I have a son who is a Calvinist as he married into that belief system. We love him and his wife but they simply cannot find any respect for us or simple kindness. We do not see them nor the grandchildren as a result. It's very painful. We have tried to talk about things but they refuse to dialogue. It's almost like the goal is separation. We will be leaving soon to move overseas, and the thought that we may possibly not see them again on this earth is difficult, but we trust our Father's work in all of our lives.
Yes! Im glad you brought up Alana. (I love that you and your wife are friends with her!) I think she is terrific and has a valuable testimony. When I first heard that clip from MacArthur, I was horrified. I've heard him make arrogant statements before, but this one was so cringeworthy and disappointing. I was angry on Alana's behalf. How dare He talk about a sister in Christ in such a dismissive and condescending way. I know plenty of other scholarly believers who have studied the Word for fifty plus years and wholeheartedly believe Calvinism to be a false doctrine. I have come to the same conclusion. But what do I know? I'm just a wistful girl of 54 who has walked with the Lord for a mere 46 years. 😊 I also disagree with MacArthur on the pre-Trib rapture. 🤷 Maybe I should just keep my thoughts to myself.
My first encounter with several Calvinists was on a Mike Winger video regarding Calvinism. The attacks were far from the reaction one would think represents the fruit of the Spirit. I was surprised by the lack of civility and maturity. Of course, I don’t think everyone that believes their doctrines behaves that way, but it sure wasn’t a good representation of how believers should behave. I’ve also seen many comments on Leighton Flowers Soteriology 101 channel. Often see people very rude and often angry.
Hey brother, I'm not a Calvinist but this message (I'm only 7 minutes in) is really speaking to me. I think sometimes it's the trap of trying to be obedient and knowledgable of God's word, that I start to judge professing Christians based on how they act / live. It's being overly critical and shutting my love down. Appreciate the biblical reminder that we are to love the brethren and our neighbors. Feel better soon, God bless you all
Jason, in my opinion one needs nerves of steel and a very thick skin in order to confront the erros of Calvinism online. I greatly admire those who can do it but I know I never could. The hardcore Calvinists I know believe 100% that they have ‘the true gospel’ so will fight against opposing views with every breath they take. Perhaps you’re just too kind and gentle to tackle this horrible doctrine? I don’t know but I certainly wish you well in your every endeavour. Have a blessed Christmas! 🙏🏻🕊️❤️
IFB is another example and you can never ever, ever question the one man that is the supreme authority over all - the pastor. If you do then you are labelled a rebel and you end up finding yourself blindsided by the rest and next thing before you realise you are set up to be excommunicated. Honestly, church buildings have done a great deal of damage in so many ways and I honestly think the Church is going to go back to gathering in houses very soon.
Hey brother Jason! I just want to tell you that you have a kind and gentle spirit that Exercises knowledge of the scriptures in a loving way. If anyone that calls himself a believer can’t figure that out, they need to reevaluate their thinking. You are a blessing to many people in many ways. Be encouraged brother. Gods is raising you in this platform. Be of good cheer. When you walk in the counsel of the Lord, there will always be opposition.
"No one can disprove the doctrine I have expounded except he who pretends to be wiser than the Spirit of God" - John Calvin, Concerning the Eternal Predestination of God, p.161 Explains so much of the Critical Calvinist spirit.
I pray you aren’t discouraged when people are critical. Your video explaining Ephesians 1 was the first time I had ever heard the idea that Paul was speaking of the Apostles. It makes sense that other people came to that conclusion before you, and truthfully I’d be pretty skeptical of the idea if no one did, but you were the first one that I heard it from so your title to your video wasn’t just “marketing”. It was warranted. Don’t grow weary in well doing. I appreciate your content. Keep going strong! 🙏
Paul isn't speaking to the apostles, man. C'mon. Breda's entire thing is to disprove calvinism, not to teach biblical truth. Anything to get rid of election and predestination! If Ephesians 1 is the apostles only and not all believers, then that is extremely depressing and not good news at all. They just want to attack every part of the bible that talks about election and make it say that it applies to jews only or the apostles, not us gentiles. It's sad. But hey, anything to disprove calvinism amirite?
most of them do, even if they won't say it up front. I have a great love for Calvinists, and have been GREATLY impacted by Calvinist preaching. But the facial expressions and reaction of most Calvinists when you tell them you're saved but not Calvinist, is one of doubt and disinterest in your thoughts on theology. In my personal experience this has been extremely consistent. The idea of being elected to salvation for obvious reasons can cause pride.
@@TheAugustBurnsRedFan In essence I believe Calvinists teachers prefer to trust ‘election’ because of their lack of revelation, understanding and experience concerning actual (how) being born again. (Acts 2:36-41)
@@glennishammont7414 There is no act of "revelation" now, we already have it in the scriptures, and they know actual (how) being born again. Your assumption by pointing out Acts 2 is that men can believe and be baptized by their own doing and desires, which is just flat out false. In Fact, Christ says in John 3:8 being born of the Spirit (regeneration/born again) is like the wind. You have no idea where it's going, when it's coming, etc. The reason why people hate Calvinism is because it destroys man's pride and their ability to be in control. You can't make yourself be born again, it's entirely a work of God, and those who repent, believe, and get baptized do so because they were regenerated, it all happens at the same time. You can't choose good if you love evil, your heart is wicked and deceitful above all things, and your thoughts are evil continuously, as stated so many times in the Bible. Man loves his self-autonomy.
@@KnightFel What the scriptures tell us. 1 - The work of Gods Spirit is to convict of sin, righteousness and judgement (John 16:8) 2 - Conviction makes repentance possible (Acts 2:37-41) 3 - Salvation is conditional upon, being willing to obey by believing, repenting and being baptised. (Acts 2:37-41) 4 - * The Lord * (!!!!!) is willing to regenerate those who are willing to meet those conditions. (John 1:12) 5 - God does not want ANYONE to perish. Not biblical: - Unconditional election. (Makes the Gospel message void) - Regeneration preceding faith. (Excuse for NOT being regenerated, it is only an assumption) (crucial error within Calvinism) - Irresistible grace. (Grace is not irresistible. (Acts 7:51)) Not any born again believer makes the absurd claim that being born again was his own doing. The reason people trust Calvinism, is to avoid any form of accountability or to have the excuse for the actual absence of His presence or involvement of His Spirit in their life. They don't need revelation, in order to be able to continue in their own flesh, they believe only scripture is sufficient. That is the reason the scriptures tells us, the letter kills but the Spirit gives life, not by might, nor by power but by My Spirit. Without Me you cannot do anything (John 15), The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. etc.
@@KnightFel Quote: - The reason why people hate Calvinism is because it destroys man's pride and their ability to be in control. You can't make yourself be born again - this is a complete insane insinuation. OF COURSE GOD is the one who generates, but he also sets the conditions for doing so. The Gospel is a conditional message. The Spirit convicts of sin, righteousness and judgement. After this we need to respond. (repent, put our faith in God, be baptised) We can reject this offer of salvation. Those who genuinely accept and respond to the Gospel (judged by God) will be regenerated by God. (John 1:12) Regeneration preceding faith could be a fatal heresy. Yes, We need the Gospel, we need the scriptures and we absolutely need the actual guidance of His Spirit. Salvation does have three stages, the initial, continuous life matured by His Spirit (sanctification), Definite salvation, (Glorification). So limiting it to a one time moment is a dangerous presupposition.
This negative attitude is something that runs in my family, who, except for me, remain Calvinist. I’m well aware of it and strive continuously to not be this way, with the help of my husband, who has cured me of a lot of these tendencies in the past. I think it’s because Reformed religion focuses so much on the sinfulness of man, and the judgment of God, and the law, and they don’t speak enough about God’s love and how He wants all people to be saved. In their system, there’s no way to know for sure how to be saved, and if you really are. I have relatives who died, who just hoped they were, didn’t know for sure.
Calvinism DOES NOT include love, mercy, justice, fellowship, a true relationship with God, etc x 10000 Why?? Because Jean Cauvin made a religion that is a mirror image of his own corrupt, super narcissist, ignorant, vindictive and murderous heart. Every aspect of Calvinism is straight from his cold dark heart. He had a spirit there and it was not the Holy Spirit.
I guess your relatives didn't understand reformed theology. It's not a religion, it's Christianity. In the "reformed system", you do have assurance, it's THE strongest assurance. If you repented and trusted in Christ Jesus, you are saved. This cannot be done apart from God's grace. I mean, that's it. There is no one who is actually reformed who really trusts in Christ and not themselves and just hopes they are elect, that is not how it works, although it seems most people's understanding of Calvinism on TH-cam is precisely this, which is totally false. And yes, there is a heavy focus on the sinfulness of man and the law of God because that is literally the heaviest focuses in the Bible. You cannot come to an understanding of the gospel or the incalculable love of God for His sheep unless you understand the severity of God's law upon man and how much man fails at it daily. You cannot preach the Holiness of God, nor the judgment of God, nor the law of God enough, you must do so. You must also preach the gospel equally. It must be law + gospel. The Bible doesn't say God is love love love, it says He's Holy, Holy, Holy, and He is to be feared and worshiped in reverenced and loved with all our minds and hearts. You also need to realize that God is not obligated to save anyone. That is a fact, otherwise it would cease to be mercy and grace, and rather an obligation. God saves ALL who repent and believe. There is no one in hell who can claim they honestly believed on Christ.
It does seem like those who embrace Calvinistic philosophy do seem to truly believe that control is the purest interpretation of scripture and the highest form of love. So it makes sense, that they would consider any kind of control as justified. The Bible tells us that love is the highest form of maturity(1 Cor 13), not control. We reflect the Cross, by giving Love through personal respect and also in truth that is free of self righteousness.
@@cecilspurlockjr.9421 you're on every anti-Calvinist channel you can find spouting critical nonsense. It's nothing new for you. If you don't see the blatant hypocrisy in your post and the irony of it being in the comment section for this particular video, I'm really not surprised.
@doulos9828 Of course I'm critical of your false doctrine . Very seldom am I critical of tge person unless they behave like McArthur, White etc ....I attack the doctrine not the person because i love everyone of you very much . 😘
@@cecilspurlockjr.9421 there is nothing false about reformed theology. It is biblical theology that is God-centered, as opposed to the man-centered, free-will theology that Catholicism and people like yourself espouse which has no basis in sound biblical doctrine. MacArthur and White are certainly not without their faults, but their soteriological position is solid and biblical.
Jason, I had an atheist professor once... in order to be humble, I told him that although I could be wrong about Christ, I was willing to be my life on him. Boy, he took that and ran with it! "Why would if bet my life on something that I could be wrong about?" Seems that this guy is doing the same to you. Humility is good, but be careful about who you are communicating with... some people will use your humility to humiliate you!
Interestingly enough, the professor is betting his eternal life on the fact that there isn't an Almighty God, while us followers In Christ gladly give up this life for our hope of eternity with Jesus (although we also know that obedience to God leads to a most blessed life here as well:)
Mockers hailed assaults at Jesus on the cross and His response was to ask the Father to forgive them. Mockers hate true revelation because it cannot be manipulated. Absolute truth can NEVER change, or be manipulated. This may feel humiliating at times, nevertheless love isn’t affected by humiliation. Psalm 1 is the pathway that prospers, in all of our ways(avoiding the influence of mockery), but courage in the face of loving others with truth is beautiful. I applaud you 👏👏👏
I really appreciate you being transparent about different understandings of Eph 1 that you’ve worked through. I’ve been studying it as well, and I’m currently in the “ all believers in Christ” interpretation. A slight difference I have is that the “spiritual” blessings are a more specific blessing that flow from the general blessing that God has blessed the world with by fulfilling his promise to Abraham. Peter references this in Acts 3:25-26.
