I think whirlpool deserves his OWN teir because of how absolutely disgusting he is 🤮 EDIT: please dont start a fight, there's a lot of "no, lower!" in the replies- Sappy part of edit: BUT STILL THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH!!!! have a good day/night wherever and however you are
Whirlpool (he doesn’t even come close to deserving that cool of a name) is the dragon embodiment of a slug slime. He was literally just buttering up Coral and trying to marry his way into being king the entire book. Good riddance 🤮
HIS VIBE LITERALLY GIVES OFF WEIRDO. Killing Tsunami just so he didn't have to marry her. DISGUSTING. I HAVE NO IDEA WHY WHIRLPOOL DOESNT GET HIS OWN Z-Tier. but it is true only two things and he creates ink which is the only single good thing he ever did. Thank you for listening to my TeD talk
JMA describing deathbringer: Deathbringer!!! It just keeps getting better! Our sarcastic soft-hearted lovey-dovey assassin!! General tempest and Slaughter: ._.
In my opinion,Queen scarlet is the best villain and she is one of the most important character, she played a very important part in book one, she is the best and deserves to be in s tier
I kinda wish we could see what exactly makes her so chaotic and evil and where she got her diabolical manipulative traits from. That’s never really explored.
I like how the school terrorist got a higher rating than most of the villains💀. Also, Whirlpool gets his own category, he doesn't deserve as high as an F rating.
@@FIamboyance no. You realize his story is basically "I tried to kill someone so I could marry her younger sister who is almost certainly well over ten years younger than I am" He can die all the horrible deaths in the world. His age is unstated, but he's got to be fairly old to be on the council.
@@ellabennett6091 He's not interested in Anemone in *that* way as far as we know. He's interested in having power. Since kings usually don't have power, of course he's gonna try to marry a princess he thinks he can bully and manipulate once Coral is dead, rather than the princess who is independent to the point of thinking that listening to advice makes you a bad leader. The common fan interpretation is that he's a creepy pedophile, but nothing in the text supports that idea.
This was actually the FIRST tier list I ever got to actually participate in, so I’m happy I’m finally getting to be included in the votings with all the WOF lovers ^^
Really interesting how people don't like Cattail for being the perfect MudWing mother. She did absolutely nothing wrong. Maybe through the view of other cultures, it feels wrong, but to MudWings, it's how they live their life.
Well, people might also not like Cattail because she was kind of rude. Clay was obviously unaware of MudWing cultural norms, so she could've acted a bit more considerate towards him instead of brushing him off. People hating her for just being a MudWing doing MudWing things is unfair, though.
Deathbringer is literally the nightwing version of Qibli(before Glory). I also like how almost all the Rainwings got the highest spots on the tier list.
i think a lot of people rate characters based on how much they like them and not based on how good of a character/how well written they are, so whenever a character is meant to be hated, they get low ratings even if they are an objectively well written character.
@@Lookink54-utagreed. Same with characters like Smolder who get put in tiers they don’t belong just because of positive association to an objectively good character (thorn in smolders case). I just about died when that idiot got put in a tier 😭😭😭
12:21 Hey JMA, what happened to Undauntable btw? As someone who adored his character and liked the theory about him being Bandit (more about that later), I certainly would like to know what happened to him 👀. Also theory time. So some people believe that Bandit's true identity is Prince Undauntable. While it isn't exactly direct evidence to support it, there are some rather interesting clues to suggest this could be plausible. If we consider the ominous ending of Dragonslayer and Bandit's introduction in Moon Rising, Bandit is described as "exotic" by Winter's standards. Granted, this could just be Winter fanboying over his pet but remember this detail for later. Throughout Moon Rising, Bandit pretty much does nothing of value, other than lazing around, eating Berries from Kinkajou, and having a moment of Sympathy from Moon, Bandit is pretty much like every typical scavenger we saw from that point. However, let's take a moment from the graphic novel. In the graphic novel, we see Bandit oddly wearing pale-orange clothing that resembles a robe and his face happens to be round-shaped (though this could just be how Mike Holmes designed him). In Dragonslayer, we see a character who oddly matches this description: Undauntable! Wren describes our boy as having a moon-shaped face and wearing pale orange robes because he is royalty. Coincidence? I THINK NOT! And it gets even better. In Escaping Peril, Peril happens to notice a sad-looking scavenger wearing orange clothing, riding on a camel. Along this scavenger happens to be a group of humans traveling and guess where we see humans again? Back in Qibli's book, Darkness Of Dragons! Considering Tui like to have connections in her storytelling, it's pretty much safe to assume that the scavengers we see in Vulture's Maze are the same ones we see in Peril's stories. I summarize that Undauntable has decided to escape his city and risk himself to forward Wren about his dad's intentions for her. However, during his travels, he gets captured by Winter and ends up becoming his pet. Failing in his quest, Undauntable's spirit is broken, and he is isolated. I like to think Tui could use this as development for Undauntable since it's made rather clear that he is an abused child, is looked down upon by many, and is lonely. But this would make sense considering Bandit was fed dead rats and humans obviously can't eat raw meat. Anyway, the final piece of the puzzle is Bandit not willing to leave Winter's cage. If we consider Bandit to be Undauntable, then this would make the most sense because Undauntable lacks knowledge of survival. So in conclusion, I think Tui is setting up a redemption arc for Undauntable. He goes to Jade Mountain during his search for Wren, and we learn about his problems, he is freed by Winter and comes across a group of people, he enters Vulture's palace and most likely learns the sad truth about human nature and what life is like outside his city and gets rescued by Winter and Qibli. This moment inspires Undauntable knowing that there is some good in dragons and he matures. Instead of being like Wren who outcasted humanity, Undauntable decides he would help make peace with both species since the two are the same and goes on a different quest: to seek a way of becoming The Undauntable Lord and to help create a paradise for all of dragon and humankind. I get S1 Prince Canute/S3 Prince Zuko vibes from Undauntable and honestly, I am down with this and hope this theory comes true. LET HIM COOK, TUI!!!
