@BlueEye096 It's definitely not the most watchable, but most would say it required a higher amount of knowledge about spacing and the little things (like chip damage) then SF4. Although I'm pretty sure 3S still takes the cake for "most difficult to master" because of the parry system.
The part at the end is so good because ryus super goes through his own fireball. Great patience by not throwing fireballs, he knew daigo was waiting to do super
dude this game is so perfected it's like playing a game of chess. only when you fully understand that will you realize why the game and most street fighter games go on far past prime.
@Ultima64 So you're saying the quarter circle forward + punch is exclusive to one character to do a fireball? Sorry Ryu, Ken, Akuma and whatever Ryu+Ken's master is, that move only works for one person. Not to mention the breakers in Mortal Kombat, the 15+ hit combos that all require a sequence of different inputs. There's zoning to consider in Mortal Kombat as well, the X ray attacks. I've played both online and both are difficult in their own manner.
I think what the great seth killian said in an interview, very much applies. He said something like : " You can keep spamming fireballs and win and its perfectly fine, but if we see you in person theres no telling whether we're gonna break your arm or not."
@ANormalGuy Diago was fairly behind in HP in that last battle. He made a comeback and JUST took his opponents HP down enough below his own as time ran out. Thus, he won the battle, and match.
@Greendragonexcom I actually personally find the zoning game fascinating. This match shows the efficiency and ruthlessness of Daigo's use of hadokens really well. He's basically got his opponent locked down in the corner within about 4 seconds of the first round starting and just forces his way in. It's also a good match to show off how good Daigo's footsies are; how good he is at judging the range of all his normals etc. And the very end of round 2 is awesome. Classic clutch Daigo play.
some of the matches are boring BUT they are still very skilled players. All in all in some of the tougher matches when it looks like they would have lost they ( daigo, mago , justin or any pro) pull of tricks that few people would try and win a fight. Those moments are the best.
The team battle scenario doesn't work because it was free for all, which is pretty much all the people do on there, anyway. They'll pick Kirby's stage and disable all items, then use top tier characters with the best air drop kicks to edge guard. Anyway, this video already got derailed, so take it into PM or my page if there's anything else worth discussing.
I like to play offensively myself, but I hunker down and turtle when I need to. I usually play Balrog, and I have to readjust when I'm playing a Zangief - rushdowns are nowhere near as safe against him and his damn lariat. The EX Upper works great though for going through it.
@MCLos It's kinda natural to fight back like that. This guy is only going to win if you don't fight fire with fire. Its like you want to win,but he is only using everything he has to win. You don't really have much of a choice if you plan on winning.
the ryu in red with the black head band, thats his colors. In the early years, he used the black gi and yellow band ryu. His other characters colors are white gi ken, blue and pink boxer, blue geif and some more.
thank you. And fyi, competing against pros is SO much different the watching them. I played a casual against nki (one of the best chun-li players in america) and i got my taint handed to me when i was using my best guy (boxer). I didn't even know he was nki till some said his name and he said "ya, im nki" and i was like "YOUR NKI?!!?!" (he nodded in response) >.
I know what Ryu is SUPPOSED to be saying when he does a Tatsu, but for the life of me I cannot hear him saying that- I hear "tat tat tat ta ratat!" ... is it just me? Seriously.
I think what's going is that, since this is a mirror match, Daigo has to be less aggressive and has to instead watch and learn his opponent's pattern. Only then can he start fighting back. Last round though, he almost waited too long.
I think it takes either a more serious gamer or at least more serious street fighter fan to look at fireballs or any other part of the game that might seem cheap or dull as a small part in the biggest aspect of the game, strategy. Street fighter is very chess like in game play, and can be lack-luster compared to other faster paced games. But if you're a nerd like me who likes to read strategy guides for fighting games, then matches like these are actually exciting :P
1: Just did nothing out of desperation. He was ahead on life. 2: Justin was baited into the super. Daigo let Justin power up his bar, stayed out of range of normal attacks, but in range of the super. 3: You can not parry when the screen is frozen. To parry it at all is VERY difficult. 4: Air parry mid super. 5: Chained that into a combo. And of course that is all in front of a large crowd, at a big event. Evo moment #37 will be talked about as long as any one cares about the game.
I think most of us have at least once experienced a fireball spamming jerk in our SF careers . Still, its best to formulate a strategy for these situations- it can no doubt be frustrating to be in the situation.
