Yeah beacuse you know when you are talking to yourself. Not like an ableist thing. Just, everyone talks to themself (most do at least) and mine attributed all my empathy to this imaginary thing.
@@n0etic_f0x I wasn’t talking to myself. I was talking to the deity that existed outside of space and time and kept constantly watching everything on planet Earth with extreme scrutiny.
@@KainMalice Who doesn’t real. I mean that’s part of what keeps you in the faith. How could that possibly be you? Aren’t you a broken sinner? Well if God and sin are not real…. yeah it clearly just you.
Jake that was an important point you made. We ARE handling mental health more dynamically and beneficially overall as we move forward. I'm trying to be a drug counselor and I think that is important in terms of optimism.
I think about this a lot. Talking to muslims who/whose parents lived in the southern regions of the USSR gave me some perspective. The enforced atheism campaigns of the early decades and suppression of religious texts and practices even after created a very raw multi-generation cultural injury in those regions communities'. Especially as it was impossible not to perceive it in part as just more on top of a centuries high pile of cultural imperialism and demands from Moscow "we supported the revolution and even became full communist party members, what the fuck more do you want?!" This also helped pave the way for militant revolutionary zealotry to be the alternative.
No, I do not miss Jesus. As someone who was deeply Christian because I thought this imaginary being was the source of my morality only prevented me from having empathy and the ability to place personal value on people and ideas. Christianity is really bleak. Seeing all people as deserving of Hell prevents you from growing as a person and just keeps you emotionally 16 years old.
Why would i miss Jesus? Religion rail roaded my life. Its the reason my whole fucking family decided they couldnt love me anymore because I was trans. I'm so glad I got out, and will never regret leaving.
I don't believe the earth is round because I was told to believe it or else I'd burn forever. I believe the earth is round because there is measurable, consistent evidence that proves it. It worries me when reality isn't a factor that determines what your core beliefs are. I realize that no one is perfectly logical and factual about everything all the time, but for core beliefs? That is unwise.
Impeding the progress we are making in mental health is simply a product of those who are scared (i get it) and those who want to continue to hold power through mass delusion.
The biggest roadblock to mental health we face as a civilization is the belief in free will. It's not real, it's an absurd concept, and it encourages people to support punitive justice and vengeance.
About Jake saying we're mentally ill because of how we were brought up: I'm not sure about that... I had a happy childhood and have the most loving, perfect parents a person could have. However, anxiety runs in the family on my father's side, so my mental issues likely come from genetics, combined with the fact that I masked my autism for the longest time (still do but to a lesser degree). Heck, I didn't know I was autistic until fairly recently, I just thought something was wrong with me.
i was taught that i was supposed to know this jesus guy and the sheer nothing there and the pressure to have it gave me panic attacks in 3rd grade. by that age i could tell this was all just their preferred fairy tail, i just didnt have the language to know it yet.
Personally I think the most appt phrasing is. "If you talk to god you're religious, if god talks to you you're suffering psychosis." Honestly I get it's a hot take especially in a country where the most likely cause of child death is gun violence yet hey maybe a bit of gun control is a hot take. Well if this is just the COD waiting lobby or the loading screen to the great hereafter no big deal. If this is actually our one shot. (What has been the scientific consensus thus far.) It's fuckin horrifying. I think all Americans should get at least one big meal a day, physical care and a therapist and see where that goes. Sorry for the ted talk just my hot take Jake ain't wrong.
I took your advice and stopped believing in buddhism and went to therapy. they told me i should do mindfulness meditation so now I'm right back where I started.
This all begins with egocentrism. When someone assumes that the thoughts and feelings they have represent some sort of universal default, they end up attributing a lot of these feelings to divine command. They come to recognize feelings of conviction as their God-given conscience, and any self talk which is aimed at navigating this "conscience", or which is meant to bring comfort when these feelings are in conflict as the voice of God. And since going against God carries extreme consequences, these people get locked into a pattern of assuming that the only reason they would ever think or feel certain things is because those things are innately correct. They can't question their own feelings, and so their feelings become necessarily infallible. This is what leads to so many "prophets" who get things blatantly wrong and then desperately scramble to make sense of the inconsistencies. They're disincentivized to admit when they're wrong or to take responsibility for their own presumptions. Religion breeds selfishness and pride in this way. They have to stand firm in the convictions of their internal voice. They're stuck referencing their inner world for information about the outer world, which is the complete opposite of how an active form of empathy works. They don't care about others beyond what they're allowed to consider, they don't understand the humility of questioning their own immediate senses, and they feel venerated for their stubborn cocksuredness. Religion is basically how you can trick someone with the capacity for being a decent person into becoming an opportunistic monster.
