The Jordan rules were a defensive strategy effectively employed by the Pistons in the 88, 89 & 90 season. The rules were basically to force Michael left, double from various angles with size and everytime he came into the paint or went by you on a drive or screen, hit him hard. By 1991 with the improved play of his Bull teammates and his emerging trust in Coach Jackson and the triangle offense, the rules were no longer a deciding factor.
The Triangle offense also made it much easier to understand what you were watching as Jr. high kid. You knew what you were watching and the options available to know where and what to watch for. Someone else said it was elegant offense to watch! A very true statement in deed!
The exceptionally high vertical translates to horizontal explosiveness. It only makes sense that the player with the highest vertical was also the fastest and quickest (two different things) player as well.
No it wasn't. He didn't play out of it when he was player of the year in college, not when he beat NBA all star squads on the way to leading USA to his first gold medal and all the way up to 1989 of his pro career. He was considered the best player ever before Phil Jackson became his coach. As a matter of fact it was implemented with his exceptional skill set in mind. Not just anyone can operate out of it. That's why that warriors don't run it completely, Scottie couldn't complete the task in Jordan's absence and Kobe needed above average big men.
If that's the case we would see Jordan like replication AND WE HAVE NOT. Kobe was close but he was still a knock off and imo will be the closest thing to ever replicate that mans dominant game. Jordan was levels above anyone on the court both his IQ and skill level. LeBron has the IQ but his skill set is NOWHERE near as deep as MJs is. LeBron is a very one dimensional player who has relied on his athleticism plus his size
@@rawfilmbasketball, did you know that Tex Winter, in the 1950's, came to Puerto Rico 🇵🇷, and was the HC of the Ponce Lions, where a point guard named Juan Vicens, played in the summer. This same player, was his point guard at Kansas State, played from 1954 to 1956, and played in that same triangle offense! Plus, it was used in Puerto Rico in those years, which gave the Ponce Lions multiple championships. Plus, in 1959, in the FIBA World Cup, Mr. Juan Vicens was elected the best player in the World. His height was 5'9, but had a heart of gold! Tex Winter came for a few years to coach. Also, Phil Jackson, once his career as a player was finished, started his coaching career in Puerto Rico, as HC of the Gallitos of Isabela! That was before he became a HC of the Chicago Bulls! Phil Jackson's story is pretty awesome for those of us who have seen his evolution as a Coach!
I really miss this style of basketball. It was so much better to watch than one guy dribbling the ball 30 times and then jacking up a horrible 3 pointer
I remember watching Harden do that iso ball in Houston and teammates just standing around and then he’d just throw up a 3. Over and over again. I stopped watching
good stuff. i enjoyed the analysis and examples. good info for fans, hoopers, scouts and coaches alike. a solid offense. and like all solid offenses (and there are quite a few) it systemizes floor spacing, ball movement and player movement. and has multiple options for players to read in all 3 of these areas. for example, sometimes the spacing will be more spread (and balanced). and sometimes overloaded (clearout). you can see why you only need 2 creative scorers on the floor at any time. and 1 will actually suffice. and more than 2 can actually be problematic unless the additional creative scorers can stay disciplined within the system and give scoring opportunities time to unfold. a winning offensive basketball system will have spacing, ball movement and player movement guidelines. and at minimum 2 actions/options for any given situation. but heady, experienced players will find way more than 2. finally. any solid offensive system will be built on some fundamental tenets. 1) cutting towards the ball 2) backdoor cuts 3) ball screens 4) offball screens 5) purposeful dribbling.
@@JohnSantana I actually enjoyed it. I enjoyed the defense that the Celtics were playing in. Which I wanted the Timberwolves to play. With team’s that has a player like Luka you don’t just let him do his isolation. He would feast in that all day long. He’ll still get his shots regardless but you throw multiple bodies at him to make him tire
He could pass off to Steve Kerr, who remains the NBA's all time career 3 point percentage leader. A great weapon on a team with many players who were weapons on their own... in the 2nd 3 peat, this included 7' 2" Longley and hall of famers Pippen and Kukoc.
Awesome breakdown. I played in the triangle in high school. Ours was kinda meh tbh. Few players had sticky fingers and didn’t understand the importance of passing quickly to keep the defense from setting up properly. Watching how efficiently the bulls moved the ball was a thing of beauty. The corner pick and roll was my bread and butter. Would pull up from about 12 feet for jumpers all day on that or drop a bounce pass to the roll man. Weak side pinch post was deadly. We got so many easy buckets off the handoff/back door action. It’s easy to see what Phil meant when he said Jordan let the game come to him and got a lot of buckets in the flow of the offense as opposed to Kobe who took over more. Lakers triangle looked a lot different from the bulls. Miss you though Mamba
Yeah I saw that too but the freeze frame also made it more noticeable. But I've noticed it just from watching highlights over the years. In the finals you lay it all on the line for your squad.