Hahaha, I forgor his audio so I skipped him in the visuals - he will be on the final list though! What a crazy theory this would be though. It would be so cool if it was true!
Winter is my absolute favorite character so I’m excited to see him ranked, my second favorite character ever is actually Sky, but I see a LOT of people hating Sky so I was pleasantly surprised to see him ranked so high! I love him
I think Sunny deserved high S teir, i admit i am bias but rereading wof i really started to relate to her, feeling judged by others, and not being listened to. But she was the one who had the idea to end the war, when others wanted to give up. if it weren't for her, the war would probably had kept going on.
I really want a canon event where Sky and Peril finally meet. Then one day all of the DoD meet up bringing along their partners, and Peril (Clay’s gf) decides to bring Sky and Wren along so Wren can finally see Murderbasket again. OKAY, BUT THAT SCENE WHERE SHE STABS HIM IN THE TALON WAS ACTUALLY SO FUNNY. HE WAS SO FRICKING SHOCKED. 😭
I actually think that Kestrel was a pretty decent character despite the fact about how she raised the dod's. She was extreamly interesting to read about and I loved her backstory about Sky and Peril. Her story gave the readers (in my opinion) a little bit more to work off of about how cruel the skywings were about firescales and/ or really any powers that could spell possible doom for their kingdom. I was a little bit disapointed that she didn't get put higher but, I do understand that she treated the dod's terribly during their time under the mountain. I honestly think that if Kestrel was'nt killed so early we might've gotten to see some of her brighter side which might've made her a more lovable and kinder dragon. (edit) Gosh what did the fabulous exciting Queen Scarlet (and Flame) ever do to you?!?!?! #Savetheskywings
She was only mean so she could convince yourself that she didn’t care about them, she knew she shouldn’t of gotten so attached, and she didn’t wanna make the same mistake again and repeat the heartbreak, but in the end when they were in danger she disregarded her own life and put them at first priority like a true mother.
Unfortunately I was unable to rank the characters, as trouble with my device kept me from accessing the form. However, it was so fun to see everyone’s opinions on these characters!
Older fan here, just gotta say: Smolder, and specifically the Smolder+Thorn ship is refreshing for being one of the only "mature" relationships in the series. Not in the saucy way, but specifically all the other romances are presented as "puppy love", very sudden and passionate and not really based on much (except for like Clay+Peril, which also rules). By contrast Smolder and Thorn are both experienced in love, have a child from a previous serious relationship, and give each other a soft/quiet support, where they don't necessarily need to prove anything to the world. They have what seem to be healthy boundaries for each other (in another less well written series, Onyx challenging for the throne would have made Smolder immediately turncoat, and have melancholic back and forth drama where HE MUST CHOOSE OMG). On smolder himself, while he certainly could not be called heroic, he is definitely relatable. He's not an bad dude, but he does questionable things because he is in a world that has deadly consequences for standing up for himself, as proven (to him) by what happened when he was even secretly defiant with his baby mama. While most of us don't have that level of pressure (or those kind of crazy choices to make), we can all gel at least a little bit with being in a circumstance where doing the right thing is very hard, and we sometimes can't muster up the courage to do it in the face of society. He can do better, he'd like to do better, and is kind when life allows, but trauma and circumstance hold him back a bit more than is ideal.
Preyhunter be like : *cough*, *cough* am I a joke to you? Is it because I’m dead? Like I mean I wasn’t a super amazing character but like, even Fierceteeth and Strongwings were on there 😢
i agree with like all of these and i am super excited to see the next one :D (specifically the rain wings placement. as in glory, kinkajou, tamarin and jambu)
@@randomperson-kx6mv Yeah. Rainwings, Nightwings, and Silkwings are at the top of the list; Sandwings, Seawings, Icewings, Leafwings, and Hivewings are kinda in the middle; and Skywings and Mudwings barely get any attention.
I honestly don't know HOW Flame ranked so low. He was honestly one of the best written side characters. I feel like at the very least he should've been able to get A Low A
I mean, he was kind of just a massive hothead who hates anyone who had any remote connection to his misfortunes. And he was a jerk even before he got the scar his face. And nothing else really comes out of his character. There’s also his love for his mother but that doesn’t really go for much of anything.
@@TrickyTalon23 I'd like to disagree. (This is going to be a bit, so if you don't wanna read it all, there'll be a TD;DR at the end, but I think it would be worth a read, just for my point of view. Like a lot of the false DOD, Flame just wanted to live with his family, so when he was taken by the NightWings and then forced to go to school both against his will, of course he'd be a bit hotheaded. We've seen moments when he hasn't been hotheaded, mostly when he was told he might have a chance to go back home/get out of the NightWing island in Book 4. in Book 6, he was one of the calmest people, and only got upset when he sensed someone in his mind that wasn't him. In Books 9 and 10, he was imprisoned for trying to kill Stonemover, but it's heavily hinted in the books that Darkstalker controlled Flame to do that when he healed his face because he wanted to either get rid of competition or have an excuse to use magic on Stonemover and be able to control him later while he did so. If he was *really* upset at Stonemover, his first instinct would've likely been to kill Stonemover when he was given the ring to be freed from prison, since again, he said he wished he thought of the bombs, because then he'd brag about it. Instead, he just immediately goes back home, because that's what he's wanted from the beginning. He never wanted to be at the school. He never wanted the NightWings to kidnap him and almost kill him. The book shows and states that all he wants is to go back home, and to be taken seriously. In fact, when he does wish he had set off the bomb to kill people, Moon reads in his mind that he only wishes that because he wants to be taken seriously. He's just a dragon who's misunderstood, both by readers and by other dragons in the books. TL;DR Flame isn't as hotheaded as many people perceive him as, and he had many great reasons to be upset. He's just a dragon who misses home and wants to be taken seriously
Eh, I feel like Flame has a bit of missed potential... I would've liked to see him develop more. Luckily, though, the WoF fandom is on top of that 😌✨️I love the fandom versions of him.