Just picture it being any non-christian time and place, and ask yourself if you believe its real then. I enjoy some pagan ritual, but for me its about understanding that we are crazy monkeys and that ritual is an ancient human practice worth exploring by re-enactment.
The whole thing of "do atheists miss jesus" that kicked this vid off is just _really_ bizarre tbh. Like I get that if you're steeped in that mindset it's hard to imagine life without that mindset, but asking if I miss jesus is like asking if I miss my tail or my Porsche or my incredibly sexy model boyfriend when my only car I've had my entire car-having life is an '08 Cobalt (and she somehow still runs like a dream despite all these years), I'm an ace lesbian who's never had an interest in guys, and if I ever had a tail it got absorbed into my butt like it did for most normal people :P
LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT PRAYER! I'm angry now. See as a teen and young adult I would pray, some of the time while fasting. If you need a short rundown on fasting, at least the way tiny me did it, you do not eat or drink from sun up until sun down. Some don't include water in this and some do count it, in my case I think I had water on some fasting days but thought of that as 'cheating.' And let me tell you, I didn't hear anything or see anything, any prayers about helping my family seem to have meant 'marriages end in/due to abuse' which is not good (that any abuse happened not the divorces), obviously I had abuse in and out of the home, and a slew of other things that make Christians go 'try harder' or 'you must not have wanted it bad enough' in tone. Don't anybody come up to talk about the benefits of prayer with cherry picked anecdotes to counter my personal experience. You can keep it to yourself and I can remind you that there are plenty of other anecdotes of people begging God to end suffering or help and in some denominations that's apparently selfish because something something suffering. Thank you. God has better things to do, I suppose, and never came back here. I guess we'll figure it out when we're dead.
Most are insane... I mean, they believe in things that just aren't there. That's crazy. I've yet to meet a religious person that I would consider sane.
They're *all* insane. Some just choose to ignore the antisocial parts of their tribal fetishes and rely on emotional manipulation to make you feel bad for questioning their faith.
I think a better argument could be made that the personal relationship with Jesus that the pastor espouses has a lot in common with an abusive domestic relationship. At its core, a relationship with God is a relationship with the self, specifically one's own ego. God is what you see in the mirror every day. This is why God loves all the things you love, hates the things you hate, agrees with all your beliefs and prejudices, and cannot give you any information you don't already have. So if you form the kind of relationship the pastor wants, then you are teaching yourself to berate, judge, and shame yourself. You are conditioning yourself into self-abuse and neglect, which is not a healthy way to live. Very often if you have low self esteem ranging to depression, you are your own worst enemy. If you want to be able to care and provide for others, you first need to love and care for yourself.
I hate to be this guy, but according to the DSM 5 a person can't be considered delusional if their beliefs are considered normal by their culture or family. And sadly, there is a very vocal culture that considers these beliefs normal.
Always has been, that’s why I think religious people are akin to puppets.
Religious decepticons believers lol
I think that believing that you have an answer, stops you from asking questions.
Speaking of the Cthulhu mythos, I'd sooner worship an eldritch abomination than I would the Abrahamic god
Lovecraft's pantheon is by far more believable than any IRL religion.
As are many fantasy fiction pantheons, honestly.
"Mass" delusion. Bazinga
I didn’t “lose a friend” when I deconverted. I learned how to be independent and confident without imaginary outside input.
I love being lectured on mental illness by corn suit jake. It really puts things into perspective for me.
As someone who probably could’ve been diagnosed with schizophrenia when I stop believing in God, my mental health became way better
perhaps if you double down on porn and video-games, you could be even better.
Yeah beacuse you know when you are talking to yourself. Not like an ableist thing. Just, everyone talks to themself (most do at least) and mine attributed all my empathy to this imaginary thing.
@@n0etic_f0x I wasn’t talking to myself. I was talking to the deity that existed outside of space and time and kept constantly watching everything on planet Earth with extreme scrutiny.
