It was mainly the gentry and aristocrats, the common folk sounded the same, loud and obnoxious lol I wouldnt mind if those in power now adays spoke like they deserve it
There is no respect, at least from French commander, it's only a lying pose. He asked Magua later to finish Monroe while Bristish are outside the fort so he can kill him with someone's else hands while imitating peace. Scene shows hypocrisy, lies and brutality of colonial commanders.
@@woolfyx Well, all of this in the movie and the book is certainly absurd and not true. The French General shown in this scene is Louis Joseph de Montcalm who fought in the French and Indian war. The battle in this scene is real. The battle of Fort William Henry. After the surrender, Montcalm actually entertained his adversaries with food and drink. But the indians scorned at this. When the British left, the Indians were very disappointed since they didnt manage to get their "honors of war" which was the scalps of dead people, and all their belongings. Montcalm did not like their savage ways and chose to fight "European style" instead of taking cover and picking off your enemies. During the real massacre, it was the Indians who did it on their own initiative not Montcalm. But did you know during the real massacre, Montcalm rode to the retreating British and did all his best to stop the Indians attacking them? Now that is a respectable enemy. Sadly he was mortally wounded at the Battle of the Plains of Abraham September 13th 1759 and died.
@@AbrahamLincoln4 I was just about to respond to the original comment exactly how you did. You have saved me half a day writing and I thank you. One thing you missed out is the English left the fought with just the clothes on their backs. Totally unarmed.
It's fascinating and intriguing how history plays itself out. Obviously (according to this movies interpretation of history) the French are far less rigid and more tolerant of other peoples, their differences, etc. than the British were. I'm pretty sure that was actually true at the time. I've heard of many French pioneers who romanced and intermarried among the Native Americans, without repercussion, etc. Watching this movie actually makes me wish that the French (with their far less rigid and more tolerant policies, etc) not only got to keep Northeastern Canada (but were also able run the British out of the American Colonies, etc). Obviously that could (and would) never happen.
Other people noted the different ways of saluting showed a lot about both cultures. The Frenchman’s salute was flamboyant, much like the French culture. Munro’s salute was simple, yet dignified.
Although he only makes a small appearance in the film reading the Webb letter, Louis Antoine de Bougainville is a very interesting guy. He would go on to be a noted explorer, then fight in the American revolution, and finally a senator in the Napoleon regime.
@@ffjsb and he was seen as a crazy/weird guy for that, every court, every noble in any kingdom was teach to spook french as france was seen as the country of king, the eldest daughter of the church, it was a language of gentlemen so every gentlemen should know it, heck even in russia at the time of napoleon most nobleman and woman spoke french, tsar nicholas did say to napoleon "je hais les anglais autant que vous" "i hate the english as much as you "
No not really. French was the language of choice in some of mainland Europe's Royal Courts (Russia for example) but I wouldn't call it the international language.
Montcalm was a very inspiringly decent man throughout that war including in the battle with Wolfe in Quebec when both generals perished. If I went to Quebec I would visit both sites of the fallen with equal respect
Munro and his officers were disappointed that General Daniel Webb of Fort Edward refused to send reinforcements and instead told them to surrender. Webb was later criticized as a coward. Webb's decision is not of cowardice but out of military practicality. He believed the words of a captured French deserter that Fort William Henry was besieged by 11,000 strong French army under General Louis Joseph de Montcalm where it was actually composed only 6200 French soldiers and militia along with 1800 Native American warriors. If he send any of his estimated 1600 men to relive Fort William Henry, the outcome would be the same. Fort Edward was the last line of defense for Albany, capital of British North America and sending reinforcement to a battle that already been lost would severely weakened Fort Edward's strength in defending Albany. He decided to maintain Fort Edward's strength and gave up Fort William Henry.
He does have a bad rep; but there's probably something he could have done. A besieging army is actually extremely vulnerable to surprise attacks. But you're likely right, and it would have been a small chance. The British commander of the battle of Fort Carillon, James Abercrombie, has a similarly ruined reputation because his stupid frontal attack on the French fort with no supporting artillery basically doomed his force. In reality, he was a logistical genius who managed to get 15000 men, their supplies and guns through dense wilderness with no issues at all. The man was clearly in the wrong job and should have been handling the campaign logistics, not leading any battles. It's likely his subordinate, who was unfortunately killed in a skirmish before the big fight, was the one who advised him on military matters. It just kind of goes to show you have to read into things sometimes.
@@AtheAetheling Very valid point except for one: the Batte of Carillon was not against the Fort itself. It was 3/4 of a mile outward. Abercrombie made a full-frontal attack on a French breastwork reinforced by artillery.
death and honor are only the same if you have regrets, these soldiers had nothing to be sorry for; your pride remains untarnished when you have done your duty.
I will bow to my opponent like the French General on my next Karate match, btw why didnt France keep those Flags, the grey blue and white with the Fleur de lis is just exquisite, levely elegant flag and those soldiera uniforms are just soo elegant, no wonder the French have a high fashion talents, Vive la France 😘
Actually, the French flag is not the left one, this was the flag of French's colony in America, called "nouvelle France" (New France). The French kingdom flag was white with fleur de lys.
