Roger is one of the most genuinely nice guys in the top-end of raiding. Magnificently little ego from someone who's been at the bleeding edge for longer than pretty much anyone. I'll always stan for Roger.
@@chalupamatej I don't think there is no money in it. Enough people are waiting for the legacy videos that this would be a prime reason to get patreon subscription to see it early. I think the biggest issue with the legacy videos is that they get outdated. I for example would love a rerun of the first legacy videos updated to modern times. Ghosty missing is another issue...
Hey Preach, I hope you make more of these in the future, it’s incredibly interesting and really good for the nostalgia to hear you guys talk about past raids. There’s such a difference to hearing people who actually know and remember what was going on compared to average Joes with rose tinted goggles.
Paragon had more style than any guild ever, no disrespect intended to Roger or Method. paragon was just something on another level. Go watch Paragons Mythic Archimonde kill from hfc, that shit was art
Please do more interviews like this! With other people and also bring Rogerbrown back on. Personally I don’t mind that it’s long at all. You could go on for four hours and that would be fine as long as that’s the length you’d need to cover what you wanted. More more more!
I don't play WOW anymore and haven't for a very long time now. I, however, always keep up with the channel and watch mostly all of your content. This video and these discussions with such experienced players are a real treat. I could listen to these podcast-style stories for hours. A+++ Keep up the good work bro.
what a great video, i love these! thanks for hosting these chats mike. just hearing from top raider's perpectives on thesefights is really interesting, i feel like they could make a documentary every RWF at this point.
I watched this because it auto-played after the previous video otherwise I prob wouldn't have watched it. Absolutely LOVED it. This was a GREAT interview :)
48:00 the buff was actually an extention of frenzied regeneration which back then was a huge heal cooldown that basically made your tank top the healing done. It was probably twice as strong as tranq. fucking loved that shit lol
Roger is such a lovable guy. So glad echo had been able to recover from the bs method leadership put them through. Wishing him and scripe and everyone else in echo all the best!
They were all raiding with Josh. If Sco knew anything then they all knew it. They just decided to put everything on Sco and abandon the ship. Good to see that Method recovered as well.
@@ВиталийСозонов-ш3ш that's presumptuous as fuck. The organization that was Sco and Darrie and Sasha certainly knew but no one can say what the raiders knew. Can you prove what he knew and when?
@@birdbig6852 you would think that if the raid team knew what he and sasha and darrie knew one of the three would be throwing them under the bus. That they didnt suggests that the team really wasnt sure what was happening. Many are even on record stating that the organization leadership flat out lied to them when they asked about it including preach himself.
@@ac833 I genuinely think that nobody knew about it. Josh is smart really smart. The incel persona he had was just perfect (although it did work perfectly by mistake?). He was misogynistic and the persona gave him a background for his displays, and criticism reinforced this belief. In fact he wasn't a incel at all, he fouled over 10k viewers daily but his haters were the ones who made his lies believable. That's my take.
I'd loooove it if you did this with Xenophics from Paragon, pretty please! I'm sure she'd be up for it and lots of people would find her pov interesting.
Would love to see an interview with stars if you do get ahold of them, not often you get to hear from the chinese side of wow, they are almost a kind of enigma, I mean alot of game things are even diffrent, like now they get points for killing bosses in naxx on classic, which they can use on pets and they get flasks and whatever, not to mention how rmt is thought of in the chinese scene, would be a really interesting guild to hear from.
hunter could also do the conveyor on demand, but it was harder to do because the timing only worked if you used the lauching backward ability at almost max jumping height fromt he pipe, i did that a lot that tier lol. i don't think it was that bad of an exploit, definitley not cool for competative progression, but definitley useful for pugs to be a hunter that could just do that mechanic solo :P.
The one and only greek god, fav episode so far please get Yliajo Fraggi or even Xenophics in too ;) Maybe also bring Roger back to talk a bit more about MoP and beyond bosses since you kind of skimmed over those and focused mostly on Blast Furnance who most players dont really like as mch as you
yea but thats a bit of a different scenario because denathrius was so easy after slg whereas blackhand itself was also super difficult (I say easy while being 0/10 heroic but I just mean compared to the difficulty of other mythic bosses going off of pull count)
@@OATMEALDOOM the reason sire had so few pulls, is that they didn’t really get that much time on him in the first reset. So unlike other end bosses where they do a bunch of pulls with only minimal gear, the bulk of their progress was during the second week with a bunch more gear.