The roots of the triangle offense is almost 80 yrs old. That’s hard fathom. It is a killing machine. We ran variations of it in high school & destroyed people. We are a football school. 14 state championships. But for a run, we had both. The late 80s early 90s when basketball was in its hey day. We had 70 at halftime, 140 at the end of games, 114 thru 3Q. This is back then. We were a small school in NC who pressed NON-STOP, 6’ - 6’3 white boys & the entire starting lineup not only could dunk on you, it would get UGLY. 😂 Everyone could post up, dribble, shoot…but run like Carl Lewis. Those were the days. Giddy up. 70 at halftime in a 16 minute half. Hahahahahaha. 😂 Those other teams weren’t dogs.
What’s interesting is that given the tremendous success of this style offense, why is no team running it today? Hmm…let me guess, the proliferation of the 3pt shot, which is ruining basketball.
A lot of triangle concepts are still used today, it’s just that the entire system isn’t used anymore. But yes, with post ups being viewed as less efficient, and the Triangle being a post heavy offense, that probably plays into it a lot
I'd been debating the same for awhile. I used to think the game was being ruined by such a tactic. The truth of the matter, having played basketball in multiple eras, proliferation also means 'more skilled at'. Just like the 80s saw the rise of dominant big men, the 90s the dominant scoring wing, 00s the the ball dominant PG, 2010s had the emergence of the stretch 4 or and 5 than the 'D and 3' specialist, this game is ever-evolving. 'Ruined' is too harsh a term.
Yes they shouldn't be hard to find the triangle was a very big topic of discussion and I know a ridiculous amount of hours have been committed to studying it and seeing how to try and effectively stop it. This was really effective when ran by Phil other have tried and ame nowhere near the success Phil was able to obtain with it
The main benefit of the triangle was that it got the ball to Jordan in different places on the offensive end. So it enabled them to utilize Jordan in a more efficient way. Other than that I don’t think it was that innovative. I believe Isaiah Thomas pointed this out while broadcasting a game.
The Triangle offense certainly helped the Bulls acheive their ultimate goal. But by the time Phil took over as head coach, Doug Collins already had them in the Eastern conference finals. The Bulls still lost to the Pistons in the playoffs the following year, albeit in 7 games. The Bulls finally overcame the Pistons once Pippen and Horace Grant elevated their games and became consistent offensive contributors.
Love your technical videos. Can you do one explaining what exactly Doc Rivers is doing in terms of offense? The players say he doesn't coach and tells them to coach themselves. Can you please break down why he is so bumbling so people can understand? Thanks.
And Carmelo said THIS wasnt working for him while he was in New York because Phil wasnt actually on the sideline coaching it. Instead, Phil was the GM upstairs. Said the Knicks didnt have the right personel to run it......said it was too predictable and easy for defenses to adjust to it. #Interesting🤔🤔💯
Thank you! I am going to go into your other videos and see of you explain what Denver is doing play and set-wise these days. It seems like Joker is playing opponents like a fiddle and I am wondering how much of it is his own creativity and how much is scripted.
It's scripted it's very easy to tell. The coach saw a lack of real big men and went and found one that's highly athletic for his size and he used it to pick modern defenses apart cuz there set up to stop a different style of play. Minnesota and the Jordan like young star Anthony Edwards shut that whole shit down though, he was a fresh sight with that crazy defense and the NBA hasn't had a dominant 2 way player for years
0:45 "as it involved giving the ball to his teammates", as if jordan did not give the ball ever to his teammates. People did not watch Jordan in the 80s, when they claim he did not share the ball. Go and watch game 6 ECF 1989.
Yes every player didn’t need the ball in their hands testing their “handles” …..you can pass the ball much faster than dribbling….fundamentals …..golden state actually did a nice job of passing the ball in their best years… but oh yeah Steve Kerr was a bull.
Late 90’s was not the time of it, the Jordan Rules were simple, mugging that was legal, in 1991, Phil asked MJ who is open, he replied Paxon, he made several in a row, title
A terrific offense. But it works best when your opponents cooperates and also doesn't shoot any 3 pointers when they are on offense. If they don't though, the mathematics eventually overwhelms That's why you don't see this offense anymore. Warriors in 6.
