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I would strongly disagree with your last point, that he is grappling with his species bias, and am inclined to agree with something you said earlier~ that he is trying to justify his selfishness, and he is indeed being extremely disingenuous. His video only goes to show that intelligence in no way equals maturity or integrity. He knows he is lying to his audience, and he should be ashamed. He is not just harming the animals he is consuming, but is essentially killing millions more by handing over this farcical argument for people to use, that would do the same.
You’re shaIIow aren’t you ?? Why is that ??? Tell me please ?? 🤷🏼♂️ I’m waiting..... “Everyone else is doing it ? Follow the leader, it’s a Cult...” 🙄 No, I’m normal, I have fun all the time. You’re a vegan or an animal abuser, or pay someone else to do it, like CharIes Manson. Proxy killing... 👈🤥🍖🔴.... 🙄. Over a burger. 5 minute burger !! Animals life gone for good !! 🤦🏼♂️ Twice a Coooooooo-ward !!!! Hypoooocrite. Big time. 🤦🏼♂️🙄. What a world we live in !!!!!! Why don’t you have vegan burgers and vegan chicken and vegan pizza and vegan curry and vegan tacos and vegan burritos et cetera, no murder. Five minute meal. Cooooooo-ward or vegan ??? 🤷🏼♂️ ??
Plaque forms eating animals. First time 6 years, no plaque. Are used to think it was normal having plaque, go to the dentist, 6 months (🍖)😬.... but now I’m vegan, 7 years I don’t have dentist service because I don’t need it. Can’t believe it ✅❤️😬👍. But gorillas are plant-based and they never eat animals. No plaque at all. And no toothbrush !!! Clean and fresh !!! Gorillas teeth on Google.. look for yourself. And meat et cetera as fat deposits, Weight gain if you eat animals. Long, long stomachs. We are herbivores ✅❤️😬. Scientific fact.
Neil is not a smart person just because he was dedicated enough to learn alot about stars. Just take a look at his Twitter this man is incredibly stupid.
@@blk786 - Many professors and "smart people" are smart in and only in their field of study. I had a professor who asked me, "Did you take my Holocaust class?" I said, "Yes." Did you take my Early American Lit class?" Yes. "Well, Mr. Williams. I guess I don't have anything more to tell you."
You vegans make me laugh. Please stop creating an additional demand on plant agriculture to create your vegan products. Plant agriculture is deforesting more land, killing more animals and using more pesticides to supply you with your vegan products. You created a whole new industry and have caused additional deaths on top of the ones we already have. Veganism = failure lol
I think Neil’s problem is that he’s smart in his specific field of science but comes off as really dumb taking about any other complex field. This is especially the case for moral philosophy or philosophy in general as he even said: “why are you asking these questions?”
Yeah but if you are only smarts on specifics but smart about the bigger picture, are you really smart? That would be like claiming that a driver who can drive fast but has no ability to control his car is a good driver, or a person who could hit really hard but can not aim would make a great boxer. To be smart you must be smart on every field especially the fields that matters most. I do not think Neil sounds very smart at all, compared to Einstein, Kirkegaard, or modern debaters like John Lennox or Stephen Meyer
@@ProgressIsTheOnlyEvolution This is a terrible take. the vast majority of scientists specialize in one field including Einstein. Einstein excelled in Math and Physics but failed his Chemistry and Biology classes. Specialization is one of the most important personal aspects in industrial society.
@@goodpol5022 How is it a terrible take to be right, or smart to be wrong? You are making no sense. Specifically what is so terrible about my take? If you don't need to be smart in the most important areas to be smart in, then what is so smart or great about being smart? You would end with a very low criteria for what you call smart. And which abilities would you then have to be good at to be smart? Would any ability be good enough to be smart in your opinion? If Niel is so smart, then how many others would not bale smart too. Then why would smart be much of a value, and why should we listen to people who are smart? You would end with a lot of smart people who are wrong following your argument, why should anyone want to consider the advise of someone who is wrong? If you can be smart by being someone who it is not smart to follow, just because they have some abilities they lack the ability to use logically to something which gives meaning then being smart is meaningless. Besides Einstein was smart in many areas, and Neil is no Einstein. You would need to define what smart means to you if you have a serious argument and is not just trolling, and to troll isn't smart, for it means you have both a terrible take and terrible values and actions too. What could possibly be a more terrible take than to call someone smart who is illogical and so easily proven wrong?
@@ProgressIsTheOnlyEvolution “How is it a terrible take to be right, or smart to be wrong” Yeah you’re a troll lol. Being “smart” is being able to accumulate a lot of knowledge and use said knowledge in the pursuit of a goal. Being smart and being right are two very different things. There is several different types of smart: body smart, math smart, language smart etc. The ability to acquire knowledge in all of these areas isn’t always shared in “smart” people. That’s the point of specialization. That’s why you follow someone who is good in biology when studying biology but take everything else they say with a grain of salt. They simply don’t have the knowledge in those other fields. I’m not gonna argue with your pseudo-philosopher personality that frames all your arguments as passive-aggressive questions. The audacity you have to call me a troll when you’re the one who commented under my post to start this debate my god. I’m not gonna respond to any point you have after this and continue a 48 hour long debate on a comment I made 8 months ago
He is also washed up in his own field. The last research paper he published that wasn't pure commentary and actually contributed to the community was in 1998. Guy couldn't even properly answer what a woman is because he feared getting cancelled by the extremist trans community.
Pigs are the most intelligent domesticated animals on the planet They are smarter than cats and outperform 3-year-old children on cognition tests. Clearly it’s not “big brains” that gets to decide if an animals life is worthy or not. It’s cognitive dissonance.
@Christine Vinas I can imagine. It’s heartbreaking. I stayed over in a hotel last night with work and they were all eating piggies. Made me feel so sick. I hate people 😞😩
@@yachtboy6756 Make sure the animal to be introduced is young, that's something that usually helps with the process (if the animal that's already there has no underlying issues like fear, insecurity or agression).
I don't like to use of the word children in this case. Children are naturally caring towards animals. They learn through society that we should kill and eat animals.
Not children, people they have argued against before! Like, a feminist will hear some bullshit "nature" argument about womens brains and then turn around and make the SAME BS ARGUMENT about canines.
Sad/hilarious part about this is that even children realize how stupid thinking it’s one way that every humanoid being has to eat is…..and you are ignorantly thinking you are making a great point when it’s actually subjective fodder 😂
ted ed said. 1. why is it only wrong to kill a tuna and not the dolphins but neil said totally the oppossite. since explainer video is merely pointing out the human bias with certain species... dear earth ted. you look ridiculous. you act so arrogant yet you made a very critical error. your arguements are not grounded
Ah damn, I was a big Neil Degrasse fan. I can't believe someone that smart would miss some obvious points. Just goes to show people's bias towards meat can even blind the smartest of people
I don't think that you have to dismiss your feelings for him. I am a big fan of Mr. NDT. I bought his "Astrophysics for people in a hurry" book, and I loved it. Watching this video, I just take it for what it is.... an astrophysicist talking about something that is not his field of expertise. My hope is that knowing how smart he is, he will become more educated in the matter, and see the fallacy in his logic. Also, I do agree with him that life is precious, even that of the plants and trees. I cannot, however, in good conscience, ignore the flaw in his logic that we should consider all life is equal when choosing how we eat. I believe we have a responsibility to cause the least amount of damage and suffering we can with our existence, and until proven otherwise, the vegan diet is the way to go to achieve that.
Yes Neil just says shit man, all throughout time we have made educated guesses right? And what we thought was fact today will be fiction tomorrow, Neil has built this platform where he just talks shit and you all lap it up, Neil is the elong musk of science. He just spews out shit and people eat it up.
When I was younger I used to look up to guys like Neil. Now I see that age, money, fame and even smart brains doesn't mean shit. These people supposed to lead with logic and compassion. This isn't wisdom speaking. This is ego speaking. Gosj, even Neil sounds like a Dino at this point.
How dare he not think like us when it comes to animals on his current path of life, therefore his entire career is now a joke? Not everyone needs to be perfect for everyone, I’m quite upset that Neil did this as well but I’m not gonna stop learning about science and stop reading his books, he’s a scientist who is obviously confused on some vegan things but not worth all this hate I’m reading here. Have a nice day, perhaps next week I’ll agree with you right now I’m still in the Neils corner even though it was an incredibly stupid thing for him to say
The problem is that ppl don't question certain people's logic if they're highly respected in an intelligent field. Everyone should question everyone and everything if they are searching for the truth.
@@joshuabanner9920 Don't assume so much.. All I am saying is that I used to look up to these guys, but the older I get, the more I see that they have their biases too, wich is human too, but at some level I expect these people to make a statement when they have thought it through like they use to do in their expertise. I think for smart people like him that is very reasonable to ask. I'm not canceling the guy. Just saying that he sounds like a Dino, not only on the Vegan stuff, but more and more comments he is making seems to be very conservative and not scientific at all. It's the accumilation of the things he is saying that makes my opinion. Not only about the Vegan stuff. That's an assumption on your side. Not choosing anyones corner though. I still respect him and listen to him on his actual expertise, just not as much as I used to do.
I've listened to Neil DeGrasse Tyson and yes, he has a lot of knowledge about the universe, but it doesn't seem like his critical thinking skills are that strong.
He is just a talking head for their stupid theories. Anyone can easy know the things Neil does. He brings nothing new to the table. And thanks to this video now I know he's really an idiot who lacks critical thinking on moral subjects.
That seems to be trend with him... His egos clearly been getting to his head for awhile now mans like the embodiment of the "um well ACKTUALLY" meme irl
Fair play to you Ed for dealing with this guy. Plato and Socrates would be turning in their grave to deal with this reasoning of this 'astrophysicist'. Incredible...
@@Bean-boi Tyson is a stupid person's idea of a smart person. Actually check what he says and you'll find a lot of his stuff is wrong. Even in physics.