Oh yes - yes, it does. Even though I'm sure the two would never disrespect each other in public, when they sit down next to each other to play a match nowadays, you can just 'feel' the animosity between the two. The only reason I'd say something like this anyway is simply because it's true - Alex Valle is another master street fighter, and it's just my opinion anyway. :)
@kofcr Both players were using the exact same character. And don't point to Ken as a head-swap either - Ken has sufficiently differing gameplay from Ryu in both 3rd Strike and Super 4 AE to be considered a completely different character.
you didn't see all his videos,he lost against momochi and kiyo quite a few times,as you can clearly see daigo only relies on fireballs,while momochi and kiyo are technical when fighting.
I also didn't say "everyone" was like that, but I've seen it enough to get an impression. Also, I completely forgot about the elitists in that room that are too good to play people that aren't on their level. They'll boot people out of games so one of their friends can play instead because they're better.
@DrummerFromColdplay Hey umm, I was thinking today, not that I doubt your VG knowledge or anything, but can you explain why T.Hawk would rape Ryu? :D (I haven't played any T.Hawks)
I've just have had some bad experience with them, as in I always do better than the opponent but he spams and spams and I lose a lot of health so then he ends up beating me and is arrogant and rubs it in my face ,saying that he "kicked my ass" and calls me names and I just can't stand it. I've gradually learned to overcome this,but during say sf2 and alpha period ,this was a major pain.
Watch this video and you will see both players spam, but both players know how to counter it. Spamming just fills a gap, because there is alot more going on without a player even hitting a button.
More 81 people who are annoyed by constant fireballs. I count myself among them, to be fair. And yes, I know it's a valid/the best way to play, but god is it tedious.
If you want to see Daigo's real miracle... look up his Evo 2k4(?) 3rd Strike win where he full parries Chun Li's super with only a sliver of health left to win the round... it's awesome.
your right you cant parry when the screen is frozen but if your are in forward animation befor the screen is frozen then you can parry I do this to my friend every know and then but it hard because you kind of have to predict when will they relase it
that overhead did the damage of a freaking super lmao
Daigo has the BEST come backs of all TIME!!
I love how the moon moves with the clouds.
Back on topic from all these arguments,
yet another Daigo moment :D
@BlueEye096 It's definitely not the most watchable, but most would say it required a higher amount of knowledge about spacing and the little things (like chip damage) then SF4. Although I'm pretty sure 3S still takes the cake for "most difficult to master" because of the parry system.
Daigo has to be the undisputed champion, for those who dont understand SF it can be boring but players of the game know how good Daigo is.
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That Collarbone Breaker gave him a win, incredible :D
i love this game. ryu says "hazooken!" lol. man such a classic.
I'm so glad Street Fighter hired a new announcer...
The part at the end is so good because ryus super goes through his own fireball. Great patience by not throwing fireballs, he knew daigo was waiting to do super
that last move was funny, super into downward punch
Holy shit that finish was intense!
dude this game is so perfected it's like playing a game of chess.
only when you fully understand that will you realize why the game and most street fighter games go on far past prime.
lol i thought their pictures in the top corners were them in real time. i was like, damn why do they play so still? lmao ..........ah good times
ryu wins because the match up is 6-4 in Ryu's Favor
wow that last second overhead won him the round lol
Wow. High level play is so exciting....
So patient, the first fight he was just standing there.
They really stay still when they fight.
Is picture :)
@Svenbotuser totally agree. people that think fireballs are cheap can't understand the concept of using them as a far-range poke.
That's exactly why you shouldn't go into full retreat mode just because there is a possibility you could get a time out victory
Good sacrifice of the super at the end so he could hit him!
@Ultima64 So you're saying the quarter circle forward + punch is exclusive to one character to do a fireball? Sorry Ryu, Ken, Akuma and whatever Ryu+Ken's master is, that move only works for one person. Not to mention the breakers in Mortal Kombat, the 15+ hit combos that all require a sequence of different inputs. There's zoning to consider in Mortal Kombat as well, the X ray attacks. I've played both online and both are difficult in their own manner.
attacking the person rather than the issue is a great way to show immaturity
Dang he's the legend of legends.
I think what the great seth killian said in an interview, very much applies. He said something like : " You can keep spamming fireballs and win and its perfectly fine, but if we see you in person theres no telling whether we're gonna break your arm or not."