Very nice presentation. The Proverbs verse was terrific. I’ve known some very sweet Calvinists, but I think that’s because they weren’t being consistent with its teachings. Having the idea that God only loves those of a particular group that you belong to is obviously liable to lead one to be arrogant, and a critical spirit is just one of the symptoms of arrogance. Of course, arrogance is a problem for us all, but we don’t need a theological belief system which pushes us in that direction.
"Critical" is an adjective that describes a thoughtful and analytical approach, involving the use of judgement and discernment. I think you should add the word "unjustly critical", "manipulative critique", or "deceptively proposed bias"
To be fair to you, Jason. I asked you in the comments section of the community post to watch Mel Rupp's video if your going to make John 6 video and you said "yes, I already watched Mel Rupp and he's a big help" And you did acknowledged Mel Rupp in your video. So, I think that's enough, people can search for Mel Rupp. In the videos that I watched and in the pulpit as well, I do often hear pastors quoting people and they don't even put a link or Acknowledgement. I listen to one Pastor preaching the "order of salvation" from Wayne Gruden's Systematic Theology and he said that's what the Bible says and he did not even say at the pulpit that's what Wayne Gruden wrote in his book. That journey has led me to your video because the pastor said he does not even know what Calvinism is, he only heard it from me but in the footnote of Wayne Gruden's Order of salvation, Gruden said this is what Calvinists believes as the order of salvation--something like that.
"Responding to the critical spirit" may look more like "Responding to the Narcissist." In the manner of Jason's respondent, "I am not claiming that he is, but you should probably check out the tactics of a covert narcassist. That dude has a huge blind side and speaks in irony.
Calvinists do have a critical spirit. They find comfort in stressing that God glories in choosing most men for destruction before they're even born, and looks forward to that glorious day when He will toss the lost into the Lake of Fire. They scoff at those who believe His Word that He does not desire any man to perish, but to be saved (1Tim 2:4; 2Pet 3:9). Here is what the Word of God says to those perverse ideas: Amos 5:18-20 NASB95 Alas, you who are longing for the day of the LORD, For what purpose will the day of the LORD be to you? It will be darkness and not light; [19] As when a man flees from a lion And a bear meets him, Or goes home, leans his hand against the wall And a snake bites him. [20] Will not the day of the LORD be darkness instead of light, Even gloom with no brightness in it?
That is not a critical spirit. That is YOU leading your interpretation of a critical spirit to disparage Calvinism. Furthermore, the video is about Calvinism, and you are criticizing Calvinists. Any by the way, you do not know all Calvinists to make such a broad accusation.
I don't consider anyone who doesn't believe all Calvin taught to be a Calvinist. I'm referencing true followers, not those who listen to MacArthur's meek and disguised Calvinism on Sundays . Most self-described Calvinists don't even know half of what he believed.
@TwoWhoAreOne I don't think that MacArthur is disguised. At the same time, MacArthur is not a high Calvinist like I am. It sounds like you have issues with Hyper Calvinists, as do I
So very sorry to hear what you've experienced. There are many of us out here who have experienced similar things. Regarding "merchandising" Jesus. Paul said this, "If we sowed spiritual things in you, is it too much if we should reap material things from you?" (1 Corinthians 9:11) and "So also the Lord directed those who proclaim the gospel to get their living from the gospel." (1 Corinthians 9:14) Scripture also states, "The one who is taught the word is to share all good things with the one who teaches him." (Galatians 6:6) There is more but notice that Paul says in the 1 Cor 9:14 passage about where this comes from....So also THE LORD DIRECTED those who proclaim the gospel TO GET THEIR LIVING FROM THE GOSPEL. (Note: upper case spelling is merely for emphasis and is not shouting) Particularly the Galatians 6:6 passage shows us what our attitude should be toward those who "teach." AND it is the introduction for Paul's thought when he states right after this, "DO NOT BE DECEIVED, God is not MOCKED; for whatever a MAN SOWS this he will also REAP." (Galatians 6:7) This is a subject that is rarely taught in church today. This is just me, but I need to know that you love me before I will allow one to speak into my life. It needs to be someone who is invested in my life. I will take all things I hear to the Lord, but it doesn't mean I always receive it. I consider the source. The best that I've received has come from those that I know truly know me and love me. I also know how hard it was for them to willingly risk our relationship in order to speak "truth" into my life. I was also taught differently. The brother should have contacted you personally first. That is Scripture. We should never "desire" to have to do this. It shouldn't be something that we do on a regular basis. It is very serious to actually do this because Jesus has told us that our standard of judgment will be measured back to us (Matthew 7:2) I know that this has been incredibly painful for you and I pray that God heals your heart and that it won't have a negative impact on your ministry.
I honestly believe that people who pry as much as that person did into every detail regarding your video and then grossly enlarge the possible small issue into a major one are just simply looking to find character flaws in order to discredit your work in rightly dividing the word, so they will not feel convicted about rheir own position. I forget what the tactic is called but Andy Woods has mentioned it in his own videos concerning issues with calvinism. He specifically goes into John MacArthurs attacks on dispensationlists and even more specifically Charles Ryrie. Very interesting how the same type of spirit uses the same tactics against anyone pointing to another school of thought that differs from theirs. Sounds like the pharisees to me.
Jason, you have no reason to feel the need to defend yourself for creative titles. 🤦🏻♂It's an admirable quality that you are wiling to 'self-reflect' ... but don't let it reach the point of a character flaw.... Your titles are not 'clikbait' and you've got the 'goods' none the less. The irony with "Reformed Pilgrim's" 56:29 offer to ....pray for you that you 'consider' all this... ?? "As if" his prayer would change anything is laughable , IMO🤔 For most Calvinists, consistency with the doctrine they have 'chosen' to believe is impossible to maintain on a daily basis. I'm always amused when Calvinists, of any stripe, have an issue with "whatsoever God has unchangeably ordained in eternity past"... Seriously... complaining seems to be their favorite pastime.. and it shouldn't even be in their vocabulary. John MacArthur is a very fortunate man to have been predestined by God to become so popular and $uccessful criticizing so many other things God has predestined. ... How lucky can one guy be? John Piper affirms every abortion is a manifestation of God's perfect will. Yet he would probably donate to stop them.
It seems like stating that Reformed Pilgrim might have been engaging in "double speak" could be a subtle way of judging his motives, perhaps similar to the subtle way you thought he was judging your motives by supposedly engaging in the "double speak" of which you spoke.
The devil has been twisting scripture from the beginning Who knows the mind of God but the Spirit of God? Look for the fruit of the Spirit of truth, there you will find truth. I remember when the Spirit gently corrected me that knowledge itself is not a fruit. Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness and temperance are the tell tale factors of whether I am walking in the Spirit toward all men. It was a humbling experience to examine myself accordingly and changed my spirituality trajectory.
There is a great book on this subject, written by a Calvinist FOR Calvinists on this very subject. It's called: Humble Calvinism: And if I Know the Five Points, But Have Not Love ...by J.A. Medders
25:00 - yes, I had to stop (or way reduce) my viewing of "discernment ministry" videos. I was playing them more than sermons or anything else, and I asked myself why - what was I getting out of them. When I realised it was to feel good about myself, because I've at least got _that_ figured out, I saw how shallow I was being. As an escape from the "you're not doing good enough" preaching, it was a reprieve and feel-good. I think they're super valuable for people who are still trapped under the teaching of demon slayers and the prosperity gospel, but for me ... I barely even check in to see what's new, now. Most of their audience is "the choir" if you know what I mean
By 'critical spirit', I assume you mean an 'angry spirit'. Being 'critical' simply means 'discerning". I take your definition, but the word 'critical' does not necessarily connote or denote the definition you present. Nevertheless, keeping in mind how you defined 'critical', I can follow your logic.
Comment from someone read during video: "Calvinism has made me humble." Something about that sort of self-assessment is disturbing - maybe we shouldn't toot our own horn "and if you don't believe me then just ask me." I know, Calvinism is big on "not taking credit" and the commenter was not taking credit for his self-professed humility but giving his Calvinism the credit. But suppose it sounded like this: I've embraced Calvinism and I hope you'll hear from friends, acquaintances and loved ones that humility is evident. If not, I have to reflect. It also would distant the commenter from the virtue-signaling insinuation of "Calvinism makes me humble and the reason it's not more popular is pride on the part of the opposing side."
My experience is not so much that they are angry but that they seem to hold in their mind a sense of hubris and arrogance...ready at any moment to debate and demean your understanding of theology. Now having said that, I know many who are as humble as can be. I would love those humble leaders would speak up to their camp. I've actually heard some do that. Good on them.
If no one should ever have a "critical spirit," how do we reprove? How do we do all manner of confrontations that God's word says we should do? Did Paul have a critical spirit when he publicly call Peter a hypocrite? It's the needless criticism with ill intent that's wrong!
I think it's ok to be critical to a point, this is how we all become good "Bereans." But not giving our brethren the benefit of the doubt, or assuming malice or malicious intent is when we see a critical spirit - one that doesn't 'trust all things' or 'hope all things' as we are called to do in love (1 Corinthians 13).
Criticism=/= critical spirit. Critical spirit is a specific Christianesw term for a kind of assumed air of invincible superiority over someone you disagree with and their position. Such a person has to really struggle to find s good things to say bur can nit pick a book of criticism from a single sentence even if they haveto totally miss the point to do it. Love informs a kind of constructive criticism that isn't superior like this.
I appreciate the thoughtfulness and caution you pit in all your responses. I'm looking forward to more content next year and your response to my email soon.
Jason, I don't know this guy's motive, but it can be very condescending to say, "I'm really concerning about you!" "Please pray about this, "brother."" "I'm trying to help you!"
It CAN be loving, but the tone here... it's dripping with superior condescension, especially after it's been established this is after a series of back and forth he dekeyed making his fresh video seem an isolated unaddressed thing when it isn't. Also, dollars to donuts ge hasn't spent more than 20 seconds, once, "praying" for Jason. If He clutched his pearls any harder he'd never have children again.
I and some others post memes on Facebook at MemeVangelists. One reason we choose to poke fun at Calvinism (rather than any of the other views we disagree with) is precisely because of the critical spirit we so often encounter. Who else so regularly accuses other Christians of being Pelagians, synergists, worship pagan goddess free will, think they can save themselves and thereby steal God's glory and credit for salvation, preach a different Gospel, are barely saved, etc?
There is a reason there are reformed churches and non reformed. Like all Christians, I have been to both. If I was attending a church that was teaching that the reason I am a Christian and believing that Christ is my Savoir is because "I " did this or " I " did that, then my wife and are leaving to find a church that teaches a biblical doctrine that I am a Christian because " God" did this and "God" did that. My faith is based on knowing that God loved me first and I am saved despite me. That in no way negates what I have done or makes me not culpable for my actions. I will always explain this truth as does the church I attend. I have been blessed to have been brought there by God's providence. Gods Word is a dividing Word. It will, by nature, force us to choose what we believe it is teaching when presented with it. I am grateful for the many men who have gone before us and have articulated it. We will have to decide who did that most accurately. The confessions that have been written over the centuries are helpful in helping us state what we believe. It is sad that there are those who are committed to destroying past and present theologians who have been used by God to recover the true gospel from an apostate church. A church that taught that God is saving men who have the "will" to do what is right in Gods eyes. It seems many people like that idea very much and the struggle in the true church is always having to be teaching men that their "will" is in bondage. It is actually mans sinful nature itself, ironically, that does not want to accept that God had to change our nature first to give us the eyes to see our greatest need. Individual sinful actions by men does not change truth. Our experience, our reason, our feelings and our failure to be living up to the bibles standard of obedience has never changed what God has done or is doing. That is , saving a people for Himself.