As to why they didn't keep those flags: The fleur de lis was a symbol of the French royal family and the king. During a little domestic disturbance known as the French Revolution such symbols of the nobility and royalty fell very far out of favor. As part of the new republican France that The Revolution was trying to create the symbols of the old order of the Kingdom of France were done away with and the first version of the modern Tricolour flag was adopted.
@@scelestishyjal2170 Wrong. That's a regimental flag. The flag of New france was the coat or arms of the royal navy, which was similar to the french flag
@@Leesoldier12 Absolutely, those are regimental flags in New France and there are by this time, a number of highly decorated French regiments exist within New France.
See now that is how a man acts. Does everything within his power to not have to fight, to not have to have his men suffer, die. Only until it’s absolutely necessary.
Dude thanks 🇫🇷, I'm French, currently in Poland for an internship and I'm moving to South Africa in a couple of months to join my cousins there and also to study in Stellenbosch. XD
One thing that I still don't know: did Montcalm sanction Magua's attack later on? The little bit of dialogue that comes in the next scene gives only a hint that Montcalm would not want to fight the same men again. This doesn't necessarily mean the same as "OK, Magua, go slaughter a whole bunch of Europeans..."
No, historically, Montcalm did not sanction the attack.They surrendered, and he gave them his word they could return to England and their farms unmolested. Its still a subject of debate how much he actually tried to prevent it happening though. The film hints at this too. Note that as the British and the French parlay, the camera cuts to Magua and his tribe a few times. You can imagine how alien this ritual is to them - to make niceties and let your sworn enemy just leave - instead of destroying them utterly. The cultural tension is palpable.
actually the french were at the scene when the huron attacked, they were unaware what was going to happen, they assisted british officers as much as possible, it also caused a falling out between huron and french.
@@puffinpal Montcalm also hated the Amerindians too, much like Wolfe. This is why Montcalm did what he did in regards to the surrendering force of Munro - because that's how Europeans were expected to act. The same could not be said about the Natives, which is why he loathed them. Also, the British were expected to return to Albany and not fight for a year - not return to England.
@@OscarDirlwood The French did not sanction the attack. They tried to guard the British but the French guards were outnumbered. The Huron were promised plunder and were upset the British left with their possessions. The Huron attacked to gain the guns, clothing and other possessions of the British.
@D Anemon This is 2000 years after they were fiighting with face paint. besides, when the Celtic Fought with paint, they wore clothes. By the time the Anglo-Saxons and Frankish were Settling in to each landmass and integrating, no more paint and fully clothed (e.g. 4th century A.D. +). The Brits and French both have Celtic, Gallo-Roman and Germanic blood
The British were not permitted to keep their arms, after the surrender the unarmed British were under French protection and still they were ambushed. However unlike what is portrayed in the film, it wasn't a total massacre. Of the 1800 or so who left the fort, a few hundred were killed by the Huron. Those sick and wounded who couldn't make the march remained in the fort, the Huron immediately murdered and scalped them, and not necessarily in that order. Savages.
général Montcalm was an upright, honest man whose honor and respect were values for him. He certainly did not suspect the slaughter that followed, otherwise he would have done anything to avoid it. Le général Montcalm était un homme droit, intégre dont l'honneur et le respect étaient pour lui des valeurs. Il ne se doutait certainement pas du massacre qui suivit sinon il aurait tout fait pour l'éviter.
I agree on all points except he knew the ambush would take place but could not stop it nor carried to because he knew he would have to face those same troops again.
@@drob762 The terms of the agreement specified that the British were to be protected by the French from the Indians. Montcalm talked to the Indians before the surrender to make certain they understood the terms that had been granted to the British. As the British began their march, the Indians attacked them. Montcalm and other French officers did their best to protect the British. Other French officers pointedly refused to offer any aid to the unarmed British. Estimates of British slain that day vary wildly from 200-1500 with most historians today coming down on the low end of the scale. The Indians took many of the British captive. Montcalm succeeded in ransoming 500 of them and turning them over to the British garrison at Fort Edward on August 15, 1757. The massacre hardened British and American attitudes towards the French and the Indians, and convinced them that a more vigorous prosecution of the war was essential. almostchosenpeople.wordpress.com/2010/05/23/fort-william-henry-massacre/
Note that the British were unarmed. Rifles but no ammunition or bayonets, surrendering these were part of the agreement. They knew about the ambush beforehand as Munro tried to leave quietly at midnight but the Indians were waiting. The French did not really stop the attack as they feared the Indians turning on them. Montcalm did his best but wouldn’t sacrifice his limited number of troops on protecting the British.
There's no such thing as a safe place in war and apparently the surrendering with honor means nothing fight to the death or let your captives decide your fate peace and strength be with all
What part are you referring to? When the British went back on their word earlier and wouldn't let the colonists leave? They certainly never went back on their word later because they were killed on the way out.
The French only had 70,000 people in New France compared to one million British colonists. The French and Indian War was only one part of the Seven Years War that was tying up French and British resources on an international basis. The French were definitely the underdog in North America.