Yeah, and they all lost before they switched to the triangle. Jordan and Scottie were losing together in a different system, as were Shaq and Kobe in LA. That's when they brought in Phil. However, I don't understand why we like to reduce everything to an overly simplified answer. It's often more complicated than that. That system was tried in other places, I think in New York, and failed. Phil wasn't the coach. He was in the front office. So two things can be true - the system and the players. Also, Phil didn't run the offense that was primarily Tex Winters.
@@RepentOrPerishL133 Besides the Bulls with MJ and Lakers with Shaq and Kobe name another team that has won with the Triangle? It's not all one single answer that is true but the Triangle was heralded as the greatest offensive system of all time and except in those 2 cases it doesn't have anything to show for So it's fair in my opinion to ask is it the system or personnel to make it happen
The triangle offense or any system that requires a lot of player movement, works best for players who can move without the ball especially for your wing players and guards must know how to flare, cut, and pop and have reliable catch-and-shoot mid-range or catch-and-shoot close range, know how and where to set screens, pinch post. It demands movement. Players like MJ, Bird, Reggie Miller, Jokic, Steph Curry, Rip Hamilton, Kobe (borederline calibrated for isolation play but still have an active off-ball) will benefit from this offense. These players have somewhat active to very active off-ball games and all of them know how to do the specific positioning and scoring techniques mentioned, actively and consistently. These players don't need the ball most of the time to be effective on offense. Effectiveness is mutual. Players like those mentioned would benefit from the triangle offense, and the triangle offense would benefit from players like those mentioned, vice-versa. However, players like LeBron, Luka, Harden, Durant (barely), who doesn't seem to or have never exhibited to have a very active off-ball game or the extent of their "off-ball" game is mostly just standing near the top of the key and cutting in, no actual activity, and/or needs the ball at all times in order to have a significant effect on offense, or are solely reliant on isolation plays. The triangle offense would not work well with these type of players. They would need a complementary player that does have an active off-ball game to generate movement in order to use the triangle offense. The triangle offense would most likely be ineffective if it was ran by players like those mentioned in this paragraph.
The triangle offense made Jordan a better team player. Without it he would have gotten his scoring. That means he would had broken the scoring title way earlier not caring about winning
you talking about career scoring? because Jordan was the league leader in scoring every year regardless of being in or out of the triangle. I agree though it did make him a better team player.
As one NBA player said, "I'd like to see that triangle crap played by the Clippers". This was when the Clippers were really bad. The triangle offense would work still but the 3 point offense would win every time. Things change.
Yes the NBA is a constantly evolving thing, and the triangle is much less viable now due to players moving from team to team more often. It was a difficult system to learn
What are you even saying? 1. You’ve never seen Jordan play, only watched clips on TH-cam.. prove me wrong.. I’ll wait. 2. You have definitely not watched basketball at all ever, only clips on TH-cam. If 2 was false which it isn’t, then you’d understand every team runs plays, and every player has ran a play. You muppet delete the internet you don’t deserve to be on it.
Stupid young nba fans love to say MJ couldn’t have won without Phil’s triangle the triangle offense. The triangle offense couldn’t have won without MJ .. look at Kobe he was successful with it but not to the wxtent Jordan was. Jordan never lost with it. These days they lack the creativity and team coherence to make it successful ..Kerr managed to use parts of it with the warriors but they couldn’t sustain any sort of title success with it. Not the way MJ did ..his bag was so deep and the offense gave him so many options.. MJ would’ve won another 2 to 3 titles with this offense if they let them continue and he didn’t retire twice
I tell people all the time... MJ didnt win those championships. Phil did. That system got to 13 Championship games and then a version of it in Golden State got to another 5. You need really good passers, a slasher and a good shooter. MJ was already great before Phil. Phil took him to legendary status.
no resistance because of the triangle. did you even watch the video. if jordan makes an off ball cut within the design of the triangle and that results in an open look then that is a good thing in favor of the triangle offense being good, not "overrated".
@@rawfilmbasketball Jordan is the greatest player of all time. He would have excelled in any offensive system. The Bulls won 6 championships because they had the best player to ever play!
@@philb.1502 true but that doesn't mean the triangle isn't a good thing or "doesn't matter". it's important for a team to have a style of play, it's important for the players to operate within a system. no teams are winning championships out there just playing streetball
@tomdemay6147 Obviously, every team needs an offensive system, but the premise that the triangle is the reason for the Bulls' success is ludicrous. They could have run a different system and still won. They had the greatest player to ever play.