@@polskigirl8547 Keep reading all through 10 and into chapter 11. 11:7 What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened. 1 Thessalonians 1: 2-5a We give thanks to God always for all of you, constantly mentioning you in our prayers, remembering before our God and Father your work of faith and labor of love and steadfastness of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ. For we know, brothers love by God, that he has chosen you because our gospel came to you not only in word, but also in power and in the Holy spirit and with full conviction. Yes, you are saved because you believed. And you believed because you were elect by God to believe.
@@davevandervelde4799 Wrong for your Calvinism belief system…..I do not believe it….at once I did…but God showed me that he is no respecter of persons according to scripture….conditions yes as in Romans 19:9-10…..the condition for salvation is believing…. The Calvinistic belief system is nothing but conveluted logic…..it is a cult…they worship traditions of men and is patristic in nature….put men on pedestals like your boy Johnny Mac…. He teaches you can take the mark of the beast and still be saved…he teaches the blood atonement of Jesus is nothing….just a bleeding man……
@@davevandervelde4799 No! It's because you choose to believe, after hearing the word of God. Salvation is a co-op (us doing God's will for us) and partaking in the divine nature of Jesus Christ. Having his name (character) written in our foreheads.
Just a constructive observation. This is the first time I've seen or heard you talking. One thing you need to really squelch is the no-stop apologizing to Calvinists before bringing out the topic. There is nothing to apologize for, but there MORE than enough reasons to flee the dark deception and trap of Satan.
_"...dark deception and trap of Satan"_ comment gets a ❤ from Jason. Wow. Jason, there can be nothing more exemplary of a critical spirit than for you to align yourself in agreement with someone who would make such a false and derogatory statement about reformed theology. People like myself who disagree with some of your soteriological/ theological views might say that you are wrong or misguided; but I highly doubt that any of your serious objectors would ever accuse you of being a mouthpiece for Satan. That's as critical as it gets, brother.
@@doulos9828 Exactly. I simply think Jason is in error on soteriology. Some commenters on my videos have said they believe Jason isn't a believer. I've defended Jason from such accusations, saying I won't cast him out of the kingdom. Perhaps I shouldn't expect a similar defense here.
@@doulos9828 Jean Cauvin should've been a pretzel maker but he chose the path of many empty words of a lawyer and humanism. So he used his skills to twist words instead of dough. Anyone who demands a government to declare him to be The One & Only Voice of God on Earth... AND demand same govt to declare his words and writings the same as Holy Writ,, is a man to flee from, flee with the wind. Even more astounding would be a government that would grant these demands to such an ultra narcissistic egomaniac, then turn them into law and enforce them by the sword. Just like Rome. Calvinism is the product of Jean Cauvin's evil heart and peacock pride, a mirror image of his dark soul. There was a spirit in Geneva but not the Holy Spirit. I'm still waiting to hear what verse Jesus commanded His followers to have their own personal torturers and torture dungeon.
@@Baltic_Hammer6162 whether any of that is true or not doesn't change one thing about the biblical foundation of the doctrines of grace. I'm reformed because I'm a biblicist not because of John Calvin. Thanks for sharing your opinions on Calvin and Geneva though.
@@doulos9828 The biblical foundation for “ doctrines of grace” come from the satan. Aug Gnostics , semi gnostics are quite deceived . Hopefully you’ll see the light if you’re willing.
It concerns more the tension between a religious spirit against Gods Spirit than a ‘critical spirit’. For those who are solely depending on their intellect (flesh, many ‘theologians’) this is a major threat. (Romans 8:14)
It's crazy the level of "specks" these people are willing to go to seek and find is nuts. Calvinists are happy to look over James White's arrogant demeanor in debates for the last two decades, but when you want to criticize Calvinism, you better make sure that you have all of your references correct, and your video titles better not be too exciting! 🙄 This is ridiculous. Talk about biting and devouring each other.
A couple of things. I'm a crafter and I see many many videos teaching the same techniques. Yeah, sometimes they say where they got it from, and sometimes it's "I saw this on Suzi's channel, but she got it from Heidi, who learned it from Bobbi, etc." And if you look at each channel, some are clearer, some are too long, some add a twist to it, but it is still the same fold or stitching. And I know that if I ever did videos I couldn't remember where I learned half of the things I'd show.
Interesting point at 24:35, I would agree that there's going to be a risk of 'discernment ministries' becoming overly critical, but I believe walking that line is doable via prayer and discernment, and I personally am thankful for certain TH-cam channels who call out professing Christians who affirm various lifestyles that are clearly an abomination to the Lord. So, personally I am thankful for strong voices speaking out against such things, because right now the spiritual warfare is going on in the mind, and the enemy wants Christians to be confused. Last point here is that loving ministries have a similar snare to be ware of, just on the opposite end of the pendulum - they run the risk of idolizing acceptance and inclusivity and not standing up against sinful ways of life that. The unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God (2 Cor 6)
You are not wrong about the subject That is why I am questioning reformers, it is a very proud camp, specially the teachers. And I am guilty of the same thing, I am right you are wrong. I read all the puritan books and I became proud about it. It is an intellectual fruit that cones out of this teaching, whatever is the truth or not May God help us to see ourselves first and see the fruit of any teaching to see if impact us with transformation of love or proudness
This reformed pilgrim guy is behaving like a poorly raised kid . He acts almost as much like a kid as rogue calvinist does . They leave their character in question . I hope it's just growing pains they're going through , a phase as it were . Isn't he the coward that deleted your video ?
I commented on rogue calvanists channel all he did was character attack me when I actually wanted a talk over some Biblical texts that disagreed with calvin. He wanted nothing to do with me a brother in christ who just wanted an honest discussion. Then he deleted all mine and another's comments all 50+ of them. All I can do is pray for him now!
@jameswilson9361 Trust me brother , I can relate to what you're saying . I'm not saying woh is and isn't saved but it's just hard for me personally to believe that people who act that deceptive and flat out unkind are truly indwelled by THE SPIRIT OF GOD. Also, you're right in saying we should pray for them like we would anyone else who thinks they're worshipping GOD in the correct manner when it's obvious that they're not . GOD bless
Me and some friends of mine had a debate with some Calvinists when they had nothing more to come at us with ie Bible verses... they ended up with attacking our character, telling us we were not ordained ministers and such, going back to do calvinist original Roots which was Catholicism.🤦♂️
Attacking someone's character is a self defense mechanism because they themselves are convicted; it's a projection of self awareness. They have an unhealthy perception of themselves.
@@polskigirl8547 There was a time when I didn't know what that phrase meant. And because it is rarely that I heard it, I would forget why it was used. I had to look it up in order to see what it meant before replying. So there you go.
Hey Jason, I wanted to leave a comment on your video. As usual, I think you do a great job. You are a wonderful example as a Christian - you are calm, loving, focused on scripture, and I can tell you certainly have a heart for God. I certainly agree that Calvinism can lead to a critical spirit, and as you mentioned, this is not exclusive to simply Calvinism. I do think, because of their focus on determinism and election versus their understanding of 'reprobate', there certainly is a relationship between Calvinism and how it might develop into this critical spirit. That being said - the examples that you bring forth of the 'Critical Spirit', to me, don't seem to really show what you are talking about. Your primary complaint with Reformed Pilgrim seems to be: that he made a video about you, asking you to self reflect. His tone was calm. He defends accusations against you of plagiarism. He even states multiple times that he is not accusing you of anything. And yet, you use it as an example of having a 'critical spirit' - why exactly? Certainly he believes you *may be* in error, and yes, it does seem to be regarding things that seem a bit trivial. But, honestly, how could he criticize you in a more kind and gracious manner? Criticism is not bad! He could have come privately - but you did not sin against him personally. Chances are, you may not have even read it if he did criticize you privately! But in the same manner, you too could have gone to him privately! But you make a public video. It seems like to me that you yourself have the same spirit you are criticising him over, my friend. And you seem to recognize this in the video. To be clear: I don't think that he is in the wrong to make the video, and I don't think that you are in the wrong to make the video either. But what is being criticized with Reformed Pilgrim is unclear. Are you criticizing his criticism of you simply because he thinks you are in error? Or was there something in his conduct that was ungodly? My brother, this seems like exactly the kind of criticism and pushback we need and should encourage! God bless you brother - I pray that the Lord keeps you and encourages you.
I will not attempt to speak for Jason, but I would like to express my issue with what Reformed Pilgrim did. What Mr. Pilgrim did was preface his statement with "I am not accusing you of plagiarism "...then strongly insinuate that he was using someone else's work without attribution. He says he doesn't know if Jason is trying to make money with his channel, then points him to some channel about not profiting from the gospel. Only someone who doesn't want to see what he's doing here can miss it. These were not even subtle disparaging comments on Jason's character. There is no need for Jason to give attribution for every thought he expenses, nor is it wrong for him to sell merchandise on his channel if he so chooses. Mr. Pilgrim also seems to be operating under a double standard, since it is very doubtful that he has any issues with Calvinist icon John MacArthur selling study Bibles with his name on them, or having endorsement agreements for Bible translations ( first the ESV, then the NASB, now the LSB were all the best English translation). There is no issue with disagreement, with being critical of positions or beliefs...but Mr. Pilgrim went beyond that and made VERY thinly veiled negative comments about Jason's character and integrity. And that's a problem.
@@ericedwards5034 I agree completely that Reformed Pilgrim was addressing something that he sees as an issue with Jason! The question that I have is, other than coming to him privately, how could he have communicated it better? Is it sin to express concern when you feel a brother is wavering on something you think is important? I do not believe it was Reformed Pilgrim's intent to malign, tear-down, or destroy Jason in any way. Rather, I find his intent to be to *build-up* Jason, with intent to correct Jason. Now, I have disagreements on the specifics of Reformed Pilgrim's comments (I have no complaints with Jason) - but I do not think Reformed Pilgrim's heart was malicious. Do you? Let me ask you a question: Other than speaking privately with Jason, how could have Reformed Pilgrim have expressed his concern in a more loving and kind manner? How could he have been more Christ-like? How would you tell a brother you have concerns?
@@NarikkuThank you for your even-handed treatment of my approach. Your impression of my intent actually reflects my intent; it’s what I had in mind all along.
@@reformedpilgrim I'm glad to see that. I hope that Jason comes to see that as well. God bless - I appreciate your desire and zeal for the Lord, as well as your approach! Please, keep doing what you do!
I have just started this video but I wonder if you’ll mention Lordship Salvation which JMac also believes. Coming from being under Masters taught pastors, it seems to be cause the critical spirit most
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I’m praying for you to be strong in honesty talking about these things, and recognizing some dishonest responses. We all aren’t professionals here and can be misunderstood and clarify ours selfs No shame🙏
I just thought of this since I did send you a loving e-mail @ a month ago to say I was worried about who you "hitch your wagon to". Do you think that Warrens satire videos are loving? Or as I believe, they have nothing whatsoever to do with loving others. When I read comments under them and see Leighton replaying them I find it laughable to see a anti calvinist discuss this seriously. To then follow your own advice to calvinisist's who are dealing with this issue with a " critical spirit" , you should do a video series on Warrens treatment of others. It is a lie to say that this attitude is predominantly from one side.
