I wonder why they didnt use it on Jews, but used HCN instead. The only good thing was that Hitler hated chemical weapons and feared that everyone would use them, once one broke the tabu.
@@edi9892 Probably deemed it too costly. Nazis were crazy about budgeting these things. Human life sadly wasn't worth much back then. In some countries these days, it still isn't.
@@edi9892 War used to be a fun excercise back when all leaders where themselves soldiers. For the same reason he did not use gass weapons people also did not slaughter eachother instead they just sthrew some spears shot shome arrods did some fighting and went home afterword.
The Germans never used chemical agents in WW2 even though they had the upper hand technologically. The US brought mustard gas to Europe we know it because the ship carrying it was hit in the Italian port of Bari and the gas leaked. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_raid_on_Bari
it confused the shit out of me lol, I way like:"Dafuq? Not even in a voice channel, wtf discord?" only after going back 10 sec I realised it was the video lol
From what ive read in modern books, the symptoms can be remembered by *S.L.U.D.G.E* Salivation (slobbering) Lacrimation (watering eyes, and the resulting runny nose) Urination (Pee-ing) Defecation (pooping) Gastrointestinal Distress (stomach cramps) Emesis (vomiting) [Note that all symptoms are uncontrollable. Willingly crapping yourself is not really a symptom.] There is an extension called SLUDGEM; it adds an M for Muscle Spasms.
I remember when NBCW was covered in basic training. Somebody asked about the point of the atropine, and the instructor said it was to make you feel better about dying. If you feel an effect enough to use your atropine, you are dead already. You carried atropine so someone else can give it to your convulsing body, and hope that it will work. Nuclear, Biological, Chemical Warfare classes were unique. They were the only time that instructors were unrelentingly grim. A few years later when a Master Corporal, I did the same.
1) Actually the substances are not that sophisticated. They are basically a fundamental insecticide. Problem ist that it connects to a protein that "lifts the foot from the accellerator" in the nerveous system in a way that is irreversible. It is not sophisticated or it could not be produced by the tonnes. It is not the production as such that is complicated; but that some of those producing it might wish to live a bit longer. That is why someone like Assad and Saddam Hussein produced it: They don't care a shit about safe manufacturing. 2) Casualties against even moderately trained troops are likely to be few. The main combat effect is that it makes life very complicated for those attacked. Against an unprotected civilian population it is quite another matter as before mentioned "gentlemen" found out. As they told me at the NBC-officers course: An exercise takes 15 seconds. The major problem in training troops was to make them avoid panicing. They had the 15 second to don their protective mask - the trick was to give them sufficient routine to use the time and avoid mistakes. 3) To decontaminate is very cumbersome but basically involves taking a bath - which is mainly for psychological reasons. If you made it to the decontamination station, you probably was OK anyhow - but that is something few people want to bet their life on. That was why the Danish Forces emphasised training and decontamination on the individual level instead of putting up specialised units on a large scale. The bath would be needed anyhow, as most would likely have shit their trousers - a chemical attack does induce a certain amount of apprehension.
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This basically. I have done national service and am studying medicin and you are pretty spot on.
Also noteworthy that the Chemical Weapons Convention only bans specific substances and their precursors, and newer ones have been produced to circumvent this.
Some of the older poison gasses don't even need a precursor. And yes there is a large family of these substances and it is costoumary pharmacological practise to investigate a whole flock of closely related substances. That was how nerve agents were discovered in the first place: The chemists at Bayer were looking for an insecticide. With Tabun they found it - killed insects very nicely - and probably the staff as well: It was so excruciatingly toxic that there was no market for it - killing the costoumer is generally a bad marketing proposition.
The reason the germans did not use their gas weapons is because their leader unlike most was an actual soldier and knew what the field of battle looked like. So he did not allow of its use knowing what it would be like if he did.
Infantry Marine who held a CBRN billet. Shit is utterly terrifying and would rather run through a barrage of artillery than come close to a nerve agent.
We suffered multiple white and yellow phosphorus gas in Lebanon by the IDF, i still remember people becoming hollow in the inside and you literally could crack them as children and women burned in the inside when inhaling it
How weird??? I this vid is made and about a week later an ex Russian spy is poisoned with a nerve agent in my home town (Salisbury) hmmm what you been up to matsimus 😂
Strange how they where poisoned with "novichok" a chemical agent 8 times more deadly than sarin according to the british media and they survived. Total lies Do the math 8x deadlier than sarin!! That means all it would take is 2mg to kill you in less than 10 minutes for perspective that like the tip of a pin. So if we take the medias word for it that this was carried out by the russians how in the hell did they survive???? I cant beilive that a state sanctioned hit squad where supplied with what is most likley a failed attempt at synthesizing nerve agent
This is suddenly more relevant, given that the Russian double Agent in Salisbury has now been confirmed to haven assaulted with a form of nerve agent. Retrospectively, the descriptions given by witnesses are reminiscent of the symptoms we were told to look for, especially the twitching hand. That said, as I type this, both victims and a police officer (who was contaminated as a first responder) are all still alive. It may be that it was a botched job, but it must say something about the medical staff and their capabilities. If they can survive this long, imagine if they’d had Atropine. I too had doom and gloom friends and seniors in the army, who assumed the worst, if this happened. But it seems that this kind of attack can be survivable, given training and quick reactions. Especially, if you’re in a heightened dress category, for your IPE and have all your alarms well placed.