@@v.a.n.e. omg you’re back to stalking me. Get a life please. Also this video isn’t about politics but actually, typically presidential candidates are people who have had previous government leadership positions (senators, mayors, congressmen etc.) that’s why people vote for them.
partly it is because his opinions went somewhat viral and people who may not know about the impact of animal agriculture hearing Neil's opinion may just interpret his "reasoning" as oh so valid due to appeal to authority. continuing to support the animal agriculture sector is most definitely not helping the polyfaceted environmental crisis, but actively and significantly exacerbating it.
Never once did he say plants feel pain. And you'd know that, along with what he was actually saying, if you watched the video yourself. Instead of letting the vegan tell you what to think, with the use out of context quote mines.
@@andreaanonymous5474 either way a plant is still a living organism which is murdered for human consumption which in the long run actually harms animals more because, we are taking away their natural food source and Deforestation is also taking away thousands of species of animals homes. This causes them to go extinct. Humans have to reduce ✋🏻 how much animals And plants we consume and it shouldn’t matter how intelligent a creature is to determine whether they are important or not. Just because humans are the most self aware creatures on earth (that we know of) does not mean we are the most important. Think 🤔 of it this way Trees 🌳 are widely known on this planet 🌎 as the lungs 🫁 of the earth (a statement which is very true) so each time we cut down a tree we are killing a lung 🫁 of the earth just for human purposes. We need to stop killing life on this planet in general for our own selfish needs. Xx
Carnists are delusional. The only hypocrites here are the ones who claim to "love animals" yet choose to torture them to death 3 times a day needlessly.
I'm not vegan nor vegetarian and I admire Neil Tyson... but you are totally correct. His arguments and reasoning were really poor and fallacious, specially considering his standards. Thanks for putting some light into this.
Neil also dismissed a plant-based diet as a means of combating climate change, and instead proposed a giant vacuum to suck up carbon emissions....c'mon Neil. I've lost a lot of respect for him
@@CamilaFuentes0227 yeah, there are a lot of very intelligent people out there who are very ignorant or just intellectually dishonest on the topic of veganism. It's a real shame. Neil is just making up excuses, all in the name of his taste buds. I thought Neil was better than that. I thought.....
@@doxasticc As much as he annoys me these days, making a pass at someone, or flirting (unsuccessfully) with someone, isn't a crime, nor should it be. He really didn't deserve any of the shit he got for that.
@@notme5744 Those aren't the accusations I'm talking about. When I read those my main thoughts were, 'this guy is kind of a creep' not 'lock the monster up.' I'm talking about the girl who accused him of ra pe. Apparently utube auto deletes my comments if I write that word, hopefully the space is enough.
It’s really hilarious and cowardly all these mental gymnastics these so called geniuses say to avoid going vegan, great video as usual Ed!! Go vegan Neil
I do not go vegan since I kinda do not want to but I respect vegans except that I hate those who are delusional and riot,it is annoying and could result to accidents
I don't chop down a tree to get to the apple, just like I don't rip up the cucumber plant when I can just take the cucumber. The actual plant doesn't die for me to get to the veg/fruit. Also we can compost the parts we don't eat to give back to the earth.
What about carrots what about potatoes. Garlic onions. No you just eat Basically, baby plants or actually just the freaking seed, you're taking a load of vegetables in your mouth when you eat vegetables. And i'm pretty sure that plant might have a problem with you, ripping pieces of it off. Especially it's way to reproduce. You could put human morals on everything you could put human values on everything. Everything is food for something else. that's how it is.That's how it's always been. This was how we were created, this is how lions were created. This is pretty much how everything works. Except hippos, hippos are vegetarians.They kill for fun. A hippo will hold you underwater till you drown. just don't be the hippo.
And Ed didn't even mention how plants evolved to produce fruit for other animals to consume so that their seeds could be spread and fertilized more easily… Plants encase their seeds in fruits and vegetables *for them to be eaten* lol
@@ruhan4204 I was referring to Ed but I didn't make that clear. But Neil should definitely know that if he's gonna blab on about "the tree of life" lol
Exactly, eating fruits and veggie fruits, anyyhing containing a seed is literally an act of love, taking part in aiding the plant sexual reproductive cycle.
@@FabioPedrazzoliGrazioli Just to clarify, I don't think it is necessarily a good thing for humans to partake in the sexual reproductive cycle of other species. For plants it can probably be justified since plants are immobile and rely on dispersal vectors for their seeds. Whereas if a human gets involved in the reproduction of non-human animals, then it is bestiality and sadistic. Basically, there is a big difference between a human sowing seeds into an open field versus the human artificially inseminating a cow.
@henry t If someone restrained a dog in a metal rack and inserted an arm into their genitals to impregnate them against their will, the western world would have no problem using the r-word to describe that action. So, why would we call it any different for cows, pigs, and other animals?
Let me see you explain that to a lion or tiger, Jackal, an owl, A shark. Trust the name a few. Even the whale live, i'm the smallest creature on the planet. And it consumes Hundreds of thousands at a time. Filtering them right out of their environment and swallowing them all. This planet was created. It seems that everything here's food for something else. You can't really say that the plant produced it just to spread its seed. Same thing can be said about a dude's dick. No, it's a sex organ, just like what's a round of seed, it's still the sex organ of the plant. We'll get a pepper, that's hot.It doesn't produce the heat To attract people, it produces the heat 22 deter anything from trying to eat it. Same reason why a lemon?It is sour like it is. But something grows to enjoy it.
Neil deGrasse Tyson is great example of specialisation..e.g. just because someone is an expert in a chosen domain, that does not prevent them from being inept in other areas.
He's just an astrophysicist who doesn't claim to be an expert at everything, speaking off the cuff to a general audience without prior reading or cuts every 10 seconds. The points he is trying to get across are different to Ed's. Neil isn't trying to make moral distinctions or tell people what is right or wrong, just listen to the podcast and you'll realise how absurd this nit-picking is. If Ed and Neil had a conversation about this, you'll probably find that they are on the same team and agree with most things.
@@KimmyJongUn It's almost like he has the fame of an intellectual and people will have a tendency to believe in whatever he says, so he should be careful when out of his expertise... oh, hey comrade.
I think it’s from things like iron man. There is no person who is a incredible scientist in all fields, amazing engineer in all aspects, and brilliant people’s person. It’s like how Elon musk is not an engineer designing trains, cars, rockets, and whatever else he owns.
@@sherbok4884 That's not true at all. Check out his podcast, he cares a lot about a lot of things. Including climate change (dude is a scientist, 99% of scientists are on board with climate change being a very real danger by now)
@@-Oddish- if he actually cares about climate change that much, he would realize that most of climate change is caused by eating animals and industries cutting down the rain forests for animal land.
I wish I could have you at my side whenever conversations of vegan vs non vegan arise. You have a true gift of discussing these issues and making complete sense out of it.
16 pounds of plants to make 1 pound of meat (beef). Plant->Animal-->Human Plant-------->Human Eating meat takes more life. Neil is battling some heavy cognitive dissonance.
Yeess finally someone else see this too!Either way if you just eat plants its less suffering! It is only logical. We cant eat nothing, and we cant survive on just meat alone without negative health risks, you either can eat both and be healthy or eat just plants and be heathy and out of those two options the least amount of suffering is eating plant based.
I really hope Neil watches this. It's such a shame to see him clutching to those ideas. I feel he's letting his ego take over, when he could be using his brilliance so much better...
There is no reason to. Neil's talked about specie bias. Ed is talking about morals. Two entirely different conversations. Neil never once said he valued a plant more than a dolphin. He even specifically said he appreciates all life.
I think you are right about this one. Neil is trying to explain something that makes no sense. I am glad you also mentioned that he is at least thinking about it, there is a feeling in him that makes him to want to justify his reasoning. Morality is a important obligation as it comes with intelligence. It is a choice we as as species can make. It is not a thing for science to answer, but the insight that studies give us means that there is no excuse not to make a choice. And knowing consequences means that his words on other topics are slightly hypocritical. There are other interviews in witch someone mentioned this also. People change and morals change. I think it would be better for him to mentioned this objectively as a scientist should do.
It‘s sometimes shocking and disappointing to see that people who you thought were smart are not able to think clearly in such important issues, and nevertheless talk about them in a very self-confident way. Thank you for analyzing Neil‘s bullshit so nicely, Ed! 🙃
I've been binge-watching your channel all week - I feel that your videos will help me answer tough questions from friends and colleagues about veganism and I can't thank you enough for that!!
Well, we don't even know what consciousness is, so it isn't that crazy of a claim. However, he's wrong anyway, because by eating animals we kill way more plant life (harvested to feed the livestock). So, even if you care about plants and animals equally (a true non-speciesist), you should go still vegan.
@@AdventureSworn we understand what creates conciousness tho.cells are not concious.plants are basically the same as bacteria in terms of reacting to stimulus automatically
@@Firm-Tofu-King You can not know if anything other than yourself experiences pain, suffering, any other qualia. That rock over there could have some kind of subjective experience of its own. Or the crowd made out of many people. The internet itself could have qualia. The cells, proteins, molecules, atoms, the very fabric of the universe could have qualia. There are no definite answers. Still vegan tho
Not gonna lie, I always thought something was off about Neil and the way he handles his persona and expertise. He talks like he is so intelligent (and of course he is) but in a way that I don’t admire or fully trust. Hearing him say these things is such an eye-roller and doesn’t surprise me.
Not much intelligence..he is just parroting memorized topics. When people ask real questions, he never has an answer but manages to keep flapping his lips for hours about nothing. Neil loves his own voice.
literally same. i’ve always been able to see right through him but i wasn’t sure what it was. same with joe rogan lol. i really feel like talking about veganism always exposes the fakes
A lot of people speak outside their field of expertise. Being smart doesn't make you immune from saying random stuff and not knowing what you are talking about.
