Here is the overall problem with Singapore. Mercedes ( Allison ) came out and said, They KNEW tire wear because temp was HIGH, so why on earth would you put Lewis on SCRUBBED SOFTs on a track knowing wear is high AND !!! If you put in traffic early, it's almost impossible to pass at Singapore. It's just stupid. 2nd If George is finished higher it increases popularity, popularity = Sponsorship = More money and better branding image. That's what I believe.
Because George is the kind of guy that goes...piss off with your options, I'm gonna do me. George has actually done the risky thing by going against the initial strategy and follow his own logic. When Lewis got informed of that he should have just done the same.
@@JayQ2kapparently he did. The drivers dont put the tires on their car. You can say no no all you want but once youre sat in the car the tires u have are the tires you have.
@@JayQ2k Lewis said (with George sat by his side at that Petronas event) the team wanted to split strategies. He even goes on to say that it made sense when he was starting further back down but not when they were side by side. Lewis was not getting the same strategy as Russell regardless. If Lewis got on the mediums Russell would get the softs. The question is why get the lead driver on the gamble for a good start (considering Singapore has a short straight from the start) with used softs that would've put him on an early stop anyway, in track where track position and tyre age difference are the main factors (as Mercedes said themselves on their debrief)
@@babyyylol I've heard about that yes. And if nobody raises their hand at an official sponsor event it is probably the correct story line that Lewis shared. In that case if it's on Mercedes then it is really stupid of them. Funny enough it completely fits in how they have acted over these past 10 years. Mercedes can be so rigid in the execution of their plans. I think they know who Lewis is, but still they can ignore the input of any driver since they think they know best. In that regards, Red Bull actually is a better team as they allow for creating strategies on the fly.
An 8 time champion team suddenly can't understand the steering wheel belongs in front of the driver n not behind him ... really - IT'S BEEN FAAAR TOO MANY F-UPS !!!
You don’t have to believe in Lewis sabotage, but to deny the plausibility is ignorant especially in a sport where politics play a major role in it. Also you deny your your first and most successful champion a brand ambassador role but give it to Nico who ditched the team after 1 championships and DC who’s hasn’t done half what Lewis has done for merc don’t be surprised he want to leave to Ferrari.
@@lor7780 congrats, you’ve said a bunch of nonsense. In what way am I shitting on the team. I’ve merely highlighted a plausibility and reasons for Lewis departure
@@FRVRrusshow is it nonsense? Isn't it true? Fanatics will go out their way to make the most ridiculous claims without a spit of evidence just to defend their favorite celebrity. The same shit was happening when Vettel was retiring. Basically every big team on the grid is sabotaging one of their drivers according to some people.
@@FRVRrussMaybe or maybe not he is getting sabotaged but he's not that driver anymore and he will get beat by leclerc then people gonna say Fred was never lewis friend and they sabotaging him to destroy his legacy, watch this space... Lewis is just past his prime
Why would you say that it's justified to sabotage your 7 (should be 8) time champion because he leaving to push up a kid? Wouldn't you want to cement the legacy together as driver and constructor on a high? He's leaving in part due to how they've handled him, and this just confirms it.
You can not look at historical cock ups by Mercedes going back years to either support or disprove what is going on now. Whichever way you look at it, the strategy employed in Singapore is way beyond incompetence, and if you can talk on the one hand about Toto and the team being professional, then you cannot on the other claim its incompetence not deliberation that something darker is not going on. How would the scrubbed softs be of any benefit if there was a safety car. He was third on the grid more than Mercedes had a right to be. If he had started on New mediums, he had a great chance of maintaining 3rd place a gamble on a sfatey car makes sense if he was starting in 10th but not from 3rd Get real. And Mercedes must have discussed the optics of Hamilton leaving at the end of the season having canned Russell. They don't want that.
The reality is that GR cannot finish ahead or win without some kind of assistance including giving his teammate a less advantageous strategy . Mercedes should be worried that it’s no,1 can’t win with his talent unless SLH. I guess they are still clinging to their winning multi championship winners image. Delusional ☹️
I think some of this is a little patronising to those of us who have known and loved this sport for many years. To imply that the majority of Lewis fans believe that this is some kind of petty revenge play on behalf of Toto because Lewis is leaving is arrant nonsense! Of course we don’t think that. Lewis is leaving because ultimately, Toto felt his time was all but up at the team. Lewis therefore looked to his best option to safeguard his continuity in the sport. I’m sure the majority of us believe that there is, if not sabotage occurring (that’s a strong word), there is certainly a skewing of the odds in George’s favour. It’s all about money, courting sponsors and giving an overview that suggests that Mercedes does not stand or fall because of Lewis Hamilton’s presence or absence. From a completely objective standpoint, this makes cold, hard sense. As a Hamilton fan it’s difficult and frustrating to watch sometimes but realistically this was always going to happen. I think what most people are aggrieved about is the pretence on behalf of the team that nothing is in any way untoward. And ultimately that pretence has led to the team, at best, looking incompetent, and at worst, looking completely dishonest. Personally I feel the truth lies somewhere in the middle of the two options but it’s still not a good look for them.