I had a master/teacher that once told us from when he was in the army (Around the Cold War) They got to known that if their indicator showed red or what ever it would, or if one of their follow soldiers suddenly collapsed then it is petty much too late to do anything to protect yourself against it. Chemical attacks are terrifying thing to think off. Even if it is used in war :(
Even Vx from decades ago only needs a drop smaller then a pinhead on the skin to kill in about as bad a way as is possible (IE convulsions to the point of snapping your spine for up to half an hour). Thankfully the only things that can get through an NBC suit are some gasses which would just knock you out for a few minutes and some which smell so horrible you'd be chucking your cookies 2km away (EG Tioacetone can with a single drop stink out most of a city). Thiols are another contender with some of them smelling so bad as to pretty much blind you as your brain overloads with bad smell and makes you chuck up even with anti-emetics in your system. They certainly won't kill you but after an hour or two it goes from worrying that they might kill you to worrying that they wont. I know a chemist who has been in that situation with thiols.
Most nerve agent attacks will be mixed in with AC or Blood Agents, Vomit Agents, and some CS or teargas. But mostly, nerve agents are area denial weapons. That oily chemical is difficult to wash off a vehicle. It will stay around for a long time.
as my CBRN specialist told me "you don't. you will die one of the most horrible deaths one can imagine and there's basically nothing you can do about it". many CBRN suits that are in circulation aren't effective against many chemical weapons in use.
I hated how hot the gear was, and my situational awareness went down to about 10%. Sweat running everywhere in the mask. Ugg. Oh, and four years of lugging that fucking gas mask everywhere.
try the old Soviet and Warsaw Pact kit, I used some doing opfor in the 80's - our Mk 3 NBC suits beat them hands down for comfort, ease of use, stopping you boiling - their suits were pretty much boil in the bag rubber suit.
Hello, i'm a new subscriber and love you're content. i'm 17,5 and planning on joining the army next year, because here in Sweden we have now gotten mandatory service for about 5-10k teenagers every year so there for i'm planing on volunteering. my hobbys are technology, off roading, off road vehicles and military stuff in general, there for i'm planning on becoming an engineer/mechanic/driver since that contains most of my hobbies. could you make a video on what you have get to do in service and training? (if you already have could you link it?) Greetings from Sweden!!
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Basic training involves a lot of general conditioning to get everybody on a general fitness level. Involves a lot of running and some upper body strength. Some running and pushups wouldn't hurt. The rest depends on your future training. I breezed through hand to hand because I'd done kickboxing and krav maga for years already, but for the rest of the people, that was just one day of training, so how much is the advantage worth?
chemical weapons don't kill very fast and are facking painful and the victim remains conscious for about a minute. Sarin Gas for example. th-cam.com/video/w3sJEbcT7IE/w-d-xo.html
I was a 54B in the US Army, in the 80s. Chemical Operations Specialist.... Detection and Decon of Nuclear Biological and Chemical weapons. During AIT, we had to do live nerve agent training. We went into a room with an old jeep that had live nerve agent on it, had to find the agent and decontaminate it. Scary shit....
I find tactical (not strategic) nuclear weapons to be more acceptable as they kill immediately and have a very different physiological effect. Tactical nuclear weapons are a weapon of shock and aw that terrify a nation and strengthen the moral of your troops, chemical weapons terrify the soldiers of both sides as they set a president for the use of more chemical weapons. They also linger in the area for much longer. Most tactical nuclear weapons fallout has a half-life of days (or millions of years, by witch point the radiation they give out is negligible), whereas chemical agents and linger for decades.
Nuclear weapons may instantly kill those within the blast radius, but a significantly higher number of people will suffer from the consequences of being exposed to radiation both through fallout/directly/consumption of contaminated food. And they/further generations will suffer for many years to come. Also contaminated areas/animals/crop can't be identified without equipment, those who enter the area will be exposed to radiation too. Nuclear weapons does the same thing as chemical weapons/mines just too a larger extent. And causes unnecessary suffering to the enemy and to civilian inevitably, the use of it can't be justified.
jamie 71171. However with modern, more efficient, tactical nuclear weapons the majority of the radioactive fallout comes in the form of isotopes with a half-life of either a few days of high intensity radioactivity that would kill almost all living things immediately and long half-life isotopes giving out low-intensity radioactivity that would have negligible health effects (other than possible heavy metal poisoning). They also give out a hell of a lot of beat radiation witch would make everyone in the immediate vicinity like soy.
stubbk3 I wasn't aware of that, that is quite horrible, who is using them? It better be no terrorist organisation or I will stock up on gas masks for my family.