Absolutely. The more i listen to him, the more i realise Neil is honestly often times talking nonsense. That’s what happens when people step out of their expertise and still think their an authority on the matter
I've noticed that it's the seemingly smart people who say the darndest things when it comes to animal slaughter. I think they've told themselves that they are completely rational and so when they come across their cognitive dissonance they will say whatever they can to rationalize their contradictory nature.
I can guarantee you that if he had to wield the bolt-gun then draw and quarter what was only seconds ago a very frightened cow... he would see the light.
@henry t well they kind of are though. i wouldnt necessarily put those acts on par with doing the same thing to a human, but that is rape and that is murder definitionally speaking
@henry t im not saying its exactly the same thing, but it does fit the definition for rape and murder. youre forcibly impregnating a sentient animal and then killing it in a very painful way. If a person were to do that to another person, it doesnt matter whether they derive any pleasure from it, its still rape and murder
@henry t not at all, im not downplaying the injustice and the inhumanity of those acts being committed against actual humans, im just saying its also really really bad to do it to an animal. if i were to complain about the torture and killing of a dog instead of livestock, it sounds like youre basically saying "its not the same thing as doing it to a human, therefore it doesnt matter!"
@@thefitlessinfluencer9771 Because anyone that equates chopping up carrots with hacking baby cows with a pickaxe (legal way they are killed) IS EUTHET BRAINDEAD OR A PSYCHOPATH
For me it isn't about life or sentience it's about intelligence of the species in question. If the species is intelligent enough to have developed complex speech patterns then we shouldn't eat them but if they aren't they're fair game. However even if they're not intelligent enough to have developed complex speech patterns we still shouldn't be driving them to extinction, killing them in cruel ways, or killing things just for fun.
I love how the interviewer is gawking at Neil as if he's making profound, groundbreaking arguments. Of course the reality is that these are the most frequently debunked level 0 carnist arguments ever. There are teens on reddit who have made more original and thought provoking arguments.
For me it isn't about life or sentience it's about intelligence of the species in question. If the species is intelligent enough to have developed complex speech patterns then we shouldn't eat them but if they aren't they're fair game. However even if they're not intelligent enough to have developed complex speech patterns we still shouldn't be driving them to extinction, killing them in cruel ways, or killing things just for fun.
@@Elegyforthend It's not a bias, it's the reason we're at the top of the food chain. It's not because we're alive it's not because we're sentient it's not because we're bigger stronger faster or more agile than any other lifeform on the planet. We're at the top because we're smarter so why wouldn't we use that as the metric for other things?
Wow! That was painful. I think this is a perfect example of why people shouldn't take everything an 'expert' tells you at face value...and should always question them. Thank you Ed for making this important video.
There are no experts: only expertise! Be careful people when placing trust in others. While it may take time, we all can come to understand reality just as much as these "people with expertise".
I gotta strongly disagree - people who have just googled some random stuff about a subject thinking their opinions and "research" are as valid as the opinions of actual experts in a subject is one of the biggest problems we have today. I have no problem deferring to Neil on all matters astrophysical - and lay people who think watching one TH-cam video about stars makes them qualified to question Neil on this subject are, frankly, idiots. The thing is, Neil isn't, nor does he claim to be, an expert on philosophy or animal rights. In these areas, he's just a lay person - and frankly, he should read the experts on these subjects before he talks about them.
@@GS-lq2is I think you missed the point. There was no mention of Neil being lesser because of this one incident. Also, there was no encouragement of taking your own opinion into more consideration than a professionals.
It's so funny to see someone who clearly seems to never look up any information on the subject is talking like he actually knows everything... great content as usual, ed! Thanks
@Literally Musab his credibility is actually DEEPLY affected. HOW THE HELL CAN IT NOT? ANY idiot that uses the word SLAUGHTER when referring to brainless beings like plants without a central nerve system IS LITERALLY BRAINLESS. I understand why he doesn't want to eat plants because in his case it would be cannibalism
@@animalsarebeautifulpeople3094 It’s cognitive bias, no one, no matter how smart is immune to it. Just remember Eugenics came from Scientists. Neil Tyson’s credibility is unaffected by this.
@@Mystic-H free masonry isn’t a religion, it is an organization that requires you believe in a god to join as one of many stipulations. This means you can be Buddhist, Christian, Carholic, Jewish, or Muslim to name a few on the top of my head and be a free mason. My father for example is a Protestant Christian and joined the free masons about 7 or 8 years ago. It isn’t anything new for physicists to be religious. My great grand father was Robert Henry Dicke, a Princeton physicist who worked on things like radar, expanding universe theories, black holes, Dicke-Einstein theory. The man had young Stephen Hawking over to his house before the guy became famous. He went to church. The thing is that the observable universe does not necessarily destroy the viability of the un-observable beliefs that are spiritualism and religion.
@Il Cavalluccio Marino I‘m not sure, but I think it’s because many scientists don’t know that much about philosophy, and at the same time they are really arrogant and think that science is superior to philosophy. They don’t seem to understand that philosophical problems are problems that science can - in principle - never solve because they are not empirical problems at all. There are a lot of famous scientists who have said really stupid things about philosophical topics: Stephen Hawking, Michio Kaku (see for example his statement about free will and quantum physics), Richard Dawkins, Francis Crick, Christof Koch and a lot of other famous brain scientists etc.
@Il Cavalluccio Marino Some scientists think badly of philosophy or philosophers because they don't do experiments and think that philosophy is mere speculation. They think that only science can give us the right answers. As @funckmasta pointed out, these scientists fail to see that philosophical problems are different from scientific problems.
Eaten all vegan for 2 weeks now; going to stick with it. I actually dont feel I have had to sacrifice taste, which I used to think was a big problem with veganism. The first few meals were a failure and nearly put me off, which I imagine would likely be the case for others trying to cook vegan for the first time. After experimenting with a few different meals I have found plenty which taste great; was more down to my rubbish cooking in the end, haha. Also didnt really like Soy milk, almond was OK, but Oat milk actually tastes really good.
I remember becoming vegan. Before I made the switch I had such a hard time with my cognitive dissonance that I went for a 3 hours walk. During this time, I developed a lot of thoughts that sound similiar to Neils pov. Today I'm very sad at how distorted my view was back than, but I'm glad I overcome this stupidity. Freaking bacteria rights activists, lmao
6:40 ... I'm already facepalming so hard... Oh... Why... Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy... it's even more frustrating to see him trying to make a VERY STUPID POINT with a calm and collected voice like he is saying something intelligent.
I don't mind people using a calm and collected voice when discussing their opinions. That's actually one of the things I respect about Earthling Ed -- even though I disagree with him on a lot, at least he is usually calm.
Over a year already, ok you’ve done that… now after a year of being vegan you will start to deteriorate. Track yourself for the next 3-5 months… you will look frail and feel weak, your hair will start to fall.. you will visit the toilet more than usual, you will experience brain fog, you will lose more money on food.. you will have to eat a larger quantity than usual. And even if you do eat a large quantity of food, you’ll feel stuffed but unsatisfied. You will start to lose muscle, you will be unable to do normal tasks and exercises compared to when you had eggs and meat, you will resort to unnatural ways of obtaining the vitamins your body needs, through pills and medication. If you have eggs and fish from time to time, you won’t have to experience the things I mentioned about the experiences of being an ex vegan
And so arethe millions of people that eat meat to survive. Removing a quarter of the world's food supply will kill more humans on top of the 9 million already starving every year.
@@limitisillusion7 The animals you eat are eating food that could go to people. We currently grow enough food to feed well over the population we have. But it's given to animals instead so you can have a steak while other people starve.
@@GS-lq2is we do have the food to feed the world, but we still fail to do so. It's an allocation problem. the bioavailability of protein from vegan food is also much lower than that from animal products, not to mention there is less protein per calorie compared to animal protein sources. I eat pretty healthy, and I also enjoy body building. That requires a high protein bioavailability and a high protein to calorie ratio. But beyond all of that, we evolved to be opportunitic omnivores. Whether you realize it or not, supermarkets have become the source of that opportunity, and given our thousands of years of omnivorous nature, we will tend to eat both. There is no natural behavior stronger than our inclination to eat all types of food. You would have an easier time getting humanity to quit fucking and fighting than to stop eating what their bodies like.
I pointed out to my cousin who insisted that plants feel pain, that even if he was correct, and even if plants felt a billion times more pain than animals, veganism would still be the morally superior option. Less plants die. Less animals die. Veganism wins in both scenarios, and by a LARGER margin if he was correct about plants feeling pain....which they. Don't
@henry t well when it comes to animals it IS rape and murder. Or would you say the animals want to die? Have you ever seen any animal that is about to be slaughtered? They want to escape so bad! If a human doesn't want to die and another one is killing them, then it's MURDER. The same goes for rape. The animals do not want someone to forcefully push their arm in their genitals and if you want to tell me anything else you are either brain dead or have the mental capacity of a stone. Animals are sentient beings while plants aren't.
The purely scientific position would be that neither humans nor carrots have "moral value". Value is a subjective thing -- we all value different things. I would actually argue that lentils, rice, etc. are MORE valuable to me than cows, pigs, chickens, etc. If these plants went extinct I would starve to death (since I am unwilling to eat animal products). It seems strange that vegans argue that domesticated animals possess "moral value" since the logical conclusion of veganism is the extinction of these domesticated species (which I fully support btw).
I loved Startalk when it first came out, but the longer it went on the more I started to dislike the takes on the show about random topics like sports, entertainment, and now speciesism. Thank you for putting this on my radar Ed, keep up the amazing work. You are a champ.
It's unbelievable to me that he understands the law of thermodynamics when debunking The Matrix, but cannot grasp the inefficiency of eating an animal that first had to eat plants.
Which means you think middle schoolers are less aware and thus their ideas are below those above them, in the same way farm animals are so incredibly below human thought that we should not be too concerned for their sacrifice as we feed ourselves. I like how you think.