Yes let's pretend russel's engine didn't blow up in silverstone. Let's say that when lewis says his tires aren't working it's because of sabotage but when russel says it it's skill issue. Mmmm yes sAbOtAgE
It’s hard to ignore how Hamilton always seems to be the one in the Mercedes fold who’s race or qualifying is compromised. Maybe it’s something to do with his age, maybe he’s regressing in skill or maybe it’s Mercedes sabotage. One thing that is undeniable that the strategies that Lewis is given week in and and week out is without a doubt questionable. George is clearly getting the rub because he’s staying with the team but Mercedes are doing their best to make Lewis look ordinary heading away from the team. So much for the loyalty and dedication Hamilton give to this team, it’s sad that he’s being disrespected so publicly on his way out the door and Mercedes wouldn’t have half of the credit they’ve mustered in the sport if it wasn’t for Lewis. I don’t see Mercedes being a good team without him. That’s why they’re chasing names to sign to the team like Max. Toto clearly has no faith in his 2025 driver lineup and Russell and Antonelli will be such a midfield team and driver pairing come next year. Unless Merc can get a name like Max, Norris or Piastri I think they’ll go through a decades struggle just like Mclaren did in 2014. They’re also struggling in this era of regs and who’s to say that doesn’t continue at Mercedes in the years to come.
I think Horner is playing chess...... I think Christian is actually playing mind games trying to force Toto into extending George's contract in fear of losing him to RB, therefore Toto won't be in a position to persue Max, resulting in Max staying put.
I don't think its a case of merc not wanting lewis to beat george but that they dont respect Lewis's experience and achievements. Surely after all lewis has achieved with merc and it being his last season with them, you would have thought this season would be one were both sides do everything to make it as memorably amenable as possible.
This is exactly it! Toto mentioned only things he was mad at was fact he didn’t get enough heads up to tell the Investors… Clearly the big money investors were not happy and wasn’t secure with Merc future. Now wants to show them all is good. Bcuz they have a driver like Russell, makes sense as to why go so hard for Max now. Also sending off a driver to a rival team on a high while driver you stuff with going to motions of just getting beat? 😅
This is not about SLH qualy performance. He compensated with a brilliant race performance. But as we have seen in Singapore this is now being undermined by poor strategy choices come race day. It smells rotten imo…..
Max should do a community service together with a couple of rappers, work together to show that they were disrespectful to rappers…maybe a new f1 rapsong?
What reason does Mercedes have to sabotage Lewis? Just look at how bad divorces get. These are human beings. They are emotional. Logic doesn’t rule people.
Indeed... a seven-time world champion doesn't have the weight to decide on his race strategy? Give me a break. He thought he might get a jump on the start-bottling Landalorian and when it didn't work out, "Oh well, the Krauts were just sabotaging me once again." Pathetic!
Listen Merc are a professional team and even i saw his red softs and thought straight away GAME OVER… Even if he´d got in front at the 1st corner it´s over because he´d have to go into Tire Management and back up the whole field for 20 laps ....They want GR to finish the season in front of LH Again Sabotage
Professional or not Toto is butt hurt about Lewis leaving, even though they didn’t want to give him the ambassador roll and more than 1 year on his contract. They have been sabotaging SLH and I believe it’s Toto’s doing.
The softs wouldn't have worked in Singapore because everyone would have pit onto the hards. They aren't trying to sabotage him specifically, they just dont care if his race is ruined anymore so if they want to take a gamble or try a different setup they use him even though its been hurting his races
I really like what Shez said about the denominator. I agree with Baxty “what is the upside of sabotaging a driver?” I agree with Cam questioning Mercs decisions. I truly don’t mean to sound daft but this AMG fall from grace, as Shez say’s could be much simpler than (some of us) want to believe. Lewis & George are getting a lot out of a failed design. And Baxty is dead on regarding MBS - the FIA president should be dealing with ways to bring a shine back to F1s metal.
Need to watch the akkodis debrief for singapore race where james allison said clearly that merc gave gr63 two advantages over slh44. 1 better tire strategy. 2 perfect switch settings for gr63s power unit. Gave a big up to hpp for giving gr63 the perfect switch settings for his power unit. Never gave slh44 those perfect switch settings for slh44 power unit.
Thank you for the vid brother. I would lover to way in on the Hamilton issues. The narrative that this is the issue is incorrect on so many fronts. The fact that they are telling us and Lewis that the reason why he is not doing well in quali is because he is driving wrong essentially is the most obvious proof that merc's primary agenda is to continue their perspective of being dominant in every way, including proving that they have the best driver that beat the best as well. This simply confirms that merc chose to develop the car for ONE driving style. This is such a f'ing middle finger to Lewis because HE was the one to shouldered the bulk of testing to restore them to winning form. They ignored him literally every time. Even then, Lewis was able to have the better of George with Lewis choosing to wake up whenever the chance of a win was there. And if b.s like that crap with Magnusson in Spain in '22 did not happen or the DRS issue in Hungary didn't happen, Lewis would have at least 2 wins. Look how many times we flip our perspective on Lewis. For the entire year, up until his wins, we said George is simply showing that he is better when they have a car that is working well. Then when Lewis won, we were like nope, he is still in there. I will not forget. Let's not allow ourselves to forget as well that the other change they made this year is to allow each other to look at and copy each other's setups if need be, along with the fact that they are not preventing Lewis from doing what truly makes him great which is his Senna like attention to detail. Brundle, Jenson, and even Alonso has confessed that his bread and butter (one of them any way), is his obsession over the tinniest detail and the skills to operate at that level. And the _________ TIRE blanket B.S!! How on earth are we allowing merc to tell us that for the entire year, only Lewis is suffering from a tire blanket issue??? Not even going there right now. Like I said, I will not forget and I see clearly that this what it is. A wealthy business treating this as purely business, for its own interest, and with a complete absence of a moral compass. I promise you. If Max confirms he is ready to move to merc and Andrea confirms his hype, then Russell will leave next year. They will find some way of doing it.