I’m so happy! finally pointed out that coral is such a bad queen! Like I thought I was the only person who realized “Hey she isn’t really good but more half bad”. But in arc 2 she got better.
I’m so glad Glacier made it as high as she did. I think she was the only one of the reigning arc one queens who was actually a good queen. Scarlet was insane, Coral was really awful to her guards and kinda her tribe in general, the RainWing queens were… themselves… the SandWing sisters only cared about themselves and not the good of the tribe or continent for that matter, Moorhen I admit we didn’t see much of but she didn’t seem to care about the major losses her tribe was enduring nor the insanity of her allies. Battlewinner is honestly the only other queen I would argue was remotely alright, given that while the invasion and takeover of the rainforest was an awful plan morally, she was pretty forced into it. It was go to somewhere safe on the mainland or face the complete annihilation of her tribe. Glacier, above all the others, was shown to have a love of her family and her tribe as a whole. She allied with the most “stable” SandWing Queen and was doing at least a little to teach Blaze to be a strong queen. Yes she got murder-y at times, but considering what we know of the IceWing crown, is that surprising?
Also, I'm pretty sure that if Sutherland rewrote the book today, she'd change the epilogue of book 4 so that Glacier doesn't casually say she'll murder the dragonnets if they don't support Blaze. I think Sutherland decided to make Glacier a more positive character only in Winter's Turning. Before that, she was just another generic evil queen.
Agreed, though I'll also say that Glacier's remarks at the end of book 4 played the primary role of creating tension for book 5 - a form of cliffhanger setting up the finale. We needed to see that all three of the SandWing sisters were going to make the DoD's goal difficult if not impossible to accomplish. I'm not sure how many other ways to do that with Blaze would have worked without Glacier being willing to... take matters into her own hands.
Man what a great JMA love the tier list so far can’t wait for part two Also I recently found out Smolder has a daughter if you didn’t know her names is onyx if you did know then that’s ok but I’m still surprised that she is Smolders daughter Also if it’s not to much to ask will willow heart join you in the next one That’s all I have to say hope your having good day or night bye now #JMbli
Im surprised sora and umber are so night, isn’t sora literally “one who is not what she seems” other than that I think clay and starflight deserve to be higher but 3-4 spots.
Qibli deserves SSSSSSSSSSS+ tier for part two! Also, I feel like Reed should have gotten B+ because he is trying his best to be a bigwings, even though he isn't supposed to be. He is a great leader for Clay's sibs! Apart from that one slip-up with Crane dying, he is keeping everyone safe!
@@pyronuke4768 yeah, but it’s understandable. Tui just completely forgot about the character development he went through in his pov book 7, which ended in him staying put in his frowned upon role as Moon’s school bully. It’s actually sad, he could have been an good, likeable character with better writing
@@FIamboyancewell for me, Winter was really interesting in the first half of the arc. In Moon rising he's introduced as the bully character, but through Moon's mind reading we find his rough exterior stems from his self-loathing and lack of social skills, and deep down he yearns to be a person who's worthy of love and respect. The classic Jerk-with-a-heart-of-gold trope. In Winter Turning we get a deeper dive into his psyche. He feels like he's always in someone else's shadow, and he spends the entire book trying to prove himself. In the meantime he starts to realize Icewing society isn't all that it's cracked up to be and that the mentality he was raised with is actually pretty toxic. In the end he renounces his tribe, frees Foeslayer, and heads off to reunite with his Winglet, something he never would have done at the beginning of the book. It's actually some really well written and realistically paced character development. ...And then he spends the second half of the arc faceplanting down a staircase because Tui hadn't planned what to do with Winter after this and just reverted him to being the bully character to create friction with whoever the current book's POV was. At this point Winter's character was still kinda salvageable, but then in the rushed climax of Darkness of Dragons he gets thrown under the bus for plot conveniences. Watching this character who started off with a ton of potential take L after L just makes me wanna reach into the pages and give him a hug.
@@pyronuke4768 Interesting. Many of Winter L’s are of his own doing canonically, but I blame them on Tui rushing. Even as a Qibli fan and Moonbli shipper who was rooting against Winter for all of arc 2, I still wanted him to be happy. Maybe his character arc will redeem itself in a possible book 16, idk. All I do know is that his poorly thought out role in books 8-10 kind of overwhelmed the promise that he showed in 6-7, and left a sour taste in my mouth after finishing arc 2. I only wish his story lived up to its A+ tier potential, but I honestly can’t give him anything higher than low-mid B+ tier.
I'm so glad Kinkajou made it to S teir with Glory 1. Their beasties 2. Kinkajou and Glory are a great match 3. Their both really popular dragons And 4. They made book 3 more interesting
Okay, honestly, i agree with almost all of these placements. Though pretty much everyone but cattail, wh.rlpool and Coconut i kinda love as a character, because i can see why They make their choices.
Dude umber is one of the most underrated charecters in the book like literally, my top question is after I read all the arcs WHAT HAPPENED TO UMBER & SORA like we didn’t hear from them at all after book 6. And I’m curious to know what happened to them,, maybe they went back to queen moorhens palace or somewhere far from icicle? But ngl I also think umber, kinkajou and riptide deserve their own books. 1. I want to know what happened to umber and Sora 2. Kinkajou REALLY deserves her own pov. 3. Maybe it can show riptides adventures of being the new leader of the talons of peace?
Honestly everyone who rated dragons in the form I swear only read the main 15 and never read winglets or legends, the ratings some good characters are getting and how they are is blowing my mind.