For me it isn't about life or sentience it's about intelligence of the species in question. If the species is intelligent enough to have developed complex speech patterns then we shouldn't eat them but if they aren't they're fair game. However even if they're not intelligent enough to have developed complex speech patterns we still shouldn't be driving them to extinction, killing them in cruel ways, or killing things just for fun.
@@pringles4312 What do you mean? I can't really tell what your point was, because I wrote that comment as a human that understands I have species bias too.
@@pringles4312 Fair. Btw I prefer we didn't farm animals just to kill and eat them. Food isn't the end all though. I'll gladly invite a cat into my house, but I'll chase out a rat. I didn't mean to sound evil, but I agree with neil in how we value one type of animal over another.
@@pringles4312 just wait til the aliens come and see themselves as far superior to us and start experimenting on us, and breeding and enslaving us for food😆
Neil speaks exactly like me just before I went vegan. The plant-is-alive-too-argument was the biggest issue I had with veganism until I realized that we already distinguish the worth of different lifeforms. The car accident with the dog and the flower is the perfect example, but also by that logic there would be no reason why we shouldnt kill and eat other humans.
Neil deGrasse Tyson, Bill Nye, Richard Dawkins, are all good examples of why the humanities are so important, you don't want to end up like them. Their ignorance is embarrassing.
What's even more embarrassing is the foolish fan boys that follow them around like they are jesus or something, for no reason other than the fact that they "seem fun" and act like an overcompensating 7 year old whilst explaining things they themselves don't even understand fully.
@@edwinv4155 He was accused by Thchiya Amet El Maat of drugging and ra ping her. Everything in her story has checked out. He was also accused by a bunch of other women of sexual misconduct, while he was married.
Just along as you "give thanks" for the lives you mess up... Yep, right.. That’s some deep spiritual shit right there. Nothing remotely close to bullshiting so that he can be at ease when satisfying his taste buds and belly
Neil always struck me as the kind of guy who put 100% of his self worth into defining himself as an “intellectual”. This always seems to lead to lack of self-awareness, arrogance and ignorance in a lot of fields outside his speciality. He seems to speak confidently on subjects he may not be that holistically-educated on; likely in an attempt to uphold said-ego. It’s so surprising to me that an “intellectual celebrity” like Neil would make such obvious logical fallacies and cognitive bias-driven perspectives. To me, this points directly to the fact that he’s unlikely to ever change his perspectives on this matter (if he’s even honestly questioned his own beliefs to begin with). He would have to admit to himself that he’s wrong, which is exactly what self-identified “intellectuals” will always refuse to do. Anyway, I should take it easy on him, Ed wrecked him enough 😜 Joking aside, I do respect Neil; just disappointed in him here. I hope he can hear Ed’s perspective and is willing to revisit the topic and is open to challenge himself.
Ah, yes, I can hear Neil's words ringing true… "One of the great challenges in this world is knowing enough about a subject to think you're right but not enough about the subject to know you're wrong." - Neil deGrasse Tyson in his MasterClass Ad (th-cam.com/video/io6QdGcoWMU/w-d-xo.html)
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you didn't watch the Adam Ragusea video? it would make a great debunk video on your channel.
I would strongly disagree with your last point, that he is grappling with his species bias, and am inclined to agree with something you said earlier~ that he is trying to justify his selfishness, and he is indeed being extremely disingenuous. His video only goes to show that intelligence in no way equals maturity or integrity. He knows he is lying to his audience, and he should be ashamed. He is not just harming the animals he is consuming, but is essentially killing millions more by handing over this farcical argument for people to use, that would do the same.
You’re shaIIow aren’t you ?? Why is that ??? Tell me please ?? 🤷🏼♂️ I’m waiting.....
“Everyone else is doing it ? Follow the leader, it’s a Cult...” 🙄
No, I’m normal, I have fun all the time. You’re a vegan or an animal abuser, or pay someone else to do it, like CharIes Manson. Proxy killing... 👈🤥🍖🔴.... 🙄. Over a burger. 5 minute burger !! Animals life gone for good !! 🤦🏼♂️
Twice a Coooooooo-ward !!!! Hypoooocrite. Big time.
🤦🏼♂️🙄. What a world we live in !!!!!!
Why don’t you have vegan burgers and vegan chicken and vegan pizza and vegan curry and vegan tacos and vegan burritos et cetera, no murder. Five minute meal. Cooooooo-ward or vegan ??? 🤷🏼♂️ ??
👨🏽🦱👨🏾🦱🦠🍖🔴.... SIaves.. 1495-1900s 🤥🤥🤥🙄🖕
Plaque forms eating animals. First time 6 years, no plaque. Are used to think it was normal having plaque, go to the dentist, 6 months (🍖)😬.... but now I’m vegan, 7 years I don’t have dentist service because I don’t need it. Can’t believe it ✅❤️😬👍.
But gorillas are plant-based and they never eat animals. No plaque at all. And no toothbrush !!! Clean and fresh !!! Gorillas teeth on Google.. look for yourself. And meat et cetera as fat deposits, Weight gain if you eat animals. Long, long stomachs. We are herbivores ✅❤️😬. Scientific fact.
“When smart people say stupid things” should be a new series for you
He'll get cancelled 30 million times for that title lakskdbfnqkkd
@@benuwuowo Worth it
Neil is not a smart person just because he was dedicated enough to learn alot about stars. Just take a look at his Twitter this man is incredibly stupid.
@@blk786 - Many professors and "smart people" are smart in and only in their field of study. I had a professor who asked me, "Did you take my Holocaust class?" I said, "Yes." Did you take my Early American Lit class?" Yes. "Well, Mr. Williams. I guess I don't have anything more to tell you."
NDT isnt smart
It's really sad to see bright heads apply cognitive dissonance to justify their bad habits :(
Thats a very well written comment that encompass how it exactly is. Well done 🔥
@@samyekjain8215 thanks :)
Neil isn’t bright at all he is controlled
Very true... I watch Neil from time to time but I can't believe this came from him... 😔
You vegans make me laugh. Please stop creating an additional demand on plant agriculture to create your vegan products.
Plant agriculture is deforesting more land, killing more animals and using more pesticides to supply you with your vegan products.
You created a whole new industry and have caused additional deaths on top of the ones we already have. Veganism = failure lol
I think Neil’s problem is that he’s smart in his specific field of science but comes off as really dumb taking about any other complex field. This is especially the case for moral philosophy or philosophy in general as he even said: “why are you asking these questions?”
Yeah but if you are only smarts on specifics but smart about the bigger picture, are you really smart?
That would be like claiming that a driver who can drive fast but has no ability to control his car is a good driver, or a person who could hit really hard but can not aim would make a great boxer.
To be smart you must be smart on every field especially the fields that matters most. I do not think Neil sounds very smart at all, compared to Einstein, Kirkegaard, or modern debaters like John Lennox or Stephen Meyer
@@ProgressIsTheOnlyEvolution This is a terrible take. the vast majority of scientists specialize in one field including Einstein. Einstein excelled in Math and Physics but failed his Chemistry and Biology classes. Specialization is one of the most important personal aspects in industrial society.
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How is it a terrible take to be right, or smart to be wrong? You are making no sense.
Specifically what is so terrible about my take?
If you don't need to be smart in the most important areas to be smart in, then what is so smart or great about being smart?
You would end with a very low criteria for what you call smart.
And which abilities would you then have to be good at to be smart? Would any ability be good enough to be smart in your opinion?
If Niel is so smart, then how many others would not bale smart too. Then why would smart be much of a value, and why should we listen to people who are smart?
You would end with a lot of smart people who are wrong following your argument, why should anyone want to consider the advise of someone who is wrong?
If you can be smart by being someone who it is not smart to follow, just because they have some abilities they lack the ability to use logically to something which gives meaning then being smart is meaningless.
Besides Einstein was smart in many areas, and Neil is no Einstein. You would need to define what smart means to you if you have a serious argument and is not just trolling, and to troll isn't smart, for it means you have both a terrible take and terrible values and actions too.
What could possibly be a more terrible take than to call someone smart who is illogical and so easily proven wrong?
@@ProgressIsTheOnlyEvolution “How is it a terrible take to be right, or smart to be wrong” Yeah you’re a troll lol. Being “smart” is being able to accumulate a lot of knowledge and use said knowledge in the pursuit of a goal. Being smart and being right are two very different things. There is several different types of smart: body smart, math smart, language smart etc. The ability to acquire knowledge in all of these areas isn’t always shared in “smart” people. That’s the point of specialization. That’s why you follow someone who is good in biology when studying biology but take everything else they say with a grain of salt. They simply don’t have the knowledge in those other fields. I’m not gonna argue with your pseudo-philosopher personality that frames all your arguments as passive-aggressive questions. The audacity you have to call me a troll when you’re the one who commented under my post to start this debate my god. I’m not gonna respond to any point you have after this and continue a 48 hour long debate on a comment I made 8 months ago
He is also washed up in his own field. The last research paper he published that wasn't pure commentary and actually contributed to the community was in 1998. Guy couldn't even properly answer what a woman is because he feared getting cancelled by the extremist trans community.
Pigs are the most intelligent domesticated animals on the planet They are smarter than cats and outperform 3-year-old children on cognition tests. Clearly it’s not “big brains” that gets to decide if an animals life is worthy or not. It’s cognitive dissonance.
Have always wanted a pig for a pet. Don't think our French Bull Dog would appreciate it though.
I said the exact same thing as this today to a bacon munching blood mouth. Her response? Well it depends which 3 year old. Such a stupid woman 🤬
@Christine Vinas I can imagine. It’s heartbreaking. I stayed over in a hotel last night with work and they were all eating piggies. Made me feel so sick. I hate people 😞😩
@@yachtboy6756 Make sure the animal to be introduced is young, that's something that usually helps with the process (if the animal that's already there has no underlying issues like fear, insecurity or agression).
actually its not hard to be smarter then cats. Cats are literally not really intelligent compared to pigs or dogs
It never fails to amaze me how educated people will make *the same arguments* against veganism as children in vegan comment sections.
