Is Honey Vegan?
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There’s a reason there’s the expression “busy as a bee.” These buzzing insects’ entire lives are dedicated to making sure the hive keeps humming and the next generation of bees are born. Worker bees are consistently building, cleaning and protecting their home. When they are not tending to the hive, they are foraging for food to feed the queen and drones.
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@@Tailionis what was that all about?
I am a beekeeper and also an ex-vegan. I still ate honey while I was vegan for several reasons. The first and foremost one being because humans don't keep bees for their products -- that's secondary. The primary reason we keep honey bees is to pollinate crops. We would need them for that even if there was no honey to be harvested. As a vegan, I knew bees are a non-negotiable essential requirement in order for us to have food, and buying honey ensures beekeepers can take good care of their bees, making sure their homes are in good repair, and the bees have food and medicine as well as giving them the gas cash necessary to haul hives criss-cross across country every year starting in California with the almond orchards and ending in Maine and Florida.
Two, honey harvest does not harm bees. If you know what you are doing, you don't even need any protection. I know beekeepers that go out to their yards in shorts and flip flops and they almost never get stung. We can hear from the pitch of the buzzing how the bees are feeling. They're curious little creatures and they'll land and sit on your shoulders while you work. They're really very docile and sweet, highly intelligent for insects, and they'll tell you if they don't like it when you're doing something.
Three, I eat honey was because of allergies. I put raw local honey every morning in my coffee and voila...I don't have allergies. No incessant daily itching of the eyes, throat, mouth, and ears. No streaming tears and waterfalls of snot. No mountains of tissues and going insane from itching. I can simply enjoy summer breathing free.
Also...It's not "bee vomit" or "bee spit." It's HONEY. The honey crop or honey sac is seperate from the bee's actual stomach.
Honey bees also make WAY more honey than they can ever use over winter. If they make too much, and they usually do, they can damage their own hives by leaving no room for the queen to lay her eggs. This is called "honey binding." In which case all we have to do is take out the full honeycombs and give them fresh empties to work with. Beekeepers never take honey until the bees have gathered enough for themselves first. For those of us who aren't commercial beekeepers, that means years where the nectar flow is bad, and we get nothing. We spend the winter feeding our bees.
We also don't just open hives any old time. We do not like disturbing our bees, and we try to only touch hives when it's absolutely necessary. Every time we open them, we check the health of the hive and give any food or treatment necessary. Typically we only need to open a hive once a month.
I do not think vegans will ever come to a consensus on honey. Some are going to eat it, some aren't, and neither is wrong in their decision. I do encourage vegans to make the exception with honey because buying it is VERY beneficial for the animals and the environment and really helps them out, but if it's not what you feel is right for you, that's totally fine...you can plant flowers, make a "bee hotel," and/or promote less pesticide use in urban areas during landscaping and help us out that way. :)
fantastic comment! SO much great information! Why does this not have more thumbs up? It should be pinned imo it's such a great comment!
@longtail4711 - Very informative. Thank-you for posting this.
YES THANK YOU. I am also a beekeeper and was going to post much of this. I love this channel, but him calling it a stomach and bee vomit pissed me off, as he is supposed to be educating.
honey bees are the worst kind of bees, they are an invasive species from europe, instead of just pollinating the nectar, they take it leaving no nectar for the other species of bees
stale memes -- That's not entirely true. European honey bee varieties are considered naturalized, but not invasive. They've been in the United States for over 400 years now, and while honey bees can be moved into and out of a specific location overnight and that might put a stress on local populations of native bees, we have never heard of honey bees eliminating native bees from any particular spot. We aren't entirely sure though, so it's an ongoing area of study for apiculturists.
Africanized honey bees ("Killer" bees) on the other hand ARE officially listed as an invasive species we are actively working to eradicate.
It helps that the various species of bees don't all visit the same kinds of flowers. For example in the spring when my Rhododendrons are blooming, they are visited by our native bees, but honey bees won't touch them unless they are absolutely desperate, which hives tended by beekeepers almost never do because we feed them if they are having a bad year.
Also while all plants produce nectar, only plants that are visited by animal pollinators will produce it as long as their flowers are open. So flowers will replenish themselves and feed multiple insects before they close.
I was weeding my garden the other day. Working along side me was a bee. It was harvesting from snapdragons. This cute little workaholic was diving it's way into the tightly closed blossoms. It was fascinating to watch, and so charming really. It would poke it's head in each blossom, then start wiggling it's way in till nothing but it's fuzzy butt was sticking out. For a few seconds it's back-side would bop around like it was listening to some Beyonce. Then it would start backing up, pop out, maybe clean up a little, and off to the next bloom. I don't know how long I sat there in the warm sunshine just watching, but I got thirsty and brought out a quart of ice water w/lemon. My little coworker landed on the outside of the glass. I think it might have been drinking the condensation. It hoped off, sat on the rock for a few moments, then back to work. I dont know anything about if honey is vegan, but I have lived on this property for 14 years and only pull weeds or use vinegar / salt as weed killer. It's more work but, the company is good.