@@philb.1502 i dont think anyone has ever said the triangle is THE reason for the Bulls success. It's a contributing factor or A reason just like each player was or coach. The main factor given credit is ALWAYS Michael Jordan. I don't think I've ever heard someone say MJ or the Bulls ONLY won the title because of the triangle. And who knows what there success with other systems might have been. Sure they would have won titles but would they have won 6? From observation it seems triangle was a very good system in the way it allowed Jordan to operate off the ball and operate all over the court especially in the post. It also seems to be a good system in that their is alot of moving and passing which keep the "roleplayers" involved and active and not just "watching MJ do his thing" which happens to lots of players over the history of the NBA.
rewatch the video. the video explains what the triangle is very clearly. you can very clearly see jordan operating within that offense. you can see examples of jordan making the right plays, the right passes and cuts in the triangle.
This is what mj becomes more lethal in the game. He dominate the game by not using excessive dribbling or whatever fancy moves just to score he understood to be effective. The triangle is more of a player movement rather the ball is being stagnant on one player.. imagine keeping the best player in the world being open.
Yes every player didn’t need the ball in their hands testing their “handles” …..you can pass the ball much faster than dribbling….fundamentals …..golden state actually did a nice job of passing the ball in their best years… but oh yeah Steve Kerr was a bull.
Correction: The Pistons employed the Jordan Rules in the late 90's. They did that in the mid-to-late 80's.
Oh gosh! I totally meant to say late 80s - thank you
The Jordan rules were a defensive strategy effectively employed by the Pistons in the 88, 89 & 90 season. The rules were basically to force Michael left, double from various angles with size and everytime he came into the paint or went by you on a drive or screen, hit him hard. By 1991 with the improved play of his Bull teammates and his emerging trust in Coach Jackson and the triangle offense, the rules were no longer a deciding factor.
Jordan the best midrange and post play lb for lb the NBA has ever seen. Guy was a fckn machine.
The Triangle offense also made it much easier to understand what you were watching as Jr. high kid. You knew what you were watching and the options available to know where and what to watch for. Someone else said it was elegant offense to watch! A very true statement in deed!
The Triangle was such an elegant system to watch.
Jordan‘s speed and his jumping height is unbelievable
The exceptionally high vertical translates to horizontal explosiveness. It only makes sense that the player with the highest vertical was also the fastest and quickest (two different things) player as well.
His vertical was 40" coming out of college which was an NBA record for a very long time
The triangle ran efficiently with good players is a thing of beauty
So far this is the best video explaining the triangle I've ever seen.
Thank you so much!!
As great as Jordan was individually, the Triangle is a huge reason he became the GOAT. 🐐
No it wasn't. He didn't play out of it when he was player of the year in college, not when he beat NBA all star squads on the way to leading USA to his first gold medal and all the way up to 1989 of his pro career. He was considered the best player ever before Phil Jackson became his coach. As a matter of fact it was implemented with his exceptional skill set in mind. Not just anyone can operate out of it. That's why that warriors don't run it completely, Scottie couldn't complete the task in Jordan's absence and Kobe needed above average big men.
If that's the case we would see Jordan like replication AND WE HAVE NOT. Kobe was close but he was still a knock off and imo will be the closest thing to ever replicate that mans dominant game. Jordan was levels above anyone on the court both his IQ and skill level. LeBron has the IQ but his skill set is NOWHERE near as deep as MJs is. LeBron is a very one dimensional player who has relied on his athleticism plus his size
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What happened to the triangle when Jordan left basketball for 2 years?
The triangle didn't make Jordan a success. Jordan made the triangle a success.
I never understood the triangle. You explained it very well
Thank you!
@@rawfilmbasketball, did you know that Tex Winter, in the 1950's, came to Puerto Rico 🇵🇷, and was the HC of the Ponce Lions, where a point guard named Juan Vicens, played in the summer. This same player, was his point guard at Kansas State, played from 1954 to 1956, and played in that same triangle offense! Plus, it was used in Puerto Rico in those years, which gave the Ponce Lions multiple championships. Plus, in 1959, in the FIBA World Cup, Mr. Juan Vicens was elected the best player in the World. His height was 5'9, but had a heart of gold! Tex Winter came for a few years to coach. Also, Phil Jackson, once his career as a player was finished, started his coaching career in Puerto Rico, as HC of the Gallitos of Isabela! That was before he became a HC of the Chicago Bulls! Phil Jackson's story is pretty awesome for those of us who have seen his evolution as a Coach!
Broncos, Yankees and bulls that year! What a great time for sports
Well done! Used to watch every televised Bulls game in the 90's as a kid. Triangle offense was a well oiled machine
Thank you!