I don't like to use of the word children in this case. Children are naturally caring towards animals. They learn through society that we should kill and eat animals.
Love the name
Not children, people they have argued against before! Like, a feminist will hear some bullshit "nature" argument about womens brains and then turn around and make the SAME BS ARGUMENT about canines.
Sad/hilarious part about this is that even children realize how stupid thinking it’s one way that every humanoid being has to eat is…..and you are ignorantly thinking you are making a great point when it’s actually subjective fodder 😂
ted ed said.
1. why is it only wrong to kill a tuna and not the dolphins
but neil said totally the oppossite.
since explainer video is merely pointing out the human bias with certain species... dear earth ted. you look ridiculous. you act so arrogant yet you made a very critical error. your arguements are not grounded
Ah damn, I was a big Neil Degrasse fan. I can't believe someone that smart would miss some obvious points. Just goes to show people's bias towards meat can even blind the smartest of people
I don't think that you have to dismiss your feelings for him. I am a big fan of Mr. NDT. I bought his "Astrophysics for people in a hurry" book, and I loved it. Watching this video, I just take it for what it is.... an astrophysicist talking about something that is not his field of expertise. My hope is that knowing how smart he is, he will become more educated in the matter, and see the fallacy in his logic. Also, I do agree with him that life is precious, even that of the plants and trees. I cannot, however, in good conscience, ignore the flaw in his logic that we should consider all life is equal when choosing how we eat. I believe we have a responsibility to cause the least amount of damage and suffering we can with our existence, and until proven otherwise, the vegan diet is the way to go to achieve that.
@@Vero.does.better I certainly won't dismiss him I am a big fan of his too :)
I don't think he's that smart tbh
@@Vero.does.better He often speaks outside of his area of expertise, unfortunately.
Yes Neil just says shit man, all throughout time we have made educated guesses right? And what we thought was fact today will be fiction tomorrow, Neil has built this platform where he just talks shit and you all lap it up, Neil is the elong musk of science. He just spews out shit and people eat it up.
When I was younger I used to look up to guys like Neil.
Now I see that age, money, fame and even smart brains doesn't mean shit. These people supposed to lead with logic and compassion. This isn't wisdom speaking. This is ego speaking.
Gosj, even Neil sounds like a Dino at this point.
I know it sucks :(
How dare he not think like us when it comes to animals on his current path of life, therefore his entire career is now a joke? Not everyone needs to be perfect for everyone, I’m quite upset that Neil did this as well but I’m not gonna stop learning about science and stop reading his books, he’s a scientist who is obviously confused on some vegan things but not worth all this hate I’m reading here.
Have a nice day, perhaps next week I’ll agree with you right now I’m still in the Neils corner even though it was an incredibly stupid thing for him to say
He is good in his specialty, I think he'll get better at this too, but in time.
The problem is that ppl don't question certain people's logic if they're highly respected in an intelligent field. Everyone should question everyone and everything if they are searching for the truth.
@@joshuabanner9920 Don't assume so much.. All I am saying is that I used to look up to these guys, but the older I get, the more I see that they have their biases too, wich is human too, but at some level I expect these people to make a statement when they have thought it through like they use to do in their expertise. I think for smart people like him that is very reasonable to ask.
I'm not canceling the guy. Just saying that he sounds like a Dino, not only on the Vegan stuff, but more and more comments he is making seems to be very conservative and not scientific at all. It's the accumilation of the things he is saying that makes my opinion. Not only about the Vegan stuff. That's an assumption on your side.
Not choosing anyones corner though. I still respect him and listen to him on his actual expertise, just not as much as I used to do.
"Cutting deGrasse is morally the same", this pun was definitely intended.
Nice one 😄🤘🏻
Bwahaha!!
That grass though. Haha. I see what you did there.
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Don't forget to say "thank you " . 😂😂😂😂😂
Ed, I’m so glad that you’re so patiently willing to explain something so ridiculously obvious over and over with poise and elegance!!! 🙏🏻🙏🏻
I've listened to Neil DeGrasse Tyson and yes, he has a lot of knowledge about the universe, but it doesn't seem like his critical thinking skills are that strong.
Not if those skills would lead him to realise that he ought to change his own, selfish behavior. Can't have that.
Yea he is extremely unlikeable
You nailed it, people might have vast knowledge, but critical thinking, especially when it involves self-confrontation, is a different beast!
He is just a talking head for their stupid theories. Anyone can easy know the things Neil does. He brings nothing new to the table. And thanks to this video now I know he's really an idiot who lacks critical thinking on moral subjects.
@@MyFruitThing : Agree.
Neil doesn’t get it... but he thinks he does.
That seems to be trend with him... His egos clearly been getting to his head for awhile now mans like the embodiment of the "um well ACKTUALLY" meme irl
You dont get it....but you think you do.
Yeah Neil thinks this is a big brain take but it’s a weak and illogical argument.
Most intelligent people are narcissistic
@The 1st real Daniel Gavin no. I am omnicient. I know everyrhing. And you should be ashamed of yourself...we both know why....;)
Fair play to you Ed for dealing with this guy. Plato and Socrates would be turning in their grave to deal with this reasoning of this 'astrophysicist'. Incredible...
Tyson is the perfect example of why being good in one field of study does not automatically make you a general "smart person".
But he's not even good in the field of physics.
Right
Yes I should listen to a vegan youtuber or a vegan acount instead of a smart person
@@Bean-boi Tyson is a stupid person's idea of a smart person.
Actually check what he says and you'll find a lot of his stuff is wrong. Even in physics.
@@HopDavid A lot...tell me 5 facts of physics he is wrong about.
Idk why people take what he says so seriously. Like he’s a leader in a certain field, that doesn’t make him an authority in anything else.
it must be admitted that you are very constant in your erroneous conclusions.
@@v.a.n.e. omg you’re back to stalking me. Get a life please. Also this video isn’t about politics but actually, typically presidential candidates are people who have had previous government leadership positions (senators, mayors, congressmen etc.) that’s why people vote for them.
@@v.a.n.e. get a life and leave Priscilla alone.
do you have a reason for this whiteknighting on your part? do you really think she is incapable or something and needs your help? @@robyn1258
partly it is because his opinions went somewhat viral and people who may not know about the impact of animal agriculture hearing Neil's opinion may just interpret his "reasoning" as oh so valid due to appeal to authority. continuing to support the animal agriculture sector is most definitely not helping the polyfaceted environmental crisis, but actively and significantly exacerbating it.
I really hope Neil has seen this. I actually respected him until I saw this. 🤷🏻♂️🤡
This is the fanciest "plants feel pain" I've ever heard.
LOL
Never once did he say plants feel pain. And you'd know that, along with what he was actually saying, if you watched the video yourself. Instead of letting the vegan tell you what to think, with the use out of context quote mines.
@@jaydeeoldboy9903 He made the same argument that the "plants feel pain" people do. Same logic, same reasoning etc..
@@andreaanonymous5474 Except he didn't... and if you think that' what he did, then you didn't watch the video, or his perspective was lost on you.
@@andreaanonymous5474 either way a plant is still a living organism which is murdered for human consumption which in the long run actually harms animals more because, we are taking away their natural food source and Deforestation is also taking away thousands of species of animals homes. This causes them to go extinct. Humans have to reduce ✋🏻 how much animals And plants we consume and it shouldn’t matter how intelligent a creature is to determine whether they are important or not. Just because humans are the most self aware creatures on earth (that we know of) does not mean we are the most important. Think 🤔 of it this way Trees 🌳 are widely known on this planet 🌎 as the lungs 🫁 of the earth (a statement which is very true) so each time we cut down a tree we are killing a lung 🫁 of the earth just for human purposes. We need to stop killing life on this planet in general for our own selfish needs. Xx
The whole “plants feel too so vegans are hypocrites” has to be one of the stupidest arguments I’ve ever heard 🤦🏼♀️ very well done Ed 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Carnists are delusional. The only hypocrites here are the ones who claim to "love animals" yet choose to torture them to death 3 times a day needlessly.
Exactly! Ummm… why doesn’t anyone bring up the point that a lot of plants grow back. Animals don’t.🤦🏽♂️
@henry t That's the dumbest comment on TH-cam. Congratulations.
@@TheParadigmShiftTV Now come on, the competition for stupidest anti-vegan "argument" is pretty intense - I think it's too early to declare a winner.
@@TheParadigmShiftTV beautifully put.
I'm not vegan nor vegetarian and I admire Neil Tyson... but you are totally correct. His arguments and reasoning were really poor and fallacious, specially considering his standards. Thanks for putting some light into this.
Neil also dismissed a plant-based diet as a means of combating climate change, and instead proposed a giant vacuum to suck up carbon emissions....c'mon Neil. I've lost a lot of respect for him
Same, he was one of my personal heroes years ago
@@CamilaFuentes0227 yeah, there are a lot of very intelligent people out there who are very ignorant or just intellectually dishonest on the topic of veganism. It's a real shame. Neil is just making up excuses, all in the name of his taste buds. I thought Neil was better than that. I thought.....
Given what he did to that woman, idk why you would have any respect for him anyway.
@@doxasticc As much as he annoys me these days, making a pass at someone, or flirting (unsuccessfully) with someone, isn't a crime, nor should it be. He really didn't deserve any of the shit he got for that.
@@notme5744 Those aren't the accusations I'm talking about. When I read those my main thoughts were, 'this guy is kind of a creep' not 'lock the monster up.' I'm talking about the girl who accused him of ra pe. Apparently utube auto deletes my comments if I write that word, hopefully the space is enough.
It’s really hilarious and cowardly all these mental gymnastics these so called geniuses say to avoid going vegan, great video as usual Ed!! Go vegan Neil
Watch: th-cam.com/video/O8IzdoMuYFM/w-d-xo.html
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Should everyone comply to go vegan?