I can't help but think of a scene from _John Dies At The End_
_"“Do the bees know they make the honey for you? Or do they work tirelessly because they think it is their own choice?"_
Baron von Quiply Excellent movie reference
Such a great movie
That book was so weird
+J. C. no because it has pussy juice which is taking resources that may harm the humans liquid balance
Hi there, Adnan. The above was a quote from a movie. If you like otherwordly sci-fi then give it a watch, or read the books.
There's a certain way that you speak that keeps things very professional and very interesting. Best of all worlds
In Britain they call it "received pronunciation." It is the equivalent to the American Californian accent, that is, no perceived accent at all. As I understand it, all radio announcers in GB used it until WW2. During WW2 it was dropped as the broadcasting standard because regional accents were harder for the Germans to reproduce. They were concerned that the Germans might broadcast propaganda presented as the normal evening news. Broadcasters started allowing announcers to speak with the regional accents they used in their daily lives. I think received pronunciation is still used today by most British announcers. I'm pretty sure I learned this in another TIFO video long ago.
calichef1962 editing makes a huge difference. He also narrates another TH-cam channel called VisualPolitik and those videos are really badly edited. As a result his professionalism does not show through as much.
Ieuan Hunt I just wish it wasn't so flashy, it jumps around too much, and the music is not what I would choose for something educational and with a serious tone.
Jacob Schweitzer I know right and it's too loud. I watch TH-cam with headphones and I have to constantly change my volume settings on my device so I don't blow my eardrums out.
That's just crappy editing that is unacceptable on a professional video.
True, he does sound posh but, it's funny as hell when he looses it.
I'm vegan, and can confirm that this is the most argued about subject among vegans. Also, thank you for a superbly researched video, you covered all the arguments on both sides and went into detail.
I'm a vegan and I personally do choose to abstain from honey for many of the reasons stated in this video.
I did just want to say though that I really enjoyed this video, I found it interesting to hear both sides of the argument and I really hope that videos like this can help bridge some of the gap in understanding/perspective between vegans who eat honey, vegans that don't and non vegans alike.
Good I'm glad you stick to your convictions though I'm going to inform you of something that you may not want to hear. All plants require pollination can't produce the vegetables you like to eat. This requires bees. Therefore all vegetables are the result of these and a by-product thereof. So if you truly believe anything that is a result of animals you can't eat vegetables anymore
I’m vegan but yet at times I do consume ethically sourced honey from beekeepers. It’s a nutritious product with tons of health benefits.
Logically then an plant, fruit, and nut fertilized by commercialize bees is a by product and shouldn't be eaten?
Bobby Vee pollination of plants by bees does not cause suffering to bees. They are therfore ok for a plant based (or vegan) diet.
You would think crating up the hives, stacking them up, and trucking them to the farms would be. Maybe I'm missing how this is different from making honey. Thanks for the input.
No. Why would it? Neither plant nor pollen is a bee byproduct. They exist on their own in nature. It's not "anything an animal has ever touched."
In commercialized farms and bee keeper the bees don't live near the crops. The bee keepers are paid by the farmers to bring the bee to the crops, such as almonds. There simply aren't enough pollinators in a given area when the plants flower. This is true for most fruits as well. This means the bees have to be created up, stacked on trucks, shipped around the country trapped in these crates. This is the objection to taking the honey. If you look at the sources of income for bee keeper more comes from the farmers than from the honey. I'm just trying to understand the reasoning behind saying it is okay to make the bees suffer for pollinating but the honey by product isn't okay?
Exactly so the honey is a by product for getting the plants so why object to eating the honey. The bee have suffered either way.
The Beekeeper was my favorite member of the Village People.
These older videos are fantastic. Going back and seeing younger Simon and the format. As always amazing.
Thanks for the thoughtful episode!
Very interesting question and a thought provoking answer. My girlfriend actually puts on an annual vegan food drive, and the subject of what actually qualifies as vegan has been brought up a few times, as people brought gelatin to last years' event, not realizing that it is probably the furthest thing from vegan.
Actually, gelatin is more analogous to honey in some respects than might be apparent at first. For many years, gelatin was basically a waste product of the meat industry. It's also a relatively poor protein source, having an incomplete amino acid profile, much worse than any plant protein.
You're leaving out the part where, especially if you use naturally bee keeping, eating honey SUPPORTS bees. Bees are vulnerable to most pesticides and their numbers directly effect all the fruit and vegetables we ALL eat. By keeping bees and giving them a safe home to return to and providing fields free of pesticides, we're bolstering those numbers. And you can't really control where bees roam, so if you're keeping bees, those bees are going out and pollinating the community, allowing those fruits and vegetables to grow as I mentioned earlier. Bees are intrinsic to ALL food production (along with other pollinators). Keeping them protects bees from pesticides, or tries to, and supports the entire food network. Besides which, a healthy bee hive produces more honey than it needs. This makes sense as that surplus is there in case of an especially bad frost or other catastrophic events. They're very efficient creatures. But this means, again, especially if you use natural bee-keeping techniques, that you are doing NO harm to the bees at all by running off some of their honey that they won't need and won't miss. You're repaying them by giving them a safe place to live.