5:30 Steve Kerr a G for screening Karl Malone like that
That's no easy task, those Karl Malone elbows are dangerous 😂
90SFOREVER ❤best era of our LIFETIME...no social more unique people best music best movies
..miss. them soo much
I really miss this style of basketball. It was so much better to watch than one guy dribbling the ball 30 times and then jacking up a horrible 3 pointer
Triangle stopped working when the NBA got rid of illegal defense
I remember watching Harden do that iso ball in Houston and teammates just standing around and then he’d just throw up a 3. Over and over again. I stopped watching
Did you see 2024 all star game. Pathetic
That's the modern basketball 😂
Mike use to do that till he played in a system so ur point is moot all pure scorers do that
It was not the late 90’s when the Piston’s were giving the Bulls problems. It was the late 80’s.
You’re correct, late 80s and early 90s. Don’t know why this comment got ignored LOL.
Dude! This vid is great. Thee best breakdown of the triangle. Love the Phil Jackson voice sound bites!
Thank you bro!
Such a clear description! Thanks a lot
Implemented by Phil Jackson, and his assistant Tex Winter ( the man who invented it)
Tex was the headcoach, Phil the assistant.
Great job breaking down the triangle! Fun and informative
If God was once disguised in Michael Jordan then the Triangle ultimately was the Holy Trinity in disguise 😄
Underrated comment 🏆🏆🏆
Great video ‼️ straight to the point no extra editing and loud background music 👍🏽👍🏽
good stuff. i enjoyed the analysis and examples. good info for fans, hoopers, scouts and coaches alike. a solid offense. and like all solid offenses (and there are quite a few) it systemizes floor spacing, ball movement and player movement. and has multiple options for players to read in all 3 of these areas. for example, sometimes the spacing will be more spread (and balanced). and sometimes overloaded (clearout). you can see why you only need 2 creative scorers on the floor at any time. and 1 will actually suffice. and more than 2 can actually be problematic unless the additional creative scorers can stay disciplined within the system and give scoring opportunities time to unfold. a winning offensive basketball system will have spacing, ball movement and player movement guidelines. and at minimum 2 actions/options for any given situation. but heady, experienced players will find way more than 2. finally. any solid offensive system will be built on some fundamental tenets. 1) cutting towards the ball 2) backdoor cuts 3) ball screens 4) offball screens 5) purposeful dribbling.
Thank you! And awesome comment - specifically your point on overloading towards one side of the floor can be a great counter to zone defenses
The issue with the triangle not working in the current NBA is the removal of illegal defense
Thank you. Very informative.
This video is underrated! By far one the best break down video I seen. Thank you bud for the iq u have for this game. I wish u well buddy
In the late 80s, not 90s.
Don't understand what you're saying here but the triangle wasn't implemented with the bulls until like 89 or 90
He mistakenly said that Detroit implemented the Jordan Rules in the late 90s.
Back when teams ran real plays to get to the basket and not just shoot 3 after 3. This year’s playoffs was boring af to watch. Especially the Finals.
@@JohnSantana I actually enjoyed it. I enjoyed the defense that the Celtics were playing in. Which I wanted the Timberwolves to play. With team’s that has a player like Luka you don’t just let him do his isolation. He would feast in that all day long. He’ll still get his shots regardless but you throw multiple bodies at him to make him tire
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@@cwj_721 well stop being a fake fan then bro
@@cwj_721 you are? good on you to admit that.
He could pass off to Steve Kerr, who remains the NBA's all time career 3 point percentage leader. A great weapon on a team with many players who were weapons on their own... in the 2nd 3 peat, this included 7' 2" Longley and hall of famers Pippen and Kukoc.
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@@rodneyharvey8938 Another good one he was.
I think Phil was Tex's assistant
Man I love this type of videos. You really apport a lot
Awesome breakdown.
I played in the triangle in high school. Ours was kinda meh tbh. Few players had sticky fingers and didn’t understand the importance of passing quickly to keep the defense from setting up properly.
Watching how efficiently the bulls moved the ball was a thing of beauty.
The corner pick and roll was my bread and butter. Would pull up from about 12 feet for jumpers all day on that or drop a bounce pass to the roll man.
Weak side pinch post was deadly. We got so many easy buckets off the handoff/back door action.
It’s easy to see what Phil meant when he said Jordan let the game come to him and got a lot of buckets in the flow of the offense as opposed to Kobe who took over more. Lakers triangle looked a lot different from the bulls. Miss you though Mamba
That was amazing. I've been searching information about playing systems in basketball and this helps a lot.
Those fadeAway shoots are difficult to make MJ was a genius
Holy crap he has a voice. This is tremendous
GREAT DETAILED EXPLAINATION ❤
Thank you!
Great film breakdown 👍🏾
Thank you!
Icy 🥶 Mike!!!
I love this explanation
5:28: Kerr gets demolished by Karl Malone, what a pick by Kerr. Wow
Yeah I saw that too but the freeze frame also made it more noticeable. But I've noticed it just from watching highlights over the years. In the finals you lay it all on the line for your squad.