It’s not sabotage in the grandest sense of the word, but like in all workplaces, there is a sense of priority going on in favor of George. This shouldn’t be the case given his historic history (ha) with the team, but given that George is on the team next year, it’s going to happen. Mercedes however will only hurt themselves playing this game… they don’t have a fast enough car to mess with tires, in the year that Mercedes has no idea what’s going on with the tires at that…
It’s surprising that no one has discussed this potential issue from this angle. Why would Mercedes sabotage Lewis Hamilton? From a business perspective, they’ve faced setbacks-declining stock value, diminished confidence in their F1 dominance, and loss of fans. All as a result of Hamilton's Departure. Would It not be in within their best interest to create the false narrative and perception that Hamilton has lost his edge, while George Russell is rising and outperforming him. This would serve to help Mercedes maintain the image of being a championship team, Won't this mitigate the falloff that they're currently experiencing as mentioned above? Food for thought I guess Disclaimer, I'm not saying they are!
I think a lot of people are underestimating sponsor power. LH is a huge pull for sponsorship and investment - GR not so much. Surely Toto is doing exactly what you would expect in business which is thinking of future investment and trying to show sponsors that they have someone in the cockpit that beat 8 x WDC and a potential WDC, no matter how laughable that actually is. Then with Kimi coming in, who already is more exciting than GR. This is sabotage but not for anything other than money and investment.
actually you do hear about it when they give him something contrary.. he says it over the radio ...he expresses his discomfort in the plan... then it works out and he always thanks the team....so what only give them thanks and not criticism?
How is no one talking about Mercedes winning 3/4 Grand Prix before the summer break. Then the braking rule came into effect before the break and now they’re nowhere to be seen? Seems like people been accusing the wrong team of using the inertia valve…
They did the same thing to Lewis is Qatar last year, Lewis was furious on the radio after finding out everyone else was on the Mediums while he was on Softs, I for one couldn't believe it, Mercedes do have history of doing this.
Im not buying incompetence. It’s one thing to get the technical concept wrong but Merc has never made bad strategy calls. Not to this level. In previous seasons they might have one race where they miss the mark on strategy. All of a sudden they can’t put a race weekend together?
With all due respect, I do not agree all LH fans thinks that Toto hates Lewis.. I've been throwing out there that it's about the corporate branding... They cannot show the world and management that they are allowing their "better" driver to leave. This reduce the confidence in the board of directors and investors. Maybe sabotage is too heavy of a word.. More like preferential strategies, to use Lewis to take the riskier strategy than Woody.... that's all.... (DONE RANTING) Thanks.
It’s simple, LH is no longer the lead driver and GR will be prioritized. It’s a clear agenda by Mercedes. Since it’s his final year it’s a no brainer there will be less focus on strategy and giving him the best car weekly. As much as LH has done for the team, There’s no loyalty in the sport. It’s a business at the end of the day
Mercedes had the tactical advantage, they are not in the WDC fight and one of them needed to do something different to make something happen. Lewis was in third ahead of George. Surely it could not have been George in fourth and they gambled with softs on him with the hope he wold get a good enough start to take the lead into turn 1. I bet you had George had been in 3rd he would have been the one to take softs on this gamble and you would all use the same logic I have. But it was Lewis and it did not work, this is why you are mad. Had Russell taken the gamble and it failed, you would not question it.
You honestly think nobody would have questioned the ridiculous idea Merc came up with? REGARDLESS of which driver? It was a STUPID idea ...SOFT SCRUBBED tires...HOT, HOT Singapore...to name just two stupids. Come on!
Like with most things, the truth is usually somewhere in the middle of contrasting arguments. Outright sabotage is probably too strong to proclaim but making sure preferential treatment goes to the future lead driver in the team makes sense on so many levels (Political, Financial + even on a Petty level). Lewis finishing on less points works well for Merc from a financial perspective in regards to trying to keep and attract sponsors ("hey look, we're not washed without Lewis"). It also works politically because as an organisation, the remaining staff are ALWAYS seen as more priority than outgoing. And lastly the way that Lewis left has brought so much bad press to Merc that on a petty level, most influential staff would probably prefer to not see a triumphant exit for Lewis (ie. whitewashing George and asserting dominance)
If Lewis goes out on a high and beats GR wouldn’t some people have to answer(to their board, shareholders, fans) why they let him go? Especially since Lewis wanted to stay!
@@JDeadwylerlies Toto is the major part of while Lewis is leaving. Toto can convince them to hold onto Lewis he didn't. Horner doesn't even have a stake in Redbull yet and he has convinced the Austrian to let him run things his way. When David Coulthard is a Mercedes ambassador but Toto refused to give Lewis, yea that's tecky.
Yeah i wasnt impressed by Lando's drive in Singapore, he drove well I'll give him that but he did what the car was supposed to do in that race. Also lol I've been saying it and Me and Peter Windsor agree that Oscar is going to "Ricciardo" Lando Norris and may end up leaving because you can be #1 when the other guy is just as fast and more ruthless
Guys being really naive here. "Why oh why would a team hurt one of their drivers. Its illogical". When thats normal in a political money driven entertainment spectacle like F1.
So miss Niki Lauda right now, they wouldn’t have DARED! Merc has a responsibility to treat he one who gave them 8 constructors!! So done with F1. Well, at least until Ferrari in 2025!!
This is the main reason why Lewis decided to leave the team don't listen to him at all, the team obviously can't make a good race strategy for Lewis. George does what he likes and makes his own decisions why isn't Lewis doing the same thing? Lewis is being way too soft especially as he's leaving this year. The team obviously don't give sh!t about Lewis anymore.
Did Shez just try to suggest that this MBS character was possibly brilliant, playing 3D chess, with his racism and ignorance (giving the no such thing as bad publicity jazz)?
Here's a reason to sabotage lewis. Wolff is a share holder of Merc F1. The 7 time world champ leaving will likely have a massive impact on sponsorship revenue and Merc F1 value. That hurts Toto's pocket directly. How about that for a reason? :)
Ever since Niki died it really shows how clueless Mercedes is, ever since Mercedes have been nothing but mediocre. Toto is has become the weakest link for Mercedes, maybe he always has been but the absence of Lauda and others who made him look is clearly showing!