Question for any in command situation is a leader to support the defense of the people or negotiate for the people to survive I love the army I feel as long as the army takes the death and the people live job well done mates but please tell me any ever been in charge do you put the safety of the people into negotiations that are not in paper
STEVE P Not really. He and his men could've gone down fighting. Of course, either way Montcalm gets the fort, but Munro goes out with his honor intact.
No idea if the movie got it right but these were actually there: "During the winter of 1756-57, Fort William Henry was garrisoned by several hundred men from the 44th Foot under Major Will Eyre. Eyre and his men were replaced by Lieutenant Colonel George Monro and the 35th Foot in the spring. Monro established his headquarters in the entrenched camp, where most of his men were located. .. The Indians that assembled at Montreal were sent south to Fort Carillon, where they joined the French regiments of Béarn and Royal Roussillon under François-Charles de Bourlamaque, and those of La Sarre, Guyenne, Languedoc, and la Reine under François de Gaston, Chevalier de Lévis. Combined with the troupes de la marine, militia companies, and the arriving Indians, the force accumulated at Carillon amounted to 8,000 men." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Fort_William_Henry
Seems the movie got the color wrong. Munro should have had an orange flag for his 'Orange lillies' as his regiment was nicknamed. (I'm colorblind but neither of those British flags look orange to me.) This is the correct one: www.diggerhistory.info/images/flags/gb-35ft2.gif
@D Anemon Those are clearly professional soldiers, not militia. The militia didn't have uniforms, only the "ceinture fléchée". I even doubt they had a flag. The white flag with the white cross and gold fleur-de-lys is probably the "Colonel" flag of Royal-Roussillon Regiment. The green and black flag with white cross, gold fleur-de-lys and four crowns is the flag of the Queen's Regiment (Régiment de la Reine). As for the grey and blue, I couldn't find which regiment it represented. French infantry regiments had two flags: a "drapeau d'ordonnance", which bore the white cross and the colours of the regiment and a white "Colonel" flag, which was the flag of the company of the regiment's colonel.
Was the ambush and slaughter of Monroe and his men that happened later in the movie, a conspiracy between the French and the native Americans or was it carried out purely by the natives and the French had no knowledge or part of it?
Neither. Natives were not pleased with the terms of surrender as British soldiers were allowed to take their belongings and weapons with them, this left natives with very little promised loot and scalps. Natives held their own war council, french commander Montcalm intervened and tried to reason with the natives but failed. Natives sacked the fort, killed all the wounded soldiers in the hospital, and finally attacked the fleeing civilians and soldiers. Monro did not actually die in the ambush, he survived.
I would love to see results, like this but first you must have a public pause, a break, to state your sides, to be clear, to be precise, to choose a place and a person, to stand up for your views. It’s way outta line, especially when it’s been read and recorded nearly 5 months and on. Makes me wonder about your technology. A(ahem Francoighing)
Difficult to say if Montcalm knew what would happen. Speaking as an Englishman....I'd say he probably didn't know. But he's not the only one the movie makes look bad. The entire ambush and assault is inaccurate anyway, but this scene is properly gorgeous.
well, Natives needed scalps to prove their victory. A signature was not enough. fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataille_de_Fort_William_Henry#Apr%C3%A8s_le_si%C3%A8ge "Dès lors, les Amérindiens tenteront de massacrer les membres de la garnison. Une première fois ce jour même à William Henry et une seconde fois le 10 août sur la route de Fort Edward. À deux reprises, les Français empêcheront les Amérindiens de commettre ces actes contre les Britanniques. Mais, le 10 août, dans la confusion, les Français interviennent un peu trop tard. Le reste de la colonne arrive sous escorte française à Fort Edward le 14 août et ce, avec Monro lui-même." The French protected the remaining survivors of the garnison.
Here is the English version. The French did their best I think to protect the British soldiers : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Fort_William_Henry#Massacre
@@dominiquebeaulieu I was under the assumption that French guards accompanied the British and did what they could to protect the British against overwhelming numbers. Am I incorrect?
If you watch the scenes with Magua and Montecalm, you can see Montecalm was trying to set up a final clash between Munroe's forces and Magua's men (who were getting a little too big for their britches). That's why he allowed the British to leave the fort fully armed- he was hoping Magua would get taken out in the attack he knew would come. (He saw Magua's hatred for the British, so that was pretty much a dead give away an attack would come.)
Spoiler alert: (Actually unnecessary given that this movie's scenes are available right here on TH-cam) That French general was a rat. He just set the British up for an ambush.
None, it's just different levels of melanin. Unless you mean cultures. There's advantages and disadvantages. I like the outdoors rather than dirty cities, but I don't like bloodthirstiness.
Dario Gonzalez I don't see it that way. It's more like the French general is a gentleman and he gives the British general the full salute and respect. The British general is a soldier first and does not like to spend time on courtly salutes. However, his bow to the French general still shows full respect.
I agree with Scott. I never got the sense that it was disrespectful. Just straightforward, literally, and to the point. But what does he say, "glass" or "class"? I could never make it out.