Philip Millsom I just meant that, God forbid, they need to be used, the good guys have them. But I can understand your point and whole-heartedly agree.
By the way. The solution to load the German nerve agents onto ships and sink them in the oceans is backfiring today. Wasn't reported on dealiest catch until now, what fishermen can catch in the Baltic Sea.
" If you detect any of these symptoms..." Coma? The problem is, these symptoms are those taken from individuals exposed to a non-lethal dose: in war the amounts involved would be considerably higher, so all symptoms would be almost immediate. Also, an attack combining say nerve and blister agents- not unlikely (if you're going chemical, why not use what you've got)- would mean that these measures would be ineffective: atropine is ineffective against blister agents, and any exposed skin would produce the same effect in debilitation. In a chemical war, it's likely that all types would be used simulaniously where available: the effects comlement each other, with some having immediate effect on the airways and exposed skin, and others remaining on the ground for significant periods, to the extent that they're an area-denial weapon. Basically, chemical warfare is hell.
Im in the army and very recently graduated ait im a CBRN specialist in my MOS(job) training you are exposed to VX nerve agent (exposed doesnt mean inhaling it )one of my friends did not have a good seal and inhaled some of the agent and did not tell anyone and when we got back to the barracks his pupils were pinpoints, he was sweating,his hands were shaking,and had diahrrea for about 4 hours. Hes fine now but taken in large amounts like in an actual attack it would be horrible
One aspect should be mentioned: it is both a *area denial* weapon and a *logistical* attack *similar to landmines.* What I mean by that is, that they are not intended to kill but to cause as many casualties as possible and bind as many forces as possible with dealing with the wounded. In many cases the concentration of the nerve agent will not be high enough to kill within 2min, but put the victim in a critical state or at least one where he cannot perform his duty. In that case, adding atropine can cause an atropine poisoning, since the nerve agent and the atropine are antagonistic, meaning that too much will cause the opposite reaction of the body (overly simplified). AFAIK, it takes 24h supervision by medical professionals until the victim is stabilised.
BTW: regarding mustard gas: it is way less deadly so that it becomes actually unlikely that you die of it unless you suffer a direct hit. However, it will permanently injure eyes and lungs. Here a short comparison in LD50 (dose where 50% of the victims die and the rest likely becomes incapacitated) mustard gas: 64mg/kg (via skin) prussic acid: 1mg/kg (ingested) sarin: 0.6mg/kg (oral) VX: 5ug/kg (oral) Note: it's hard to get comparable data, but you can asume that the toxicity does not change it's order of magnitude when changing from ingestion to diffusion through skin. If you want to be precise, you would need to calculate the concentration in air, the time someone stays in it and calculate the uptake via lungs and skin. Both obviously depend on multiple factors like rate of breath and sweating etc. Moreover, since concentration camps and U731 are closed, we don't have any dependable data on the exact LD50 for humans. Test subjects may vary from mice to apes. However, it was found that rats are surprisingly resilient to some poisons whereas humans are very resilient towards dioxines, thus the LD50 can change by several orders of magnitude from one species to another. PS: I'm not an expert on this topic, but a chemist, who BTW, closely escaped an accident involving another chemical weapon: phosgene (used in WWI as a weapon and today as a reagent in lab)
If you get in a CBRN attack you will automatically have 30% casualties. Then if you are taking fire while donning all your gear you take another 30% so that leaves only 40% to fight and take care of the others. There is nothing like being in MOPP 4 with your full 60lbs kit in Southern California in the summer. Then moving 5km up hills and mountains.
In 13:12 of the video I then remembered that in WW2, US Army soldiers were wearing chemically impregnated clothes which were quite smelly .Such actions by the allies deterred Germany to use sarin and Sudan against them
Someone has to say it so i guess i will. " By not having a lot of nerve?" Not joining the army should help as killing unarmed/armored people with nerve agents is a fantastic waste of resources.
It's easier to have other deterrents ( logistically speaking) but super powers can afford to diversify and cover all aspects. No one would fear North Korea's possible nerve agent stockpile ( which degrades) if they didn't have artillery within range of a major South Korean city or the air force/ballistic missile force to stand a chance of dispersal.
Yes and the only thing the Tomahawk cruise missile is really very useful for is bombing defenseless civilians; going to work perfectly against those 'terrorist/russian infiltrated' secessionist movements. Don't for a moment think that the majority of Americans are not going to support their government blowing up these ' foreign backed' dupes.
@Callum Gledhill disproportionate impact on civilian life, not only during an attack, but also after the attack and even after the war, compared to the initial military objective. Chemical agents are devised to stay active a long time after dispersion in order to successfully block an area. Problem is, chemical agents can stay active even after the war under barns, under roofs, etc. - it is like living in a nuclear contaminated area, you cannot grow food, you cannot move wherever you want because of possible contamination, and you are more than certain to be contaminated to a degree (bye bye children) And I do not even talk about chemical attacks aimed at maiming civilians. It's like spreading mines with the aim to make civilian life impossible.