@ANormalGuy Diago was fairly behind in HP in that last battle. He made a comeback and JUST took his opponents HP down enough below his own as time ran out. Thus, he won the battle, and match.
"all they did was hadoukens"
Welcome to the world of Street Fighter...
Daigo beat a wall in a staring contest.
@Greendragonexcom I actually personally find the zoning game fascinating. This match shows the efficiency and ruthlessness of Daigo's use of hadokens really well. He's basically got his opponent locked down in the corner within about 4 seconds of the first round starting and just forces his way in. It's also a good match to show off how good Daigo's footsies are; how good he is at judging the range of all his normals etc.
And the very end of round 2 is awesome. Classic clutch Daigo play.
Good to see this in my recommended ones.
some of the matches are boring BUT they are still very skilled players. All in all in some of the tougher matches when it looks like they would have lost they ( daigo, mago , justin or any pro) pull of tricks that few people would try and win a fight. Those moments are the best.
The team battle scenario doesn't work because it was free for all, which is pretty much all the people do on there, anyway. They'll pick Kirby's stage and disable all items, then use top tier characters with the best air drop kicks to edge guard.
Anyway, this video already got derailed, so take it into PM or my page if there's anything else worth discussing.
My main is boxer, cause ill try to get as close as possible, in a crazy, almost berserk, rush down. Also i like to headbutt people!
They already have.
Daigo is like, Capcom's poster child.
I like to play offensively myself, but I hunker down and turtle when I need to. I usually play Balrog, and I have to readjust when I'm playing a Zangief - rushdowns are nowhere near as safe against him and his damn lariat. The EX Upper works great though for going through it.
Ken - "Ryu can you ease off the Hadoken's a little bit, really."
Ryu - "SHORRRE YOU KEN!"
they're vid portraits. the players do that just to confuse people. not moving also saves on file space.
..thats probably one of the smartest things someones said on this video
thanks, yeah i guess i can see daigo in this vid when you compare the two and put this 1 full screen. never saw him play like that.
It is the way he did it. On that note, parrying Chun-Li's super isn't an easy job at all.
@MCLos It's kinda natural to fight back like that. This guy is only going to win if you don't fight fire with fire. Its like you want to win,but he is only using everything he has to win. You don't really have much of a choice if you plan on winning.
consider the Hadouken like a jab... it sets the offence and is a defense tool also
the ryu in red with the black head band, thats his colors. In the early years, he used the black gi and yellow band ryu. His other characters colors are white gi ken, blue and pink boxer, blue geif and some more.
So they were using the tatsu maki sen puu kyaku as a way to slow down falling from a jump? Does this work in all versions since then?
thank you. And fyi, competing against pros is SO much different the watching them. I played a casual against nki (one of the best chun-li players in america) and i got my taint handed to me when i was using my best guy (boxer). I didn't even know he was nki till some said his name and he said "ya, im nki" and i was like "YOUR NKI?!!?!" (he nodded in response) >.
I know what Ryu is SUPPOSED to be saying when he does a Tatsu, but for the life of me I cannot hear him saying that- I hear "tat tat tat ta ratat!"
... is it just me? Seriously.
@sanoichiro
You extract them down and you learn from them piece by piece and when you finally learn them they're not all that good or they are.
I think what's going is that, since this is a mirror match, Daigo has to be less aggressive and has to instead watch and learn his opponent's pattern. Only then can he start fighting back. Last round though, he almost waited too long.
@sharpienoob it's pretty common try to search on ebay or something.
no wayy just lucky there simply as there they were both highly skilled
jesus christ that overhead punch took off a lot
LOL the no expression at the end was GODLIKE.
I think it takes either a more serious gamer or at least more serious street fighter fan to look at fireballs or any other part of the game that might seem cheap or dull as a small part in the biggest aspect of the game, strategy.
Street fighter is very chess like in game play, and can be lack-luster compared to other faster paced games. But if you're a nerd like me who likes to read strategy guides for fighting games, then matches like these are actually exciting :P
It's funny how even though Daigo won by the tiniest amount of health, Ryu's body is completely pristine at the end screen.
1: Just did nothing out of desperation. He was ahead on life.
2: Justin was baited into the super. Daigo let Justin power up his bar, stayed out of range of normal attacks, but in range of the super.
3: You can not parry when the screen is frozen. To parry it at all is VERY difficult.
4: Air parry mid super.