You might be right, but in my eyes it's not a perfect fit; which always leaves me in doubt. Do spyglasses, telescopes, microscopes or whatever "seize" (i.e., grasp, control, apprehend) what they're seeing? On the other hand the Marquis' class (i.e., power, ability, competence) could "seize the army of Webb". Either way, do you actually hear "glass", or are you in doubt too and just speculating? I don't hear glass anymore than I do class. Maybe I should dig up the script somewhere.
muntu I heard glass, also Munro mentions to Montcalm how he should figuratively look through his spyglass and see how strong his British Army and Royal Navy reinforcements are on the Hudson River, to which Montcalm refutes with General Webb's letter that mentions he will not be supporting Colonel Munro.
I hear ya, and a I suspect you're right. We were chatting about this a few comments below. "View all 5 replies" to Dario Gonzales. "Class" might work just as well as "glass", perhaps.
@@thibskywalker4450 And still, France lost mostly because Montcalm wanted to fight battle with european style, line to line, instead of a guerilla warfare like Vaudreil did before him
@@thibskywalker4450 France actually had more soldiers at first, but less colonists. So the early war went badly for Britain, as most of its forces were untrained militia. That changed when the British Pitt government pumped more money into the war and sent more troops. It was a bitter struggle either way, but there was no shame in the loss. Fighting wars thousands of miles away is hard.
@@rade6912 Only in terms of colonists. French soldiers actually outnumbered the Briitsh for the early war quite heavily, which is why the British struggled. When Britain decided to send more men to fight and invest in the war proper, France did not, so Montcalm was basically abandoned to die sadly.
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I wish people still spoke this way and had this kind of class.
BoredRabbit that’s a rare thing these days. I only hope it does not die and go the way of the dodo.
Let's start with ourselves, if we all do it, slowly it will return!
It was mainly the gentry and aristocrats, the common folk sounded the same, loud and obnoxious lol I wouldnt mind if those in power now adays spoke like they deserve it
Most people in the USA are struggling with English - just look at the man who's supposed represent the nation as its President.
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A fine example of two enemy's facing each other with pride and respect .
There is no respect, at least from French commander, it's only a lying pose. He asked Magua later to finish Monroe while Bristish are outside the fort so he can kill him with someone's else hands while imitating peace. Scene shows hypocrisy, lies and brutality of colonial commanders.
@@woolfyx Well, all of this in the movie and the book is certainly absurd and not true.
The French General shown in this scene is Louis Joseph de Montcalm who fought in the French and Indian war. The battle in this scene is real. The battle of Fort William Henry.
After the surrender, Montcalm actually entertained his adversaries with food and drink. But the indians scorned at this. When the British left, the Indians were very disappointed since they didnt manage to get their "honors of war" which was the scalps of dead people, and all their belongings. Montcalm did not like their savage ways and chose to fight "European style" instead of taking cover and picking off your enemies.
During the real massacre, it was the Indians who did it on their own initiative not Montcalm.
But did you know during the real massacre, Montcalm rode to the retreating British and did all his best to stop the Indians attacking them? Now that is a respectable enemy.
Sadly he was mortally wounded at the Battle of the Plains of Abraham September 13th 1759 and died.
@@AbrahamLincoln4 I was just about to respond to the original comment exactly how you did. You have saved me half a day writing and I thank you.
One thing you missed out is the English left the fought with just the clothes on their backs. Totally unarmed.
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Old school Europe was so cool
Every scene from this movie is a painting. Amazing.
The French general has class.
He's an officer and a gentleman. To behave in any other way would reflect on France.
Thank you.
He died in battle 2 years later, along with the British commander at that battle, Wolfe.
Then a few scenes later he hands them over to Magua for a blood bath. Hehe!
It's fascinating and intriguing how history plays itself out. Obviously (according to this movies interpretation of history) the French are far less rigid and more tolerant of other peoples, their differences, etc. than the British were. I'm pretty sure that was actually true at the time.
I've heard of many French pioneers who romanced and intermarried among the Native Americans, without repercussion, etc.
Watching this movie actually makes me wish that the French (with their far less rigid and more tolerant policies, etc) not only got to keep Northeastern Canada (but were also able run the British out of the American Colonies, etc). Obviously that could (and would) never happen.
What a nice way to salute.
Well ... I still prefer the British one ;)
Other people noted the different ways of saluting showed a lot about both cultures. The Frenchman’s salute was flamboyant, much like the French culture. Munro’s salute was simple, yet dignified.
Although he only makes a small appearance in the film reading the Webb letter, Louis Antoine de Bougainville is a very interesting guy. He would go on to be a noted explorer, then fight in the American revolution, and finally a senator in the Napoleon regime.
Wow, nice.
Thats why Michael Mann included him in the film!!
I heard a Pacific island is named after de Bougainville along with a certain plant.
Damn what a fucking life
@@jamesjavellana5 Yes, Bougainville Island east of Papua New Guinea, and Bougainvillea a whole genus of vines, bushes and trees.
I fucking love that French Generals bow!
Yes Me Too He's So Respectful On English Forces
Death and honour are thought to be the same.......but today i have learned that sometimes they are not.
The scene would be more realistic if they were speaking french as it was the international language at this time.
Really? Wow.