What do you suggest we do to those who are dead set in their dietary ways?
I do not go vegan since I kinda do not want to but I respect vegans except that I hate those who are delusional and riot,it is annoying and could result to accidents
I don't chop down a tree to get to the apple, just like I don't rip up the cucumber plant when I can just take the cucumber. The actual plant doesn't die for me to get to the veg/fruit.
Also we can compost the parts we don't eat to give back to the earth.
What about carrots what about potatoes. Garlic onions. No you just eat Basically, baby plants or actually just the freaking seed, you're taking a load of vegetables in your mouth when you eat vegetables. And i'm pretty sure that plant might have a problem with you, ripping pieces of it off. Especially it's way to reproduce. You could put human morals on everything you could put human values on everything. Everything is food for something else. that's how it is.That's how it's always been. This was how we were created, this is how lions were created. This is pretty much how everything works. Except hippos, hippos are vegetarians.They kill for fun. A hippo will hold you underwater till you drown. just don't be the hippo.
And Ed didn't even mention how plants evolved to produce fruit for other animals to consume so that their seeds could be spread and fertilized more easily…
Plants encase their seeds in fruits and vegetables *for them to be eaten* lol
Well...Neil is not that intelligent. He is just a parrot that loves his own voice.
@@ruhan4204 I was referring to Ed but I didn't make that clear. But Neil should definitely know that if he's gonna blab on about "the tree of life" lol
Great point
Exactly, eating fruits and veggie fruits, anyyhing containing a seed is literally an act of love, taking part in aiding the plant sexual reproductive cycle.
@@FabioPedrazzoliGrazioli Just to clarify, I don't think it is necessarily a good thing for humans to partake in the sexual reproductive cycle of other species.
For plants it can probably be justified since plants are immobile and rely on dispersal vectors for their seeds.
Whereas if a human gets involved in the reproduction of non-human animals, then it is bestiality and sadistic. Basically, there is a big difference between a human sowing seeds into an open field versus the human artificially inseminating a cow.
Imagine taking anyone seriously who compares gas chambers to grass cutting!
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Seriously 😑
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@henry t If someone restrained a dog in a metal rack and inserted an arm into their genitals to impregnate them against their will, the western world would have no problem using the r-word to describe that action. So, why would we call it any different for cows, pigs, and other animals?
@henry t if there's no consent, it's rape
Neil needs to have a talk with Richard Dawkins about this. Dawkins agrees veganism is the moral choice.
Indeed he does, Dawkins is much smarter on this topic.
Let me see you explain that to a lion or tiger, Jackal, an owl, A shark. Trust the name a few. Even the whale live, i'm the smallest creature on the planet. And it consumes Hundreds of thousands at a time. Filtering them right out of their environment and swallowing them all. This planet was created. It seems that everything here's food for something else. You can't really say that the plant produced it just to spread its seed. Same thing can be said about a dude's dick. No, it's a sex organ, just like what's a round of seed, it's still the sex organ of the plant. We'll get a pepper, that's hot.It doesn't produce the heat To attract people, it produces the heat 22 deter anything from trying to eat it. Same reason why a lemon?It is sour like it is. But something grows to enjoy it.
Neil deGrasse Tyson is great example of specialisation..e.g. just because someone is an expert in a chosen domain, that does not prevent them from being inept in other areas.
He's just an astrophysicist who doesn't claim to be an expert at everything, speaking off the cuff to a general audience without prior reading or cuts every 10 seconds. The points he is trying to get across are different to Ed's. Neil isn't trying to make moral distinctions or tell people what is right or wrong, just listen to the podcast and you'll realise how absurd this nit-picking is. If Ed and Neil had a conversation about this, you'll probably find that they are on the same team and agree with most things.
@@KimmyJongUn It's almost like he has the fame of an intellectual and people will have a tendency to believe in whatever he says, so he should be careful when out of his expertise...
oh, hey comrade.
So true
I think it’s from things like iron man. There is no person who is a incredible scientist in all fields, amazing engineer in all aspects, and brilliant people’s person.
It’s like how Elon musk is not an engineer designing trains, cars, rockets, and whatever else he owns.
😌 exactly.
Neil is too focused on the universe, he forgets about our planet
This makes no sense...the planet is literally part of the Universe...
@@Alexander-dz3tf I just meant he's too focused on other worlds and discovery while our current world is suffering a climate crisis.
@@sherbok4884 That's not true at all. Check out his podcast, he cares a lot about a lot of things. Including climate change (dude is a scientist, 99% of scientists are on board with climate change being a very real danger by now)
@@-Oddish- if he actually cares about climate change that much, he would realize that most of climate change is caused by eating animals and industries cutting down the rain forests for animal land.
@@-Oddish- he acts like he cares but he should recognize the link between environmental destruction and animal agriculture
I wish I could have you at my side whenever conversations of vegan vs non vegan arise. You have a true gift of discussing these issues and making complete sense out of it.
16 pounds of plants to make 1 pound of meat (beef).
Plant->Animal-->Human
Plant-------->Human
Eating meat takes more life.
Neil is battling some heavy cognitive dissonance.
That is sooo smart! Your thinking is great. And Neil really needs to see this comment
Watch: th-cam.com/video/O8IzdoMuYFM/w-d-xo.html
Yeess finally someone else see this too!Either way if you just eat plants its less suffering! It is only logical. We cant eat nothing, and we cant survive on just meat alone without negative health risks, you either can eat both and be healthy or eat just plants and be heathy and out of those two options the least amount of suffering is eating plant based.
@henry t why would I wonder that? It’s obvious. Cruel, but obvious.
Probably more persuasive argument to the Niels.
I really hope Neil watches this. It's such a shame to see him clutching to those ideas. I feel he's letting his ego take over, when he could be using his brilliance so much better...
HIs test is about to begin... this video is going to force him to reconsider.
He had a brilliance?
You "feel" his ego is taking over? Have you watched any of his science takes? His ego took over a long time ago 😂
He is being used as a celebrity, not as a scientist
There is no reason to. Neil's talked about specie bias. Ed is talking about morals. Two entirely different conversations. Neil never once said he valued a plant more than a dolphin. He even specifically said he appreciates all life.
I think you are right about this one. Neil is trying to explain something that makes no sense. I am glad you also mentioned that he is at least thinking about it, there is a feeling in him that makes him to want to justify his reasoning. Morality is a important obligation as it comes with intelligence. It is a choice we as as species can make. It is not a thing for science to answer, but the insight that studies give us means that there is no excuse not to make a choice. And knowing consequences means that his words on other topics are slightly hypocritical. There are other interviews in witch someone mentioned this also. People change and morals change. I think it would be better for him to mentioned this objectively as a scientist should do.
Glad you covered this too! We made a lot fo the same points so we must be right lol.
Ye
You, my good sir, just earned another sub!
Just because the points are the same wouldn’t mean it’s automatically right… but the points themselves seem to be solid so there’s that :)
The mad lad himself!
Both of your videos were excellent 👍👍
It‘s sometimes shocking and disappointing to see that people who you thought were smart are not able to think clearly in such important issues, and nevertheless talk about them in a very self-confident way. Thank you for analyzing Neil‘s bullshit so nicely, Ed! 🙃
I've been binge-watching your channel all week - I feel that your videos will help me answer tough questions from friends and colleagues about veganism and I can't thank you enough for that!!
Whether lifeforms are sacred or not has nothing to do with my decision to avoid eating the ones that feel pain.
I can't believe a physicist thinks plants have feelings
Well, we don't even know what consciousness is, so it isn't that crazy of a claim. However, he's wrong anyway, because by eating animals we kill way more plant life (harvested to feed the livestock). So, even if you care about plants and animals equally (a true non-speciesist), you should go still vegan.
He didn't say he did
@@AdventureSworn we understand what creates conciousness tho.cells are not concious.plants are basically the same as bacteria in terms of reacting to stimulus automatically
@@Firm-Tofu-King You can not know if anything other than yourself experiences pain, suffering, any other qualia. That rock over there could have some kind of subjective experience of its own. Or the crowd made out of many people. The internet itself could have qualia. The cells, proteins, molecules, atoms, the very fabric of the universe could have qualia. There are no definite answers. Still vegan tho
@@bevkcan ok sar👍
Neil’s fallen into the trap of thinking that this stream of consciousness must be smart, because he’s known for being “smart”
Not gonna lie, I always thought something was off about Neil and the way he handles his persona and expertise. He talks like he is so intelligent (and of course he is) but in a way that I don’t admire or fully trust. Hearing him say these things is such an eye-roller and doesn’t surprise me.
Not much intelligence..he is just parroting memorized topics. When people ask real questions, he never has an answer but manages to keep flapping his lips for hours about nothing. Neil loves his own voice.
He isn't that intelligent. Much of the material in his pop science routine is wrong.
literally same. i’ve always been able to see right through him but i wasn’t sure what it was. same with joe rogan lol. i really feel like talking about veganism always exposes the fakes
A lot of people speak outside their field of expertise. Being smart doesn't make you immune from saying random stuff and not knowing what you are talking about.
Absolutely. The more i listen to him, the more i realise Neil is honestly often times talking nonsense. That’s what happens when people step out of their expertise and still think their an authority on the matter
I've noticed that it's the seemingly smart people who say the darndest things when it comes to animal slaughter. I think they've told themselves that they are completely rational and so when they come across their cognitive dissonance they will say whatever they can to rationalize their contradictory nature.
I can guarantee you that if he had to wield the bolt-gun then draw and quarter what was only seconds ago a very frightened cow... he would see the light.
Or maybe you have some dumb ideas that smart people dismiss, that is also within the realm of possibilities is it not?
@@Ramiromasters give me an example of something someone considered smart, said that disproved the logic of a vegan.
If its moral to kill something which is not sentient or feel pain, then is it moral to kill a person in a coma?