@@KainMalice Who doesn’t real. I mean that’s part of what keeps you in the faith. How could that possibly be you? Aren’t you a broken sinner?
Well if God and sin are not real…. yeah it clearly just you.
Jake that was an important point you made. We ARE handling mental health more dynamically and beneficially overall as we move forward. I'm trying to be a drug counselor and I think that is important in terms of optimism.
I think about this a lot. Talking to muslims who/whose parents lived in the southern regions of the USSR gave me some perspective. The enforced atheism campaigns of the early decades and suppression of religious texts and practices even after created a very raw multi-generation cultural injury in those regions communities'. Especially as it was impossible not to perceive it in part as just more on top of a centuries high pile of cultural imperialism and demands from Moscow "we supported the revolution and even became full communist party members, what the fuck more do you want?!" This also helped pave the way for militant revolutionary zealotry to be the alternative.
No, I do not miss Jesus. As someone who was deeply Christian because I thought this imaginary being was the source of my morality only prevented me from having empathy and the ability to place personal value on people and ideas. Christianity is really bleak. Seeing all people as deserving of Hell prevents you from growing as a person and just keeps you emotionally 16 years old.
Fucking exactly
Funny, I left religion when I was 16.
@@flexibleskedule evil gawd monster
Yeah, you’re definitely still emotionally at 16
@@redstealth9683 Why though? Because I don’t think I need an imaginary friend?
Too bad this guy's invisible friend and Creator of the Universe didn't correct his atrocious grammar.
Why would i miss Jesus? Religion rail roaded my life. Its the reason my whole fucking family decided they couldnt love me anymore because I was trans. I'm so glad I got out, and will never regret leaving.
I don't believe the earth is round because I was told to believe it or else I'd burn forever. I believe the earth is round because there is measurable, consistent evidence that proves it. It worries me when reality isn't a factor that determines what your core beliefs are. I realize that no one is perfectly logical and factual about everything all the time, but for core beliefs? That is unwise.
Lol ma butt
Impeding the progress we are making in mental health is simply a product of those who are scared (i get it) and those who want to continue to hold power through mass delusion.
The biggest roadblock to mental health we face as a civilization is the belief in free will. It's not real, it's an absurd concept, and it encourages people to support punitive justice and vengeance.
A-men & A-women too!
About Jake saying we're mentally ill because of how we were brought up: I'm not sure about that... I had a happy childhood and have the most loving, perfect parents a person could have. However, anxiety runs in the family on my father's side, so my mental issues likely come from genetics, combined with the fact that I masked my autism for the longest time (still do but to a lesser degree). Heck, I didn't know I was autistic until fairly recently, I just thought something was wrong with me.
we love an antitheist king. seems everyone's become a coward when it comes to standing against religion and spirituality.
Yup
the only thing in my darkest moments keeping me company has been the beating of my heart, always has been
"Hello, darkness, my old friend...."
I agree with everything Jake says in this video. I wish I could speak as eloquently and passionately about it as he does!
19:23 if anyone disagrees see how newer religions like scientology are treated vs older. Ubiquitous religions like christianity
Yup. Religion is just the evolution of oral tradition and story telling.
i was taught that i was supposed to know this jesus guy and the sheer nothing there and the pressure to have it gave me panic attacks in 3rd grade. by that age i could tell this was all just their preferred fairy tail, i just didnt have the language to know it yet.
Personally I think the most appt phrasing is. "If you talk to god you're religious, if god talks to you you're suffering psychosis."
Honestly I get it's a hot take especially in a country where the most likely cause of child death is gun violence yet hey maybe a bit of gun control is a hot take. Well if this is just the COD waiting lobby or the loading screen to the great hereafter no big deal. If this is actually our one shot. (What has been the scientific consensus thus far.) It's fuckin horrifying. I think all Americans should get at least one big meal a day, physical care and a therapist and see where that goes. Sorry for the ted talk just my hot take Jake ain't wrong.
I took your advice and stopped believing in buddhism and went to therapy.
they told me i should do mindfulness meditation so now I'm right back where I started.