hello Roger, this is Saraswati from The Defiance on Vashj. Verve was server first, we were 2nd or 3rd on alliance at the end of Vanilla.. Illuminati was server second and horde first... :) Φιλάκια
Hey man, I remember you - some names just stick to your head even after 10+ years. Verve was a lot better than any alliance guild. I remember I was thinking that if I want to push higher I would have to make a new hunter on horde side, but preferred to stay Alliance. On the side of Alliance it was Crusaders of Alliance (with legendary MT Atilla), but when the guild broke up at the end of Vanilla a lot of us went to the Defiance. Afterwards in TBC I joined the Aunans which ended up being the best guild until Wotlk when I left and joined Method. I also remember mid TBC there was a guild I joined for SSC/TK which was supposed to be really good (the name Comaconcilio is what pops in my head, he was a priest), but I had to stop playing WoW for 8 months for my last year of high school exams. Good times :)
As a Russian, I did not understand why Exorsus was ignored. more precisely 2 tiers of raid progression. Not like it was a point of video. it was very interesting to find out what was there from the method side. Maybe i dont know about some drama. Russian may be toxic
been some time since this video released, but the seigecrafter fight lol, there was some truely funny cheese you could do there, right on the corner of the platform there was a little notch where if you stood down inside it, the saw blade thing would just disappear through the floor so what you could do is to have everyone in melee range, and have one ranged stand on that pot and just delete the entire mechanic. funny boss, never used that exploit in a fight, but me and a couple of mates did use it and another exploit to almost 3 man that fight on heroic before mythic was released ofc, basically the trick to get onto the conveyor belt by jumping and doing the hunter thing also allowed you to get out of the arena and range tank the boss without taking damage, so with 3 people, you could do that fight with almost no damage taken and no difficult mechanics left to deal with which is funny. never got a kill that way, because exploiting is like cheating away the main fun of the game.
@@Crotes1990 It was never a big secret that Sco was salty back in the day. It was a meme even. Nowadays he's very chill, their raids are live streamed with comms on aswell. You're just looking for a reason to hate on Sco and Method.
Ghosty needs a legacy appearance. Love ya preach but the duo will not be forgotten. P.S. long videos work for most these days, drama time needs to double imo. Use the skills you got, and you can talk while keeping it interesting. You tube works off time watched now right?
It’s amazing, the ignorant will believe what fits their narrative, regardless of facts. Just admit you know nothing about what was happening in the guild at the time, (although you seem to think that you do), you don’t like RB so you try to make him out to be a degenerate. I think it comes down to jealousy that you are at best mediocre, and/or a Limit fan boy (nothing wrong with preferring Limit) but don’t pretend that Limit are all saints and Method/Echo are all evil, you just come across as an opinionated idiot.
Yeah, those issues were down to the leadership. It's the same as any other job: if there're problem with someone and management says they've got it covered, you get over your unease about the situation, convince yourself management really did take care of the problem, and get on with doing your job. That's just human nature. Look at it from a workplace perspective: we all have to put up with the shitty co-worker, we all have to hope management does something because we're there to do our jobs, not to manage people, we're all disappointed when the shit co-worker doesn't change, but we need the money, it's not easy finding another job, so we put our heads down, put up with it, and hope it's not as bad as we think it is. Then it literally turns into the Missing Stair problem: easy to deal with when everyone knows it's (not) there, but an absolute shocker for someone who doesn't. Like raiders want to do raiding things and want to do it at the highest level - at the time, Method was THE dominant guild not in Europe, but the world. For a WOW nerd and raider, that's where they wanted to be. They don't want to change guilds, they don't want to rock the boat (much less sink it), they don't want to worry about logistics, they want to be competitive, they want to be in a team of equally competent and obsessed raiders, they want to be World First, and if there's a problem, it's Sco's problem, not theirs. Blaming the raiders for stuff that happened at Method is like accusing Chik Fil-A employees of being homophobes just because they work there. Gutless? Sure, why not. Enabler? Doubtful. At worst, he willfully ignored the problem until it got too big to deal with, but it's certainly not his fault that the problem remained there in the first place.
Roger is one of the most genuinely nice guys in the top-end of raiding. Magnificently little ego from someone who's been at the bleeding edge for longer than pretty much anyone. I'll always stan for Roger.
Rogerbrown really is a Legend of WoW. Really great chat/interview Preach.