Hey my brother sir lewis Hamilton say it's fault of what is going because he don't to let them look bad..but bro he is getting the dig from Mercedes hands down
It's all done to make Russell look good because he will be their number 1 next year and they will be needing sponsors. Can't look at Lewis' data no more so when he is lost he literally will be. I would love Antonelli to beat him.
It’s hard to say what is true. It’s always talks afterwards. Charles is also like that. If Lewis really wants something I think Mercedes will say okay it’s your call we will do it. I think it’s somewhere in the middle though. Lewis probably has an idea, Mercedes convinces him otherwise, he agrees and afterwards say his initial idea was better. We have seen George making calls and they adepted the strat. We see Max do such things all the time and Carlos too. You hear them say what the want instead of asking the question: “Are you sure it is the right strategy?”. What do you expect the team will say? “Oh no you are right we just looked at the numbers but I think you are right the strategy we came up with completely sucks. What do you want?” Lando or Max better race. Lando made a few mistakes that could have ended his race. Lando his car was quick but he wasn’t super focused in my opinion.
Remove the in articulate from your Channel Cameron. This without, out. Rhythm mastery charisma and knowledge together is mesmerising and that is your Chanel strength, drop these half beat chaps with todays goatees I want passion commitment drive enthusiasm and go get it like you do so don’t dilute your brand for the sake of volume, your are rare different special and bring one into a zone a chamber a escape so do not introduce the humdrum Sir. Oh and I note one Peter X Windsor is actually using Camerisms on his Chanel. Signing off from Daniel town ( true )
Who is the better driver is hilarious. Neither of the 3 seem to know why Max has no equal in Lando. Alluded to it yes (car is coming to Max when it is more 'on the nose'), but there is a reason why that is better. On the nose (oversteer) puts the onus on the driver, making the equation more close to 60% car - 40% driver. On the rear (understeer) puts it on the car, making it more close to 80-20. The better driver thus gets rewarded with more feedback from the car making the drivers inputs all that more important....and thus........Max is, with an Oscar and a Charles (and hopefully one of the new guys) in a complete different league compared to the understeer drivers.
Lewis is not friends with many drivers. Lando and Verstappen knew what other drivers were wearing. Lewis is an island so he trusts his team and rarely insists just blames.
Is that that same Sir Lewis Carl Davidson Hamilton who went to Brackley last year to read the riot act to those damned Kraut engineers? Now he's whining about some strategists sabotaging him? What a tosser... buona fortuna, Ferrari! 😂
Maybe this is just a British thing! I don’t understand the amount of extra effort to play devils advocate for Mercedes. It’s like nothing you guys say in defense sounds logically sound. How does a expertise driver like Lewis Hamilton Go from always being in top three in practice to falling to 10th Pl.every time he qualifies! The man is averaging seventh or eighth place and qualifying while practice. He is top three. Lewis Hamilton literally keeps telling you that’s something is wrong. You think a man who has spent 20 years in this sport doesn’t feel every minute change in the car.
It may not be sabotage but the reason for the speculation is because it doesn’t seem to happen to George anywhere near as often
Here is the overall problem with Singapore. Mercedes ( Allison ) came out and said, They KNEW tire wear because temp was HIGH, so why on earth would you put Lewis on SCRUBBED SOFTs on a track knowing wear is high AND !!! If you put in traffic early, it's almost impossible to pass at Singapore. It's just stupid. 2nd If George is finished higher it increases popularity, popularity = Sponsorship = More money and better branding image. That's what I believe.
Regarding the race on Sunday, why wasn't George on the risky strategy? Given Lewis was the lead car.
Because George is the kind of guy that goes...piss off with your options, I'm gonna do me. George has actually done the risky thing by going against the initial strategy and follow his own logic. When Lewis got informed of that he should have just done the same.
@@JayQ2kapparently he did. The drivers dont put the tires on their car. You can say no no all you want but once youre sat in the car the tires u have are the tires you have.
@@omargraham8591 agreed, but the definitive tire can be changed up to some 5 minutes before the start. And George did it, so Lewis could to.
@@JayQ2k Lewis said (with George sat by his side at that Petronas event) the team wanted to split strategies. He even goes on to say that it made sense when he was starting further back down but not when they were side by side. Lewis was not getting the same strategy as Russell regardless. If Lewis got on the mediums Russell would get the softs. The question is why get the lead driver on the gamble for a good start (considering Singapore has a short straight from the start) with used softs that would've put him on an early stop anyway, in track where track position and tyre age difference are the main factors (as Mercedes said themselves on their debrief)
@@babyyylol I've heard about that yes. And if nobody raises their hand at an official sponsor event it is probably the correct story line that Lewis shared.
In that case if it's on Mercedes then it is really stupid of them. Funny enough it completely fits in how they have acted over these past 10 years. Mercedes can be so rigid in the execution of their plans. I think they know who Lewis is, but still they can ignore the input of any driver since they think they know best.
In that regards, Red Bull actually is a better team as they allow for creating strategies on the fly.
Its clearly that Mercedes does not want Lewis to beat George
You people are truly pathetic. There's nothing more to say.
An 8 time champion team suddenly can't understand the steering wheel belongs in front of the driver n not behind him ... really - IT'S BEEN FAAAR TOO MANY F-UPS !!!
This the same thing that went on at McLaren with J.B. Toto Wolff = Martin Whitmarsh
You don’t have to believe in Lewis sabotage, but to deny the plausibility is ignorant especially in a sport where politics play a major role in it. Also you deny your your first and most successful champion a brand ambassador role but give it to Nico who ditched the team after 1 championships and DC who’s hasn’t done half what Lewis has done for merc don’t be surprised he want to leave to Ferrari.
