I like the way this is programmed for a beginner to understand, very simple order of operations. Just because you have a 5 axis doesnt mean you need to have simultaneous movement for everything.
Love this channel! I use the HAAS UMC750, VF4 and TM1 so your videos relate incredibly. Whats the step over on the vortex roughing paths? Cant beleive the cutter isnt gumming using only air.
The Probing on this Part seems just so ridicilous to me. I work on GF and Hermle five axis mill's with a heidenhain control and renishaw probes. If we touch off second OP's we do it with the A-axis to -90° so that we can avoid the "Hat". It's really easy to program and also suitable for production.
it's really cool how similar this is to setting up my dnm500. I'm sure there's alot more that goes into it, but I feel like I could jump on a 5 axis and not completely suck at it.
Only additional thing to watch out for is making sure your spindle clears the table when the table rotates. Using the probe to automatically set C0 is way easier than indicating everything
When I use Renishaw probe, if I need to add an offset I do it in the ''advanced'' tab there is a place for offset there. So it You can automatically add the half of your part there, without doing it manually in the offset tab.
Can you go into detail about the relationship between the X Y and Z work offsets you are telling the machine, and the dynamic work offsets that are allowing the simultaneous 5 axis movements? Is that all in the mastercam post processor? We have a 5 axis mazak at work, but don't have a 5 axis post processor for mastercam. So I can only do 3+2 and I have set each WO individually, and do manual B and C axis inputs. Help me understand the DWO process. Thanks!
Typically, the machine tracks that single work coordinate no matter how your part rotates. The axes always stay oriented in line with your spindle. The machine coordinates in your program for full 5 axis moves are in reference to this single point and are no different than 3 axis coordinates, except they include a B&C along with XYZ. This gets super complicated to do by hand and yes, you will definitely need a 5 axis post from your mcam reseller to take advantage of this. If you're doing 3+2 with your current post, try programming all planes off a single point. We had to do something like this with our old post. Your WCS should remain where your initial pickup is, then make your toolplane where you normally would and orient it properly, then take your toolplane and translate it to the same point in space as your WCS. You should no longer have to pick up more than one WO in the machine, unless your post cannot handle B & C rotations properly. Be sure to set all Tplanes to the same number as your WCS. Better 5 axis posts don't need this because they can handle a datum shift, so they don't care where you put your planes, as long as Z is correct.
I've had this question for a while. When doing the roughing on this part, the 201, and other parts like it, why would you want to rotate C0, C180, and then go back to the other sides? Wouldn't it be better and more efficient to just rotate C0, C90, C180, C270 since you are going to cut all the sides anyways?
I can hear some chatter when cutting the "head" area. I'm wondering if it would be smarter to cut around the head area first and the work towards the base to reduce chatter. That "neck" thing seems like a weak point. Maybe it doesn't really matter or maybe I'm just wrong?
the confusion i have about 5 axis is the correlation between work coordinateZ0 and center of rotation of the 5th axis and how it works. If your part is sitting further closer from center of rotation, wouldn't your absolute positions be totally different when at different angles?
How long until the new Mastercam fundimentals series comes out. Im trying to follow the Titan building blocks series, but they are a few years old, and there have been some changes. Also, does anyone know why when i got to make my edge selection to program my finishing pass, I can't select the edges? Everything is set like it's supposed to be, but I literally just can't select it. Thanks in advance
I just don't understand why you probe x-axis with 123block and don't use single point probe with part at rotated b-axis like you probe y-axis I work at 3 Axis mill and i'm just curious, there is probing limitations with probing like this?
As a lathe guy and apprentice who has ran a few operations successfully on a 3 axis mill in my apprenticeship, I’m taking a shot in the dark here but maybe it’s because to get to your b axis you have to rotate along your a and c axis? Maybe since there are more moving parts to this type of touch off, it’s just more for piece of mind to touch off on a 123 block. I do reserve the right to be wrong, especially on this lol.
The probing in this video is ridicilous to me... In our shop, we probe at A -90° all the time for second OP's like this. (Hermle and GF mills) We have the cimco cycle probing addon in Mastercam and Heidenhain controls. But it works just fine without cimco probing. You could also set the C-Axis rotation automatically at A -90° so you dont need an indicator. Then X and Y (also A-90°). Either X at C0° with two points, then Y single point (Compensate for part dimension) or X at C0° two points and Y at C90° with two points. Probing in this way is very reliable and also suitable for general jobshop work (300+ Parts)
there's a little 5 axis movement towards the end. This part/ video is just a stepping stone to learning more complex 5 axis. Titan has a completely free 5 axis academy that progresses in difficulty for each part
Mainly 3 axis Z level roughing and positional work really. Nice, pretty easily programmed and works...just not the most efficient method. Depending on your machine though, this, may be the most rigid method to rough your part. Some machines, especially older machines, are more productive with the rotary axis clamped. Pretty modern machines, with the hyper-cycloidal rotary drives, (or whatever they call them😂) ate claimed to be as rigid when cutting as when clamped.