Not everyone spoke French at the time... Even when John Adams met with the French, he did not speak the language.
@@ffjsb and he was seen as a crazy/weird guy for that, every court, every noble in any kingdom was teach to spook french as france was seen as the country of king, the eldest daughter of the church, it was a language of gentlemen so every gentlemen should know it, heck even in russia at the time of napoleon most nobleman and woman spoke french, tsar nicholas did say to napoleon "je hais les anglais autant que vous" "i hate the english as much as you "
*today
No not really. French was the language of choice in some of mainland Europe's Royal Courts (Russia for example) but I wouldn't call it the international language.
Meanwhile back in Ireland Barry Lyndon was considering whether he should join the army and fight in this war.
As victorious, always be generous with the defeated. It pays.
Magua:
"I'm gonna end this man's whole career."
-"I'm gonna end this man's whole career."- correction: "I'm bout to end this man's whole career"
I hate Magua.
@P T Correction "Magua bout to end this man's whole career,"
remember - Magua does not exist in the 1st person- He is a BogeyMan in everyone's minnd
@@Rowlph8888 I'm dead.lol
British regimental flags look so cool
Indeed.
Montcalm was a very inspiringly decent man throughout that war including in the battle with Wolfe in Quebec when both generals perished. If I went to Quebec I would visit both sites of the fallen with equal respect
What a wonderful piece of the film this is. Its very engaging. Also a part in a brilliant film as a whole.
An elegant time for a more civilized age
Munro and his officers were disappointed that General Daniel Webb of Fort Edward refused to send reinforcements and instead told them to surrender. Webb was later criticized as a coward. Webb's decision is not of cowardice but out of military practicality. He believed the words of a captured French deserter that Fort William Henry was besieged by 11,000 strong French army under General Louis Joseph de Montcalm where it was actually composed only 6200 French soldiers and militia along with 1800 Native American warriors. If he send any of his estimated 1600 men to relive Fort William Henry, the outcome would be the same. Fort Edward was the last line of defense for Albany, capital of British North America and sending reinforcement to a battle that already been lost would severely weakened Fort Edward's strength in defending Albany. He decided to maintain Fort Edward's strength and gave up Fort William Henry.
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Wasn't Fort William Henry built to solidify British control over Crown Point? Losing that ment the French and Indians running wild.
He does have a bad rep; but there's probably something he could have done. A besieging army is actually extremely vulnerable to surprise attacks. But you're likely right, and it would have been a small chance.
The British commander of the battle of Fort Carillon, James Abercrombie, has a similarly ruined reputation because his stupid frontal attack on the French fort with no supporting artillery basically doomed his force. In reality, he was a logistical genius who managed to get 15000 men, their supplies and guns through dense wilderness with no issues at all. The man was clearly in the wrong job and should have been handling the campaign logistics, not leading any battles. It's likely his subordinate, who was unfortunately killed in a skirmish before the big fight, was the one who advised him on military matters. It just kind of goes to show you have to read into things sometimes.
@@AtheAetheling Very valid point except for one: the Batte of Carillon was not against the Fort itself. It was 3/4 of a mile outward. Abercrombie made a full-frontal attack on a French breastwork reinforced by artillery.
Bowing like a frog....now THAT’S soldiering!
-Sir Henry Simmerson
Ofcourse the Frenchman has the fancier salute
death and honor are only the same if you have regrets, these soldiers had nothing to be sorry for; your pride remains untarnished when you have done your duty.
I will bow to my opponent like the French General on my next Karate match, btw why didnt France keep those Flags, the grey blue and white with the Fleur de lis is just exquisite, levely elegant flag and those soldiera uniforms are just soo elegant, no wonder the French have a high fashion talents, Vive la France 😘
Actually, the French flag is not the left one, this was the flag of French's colony in America, called "nouvelle France" (New France). The French kingdom flag was white with fleur de lys.
Vive la France
As to why they didn't keep those flags: The fleur de lis was a symbol of the French royal family and the king. During a little domestic disturbance known as the French Revolution such symbols of the nobility and royalty fell very far out of favor. As part of the new republican France that The Revolution was trying to create the symbols of the old order of the Kingdom of France were done away with and the first version of the modern Tricolour flag was adopted.
@@scelestishyjal2170 Wrong. That's a regimental flag. The flag of New france was the coat or arms of the royal navy, which was similar to the french flag
@@Leesoldier12 Absolutely, those are regimental flags in New France and there are by this time, a number of highly decorated French regiments exist within New France.
Incredible defence of french soldiers in America . Vive le Québec et Vive la France
Vive la France et vive le Québec!
Etienne Ouellet esti, chalice. vous avez le petit Quebec. Nous avons le Canada. Montreal est le seulement chose interessant de Quebec.
Voulez-vous dire en anglais?
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The French kicked total ass in this movie.
3:47 My compliments, Sir!! Take care the women!!
See now that is how a man acts. Does everything within his power to not have to fight, to not have to have his men suffer, die. Only until it’s absolutely necessary.
man the brits were pros at parading and formations
But it is no use in the North American wilderness.
They still are.