Wait, Roger didn't dc once during the interview? Impressive from a Greek.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
i am greek, and still wonder how he managed to do this. (expecting a guide on howw not to dc)
This reminds me of Preach's storytime videos that I listened to like 10 times while leveling
So after you talked to a legendary hunter maybe it's time for Legacy of the Hunter? wink wink
Legacy of the huntard :P ? (ofc im joking)
I'm afraid that Preach isn't doing a legacy vid anymore. No money in it, and with Ghosty gone, I can't see it happening
@@chalupamatej I don't think there is no money in it. Enough people are waiting for the legacy videos that this would be a prime reason to get patreon subscription to see it early.
I think the biggest issue with the legacy videos is that they get outdated. I for example would love a rerun of the first legacy videos updated to modern times.
Ghosty missing is another issue...
@@Trashloot Well that might be true, who knows. I still hope legacies would come back, but...
@@chalupamatej he has said many times that there is a legacy in the works it just takes a long time and its not his main focus right now
Roger 😍
I love these series. Keep up the good work
Great talk guys, I've always liked Roger, he seems like a super cool guy :)
Hey Preach, I hope you make more of these in the future, it’s incredibly interesting and really good for the nostalgia to hear you guys talk about past raids. There’s such a difference to hearing people who actually know and remember what was going on compared to average Joes with rose tinted goggles.
He kinda looks like great value Tom Brady
Why must you torment me so?
Paragon had more style than any guild ever, no disrespect intended to Roger or Method. paragon was just something on another level. Go watch Paragons Mythic Archimonde kill from hfc, that shit was art
still not world first lol
Clicky it’s not about world first in this manner.
Roger is just a great player and very sympathetic guy. Absolute legend.
absolutely an amazing interview, was interested the whole time honestly.
I'd love to hear from one of the Paragon guys. Imo, they're the goats of the game.
These videos are so good. I cant describe how much i love this series. Oh and all the memories which this series brings back.
Please do more interviews like this! With other people and also bring Rogerbrown back on. Personally I don’t mind that it’s long at all. You could go on for four hours and that would be fine as long as that’s the length you’d need to cover what you wanted. More more more!
I don't play WOW anymore and haven't for a very long time now. I, however, always keep up with the channel and watch mostly all of your content. This video and these discussions with such experienced players are a real treat. I could listen to these podcast-style stories for hours. A+++ Keep up the good work bro.
what a great video, i love these! thanks for hosting these chats mike. just hearing from top raider's perpectives on thesefights is really interesting, i feel like they could make a documentary every RWF at this point.
It's always such a joy to listen to Rogerbrown. he's alwys so joyful and has so much knownledge of the game
Roger is definition of perfect raider in WOW for me... he is CALM always using brain
he is LEGEND and for me he is ROLE MODEL in WOW
I watched this because it auto-played after the previous video otherwise I prob wouldn't have watched it. Absolutely LOVED it. This was a GREAT interview :)
loved this chat, thank you
I really like this series Preach, keep it up!
I enjoyed listening to you guys! Thanks a lot!
an inspiration for all hunters-my hero
48:00 the buff was actually an extention of frenzied regeneration which back then was a huge heal cooldown that basically made your tank top the healing done. It was probably twice as strong as tranq. fucking loved that shit lol
This was really good Preach!
really liked this! would love to see more. almost like a podcast or something
This should have been part 1 man!
You Have to do an other 2hours session for Part 2
So the the elephant in the room, how are you really?
Barrage, multishot what's more to its legacy?
Absolutely love this stuff Preacher - You and Roger make for a great conversation. Would like to see/hear more of exactly this :)
Roger is such a lovable guy. So glad echo had been able to recover from the bs method leadership put them through. Wishing him and scripe and everyone else in echo all the best!
They were all raiding with Josh. If Sco knew anything then they all knew it. They just decided to put everything on Sco and abandon the ship. Good to see that Method recovered as well.
@@ВиталийСозонов-ш3ш that's presumptuous as fuck. The organization that was Sco and Darrie and Sasha certainly knew but no one can say what the raiders knew. Can you prove what he knew and when?
My bet is they used the Josh drama to make their own org. Looks like Sco was putting Method before world first but we will never know.
@@birdbig6852 you would think that if the raid team knew what he and sasha and darrie knew one of the three would be throwing them under the bus. That they didnt suggests that the team really wasnt sure what was happening. Many are even on record stating that the organization leadership flat out lied to them when they asked about it including preach himself.
@@ac833 I genuinely think that nobody knew about it. Josh is smart really smart. The incel persona he had was just perfect (although it did work perfectly by mistake?). He was misogynistic and the persona gave him a background for his displays, and criticism reinforced this belief.