2:23 A weapon of suffering...oh yeah no kidding. But (I think?) itz also preetty effective against an army too, because it forces them to expend more logistics & time by not ONLY having to provide troops with proper protective equipment, but to also force them to decontaminate constantly
Its easy to see why this stuff doesn't get much use except for the really desperate. Ignoring the international backlash anyone would get for using this stuff, it still contaminates the area making it dangerous to use in an attack. Still we really need to consider finding more practical protective gear than what we have.
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"The effects of nerve agents will be demonstrated on a goat". Well there goes the monetization.
Missed pun opportunities smh "there goat the monetization"
satanistic sacrifice
There goes the monetization? more like there goes the goat
Goats are weak cowardly slaves crying about PTSD after this test - just like US soldiers in Iraq haha
Toys to nerve agents, this is the best channel
PAvel Solochiny haha!
PAvel Solochiny yeah, absolute perfection
i love how the germans tried to make bug poison, and did way too good of a job
I wonder why they didnt use it on Jews, but used HCN instead. The only good thing was that Hitler hated chemical weapons and feared that everyone would use them, once one broke the tabu.
@@edi9892 Probably deemed it too costly.
Nazis were crazy about budgeting these things. Human life sadly wasn't worth much back then.
In some countries these days, it still isn't.
@@edi9892 War used to be a fun excercise back when all leaders where themselves soldiers. For the same reason he did not use gass weapons people also did not slaughter eachother instead they just sthrew some spears shot shome arrods did some fighting and went home afterword.
@@andrewmelnikov292 These days human life is not valuable in any country.
The Germans never used chemical agents in WW2 even though they had the upper hand technologically. The US brought mustard gas to Europe we know it because the ship carrying it was hit in the Italian port of Bari and the gas leaked. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_raid_on_Bari
When Chemical weapon is used. you die, or if you unlucky one, you live through it... In both cases its hell.
Easiest way to survive. Join the Navy and hide within the NBC citadel directing Tomahawks in retaliation.
Blah b Actual work. Well that's the Air Force ruled out so Marines or Neandertha.....I mean Army.
Thinking of joining the navy in June, when I finish 12th grade :D
Yyyuuuuuup
No no no u mean the coast guard!
@@DamonMcEwan that is if you want to die by drowning or boiling. i dont know what weapons are used against ships, but probably not very fun
9:42 Discord sound caught me off guard. :D
Vasil Zahariev I was about to say... hahaha
it confused the shit out of me lol, I way like:"Dafuq? Not even in a voice channel, wtf discord?"
only after going back 10 sec I realised it was the video lol
Vasil Zahariev I had to replay that part and check all my devices for my discord 😂😂
Lol i was wacthing on my phone and heard that. I was confused man XD
same i was so confused
The modern stuff is even more terrifying. You may wonder how to survive against that and the answer is easy, you likely wont.
They also make sure the new one can go through your gas mask
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Well then hold your breath
@@DreamBeatsBakery ez
@@DreamBeatsBakery VX, the most deadly nerve gas, is absorbed through the skin. You need a bio-hazard suit.
@@livingcorpse5664 a drop the size of abes eye on the us penny is enough to kill ~30 ppl ive been told
From what ive read in modern books, the symptoms can be remembered by *S.L.U.D.G.E*
Salivation (slobbering)
Lacrimation (watering eyes, and the resulting runny nose)
Urination (Pee-ing)
Defecation (pooping)
Gastrointestinal Distress (stomach cramps)
Emesis (vomiting)
[Note that all symptoms are uncontrollable. Willingly crapping yourself is not really a symptom.]
There is an extension called SLUDGEM; it adds an M for Muscle Spasms.
R.I.P Gary the goat
you did not die in vain
PS holy shit imagine the shitstorm if they did this today
The feminist would be here
PETA*
Viorel viorel THE VEEEEEGGGAAAANNNSSSSS
All three combined equals ANTIFA
So many Gary would die
My dad worked at a veteran's hospital in England in the 1950s. He had patients there who were mustard gas casualties who had been bed ridden since WW1
-Put on your protective mask. It's the best in the world.
*puts on an M17*
I know. Feel pretty sorry for the folks that were stuck with that thing...
Márton Bévárdi great comment.
@@westongraham1030 grape
I remember when NBCW was covered in basic training. Somebody asked about the point of the atropine, and the instructor said it was to make you feel better about dying. If you feel an effect enough to use your atropine, you are dead already. You carried atropine so someone else can give it to your convulsing body, and hope that it will work.
Nuclear, Biological, Chemical Warfare classes were unique. They were the only time that instructors were unrelentingly grim. A few years later when a Master Corporal, I did the same.
If a country uses laughing gas is it still considered chemical attack?
stathisko1 Yeap same with CS.
rowsdower whats a cs?
stathisko1 tear gas.