Great video bro 💯
Thank you!
Then: Skill 🔥🔥
Now: 80% 3 point shots. YAWNNN
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Thank you!
Awesome vid bro
Thank you!
The roots of the triangle offense is almost 80 yrs old. That’s hard fathom.
It is a killing machine. We ran variations of it in high school & destroyed people. We are a football school. 14 state championships.
But for a run, we had both. The late 80s early 90s when basketball was in its hey day. We had 70 at halftime, 140 at the end of games, 114 thru 3Q. This is back then. We were a small school in NC who pressed NON-STOP, 6’ - 6’3 white boys & the entire starting lineup not only could dunk on you, it would get UGLY. 😂
Everyone could post up, dribble, shoot…but run like Carl Lewis.
Those were the days.
Giddy up.
70 at halftime in a 16 minute half. Hahahahahaha. 😂
Those other teams weren’t dogs.
Good stuff man
Thank you!
Great video
Thank you!
Great breakdown
Thank you!
What’s interesting is that given the tremendous success of this style offense, why is no team running it today? Hmm…let me guess, the proliferation of the 3pt shot, which is ruining basketball.
A lot of triangle concepts are still used today, it’s just that the entire system isn’t used anymore. But yes, with post ups being viewed as less efficient, and the Triangle being a post heavy offense, that probably plays into it a lot
I'd been debating the same for awhile. I used to think the game was being ruined by such a tactic. The truth of the matter, having played basketball in multiple eras, proliferation also means 'more skilled at'. Just like the 80s saw the rise of dominant big men, the 90s the dominant scoring wing, 00s the the ball dominant PG, 2010s had the emergence of the stretch 4 or and 5 than the 'D and 3' specialist, this game is ever-evolving. 'Ruined' is too harsh a term.
The Nuggets basically run a variation of this offense with a little more pick and roll when Murray is hot.
this is a great video.
are there breakdown drills for implementing this offense?
Yes they shouldn't be hard to find the triangle was a very big topic of discussion and I know a ridiculous amount of hours have been committed to studying it and seeing how to try and effectively stop it. This was really effective when ran by Phil other have tried and ame nowhere near the success Phil was able to obtain with it
Team basketball is so much more entertaining vs today’s NBA.
The main benefit of the triangle was that it got the ball to Jordan in different places on the offensive end. So it enabled them to utilize Jordan in a more efficient way. Other than that I don’t think it was that innovative. I believe Isaiah Thomas pointed this out while broadcasting a game.
A lot of counters to get MJ good post position regardless of the defense trying to deny it
triangle offense with the bulls: 6 championships
triangle offense with the knicks: pass the ball to melo and try and angle yourself for the rebound
The Triangle offense certainly helped the Bulls acheive their ultimate goal. But by the time Phil took over as head coach, Doug Collins
already had them in the Eastern conference finals. The Bulls still lost to the Pistons in the playoffs the following year, albeit in 7 games.
The Bulls finally overcame the Pistons once Pippen and Horace Grant elevated their games and became consistent offensive contributors.
Love your technical videos. Can you do one explaining what exactly Doc Rivers is doing in terms of offense? The players say he doesn't coach and tells them to coach themselves. Can you please break down why he is so bumbling so people can understand? Thanks.
Does any team play this? I think the Celtics and Timberwolves have the roster to play this the best
Dennis rodman explained the triangle offense as well as anyone
Very true
And Carmelo said THIS wasnt working for him while he was in New York because Phil wasnt actually on the sideline coaching it. Instead, Phil was the GM upstairs. Said the Knicks didnt have the right personel to run it......said it was too predictable and easy for defenses to adjust to it. #Interesting🤔🤔💯
steve kerr was dawwwg for that screen 5:28
lol yes
I wonder why all the coaches other coaches other than Phil Jackson who were involved in the triangle failed miserably doing so?
Complicated system. The continuity in the league was greater back then, and Jackson/Winter were committed to this system.
The bulls strategy was very clear. Give it to Michael and get out of the way
😂 not true. Look at the Mavs against the Celtics in the NBA finals. It's Luka Ball. How boring and predictable
He said late 90s Narerrater meant late 80s or early 90s when he was talking about the Bad Boys
Thank you! I am going to go into your other videos and see of you explain what Denver is doing play and set-wise these days. It seems like Joker is playing opponents like a fiddle and I am wondering how much of it is his own creativity and how much is scripted.