Shit on the team when things don't go your driver's way and praise the driver like a god when they do. Typical
@@lor7780 congrats, you’ve said a bunch of nonsense. In what way am I shitting on the team. I’ve merely highlighted a plausibility and reasons for Lewis departure
@@FRVRrusshow is it nonsense? Isn't it true? Fanatics will go out their way to make the most ridiculous claims without a spit of evidence just to defend their favorite celebrity. The same shit was happening when Vettel was retiring. Basically every big team on the grid is sabotaging one of their drivers according to some people.
@@FRVRrussMaybe or maybe not he is getting sabotaged but he's not that driver anymore and he will get beat by leclerc then people gonna say Fred was never lewis friend and they sabotaging him to destroy his legacy, watch this space... Lewis is just past his prime
@@GhostonTH-cam201x I disagree but only time will tell
What about Merc loosing sponsorship when Lewis leaves
What sponsorship?
You are talking about MERCEDES, the most prestigious brand ever, a brand that will NEVER be short of sponsors.
@@mrhypobaric2532 of course not ,but Lewis is also leaving with a huge chunk of sponsors
Why would you say that it's justified to sabotage your 7 (should be 8) time champion because he leaving to push up a kid? Wouldn't you want to cement the legacy together as driver and constructor on a high? He's leaving in part due to how they've handled him, and this just confirms it.
I honestly think Antonelli is overrated for now..Mer would be better with Ocon or even Fittipaldi
You can not look at historical cock ups by Mercedes going back years to either support or disprove what is going on now. Whichever way you look at it, the strategy employed in Singapore is way beyond incompetence, and if you can talk on the one hand about Toto and the team being professional, then you cannot on the other claim its incompetence not deliberation that something darker is not going on. How would the scrubbed softs be of any benefit if there was a safety car. He was third on the grid more than Mercedes had a right to be. If he had started on New mediums, he had a great chance of maintaining 3rd place a gamble on a sfatey car makes sense if he was starting in 10th but not from 3rd Get real. And Mercedes must have discussed the optics of Hamilton leaving at the end of the season having canned Russell. They don't want that.
That's the kind of mistake a 10 year old would make
The reality is that GR cannot finish ahead or win without some kind of assistance including giving his teammate a less advantageous strategy . Mercedes should be worried that it’s no,1 can’t win with his talent unless SLH. I guess they are still clinging to their winning multi championship winners image. Delusional ☹️
I think some of this is a little patronising to those of us who have known and loved this sport for many years. To imply that the majority of Lewis fans believe that this is some kind of petty revenge play on behalf of Toto because Lewis is leaving is arrant nonsense! Of course we don’t think that. Lewis is leaving because ultimately, Toto felt his time was all but up at the team. Lewis therefore looked to his best option to safeguard his continuity in the sport. I’m sure the majority of us believe that there is, if not sabotage occurring (that’s a strong word), there is certainly a skewing of the odds in George’s favour. It’s all about money, courting sponsors and giving an overview that suggests that Mercedes does not stand or fall because of Lewis Hamilton’s presence or absence. From a completely objective standpoint, this makes cold, hard sense. As a Hamilton fan it’s difficult and frustrating to watch sometimes but realistically this was always going to happen. I think what most people are aggrieved about is the pretence on behalf of the team that nothing is in any way untoward. And ultimately that pretence has led to the team, at best, looking incompetent, and at worst, looking completely dishonest. Personally I feel the truth lies somewhere in the middle of the two options but it’s still not a good look for them.
@jackieoconnor4926
I agree
Incredibly well worded take! I would pin your comment if I could.
If the incompetence is only effecting one side of the garage 90% of the time, when does it become sabotage?
Yes let's pretend russel's engine didn't blow up in silverstone. Let's say that when lewis says his tires aren't working it's because of sabotage but when russel says it it's skill issue. Mmmm yes sAbOtAgE
Sure dude…. Keep dreaming.
@@lor7780GR engine blew up cause they had it on over boost quali mode all race just to beat Lewis
@@lor7780GR never finished a raced ahead of or where he started at since 🤣🤣🤣👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@@lor7780 Hamilton had a mechanical dnf in Australia too
It’s hard to ignore how Hamilton always seems to be the one in the Mercedes fold who’s race or qualifying is compromised. Maybe it’s something to do with his age, maybe he’s regressing in skill or maybe it’s Mercedes sabotage. One thing that is undeniable that the strategies that Lewis is given week in and and week out is without a doubt questionable. George is clearly getting the rub because he’s staying with the team but Mercedes are doing their best to make Lewis look ordinary heading away from the team. So much for the loyalty and dedication Hamilton give to this team, it’s sad that he’s being disrespected so publicly on his way out the door and Mercedes wouldn’t have half of the credit they’ve mustered in the sport if it wasn’t for Lewis. I don’t see Mercedes being a good team without him. That’s why they’re chasing names to sign to the team like Max. Toto clearly has no faith in his 2025 driver lineup and Russell and Antonelli will be such a midfield team and driver pairing come next year. Unless Merc can get a name like Max, Norris or Piastri I think they’ll go through a decades struggle just like Mclaren did in 2014. They’re also struggling in this era of regs and who’s to say that doesn’t continue at Mercedes in the years to come.
Whenever there’s billions of pounds involved don’t expect anything to be done fairly, especially in F1
I think Horner is playing chess...... I think Christian is actually playing mind games trying to force Toto into extending George's contract in fear of losing him to RB, therefore Toto won't be in a position to persue Max, resulting in Max staying put.
Let us get tecky.