Man, what kind of time wasting program is this nonsense? At start tool walks backwards then starts another cut line? I would have run a Hog mill and got that material outta there. Then either a bull nose or a ball mill. One last thing, where did you learn the bad habit of clicking the torque wrench 2-3 times. Every course and on the AMSE tests specifically call out to never click more than 1 x and always unload the tension in a torque wrench. I have been a CNC Machinist 42+ yrs, and DON’T know everything. I do not claim to be an ‘expert’ but I am very good at what I do. And I can run about all types of conventional equipment too.
Because centering vises aren't perfect. So when you flip the part for op 2 it may not be perfectly aligned with your wcs anymore. TCPC allows you to just measure the offset and update accordingly.
@@user-lj4xq4hm3k my only fear with that is now the part isn’t exactly where the programmer thinks it is so and machine verification to ensure crashes don’t happen might not be accurate now.
@@dylanreese4576I would expand the dimensions of the vice or just create planes to mimic vice location. Just make sure the Z pickup is bang on and should be good.
@@urban625 we have precision plates with pin holes so the vises located in the machine exactly where the programmer expects them to be. This is also way faster as the operator doesn’t have to indicate the vise at all.
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I like the way this is programmed for a beginner to understand, very simple order of operations. Just because you have a 5 axis doesnt mean you need to have simultaneous movement for everything.
3 + 2 is way more practical, I agree.
Excellent tutorial, Jessie! I'm looking forward to seeing more like this!
Love this channel! I use the HAAS UMC750, VF4 and TM1 so your videos relate incredibly.
Whats the step over on the vortex roughing paths? Cant beleive the cutter isnt gumming using only air.
This is my favorite video by far. More please
You can use long shaft with hole on it for dial indicator, we called it L-shape leg with dial indicator
3:25
It’s faster and without replace
The Probing on this Part seems just so ridicilous to me. I work on GF and Hermle five axis mill's with a heidenhain control and renishaw probes. If we touch off second OP's we do it with the A-axis to -90° so that we can avoid the "Hat". It's really easy to program and also suitable for production.
Need to look into barrel milling cutters...that will increase your step over and lessen your scallops
Great tutorial to start getting into 5 axis, Jessie👏
These are amazing please keep them coming!
it's really cool how similar this is to setting up my dnm500. I'm sure there's alot more that goes into it, but I feel like I could jump on a 5 axis and not completely suck at it.
Only additional thing to watch out for is making sure your spindle clears the table when the table rotates. Using the probe to automatically set C0 is way easier than indicating everything
You should tell Barry about that semi finish thing. I’m pretty sure they didn’t teach him about semi finishing at Walmart in his greeter seminar
Ohhhhhh i see we got JOKES
Step 1, Have a 5 axis machine :D
YES! The iconic TITAN-200 💥! My favorite part.
When I use Renishaw probe, if I need to add an offset I do it in the ''advanced'' tab there is a place for offset there. So it You can automatically add the half of your part there, without doing it manually in the offset tab.
Attention to detail, Great display Jessie & BOOM to Titans 800K subs
Can you go into detail about the relationship between the X Y and Z work offsets you are telling the machine, and the dynamic work offsets that are allowing the simultaneous 5 axis movements? Is that all in the mastercam post processor? We have a 5 axis mazak at work, but don't have a 5 axis post processor for mastercam. So I can only do 3+2 and I have set each WO individually, and do manual B and C axis inputs. Help me understand the DWO process. Thanks!
Typically, the machine tracks that single work coordinate no matter how your part rotates. The axes always stay oriented in line with your spindle. The machine coordinates in your program for full 5 axis moves are in reference to this single point and are no different than 3 axis coordinates, except they include a B&C along with XYZ. This gets super complicated to do by hand and yes, you will definitely need a 5 axis post from your mcam reseller to take advantage of this.
If you're doing 3+2 with your current post, try programming all planes off a single point. We had to do something like this with our old post. Your WCS should remain where your initial pickup is, then make your toolplane where you normally would and orient it properly, then take your toolplane and translate it to the same point in space as your WCS. You should no longer have to pick up more than one WO in the machine, unless your post cannot handle B & C rotations properly. Be sure to set all Tplanes to the same number as your WCS. Better 5 axis posts don't need this because they can handle a datum shift, so they don't care where you put your planes, as long as Z is correct.
I've had this question for a while. When doing the roughing on this part, the 201, and other parts like it, why would you want to rotate C0, C180, and then go back to the other sides? Wouldn't it be better and more efficient to just rotate C0, C90, C180, C270 since you are going to cut all the sides anyways?
Now do a ball in a box on a 5 axis!!
A video on tilted work planes and probing macros would be cool.
I would rough machine the head/top first on both sides, then go rough the bottom portion. It almost started to chatter in the video.
Definitely...makes no sense to clear the undercut before the top lol
i like the long videos
I can hear some chatter when cutting the "head" area. I'm wondering if it would be smarter to cut around the head area first and the work towards the base to reduce chatter. That "neck" thing seems like a weak point. Maybe it doesn't really matter or maybe I'm just wrong?