Dave, calvinisms exposed more everyday. I’d like to see Warren post several videos every week. A calvinist asking about “ loving??” Thanks for the laugh Dave.
@@davevandervelde4799 Indeed Dave. You’ve another gospel. There is no good news in calvinism reformed theology. Aug-Gnostic wellspring post biblical writings. Simply another religious system leeching from the scriptures. Way past time reformers/ calvinists are exposed Sola de cultist click.
sorry you did experience something like this, it's shocking... (58:00) what a shameful arrogance... this is awfully cringey in so many ways... it reminds me of certain other Calvinists... it's like a virus, sad to say...
I love what you are doing, but I think you are being a tad too gentle with their criticisms. After all, your whole video is about the critical spirit. My in-laws became Calvinists, and I have noticed only-increasing mean-spirited rhetoric coming from them. They pick and pick and get on something and I finally have to say I am not going to discuss that with you anymore. Sometimes even that does not work and I just have to let them say it even though I have told them repeatedly I do not agree with that. Their response is sometimes I just don't like it. Whatever. It is not that I don't like it, although I do not, but not because I fear it is correct but because it is frightening that they actually believe it. That "I have the market cornered on 'truth' and I am going to browbeat you with it" attitude is a big reason people get turned off by "church people."
False doctrine is not from God. Therefore , it does not get help from "THE HELPER" whom was sent to lead us into all truth. So which spirit do you think is behind it (👿 Hi folks remember me...Hath God indeed said? Surely Luke 9:56, John 3:17, Romans 5:18 & Acts 17:26-31 can't mean what they say?)
@@rogervincent2092 Ok? Anyone can make the argument against another, or another teaching/doctrine. That doesn't necessarily make their position true or biblical. Unfortunately, Oneness/Anti-trinitarianism is a thing & a good example. It's not only counterintuitive to scripture, it makes Jesus a psychotic schizophrenic!! He prays to Himself in the Garden of Gethsemane to keep Himself from going to the cross. Then when on the cross, He crys out to Himself, to save Himself???
@@mikelyons2831 Congratulations! Now you know what a Calvinist feels like when he or she thinks they hear a teaching that makes God look weak, miserly and not all powerful
@@rogervincent2092 Unfortunately, they think & feel that from consenting to Calvinism's erroneous falicies. Calvinism is a false gospel that preys on the under-discipled. 👿 "Don't you believe God is sovereign? Therefore, God has to irresistibly coerce/force an arbitrary some to turn to Him & condemn the rest for His egoic glory." Scripture : God is so sovereign, he can instruct a volitional Prophet to go tell a people to repent (because He's not willing any should perish, but rather wants all to come to repentance). The volitional free thinking Prophet rebels, so the Omnipotent God of scripture prepares a fish to get the disobedient Prophet to the beachhead He wanted'm to go to... to tell a Pagan people He loves to repent & turn to Him. God's foreknowledge of all events, does not make Him the causal agent of all events (see Jeremiah 19:5 for one of many examples). Calvinists epitomize succumbing to "Hath God indeed said?" Look up the passages I listed in my earlier comment. What are you going to believe? Scripture in context or Calvin's Institutes?
It should not be surprising that Calvinistic doctrines lead to these kinds of issues. Gnostic rooted belief systems seem to always bring out the holier than thou, exclusionary behaviours. I guess when the original seed was greek philosophy with a splash of Augustinian 'knosis' fertilizer then you end up with the calvinist thorny weed.... I mean tulip.
Jason, you are doing fine in dealing with the difficult situation. I don't think the Calvinists you deal with on internet have a real credibility. The first step towards credibility is to reveal your real name.
If one presents an argument, his identity is irrelevant; it only matters whether or not the argument is sound. If one is presenting only an opinion, his identity is still irrelevant.
@@rogervincent2092it may be a secondary issue, but I have seen people become depressed, suicidal, or walk away from the faith because of Calvinism. This is why I find it important to speak out against this doctrine.
@chrispedayo That is not Calvinism. That is the individual. I have seen non Calvinist focus more on God's wrath than God's love, which can produce spiritual emptiness, lack of joy, etc...or non Calvinist who put way too much emphasis on eschatology. Do we get rid of the wrath of God doctrine or stop teaching about the end times? I am neither depressed nor suicidal and God used Calvinism to bring me back to the faith. How do you explain me?
@chrispedayo People walked away from the faith because they didn't like the church's views on homosexuality. Should we re-evaluate our views on whether homosexuality is a sin? We gotta think better than this
@@rogervincent2092 do you represent every Calvinist believer? If not, then you can't speak for everyone and can't be dismissive of the people who had a bad experience with it.
I can see watching a video and saying with the help of the person’s video. But maybe too much attention to the Christian that said it before, could be a problem too?
The Calvinist dude is accusatory of your character and motives, all the while denying what he is doing. His dishonesty is plainly on display. My advice to you is to quit being so accommodating for such dishonest discourse. He's got you on the back foot, which is exactly where he wants you.
Good point. What you refer to as dishonest discourse maps, in my mind, to the fact that the only time the noun "debate" appears in NT is at the end of Romans 1 along with a bunch of really bad stuff.
Some unlearned arminians, provisionists also insult calvinists of believing in doctrines of demons, that we are unsaved. So what are you trying to accomplish in this video?
I hope you feel better soon. I still love you, brother, and I will likely still continue to say things you don't like or ask questions you perceive as attacking your character. But it's done in love, man. I sent you an email, since you asked. I can't seem to find where the Selling Jesus channel mentions premium Bibles specifically. I truly thought I heard it when I made that video. It might be my own conscience; I might be tempted to covet them. (From a free-market perspective, I don't think there's anything wrong with a premium Bible.)
Your condescending attitude is very easy to discern. If you say it in smooth tones doesn't make it any less condescending. Pretty much a standard Calvinist word game.
Wow! I appreciate the video, but you are thumbnail title. Suggest that you are naming and calling out a demonic, force, and or stronghold! I pray the blood of Jesus Christ over you and your ministry and your videos and your household. In Jesus name I pray amen. Be careful man!that junk is for real! I really like your content by the way. Good job.
I've found that those who are most particular about about having the correct and precise "order of salvation" are almost always the multiple degreed Theologians. For the remaining 99.9 of the brothers and sisters in Chris"t, except of the kooky super duper "word of faith folks, God is Soverign, we are responsible for our actions and beliefs and we must repent and believe in Christ (believe in your heart and confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord) and then walk in love and obedience to the Lord. It seems the Calvanists [typically amongst the multiple degreed crowd] have gone too far in their belief on the sovereignty of God-as if God, in His sovereignty cannot choose to allow humans to legitimately make decisions whether to choose to believe in Jesus, but to be fair, some non-Calvonists downplay the sovereignty of God a bit too much.
Ugh. This guy is typical arrogant Calvinist. Your video did help me to read Ephesians in a more authentic way instead of just putting preheard interpretations. And I don't mean you came to my house and helped me, in case someone misunderstands.
I am sorry, but I am having a difficult time seeing how Calvinism creates a critical spirit as opposed to any other soteriological system? Why would you make this about Calvinism? It seems to me you are using this 'critical spirit' to criticize rogue Calvinist in a passively aggressive manner?
You can't be serious . He explained very humbly why . Even calvinist leaders address this topic quite often because it's a characteristic regularly observed within the calvinist community. Of course there's critical spirits everywhere, but not like one sees within the calvinist community. In almost every encounter i experience with calvinists , they attack the person instead of the doctrine they disagree with . One should always attack wring doctrine , not the person and this is where calvinists fail miserably from my own experience. It's the very spirit of the doctrine itself that causes such behavior in my opinion.
I know loving, humble Calvinists. I'm not one myself. However I believe Calvinist doctrine does attract people and can lend itself to be overly intellectual and promote a deceptive pride.
@@cecilspurlockjr.9421 "Of course there's critical spirits everywhere, but not like one sees within the calvinist community" Yes, I am serious, and you are no different to make such an inconsistent claim. You are blinded to your own inconsistency due to your abhorrence of Calvinism and conflating Calvinism with Calvinists. If anything your response perfectly demonstrates why videos like this is NOT needed and does not edify the body of Christ.
@@yvonnehedeker3441 I AGREE! but so can any Theological system. I have seen apostate videos make the same claim, that when they stopped being a "Christian", they stopped being overly critical of others. How is this video any different?
As loving and kindly as I can say this, Jason, your feelings are NOT the gospel. 2 Corinthians 2:15-16 KJV - For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: 16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?
I am glad to see that you now accept 2 Timothy 2:24-26 as being important and vital to God granting someone repentance. You are right to say that Jason's feelings are not the gospel! Neither are yours, my friend! What about what Jason said makes you think he disagrees with the passage you quoted?
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I have a son who is a Calvinist as he married into that belief system. We love him and his wife but they simply cannot find any respect for us or simple kindness. We do not see them nor the grandchildren as a result. It's very painful. We have tried to talk about things but they refuse to dialogue. It's almost like the goal is separation. We will be leaving soon to move overseas, and the thought that we may possibly not see them again on this earth is difficult, but we trust our Father's work in all of our lives.
So sorry to hear. Praying for your family.
Praying for your family as well🙏
Yes! Im glad you brought up Alana. (I love that you and your wife are friends with her!) I think she is terrific and has a valuable testimony. When I first heard that clip from MacArthur, I was horrified. I've heard him make arrogant statements before, but this one was so cringeworthy and disappointing. I was angry on Alana's behalf. How dare He talk about a sister in Christ in such a dismissive and condescending way. I know plenty of other scholarly believers who have studied the Word for fifty plus years and wholeheartedly believe Calvinism to be a false doctrine. I have come to the same conclusion. But what do I know? I'm just a wistful girl of 54 who has walked with the Lord for a mere 46 years. 😊 I also disagree with MacArthur on the pre-Trib rapture. 🤷 Maybe I should just keep my thoughts to myself.
No, sister. You should keep speaking the truth. Calvinism and Pre-Trib Rapture are rotting the church from within.
@@duskacornwell5932 share your thoughts! Christianity is not about shutting down our logic or silencing whole groups of people
My first encounter with several Calvinists was on a Mike Winger video regarding Calvinism. The attacks were far from the reaction one would think represents the fruit of the Spirit. I was surprised by the lack of civility and maturity. Of course, I don’t think everyone that believes their doctrines behaves that way, but it sure wasn’t a good representation of how believers should behave. I’ve also seen many comments on Leighton Flowers Soteriology 101 channel. Often see people very rude and often angry.
It’s much worse on Twitter, they’re very aggressive (even for the platform)
Hey brother, I'm not a Calvinist but this message (I'm only 7 minutes in) is really speaking to me. I think sometimes it's the trap of trying to be obedient and knowledgable of God's word, that I start to judge professing Christians based on how they act / live. It's being overly critical and shutting my love down. Appreciate the biblical reminder that we are to love the brethren and our neighbors. Feel better soon, God bless you all
Jason, in my opinion one needs nerves of steel and a very thick skin in order to confront the erros of Calvinism online. I greatly admire those who can do it but I know I never could. The hardcore Calvinists I know believe 100% that they have ‘the true gospel’ so will fight against opposing views with every breath they take. Perhaps you’re just too kind and gentle to tackle this horrible doctrine? I don’t know but I certainly wish you well in your every endeavour. Have a blessed Christmas! 🙏🏻🕊️❤️
IFB is another example and you can never ever, ever question the one man that is the supreme authority over all - the pastor. If you do then you are labelled a rebel and you end up finding yourself blindsided by the rest and next thing before you realise you are set up to be excommunicated. Honestly, church buildings have done a great deal of damage in so many ways and I honestly think the Church is going to go back to gathering in houses very soon.