2019🇿🇦 can’t resist this scene
Dude thanks 🇫🇷, I'm French, currently in Poland for an internship and I'm moving to South Africa in a couple of months to join my cousins there and also to study in Stellenbosch. XD
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Wow, what a nice guy...
Maybe. He could have said,"good bye" to them because he did not want to feed them or clean up after them after they were in his prison barge.
This is how we should always conduct civil matters. Face to face with empathy and knowledge
One thing that I still don't know: did Montcalm sanction Magua's attack later on? The little bit of dialogue that comes in the next scene gives only a hint that Montcalm would not want to fight the same men again. This doesn't necessarily mean the same as "OK, Magua, go slaughter a whole bunch of Europeans..."
No, historically, Montcalm did not sanction the attack.They surrendered, and he gave them his word they could return to England and their farms unmolested. Its still a subject of debate how much he actually tried to prevent it happening though.
The film hints at this too. Note that as the British and the French parlay, the camera cuts to Magua and his tribe a few times. You can imagine how alien this ritual is to them - to make niceties and let your sworn enemy just leave - instead of destroying them utterly. The cultural tension is palpable.
actually the french were at the scene when the huron attacked, they were unaware what was going to happen, they assisted british officers as much as possible, it also caused a falling out between huron and french.
The Hurons were allies. They were not under Montcalm's command.
@@puffinpal Montcalm also hated the Amerindians too, much like Wolfe. This is why Montcalm did what he did in regards to the surrendering force of Munro - because that's how Europeans were expected to act. The same could not be said about the Natives, which is why he loathed them. Also, the British were expected to return to Albany and not fight for a year - not return to England.
@@OscarDirlwood The French did not sanction the attack. They tried to guard the British but the French guards were outnumbered. The Huron were promised plunder and were upset the British left with their possessions. The Huron attacked to gain the guns, clothing and other possessions of the British.
wow this has lots of extra dialogue... compared to my VHS copy
Filmed on Lake James in North Carolina.
Harotio Nelson was born on the 29th September 1758. In North Norfolk in the Village of Burnham Thorpe.
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Montcalm gave a righteous salute!
Monsieur le Marquis, before I accept your terms, I must consult Obadiah Hakeswill.
"The holders of this fort would look smart in spanking new red uniforms." 💂♂️
French Native auxiliaries be like “lol, gonna get me one of those coats!”
Colonel Monroe: Wait a minute homie, we get to keep our guns and flags??? Aight man you can have the hood, I'm out......lol
Being Alive in the flesh.
To think these two powers come from Barbarian-like beginnings fighting in battle naked with face paint is crazy when comparing it to this.
@D Anemon This is 2000 years after they were fiighting with face paint. besides, when the Celtic Fought with paint, they wore clothes. By the time the Anglo-Saxons and Frankish were Settling in to each landmass and integrating, no more paint and fully clothed (e.g. 4th century A.D. +). The Brits and French both have Celtic, Gallo-Roman and Germanic blood
The British were not permitted to keep their arms, after the surrender the unarmed British were under French protection and still they were ambushed. However unlike what is portrayed in the film, it wasn't a total massacre. Of the 1800 or so who left the fort, a few hundred were killed by the Huron. Those sick and wounded who couldn't make the march remained in the fort, the Huron immediately murdered and scalped them, and not necessarily in that order. Savages.
From what I gather, Montcalm let them keep their weapons but only just enough ammo for self defence, but not war. Not a bad gesture if true, surely?
He did that hoping Magua would get shot. You could tell Montecalm was being very crafty in setting them up@@stuartpearce9151
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Great movie
général Montcalm was an upright, honest man whose honor and respect were values for him. He certainly did not suspect the slaughter that followed, otherwise he would have done anything to avoid it.
Le général Montcalm était un homme droit, intégre dont l'honneur et le respect étaient pour lui des valeurs. Il ne se doutait certainement pas du massacre qui suivit sinon il aurait tout fait pour l'éviter.
I agree on all points except he knew the ambush would take place but could not stop it nor carried to because he knew he would have to face those same troops again.
@@drob762 The terms of the agreement specified that the British were to be protected by the French from the Indians. Montcalm talked to the Indians before the surrender to make certain they understood the terms that had been granted to the British.
As the British began their march, the Indians attacked them. Montcalm and other French officers did their best to protect the British. Other French officers pointedly refused to offer any aid to the unarmed British. Estimates of British slain that day vary wildly from 200-1500 with most historians today coming down on the low end of the scale. The Indians took many of the British captive. Montcalm succeeded in ransoming 500 of them and turning them over to the British garrison at Fort Edward on August 15, 1757. The massacre hardened British and American attitudes towards the French and the Indians, and convinced them that a more vigorous prosecution of the war was essential.
almostchosenpeople.wordpress.com/2010/05/23/fort-william-henry-massacre/
Note that the British were unarmed. Rifles but no ammunition or bayonets, surrendering these were part of the agreement. They knew about the ambush beforehand as Munro tried to leave quietly at midnight but the Indians were waiting. The French did not really stop the attack as they feared the Indians turning on them. Montcalm did his best but wouldn’t sacrifice his limited number of troops on protecting the British.