He says no coolant for filming purposes. Maybe that would help? Agreed the neck is a "choke" point. 😂
CHOKE!! Haha good one!@@user-jg6bd7se8u
Can you recommen me the vices for this machine...? will be so much appreciate
the confusion i have about 5 axis is the correlation between work coordinateZ0 and center of rotation of the 5th axis and how it works. If your part is sitting further closer from center of rotation, wouldn't your absolute positions be totally different when at different angles?
My talented boy ❤
Brilliant
Seems a little backwards to remove all the supporting material before removing all the material at the end of the part.
Please explain which commands use in programming
How long until the new Mastercam fundimentals series comes out. Im trying to follow the Titan building blocks series, but they are a few years old, and there have been some changes. Also, does anyone know why when i got to make my edge selection to program my finishing pass, I can't select the edges? Everything is set like it's supposed to be, but I literally just can't select it. Thanks in advance
Imagine if someone made mcd inserts for that facemill ohh what a finish that would be
My need a job. I am a lathe operator. I like titan c n c
how do I get one of your shirts?
Why not just use a G10 for the Centre of your vices only ever need to pick up on z0
Anybody know has DWO and TCPC that machine?
I just don't understand why you probe x-axis with 123block and don't use single point probe with part at rotated b-axis like you probe y-axis
I work at 3 Axis mill and i'm just curious, there is probing limitations with probing like this?
As a lathe guy and apprentice who has ran a few operations successfully on a 3 axis mill in my apprenticeship, I’m taking a shot in the dark here but maybe it’s because to get to your b axis you have to rotate along your a and c axis? Maybe since there are more moving parts to this type of touch off, it’s just more for piece of mind to touch off on a 123 block. I do reserve the right to be wrong, especially on this lol.
The probing in this video is ridicilous to me...
In our shop, we probe at A -90° all the time for second OP's like this. (Hermle and GF mills) We have the cimco cycle probing addon in Mastercam and Heidenhain controls. But it works just fine without cimco probing.
You could also set the C-Axis rotation automatically at A -90° so you dont need an indicator. Then X and Y (also A-90°). Either X at C0° with two points, then Y single point (Compensate for part dimension) or X at C0° two points and Y at C90° with two points.
Probing in this way is very reliable and also suitable for general jobshop work (300+ Parts)
5 Axis Parts? Or Parts on a 5 axis machine?
there's a little 5 axis movement towards the end. This part/ video is just a stepping stone to learning more complex 5 axis. Titan has a completely free 5 axis academy that progresses in difficulty for each part
Both? That's just a shorter way of saying it
Parts that require 5-axis machining
Mainly 3 axis Z level roughing and positional work really. Nice, pretty easily programmed and works...just not the most efficient method. Depending on your machine though, this, may be the most rigid method to rough your part. Some machines, especially older machines, are more productive with the rotary axis clamped. Pretty modern machines, with the hyper-cycloidal rotary drives, (or whatever they call them😂) ate claimed to be as rigid when cutting as when clamped.
should i send you difficult part for video ...
so we can make
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Strategicaly not the best option with that ruffing-order. I wouldve ruffed out the ball form both sides and after that the pyramide.
To me this is not for the 5axis machine... This could be done on 4.5 Axis or even 4 axis itself :)
no one is trying to take your job don't confuse people mate!
where's the 5axis Syil machine?
Man, what kind of time wasting program is this nonsense? At start tool walks backwards then starts another cut line? I would have run a Hog mill and got that material outta there. Then either a bull nose or a ball mill. One last thing, where did you learn the bad habit of clicking the torque wrench 2-3 times. Every course and on the AMSE tests specifically call out to never click more than 1 x and always unload the tension in a torque wrench. I have been a CNC Machinist 42+ yrs, and DON’T know everything. I do not claim to be an ‘expert’ but I am very good at what I do. And I can run about all types of conventional equipment too.
Why don't yall just program off center of rotation?
Because centering vises aren't perfect. So when you flip the part for op 2 it may not be perfectly aligned with your wcs anymore. TCPC allows you to just measure the offset and update accordingly.
@@user-lj4xq4hm3k my only fear with that is now the part isn’t exactly where the programmer thinks it is so and machine verification to ensure crashes don’t happen might not be accurate now.
@@dylanreese4576I would expand the dimensions of the vice or just create planes to mimic vice location. Just make sure the Z pickup is bang on and should be good.
@@dylanreese4576one of the reasons why I prefer FCS lol
@@urban625 we have precision plates with pin holes so the vises located in the machine exactly where the programmer expects them to be. This is also way faster as the operator doesn’t have to indicate the vise at all.
How badly do you wear your tooling by not using coolant for our viewing sake? Thank you, but ouch for your beautiful machine!
Looks like they blast air...no way these rough paths would make it through that far without gumming up.
Try to make one of this in a lathe....this is made in a Traub Tns30/42 from 199.....something.....
...and whitout any cad/cam software...of course....otherwise you will not be a real man/woman..