5: Chained that into a combo.
And of course that is all in front of a large crowd, at a big event.
Evo moment #37 will be talked about as long as any one cares about the game.
Might be why he has the noise cancelling headphones.
I think most of us have at least once experienced a fireball spamming jerk in our SF careers .
Still, its best to formulate a strategy for these situations- it can no doubt be frustrating to be in the situation.
which SF version is this? first i though SSFII but its a bit different i think
Daigo sure loves his shotos
man i would be really pissed if i lost a tournament like that
Oh yes - yes, it does. Even though I'm sure the two would never disrespect each other in public, when they sit down next to each other to play a match nowadays, you can just 'feel' the animosity between the two. The only reason I'd say something like this anyway is simply because it's true - Alex Valle is another master street fighter, and it's just my opinion anyway. :)
@kofcr Both players were using the exact same character. And don't point to Ken as a head-swap either - Ken has sufficiently differing gameplay from Ryu in both 3rd Strike and Super 4 AE to be considered a completely different character.
dude, its like a sport to them
you didn't see all his videos,he lost against momochi and kiyo quite a few times,as you can clearly see daigo only relies on fireballs,while momochi and kiyo are technical when fighting.
I also didn't say "everyone" was like that, but I've seen it enough to get an impression. Also, I completely forgot about the elitists in that room that are too good to play people that aren't on their level. They'll boot people out of games so one of their friends can play instead because they're better.
Look how serious the Hadouken concentration is... not moving an inch of their face! 😂
if the guy jump attacks and you block, you have the grab advantage.
@DrummerFromColdplay Hey umm, I was thinking today, not that I doubt your VG knowledge or anything, but can you explain why T.Hawk would rape Ryu? :D (I haven't played any T.Hawks)
omg, out of the first 50 posts there's only like 3 that are mainly about SF. how does this happen?
ppl understand what great a strategy it is... but if you were inexperienced and it happened to you, you cant tell me you wouldnt get mad...
well if it means anything, Daigo played guilty gear and praised it for its game system
Daigo is the master of poker face
Is this the time Ryu uses the Hadouken?
Ah a new challenger has appeared in the world of Street Fighter lol Alpha 3 is rather hard to be honest but lots of fun too.
I've just have had some bad experience with them, as in I always do better than the opponent but he spams and spams and I lose a lot of health so then he ends up beating me and is arrogant and rubs it in my face ,saying that he "kicked my ass" and calls me names and I just can't stand it.
I've gradually learned to overcome this,but during say sf2 and alpha period ,this was a major pain.
I think you just made me realize what my problem is it when comes to mirror matches with a competent player: I'm not very patient.
Watch this video and you will see both players spam, but both players know how to counter it.
Spamming just fills a gap, because there is alot more going on without a player even hitting a button.
Playing styles differ from game to game, and character to character
It's on the Wii. You can tell by the graphics.
thats because the chip didnt take effect for the super yet, so he just added.
i have played them, and just like any other fighting game they have character tiers.
hahahahaha thats not at all the finish i was expecting. slick shit from the beast
do you have HD remix?
aaah the good ol' days of SFII when spamming hadouken is the best strategy XD
Random damage overhead ftw.
I love how Daigo fakes the super a couple of times.
damn, clever play for the advancing medium.
astonishingly, hd remix is even faster
More 81 people who are annoyed by constant fireballs. I count myself among them, to be fair. And yes, I know it's a valid/the best way to play, but god is it tedious.
lol epic come back at the end.... also i like the way they say ryu wins!
yu weens!
P sure they’re saying you win
It's nice reading the years old salty ass comments from individuals that don't even compete.
So TH-cam recommendations got you too huh
@encarta69 its hard to tell I think it was one of the guys with the black belt.
Haha, it doesn't surprise me, that and Killer Instinct !
lol, if u move the scroll bar side to side, theyre completely motionless throught the WHOLE video, it is a video though haha
If you want to see Daigo's real miracle... look up his Evo 2k4(?) 3rd Strike win where he full parries Chun Li's super with only a sliver of health left to win the round... it's awesome.
@memokk daigo is the guy doing the hadokens and the shoryukens and the kicking and punching and stuff
This was on X-Box, PS2 or Dreamcast?
your right you cant parry when the screen is frozen but if your are in forward animation befor the screen is frozen then you can parry I do this to my friend every know and then but it hard because you kind of have to predict when will they relase it