1st time - Coincidence
2nd time - Incompetence
3rd time - Sabotage
@@tekkerz3183ZIIIIINNNGGG !!!
I don't think its a case of merc not wanting lewis to beat george but that they dont respect Lewis's experience and achievements. Surely after all lewis has achieved with merc and it being his last season with them, you would have thought this season would be one were both sides do everything to make it as memorably amenable as possible.
How about to justify to investors and sponsors that letting him go was the right call.
This is exactly it! Toto mentioned only things he was mad at was fact he didn’t get enough heads up to tell the Investors… Clearly the big money investors were not happy and wasn’t secure with Merc future. Now wants to show them all is good. Bcuz they have a driver like Russell, makes sense as to why go so hard for Max now. Also sending off a driver to a rival team on a high while driver you stuff with going to motions of just getting beat? 😅
This is not about SLH qualy performance. He compensated with a brilliant race performance. But as we have seen in Singapore this is now being undermined by poor strategy choices come race day. It smells rotten imo…..
Max should do a community service together with a couple of rappers, work together to show that they were disrespectful to rappers…maybe a new f1 rapsong?
What reason does Mercedes have to sabotage Lewis? Just look at how bad divorces get. These are human beings. They are emotional. Logic doesn’t rule people.
Nonsense the guy is an 7 time worldchampion if he wants mediums then he get mediums it’s just an excuse
N yet the team agreed it was their fault Don't be s****
Indeed... a seven-time world champion doesn't have the weight to decide on his race strategy? Give me a break. He thought he might get a jump on the start-bottling Landalorian and when it didn't work out, "Oh well, the Krauts were just sabotaging me once again." Pathetic!
So you think....This is not RB with Max
How you would expect those 2 straight hair to say what it DEFENATLY obvious
Listen Merc are a professional team and even i saw his red softs and thought straight away GAME OVER… Even if he´d got in front at the 1st corner it´s over because he´d have to go into Tire Management and back up the whole field for 20 laps ....They want GR to finish the season in front of LH Again Sabotage
Professional or not Toto is butt hurt about Lewis leaving, even though they didn’t want to give him the ambassador roll and more than 1 year on his contract. They have been sabotaging SLH and I believe it’s Toto’s doing.
BLAA BLA BLA so now your saying Lewis is to stupid to drive a car really...
Nobody know's and nobody will ever tell you differently.
By the way loved the end of the video it was 🔥🔥🔥
Believe what you want.Lewis is being screw at Mercedes in his last season with them.
The softs wouldn't have worked in Singapore because everyone would have pit onto the hards.
They aren't trying to sabotage him specifically, they just dont care if his race is ruined anymore so if they want to take a gamble or try a different setup they use him even though its been hurting his races
The THREE of you together are the BEST ❤🎉
I really like what Shez said about the denominator. I agree with Baxty “what is the upside of sabotaging a driver?” I agree with Cam questioning Mercs decisions. I truly don’t mean to sound daft but this AMG fall from grace, as Shez say’s could be much simpler than (some of us) want to believe. Lewis & George are getting a lot out of a failed design. And Baxty is dead on regarding MBS - the FIA president should be dealing with ways to bring a shine back to F1s metal.
Guy in the middle be like: “well
Actually 🤓…”
Need to watch the akkodis debrief for singapore race where james allison said clearly that merc gave gr63 two advantages over slh44. 1 better tire strategy. 2 perfect switch settings for gr63s power unit. Gave a big up to hpp for giving gr63 the perfect switch settings for his power unit. Never gave slh44 those perfect switch settings for slh44 power unit.
Thank you for the vid brother.
I would lover to way in on the Hamilton issues. The narrative that this is the issue is incorrect on so many fronts. The fact that they are telling us and Lewis that the reason why he is not doing well in quali is because he is driving wrong essentially is the most obvious proof that merc's primary agenda is to continue their perspective of being dominant in every way, including proving that they have the best driver that beat the best as well.
This simply confirms that merc chose to develop the car for ONE driving style. This is such a f'ing middle finger to Lewis because HE was the one to shouldered the bulk of testing to restore them to winning form. They ignored him literally every time. Even then, Lewis was able to have the better of George with Lewis choosing to wake up whenever the chance of a win was there. And if b.s like that crap with Magnusson in Spain in '22 did not happen or the DRS issue in Hungary didn't happen, Lewis would have at least 2 wins.
Look how many times we flip our perspective on Lewis. For the entire year, up until his wins, we said George is simply showing that he is better when they have a car that is working well. Then when Lewis won, we were like nope, he is still in there. I will not forget. Let's not allow ourselves to forget as well that the other change they made this year is to allow each other to look at and copy each other's setups if need be, along with the fact that they are not preventing Lewis from doing what truly makes him great which is his Senna like attention to detail.
Brundle, Jenson, and even Alonso has confessed that his bread and butter (one of them any way), is his obsession over the tinniest detail and the skills to operate at that level.
And the _________ TIRE blanket B.S!! How on earth are we allowing merc to tell us that for the entire year, only Lewis is suffering from a tire blanket issue??? Not even going there right now.
Like I said, I will not forget and I see clearly that this what it is. A wealthy business treating this as purely business, for its own interest, and with a complete absence of a moral compass. I promise you. If Max confirms he is ready to move to merc and Andrea confirms his hype, then Russell will leave next year. They will find some way of doing it.