The fandom's dislike of Mastermind, Fierceteeth and Strongwings makes me sad. No, they're most certainly NOT good people, but I think they're all some super interesting and unique characters! Also, Moorhen? She's great too!
given the clues in dragonslayer: wren found him in a river, he saw kestrel with the dragonets and acted like he knew her, etc and sky's description in book fourteen, he has no fire, i think he's peril's long lost, and thought dead brother
Omg I loved this, and I’m so excited for part two and three. I agree almost completely with the list, except I feel like Queen Scarlet deserved a higher spot. Sure she’s not very like-able but she was a somewhat important character for a large portion of arc one and two. The people did rate her so low because, well, (like me) no one really likes her. But I think she deserved a higher spot. When you put like ability aside, she was a good character for the role she played: the bad guy. Those thoughts aside, I love your content jma, keep up the amazing work! P.S. I would love to see u comment for two reasons. One I would love to see your thoughts about my opinion. Two it was just make me really happy. LOL
Trueeeee - Scarlet was a great villain. Some people loved her for it, some people hated her for it. I think that, in itself, is the mark of a good one. Fun thoughts here!
Tysm for replying! Your perspective on everything is just so cool. I guess thats why people watch you talk and talk about dragons, feeling entertained. I like the way you think hard about all the characters, and every detail about them. Truly amazing, keep up the amazing work :)
I think whirlpool deserves his OWN teir because of how absolutely disgusting he is 🤮
EDIT: please dont start a fight, there's a lot of "no, lower!" in the replies-
Sappy part of edit: BUT STILL THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH!!!! have a good day/night wherever and however you are
Lol Z TEIR
@@Jaguar-drums No, lower. We'll put him at rock bottom and then get a giant drill.
@@-BubblyArt-nah Z- tier
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Z tier
6:02 *“Coral is the most evil character who is supposed to be a good guy.”*
Oh my moons that is the absolute perfect way to describe Coral!
Absolutely!
I swear you are everywhere
She must be doing SOMETHING right as Queen since her subjects were angry at Orca for almost killing her
@@avacornthelastponybender8583 that was a lot of years before the books started
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whirlpool: *does two things and dies*
the whole wof fandom: you are the most vile creature i have ever seen
Whirlpool (he doesn’t even come close to deserving that cool of a name) is the dragon embodiment of a slug slime. He was literally just buttering up Coral and trying to marry his way into being king the entire book. Good riddance 🤮
HIS VIBE LITERALLY GIVES OFF WEIRDO. Killing Tsunami just so he didn't have to marry her. DISGUSTING. I HAVE NO IDEA WHY WHIRLPOOL DOESNT GET HIS OWN Z-Tier. but it is true only two things and he creates ink which is the only single good thing he ever did. Thank you for listening to my TeD talk
In the words of Cyprus: Gill didn’t really like the slimy green sycophant either.
JMA describing deathbringer: Deathbringer!!! It just keeps getting better! Our sarcastic soft-hearted lovey-dovey assassin!!
General tempest and Slaughter: ._.
Yeee Deathbringer!!
Aww I think it’s really sweet that Peril and Sky were ranked right next to each other. Twins who are complete opposites but equally as enjoyable!
Peril is insufferable - sorry but I had to say iy
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@@clckcshe’s chaotic and kind of frustrating, but I think it’s intentional.
@@clckc yeah, her bluntness hurt my introverty soul.
@@clckcI relate to her and have kinned her since the first book lol
We all already know qibli’s gonna win lol
Lol😂
But SuNdEw!
@@theoverthinker8179snudoo overrated I had to say it
Lol
@@theoverthinker8179frrr
You forgot one thing when you described Clay:
Hungry. Clay is always hungry and I think that's a big reason as to why we all love him.
Yeah bro’s just comedic relief at this point how hungry and oblivious to Perils crush he is
Honestly you just described why I love Clay in one word 😂. I think he made me always hungry lol 🤣🤣
Very acuurate
I don't like Clay I think he is too soft
Seriously, he's the best guy, whole heartedly
In my opinion,Queen scarlet is the best villain and she is one of the most important character, she played a very important part in book one, she is the best and deserves to be in s tier
I agree
I kinda wish we could see what exactly makes her so chaotic and evil and where she got her diabolical manipulative traits from. That’s never really explored.
Bro...wut.................
@@TrickyTalon23 YES I always wanted to see more 🥲 that would make a great winglet (are they called winglets? I’m pretty sure they are but oh well)
@TrickyTalon23 I think her mother has a bit in the guidebook thing as she has her own character page on the wiki fandom now
"It's better to be evil then to be self absorbed"
Darkspooper: What if....hear me out.....I was *BOTH*
I like how the school terrorist got a higher rating than most of the villains💀.
Also, Whirlpool gets his own category, he doesn't deserve as high as an F rating.
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Right?!?! hahaha
He deserves a W rating, W for Whirlpool
He deserves -------E tier- E for eels 😂
Yes I must agree on everyone's vote for whirlpool
Wh.rlpool should have gotten Arctic's Death.
@@ellabennett6091Death by electric eel isn’t enough?! 🤣
@@FIamboyance no.
You realize his story is basically "I tried to kill someone so I could marry her younger sister who is almost certainly well over ten years younger than I am"
He can die all the horrible deaths in the world.
His age is unstated, but he's got to be fairly old to be on the council.
@@ellabennett6091 ok fair
@@ellabennett6091 He's not interested in Anemone in *that* way as far as we know. He's interested in having power. Since kings usually don't have power, of course he's gonna try to marry a princess he thinks he can bully and manipulate once Coral is dead, rather than the princess who is independent to the point of thinking that listening to advice makes you a bad leader.
The common fan interpretation is that he's a creepy pedophile, but nothing in the text supports that idea.
This was actually the FIRST tier list I ever got to actually participate in, so I’m happy I’m finally getting to be included in the votings with all the WOF lovers ^^
Wow this going to be great can’t wait for the next part to come out
i clicked faster than JMA could say "I LOVE QIBLI❤"
awesome video already and i haven't even watched it yet
That's so fast
Really interesting how people don't like Cattail for being the perfect MudWing mother. She did absolutely nothing wrong. Maybe through the view of other cultures, it feels wrong, but to MudWings, it's how they live their life.
Oi.