Exactly.
A person in a coma could potentially become sentient if he wakes up.
They're so desperate this is all they can do is try and claim plants are as sentient as animals.
It baffles me how they came to that conclusion.
Watch: th-cam.com/video/O8IzdoMuYFM/w-d-xo.html
@henry t well they kind of are though. i wouldnt necessarily put those acts on par with doing the same thing to a human, but that is rape and that is murder definitionally speaking
@henry t im not saying its exactly the same thing, but it does fit the definition for rape and murder. youre forcibly impregnating a sentient animal and then killing it in a very painful way. If a person were to do that to another person, it doesnt matter whether they derive any pleasure from it, its still rape and murder
@henry t not at all, im not downplaying the injustice and the inhumanity of those acts being committed against actual humans, im just saying its also really really bad to do it to an animal. if i were to complain about the torture and killing of a dog instead of livestock, it sounds like youre basically saying "its not the same thing as doing it to a human, therefore it doesnt matter!"
Neil loves to hear himself talk, but doesn't care if he's making sense
Thank you for the comment, why would you think that?
@@thefitlessinfluencer9771 Because anyone that equates chopping up carrots with hacking baby cows with a pickaxe (legal way they are killed) IS EUTHET BRAINDEAD OR A PSYCHOPATH
@@animalsarebeautifulpeople3094 thank you for your reply:) Did he say that's exactly the same thing in all aspects? That would be an odd statement😅
You should see him when faced with the theory of flat earth
It's arrogance
The argument that ‘plants have lives too’ is one that I hear often and it’s so infuriating. Great video Ed!
So stupid as an argument. Honestly eating most plants doesn't even harm the plants. Fruit was meant to be eaten. 🤦♀️
His argument is literally worse than "But bacon!?".
Plants tho is a classic argument among morons
😂😂😂
It pretty much is. Just a glossed up version of that argument
For me it isn't about life or sentience it's about intelligence of the species in question. If the species is intelligent enough to have developed complex speech patterns then we shouldn't eat them but if they aren't they're fair game. However even if they're not intelligent enough to have developed complex speech patterns we still shouldn't be driving them to extinction, killing them in cruel ways, or killing things just for fun.
@a p
Species* The intelligence of your *species.* Individuals are not part of this equation.
I love how the interviewer is gawking at Neil as if he's making profound, groundbreaking arguments. Of course the reality is that these are the most frequently debunked level 0 carnist arguments ever. There are teens on reddit who have made more original and thought provoking arguments.
For me it isn't about life or sentience it's about intelligence of the species in question. If the species is intelligent enough to have developed complex speech patterns then we shouldn't eat them but if they aren't they're fair game. However even if they're not intelligent enough to have developed complex speech patterns we still shouldn't be driving them to extinction, killing them in cruel ways, or killing things just for fun.
@@godbearxd Intelligence bias for the lack of a better term.
@@Elegyforthend
It's not a bias, it's the reason we're at the top of the food chain. It's not because we're alive it's not because we're sentient it's not because we're bigger stronger faster or more agile than any other lifeform on the planet. We're at the top because we're smarter so why wouldn't we use that as the metric for other things?
@@godbearxd so by that logic is it better to beat up a dumb person than a smart person?
@@Elegyforthend yea I mean why not
Did Neil Degrasse Tyson just dropped a plants feel pain argument??? Wtf...
I'm going hunting this weekend, about to stock up the freezer with some delicious meat.
My 10-year-old said, "Neil just got burned!", and I have to agree.
Then you woke up.
You've got a smart ten year old. Congratulations Dad.
How about you stop feeding him ideas and a diet 0% of our specie tribes evolved with?
@@Ramiromasters And you think your ancestors ate cows? Lol 😂
Wow you’re both much smarter than him.
Wow! That was painful. I think this is a perfect example of why people shouldn't take everything an 'expert' tells you at face value...and should always question them. Thank you Ed for making this important video.
Watch: th-cam.com/video/O8IzdoMuYFM/w-d-xo.html
There are no experts: only expertise! Be careful people when placing trust in others. While it may take time, we all can come to understand reality just as much as these "people with expertise".
I gotta strongly disagree - people who have just googled some random stuff about a subject thinking their opinions and "research" are as valid as the opinions of actual experts in a subject is one of the biggest problems we have today. I have no problem deferring to Neil on all matters astrophysical - and lay people who think watching one TH-cam video about stars makes them qualified to question Neil on this subject are, frankly, idiots. The thing is, Neil isn't, nor does he claim to be, an expert on philosophy or animal rights. In these areas, he's just a lay person - and frankly, he should read the experts on these subjects before he talks about them.
@@GS-lq2is I think you missed the point. There was no mention of Neil being lesser because of this one incident. Also, there was no encouragement of taking your own opinion into more consideration than a professionals.
@@pitoububble Then what does it mean to tell people to "always question" the experts?
It's so funny to see someone who clearly seems to never look up any information on the subject is talking like he actually knows everything... great content as usual, ed! Thanks
Renowned astrophysicist using "plants tho" , works wonders for his credability
@Literally Musab EXACTLY!
@Literally Musab his credibility is actually DEEPLY affected. HOW THE HELL CAN IT NOT? ANY idiot that uses the word SLAUGHTER when referring to brainless beings like plants without a central nerve system IS LITERALLY BRAINLESS. I understand why he doesn't want to eat plants because in his case it would be cannibalism
@@animalsarebeautifulpeople3094 It’s cognitive bias, no one, no matter how smart is immune to it. Just remember Eugenics came from Scientists. Neil Tyson’s credibility is unaffected by this.
Well technically he is an astrophysicist, can’t expect him to be an expert at everything.
@@Mystic-H free masonry isn’t a religion, it is an organization that requires you believe in a god to join as one of many stipulations. This means you can be Buddhist, Christian, Carholic, Jewish, or Muslim to name a few on the top of my head and be a free mason. My father for example is a Protestant Christian and joined the free masons about 7 or 8 years ago.
It isn’t anything new for physicists to be religious. My great grand father was Robert Henry Dicke, a Princeton physicist who worked on things like radar, expanding universe theories, black holes, Dicke-Einstein theory. The man had young Stephen Hawking over to his house before the guy became famous. He went to church. The thing is that the observable universe does not necessarily destroy the viability of the un-observable beliefs that are spiritualism and religion.
It‘s actually a common phenomenon that smart scientists are very often terrible philosophers. Neil is a good example.
@Il Cavalluccio Marino I‘m not sure, but I think it’s because many scientists don’t know that much about philosophy, and at the same time they are really arrogant and think that science is superior to philosophy. They don’t seem to understand that philosophical problems are problems that science can - in principle - never solve because they are not empirical problems at all.
There are a lot of famous scientists who have said really stupid things about philosophical topics: Stephen Hawking, Michio Kaku (see for example his statement about free will and quantum physics), Richard Dawkins, Francis Crick, Christof Koch and a lot of other famous brain scientists etc.
@Il Cavalluccio Marino Some scientists think badly of philosophy or philosophers because they don't do experiments and think that philosophy is mere speculation. They think that only science can give us the right answers.
As @funckmasta pointed out, these scientists fail to see that philosophical problems are different from scientific problems.
Eaten all vegan for 2 weeks now; going to stick with it. I actually dont feel I have had to sacrifice taste, which I used to think was a big problem with veganism. The first few meals were a failure and nearly put me off, which I imagine would likely be the case for others trying to cook vegan for the first time. After experimenting with a few different meals I have found plenty which taste great; was more down to my rubbish cooking in the end, haha. Also didnt really like Soy milk, almond was OK, but Oat milk actually tastes really good.
I remember becoming vegan. Before I made the switch I had such a hard time with my cognitive dissonance that I went for a 3 hours walk. During this time, I developed a lot of thoughts that sound similiar to Neils pov. Today I'm very sad at how distorted my view was back than, but I'm glad I overcome this stupidity. Freaking bacteria rights activists, lmao
I think Neil is being intellectually dishonest on this topic. Or it's a case of "stupid smart people"....good video
Thank you for existing, Ed!
6:40 ... I'm already facepalming so hard... Oh... Why... Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy... it's even more frustrating to see him trying to make a VERY STUPID POINT with a calm and collected voice like he is saying something intelligent.
I agree, it reminded me of Sam Harris how he does similar on controversial topics
I don't mind people using a calm and collected voice when discussing their opinions. That's actually one of the things I respect about Earthling Ed -- even though I disagree with him on a lot, at least he is usually calm.
Nearly one year vegan, never going back. Thank you, Ed. 💚
Over a year already, ok you’ve done that… now after a year of being vegan you will start to deteriorate.
Track yourself for the next 3-5 months… you will look frail and feel weak, your hair will start to fall.. you will visit the toilet more than usual, you will experience brain fog, you will lose more money on food.. you will have to eat a larger quantity than usual. And even if you do eat a large quantity of food, you’ll feel stuffed but unsatisfied. You will start to lose muscle, you will be unable to do normal tasks and exercises compared to when you had eggs and meat, you will resort to unnatural ways of obtaining the vitamins your body needs, through pills and medication.
If you have eggs and fish from time to time, you won’t have to experience the things I mentioned about the experiences of being an ex vegan
I bet you guys live in a third world country.
@@1Tim1.15 nah
@@1Tim1.15 sources: "trust me bro"
@@1Tim1.15 ciiiiiiationnnn neeeeedeeedddddd
"I don't want to be speciesist"
I laughed out loud & shook my head at the absurdity of that statement.
"You know enough to think right but not enough to realize you're wrong!" - From Neil's Masterclass Ad but applies to himself.
@Il Cavalluccio Marino I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be "to think you're right" not "to think right."
Animals are sentient. I can’t believe we still have to explain this 😂🙆🏽♀️
And yet we do! Over and over and over again.
And so arethe millions of people that eat meat to survive. Removing a quarter of the world's food supply will kill more humans on top of the 9 million already starving every year.