Its classed as an Incapacitating Agent as opposed to a Lethal Agent like nerve, choking or blood agents
chaz8758 what about helium it will incapacitate both sides with the sound of their voices😀😀😀
Got to love the "and if your mission permits" part of helping your buddy get his mask on.
I subscribed thanks to your Toy Video, now there is a video on nerve agents...that's just awesome 😁
1) Actually the substances are not that sophisticated. They are basically a fundamental insecticide. Problem ist that it connects to a protein that "lifts the foot from the accellerator" in the nerveous system in a way that is irreversible. It is not sophisticated or it could not be produced by the tonnes.
It is not the production as such that is complicated; but that some of those producing it might wish to live a bit longer. That is why someone like Assad and Saddam Hussein produced it: They don't care a shit about safe manufacturing.
2) Casualties against even moderately trained troops are likely to be few. The main combat effect is that it makes life very complicated for those attacked. Against an unprotected civilian population it is quite another matter as before mentioned "gentlemen" found out. As they told me at the NBC-officers course: An exercise takes 15 seconds. The major problem in training troops was to make them avoid panicing. They had the 15 second to don their protective mask - the trick was to give them sufficient routine to use the time and avoid mistakes.
3) To decontaminate is very cumbersome but basically involves taking a bath - which is mainly for psychological reasons. If you made it to the decontamination station, you probably was OK anyhow - but that is something few people want to bet their life on.
That was why the Danish Forces emphasised training and decontamination on the individual level instead of putting up specialised units on a large scale. The bath would be needed anyhow, as most would likely have shit their trousers - a chemical attack does induce a certain amount of apprehension.
This basically. I have done national service and am studying medicin and you are pretty spot on.
Vx is a very good example of this.
Also noteworthy that the Chemical Weapons Convention only bans specific substances and their precursors, and newer ones have been produced to circumvent this.
US supplied Saddam’s chemical weapon arsenal during the Iran-Iraq war.
Some of the older poison gasses don't even need a precursor. And yes there is a large family of these substances and it is costoumary pharmacological practise to investigate a whole flock of closely related substances. That was how nerve agents were discovered in the first place: The chemists at Bayer were looking for an insecticide. With Tabun they found it - killed insects very nicely - and probably the staff as well: It was so excruciatingly toxic that there was no market for it - killing the costoumer is generally a bad marketing proposition.
Rip goat id like to say a few words
Ahhhem " Garry the goat was a brave and fine goat he died for our entrainment and for that I salute him
Press F to pay respects
Imagine the goat today the controversy would be so bad
I still dont understand why that was necessary. Could have used some other unhealthy animal that needed to be put down. the goat looked healthy.
An unhealthy animal wouldn't suffer less...
@@teru797 goats health wasn't a priority. And to save human lives, one goat is not a bad sacrifice
@@MultiZirkon But it would need to be put out of its misery anyways.
@@ЈованИвановић Could have used another animal we kill a lot of like idk pig or something.
How do you survive a Nerve Agent attack? you dont
Nbc suit and respirator
Pray to your god that wind pushes it away.
rip goat.
How to survive?
Atropine. Lots & lots of Atropine.
The reason the germans did not use their gas weapons is because their leader unlike most was an actual soldier and knew what the field of battle looked like. So he did not allow of its use knowing what it would be like if he did.
Infantry Marine who held a CBRN billet. Shit is utterly terrifying and would rather run through a barrage of artillery than come close to a nerve agent.
Nooooo the goat!
Noooo it died now I’m sad 😞
Jamaz Zames that was fuckeddddd
We suffered multiple white and yellow phosphorus gas in Lebanon by the IDF, i still remember people becoming hollow in the inside and you literally could crack them as children and women burned in the inside when inhaling it
R.I.P Gary the Goat
Shoutout to the goat for taking one for the team lmao
the bit about the injections made my legs sore
How weird??? I this vid is made and about a week later an ex Russian spy is poisoned with a nerve agent in my home town (Salisbury) hmmm what you been up to matsimus 😂
Daniel Norris lol now now
Daniel Norris yeah as soon as I saw that the ex Ruskie spy was poisoned I thought how ironic
It seems we should be really worried who is among subscribers and got inspired... ;)
I live in Salisbury
Strange how they where poisoned with "novichok" a chemical agent 8 times more deadly than sarin according to the british media and they survived. Total lies
Do the math 8x deadlier than sarin!! That means all it would take is 2mg to kill you in less than 10 minutes for perspective that like the tip of a pin. So if we take the medias word for it that this was carried out by the russians how in the hell did they survive???? I cant beilive that a state sanctioned hit squad where supplied with what is most likley a failed attempt at synthesizing nerve agent
Harsh reality I hope no soldier has to face, good vid and one hell of a reality check
Subscribing to this channel has Definitely been one of the best decisions I have made on the internet.
DRAGON OF THE WEST well thank you good sir 👍 I’m glad
This is suddenly more relevant, given that the Russian double Agent in Salisbury has now been confirmed to haven assaulted with a form of nerve agent. Retrospectively, the descriptions given by witnesses are reminiscent of the symptoms we were told to look for, especially the twitching hand.