Would you like your mom if she sold you for a few cows?
Sometimes people just love hating on a character because everyone else does
Great point! Cultural lenses really do be out there.
Well, people might also not like Cattail because she was kind of rude. Clay was obviously unaware of MudWing cultural norms, so she could've acted a bit more considerate towards him instead of brushing him off. People hating her for just being a MudWing doing MudWing things is unfair, though.
@@randomperson-kx6mv That's a fair point.
Glory deserved to be in S tier.Deathbringer would agree😅
Oooo a new JMA video! I absolutely love your work bro! You’re doing great!
Deathbringer is literally the nightwing version of Qibli(before Glory). I also like how almost all the Rainwings got the highest spots on the tier list.
The Simpsons style for Heath was great, I have no idea where you got the image but it was hilarious.
It's from Disenchantment haha, I'm glad you liked it!
It is insane this requires 3 parts but I'm all in for the multi-episode, sequel-producing, lore-inviting videos
YESSSSS ITSSSSS BAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK It’s so interesting how some things have changed!
Morrowseer is underrated imo, D tier is way too low. He should've atleast been rated higher than blister.
Agreed he is my favorite villain. I could write a long paragraph about what makes him such a great antagonist.
Ikr, he’s definitely one of the most well written villains in the series
i think a lot of people rate characters based on how much they like them and not based on how good of a character/how well written they are, so whenever a character is meant to be hated, they get low ratings even if they are an objectively well written character.
@@Lookink54-utagreed. Same with characters like Smolder who get put in tiers they don’t belong just because of positive association to an objectively good character (thorn in smolders case). I just about died when that idiot got put in a tier 😭😭😭
Nobody:
*Morrowseer being on of the best villians in the entirety of WoF*
The WoF Fandom:
“Best I can do is D tier”
Me: Dies inside 💀💀💀💀💀😭😭😭😭😭
It is so cute how Sky and Peril ended up right next to each other!
I’m so sad I missed the form 😂
Fav character though is Freedom! (arc 3)
Respect that opinion! Freedom had a legendary character arc 🔥
@@FIamboyance I know right! She’s awesome. Wish we could have more from her, but she did what had to be done. 🫡
imo freedom was the best part of book 15
I havent seen the video yet, but i alreay know people are gonna underrate Morrowseer
JMA: Simps super hard for Qibli
Also JMA: Attains Qibli power of Simping for Thorn too.
What is this magic and how can I attain it?!?
12:21 Hey JMA, what happened to Undauntable btw? As someone who adored his character and liked the theory about him being Bandit (more about that later), I certainly would like to know what happened to him 👀.
Also theory time. So some people believe that Bandit's true identity is Prince Undauntable. While it isn't exactly direct evidence to support it, there are some rather interesting clues to suggest this could be plausible. If we consider the ominous ending of Dragonslayer and Bandit's introduction in Moon Rising, Bandit is described as "exotic" by Winter's standards. Granted, this could just be Winter fanboying over his pet but remember this detail for later. Throughout Moon Rising, Bandit pretty much does nothing of value, other than lazing around, eating Berries from Kinkajou, and having a moment of Sympathy from Moon, Bandit is pretty much like every typical scavenger we saw from that point. However, let's take a moment from the graphic novel. In the graphic novel, we see Bandit oddly wearing pale-orange clothing that resembles a robe and his face happens to be round-shaped (though this could just be how Mike Holmes designed him). In Dragonslayer, we see a character who oddly matches this description: Undauntable! Wren describes our boy as having a moon-shaped face and wearing pale orange robes because he is royalty. Coincidence? I THINK NOT! And it gets even better.
In Escaping Peril, Peril happens to notice a sad-looking scavenger wearing orange clothing, riding on a camel. Along this scavenger happens to be a group of humans traveling and guess where we see humans again? Back in Qibli's book, Darkness Of Dragons! Considering Tui like to have connections in her storytelling, it's pretty much safe to assume that the scavengers we see in Vulture's Maze are the same ones we see in Peril's stories. I summarize that Undauntable has decided to escape his city and risk himself to forward Wren about his dad's intentions for her. However, during his travels, he gets captured by Winter and ends up becoming his pet. Failing in his quest, Undauntable's spirit is broken, and he is isolated. I like to think Tui could use this as development for Undauntable since it's made rather clear that he is an abused child, is looked down upon by many, and is lonely. But this would make sense considering Bandit was fed dead rats and humans obviously can't eat raw meat. Anyway, the final piece of the puzzle is Bandit not willing to leave Winter's cage. If we consider Bandit to be Undauntable, then this would make the most sense because Undauntable lacks knowledge of survival. So in conclusion, I think Tui is setting up a redemption arc for Undauntable. He goes to Jade Mountain during his search for Wren, and we learn about his problems, he is freed by Winter and comes across a group of people, he enters Vulture's palace and most likely learns the sad truth about human nature and what life is like outside his city and gets rescued by Winter and Qibli. This moment inspires Undauntable knowing that there is some good in dragons and he matures. Instead of being like Wren who outcasted humanity, Undauntable decides he would help make peace with both species since the two are the same and goes on a different quest: to seek a way of becoming The Undauntable Lord and to help create a paradise for all of dragon and humankind. I get S1 Prince Canute/S3 Prince Zuko vibes from Undauntable and honestly, I am down with this and hope this theory comes true. LET HIM COOK, TUI!!!
Hahaha, I forgor his audio so I skipped him in the visuals - he will be on the final list though! What a crazy theory this would be though. It would be so cool if it was true!
Winter is my absolute favorite character so I’m excited to see him ranked, my second favorite character ever is actually Sky, but I see a LOT of people hating Sky so I was pleasantly surprised to see him ranked so high!
I love him
Winter's my favorite too.
:D
We all know that queen moorhen is one the most underrated queen
Anemone saved the wof fandom by killing whirlpool, we need to give her more love.