Look, it's still down to personal preference and if you just don't like honey, fine, don't eat it, don't buy it. And if you find companies that due treat their bees maliciously, boycott them by all means, but there is nothing inherently wrong with the consumption of honey. In fact, you're supporting the protection of bees by eating their honey and providing beekeepers with the income to continue supporting their bees. Those same bees that, without which, the food chain comes to a screeching halt. You can't grow without bees and other pollinators, you NEED them, we NEED to support and protect them. So by all means give money to beekeepers free of charge if you just want to support bees and still feel morally weird about eating honey. That'd be nice if vegan societies that reject honey did, at least, support bees in other ways.
Which is my whole point here: support bees. And right now, by refusing to eat honey, you would be hurting bees because fewer beekeepers would be supported. If that system is still wrong to you, find another way, I'll support you. But this is what we have now and it doesn't even hurt the bees. So go ahead and eat the honey, you're doing the whole world a favor.
Try telling that to some who feels but does not think.
So does regular bee keeping. And eating beef means more cows are produced.
It's just not a valid argument unless you give up the vegan concept altogether.
I said especially, not only. Cool story; I am not vegan neither am I here to defend veganism. The only point I wanted to make is that eating honey is not bad for bees. What people do with that information is their own business.
+turkeypedal
Yes, because supporting an industry that literally is the basis of the entire food-supply of humanity (not excluding vegan foods) is somehow not a valid position.
People like you existing are the reason why doomsayers give me pause these days... Stupidity like yours might just cascade humanity into extinction.
House Stark, that just shows how the vegan lifestyle is based on cult teachings not ethics doesn't it! Same applies to eating insects too, it's actually less harmful to the environment & causes far less insect & sentient animal deaths, but vegans say no, even though it meets their claimed objectives & is clearly the most ethical choice, it doesn't match the doctrine so can't be done.
Very sad!
Ive been thinking about this for a while, good stuff.
No doubt someone else has mentioned this but ...anyway. I like the way you introduced Trello briefly at the beginning, went quickly on to the main content, then said "so I hope you enjoyed the video" and THEN went on to talk at length about Trello. This is probably the best way to present your sponsor so people that want to watch your content can do so and know there will be no mention of the sponsor throughout and know exactly when to stop watching if they don't want to hear about the sponsor. :)
Vegan is so 2008. I don't eat anything that casts a shadow.
I think having the process of honey described like this makes me not want to use honey anymore.
That goes for many foods. Alcohol, cheese, pickles, yogurt, and several meats are all made by letting food spoil under specific circumstances.
Kimchi and sauerkraut, too :P
I’m just wondering where this beeswax is coming from he never quite explained that part.
+Vickie Vegas
Bees produce wax like spiders produce their web.
I just meant they both have a gland.
Yay back to a normal thumbnail! Excellent :-)
Hello Mr Simon. I really enjoy your videos they are always amazing & informative. I am curious though. Do you ever have any plans to do a behind the scenes video. I know it may be a very weird or dumb or odd question. Maybe even stupid maybe. But I am wondering do ya think maybe on a subscriber mile stone. Maybe do something like that. It would be neat in my opinion. You videos are always amazing. I always wonder how it's done. There si perfect in my opinion. Forgive me for such a weird question. I'm just always curious. Thanks for the informative videos I always enjoy them. Have a great day/night. Maybe a today I found out about amazing astronomical occurrences or discoveries.
Simon, can you please whistle after saying your name in a video just once, PLEASE!
Jacques Nel Simon Whistler = Simon the Whistler?! How about blowing into a whistle?
Honey is very much vegan friendly as they are the only animal that actually give their consent, or the equivalent of consent, as the queen will take her hive and leave if the conditions are not satisfactory, apparently.
Awesome topic...I have a Co-worker that thinks it is not Vegan...thanku for clarification on this topic.
I'd be interested in a video about services like the Trello one you mentioned, among many other "free" apps and services like it, and how they're able to provide such services for free. Is it all ad revenue? Data mining? Some other factors most of us aren't aware of? I'm always curious when I hear about such things which look good and well featured but are totally free to use how they make money to keep their business afloat
Thanks for another great video by the way, love this channel! And as a vegan myself I found this video very interesting and well thought out, as always!
So basically they bend the rules to fit their desires just like everyone else.
I consider eggs from small home grown groups of hens to be vegan technically
Surely, if the eggs have not been fertilised then that would be even more vegan than honey.
No animal product is vegan.