Hey brother Jason!
I just want to tell you that you have a kind and gentle spirit that Exercises knowledge of the scriptures in a loving way. If anyone that calls himself a believer can’t figure that out, they need to reevaluate their thinking.
You are a blessing to many people in many ways. Be encouraged brother. Gods is raising you in this platform.
Be of good cheer. When you walk in the counsel of the Lord, there will always be opposition.
Thank you brother for your encouragement!
"No one can disprove the doctrine I have expounded except he who pretends to be wiser than the Spirit of God" - John Calvin, Concerning the Eternal Predestination of God, p.161
Explains so much of the Critical Calvinist spirit.
John Calvin ignored the old testament.
@@melenoal He preached on Job for 40 years. He loved the OT.
I pray you aren’t discouraged when people are critical. Your video explaining Ephesians 1 was the first time I had ever heard the idea that Paul was speaking of the Apostles. It makes sense that other people came to that conclusion before you, and truthfully I’d be pretty skeptical of the idea if no one did, but you were the first one that I heard it from so your title to your video wasn’t just “marketing”. It was warranted. Don’t grow weary in well doing. I appreciate your content. Keep going strong! 🙏
Paul isn't speaking to the apostles, man. C'mon. Breda's entire thing is to disprove calvinism, not to teach biblical truth. Anything to get rid of election and predestination! If Ephesians 1 is the apostles only and not all believers, then that is extremely depressing and not good news at all. They just want to attack every part of the bible that talks about election and make it say that it applies to jews only or the apostles, not us gentiles. It's sad. But hey, anything to disprove calvinism amirite?
It seems to me that some Calvinists have a critical spirit because some equate their system with the gospel itself.
most of them do, even if they won't say it up front. I have a great love for Calvinists, and have been GREATLY impacted by Calvinist preaching. But the facial expressions and reaction of most Calvinists when you tell them you're saved but not Calvinist, is one of doubt and disinterest in your thoughts on theology. In my personal experience this has been extremely consistent. The idea of being elected to salvation for obvious reasons can cause pride.
@@TheAugustBurnsRedFan In essence I believe Calvinists teachers prefer to trust ‘election’ because of their lack of revelation, understanding and experience concerning actual (how) being born again. (Acts 2:36-41)
@@glennishammont7414 There is no act of "revelation" now, we already have it in the scriptures, and they know actual (how) being born again. Your assumption by pointing out Acts 2 is that men can believe and be baptized by their own doing and desires, which is just flat out false. In Fact, Christ says in John 3:8 being born of the Spirit (regeneration/born again) is like the wind. You have no idea where it's going, when it's coming, etc. The reason why people hate Calvinism is because it destroys man's pride and their ability to be in control. You can't make yourself be born again, it's entirely a work of God, and those who repent, believe, and get baptized do so because they were regenerated, it all happens at the same time. You can't choose good if you love evil, your heart is wicked and deceitful above all things, and your thoughts are evil continuously, as stated so many times in the Bible. Man loves his self-autonomy.
@@KnightFel
What the scriptures tell us.
1 - The work of Gods Spirit is to convict of sin, righteousness and judgement (John 16:8)
2 - Conviction makes repentance possible (Acts 2:37-41)
3 - Salvation is conditional upon, being willing to obey by believing, repenting and being baptised. (Acts 2:37-41)
4 - * The Lord * (!!!!!) is willing to regenerate those who are willing to meet those conditions. (John 1:12)
5 - God does not want ANYONE to perish.
Not biblical:
- Unconditional election. (Makes the Gospel message void)
- Regeneration preceding faith. (Excuse for NOT being regenerated, it is only an assumption) (crucial error within Calvinism)
- Irresistible grace. (Grace is not irresistible. (Acts 7:51))
Not any born again believer makes the absurd claim that being born again was his own doing.
The reason people trust Calvinism, is to avoid any form of accountability or to have the excuse for the actual absence of His presence or involvement of His Spirit in their life. They don't need revelation, in order to be able to continue in their own flesh, they believe only scripture is sufficient. That is the reason the scriptures tells us, the letter kills but the Spirit gives life, not by might, nor by power but by My Spirit. Without Me you cannot do anything (John 15), The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. etc.
@@KnightFel Quote: - The reason why people hate Calvinism is because it destroys man's pride and their ability to be in control. You can't make yourself be born again - this is a complete insane insinuation. OF COURSE GOD is the one who generates, but he also sets the conditions for doing so.
The Gospel is a conditional message.
The Spirit convicts of sin, righteousness and judgement.
After this we need to respond. (repent, put our faith in God, be baptised)
We can reject this offer of salvation.
Those who genuinely accept and respond to the Gospel (judged by God) will be regenerated by God. (John 1:12)
Regeneration preceding faith could be a fatal heresy.
Yes, We need the Gospel, we need the scriptures and we absolutely need the actual guidance of His Spirit.
Salvation does have three stages, the initial, continuous life matured by His Spirit (sanctification), Definite salvation, (Glorification). So limiting it to a one time moment is a dangerous presupposition.
This negative attitude is something that runs in my family, who, except for me, remain Calvinist. I’m well aware of it and strive continuously to not be this way, with the help of my husband, who has cured me of a lot of these tendencies in the past. I think it’s because Reformed religion focuses so much on the sinfulness of man, and the judgment of God, and the law, and they don’t speak enough about God’s love and how He wants all people to be saved. In their system, there’s no way to know for sure how to be saved, and if you really are. I have relatives who died, who just hoped they were, didn’t know for sure.
Sorry to hear Janet. Thankful for your husbands help!
Calvinism DOES NOT include love, mercy, justice, fellowship, a true relationship with God, etc x 10000 Why?? Because Jean Cauvin made a religion that is a mirror image of his own corrupt, super narcissist, ignorant, vindictive and murderous heart. Every aspect of Calvinism is straight from his cold dark heart. He had a spirit there and it was not the Holy Spirit.
I guess your relatives didn't understand reformed theology. It's not a religion, it's Christianity. In the "reformed system", you do have assurance, it's THE strongest assurance. If you repented and trusted in Christ Jesus, you are saved. This cannot be done apart from God's grace. I mean, that's it. There is no one who is actually reformed who really trusts in Christ and not themselves and just hopes they are elect, that is not how it works, although it seems most people's understanding of Calvinism on TH-cam is precisely this, which is totally false. And yes, there is a heavy focus on the sinfulness of man and the law of God because that is literally the heaviest focuses in the Bible. You cannot come to an understanding of the gospel or the incalculable love of God for His sheep unless you understand the severity of God's law upon man and how much man fails at it daily. You cannot preach the Holiness of God, nor the judgment of God, nor the law of God enough, you must do so. You must also preach the gospel equally. It must be law + gospel. The Bible doesn't say God is love love love, it says He's Holy, Holy, Holy, and He is to be feared and worshiped in reverenced and loved with all our minds and hearts. You also need to realize that God is not obligated to save anyone. That is a fact, otherwise it would cease to be mercy and grace, and rather an obligation. God saves ALL who repent and believe. There is no one in hell who can claim they honestly believed on Christ.
It does seem like those who embrace Calvinistic philosophy do seem to truly believe that control is the purest interpretation of scripture and the highest form of love. So it makes sense, that they would consider any kind of control as justified. The Bible tells us that love is the highest form of maturity(1 Cor 13), not control. We reflect the Cross, by giving Love through personal respect and also in truth that is free of self righteousness.
Calvinism teaches a lack of free will, but free will is the basis of genuine love because without it nobody can make a genuine choice.
It isn't possible for anyone to hit you with "you must not have been a real calvinist," because you have a great beard
Nobody thinks more of john macarthur than john macarthur and he continues to prove it on a regular basis . His arrogant pride is phenomenal.
Speaking of a critical spirit ☝️
@doulos9828
Obviously you don't know realize the context of the conversation going on here . I suppose that was critical as well huh ! Lol
@@cecilspurlockjr.9421 you're on every anti-Calvinist channel you can find spouting critical nonsense.
It's nothing new for you.
If you don't see the blatant hypocrisy in your post and the irony of it being in the comment section for this particular video, I'm really not surprised.
@doulos9828
Of course I'm critical of your false doctrine . Very seldom am I critical of tge person unless they behave like McArthur, White etc ....I attack the doctrine not the person because i love everyone of you very much . 😘
@@cecilspurlockjr.9421 there is nothing false about reformed theology. It is biblical theology that is God-centered, as opposed to the man-centered, free-will theology that Catholicism and people like yourself espouse which has no basis in sound biblical doctrine.
MacArthur and White are certainly not without their faults, but their soteriological position is solid and biblical.
Jason, I had an atheist professor once... in order to be humble, I told him that although I could be wrong about Christ, I was willing to be my life on him. Boy, he took that and ran with it! "Why would if bet my life on something that I could be wrong about?" Seems that this guy is doing the same to you. Humility is good, but be careful about who you are communicating with... some people will use your humility to humiliate you!
Interestingly enough, the professor is betting his eternal life on the fact that there isn't an Almighty God, while us followers In Christ gladly give up this life for our hope of eternity with Jesus (although we also know that obedience to God leads to a most blessed life here as well:)
Mockers hailed assaults at Jesus on the cross and His response was to ask the Father to forgive them. Mockers hate true revelation because it cannot be manipulated. Absolute truth can NEVER change, or be manipulated. This may feel humiliating at times, nevertheless love isn’t affected by humiliation. Psalm 1 is the pathway that prospers, in all of our ways(avoiding the influence of mockery), but courage in the face of loving others with truth is beautiful. I applaud you 👏👏👏
They have only humiliated themselves.
I really appreciate you being transparent about different understandings of Eph 1 that you’ve worked through. I’ve been studying it as well, and I’m currently in the “ all believers in Christ” interpretation. A slight difference I have is that the “spiritual” blessings are a more specific blessing that flow from the general blessing that God has blessed the world with by fulfilling his promise to Abraham. Peter references this in Acts 3:25-26.
It’s called gaslighting when people approach you that way without due cause❤️
"Jason, you didn't use the Giants of the Faith as a source, but I am not claiming you are plagiarizing." The irony is astounding.
Very nice presentation. The Proverbs verse was terrific. I’ve known some very sweet Calvinists, but I think that’s because they weren’t being consistent with its teachings.
Having the idea that God only loves those of a particular group that you belong to is obviously liable to lead one to be arrogant, and a critical spirit is just one of the symptoms of arrogance. Of course, arrogance is a problem for us all, but we don’t need a theological belief system which pushes us in that direction.
"Critical" is an adjective that describes a thoughtful and analytical approach, involving the use of judgement and discernment.
I think you should add the word "unjustly critical", "manipulative critique", or "deceptively proposed bias"
Yes.