It's scripted it's very easy to tell. The coach saw a lack of real big men and went and found one that's highly athletic for his size and he used it to pick modern defenses apart cuz there set up to stop a different style of play. Minnesota and the Jordan like young star Anthony Edwards shut that whole shit down though, he was a fresh sight with that crazy defense and the NBA hasn't had a dominant 2 way player for years
Who are the other superstars other Jordan and Kobe who made the triangle work?
Not Carmelo
Shaq
Really ❤
0:45 "as it involved giving the ball to his teammates", as if jordan did not give the ball ever to his teammates. People did not watch Jordan in the 80s, when they claim he did not share the ball. Go and watch game 6 ECF 1989.
Yes every player didn’t need the ball in their hands testing their “handles” …..you can pass the ball much faster than dribbling….fundamentals …..golden state actually did a nice job of passing the ball in their best years… but oh yeah Steve Kerr was a bull.
Late 90’s was not the time of it, the Jordan Rules were simple, mugging that was legal, in 1991, Phil asked MJ who is open, he replied Paxon, he made several in a row, title
A terrific offense. But it works best when your opponents cooperates and also doesn't shoot any 3 pointers when they are on offense. If they don't though, the mathematics eventually overwhelms That's why you don't see this offense anymore. Warriors in 6.
Great breakdown of the triangle offense
Bit of an overrated system because it work in Chicago with Jordan and in LA with Shaq and Kobe so was it the system or personnel?
I give credit to both. Great system and great players
Yeah, and they all lost before they switched to the triangle. Jordan and Scottie were losing together in a different system, as were Shaq and Kobe in LA. That's when they brought in Phil. However, I don't understand why we like to reduce everything to an overly simplified answer. It's often more complicated than that. That system was tried in other places, I think in New York, and failed. Phil wasn't the coach. He was in the front office. So two things can be true - the system and the players. Also, Phil didn't run the offense that was primarily Tex Winters.
@@RepentOrPerishL133 Besides the Bulls with MJ and Lakers with Shaq and Kobe name another team that has won with the Triangle?
It's not all one single answer that is true but the Triangle was heralded as the greatest offensive system of all time and except in those 2 cases it doesn't have anything to show for
So it's fair in my opinion to ask is it the system or personnel to make it happen
The system probably works best with players like MJ and Kobe
The triangle offense or any system that requires a lot of player movement, works best for players who can move without the ball especially for your wing players and guards must know how to flare, cut, and pop and have reliable catch-and-shoot mid-range or catch-and-shoot close range, know how and where to set screens, pinch post. It demands movement. Players like MJ, Bird, Reggie Miller, Jokic, Steph Curry, Rip Hamilton, Kobe (borederline calibrated for isolation play but still have an active off-ball) will benefit from this offense. These players have somewhat active to very active off-ball games and all of them know how to do the specific positioning and scoring techniques mentioned, actively and consistently. These players don't need the ball most of the time to be effective on offense. Effectiveness is mutual. Players like those mentioned would benefit from the triangle offense, and the triangle offense would benefit from players like those mentioned, vice-versa.
However, players like LeBron, Luka, Harden, Durant (barely), who doesn't seem to or have never exhibited to have a very active off-ball game or the extent of their "off-ball" game is mostly just standing near the top of the key and cutting in, no actual activity, and/or needs the ball at all times in order to have a significant effect on offense, or are solely reliant on isolation plays. The triangle offense would not work well with these type of players. They would need a complementary player that does have an active off-ball game to generate movement in order to use the triangle offense. The triangle offense would most likely be ineffective if it was ran by players like those mentioned in this paragraph.
#MagicDaGOAT #2 Bird ##3 Jordan
Magic in tier 2. Tier 1 is Jordan and Wilt. Maybe Kareem. Nobody else is really close to Jordan and Wilt.
Jordan, at first, was against the Triangle offense because calling it an "equal opportunity offense".
Why Knicks failed?
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The hick from French lick passed the top player ball onto Michael. The ball has not been passed since
The triangle offense made Jordan a better team player. Without it he would have gotten his scoring. That means he would had broken the scoring title way earlier not caring about winning
you talking about career scoring? because Jordan was the league leader in scoring every year regardless of being in or out of the triangle. I agree though it did make him a better team player.
It was Tex Winters who developed the triangle offense, not Phil Jackson.
There was no triangle offense in 86.. Doug Collins was the head coach NOT Phil Jackson
Facts
And then rodman is waiting for the offensive rebound
He won 11 titles with this
As one NBA player said, "I'd like to see that triangle crap played by the Clippers". This was when the Clippers were really bad. The triangle offense would work still but the 3 point offense would win every time. Things change.
Yes the NBA is a constantly evolving thing, and the triangle is much less viable now due to players moving from team to team more often. It was a difficult system to learn
3 point offense will not "win every time". Every year there are a bunch of 3 point teams that don't win anything.