Today I found out. Can you do one on how many bugs a person eats a year, thanks
Thank you for covering this hard-hitting question
4/10, Not enough Trello
To save everyone from watching the video: If the Beekeeping is ethical, then the honey is vegan.
Thank you. lol
By this logic, any animal product can be vegan if they're ethical.
@@IIII...... honey isn't an animal product
The first time for me that a sponsor of a video actually sounded useful
can you do one on wisling?
It's natural but not vegan
Thekeyman1 *inevitably contains plastic*
What's *natural*
Not created via synthesis by man.
Saved me 7 minutes
Yup, as natrual as uranium.
It still fascinates me (not in a good way of course) how the idea, that '[anything living] can't feel pain' is still a thing.
Does Trello synchronize across mobile devices and desktop pc?
What are the other channels you mentioned?
I already know the answer because my weirdo cousin buys honey substitute because she's a vegan
Chuck Keough What a freak! Next you'll be saying she doesn't even eat meat or dairy!
She won't last... whenever I visit I bring over something like a cheese burger and start eating it in front of her.. she turns red and runs off.. not because it grosses her out, I know she craves meat, she was raised on a farm... her yuppie boyfriend is a vegan, I'll give it six months.. for some reason a vegan thinks they are better than everyone else.
But that's exactly what Chuck says, Geron. You literally said it yourself, they think they're better than non-vegans. Which is fine by me, but to torture yourself over it? Seems a bit nuts. Which are vegan, by the way. Coincendence? I think not!
Thanks for putting that into perspective... I'm 42, when you get older your brain tends to get locked in a single frame of thought, it's always nice to see a smart comment that gets my mind working again.
Chuck Keough be proud of yourself today sir. It’s hard not to be adversive about someone that lives and enjoys a complete different lifestyle from your own, and hard to see that person affect your own family. But that yuppie boyfriend has been through his own entire universe of life and pain and introspection and self expression, as have you. To be a bigger person and not let fear affect your treatment of people is mature. Try to ease up on them instead of trying to hold your position in front of them by waving cheeseburgers around. It only hurts those that you care about, as you obviously do about your family
This isn't a criticism directed at TIFO, but rather at the insinuation that beekeeping, commercial or otherwise, is somehow harmful to the general bee population. I severely doubt this is true, as beekeepers, particularly large operations, provide something of a haven for bee colonies. They provide hives with everything they need to survive and flourish (aka food and shelter) throughout the year and only do a little "robbing" on the side as recompense. It's a truly symbiotic relationship and, I would think, be the very definition of a vegan-friendly activity. It's also one of the oldest mutually beneficial human-insect interactions going back as far as ancient Egypt and earlier.
While queen excluding is practiced, it's not a universally adopted tenet and many beekeepers consider it unnatural and even a bit cruel, so they don't do it.
It should also be mentioned that beekeepers are helping to stem the tide of Africanization, as queens with aggressive genes are often isolated and destroyed before they can Africanize further colonies. Africanized hives are no joke and many apiaries won't tolerate that particularly nasty genetic strain.
A beekeeper's first priority is the health of their hives. They certainly don't do it to inflict sadistic pain and suffering on their local bee populations.
I am not sure what you mean by "queen excluding", but if it is just the practice of using a mesh to make some combs unreachable for the queen, this is a good idea, because it ensures there are no grubs in the harvested combs.
Perhaps the practice of using queen excluders has one or two beneficial uses, but it disrupts the "natural state" of any hive. I've seen beekeepers talk about the pros and cons and it seems to me that, by and large, the cons win out and that queens should be allowed free and unmolested access to just about any part of the hive.
The social structure of colonies is both simple and surprisingly complex. Artificially messing with that structure via manmade segregation seems rife with problems, both short and long-term. I certainly wouldn't do it unless I saw it had a net positive effect to a hive's health and longevity.
I never heard of any cons or someone argue about it (My farther is a beekeeper). I understand that it might mess with the communication, but it seems there are no known effects.
Well, like I wrote, there might be one or two benefits, but you have to consider the hive as a whole. Since the queen is the most central figure in any colony, not allowing her to interact with large parts of the hive (when she does so in the wild) seems like a very bad idea, especially considering how social bees are as an insect species. You don't know what stresses you're needlessly causing nor do you know how the hive will prosper (or not prosper) on a long-term basis. Unfortunately, I don't know of any scientific studies on the subject, but I personally wouldn't do it unless presented with overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
The queen can still interact with every bee, she just cannot acces some parts of the hive. Studies would be a good thing.
Excellent video
Great Video, Very Interesting
I'm a vegan because I only eat other vegans, and you are what you eat! Strangely enough, vegans taste like chicken... not that I would know what chicken tastes like...
Gravijta actually, we're very close to pigs anatomically. Humans taste like pork.
Sapere Aude I highly doubt that the similarity of anatomy means similar flavour and texture. I have heard that it tastes more like veal, at least according to an article I read where a guy tried human flesh that was donated.
