@@yafoor4660that's just stupid, relating religion to a language was not the case at that time, which was clearly explained in the video about how Buddhism and Jainism coexisted with Hinduism, and obviously they followed the southern scripts; your statement doesn't have any evidence other than your radicalised mindset. Pali, prakrit, sanskrit, used the same script, with variations in regions, the Brahmi script we see today is standardised by ashoka, earlier there was Brahmi script with little variations under diffrent rulers. Seems like calling you Buddhist is nothing but a shame, Cause you are here to contradict what Buddha taught, with your radicalised hateful mind🙏 Om Namo Buddhaya🙏❤
There is no link between battiprolu & kannada telugu script, battiprolu was a prakrit language inscription written in southern brhami script, the kannada script evolved from brhami script during kadambas in Karnataka, later evolved in to kannada & telugu script.
Goosebumps! Thoroughly enjoyed this episode. Nice to hear the ‘Zha’ sound so very well articulated by the narrators when saying ‘Tamizh’ Nandri 🙏 Dhanyawadaha 🙏
Your channel is doing a great job, most history based channels become too focused with the political side of these discussions - this is honest and focused on the learning side. Looking forward to more of your videos.
Most of my Indian frens are from Kerala. My guru is from Andra Pradesh and speaks Telugu. I speak basic Hindi (enough to get basic necessities, some small talk). I love the intricate and festive look Southern scripts have. Telugu is so mesmerizing. It looks like fine filligree on paper. I wish I could read it. A thousand lifetimes would never be enough to take in all of Bharat's deep mysteries and wonders. 💖
I knew 'Bhattiprolu' as only a village in coastal Andhra Pradesh near Bapatla. That 'Bhattiprolu' was also a script that preceded current day Telugu and Kannada is a new learning.
@@sriharshacv7760 Not at all true.Naagari has no other origin except Asokan Brahmi.There is no controversy at all. With regard to Bhattiprolu script,it is almost similar to Asokan Brahmi. Therefore Asikan Brahmi->Bhattiprolu->Kannada Telugu script is possible.Kannada scholars simply skip the middle Bhattiprolu and directly derive Kadamba script from Asokan Brahmi.
Bhattiproluvillage has a Buddhist ancestry.I believe there is a Buddhist stupa there.During excavations there,archeologists found a bowl on the bottom of which,a script is engraved.That script is called Bhattiprolu script
This is a fantastic video, in the earlier stages of my life I thought English is the oldest language, 😂😂😂 later when I worked with Japanese I was privileged learn little Jspanese language. At this point of time I started digging, then I came to know Sanskit was the oldest language in the world, after further research I came to know that Tamil and Kannada were the next 2nd and 3rd oldest languages in the world, then I learnt Tamil proudly, same thing I was telling people, they used to laugh at me, English is a world language. Due to ego issues like English is world language and status of English is high, it is lack of kowledge about our Bharatian culture and heritage, I found that Kannada was the first administrative language of thst time, even though Tamil was the first language of the world. Need some digging. Japanese letters are same like Kannada but they speak like Tamil and Bengaali... If some west people says our language is 2500 years old tell them our languages are more than 10000 years or 1lakh years old... proud to be a Bharathiyan...
I hundred percent agree Telugu (my mother language) has more affinity to Sanskrit than Hindi. It was almost impossible for me to master the literary Telugu of poet srinatha. It was so complex for a young student but I’m still persevering.
Excellent work, this video as well as Part 2 and the earlier one on settlements in S. India. The story of how India was peopled and the evolution of it languages is fascinating, and you have presented it in a simple, clear and fact-based way. Keep up the great work!
Storytrails is such a fascinating channel to follow! Devoid of jingoistic hyperbole, and based on documented research. This makes it objective and reliable. The narrators have standard, remarkably easy accents to follow. Now, this brings me to two points of phonetic intrigue. 1. I notice that “ZH” is pronounced in a unique manner, in Tamil. Similarly the letter “L” at the end of the word Tamil has its own unique pronunciation, seemingly an upward curling of the tongue? Would it be possible, please, to explain these 2 phonemes, possibly in a video for auditory benefit? Nothing like learning the appropriate pronunciation from 2 scholars in the field! I hang with bated breath on every one of your enlightening videos, possibly because of being from the South myself, and rather tired of the predominance of the North in representations of India, much to the detriment of our ancient, glorious South … pardon my own slide into momentary jingoistic pride 😉
I'm not Tamil so someone who is can probably correct me or add to this, but basically the L at the end of the word Tamil is actually the "zh", which is pronounced with an exaggerated roll of the tongue from the very start of the upper palate, which you noted. Many people write the word Tamil as Tamizh, which is sometimes used in this video too. Tamil basically has 3 "L" sounds: the conventional L, which is equivalent to Devanagari ल, the "L" with the tongue rolling from the middle of the upper palate, equivalent to Devanagari ळ, and the "zh" sounds which you noted to have a unique pronounciation, and has no equivalent in Devanagari
@@deepakmt92 Good to know, Deepak! What an enlightening channel this is. I appreciate the many opportunities it provides for widening my linguistic and cultural horizons.
Kerala itself is cheranadu ruled by Thamizh chera kings. Later period invasions more percentage of sanskriti words mixed with Thamizh and formed a new language Malayalam.