In fact he wasn't a incel at all, he fouled over 10k viewers daily but his haters were the ones who made his lies believable.
That's my take.
some greece represent, γεια σου ρε φιλε !
great talk, one of the best vids in a long time imho. more of this please ;)
I never knew that you played with Method (and on multiple times).
This interview is so great!
He has a whole video talking about it, forgot the title
One guy id love to see you interview would be Sparkuggz, the grandaddy warlock.
I need this to happen!
very nice conversation, looking forward to hear more about/from rogerbrown
This was fantastic! I would love to hear more about Kil'jaeden and Antorus and the BFA raids!
Awesome, and yes make more please. Roger is have so Many storys
Was super fun; Roger is a very entertaining dude
I've never clicked on something so fast!
I'd loooove it if you did this with Xenophics from Paragon, pretty please! I'm sure she'd be up for it and lots of people would find her pov interesting.
Seita would be the most interesting.
Roger is pretty fun to hear, hopefully we'll have the podcast for Archimonde :crossfingers:
would be amazing to show the actual boss fights in the background when talking about it :)
I would love a pt2 of this!
Would love to see an interview with stars if you do get ahold of them, not often you get to hear from the chinese side of wow, they are almost a kind of enigma, I mean alot of game things are even diffrent, like now they get points for killing bosses in naxx on classic, which they can use on pets and they get flasks and whatever, not to mention how rmt is thought of in the chinese scene, would be a really interesting guild to hear from.
He sounds like my TBC raid leader! I miss him.
Are you related to him?
We want more rogerbrown!
hunter could also do the conveyor on demand, but it was harder to do because the timing only worked if you used the lauching backward ability at almost max jumping height fromt he pipe, i did that a lot that tier lol. i don't think it was that bad of an exploit, definitley not cool for competative progression, but definitley useful for pugs to be a hunter that could just do that mechanic solo :P.
LOVED IT!
The one and only greek god, fav episode so far
please get Yliajo Fraggi or even Xenophics in too ;)
Maybe also bring Roger back to talk a bit more about MoP and beyond bosses since you kind of skimmed over those and focused mostly on Blast Furnance who most players dont really like as mch as you
You should upload these to podcast platforms, so can listen to from there.
Roger: “Never have only 3 guilds been progressing the last boss when world first is achieved”
Denathrius: “hold my beer”
only 2 were
yea but thats a bit of a different scenario because denathrius was so easy after slg whereas blackhand itself was also super difficult (I say easy while being 0/10 heroic but I just mean compared to the difficulty of other mythic bosses going off of pull count)
@@OATMEALDOOM the reason sire had so few pulls, is that they didn’t really get that much time on him in the first reset. So unlike other end bosses where they do a bunch of pulls with only minimal gear, the bulk of their progress was during the second week with a bunch more gear.
@@Epicmission48 Another big thing was the boss actually worked unlike most end bosses who they put like 100 pulls into before Blizzard fixes it.
hello Roger, this is Saraswati from The Defiance on Vashj. Verve was server first, we were 2nd or 3rd on alliance at the end of Vanilla.. Illuminati was server second and horde first... :)
Φιλάκια
Hey man, I remember you - some names just stick to your head even after 10+ years. Verve was a lot better than any alliance guild. I remember I was thinking that if I want to push higher I would have to make a new hunter on horde side, but preferred to stay Alliance. On the side of Alliance it was Crusaders of Alliance (with legendary MT Atilla), but when the guild broke up at the end of Vanilla a lot of us went to the Defiance. Afterwards in TBC I joined the Aunans which ended up being the best guild until Wotlk when I left and joined Method. I also remember mid TBC there was a guild I joined for SSC/TK which was supposed to be really good (the name Comaconcilio is what pops in my head, he was a priest), but I had to stop playing WoW for 8 months for my last year of high school exams. Good times :)
@@RogerBrownWoW Yep, btw I am still playing with Comaconcilio and a lot of other ex Vashj players on Razorgore classic server :)
This type of videos are awesome keep doing them want to hear different people's story!
Love this content as a raider. keep it up, also have boss-videos shown in the background?
Wow, please do more videos like this!
He's done a few with other high level players recently, in case you missed them. They're all pretty good and interesting if you follow raiding
@@theparadisesnare I must have missed them, will go back and look, thanks!
Please do an Archimonde talk with roger!
Why nothing about FIRELAND ☹️☹️
As a Russian, I did not understand why Exorsus was ignored.
more precisely 2 tiers of raid progression. Not like it was a point of video.
it was very interesting to find out what was there from the method side. Maybe i dont know about some drama. Russian may be toxic
ignored for what?