To be fair to you, Jason. I asked you in the comments section of the community post to watch Mel Rupp's video if your going to make John 6 video and you said "yes, I already watched Mel Rupp and he's a big help" And you did acknowledged Mel Rupp in your video. So, I think that's enough, people can search for Mel Rupp. In the videos that I watched and in the pulpit as well, I do often hear pastors quoting people and they don't even put a link or Acknowledgement. I listen to one Pastor preaching the "order of salvation" from Wayne Gruden's Systematic Theology and he said that's what the Bible says and he did not even say at the pulpit that's what Wayne Gruden wrote in his book. That journey has led me to your video because the pastor said he does not even know what Calvinism is, he only heard it from me but in the footnote of Wayne Gruden's Order of salvation, Gruden said this is what Calvinists believes as the order of salvation--something like that.
"Responding to the critical spirit" may look more like "Responding to the Narcissist." In the manner of Jason's respondent, "I am not claiming that he is, but you should probably check out the tactics of a covert narcassist. That dude has a huge blind side and speaks in irony.
Calvinists do have a critical spirit. They find comfort in stressing that God glories in choosing most men for destruction before they're even born, and looks forward to that glorious day when He will toss the lost into the Lake of Fire. They scoff at those who believe His Word that He does not desire any man to perish, but to be saved (1Tim 2:4; 2Pet 3:9). Here is what the Word of God says to those perverse ideas:
Amos 5:18-20 NASB95
Alas, you who are longing for the day of the LORD, For what purpose will the day of the LORD be to you? It will be darkness and not light;
[19] As when a man flees from a lion And a bear meets him, Or goes home, leans his hand against the wall And a snake bites him.
[20] Will not the day of the LORD be darkness instead of light, Even gloom with no brightness in it?
That is not a critical spirit. That is YOU leading your interpretation of a critical spirit to disparage Calvinism. Furthermore, the video is about Calvinism, and you are criticizing Calvinists. Any by the way, you do not know all Calvinists to make such a broad accusation.
I don't consider anyone who doesn't believe all Calvin taught to be a Calvinist. I'm referencing true followers, not those who listen to MacArthur's meek and disguised Calvinism on Sundays . Most self-described Calvinists don't even know half of what he believed.
@TwoWhoAreOne I don't think that MacArthur is disguised. At the same time, MacArthur is not a high Calvinist like I am. It sounds like you have issues with Hyper Calvinists, as do I
So very sorry to hear what you've experienced. There are many of us out here who have experienced similar things. Regarding "merchandising" Jesus. Paul said this, "If we sowed spiritual things in you, is it too much if we should reap material things from you?" (1 Corinthians 9:11) and "So also the Lord directed those who proclaim the gospel to get their living from the gospel." (1 Corinthians 9:14) Scripture also states, "The one who is taught the word is to share all good things with the one who teaches him." (Galatians 6:6) There is more but notice that Paul says in the 1 Cor 9:14 passage about where this comes from....So also THE LORD DIRECTED those who proclaim the gospel TO GET THEIR LIVING FROM THE GOSPEL. (Note: upper case spelling is merely for emphasis and is not shouting) Particularly the Galatians 6:6 passage shows us what our attitude should be toward those who "teach." AND it is the introduction for Paul's thought when he states right after this, "DO NOT BE DECEIVED, God is not MOCKED; for whatever a MAN SOWS this he will also REAP." (Galatians 6:7) This is a subject that is rarely taught in church today.
This is just me, but I need to know that you love me before I will allow one to speak into my life. It needs to be someone who is invested in my life. I will take all things I hear to the Lord, but it doesn't mean I always receive it. I consider the source. The best that I've received has come from those that I know truly know me and love me. I also know how hard it was for them to willingly risk our relationship in order to speak "truth" into my life. I was also taught differently. The brother should have contacted you personally first. That is Scripture. We should never "desire" to have to do this. It shouldn't be something that we do on a regular basis. It is very serious to actually do this because Jesus has told us that our standard of judgment will be measured back to us (Matthew 7:2) I know that this has been incredibly painful for you and I pray that God heals your heart and that it won't have a negative impact on your ministry.
Amen. 'You must not muzzle an ox to keep it from eating as it treads out the grain.'
I honestly believe that people who pry as much as that person did into every detail regarding your video and then grossly enlarge the possible small issue into a major one are just simply looking to find character flaws in order to discredit your work in rightly dividing the word, so they will not feel convicted about rheir own position. I forget what the tactic is called but Andy Woods has mentioned it in his own videos concerning issues with calvinism. He specifically goes into John MacArthurs attacks on dispensationlists and even more specifically Charles Ryrie. Very interesting how the same type of spirit uses the same tactics against anyone pointing to another school of thought that differs from theirs. Sounds like the pharisees to me.
We have a new heart where Christ lives. We need to be renewed in the mind
Jason, you have no reason to feel the need to defend yourself for creative titles. 🤦🏻♂It's an admirable quality that you are wiling to 'self-reflect' ... but don't let it reach the point of a character flaw.... Your titles are not 'clikbait' and you've got the 'goods' none the less. The irony with "Reformed Pilgrim's" 56:29 offer to ....pray for you that you 'consider' all this... ?? "As if" his prayer would change anything is laughable , IMO🤔 For most Calvinists, consistency with the doctrine they have 'chosen' to believe is impossible to maintain on a daily basis.
I'm always amused when Calvinists, of any stripe, have an issue with "whatsoever God has unchangeably ordained in eternity past"... Seriously... complaining seems to be their favorite pastime.. and it shouldn't even be in their vocabulary.
John MacArthur is a very fortunate man to have been predestined by God to become so popular and $uccessful criticizing so many other things God has predestined. ... How lucky can one guy be? John Piper affirms every abortion is a manifestation of God's perfect will. Yet he would probably donate to stop them.
It seems like stating that Reformed Pilgrim might have been engaging in "double speak" could be a subtle way of judging his motives, perhaps similar to the subtle way you thought he was judging your motives by supposedly engaging in the "double speak" of which you spoke.
The devil has been twisting scripture from the beginning Who knows the mind of God but the Spirit of God? Look for the fruit of the Spirit of truth, there you will find truth. I remember when the Spirit gently corrected me that knowledge itself is not a fruit. Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness and temperance are the tell tale factors of whether I am walking in the Spirit toward all men. It was a humbling experience to examine myself accordingly and changed my spirituality trajectory.
There is a great book on this subject, written by a Calvinist FOR Calvinists on this very subject. It's called: Humble Calvinism: And if I Know the Five Points, But Have Not Love ...by J.A. Medders
Calvinists critical spirit comes out of “Pride”
25:00 - yes, I had to stop (or way reduce) my viewing of "discernment ministry" videos. I was playing them more than sermons or anything else, and I asked myself why - what was I getting out of them. When I realised it was to feel good about myself, because I've at least got _that_ figured out, I saw how shallow I was being. As an escape from the "you're not doing good enough" preaching, it was a reprieve and feel-good.
I think they're super valuable for people who are still trapped under the teaching of demon slayers and the prosperity gospel, but for me ... I barely even check in to see what's new, now. Most of their audience is "the choir" if you know what I mean
By 'critical spirit', I assume you mean an 'angry spirit'. Being 'critical' simply means 'discerning". I take your definition, but the word 'critical' does not necessarily connote or denote the definition you present. Nevertheless, keeping in mind how you defined 'critical', I can follow your logic.
Comment from someone read during video: "Calvinism has made me humble." Something about that sort of self-assessment is disturbing - maybe we shouldn't toot our own horn "and if you don't believe me then just ask me." I know, Calvinism is big on "not taking credit" and the commenter was not taking credit for his self-professed humility but giving his Calvinism the credit. But suppose it sounded like this:
I've embraced Calvinism and I hope you'll hear from friends, acquaintances and loved ones that humility is evident. If not, I have to reflect.
It also would distant the commenter from the virtue-signaling insinuation of "Calvinism makes me humble and the reason it's not more popular is pride on the part of the opposing side."
My experience is not so much that they are angry but that they seem to hold in their mind a sense of hubris and arrogance...ready at any moment to debate and demean your understanding of theology. Now having said that, I know many who are as humble as can be. I would love those humble leaders would speak up to their camp. I've actually heard some do that. Good on them.
Jason, I emailed you a counseling question. I couldn't find you in ACBC so I'm trying this way now. Thanks brother
Hey John, I got your email but haven’t responded yet due to a busy week and becoming sick. I will get back to you soon. My apologies for the wait.
@@GoodBerean no worries, I know you are very busy brother.
Poster child: J. White
Don’t forget Johnny mac
If no one should ever have a "critical spirit," how do we reprove? How do we do all manner of confrontations that God's word says we should do? Did Paul have a critical spirit when he publicly call Peter a hypocrite? It's the needless criticism with ill intent that's wrong!
I think it's ok to be critical to a point, this is how we all become good "Bereans." But not giving our brethren the benefit of the doubt, or assuming malice or malicious intent is when we see a critical spirit - one that doesn't 'trust all things' or 'hope all things' as we are called to do in love (1 Corinthians 13).
Criticism=/= critical spirit.
Critical spirit is a specific Christianesw term for a kind of assumed air of invincible superiority over someone you disagree with and their position. Such a person has to really struggle to find s good things to say bur can nit pick a book of criticism from a single sentence even if they haveto totally miss the point to do it.
Love informs a kind of constructive criticism that isn't superior like this.
I appreciate the thoughtfulness and caution you pit in all your responses. I'm looking forward to more content next year and your response to my email soon.
Thank God for you, Jason! This is so helpful. May God continue to use you to help the body of Christ to love one another ❤
Jason, I don't know this guy's motive, but it can be very condescending to say, "I'm really concerning about you!" "Please pray about this, "brother."" "I'm trying to help you!"
The words of his mouth were smoother than butter, but war was in his heart: His words were softer than oil, yet were they drawn swords.
It CAN be loving, but the tone here... it's dripping with superior condescension, especially after it's been established this is after a series of back and forth he dekeyed making his fresh video seem an isolated unaddressed thing when it isn't.
Also, dollars to donuts ge hasn't spent more than 20 seconds, once, "praying" for Jason.
If He clutched his pearls any harder he'd never have children again.
James White - the love of Christ does not restrain him! He should think about that!
I have a critical spirit. I ain’t no Calvinist. I think Calvinism may be the result of a demonic spirit
It was the word Never... That is an absolute statement.. Gives a different impression...
I and some others post memes on Facebook at MemeVangelists. One reason we choose to poke fun at Calvinism (rather than any of the other views we disagree with) is precisely because of the critical spirit we so often encounter. Who else so regularly accuses other Christians of being Pelagians, synergists, worship pagan goddess free will, think they can save themselves and thereby steal God's glory and credit for salvation, preach a different Gospel, are barely saved, etc?
There is a reason there are reformed churches and non reformed. Like all Christians, I have been to both. If I was attending a church that was teaching that the reason I am a Christian and believing that Christ is my Savoir is because "I " did this or " I " did that, then my wife and are leaving to find a church that teaches a biblical doctrine that I am a Christian because " God" did this and "God" did that. My faith is based on knowing that God loved me first and I am saved despite me. That in no way negates what I have done or makes me not culpable for my actions.
I will always explain this truth as does the church I attend. I have been blessed to have been brought there by God's providence.
Gods Word is a dividing Word. It will, by nature, force us to choose what we believe it is teaching when presented with it. I am grateful for the many men who have gone before us and have articulated it. We will have to decide who did that most accurately. The confessions that have been written over the centuries are helpful in helping us state what we believe.