That said, as I type this, both victims and a police officer (who was contaminated as a first responder) are all still alive. It may be that it was a botched job, but it must say something about the medical staff and their capabilities.
If they can survive this long, imagine if they’d had Atropine.
I too had doom and gloom friends and seniors in the army, who assumed the worst, if this happened. But it seems that this kind of attack can be survivable, given training and quick reactions.
Especially, if you’re in a heightened dress category, for your IPE and have all your alarms well placed.
With spicy air warfare is all a game of what ifs, training and kit. RIP goat bro
Porbe probe Billy goat
I had a master/teacher that once told us from when he was in the army (Around the Cold War) They got to known that if their indicator showed red or what ever it would, or if one of their follow soldiers suddenly collapsed then it is petty much too late to do anything to protect yourself against it. Chemical attacks are terrifying thing to think off. Even if it is used in war :(
"Your protective mask is the best in the world"
*has cheek filters*
Even Vx from decades ago only needs a drop smaller then a pinhead on the skin to kill in about as bad a way as is possible (IE convulsions to the point of snapping your spine for up to half an hour). Thankfully the only things that can get through an NBC suit are some gasses which would just knock you out for a few minutes and some which smell so horrible you'd be chucking your cookies 2km away (EG Tioacetone can with a single drop stink out most of a city). Thiols are another contender with some of them smelling so bad as to pretty much blind you as your brain overloads with bad smell and makes you chuck up even with anti-emetics in your system. They certainly won't kill you but after an hour or two it goes from worrying that they might kill you to worrying that they wont. I know a chemist who has been in that situation with thiols.
Consider the dirty war Matsimus
dennis tan it's only dirty before decontamination ;)
What a great video to wake up to. Personally I agree with your Instructors.
some agents will penetrate the rubber of protective mask after a while
That was disturbing... Something that indeed shouldn't be used...
We must agree on one thing. Soldiers in gas masks look badass
Matsimus, really, you got yerself a fan and a friend, great work.
Most nerve agent attacks will be mixed in with AC or Blood Agents, Vomit Agents, and some CS or teargas. But mostly, nerve agents are area denial weapons. That oily chemical is difficult to wash off a vehicle. It will stay around for a long time.
Why is it every time a goat? Jurassic Park, Nerv agents videos , etc.
If you use monkey for testing,it becomes King Kong!😂🤢
You should have included Blood Agents as well, but good vid.
This is the thing that scared me the most .
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NBC Training scared the shit outa me..... We had NBC suits which were lined with charcoal and were as hot as. Better hot than dying I guess
Poor goat :/
Could have been worse, could have been chlorine.
as my CBRN specialist told me "you don't. you will die one of the most horrible deaths one can imagine and there's basically nothing you can do about it". many CBRN suits that are in circulation aren't effective against many chemical weapons in use.
Really interesting video keep them up!
I hated how hot the gear was, and my situational awareness went down to about 10%. Sweat running everywhere in the mask. Ugg. Oh, and four years of lugging that fucking gas mask everywhere.
try the old Soviet and Warsaw Pact kit, I used some doing opfor in the 80's - our Mk 3 NBC suits beat them hands down for comfort, ease of use, stopping you boiling - their suits were pretty much boil in the bag rubber suit.
Dan S getting swamp ass is a minor price for your life.
I pray to God almighty that no one will ever have to experience that. That sounds like the most terrifying experience that one could go through.
Just always wear your anti-nerve gas equipment. That wont get heavy, hot, sweaty, uncomfortable, or generally anoying. Double layer it just to be safe
Hello, i'm a new subscriber and love you're content. i'm 17,5 and planning on joining the army next year, because here in Sweden we have now gotten mandatory service for about 5-10k teenagers every year so there for i'm planing on volunteering. my hobbys are technology, off roading, off road vehicles and military stuff in general, there for i'm planning on becoming an engineer/mechanic/driver since that contains most of my hobbies. could you make a video on what you have get to do in service and training? (if you already have could you link it?) Greetings from Sweden!!
Basic training involves a lot of general conditioning to get everybody on a general fitness level. Involves a lot of running and some upper body strength. Some running and pushups wouldn't hurt.
The rest depends on your future training. I breezed through hand to hand because I'd done kickboxing and krav maga for years already, but for the rest of the people, that was just one day of training, so how much is the advantage worth?
"and love you're content"
Sweden is not a country worth fighting for, join Norway.
I better suffer and stay alive then not suffer and die very very fast
chemical weapons don't kill very fast and are facking painful and the victim remains conscious for about a minute.
Sarin Gas for example. th-cam.com/video/w3sJEbcT7IE/w-d-xo.html
Okay so both?
I was a 54B in the US Army, in the 80s. Chemical Operations Specialist.... Detection and Decon of Nuclear Biological and Chemical weapons. During AIT, we had to do live nerve agent training. We went into a room with an old jeep that had live nerve agent on it, had to find the agent and decontaminate it. Scary shit....