It’s not sabotage in the grandest sense of the word, but like in all workplaces, there is a sense of priority going on in favor of George. This shouldn’t be the case given his historic history (ha) with the team, but given that George is on the team next year, it’s going to happen. Mercedes however will only hurt themselves playing this game… they don’t have a fast enough car to mess with tires, in the year that Mercedes has no idea what’s going on with the tires at that…
It’s surprising that no one has discussed this potential issue from this angle. Why would Mercedes sabotage Lewis Hamilton? From a business perspective, they’ve faced setbacks-declining stock value, diminished confidence in their F1 dominance, and loss of fans. All as a result of Hamilton's Departure. Would It not be in within their best interest to create the false narrative and perception that Hamilton has lost his edge, while George Russell is rising and outperforming him. This would serve to help Mercedes maintain the image of being a championship team, Won't this mitigate the falloff that they're currently experiencing as mentioned above? Food for thought I guess
Disclaimer, I'm not saying they are!
I think a lot of people are underestimating sponsor power. LH is a huge pull for sponsorship and investment - GR not so much. Surely Toto is doing exactly what you would expect in business which is thinking of future investment and trying to show sponsors that they have someone in the cockpit that beat 8 x WDC and a potential WDC, no matter how laughable that actually is. Then with Kimi coming in, who already is more exciting than GR.
This is sabotage but not for anything other than money and investment.
actually you do hear about it when they give him something contrary.. he says it over the radio ...he expresses his discomfort in the plan... then it works out and he always thanks the team....so what only give them thanks and not criticism?
The Andretti family absolutely deserves to enter F1.
How is no one talking about Mercedes winning 3/4 Grand Prix before the summer break. Then the braking rule came into effect before the break and now they’re nowhere to be seen? Seems like people been accusing the wrong team of using the inertia valve…
They did the same thing to Lewis is Qatar last year, Lewis was furious on the radio after finding out everyone else was on the Mediums while he was on Softs, I for one couldn't believe it, Mercedes do have history of doing this.
For the Algo! Let's go boys.
You're a legend Jono 🍻
Cam yelling sabotage now ehh what did I say months ago
Im not buying incompetence. It’s one thing to get the technical concept wrong but Merc has never made bad strategy calls. Not to this level. In previous seasons they might have one race where they miss the mark on strategy. All of a sudden they can’t put a race weekend together?
With all due respect, I do not agree all LH fans thinks that Toto hates Lewis.. I've been throwing out there that it's about the corporate branding... They cannot show the world and management that they are allowing their "better" driver to leave. This reduce the confidence in the board of directors and investors. Maybe sabotage is too heavy of a word.. More like preferential strategies, to use Lewis to take the riskier strategy than Woody.... that's all.... (DONE RANTING) Thanks.
It’s Toto’s ego
Maybe they are just giving him a preview of the strategies he’ll see at Ferrari. 😂
Very good listen
Just an FYI, Lewis is the only driver to ever be disqualified for lying.
It’s simple, LH is no longer the lead driver and GR will be prioritized. It’s a clear agenda by Mercedes. Since it’s his final year it’s a no brainer there will be less focus on strategy and giving him the best car weekly. As much as LH has done for the team, There’s no loyalty in the sport. It’s a business at the end of the day
I think Hammie is missing the party mode in quali!
Mercedes had the tactical advantage, they are not in the WDC fight and one of them needed to do something different to make something happen. Lewis was in third ahead of George. Surely it could not have been George in fourth and they gambled with softs on him with the hope he wold get a good enough start to take the lead into turn 1. I bet you had George had been in 3rd he would have been the one to take softs on this gamble and you would all use the same logic I have.
But it was Lewis and it did not work, this is why you are mad. Had Russell taken the gamble and it failed, you would not question it.
You honestly think nobody would have questioned the ridiculous idea Merc came up with? REGARDLESS of which driver? It was a STUPID idea ...SOFT SCRUBBED tires...HOT, HOT Singapore...to name just two stupids. Come on!
Great video Cameron
Let's go Lukass 🍻
Chez has to be arrested for the mere utterance of the thought that MBS is smarter than all of us. Utter balspheny😂
It was nice to listen
Like with most things, the truth is usually somewhere in the middle of contrasting arguments. Outright sabotage is probably too strong to proclaim but making sure preferential treatment goes to the future lead driver in the team makes sense on so many levels (Political, Financial + even on a Petty level).
Lewis finishing on less points works well for Merc from a financial perspective in regards to trying to keep and attract sponsors ("hey look, we're not washed without Lewis"). It also works politically because as an organisation, the remaining staff are ALWAYS seen as more priority than outgoing. And lastly the way that Lewis left has brought so much bad press to Merc that on a petty level, most influential staff would probably prefer to not see a triumphant exit for Lewis (ie. whitewashing George and asserting dominance)
Mercedes are lost...treating Lewis unfairly and openly courting Max, George is watching and knows it is not a team to bank on for the future
If Lewis goes out on a high and beats GR wouldn’t some people have to answer(to their board, shareholders, fans) why they let him go? Especially since Lewis wanted to stay!
Tinfoil hat stuff. Get lost dude. Face it: Your goat is just a sheep.
@sotirisgkizas9140
It was said shareholders who didn’t want Lewis anymore..
No. He’ll be 40 and wanted an exorbitant contract. The board fully understands and wants Verstappen
@@JDeadwylerlies Toto is the major part of while Lewis is leaving. Toto can convince them to hold onto Lewis he didn't.
Horner doesn't even have a stake in Redbull yet and he has convinced the Austrian to let him run things his way.
When David Coulthard is a Mercedes ambassador but Toto refused to give Lewis, yea that's tecky.
Yeah i wasnt impressed by Lando's drive in Singapore, he drove well I'll give him that but he did what the car was supposed to do in that race. Also lol I've been saying it and Me and Peter Windsor agree that Oscar is going to "Ricciardo" Lando Norris and may end up leaving because you can be #1 when the other guy is just as fast and more ruthless
Guys being really naive here. "Why oh why would a team hurt one of their drivers. Its illogical". When thats normal in a political money driven entertainment spectacle like F1.