It is sad that there are those who are committed to destroying past and present theologians who have been used by God to recover the true gospel from an apostate church. A church that taught that God is saving men who have the "will" to do what is right in Gods eyes. It seems many people like that idea very much and the struggle in the true church is always having to be teaching men that their "will" is in bondage. It is actually mans sinful nature itself, ironically, that does not want to accept that God had to change our nature first to give us the eyes to see our greatest need.
Individual sinful actions by men does not change truth. Our experience, our reason, our feelings and our failure to be living up to the bibles standard of obedience has never changed what God has done or is doing. That is , saving a people for Himself.
You are saved because you “believed”. Romans 10:9-10
@@polskigirl8547 Keep reading all through 10 and into chapter 11.
11:7 What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened.
1 Thessalonians 1: 2-5a We give thanks to God always for all of you, constantly mentioning you in our prayers, remembering before our God and Father your work of faith and labor of love and steadfastness of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ. For we know, brothers love by God, that he has chosen you because our gospel came to you not only in word, but also in power and in the Holy spirit and with full conviction.
Yes, you are saved because you believed. And you believed because you were elect by God to believe.
@@davevandervelde4799 Wrong for your Calvinism belief system…..I do not believe it….at once I did…but God showed me that he is no respecter of persons according to scripture….conditions yes as in Romans 19:9-10…..the condition for salvation is believing….
The Calvinistic belief system is nothing but conveluted logic…..it is a cult…they worship traditions of men and is patristic in nature….put men on pedestals like your boy Johnny Mac….
He teaches you can take the mark of the beast and still be saved…he teaches the blood atonement of Jesus is nothing….just a bleeding man……
@@davevandervelde4799
No! It's because you choose to believe, after hearing the word of God.
Salvation is a co-op (us doing God's will for us) and partaking in the divine nature of Jesus Christ. Having his name (character) written in our foreheads.
@@larrybedouin2921
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Just a constructive observation. This is the first time I've seen or heard you talking. One thing you need to really squelch is the no-stop apologizing to Calvinists before bringing out the topic. There is nothing to apologize for, but there MORE than enough reasons to flee the dark deception and trap of Satan.
_"...dark deception and trap of Satan"_ comment gets a ❤ from Jason. Wow.
Jason, there can be nothing more exemplary of a critical spirit than for you to align yourself in agreement with someone who would make such a false and derogatory statement about reformed theology.
People like myself who disagree with some of your soteriological/ theological views might say that you are wrong or misguided; but I highly doubt that any of your serious objectors would ever accuse you of being a mouthpiece for Satan.
That's as critical as it gets, brother.
@@doulos9828 Exactly. I simply think Jason is in error on soteriology. Some commenters on my videos have said they believe Jason isn't a believer. I've defended Jason from such accusations, saying I won't cast him out of the kingdom. Perhaps I shouldn't expect a similar defense here.
@@doulos9828 Jean Cauvin should've been a pretzel maker but he chose the path of many empty words of a lawyer and humanism. So he used his skills to twist words instead of dough.
Anyone who demands a government to declare him to be The One & Only Voice of God on Earth... AND demand same govt to declare his words and writings the same as Holy Writ,, is a man to flee from, flee with the wind.
Even more astounding would be a government that would grant these demands to such an ultra narcissistic egomaniac, then turn them into law and enforce them by the sword. Just like Rome.
Calvinism is the product of Jean Cauvin's evil heart and peacock pride, a mirror image of his dark soul. There was a spirit in Geneva but not the Holy Spirit.
I'm still waiting to hear what verse Jesus commanded His followers to have their own personal torturers and torture dungeon.
@@Baltic_Hammer6162 whether any of that is true or not doesn't change one thing about the biblical foundation of the doctrines of grace.
I'm reformed because I'm a biblicist not because of John Calvin.
Thanks for sharing your opinions on Calvin and Geneva though.
@@doulos9828 The biblical foundation for “ doctrines of grace” come from the satan.
Aug Gnostics , semi gnostics are quite deceived .
Hopefully you’ll see the light if you’re willing.
It concerns more the tension between a religious spirit against Gods Spirit than a ‘critical spirit’. For those who are solely depending on their intellect (flesh, many ‘theologians’) this is a major threat. (Romans 8:14)
It's crazy the level of "specks" these people are willing to go to seek and find is nuts. Calvinists are happy to look over James White's arrogant demeanor in debates for the last two decades, but when you want to criticize Calvinism, you better make sure that you have all of your references correct, and your video titles better not be too exciting! 🙄 This is ridiculous. Talk about biting and devouring each other.
A couple of things. I'm a crafter and I see many many videos teaching the same techniques. Yeah, sometimes they say where they got it from, and sometimes it's "I saw this on Suzi's channel, but she got it from Heidi, who learned it from Bobbi, etc." And if you look at each channel, some are clearer, some are too long, some add a twist to it, but it is still the same fold or stitching. And I know that if I ever did videos I couldn't remember where I learned half of the things I'd show.
Interesting point at 24:35, I would agree that there's going to be a risk of 'discernment ministries' becoming overly critical, but I believe walking that line is doable via prayer and discernment, and I personally am thankful for certain TH-cam channels who call out professing Christians who affirm various lifestyles that are clearly an abomination to the Lord. So, personally I am thankful for strong voices speaking out against such things, because right now the spiritual warfare is going on in the mind, and the enemy wants Christians to be confused. Last point here is that loving ministries have a similar snare to be ware of, just on the opposite end of the pendulum - they run the risk of idolizing acceptance and inclusivity and not standing up against sinful ways of life that. The unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God (2 Cor 6)
Very gracious and well done response , and instructive to us all
You are not wrong about the subject
That is why I am questioning reformers, it is a very proud camp, specially the teachers.
And I am guilty of the same thing, I am right you are wrong.
I read all the puritan books and I became proud about it.
It is an intellectual fruit that cones out of this teaching, whatever is the truth or not
May God help us to see ourselves first and see the fruit of any teaching to see if impact us with transformation of love or proudness
This reformed pilgrim guy is behaving like a poorly raised kid . He acts almost as much like a kid as rogue calvinist does . They leave their character in question . I hope it's just growing pains they're going through , a phase as it were . Isn't he the coward that deleted your video ?
I commented on rogue calvanists channel all he did was character attack me when I actually wanted a talk over some Biblical texts that disagreed with calvin. He wanted nothing to do with me a brother in christ who just wanted an honest discussion. Then he deleted all mine and another's comments all 50+ of them. All I can do is pray for him now!
@jameswilson9361
Trust me brother , I can relate to what you're saying . I'm not saying woh is and isn't saved but it's just hard for me personally to believe that people who act that deceptive and flat out unkind are truly indwelled by THE SPIRIT OF GOD. Also, you're right in saying we should pray for them like we would anyone else who thinks they're worshipping GOD in the correct manner when it's obvious that they're not .
GOD bless
You need to address the rebellious spirit in you against God's word.
Me and some friends of mine had a debate with some Calvinists when they had nothing more to come at us with ie Bible verses... they ended up with attacking our character, telling us we were not ordained ministers and such,
going back to do calvinist original Roots which was Catholicism.🤦♂️
Attacking someone's character is a self defense mechanism because they themselves are convicted; it's a projection of self awareness. They have an unhealthy perception of themselves.
@@Eddie33154it’s called “ad hominem”
@@polskigirl8547
Not everyone knows Latin.
Thank you.
@@Eddie33154 you dont need to know latin for this common phrase...
@@polskigirl8547
There was a time when I didn't know what that phrase meant. And because it is rarely that I heard it, I would forget why it was used. I had to look it up in order to see what it meant before replying.
So there you go.
Hey Jason, I wanted to leave a comment on your video. As usual, I think you do a great job. You are a wonderful example as a Christian - you are calm, loving, focused on scripture, and I can tell you certainly have a heart for God.
I certainly agree that Calvinism can lead to a critical spirit, and as you mentioned, this is not exclusive to simply Calvinism. I do think, because of their focus on determinism and election versus their understanding of 'reprobate', there certainly is a relationship between Calvinism and how it might develop into this critical spirit.
That being said - the examples that you bring forth of the 'Critical Spirit', to me, don't seem to really show what you are talking about.
Your primary complaint with Reformed Pilgrim seems to be: that he made a video about you, asking you to self reflect.
His tone was calm. He defends accusations against you of plagiarism. He even states multiple times that he is not accusing you of anything. And yet, you use it as an example of having a 'critical spirit' - why exactly?
Certainly he believes you *may be* in error, and yes, it does seem to be regarding things that seem a bit trivial. But, honestly, how could he criticize you in a more kind and gracious manner? Criticism is not bad!
He could have come privately - but you did not sin against him personally. Chances are, you may not have even read it if he did criticize you privately! But in the same manner, you too could have gone to him privately! But you make a public video.
It seems like to me that you yourself have the same spirit you are criticising him over, my friend. And you seem to recognize this in the video.
To be clear: I don't think that he is in the wrong to make the video, and I don't think that you are in the wrong to make the video either. But what is being criticized with Reformed Pilgrim is unclear.
Are you criticizing his criticism of you simply because he thinks you are in error? Or was there something in his conduct that was ungodly?
My brother, this seems like exactly the kind of criticism and pushback we need and should encourage!
God bless you brother - I pray that the Lord keeps you and encourages you.
I will not attempt to speak for Jason, but I would like to express my issue with what Reformed Pilgrim did. What Mr. Pilgrim did was preface his statement with "I am not accusing you of plagiarism "...then strongly insinuate that he was using someone else's work without attribution.
He says he doesn't know if Jason is trying to make money with his channel, then points him to some channel about not profiting from the gospel.
Only someone who doesn't want to see what he's doing here can miss it. These were not even subtle disparaging comments on Jason's character. There is no need for Jason to give attribution for every thought he expenses, nor is it wrong for him to sell merchandise on his channel if he so chooses. Mr. Pilgrim also seems to be operating under a double standard, since it is very doubtful that he has any issues with Calvinist icon John MacArthur selling study Bibles with his name on them, or having endorsement agreements for Bible translations ( first the ESV, then the NASB, now the LSB were all the best English translation).
There is no issue with disagreement, with being critical of positions or beliefs...but Mr. Pilgrim went beyond that and made VERY thinly veiled negative comments about Jason's character and integrity. And that's a problem.
@@ericedwards5034 I agree completely that Reformed Pilgrim was addressing something that he sees as an issue with Jason!
The question that I have is, other than coming to him privately, how could he have communicated it better?
Is it sin to express concern when you feel a brother is wavering on something you think is important?
I do not believe it was Reformed Pilgrim's intent to malign, tear-down, or destroy Jason in any way. Rather, I find his intent to be to *build-up* Jason, with intent to correct Jason. Now, I have disagreements on the specifics of Reformed Pilgrim's comments (I have no complaints with Jason) - but I do not think Reformed Pilgrim's heart was malicious. Do you?
Let me ask you a question:
Other than speaking privately with Jason, how could have Reformed Pilgrim have expressed his concern in a more loving and kind manner? How could he have been more Christ-like?
How would you tell a brother you have concerns?
@@NarikkuThank you for your even-handed treatment of my approach. Your impression of my intent actually reflects my intent; it’s what I had in mind all along.
@@reformedpilgrim I'm glad to see that. I hope that Jason comes to see that as well.
God bless - I appreciate your desire and zeal for the Lord, as well as your approach! Please, keep doing what you do!