He was joking and eww gross
Actually it’s like tender veal
More importantly, are Vegans human?
arcadeuk I think I’m human. So is my boyfriend!
Ha!......um. Are they?
World's shortest tifo video (no)
I think I'm a human
arcadeuk "Vegans can't be human
." -Meatism Society. There is your answer. Lol.
"Today on Today I Found Out we will be discussing honey but first I'd like to take a moment to discuss our sponsor of the day Honey the Chrome browser extension"
What is the sweet white sauce you dip fruit in
YES Honey is Vegan, enjoy ya'll life.
Ofcourse not it's the produce of an animal
Some vegans don't mind honey because even though it's an animal product, bee keeping helps bee population. It all depends on the vegan. But you're right, it's technically not vegan, but humans can take things on a case by case basis. The point of veganism is to prevent harm to animals, so if beekeeping helps bees, i don't see a problem with it.
So is dairy and eggs but the vegans go dipshit crazy over people consuming them anyway.
beekeeping doesn't help bees, and it harms indigenous pollinators, bee's weren't really a thing in the wild before people used them for honey. Because of beekeeping loads of pollinators are having trouble surviving if not going extinct
DroidTech plants would be a moral carnivore because they put use to the entire animal which is usually held as the moral thing to do with most humans at least when most humans hunted
Then they aren't vegan. It's all or nothing. Same as with 'vegetarians' that eat meat/fish sometimes. Then they aren't vegetarian. It doesn't matter, it's just a technicality.
the magic school bus show never taught me that aspect of honey production
On a commercial level, box hives are generally smoked, and a fair bit of protective gear is worn. On a hobbyist level you can, with a bit of care, omit all of it. Yes, you will get stung every now and then, but honey bee's are generally not very aggressive, and if you visit them regularly, they come to accept you, even when you steal the honey, so to speak.
Flowhives, (the style that lets you sneakilly steal honey from the hive, without opening it) has some drawbacks. They are generally to small, making the bee's starve, or freeze to death if you are in a cold climate, and they justdon't work, with all bee's. Some breeds use the honey collection comb for brood, and then it's screwed, others make the honey to thick and it wont run out of the comb, and yet other times, you get crystallized sugars in the tubing, and the flow is blocked. And you still have all the problems with disease, mites, and predators, which force you to regularly open a hive to maintain it.
The idea is to minimise opening the hive, reducing their stress, and your own, as they feel less threatened. There are big ones, they are just expensive. Flowhives obviously are not the solution that will turn beehives any more "vegan" but it is an interesting idea.
great info, thanks :)
Is anti-venom vegan?
Eddie the Head I would assume this is where the “when practical” applies.
Nah, if you are a vegan you are immune to things like cancer and venom.
Is a computer REALLY needed? Because it contains Stearic acid, all electronics do - read animal fats!
vegans are hypocrites!
Carbon ROFL! LOVE IT!
No
proudly bought some honey today that came from my home State of Texas
Cody'sLab does beekeeping with hives he builds himself but rarely uses smoke, he just uses a sugar water spray.
What about mushrooms?
Mixed Footage how wouldn't that be vegan?
Dutchik mushrooms are neither animals or plants
Stupid question.
Yuri Katz well they would be more vegan than actual plants.
They are reducers. And are a lot less responsive than plants...
They aren't responsive to any stimuli except if they live or die, due to moist or heat.
Plants do with sounds. Are thought to communicate when injured. Light. Etc.
Fungi don't.
You're inherently ignorant about how complex the behavior of fungi can get. They often form a symbiosis with plants, and communicate with plants via chemical bonds, in order to sustain themselves.
Seriously? "Yeah, they can't feel pain, they just respond to painful stimulus in exactly the way something that could feel pain does". I am dubious of this claim...(not that the video itself claimed it, but the people that the video quoted... yeesh)
ccggenius12 supposedly insects lack the infrastructure needed to detect pain as humans do.
There is a disorder in which humans can't physically feel pain, so they can get fatally injured and not be aware of the danger until they start shutting down. So I imagine that's how it is for bugs, just a little horrifying to think about too long.
Just being a bug, trying to bug and you can't bug anymore until you just die without ever realizing what even happened.
The thing is, those people don't react to that stimulus, because they do not feel it. These people are saying that despite the fact that it looks like they can feel pain, they totally can't, because reasons.
I feel the pain argument is missing the point of it's use in beekeeping. It's not meant to harm the bees, it's meant to make them docile. Smoke and fire trigger a flight response in bees so it's use keeps them from attacking the beekeeper (who may simply be checking on the hive). Similarly the modern, stackable hive was actually an improvement over older designs such as the skep hive where to extract the honey the entire hive had to be crushed. Modern hives and their removeable frames were designed so that they could be removed without harming the bees, along with respecting the spacing that bees naturally use when building a hive from scratch. And it's a damn incompetent beekeeper who starves a hive by taking too much honey. Truthfully most of the objections from the vegans sound like they're based in ignorance. (Large commercial operations stressing the hives by shipping them long distances is probably the most on point. Which just means that you have to watch your sources).
ccggenius12 yeah it sounds like double standards
CCH DZ Then how come people that are incapable if feeling pain not act like they're in pain and yet bugs will act as if it's in pain when it apparently can't feel the pain?