Exactly
I think Sunny deserved high S teir, i admit i am bias but rereading wof i really started to relate to her, feeling judged by others, and not being listened to. But she was the one who had the idea to end the war, when others wanted to give up. if it weren't for her, the war would probably had kept going on.
I really want a canon event where Sky and Peril finally meet. Then one day all of the DoD meet up bringing along their partners, and Peril (Clay’s gf) decides to bring Sky and Wren along so Wren can finally see Murderbasket again. OKAY, BUT THAT SCENE WHERE SHE STABS HIM IN THE TALON WAS ACTUALLY SO FUNNY. HE WAS SO FRICKING SHOCKED. 😭
I do want that two, but I want them to realize their siblings too.
I actually think that Kestrel was a pretty decent character despite the fact about how she raised the dod's. She was extreamly interesting to read about and I loved her backstory about Sky and Peril. Her story gave the readers (in my opinion) a little bit more to work off of about how cruel the skywings were about firescales and/ or really any powers that could spell possible doom for their kingdom. I was a little bit disapointed that she didn't get put higher but, I do understand that she treated the dod's terribly during their time under the mountain. I honestly think that if Kestrel was'nt killed so early we might've gotten to see some of her brighter side which might've made her a more lovable and kinder dragon.
(edit) Gosh what did the fabulous exciting Queen Scarlet (and Flame) ever do to you?!?!?! #Savetheskywings
She was only mean so she could convince yourself that she didn’t care about them, she knew she shouldn’t of gotten so attached, and she didn’t wanna make the same mistake again and repeat the heartbreak, but in the end when they were in danger she disregarded her own life and put them at first priority like a true mother.
Aww man Starflight got the lowest of the Dragonets of Destiny? He’s my favorite among them
Same.
Same, he's my favorite character.
Unfortunately I was unable to rank the characters, as trouble with my device kept me from accessing the form. However, it was so fun to see everyone’s opinions on these characters!
Also, have you read the first 17 pages of Guide to the Dragon World?
Nope!
@@JadeMountainArchiveYou should!
@JadeMountainArchive
Yeah, you really should, the little we got was quite interesting!
Just saw this!! So excited to watch all three parts. Love your channel, keep it up JMA!!
Lets gooo my boi Starflight got A tier, I am too much of a Starflight fan lmao-
video was 21 seconds ago nice
It feels illegal to be this early
Older fan here, just gotta say: Smolder, and specifically the Smolder+Thorn ship is refreshing for being one of the only "mature" relationships in the series. Not in the saucy way, but specifically all the other romances are presented as "puppy love", very sudden and passionate and not really based on much (except for like Clay+Peril, which also rules). By contrast Smolder and Thorn are both experienced in love, have a child from a previous serious relationship, and give each other a soft/quiet support, where they don't necessarily need to prove anything to the world. They have what seem to be healthy boundaries for each other (in another less well written series, Onyx challenging for the throne would have made Smolder immediately turncoat, and have melancholic back and forth drama where HE MUST CHOOSE OMG).
On smolder himself, while he certainly could not be called heroic, he is definitely relatable. He's not an bad dude, but he does questionable things because he is in a world that has deadly consequences for standing up for himself, as proven (to him) by what happened when he was even secretly defiant with his baby mama. While most of us don't have that level of pressure (or those kind of crazy choices to make), we can all gel at least a little bit with being in a circumstance where doing the right thing is very hard, and we sometimes can't muster up the courage to do it in the face of society. He can do better, he'd like to do better, and is kind when life allows, but trauma and circumstance hold him back a bit more than is ideal.
Interesting thoughts and a fun read!
Couldn't have said it better.
This was the first tier list i got to participate in :)) i'm really looking forward to the next part!!
Magnificent is the embodiment of the rainwing stereotype
Preyhunter be like : *cough*, *cough* am I a joke to you? Is it because I’m dead? Like I mean I wasn’t a super amazing character but like, even Fierceteeth and Strongwings were on there 😢
You do great at making these videos. Love your work JMA.
i agree with like all of these and i am super excited to see the next one :D
(specifically the rain wings placement. as in glory, kinkajou, tamarin and jambu)
All of them? Can't wait for Qibli to be rated
Same
S+ tier should be made and reserved for our Best Boi.
Being serious, I think we're slowly proving that the Rainwings are the best tribe
Have you met this fandom? Half of us are total simps for Rainwings.
@@pyronuke4768lol true
@@pyronuke4768I think Tui simps them as well, which is why they are always so kind and well written.
@imknowuh Yeah, it's extremely obvious which tribes are Tui's favorite lol.
@@randomperson-kx6mv Yeah. Rainwings, Nightwings, and Silkwings are at the top of the list; Sandwings, Seawings, Icewings, Leafwings, and Hivewings are kinda in the middle; and Skywings and Mudwings barely get any attention.
I really like theses sort of videos I can’t wait for part 2
I’ve been waiting for this! I love teir lists and I love WOF ones.
I honestly don't know HOW Flame ranked so low. He was honestly one of the best written side characters. I feel like at the very least he should've been able to get A Low A
I mean, he was kind of just a massive hothead who hates anyone who had any remote connection to his misfortunes. And he was a jerk even before he got the scar his face. And nothing else really comes out of his character. There’s also his love for his mother but that doesn’t really go for much of anything.
@@TrickyTalon23 I'd like to disagree. (This is going to be a bit, so if you don't wanna read it all, there'll be a TD;DR at the end, but I think it would be worth a read, just for my point of view.
Like a lot of the false DOD, Flame just wanted to live with his family, so when he was taken by the NightWings and then forced to go to school both against his will, of course he'd be a bit hotheaded.
We've seen moments when he hasn't been hotheaded, mostly when he was told he might have a chance to go back home/get out of the NightWing island in Book 4. in Book 6, he was one of the calmest people, and only got upset when he sensed someone in his mind that wasn't him.
In Books 9 and 10, he was imprisoned for trying to kill Stonemover, but it's heavily hinted in the books that Darkstalker controlled Flame to do that when he healed his face because he wanted to either get rid of competition or have an excuse to use magic on Stonemover and be able to control him later while he did so.