Not a more iconic movie scene since
The French Captain that read the intercepted dispatches was en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Antoine_de_Bougainville
How Western civilization conducted its wars.
Including the 60+ millions who died during World War II
@@TheWinterShadow Can you clarify?
@@TheWinterShadow Neither Germany nor Japan were "Western Civilization." They ATTACKED Western Civilization.
Kabinettskriege.
Anyone here 2021?
Patrice Chereau was a handsome man.
Granted, Monsieur.
There's no such thing as a safe place in war and apparently the surrendering with honor means nothing fight to the death or let your captives decide your fate peace and strength be with all
That would be "captors", not captives.
If only the French and mohawks were there, surrendering would have worked, but there was a murderous Huron tribe involved.
Once I start flying I’m going to be personally visiting every government worker
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Yeah yeah... see you in Quebec, Montcalm. ;)
And, as always, the British go back on their word. Truly, the perfidious Albion
What part are you referring to? When the British went back on their word earlier and wouldn't let the colonists leave?
They certainly never went back on their word later because they were killed on the way out.
Vive la Québec français et vive le général montcalm
Je me souviens!
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If only this had ended the war in the French's favor.
France's
The American Crusader Then the United States wouldn’t exist.
Would have done you no good, you can not grasp English as it is! haha!
The French only had 70,000 people in New France compared to one million British colonists. The French and Indian War was only one part of the Seven Years War that was tying up French and British resources on an international basis. The French were definitely the underdog in North America.
You couldn’t have asked for better terms unless he wanted his daughters to marry into the French Royal Family.
during the time period that contains least amount of savage elements in warfare
What is the song that the children are singing when magua comes to french general
What was this like 3/4 through?
Montcalm Is A Handsome French General
Question for any in command situation is a leader to support the defense of the people or negotiate for the people to survive I love the army I feel as long as the army takes the death and the people live job well done mates but please tell me any ever been in charge do you put the safety of the people into negotiations that are not in paper
Munro has to surrender, he has no choice.
STEVE P Not really. He and his men could've gone down fighting. Of course, either way Montcalm gets the fort, but Munro goes out with his honor intact.
And his heart still in his chest.
can you tell me which regiments are the english and french flags?
It’s British flags not English and the British officer Munro was a Scotsman.
No idea if the movie got it right but these were actually there:
"During the winter of 1756-57, Fort William Henry was garrisoned by several hundred men from the 44th Foot under Major Will Eyre. Eyre and his men were replaced by Lieutenant Colonel George Monro and the 35th Foot in the spring. Monro established his headquarters in the entrenched camp, where most of his men were located.
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The Indians that assembled at Montreal were sent south to Fort Carillon, where they joined the French regiments of Béarn and Royal Roussillon under François-Charles de Bourlamaque, and those of La Sarre, Guyenne, Languedoc, and la Reine under François de Gaston, Chevalier de Lévis. Combined with the troupes de la marine, militia companies, and the arriving Indians, the force accumulated at Carillon amounted to 8,000 men."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Fort_William_Henry
@@r.f.4280 But his troops most likely came from Ireland: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/35th_(Royal_Sussex)_Regiment_of_Foot
Seems the movie got the color wrong. Munro should have had an orange flag for his 'Orange lillies' as his regiment was nicknamed. (I'm colorblind but neither of those British flags look orange to me.)
This is the correct one: www.diggerhistory.info/images/flags/gb-35ft2.gif
@D Anemon Those are clearly professional soldiers, not militia. The militia didn't have uniforms, only the "ceinture fléchée". I even doubt they had a flag.
The white flag with the white cross and gold fleur-de-lys is probably the "Colonel" flag of Royal-Roussillon Regiment. The green and black flag with white cross, gold fleur-de-lys and four crowns is the flag of the Queen's Regiment (Régiment de la Reine). As for the grey and blue, I couldn't find which regiment it represented. French infantry regiments had two flags: a "drapeau d'ordonnance", which bore the white cross and the colours of the regiment and a white "Colonel" flag, which was the flag of the company of the regiment's colonel.
Was the ambush and slaughter of Monroe and his men that happened later in the movie, a conspiracy between the French and the native Americans or was it carried out purely by the natives and the French had no knowledge or part of it?
Neither. Natives were not pleased with the terms of surrender as British soldiers were allowed to take their belongings and weapons with them, this left natives with very little promised loot and scalps. Natives held their own war council, french commander Montcalm intervened and tried to reason with the natives but failed. Natives sacked the fort, killed all the wounded soldiers in the hospital, and finally attacked the fleeing civilians and soldiers. Monro did not actually die in the ambush, he survived.
@@FerreusNRG thanks
I would love to see results, like this but first you must have a public pause, a break, to state your sides, to be clear, to be precise, to choose a place and a person, to stand up for your views. It’s way outta line, especially when it’s been read and recorded nearly 5 months and on. Makes me wonder about your technology. A(ahem Francoighing)
Difficult to say if Montcalm knew what would happen. Speaking as an Englishman....I'd say he probably didn't know. But he's not the only one the movie makes look bad. The entire ambush and assault is inaccurate anyway, but this scene is properly gorgeous.