@@Freestyle80 i dont know at least some jokes about russian rushers night palace raid is coll why just no mention/ idont understand
@@ЕвгенийЩабло meh they dont understand how it works anyway lol
Hey preach thx for content but can you pls put time tracker for different topics in video description pls thanks
"have a nice...uhh..day"
been some time since this video released, but the seigecrafter fight lol, there was some truely funny cheese you could do there, right on the corner of the platform there was a little notch where if you stood down inside it, the saw blade thing would just disappear through the floor so what you could do is to have everyone in melee range, and have one ranged stand on that pot and just delete the entire mechanic. funny boss, never used that exploit in a fight, but me and a couple of mates did use it and another exploit to almost 3 man that fight on heroic before mythic was released ofc, basically the trick to get onto the conveyor belt by jumping and doing the hunter thing also allowed you to get out of the arena and range tank the boss without taking damage, so with 3 people, you could do that fight with almost no damage taken and no difficult mechanics left to deal with which is funny. never got a kill that way, because exploiting is like cheating away the main fun of the game.
love it
I didn't know that preach was in method
i was here for Rogerbrown this Preach ended up talking about him self the whole interview
Sooooooooooooo like are the Legacy videos dead forever now?
Only 20 minutes into this and the narcissistic abuse that is described is just 😱😱😱
Yeah, apparently Sco didn't change at all... at least this shows where the disgusting climate in the guild originated from.
@@Socar89 Jep and im actually salty Sco managed to get a raidteam again in shadowlands
@@Crotes1990 It was never a big secret that Sco was salty back in the day. It was a meme even. Nowadays he's very chill, their raids are live streamed with comms on aswell. You're just looking for a reason to hate on Sco and Method.
Ela malaka mou!
Imagine if they just didnt go horde
Wowmatrix for the win
good stuff
Ghosty needs a legacy appearance. Love ya preach but the duo will not be forgotten. P.S. long videos work for most these days, drama time needs to double imo. Use the skills you got, and you can talk while keeping it interesting. You tube works off time watched now right?
An interview where the interviewer talks more than the interviewee!!??
Hi
LFR banwave \o/
Missed a chance to ask him more about the child rapes taking place in his last guild and if he knew\participated in them.
Amazing that he managed to not say the n-word once during the whole interview!
I’m early
7th!
Mike is getting very lazy with the Legacy videos... he promised a few more like 2 years ago and still non....
That's the guys who ran for cover at the first sight of trouble at Method? And now acts as if he got out clean? Hard pass.
What are you talking about?
Get off your high horse, fool.
It’s amazing, the ignorant will believe what fits their narrative, regardless of facts. Just admit you know nothing about what was happening in the guild at the time, (although you seem to think that you do), you don’t like RB so you try to make him out to be a degenerate. I think it comes down to jealousy that you are at best mediocre, and/or a Limit fan boy (nothing wrong with preferring Limit) but don’t pretend that Limit are all saints and Method/Echo are all evil, you just come across as an opinionated idiot.
Yeah, those issues were down to the leadership. It's the same as any other job: if there're problem with someone and management says they've got it covered, you get over your unease about the situation, convince yourself management really did take care of the problem, and get on with doing your job. That's just human nature. Look at it from a workplace perspective: we all have to put up with the shitty co-worker, we all have to hope management does something because we're there to do our jobs, not to manage people, we're all disappointed when the shit co-worker doesn't change, but we need the money, it's not easy finding another job, so we put our heads down, put up with it, and hope it's not as bad as we think it is. Then it literally turns into the Missing Stair problem: easy to deal with when everyone knows it's (not) there, but an absolute shocker for someone who doesn't.
Like raiders want to do raiding things and want to do it at the highest level - at the time, Method was THE dominant guild not in Europe, but the world. For a WOW nerd and raider, that's where they wanted to be. They don't want to change guilds, they don't want to rock the boat (much less sink it), they don't want to worry about logistics, they want to be competitive, they want to be in a team of equally competent and obsessed raiders, they want to be World First, and if there's a problem, it's Sco's problem, not theirs.
Blaming the raiders for stuff that happened at Method is like accusing Chik Fil-A employees of being homophobes just because they work there. Gutless? Sure, why not. Enabler? Doubtful. At worst, he willfully ignored the problem until it got too big to deal with, but it's certainly not his fault that the problem remained there in the first place.
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