I gave a speech on how Inhumane chemical and nerve agents are and how they should be banned. ( I did this in school to my class)
You better talk fatty kim jung yam
The video of the guy getting his sleeve cut points his barrel right at his face. Sling it or something
That discord sound scared the shit out of me
That is terrifying good god I pray I never have to witness or live through this
Super videoclip. Mulțumesc mult 🙏
I find tactical (not strategic) nuclear weapons to be more acceptable as they kill immediately and have a very different physiological effect. Tactical nuclear weapons are a weapon of shock and aw that terrify a nation and strengthen the moral of your troops, chemical weapons terrify the soldiers of both sides as they set a president for the use of more chemical weapons. They also linger in the area for much longer. Most tactical nuclear weapons fallout has a half-life of days (or millions of years, by witch point the radiation they give out is negligible), whereas chemical agents and linger for decades.
GottJäger but tactical nuclear weapons can begin a chain reaction followed by strategic nuclear weapons
da ve. yes they can, but a world ending nuclear war is the outcome of large scale chemical weapon exchange as well.
Nuclear weapons may instantly kill those within the blast radius, but a significantly higher number of people will suffer from the consequences of being exposed to radiation both through fallout/directly/consumption of contaminated food. And they/further generations will suffer for many years to come. Also contaminated areas/animals/crop can't be identified without equipment, those who enter the area will be exposed to radiation too. Nuclear weapons does the same thing as chemical weapons/mines just too a larger extent. And causes unnecessary suffering to the enemy and to civilian inevitably, the use of it can't be justified.
jamie 71171. However with modern, more efficient, tactical nuclear weapons the majority of the radioactive fallout comes in the form of isotopes with a half-life of either a few days of high intensity radioactivity that would kill almost all living things immediately and long half-life isotopes giving out low-intensity radioactivity that would have negligible health effects (other than possible heavy metal poisoning). They also give out a hell of a lot of beat radiation witch would make everyone in the immediate vicinity like soy.
GottJäger My dude, have you seen the burned victims of both Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
I watched this training video after you posted your CBRN video a but back.
Can you make a vid on the Oshkosh M-ATV/L-ATV
Dark weapons I truly hate many thanks for this chap
Keep up the videos. They are great.
Quite a frightening weapon, let's hope it is never used, and if it is ever used, I pray to God that it is on our side.
stubbk3 I wasn't aware of that, that is quite horrible, who is using them? It better be no terrorist organisation or I will stock up on gas masks for my family.
Philip Millsom I just meant that, God forbid, they need to be used, the good guys have them. But I can understand your point and whole-heartedly agree.
"Cessation of breathing"
No kidding? "Hmm I seem to have stopped breathing, I'll just Google my symptoms"
By the way. The solution to load the German nerve agents onto ships and sink them in the oceans is backfiring today. Wasn't reported on dealiest catch until now, what fishermen can catch in the Baltic Sea.
" If you detect any of these symptoms..." Coma?
The problem is, these symptoms are those taken from individuals exposed to a non-lethal dose: in war the amounts involved would be considerably higher, so all symptoms would be almost immediate. Also, an attack combining say nerve and blister agents- not unlikely (if you're going chemical, why not use what you've got)- would mean that these measures would be ineffective: atropine is ineffective against blister agents, and any exposed skin would produce the same effect in debilitation.
In a chemical war, it's likely that all types would be used simulaniously where available: the effects comlement each other, with some having immediate effect on the airways and exposed skin, and others remaining on the ground for significant periods, to the extent that they're an area-denial weapon.
Basically, chemical warfare is hell.
One of the shorts before a movie at a base theater. I saw lots of these training films in the early 1970s.
Im in the army and very recently graduated ait im a CBRN specialist in my MOS(job) training you are exposed to VX nerve agent (exposed doesnt mean inhaling it )one of my friends did not have a good seal and inhaled some of the agent and did not tell anyone and when we got back to the barracks his pupils were pinpoints, he was sweating,his hands were shaking,and had diahrrea for about 4 hours. Hes fine now but taken in large amounts like in an actual attack it would be horrible
What should I do to get you to make a video on the TR85M1 !?
Very timely considering the recent events in Salisbury.
Matsimus = KGB/JSB operative???
The goat didn't deserve that! Feels, the feels my man.
Love the videos keep them up.
Don't be their to begin WITH
Watching this made me think of my grandfather who came down with leukemia as a result of something he was exposed to in the Army.
One aspect should be mentioned: it is both a *area denial* weapon and a *logistical* attack *similar to landmines.*
What I mean by that is, that they are not intended to kill but to cause as many casualties as possible and bind as many forces as possible with dealing with the wounded.