If he was *really* upset at Stonemover, his first instinct would've likely been to kill Stonemover when he was given the ring to be freed from prison, since again, he said he wished he thought of the bombs, because then he'd brag about it. Instead, he just immediately goes back home, because that's what he's wanted from the beginning.
He never wanted to be at the school. He never wanted the NightWings to kidnap him and almost kill him. The book shows and states that all he wants is to go back home, and to be taken seriously. In fact, when he does wish he had set off the bomb to kill people, Moon reads in his mind that he only wishes that because he wants to be taken seriously. He's just a dragon who's misunderstood, both by readers and by other dragons in the books.
TL;DR Flame isn't as hotheaded as many people perceive him as, and he had many great reasons to be upset. He's just a dragon who misses home and wants to be taken seriously
Thanks for the break-down, I like him too!
Eh, I feel like Flame has a bit of missed potential... I would've liked to see him develop more. Luckily, though, the WoF fandom is on top of that 😌✨️I love the fandom versions of him.
Yes! Another tier list!
Well Grandeur actually appeared in book 7, in the pavilion with Glory giving her advice since the book praticularly said "an old dragon said"
The struggle you had for saying "Whirlpool" 😂
I’m so happy!
finally pointed out that coral is such a bad queen! Like I thought I was the only person who realized “Hey she isn’t really good but more half bad”. But in arc 2 she got better.
I liked her a lot more in book 9 because we could finally see how she treated Turtle, and how much she loved him.
@@DreamSans2468 that’s exactly what I meant😀
Epic! This rating is going to take a while Ha ha!
glory also does have the magical death spit as sunny called it
Top tier content as always
I cant think asking over 1000 ppl this question lol 🗿🗿🗿
Your my favorite TH-camr btw
I’m so glad Glacier made it as high as she did. I think she was the only one of the reigning arc one queens who was actually a good queen. Scarlet was insane, Coral was really awful to her guards and kinda her tribe in general, the RainWing queens were… themselves… the SandWing sisters only cared about themselves and not the good of the tribe or continent for that matter, Moorhen I admit we didn’t see much of but she didn’t seem to care about the major losses her tribe was enduring nor the insanity of her allies. Battlewinner is honestly the only other queen I would argue was remotely alright, given that while the invasion and takeover of the rainforest was an awful plan morally, she was pretty forced into it. It was go to somewhere safe on the mainland or face the complete annihilation of her tribe.
Glacier, above all the others, was shown to have a love of her family and her tribe as a whole. She allied with the most “stable” SandWing Queen and was doing at least a little to teach Blaze to be a strong queen. Yes she got murder-y at times, but considering what we know of the IceWing crown, is that surprising?
Also, I'm pretty sure that if Sutherland rewrote the book today, she'd change the epilogue of book 4 so that Glacier doesn't casually say she'll murder the dragonnets if they don't support Blaze. I think Sutherland decided to make Glacier a more positive character only in Winter's Turning. Before that, she was just another generic evil queen.
Agreed, though I'll also say that Glacier's remarks at the end of book 4 played the primary role of creating tension for book 5 - a form of cliffhanger setting up the finale. We needed to see that all three of the SandWing sisters were going to make the DoD's goal difficult if not impossible to accomplish. I'm not sure how many other ways to do that with Blaze would have worked without Glacier being willing to... take matters into her own hands.
I remember taking this survey so exited to see it!
i actually got to vote this time so im really happy i got to make at least a small impact on the tier list also super exicted that theres more to come
Man what a great JMA love the tier list so far can’t wait for part two
Also I recently found out Smolder has a daughter if you didn’t know her names is onyx if you did know then that’s ok but I’m still surprised that she is Smolders daughter
Also if it’s not to much to ask will willow heart join you in the next one
That’s all I have to say hope your having good day or night bye now #JMbli
Interesting point hahaha - I hadn't considered that connection before. Makes it extra interesting when Onyx tries to kill Thorn in book 10!
QIBLI is 10/10
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Nice video, cant wait for arc 2 and 3 :>
*in aquatic in front of wh- he who shall no be named* SQUID FACE!
Im surprised sora and umber are so night, isn’t sora literally “one who is not what she seems” other than that I think clay and starflight deserve to be higher but 3-4 spots.
@_chxrrxx it could be many characters, Sora, pyrite, onyx, moon, peril, icicle, or even anemone
@@juststrahyk5377 It's one of the reasons why the prophecy in arc 2 is the best. Most of the lines can refer to different things.
@@legrandliseurtri7495 and some lines can refer to the same thing
I always assumed it was Onyx
Oh noooo JMA you made a mistake! Obviously Whirlpool is S tier, he's EVERYONE'S favorite! :D
yeah, we're working on figuring out how to resurrect him, actually!
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To kill him again.
@@ellabennett6091 💀
@@anightwingcloakedinshadow5448 he should be very grateful I'm not an animus that exists in his world.
His death would be horrible.
And very deserved.
Interesting perspective.
Princess Greatness is called Somptueuse in the french version. Tbh, I think that fits the character better.
oh my lord part 1 of 3 goodness
How did scarlet get b tier she is one of the most popular villains in the series and in the villains one she was at like the top
I KNOWWWW 😭😭 It's such a crime. I love her so much.
Haven't even watched the video yes, already know Qibli is getting S-teir
Qibli deserves SSSSSSSSSSS+ tier for part two! Also, I feel like Reed should have gotten B+ because he is trying his best to be a bigwings, even though he isn't supposed to be. He is a great leader for Clay's sibs! Apart from that one slip-up with Crane dying, he is keeping everyone safe!
6:13 Hey we can’t forget her character development in book 9. And it even gives us a better vision of her being herself at the end of book ten
We all know qibli is gonna be the highest ranked but I think winter deserves to be in A+ honestly
Really? Could u explain a bit more why I’m curious
I agree. I feel like a decent portion of the fandom are turned off by his attitude and don't take the time to connect with him.