I was just wondering this 2 days ago
Fun Fact!
Melissa is actually a name derived from the Greek word for Bee. I like how of all people, it was Melissa who asked this honey related question
Funnier fact: it isn't even derived. The greek word for bee is literally melissa. It is however derived from the word melit that means honey.
I wonder who many Vegan Inuits or Eskimos there are???
John Knapp none
Yeah, none. It would not be healthy for them to become one either. Their bodies are used to eating raw animal meats, fats, etc. I'm vegan, but I have no problem with people eating as their ancestors did, especially when they don't have much choice one way or the other. If you look to Canada and Alaska, the Inuits who have switched to a more Western way of eating experience a lot of obesity, diabetes, cancer, etc.
None. Those who were died shortly after.
Fun fact: Inuits can assimilate fat in meats better any other race on Earth.
... Inuits cannot be vegetarian.
@Jacob Schweitzer Sugar would probably be more of a cause for that.
Inuits can process fats better than any other races.
The Western diets can be great, if you look at traditional things... But then again, everything can depending on how you use the energy you ate.
And besides, Inuits don't live in the most temperate of climates, so having a varying degree of fat to help keeping warm better (and having an energy ressource) is a bit in their genes.
Poodleinacan I completely agree with everything you said. Sugar, especially refined white sugar is really bad, for anyone. Yes, a Western diet can be good for you, especially if you stick to whole grains, fruit and vegetables and lean protein sources either plant or animal. It would not work for them though, as you said. Their bodies cannot tolerate those foods very well, as going back centuries or even millennia that is how their ancestors have ate. It would be like me eating only meat, I would get sick.
I'm vegan but I eat local honey.
You monster...
Nelson W. 😂😂😂
You ain't a true vegan then, poser.
Poser
Honey production kills bees. Even when done by careful beekeepers. They get squashed no matter how careful you are. You can reduce the number but not eliminate it. Ask a beekeeper. Decide whether you're vegan because you don't want animals harmed and whether you consider a bee to be an animal.
Why is there static when I unroll a piece of tape
Mr M not sure where ur going with that...made my laugh tho! Thanx
What about apples grown in the soils of animal carcasses (that is to say, literally anywhere)?
or any fruit that is pollinated by the exploitation of insects?
Do vegans eat animal carcasses they find on the road?
There’s some debate over those sorts of issues. The short answer is: Not really, but most don’t see a real moral problem with it.
Pretty sure you are confusing vegans with coyotes
Probably not, unless they're from Louisiana
I had one vegan tell me that roadkill moose in Canada being collected by homeless shelters & used to feed their people was morally wrong & that they should go out in the middle of the night, in freezing cold temperatures & haul that moose body onto a truck & take it into the forest so wild animals can eat it instead :S (this was after it was explained to them that leaving it on the road would cause further deaths from animals eating on the carcass).
The moose btw are called in to the shelters by police as soon as spotted & in sub-zero conditions & police stay there until collected to keep roadusers safe, so no issues at all with meat quality & with a 1/2 tonne moose, that's thousands of dollars worth of meat and a LOT of calories for homeless people!
No that's disgusting for all.
Would have thought more of the viewers of this channel would be open minded about other people’s view points, since this is an educational channel. Too bad to see so much hate in the comments. You should know not all vegans are obnoxious, just like I know not all meat eaters are as close minded and obnoxious as all of you.
Alois Phantomtrancy Carnists get very defensive about their meats and secretions. Many of them feel that their masculinity is somehow being threatened and proceed to insist that vegans are pussies and only eat grass. Just crybabies, lol.
xburningindigo: what you are doing is just plain bigotry. You're making up reasons to hate people who are not like you. *Stop it.*
As for Alois: I don't care what you choose to eat or why. What I do care about is coopting a term that means one thing and using it for another. Veganism was defined by the guy who created it to not include certain things. The natural exception doesn't fit the underlying concept, as you're still taking their honey.
The pain argument is even worse, since cows actually enjoy being milked, and chickens do not feel pain when you take their eggs, and unfertilized eggs never get to the point where they can feel pain.
If someone thinks eating honey is fine, that's okay with me. But don't call it veganism. And if you don't want to cause pain, then be consistent with it and eat other natural stuff and animals who are sedated so they don't feel pain when they die.