In many cases the concentration of the nerve agent will not be high enough to kill within 2min, but put the victim in a critical state or at least one where he cannot perform his duty. In that case, adding atropine can cause an atropine poisoning, since the nerve agent and the atropine are antagonistic, meaning that too much will cause the opposite reaction of the body (overly simplified). AFAIK, it takes 24h supervision by medical professionals until the victim is stabilised.
BTW: regarding mustard gas: it is way less deadly so that it becomes actually unlikely that you die of it unless you suffer a direct hit. However, it will permanently injure eyes and lungs.
Here a short comparison in LD50 (dose where 50% of the victims die and the rest likely becomes incapacitated)
mustard gas: 64mg/kg (via skin)
prussic acid: 1mg/kg (ingested)
sarin: 0.6mg/kg (oral)
VX: 5ug/kg (oral)
Note: it's hard to get comparable data, but you can asume that the toxicity does not change it's order of magnitude when changing from ingestion to diffusion through skin. If you want to be precise, you would need to calculate the concentration in air, the time someone stays in it and calculate the uptake via lungs and skin. Both obviously depend on multiple factors like rate of breath and sweating etc. Moreover, since concentration camps and U731 are closed, we don't have any dependable data on the exact LD50 for humans. Test subjects may vary from mice to apes. However, it was found that rats are surprisingly resilient to some poisons whereas humans are very resilient towards dioxines, thus the LD50 can change by several orders of magnitude from one species to another.
PS: I'm not an expert on this topic, but a chemist, who BTW, closely escaped an accident involving another chemical weapon: phosgene (used in WWI as a weapon and today as a reagent in lab)
"how do you survive a nerve gas attack?"
"oh boy... you're gonna want to sit down for this one"
In civilian industries I've had to take H2S training, scary stuff. good video.
If you get in a CBRN attack you will automatically have 30% casualties. Then if you are taking fire while donning all your gear you take another 30% so that leaves only 40% to fight and take care of the others. There is nothing like being in MOPP 4 with your full 60lbs kit in Southern California in the summer. Then moving 5km up hills and mountains.
R.I.P goat
In 13:12 of the video I then remembered that in WW2, US Army soldiers were wearing chemically impregnated clothes which were quite smelly .Such actions by the allies deterred Germany to use sarin and Sudan against them
Someone has to say it so i guess i will. " By not having a lot of nerve?" Not joining the army should help as killing unarmed/armored people with nerve agents is a fantastic waste of resources.
That's kind of the point though, isn't it? Just having such a weapon is a massive deterrent against even fighting against it.
It's easier to have other deterrents ( logistically speaking) but super powers can afford to diversify and cover all aspects. No one would fear North Korea's possible nerve agent stockpile ( which degrades) if they didn't have artillery within range of a major South Korean city or the air force/ballistic missile force to stand a chance of dispersal.
Yes and the only thing the Tomahawk cruise missile is really very useful for is bombing defenseless civilians; going to work perfectly against those 'terrorist/russian infiltrated' secessionist movements. Don't for a moment think that the majority of Americans are not going to support their government blowing up these ' foreign backed' dupes.
Good vid. Current CBRN Soldier here. The simple answer is as a civilian you die.
Very horrible and unethical weapon. These should be illegal to use in warfare.
They are illegal, but no one follows the international warfare laws...
Lol, idiot.
technically nukes are also illegal ...
Harryvj what exactly makes them unethical?
@Callum Gledhill disproportionate impact on civilian life, not only during an attack, but also after the attack and even after the war, compared to the initial military objective.
Chemical agents are devised to stay active a long time after dispersion in order to successfully block an area. Problem is, chemical agents can stay active even after the war under barns, under roofs, etc. - it is like living in a nuclear contaminated area, you cannot grow food, you cannot move wherever you want because of possible contamination, and you are more than certain to be contaminated to a degree (bye bye children)
And I do not even talk about chemical attacks aimed at maiming civilians.
It's like spreading mines with the aim to make civilian life impossible.
Me personally I think that soldier has severe symptoms of hangover with dose of shock with realisation of how much he spent at strip club
2:23 A weapon of suffering...oh yeah no kidding. But (I think?) itz also preetty effective against an army too, because it forces them to expend more logistics & time by not ONLY having to provide troops with proper protective equipment, but to also force them to decontaminate constantly
You can't fool me, that wasn't nerve agent used on the goat. There was an American psychic soldier off camera staring at it really hard.
Ahhhh! The old rubber suits! You can swim inside.
I've always been fascinated by nuclear bombs and diseases. idk i guess we all have morbid lust for knowledge
It's on that goats fresh dance moves it's clear that they have figured out how to weaponize the funk
Poor goat.
Its easy to see why this stuff doesn't get much use except for the really desperate. Ignoring the international backlash anyone would get for using this stuff, it still contaminates the area making it dangerous to use in an attack.
Still we really need to consider finding more practical protective gear than what we have.
Dude I just got chills V agents I hope that's not what they used on that poor goat. Wow
Esh. Sounds like a hell of a nasty way to go out.
This was just before or after that Skripal poisoning. Scary timing.
Take a deep breath and let it happen