It absolutely alarms me 0:48
I 100% cosign this entire take
This all begins with egocentrism. When someone assumes that the thoughts and feelings they have represent some sort of universal default, they end up attributing a lot of these feelings to divine command. They come to recognize feelings of conviction as their God-given conscience, and any self talk which is aimed at navigating this "conscience", or which is meant to bring comfort when these feelings are in conflict as the voice of God. And since going against God carries extreme consequences, these people get locked into a pattern of assuming that the only reason they would ever think or feel certain things is because those things are innately correct. They can't question their own feelings, and so their feelings become necessarily infallible. This is what leads to so many "prophets" who get things blatantly wrong and then desperately scramble to make sense of the inconsistencies. They're disincentivized to admit when they're wrong or to take responsibility for their own presumptions. Religion breeds selfishness and pride in this way. They have to stand firm in the convictions of their internal voice. They're stuck referencing their inner world for information about the outer world, which is the complete opposite of how an active form of empathy works. They don't care about others beyond what they're allowed to consider, they don't understand the humility of questioning their own immediate senses, and they feel venerated for their stubborn cocksuredness. Religion is basically how you can trick someone with the capacity for being a decent person into becoming an opportunistic monster.
Even Jesus knew it was all BS at the end when he asked
How could you forsake me😂
No, I have a really good aim for someone with vision issues.
Jesus arrives in Hell - Satan: _"They got you again, huh?"_
Lol ma butt
Just picture it being any non-christian time and place, and ask yourself if you believe its real then.
I enjoy some pagan ritual, but for me its about understanding that we are crazy monkeys and that ritual is an ancient human practice worth exploring by re-enactment.
Definitely the most based take on rituals and spirituality that I've seen
The whole thing of "do atheists miss jesus" that kicked this vid off is just _really_ bizarre tbh. Like I get that if you're steeped in that mindset it's hard to imagine life without that mindset, but asking if I miss jesus is like asking if I miss my tail or my Porsche or my incredibly sexy model boyfriend when my only car I've had my entire car-having life is an '08 Cobalt (and she somehow still runs like a dream despite all these years), I'm an ace lesbian who's never had an interest in guys, and if I ever had a tail it got absorbed into my butt like it did for most normal people :P
Lol ma butt
LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT PRAYER! I'm angry now. See as a teen and young adult I would pray, some of the time while fasting. If you need a short rundown on fasting, at least the way tiny me did it, you do not eat or drink from sun up until sun down. Some don't include water in this and some do count it, in my case I think I had water on some fasting days but thought of that as 'cheating.' And let me tell you, I didn't hear anything or see anything, any prayers about helping my family seem to have meant 'marriages end in/due to abuse' which is not good (that any abuse happened not the divorces), obviously I had abuse in and out of the home, and a slew of other things that make Christians go 'try harder' or 'you must not have wanted it bad enough' in tone. Don't anybody come up to talk about the benefits of prayer with cherry picked anecdotes to counter my personal experience. You can keep it to yourself and I can remind you that there are plenty of other anecdotes of people begging God to end suffering or help and in some denominations that's apparently selfish because something something suffering. Thank you. God has better things to do, I suppose, and never came back here. I guess we'll figure it out when we're dead.
Some religious people are sane... but some are insane.
Most are insane... I mean, they believe in things that just aren't there. That's crazy. I've yet to meet a religious person that I would consider sane.
The yellow sky snake told me you can't type that except on Tuesdays and also he molted for your sins.
They're *all* insane.
Some just choose to ignore the antisocial parts of their tribal fetishes and rely on emotional manipulation to make you feel bad for questioning their faith.
I think a better argument could be made that the personal relationship with Jesus that the pastor espouses has a lot in common with an abusive domestic relationship. At its core, a relationship with God is a relationship with the self, specifically one's own ego. God is what you see in the mirror every day. This is why God loves all the things you love, hates the things you hate, agrees with all your beliefs and prejudices, and cannot give you any information you don't already have. So if you form the kind of relationship the pastor wants, then you are teaching yourself to berate, judge, and shame yourself. You are conditioning yourself into self-abuse and neglect, which is not a healthy way to live.
Very often if you have low self esteem ranging to depression, you are your own worst enemy. If you want to be able to care and provide for others, you first need to love and care for yourself.
I hate to be this guy, but according to the DSM 5 a person can't be considered delusional if their beliefs are considered normal by their culture or family. And sadly, there is a very vocal culture that considers these beliefs normal.
Le reddit ass title
Got you to click
@@ActualJake You're just so damn clickable
Tribalism
frfr
I lost a friend once for telling her her god amounted to her imaginary friend. She's still very lost in the delusion.