@@limitisillusion7 The animals you eat are eating food that could go to people. We currently grow enough food to feed well over the population we have. But it's given to animals instead so you can have a steak while other people starve.
@@GS-lq2is The process that creates the food that feed these animals is much more efficient than the process that puts vegan food on shelves.
@@GS-lq2is we do have the food to feed the world, but we still fail to do so. It's an allocation problem. the bioavailability of protein from vegan food is also much lower than that from animal products, not to mention there is less protein per calorie compared to animal protein sources. I eat pretty healthy, and I also enjoy body building. That requires a high protein bioavailability and a high protein to calorie ratio. But beyond all of that, we evolved to be opportunitic omnivores. Whether you realize it or not, supermarkets have become the source of that opportunity, and given our thousands of years of omnivorous nature, we will tend to eat both. There is no natural behavior stronger than our inclination to eat all types of food. You would have an easier time getting humanity to quit fucking and fighting than to stop eating what their bodies like.
I pointed out to my cousin who insisted that plants feel pain, that even if he was correct, and even if plants felt a billion times more pain than animals, veganism would still be the morally superior option. Less plants die. Less animals die. Veganism wins in both scenarios, and by a LARGER margin if he was correct about plants feeling pain....which they. Don't
He actually uses the word SLAUGHTER when referring to plants....I have absolutely ZERO respect for this man now. NONE.
@henry t well when it comes to animals it IS rape and murder. Or would you say the animals want to die? Have you ever seen any animal that is about to be slaughtered? They want to escape so bad! If a human doesn't want to die and another one is killing them, then it's MURDER. The same goes for rape. The animals do not want someone to forcefully push their arm in their genitals and if you want to tell me anything else you are either brain dead or have the mental capacity of a stone. Animals are sentient beings while plants aren't.
Amen
@@viola6562 lol no its not you cannot murder animals
Wow never lost respect for someone that fast
for reallll
I never had any respect for this phony in first place
I'm not a vegan or vegetarian but Neil had such a weak argument which is pretty normal for him 😂
I like Neil, its so sad to see a highly intelligent person show ignorance toward Animals and plants
He's lacking empathy and common sense, I can careless how smart he is.
I don't mean to offend. What makes you think he is intelligent?
Not intelligent by a mile. Just a phony made famous by mainstream media
“I don’t value judge one life over another based on its proximity to us”. So A human has as much moral value as a carrot?
The purely scientific position would be that neither humans nor carrots have "moral value". Value is a subjective thing -- we all value different things.
I would actually argue that lentils, rice, etc. are MORE valuable to me than cows, pigs, chickens, etc. If these plants went extinct I would starve to death (since I am unwilling to eat animal products).
It seems strange that vegans argue that domesticated animals possess "moral value" since the logical conclusion of veganism is the extinction of these domesticated species (which I fully support btw).
Yes.
Both have the exact same "right" to exist.
@@mistahkurtz2351 yikes. Dunning-Kruger isn't treating you well
@@koopag8 Are you a psychologist? I only pointed out that science is not concerned about morality, which you have not refuted.
He really thought he was making a point, eh?
As an extremely science-loving person, I'm disappointed with Neil. But I'm glad that CosmicSkeptic is a vegan.
So plants aren't sentient now? What's your moral right to kill plants more than killing animals?...
I loved Startalk when it first came out, but the longer it went on the more I started to dislike the takes on the show about random topics like sports, entertainment, and now speciesism. Thank you for putting this on my radar Ed, keep up the amazing work. You are a champ.
why do people always forget that the animals they eat also have to eat plants
Great video. Watching Neil's argument makes me question his other research as well.
"when the cringe is too strong"
This was absolutely the moment I turned off the original video!
It's unbelievable to me that he understands the law of thermodynamics when debunking The Matrix, but cannot grasp the inefficiency of eating an animal that first had to eat plants.
I commend Neil for at least having the self-awareness of a middle schooler in this particular matter
Which means you think middle schoolers are less aware and thus their ideas are below those above them, in the same way farm animals are so incredibly below human thought that we should not be too concerned for their sacrifice as we feed ourselves. I like how you think.
@@Ramiromasters lol I don't respect the fact that you eat animals, but that was still pretty funny
I would love to see you in a conversation with Neil, thanks for the video!
Isn't it simply that when you eat a plant, you don't kill it anyway - you eat the edible fruits, berries and leaves that regrow.
Exactly!
Neil's logic
Meat eaters: omg so deep, so true ✊😔
Vegans: what the actual fuck?
For me it isn't about life or sentience it's about intelligence of the species in question. If the species is intelligent enough to have developed complex speech patterns then we shouldn't eat them but if they aren't they're fair game. However even if they're not intelligent enough to have developed complex speech patterns we still shouldn't be driving them to extinction, killing them in cruel ways, or killing things just for fun.
Crushed it! Bravo
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@@Woot8093 I like burgur
@@hypn0tic109 me too
Wow didn't think I'd see Negreanu on a vegan video! Loved watching you in Pog Champs
ah so thats why your hair ran away.
Neil has become more of an internet meme than an intellectual.
"cutting deGrasse"... I see what you did there, Ed. :D
Always pleased to have Ed, giving us the best advice to survive in our beautiful world.
The fact that we assign "moral worth" to different animals is Neil's point. He had some extreme examples, but humans value some animals over others.
@@pringles4312 What do you mean? I can't really tell what your point was, because I wrote that comment as a human that understands I have species bias too.
@@pringles4312 Fair. Btw I prefer we didn't farm animals just to kill and eat them. Food isn't the end all though. I'll gladly invite a cat into my house, but I'll chase out a rat. I didn't mean to sound evil, but I agree with neil in how we value one type of animal over another.
@@pringles4312 And I agree with you
@@pringles4312 just wait til the aliens come and see themselves as far superior to us and start experimenting on us, and breeding and enslaving us for food😆
Neil speaks exactly like me just before I went vegan. The plant-is-alive-too-argument was the biggest issue I had with veganism until I realized that we already distinguish the worth of different lifeforms. The car accident with the dog and the flower is the perfect example, but also by that logic there would be no reason why we shouldnt kill and eat other humans.
The big one is human meat makes people go insane
Neil deGrasse Tyson, Bill Nye, Richard Dawkins, are all good examples of why the humanities are so important, you don't want to end up like them. Their ignorance is embarrassing.
What's even more embarrassing is the foolish fan boys that follow them around like they are jesus or something, for no reason other than the fact that they "seem fun" and act like an overcompensating 7 year old whilst explaining things they themselves don't even understand fully.
@@pinetreepizza Yeah, their fan base is super toxic. They act arrogant yet revel in their own ignorance. It's amazing.
At least Dawkins doesn't say stupid shit like "plants tho", hes a is vegetarian iirc.
@Jason Voorhees Na hes pretty smart so normally says smart things, hes never said anything stupid about veganism as far as I know.....
The "big brains" were just used metaphorically. I don't think Neil literally meant bigger brain sizes correlate with increased intelligence.
I lost so much respect for Mr. de Grasse Tyson :(.
but didnt lose respect for him after what he did to that woman....
@@doxasticc what did he do?
@@edwinv4155 He was accused by Thchiya Amet El Maat of drugging and ra ping her. Everything in her story has checked out. He was also accused by a bunch of other women of sexual misconduct, while he was married.
@@doxasticc I hadn't heard of this.
Just along as you "give thanks" for the lives you mess up... Yep, right.. That’s some deep spiritual shit right there. Nothing remotely close to bullshiting so that he can be at ease when satisfying his taste buds and belly
Neil doesn’t want to loose endorsements, people would say anything to keep a check
I'm sure a lot of people who used to admire Neil are now extremely disappointed in hearing such lame excuses. I sure am.
Neil always struck me as the kind of guy who put 100% of his self worth into defining himself as an “intellectual”.
This always seems to lead to lack of self-awareness, arrogance and ignorance in a lot of fields outside his speciality. He seems to speak confidently on subjects he may not be that holistically-educated on; likely in an attempt to uphold said-ego.
It’s so surprising to me that an “intellectual celebrity” like Neil would make such obvious logical fallacies and cognitive bias-driven perspectives. To me, this points directly to the fact that he’s unlikely to ever change his perspectives on this matter (if he’s even honestly questioned his own beliefs to begin with). He would have to admit to himself that he’s wrong, which is exactly what self-identified “intellectuals” will always refuse to do.
Anyway, I should take it easy on him, Ed wrecked him enough 😜
Joking aside, I do respect Neil; just disappointed in him here. I hope he can hear Ed’s perspective and is willing to revisit the topic and is open to challenge himself.
Your yt account is older than me
@@angycucumber4319 😂 Damn TH-cams been around that long?!
I accidentally stumbled upon the vegan hive, they appear hostile
When CosmicSkeptic and Earthling Ed upload on the same day is such a blessing.
Amen to that
Amén to our non-existent god
@@dot5816 The Holy Trinity shall be complete when Joey releases a video as well
I mean it's like Vegan Jesus & his disciple lol
@@augustinwai6399 haha yes it shall!
Neil loves the sound of his own voice
Took me to the end of the video to realize this was a defense for veganism. I felt like this wasn't at all clear.
As Neil is explaining stuff, it looks like the other guy is trying not to laugh 😂
The length that people go to when eating animals is crazy. Yet they accuse vegans of being crazy. 👌
He should focus only on astrophysics topics
Ah, yes, I can hear Neil's words ringing true…
"One of the great challenges in this world is knowing enough about a subject to think you're right but not enough about the subject to know you're wrong."
- Neil deGrasse Tyson in his MasterClass Ad (th-cam.com/video/io6QdGcoWMU/w-d-xo.html)
Ed with light years more wisdom than Neil.
I think you been a vegan too long...
The relevant issue isnt about the size of the animals brain or its level of intelligence, its about their ability to experience suffering