Mercedes are prioritising their lead driver. Shock/Horror.
BAXTY, I SUPPORT MAX , OH MY GEAR 👀.
Are you ok baxty? 🤣
Hope it didn't hurt too much 🤣. Simply Lovely Baxty 🧡
I know what you meant Baxty, but still coming from you, I support Max, feels weird 😜✌🏼🤣
23.38 You're starting to get self-reflective Baxty. 👏🏼, Proud of you, you can do it, keep it up. 💪🏼🤣
I am glad I didn´t see vampire red eyes in the picture.
I should've put them in
So miss Niki Lauda right now, they wouldn’t have DARED! Merc has a responsibility to treat he one who gave them 8 constructors!! So done with F1. Well, at least until Ferrari in 2025!!
I am here for Baxty meltdown 😂😂😂
This is the main reason why Lewis decided to leave the team don't listen to him at all, the team obviously can't make a good race strategy for Lewis. George does what he likes and makes his own decisions why isn't Lewis doing the same thing? Lewis is being way too soft especially as he's leaving this year. The team obviously don't give sh!t about Lewis anymore.
Did Shez just try to suggest that this MBS character was possibly brilliant, playing 3D chess, with his racism and ignorance (giving the no such thing as bad publicity jazz)?
My tongue was firmly in my cheek
@@shezmed Touche kind sir
Here's a reason to sabotage lewis. Wolff is a share holder of Merc F1. The 7 time world champ leaving will likely have a massive impact on sponsorship revenue and Merc F1 value. That hurts Toto's pocket directly. How about that for a reason? :)
Ever since Niki died it really shows how clueless Mercedes is, ever since Mercedes have been nothing but mediocre. Toto is has become the weakest link for Mercedes, maybe he always has been but the absence of Lauda and others who made him look is clearly showing!
Oh but they did, oh my.
I don’t believe Lewis is a liar.
Lewis is a brand... what other reasons do you need? It's clear has day.
O ccams razor.....simple ,realistic explanation generally finds the truth
Hanlon's razor. Sagan's standard.
Now they see 👍🏻👍🏻
Cameron these two guys just don't want to say it. Call it what you want but Merc is and has sabotaged Hamilton
cameron invite wolf pack to the podcast
Leave Clown Pack where he is.
Hey my brother sir lewis Hamilton say it's fault of what is going because he don't to let them look bad..but bro he is getting the dig from Mercedes hands down
It's all done to make Russell look good because he will be their number 1 next year and they will be needing sponsors. Can't look at Lewis' data no more so when he is lost he literally will be. I would love Antonelli to beat him.
The three of you sound incredibly slow... The silliness this season on Lewis should just be called out as for what it is. Period...
And so he should be.
It’s hard to say what is true. It’s always talks afterwards. Charles is also like that. If Lewis really wants something I think Mercedes will say okay it’s your call we will do it. I think it’s somewhere in the middle though. Lewis probably has an idea, Mercedes convinces him otherwise, he agrees and afterwards say his initial idea was better. We have seen George making calls and they adepted the strat. We see Max do such things all the time and Carlos too. You hear them say what the want instead of asking the question: “Are you sure it is the right strategy?”. What do you expect the team will say? “Oh no you are right we just looked at the numbers but I think you are right the strategy we came up with completely sucks. What do you want?”
Lando or Max better race. Lando made a few mistakes that could have ended his race. Lando his car was quick but he wasn’t super focused in my opinion.
Oh the invincible ignorance fallacy!
Don't ytewash it it was psabotage
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Remove the in articulate from your Channel Cameron. This without, out. Rhythm mastery charisma and knowledge together is mesmerising and that is your Chanel strength, drop these half beat chaps with todays goatees I want passion commitment drive enthusiasm and go get it like you do so don’t dilute your brand for the sake of volume, your are rare different special and bring one into a zone a chamber a escape so do not introduce the humdrum Sir. Oh and I note one Peter X Windsor is actually using Camerisms on his Chanel. Signing off from Daniel town ( true )
All the of these blokes are soff…
Great.. I'm the first to comment
Oh the humanity
Let's GOOOOOOOOO!
Who is the better driver is hilarious. Neither of the 3 seem to know why Max has no equal in Lando. Alluded to it yes (car is coming to Max when it is more 'on the nose'), but there is a reason why that is better. On the nose (oversteer) puts the onus on the driver, making the equation more close to 60% car - 40% driver. On the rear (understeer) puts it on the car, making it more close to 80-20. The better driver thus gets rewarded with more feedback from the car making the drivers inputs all that more important....and thus........Max is, with an Oscar and a Charles (and hopefully one of the new guys) in a complete different league compared to the understeer drivers.
Lewis is not friends with many drivers. Lando and Verstappen knew what other drivers were wearing. Lewis is an island so he trusts his team and rarely insists just blames.
Is that that same Sir Lewis Carl Davidson Hamilton who went to Brackley last year to read the riot act to those damned Kraut engineers? Now he's whining about some strategists sabotaging him? What a tosser... buona fortuna, Ferrari! 😂
He offended LH by talking about rappers? are all rappers black now? ffs just keep pushing things always to that subject....
Not all . But most. I don't know why MBS needs to talk like that though. Jean Todt would never.
Maybe this is just a British thing! I don’t understand the amount of extra effort to play devils advocate for Mercedes. It’s like nothing you guys say in defense sounds logically sound. How does a expertise driver like Lewis Hamilton Go from always being in top three in practice to falling to 10th Pl.every time he qualifies! The man is averaging seventh or eighth place and qualifying while practice. He is top three. Lewis Hamilton literally keeps telling you that’s something is wrong. You think a man who has spent 20 years in this sport doesn’t feel every minute change in the car.
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