@@pyronuke4768 yeah, but it’s understandable. Tui just completely forgot about the character development he went through in his pov book 7, which ended in him staying put in his frowned upon role as Moon’s school bully. It’s actually sad, he could have been an good, likeable character with better writing
@@FIamboyancewell for me, Winter was really interesting in the first half of the arc. In Moon rising he's introduced as the bully character, but through Moon's mind reading we find his rough exterior stems from his self-loathing and lack of social skills, and deep down he yearns to be a person who's worthy of love and respect. The classic Jerk-with-a-heart-of-gold trope.
In Winter Turning we get a deeper dive into his psyche. He feels like he's always in someone else's shadow, and he spends the entire book trying to prove himself. In the meantime he starts to realize Icewing society isn't all that it's cracked up to be and that the mentality he was raised with is actually pretty toxic. In the end he renounces his tribe, frees Foeslayer, and heads off to reunite with his Winglet, something he never would have done at the beginning of the book. It's actually some really well written and realistically paced character development.
...And then he spends the second half of the arc faceplanting down a staircase because Tui hadn't planned what to do with Winter after this and just reverted him to being the bully character to create friction with whoever the current book's POV was.
At this point Winter's character was still kinda salvageable, but then in the rushed climax of Darkness of Dragons he gets thrown under the bus for plot conveniences.
Watching this character who started off with a ton of potential take L after L just makes me wanna reach into the pages and give him a hug.
@@pyronuke4768 Interesting. Many of Winter L’s are of his own doing canonically, but I blame them on Tui rushing. Even as a Qibli fan and Moonbli shipper who was rooting against Winter for all of arc 2, I still wanted him to be happy. Maybe his character arc will redeem itself in a possible book 16, idk. All I do know is that his poorly thought out role in books 8-10 kind of overwhelmed the promise that he showed in 6-7, and left a sour taste in my mouth after finishing arc 2. I only wish his story lived up to its A+ tier potential, but I honestly can’t give him anything higher than low-mid B+ tier.
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How the heck was I first
@@-BubblyArt- idk but congrats!!
People who put cattail in f don’t understand that mudwings could care less about their eggs
Cannot wait for part two
I'm so glad Kinkajou made it to S teir with Glory
1. Their beasties
2. Kinkajou and Glory are a great match
3. Their both really popular dragons
And 4. They made book 3 more interesting
This was amazing even the w- whirlpool part . Just watch jma make a hole new tire lists just for QIBLI and it’s call something like BEST BOY .
Deathbringer definitely deserves A+, he's a true inspiration!
Proud to be a part of this survey
Yes! Glory, you go girl! You are the Queen! (Literally)
we need the parent tier list
Okay, honestly, i agree with almost all of these placements.
Though pretty much everyone but cattail, wh.rlpool and Coconut i kinda love as a character, because i can see why They make their choices.
12:58
Qibli: exCUSE mE?!? Explain your words!!!!!!!
“Morrowseer one of the most well written villains, D Tier”
-Ralph 2023
Bro literally gagged trying to say that slimy SeaWings name
Not me thinking Heath's name was "Health" until I watched this.
Dude umber is one of the most underrated charecters in the book like literally, my top question is after I read all the arcs WHAT HAPPENED TO UMBER & SORA like we didn’t hear from them at all after book 6. And I’m curious to know what happened to them,, maybe they went back to queen moorhens palace or somewhere far from icicle? But ngl I also think umber, kinkajou and riptide deserve their own books.
1. I want to know what happened to umber and Sora
2. Kinkajou REALLY deserves her own pov.
3. Maybe it can show riptides adventures of being the new leader of the talons of peace?
NOOOOOOOO I THINK I MISSED THIS ONE AAAAAA WHYYYYYYYY
also Qibli better get ranked first or else >:00000
Also also love your content
Agreed. If Qibli isn't first, I riot.
@@JadeMountainArchive literally makes my day when you replied
Sky’s little profile is from a amv AND IN THAT PART HE’S LOOKING AT A SNAIL AHWHWHWHWHWHW
Honestly everyone who rated dragons in the form I swear only read the main 15 and never read winglets or legends, the ratings some good characters are getting and how they are is blowing my mind.
NEW TIER LIST YEEEEEEES
Also, this is amazing!
The fandom's dislike of Mastermind, Fierceteeth and Strongwings makes me sad. No, they're most certainly NOT good people, but I think they're all some super interesting and unique characters! Also, Moorhen? She's great too!
given the clues in dragonslayer: wren found him in a river, he saw kestrel with the dragonets and acted like he knew her, etc and sky's description in book fourteen, he has no fire, i think he's peril's long lost, and thought dead brother
Great vid
Omg I loved this, and I’m so excited for part two and three. I agree almost completely with the list, except I feel like Queen Scarlet deserved a higher spot. Sure she’s not very like-able but she was a somewhat important character for a large portion of arc one and two. The people did rate her so low because, well, (like me) no one really likes her. But I think she deserved a higher spot. When you put like ability aside, she was a good character for the role she played: the bad guy. Those thoughts aside, I love your content jma, keep up the amazing work!
P.S. I would love to see u comment for two reasons. One I would love to see your thoughts about my opinion. Two it was just make me really happy. LOL
Trueeeee - Scarlet was a great villain. Some people loved her for it, some people hated her for it. I think that, in itself, is the mark of a good one. Fun thoughts here!
Tysm for replying! Your perspective on everything is just so cool. I guess thats why people watch you talk and talk about dragons, feeling entertained. I like the way you think hard about all the characters, and every detail about them. Truly amazing, keep up the amazing work :)
I do hope that flame gets more character development in arc four, and that someone becomes just a therapy dragon for him
NOOOO NOT RIGHT BEFORE QIBLI!!! Why you gotta leave us on that kind of a cliffhanger?
Family reunion with blister blaze and burn at 2:29😂