I have just started this video but I wonder if you’ll mention Lordship Salvation which JMac also believes. Coming from being under Masters taught pastors, it seems to be cause the critical spirit most
Let alone JM doesn’t believe the blood atonement…
@@polskigirl8547 I’d love to hear more th e blood atonement and what JM doesn’t believed, can you please share? Thank you
@@Mals2244 th-cam.com/video/rE6JPy75BmE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ddOTwxlVd2xlYe3S……you can hear from the source himself
th-cam.com/video/owjyeyOPxeY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=6mRn5ft-0cr6MNgz and again…..
@@Mals2244 without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins…Matt 26:28…Romans 3:25
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Sorry for my voice text not re-creating what I said properly. What I said was that your thumbnail title suggests that…
Oh the irony of the title of this video 😂
I’m praying for you to be strong in honesty talking about these things, and recognizing some dishonest responses. We all aren’t professionals here and can be misunderstood and clarify ours selfs No shame🙏
I just thought of this since I did send you a loving e-mail @ a month ago to say I was worried about who you "hitch your wagon to".
Do you think that Warrens satire videos are loving? Or as I believe, they have nothing whatsoever to do with loving others. When I read comments under them and see Leighton replaying them I find it laughable to see a anti calvinist discuss this seriously.
To then follow your own advice to calvinisist's who are dealing with this issue with a " critical spirit" , you should do a video series on Warrens treatment of others.
It is a lie to say that this attitude is predominantly from one side.
Dave, calvinisms exposed more everyday. I’d like to see Warren post several videos every week.
A calvinist asking about “ loving??” Thanks for the laugh Dave.
@@truthseeker5698 My point exactly. Thank you.
@@davevandervelde4799 Indeed Dave. You’ve another gospel.
There is no good news in calvinism reformed theology. Aug-Gnostic wellspring post biblical writings.
Simply another religious system
leeching from the scriptures.
Way past time reformers/ calvinists are exposed
Sola de cultist click.
sorry you did experience something like this, it's shocking... (58:00) what a shameful arrogance... this is awfully cringey in so many ways... it reminds me of certain other Calvinists... it's like a virus, sad to say...
The context of Ephesians 1 is God’s plan to include both Jews and Gentiles; all people.
I love what you are doing, but I think you are being a tad too gentle with their criticisms. After all, your whole video is about the critical spirit. My in-laws became Calvinists, and I have noticed only-increasing mean-spirited rhetoric coming from them. They pick and pick and get on something and I finally have to say I am not going to discuss that with you anymore. Sometimes even that does not work and I just have to let them say it even though I have told them repeatedly I do not agree with that. Their response is sometimes I just don't like it. Whatever. It is not that I don't like it, although I do not, but not because I fear it is correct but because it is frightening that they actually believe it. That "I have the market cornered on 'truth' and I am going to browbeat you with it" attitude is a big reason people get turned off by "church people."
False doctrine is not from God. Therefore , it does not get help from "THE HELPER" whom was sent to lead us into all truth. So which spirit do you think is behind it (👿 Hi folks remember me...Hath God indeed said? Surely Luke 9:56, John 3:17, Romans 5:18 & Acts 17:26-31 can't mean what they say?)
A non Trinitarian can make the same argument against Trinitarians.
@@rogervincent2092 Ok? Anyone can make the argument against another, or another teaching/doctrine. That doesn't necessarily make their position true or biblical.
Unfortunately, Oneness/Anti-trinitarianism is a thing & a good example. It's not only counterintuitive to scripture, it makes Jesus a psychotic schizophrenic!! He prays to Himself in the Garden of Gethsemane to keep Himself from going to the cross. Then when on the cross, He crys out to Himself, to save Himself???
@@mikelyons2831 Congratulations! Now you know what a Calvinist feels like when he or she thinks they hear a teaching that makes God look weak, miserly and not all powerful
@@rogervincent2092 Unfortunately, they think & feel that from consenting to Calvinism's erroneous falicies. Calvinism is a false gospel that preys on the under-discipled. 👿 "Don't you believe God is sovereign? Therefore, God has to irresistibly coerce/force an arbitrary some to turn to Him & condemn the rest for His egoic glory."
Scripture : God is so sovereign, he can instruct a volitional Prophet to go tell a people to repent (because He's not willing any should perish, but rather wants all to come to repentance). The volitional free thinking Prophet rebels, so the Omnipotent God of scripture prepares a fish to get the disobedient Prophet to the beachhead He wanted'm to go to... to tell a Pagan people He loves to repent & turn to Him.
God's foreknowledge of all events, does not make Him the causal agent of all events (see Jeremiah 19:5 for one of many examples). Calvinists epitomize succumbing to "Hath God indeed said?" Look up the passages I listed in my earlier comment. What are you going to believe? Scripture in context or Calvin's Institutes?
If we got a succession of bad Bishops of Rome, it's a split again.
It should not be surprising that Calvinistic doctrines lead to these kinds of issues. Gnostic rooted belief systems seem to always bring out the holier than thou, exclusionary behaviours. I guess when the original seed was greek philosophy with a splash of Augustinian 'knosis' fertilizer then you end up with the calvinist thorny weed.... I mean tulip.
Jason, you are doing fine in dealing with the difficult situation. I don't think the Calvinists you deal with on internet have a real credibility. The first step towards credibility is to reveal your real name.
If one presents an argument, his identity is irrelevant; it only matters whether or not the argument is sound. If one is presenting only an opinion, his identity is still irrelevant.
How does he call you brother if he can't know anyone is truly elect? What if he's not the elect?
Actually, Jason, you look better now than 7 years! You’re aging well!😁
I find when I address Calvinist, they think I have a critical spirit 😅
Both sides do it. As long as believers remember that this is a secondary issue for salvation. We will all walk in humility.
@@rogervincent2092it may be a secondary issue, but I have seen people become depressed, suicidal, or walk away from the faith because of Calvinism. This is why I find it important to speak out against this doctrine.
@chrispedayo That is not Calvinism. That is the individual. I have seen non Calvinist focus more on God's wrath than God's love, which can produce spiritual emptiness, lack of joy, etc...or non Calvinist who put way too much emphasis on eschatology. Do we get rid of the wrath of God doctrine or stop teaching about the end times? I am neither depressed nor suicidal and God used Calvinism to bring me back to the faith. How do you explain me?
@chrispedayo People walked away from the faith because they didn't like the church's views on homosexuality. Should we re-evaluate our views on whether homosexuality is a sin? We gotta think better than this
@@rogervincent2092 do you represent every Calvinist believer? If not, then you can't speak for everyone and can't be dismissive of the people who had a bad experience with it.
"Critical" spirit is missing the point in my opinion. Heretical spirit would be more accurate.
Dont let the video police discourage you!😊
He accused and premises you can’t respond, without said accusations. Not good!!!!
I can see watching a video and saying with the help of the person’s video. But maybe too much attention to the Christian that said it before, could be a problem too?
Can you do some videos on parenting please
To me that guy sounds like James White. Is he copying Jame’s demeanor and way of underhanded insults? Just wondering.
Imagine a calvinist saying something about one making money of a ministry .
The Calvinist dude is accusatory of your character and motives, all the while denying what he is doing. His dishonesty is plainly on display. My advice to you is to quit being so accommodating for such dishonest discourse. He's got you on the back foot, which is exactly where he wants you.
Good point. What you refer to as dishonest discourse maps, in my mind, to the fact that the only time the noun "debate" appears in NT is at the end of Romans 1 along with a bunch of really bad stuff.
"Concerns"
How patronizing
You are way more charitable than I would be. That video drips with snide arrogance.
Some unlearned arminians, provisionists also insult calvinists of believing in doctrines of demons, that we are unsaved. So what are you trying to accomplish in this video?
I hope you feel better soon. I still love you, brother, and I will likely still continue to say things you don't like or ask questions you perceive as attacking your character. But it's done in love, man. I sent you an email, since you asked.
I can't seem to find where the Selling Jesus channel mentions premium Bibles specifically. I truly thought I heard it when I made that video. It might be my own conscience; I might be tempted to covet them. (From a free-market perspective, I don't think there's anything wrong with a premium Bible.)
Your condescending attitude is very easy to discern. If you say it in smooth tones doesn't make it any less condescending. Pretty much a standard Calvinist word game.
Sounds very accusatory in stead of questioning?
Wow he is condescending to you, and accusing very bad flavor
Wow! I appreciate the video, but you are thumbnail title. Suggest that you are naming and calling out a demonic, force, and or stronghold! I pray the blood of Jesus Christ over you and your ministry and your videos and your household. In Jesus name I pray amen. Be careful man!that junk is for real! I really like your content by the way. Good job.
Thank you! 🙏
@@GoodBerean Just curious: by hearting _holysmokesaj4746's_ comment, am I to understand that you think I am a demonic force or stronghold?
I've found that those who are most particular about about having the correct and precise "order of salvation" are almost always the multiple degreed Theologians. For the remaining 99.9 of the brothers and sisters in Chris"t, except of the kooky super duper "word of faith folks, God is Soverign, we are responsible for our actions and beliefs and we must repent and believe in Christ (believe in your heart and confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord) and then walk in love and obedience to the Lord. It seems the Calvanists [typically amongst the multiple degreed crowd] have gone too far in their belief on the sovereignty of God-as if God, in His sovereignty cannot choose to allow humans to legitimately make decisions whether to choose to believe in Jesus, but to be fair, some non-Calvonists downplay the sovereignty of God a bit too much.
Ugh. This guy is typical arrogant Calvinist. Your video did help me to read Ephesians in a more authentic way instead of just putting preheard interpretations. And I don't mean you came to my house and helped me, in case someone misunderstands.
I am sorry, but I am having a difficult time seeing how Calvinism creates a critical spirit as opposed to any other soteriological system? Why would you make this about Calvinism? It seems to me you are using this 'critical spirit' to criticize rogue Calvinist in a passively aggressive manner?
I’m not..I understand perfectly having been a Calvinists for 20 years
You can't be serious . He explained very humbly why . Even calvinist leaders address this topic quite often because it's a characteristic regularly observed within the calvinist community. Of course there's critical spirits everywhere, but not like one sees within the calvinist community. In almost every encounter i experience with calvinists , they attack the person instead of the doctrine they disagree with . One should always attack wring doctrine , not the person and this is where calvinists fail miserably from my own experience. It's the very spirit of the doctrine itself that causes such behavior in my opinion.
I know loving, humble Calvinists. I'm not one myself. However I believe Calvinist doctrine does attract people and can lend itself to be overly intellectual and promote a deceptive pride.
@@cecilspurlockjr.9421 "Of course there's critical spirits everywhere, but not like one sees within the calvinist community" Yes, I am serious, and you are no different to make such an inconsistent claim. You are blinded to your own inconsistency due to your abhorrence of Calvinism and conflating Calvinism with Calvinists. If anything your response perfectly demonstrates why videos like this is NOT needed and does not edify the body of Christ.
@@yvonnehedeker3441 I AGREE! but so can any Theological system. I have seen apostate videos make the same claim, that when they stopped being a "Christian", they stopped being overly critical of others. How is this video any different?
As loving and kindly as I can say this, Jason, your feelings are NOT the gospel.
2 Corinthians 2:15-16 KJV - For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:
16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?
Where are you getting this idea of this video being feelings led?
I am glad to see that you now accept 2 Timothy 2:24-26 as being important and vital to God granting someone repentance.
You are right to say that Jason's feelings are not the gospel! Neither are yours, my friend!
What about what Jason said makes you think he disagrees with the passage you quoted?
No Christian women to BULLY over here Jones. Go preach your gnostic Calvinite crap to the devil where it came from.