So the point of your comment was attempting to prove that not all vegans are obnoxious? Sorry, but you *FAILED.* Big time. Your first sentence was fine-- perfect, even. Then you blew it. You call any comment that isn't supportive "hate," then you go on to call all non-vegans "close minded" [sic], and obnoxious. First, the term is close*d* minded. Second, you *are* being obnoxious, proving your entire premise false. This is why many people are sick to death of vegans. Choosing an ascetic diet doesn't make one morally superior to others, nor does it give them the right to lecture or denigrate others, which vegans like you just LOVE to do. Just go on eating your cashew butter and kale and mind your own business. You'll find that nobody but you cares about what you eat, and you shouldn't care about what others eat, either. As the kids today say, "You do you, Boo." Leave others out of it.
They are not being obnoxious because of whatever their diet may be... This is the internet. Land of keyboard courage and millions of trolls. I'm there with you in spirit though, I really wish at least educational channels would have more open minded, civil discussions. It always devolves into name calling and other childish behaviour.
That being said though, you might want to read through your comment, because I think you are guilty of what your accusing other people of.
Does anyone know if a cow doesn't like being milked? Maybe living a well fed life free from predators is enjoyable?
well she'd get "raped" more in the wild & still be milked (just by her calf) but also have to contend with a lot more than that, just look at some Serengeti videos & that becomes obvious, so yes, I think that is a very good question that vegans should ask themselves. They should also ask themselves about the quality of life of animals impacted by crop farming!
Lilac Lizard ahhh, I know why you act like you know shit, you're someone who has done all their 'research' on TH-cam.
Kid you have no idea of all the factors you don't even know exists.
I keep thinking of Seinfeld's "Bee Movie."
Honey is best on human lower horn.
Lrrr Ruler of Omicron Persei 8 I knew there was a reason I still scrolled through TH-cam comments. Sure, it's 99.9% toxic waste... But every once in a great while, one comes across a gem.
How can you tell if someone's vegan? They tell you within minutes of meeting you.
Babarudra how can you tell someone is a carnist? When they offer you meat and you politely decline they can ask you 500 questions about your lifestyle all of which you will answer politely and then they will get really offended anyway.
Babarudra As illustrated above they will alsi make up fictitious counter arguments and mischaracterize the positions of others.
Thei Dious I guess arguments as fictitious as being asked if we would stop being vegan if we were stuck on a desert island...
Babarudra It's a good joke but pretty untrue! I've been vegan for over a year and most of my colleagues have no idea...
Babarudra and I guess you’re assuming the vegans who don’t tell you just aren’t vegan.
Thank you.
How are we not talking about the bee keeper not wearing gloves?
Vegans, because even vegetarians need something to laugh at
7Ghos ohhooho sooo clever.
The title of this is what literally all vegans say when they go out to eat.
😂😂😂
I must try this Yewcheub he keeps talking about.
Trello would be neat if I didn't get so many marketing emails from them.
I’m a vegan but I eat honey 🤷♀️
You aren't vegan then.
Dave Watts well I am
Nope. Dave is the decider.
Well, you aren't. Not because I am 'the decider', but because veganism actually has a definition.
" plant-based diet avoiding all animal foods such as meat (including fish, shellfish and insects), dairy, eggs and honey " - the vegan society
If you want to eat honey, then that's your choice, but you don't get to distort the definition to suit you.
Did ya watch the video?
The one question I ask all vegans - why did you go that way - was it for health reasons? Or was it for moral superiority reasons. If they answer on the moral grounds I explain that trees and plants check every box regarding life - including reproduction, communication, danger detection etc. So what do they propose to eat whilst feeling morally superior? And a bee is an insect, not a mammal.
And the fact that the term vegan has so many definitions means it's going to split into various groups.
Plants and trees are alive but there's no evidence that they can suffer.
Also the impact of eating animals products has such a huge impact on the environment and is incredibly inefficient.
kd1s bees don’t need to be a mammal. Birds aren’t mammals either but vegans still don’t eat eggs, chicken or turkey.
kd1s also vegans don’t go vegan so they can be “morally superior” as you say. You are ascribing intentions to an entire group of people and that is a sweeping generalization. Some vegans are vegan for health, others for the environment, others for animals. Why does it matter why they do it? It decreases harm to animals and the environment and is healthier for your body. Vegans go vegan because they believe it’s the right thing to do
Interesting that to you the only other reason to go began apart from health is to be 'morally superior'! For me it was on ethical grounds, but purely to ease my own conscience, not to judge others! Everyone has their own way of seeing things, and there are arrogant and irrational people on both sides of veganism (and in every other group of people in general). Believe it or not there are many friendly, kind and non militant vegans, we just don't always get a look on because of all the loudmouths.
Ethics is steeped in morality. So what I said applies.
What about the fig? I'm pretty sure wasps must die for figs to be pollinated.
I’ve been wondering this for years
I eat meat its gud, cri vegans
Hamed Shah 😂
Oh boohoo I'm definitely crying about your exponentially increased risk of heart disease and cancer. Oh well.