After it was over, they probably got in their fancy cars and left.
well, Natives needed scalps to prove their victory. A signature was not enough. fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataille_de_Fort_William_Henry#Apr%C3%A8s_le_si%C3%A8ge "Dès lors, les Amérindiens tenteront de massacrer les membres de la garnison. Une première fois ce jour même à William Henry et une seconde fois le 10 août sur la route de Fort Edward. À deux reprises, les Français empêcheront les Amérindiens de commettre ces actes contre les Britanniques. Mais, le 10 août, dans la confusion, les Français interviennent un peu trop tard. Le reste de la colonne arrive sous escorte française à Fort Edward le 14 août et ce, avec Monro lui-même." The French protected the remaining survivors of the garnison.
Here is the English version. The French did their best I think to protect the British soldiers : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Fort_William_Henry#Massacre
@@dominiquebeaulieu I was under the assumption that French guards accompanied the British and did what they could to protect the British against overwhelming numbers. Am I incorrect?
If you watch the scenes with Magua and Montecalm, you can see Montecalm was trying to set up a final clash between Munroe's forces and Magua's men (who were getting a little too big for their britches). That's why he allowed the British to leave the fort fully armed- he was hoping Magua would get taken out in the attack he knew would come. (He saw Magua's hatred for the British, so that was pretty much a dead give away an attack would come.)
Am I’m the only one who can’t hear a noise in the video
Anybody who wears a wig is George Washington.
George Washington did not wear wigs, though. He just powdered his hair.
@@soapmaker2263 I don't think you're old enough to remember.
FILMED WITH A POTATO DUG OUT OF THE GROUND NEAR THE BATTLEFIELD
Spoiler alert: (Actually unnecessary given that this movie's scenes are available right here on TH-cam) That French general was a rat. He just set the British up for an ambush.
incorrect in fact in reality he rescued a fair number of British captives from his native allies.
which race is better?
None, it's just different levels of melanin.
Unless you mean cultures.
There's advantages and disadvantages. I like the outdoors rather than dirty cities, but I don't like bloodthirstiness.
wish the french had won the war. too bad the puritans set up shop here first, eh?
Clinton Reisig Exactly, but you can’t pin t that out or you are a racist! White genocide is becoming more apparent
1757. France had the Monarchy at that time.
The French and Indian War was just one aspect of the international Seven Years war.
You could say that IT was the first world war,as it involved all off the main powers of the time, and was fought on all continents
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The English were and are so arrogant
Not the case...
True, but in this case, he was frustrated at the fact that he was losing the battle, not British arrogance.
The Marquis' bow is very gracious. Munro's nod of the head is dismissive.
Dario Gonzalez I don't see it that way. It's more like the French general is a gentleman and he gives the British general the full salute and respect. The British general is a soldier first and does not like to spend time on courtly salutes. However, his bow to the French general still shows full respect.
I agree with Scott. I never got the sense that it was disrespectful. Just straightforward, literally, and to the point. But what does he say, "glass" or "class"? I could never make it out.
muntu I think he meant glass as in spyglass
You might be right, but in my eyes it's not a perfect fit; which always leaves me in doubt. Do spyglasses, telescopes, microscopes or whatever "seize" (i.e., grasp, control, apprehend) what they're seeing? On the other hand the Marquis' class (i.e., power, ability, competence) could "seize the army of Webb". Either way, do you actually hear "glass", or are you in doubt too and just speculating? I don't hear glass anymore than I do class. Maybe I should dig up the script somewhere.
muntu. That's a new perspective, never thought of it that way.
Webb's dispatch would have been encrypted. The French would not have been able to read it.
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Damn I see you on every video I watch lmao
I never got it. Does he say "glass" or "class"?
muntu glass my good sir
Did you look at the official script, or are you just hearing it?
muntu I heard glass, also Munro mentions to Montcalm how he should figuratively look through his spyglass and see how strong his British Army and Royal Navy reinforcements are on the Hudson River, to which Montcalm refutes with General Webb's letter that mentions he will not be supporting Colonel Munro.
I hear ya, and a I suspect you're right. We were chatting about this a few comments below. "View all 5 replies" to Dario Gonzales. "Class" might work just as well as "glass", perhaps.
muntu true I can see that happening with class, but Scottish dialects are tricky to hear so glass can sometimes sound like class.
And French lost the war still.
Nine years of War outnumbered from the start. It is not dishonorable.
@@thibskywalker4450 And still, France lost mostly because Montcalm wanted to fight battle with european style, line to line, instead of a guerilla warfare like Vaudreil did before him
the English were much more numerous in a much smaller territory
@@thibskywalker4450 France actually had more soldiers at first, but less colonists. So the early war went badly for Britain, as most of its forces were untrained militia. That changed when the British Pitt government pumped more money into the war and sent more troops. It was a bitter struggle either way, but there was no shame in the loss. Fighting wars thousands of miles away is hard.
@@rade6912 Only in terms of colonists. French soldiers actually outnumbered the Briitsh for the early war quite heavily, which is why the British struggled. When Britain decided to send more men to fight and invest in the war proper, France did not, so Montcalm was basically abandoned to die sadly.