@rawfilmbasketball Why you out here deleting facts? People need to know what happened in the series….
What do you mean?
@@rawfilmbasketball I’m posting pictures but the link keeps getting removed….it may be TH-cam though so no worries.
You mean the late 80's?
Yes
I know this is not about LeBron, but I don’t think LeBron ever run coaches plays but I see Jordan doing it and he better than LeBron
What are you even saying?
1. You’ve never seen Jordan play, only watched clips on TH-cam.. prove me wrong.. I’ll wait.
2. You have definitely not watched basketball at all ever, only clips on TH-cam.
If 2 was false which it isn’t, then you’d understand every team runs plays, and every player has ran a play. You muppet delete the internet you don’t deserve to be on it.
In the late 80s not 90s homey
Stupid young nba fans love to say MJ couldn’t have won without Phil’s triangle the triangle offense. The triangle offense couldn’t have won without MJ .. look at Kobe he was successful with it but not to the wxtent Jordan was. Jordan never lost with it. These days they lack the creativity and team coherence to make it successful ..Kerr managed to use parts of it with the warriors but they couldn’t sustain any sort of title success with it. Not the way MJ did ..his bag was so deep and the offense gave him so many options.. MJ would’ve won another 2 to 3 titles with this offense if they let them continue and he didn’t retire twice
I tell people all the time... MJ didnt win those championships. Phil did. That system got to 13 Championship games and then a version of it in Golden State got to another 5. You need really good passers, a slasher and a good shooter. MJ was already great before Phil. Phil took him to legendary status.
Lost me at 0:25. “In the late 90’s.” That’s incorrect. Have to do better than that young man. It was the late 80’s. C’mon man.
Yes someone earlier in the comments corrected my mistake. Meant to say 80s
i mean it's a pretty obvious mistake, i think everyone knows what he meant to say.
Everything works with MJ
Do a video breaking down scottie pippens role in the offense
He was a point forward, which is the same as a PG. it’s that simple.
* OVER RATED PLAYER * you meant
Down vote....Pistons era you mentioned was the late 80's....NOT 90's. TOTAL FAIL
This is overrated all i see 3'4passes and Jordan shoot no matter what lots of times against no resistance.
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no resistance because of the triangle. did you even watch the video. if jordan makes an off ball cut within the design of the triangle and that results in an open look then that is a good thing in favor of the triangle offense being good, not "overrated".
@@tomdemay6147 my opinion you fcking genius
@@stokleyture2258 your opinion is very wrong
Jordan is the reason the Bulls won 6 championships. The triangle didn't matter. The Bulls could have run different offensive sets and still won.
That may or may not be true, but he didn’t win any championships before the triangle
@@rawfilmbasketball Jordan is the greatest player of all time. He would have excelled in any offensive system. The Bulls won 6 championships because they had the best player to ever play!
@@philb.1502 true but that doesn't mean the triangle isn't a good thing or "doesn't matter". it's important for a team to have a style of play, it's important for the players to operate within a system. no teams are winning championships out there just playing streetball
@tomdemay6147 Obviously, every team needs an offensive system, but the premise that the triangle is the reason for the Bulls' success is ludicrous. They could have run a different system and still won. They had the greatest player to ever play.
@@philb.1502 i dont think anyone has ever said the triangle is THE reason for the Bulls success. It's a contributing factor or A reason just like each player was or coach. The main factor given credit is ALWAYS Michael Jordan. I don't think I've ever heard someone say MJ or the Bulls ONLY won the title because of the triangle. And who knows what there success with other systems might have been. Sure they would have won titles but would they have won 6? From observation it seems triangle was a very good system in the way it allowed Jordan to operate off the ball and operate all over the court especially in the post. It also seems to be a good system in that their is alot of moving and passing which keep the "roleplayers" involved and active and not just "watching MJ do his thing" which happens to lots of players over the history of the NBA.
Ehhh, im a jordan fan! HE IS THE GOAT.. but what triangle offense? Its jordans offense 😂
rewatch the video. the video explains what the triangle is very clearly. you can very clearly see jordan operating within that offense. you can see examples of jordan making the right plays, the right passes and cuts in the triangle.
This is what mj becomes more lethal in the game. He dominate the game by not using excessive dribbling or whatever fancy moves just to score he understood to be effective. The triangle is more of a player movement rather the ball is being stagnant on one player.. imagine keeping the best player in the world being open.
Yes every player didn’t need the ball in their hands testing their “handles” …..you can pass the ball much faster than dribbling….fundamentals …..golden state actually did a nice job of passing the ball in their best years… but oh yeah Steve Kerr was a bull.