Hamed Shah why do you have to be a dick?
xburningindigo you have no clue. But enjoy being smug right now
I has gud! gramma I, knw engrish..... xD
Being vegan is lame. I'll keep my chicken nuggets thank you
Omegasys sound lad x
If you could live without torturing animals every day, why wouldn't you?
Barnaclebeard im not torturing anything. Only people making the nuggets (unless ethically sourced) are
You sound exactly like every vegan before they do their research.
"I didn't kill my wife! The man I hired to kill my wife did!"
I have a friend who has a vegan friend...who is a big fan of the brewing and drinking of mead, which is made from honey. I've asked him about this, and his excuse is that he likes mead (because mead is delicious), and so he will continue to drink and brew it regardless of whether it technically counts as vegan.
This could be a 5 second video of simon just saying 'no, they come from fucking bees'
What about exploitation and cruelty of people that worked to gather all the veggies? Also, if vegans eat fruit and veggies than they cruelly take away food from animals.
Know too many vegans that are crazy for farmer's markets. That ends up getting around that a bit.
Good points.
sidewaysrussian and yet, you’re actually removing more plants by eating animals. Also, how is taking someone’s food worse than killing them?
AtOutoftheBlue You stupid? Would you rather get quickly killed and eaten, or starved and then left to rot? If you choose the latter then it just proves how stupid some vegans really are. I'm not saying all vegans are idiots, just the 80% who just want attention and attempt to stir up drama
"removing more plants by eating animals"???? shouldn't your name be outofleftfield ?
Plants make oxygen. Quit eating our air.
sidewaysrussian sidewaysrussian If you are concerned about exploitation of workers in the fields to gather crops and vegetables, then you should look more into veganism. Because we have 50 billion animals to feed in the animal agriculture industry, 80% of all crops on our planet are grown for feeding livestock. For example, it takes 12 pounds of grain to produce 1 pound of beef, so by going vegan you are contributing to less worker exploitation in the plant cultivation industry. Even if the entire world went vegan, there would be less workers exploited in plant cultivation because we would only be growing enough food to feed 7 billion people, rather than 50 billion animals.
Secondly, vegans don’t take away all the crops from animals. As the world goes more and more vegan, we will breed less animals into existence, and therefore, plant less crops to feed them. It’s also not like our society would run out of crops if we transition to a vegan world, because as I said earlier, we currently grow enough food to 50 billion people. The only problem is that we feed that food to animals rather than humans.
Just saying... all vegans are weird and obnoxious about their veganism. When they start getting weird about white sugar they're a lost cause.
keriezy your tears are delicious.
Sapere, you're showing everyone how weak you are at trolling... I'm saying this as a fellow lurker, stop. You only make your inexperience more apparent.
i love how you generalise every fucking vegan ever
OML THIS TOPIC IS GREAT
Is it really kosher?
2bees LOTSA cups
We need a video on (Simon) Whistler's Mother...
;-)
Doesn't this apply to milk also
I know this is an old-ish video, but Trello is great. Check it out.
I'm confused: I thought that bees collected pollen (not nectar) and that they stored it in sacs on the legs?
Yes, the bees want to collect and eat nectar, the plant wants to feed the bees, so it can rub its pollen onto the bee so it spreads to another of the same type of plant. it is symbiosis. It is like fruit is evolved to be eaten to spread the seeds, it gives food for the benefit of being spread.
Are figs vegan/vegetarian since they require the absorption of a wasp to pollinate?
I think you can eat a plant that eats insects. probably a good thing. can you farm it... that is probably no.
thank you so much for that detailed description of where honey comes from. So delicious
Support the bees!
would it kill this channel to get a little better visuals? some animation?
Slight problem with the on-tap hives. Because there doesn't seem to be any interaction with the keeper, and nothing preventing the queen from laying brood everywhere in the hive, there's a possibility of cracking open cells that contain living brood during extraction. Then there's the fact that the keeper isn't checking on the health of the hive to verify that there aren't any infestations. Or even if the cells being harvested are full and matured. This last one could result in the honey fermenting and rotting.
I'm vegan, but I don't really avoid honey like the plague. I don't like the taste, so I eat things like maple(and some vegan honeys if they taste a bit better) since it's just what I can eat without having to force myself to pretend I like the taste, and it's pretty versatile. But, if I eat a treat or cereal or something and it happens to have honey, I won't freak out.
What about yeast?
Ok that brings up the question where EXACTLY does the beeswax come from?
Bees just have wax glands. Their bodies make it from what they eat, in the same way we make milk or sweat or other such items. There's no real one source.
Also considering that a large percentage of honey is adulterated with sugar syrup or the bees are fed blocks of sugar to make the honey doesn't make it look that natural. I'll just stick with other sweeteners, I don't need honey to live as much as bees do.
Your other channels...? What are they?
Vsauce MICHAEL HERE... Oh shit; wait what!...