அது Tamil இல்லை சார் மாத்திக்கங்க தமிழ் என்றாலே *ழ்* தான் அழகு உலகில் எந்த மொழிக்கும் இல்லாத அழகு * தமிழ்* Tamil. என்று உச்சரிக்க வேண்டாம். Tamizhi என்று எழுதுங்கள்.
At last someone explained to me that many Sanskrit words are there in kannada.I am a kannadiga and I used to always wonder why I could understand Mahabharatha serial in hindi where they used to speak in shudh Hindi without parsi words.I had observed earlier that Hindi also has many Turkish words.
Excellent video. This is the best place to learn unbiased history. The speed and clarity of narration is just awesome. Kudos to all the people who are involved in making this video. One correction required. Sanskrit usage did not decline after the Pallava period. The Thanjavur Marathas till around 19th century patronized 4 languages (Telugu, Tamil, Marathi and Sanskrit)
There is a gap of about 700 years between the Pallavas' decline and the Thanjavur Marathas' ascendancy. Like Marathas the Pallavaas too were non-Tamils ethnically and hence promoted Sanskrit as their Kingdom contained only a portion of northern Tamilnadu the other areas being part of present day Andhra and Karnataka. But their capital city Kanchipuram was an ancient Tamil town well known for learning and wisdom. When the Pallavas were in power the Chola, Chera and Pandiya Kingdoms were functional in their respective spheres where understandably Tamil was the court language. . The pallava kingdom was later fully
Correction: Aspirated sounds were added to the Telugu script to be able to translate Sanskrit literature [mahabharatam]. Those sounds were not present from the beginning. Even today, aspirated sounds are not paid much attention while speaking by telugu people.
What a fabulous video. I often wondered about these questions specially about the link between Brahmi script found on Ashokas pillars all over India and the language spoken during his time. Your awesome video cleared that doubt.
Language and scripts are different people. Most languages were oral and written much later. Here the person says that the first script that was used to write Old Tamil is Tamil Brahmi or Southern Brahmi.
Great information, very easily presented. Now we know that things were very fluid those days, not as cut and dry as made out to be. People moved around, languages mingled, kingdoms changed. Lots of mixing happened that's what makes India such a rich and unique culture. Amazing.
The Malayalam letter depicted in the “The letter ‘Pa’” chart at 7:42 is actually the letter “kha”. The letter Pa in. Malayalam is the same as the Grantha letter above.
Tamil is a very unique language than any languages in India. There are only two types of language patterns in India. One is Tamil root and the other one is Sanskrit mixed root. All the North India languages are Sanskrit + Persian mixed. Accept Tamil ,all the South Indian languages are Tamil + Sanskrit mixed. Now, there are many letters which Sanskrit has , doesn't have in Tamil. All the Indian languages have Sanskrit sounds and letters except Tamil. Hard souns like Bha,dha..thaa..taa...etc.etc and all are in Sanskrit while Tamil doesn't have those sounds or letters. Why is that ? This is where you can rationale and scientifically think something . Tamil has millions of words for all the things around the South Indian region to call. From the germs ,plants ,trees and objects around them to far away planets there are pure Tamils words without the use of Hard sounds which is existing in Sanskrit. Those hard sounds comming from the Naval area while the Tamil sounds are generating between heart or upper belly to brain area. That means when you speak Tamil..the vibration of the body mostly happened between the upper belly to brain area while the Sanskrit is Naval to Brain. Keep in mind that as the humans we usually eat three meals and each meals is talking around 3 hours to digest. You eat the food while you awake..and at the same time you speak or do communication only while you awake. So, while your food is in the stomach..putting your force to make a sound from the Naval can disturb the digestion process. So, this language was essentially evolved with that practice in mind. All they need is to have words to communicate with other people and they made it such a without the hard sounds. Also due to higers vibration of upper region of our body (between the upper belly to Brain..) Then the vibration of the brain areas can get more blood supply to the Brain..Our brain is like a antenna. So, when the brain is vibrating continually, then those antennas are tuned up to download the cosmic archives much easier than others. That's is is the reason I believe in Tamil Nadu region has the highest number of inventions than anyone in Indian region. 18 siddhas .. Adishankara.. Ranamanujar.. Tholkaapiyam.. Thiruvalluvar.. To AR.Rahman..Visvanath Anandan..three Nobel prize Winners from Tamil nadu and all are continuosly happening due to the Tamil language speaking is my believe (it is a hypothesis or a my own theory.i would like to see the if any counter arguments). So, Tamil is very unique and lived in India as a one man. Later ..when the Aryans started to settle here and due to there impact, Tamilians have mixed with them and other languages was born. Other than Tamil ,all the south Indian languages,have those Hard sounds mixed up. Without those sounds ,those other south Indian languages cannot exist on their own. But, Tamil can exist 100% without those sounds. That's why It is very clear that Kannada ,Telungu and all are clearly The languages evolved after the Sanskrit was born. But, Tamil was born before the Sanskrit and it evolved uniquely than any languages.
Sir, the Aryan Migration theory is a myth. It was created to divide. It has been debunked long back. But not coming out in mainstream. This is in no way to reduce the beauty or originality of Tamil. But Aryans did not migrate to India. But there's evidence of Indians migrating to Europe🙏
Tamil is very old and great, no doubt.. at the same time every Indian language is old and has a rich heritage, that is the greatness of Bharat , long live Bharatam!
This sounds like the dynamic of ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs and the meroitic script. I see resonance in how the regional histories of scripts unfolded.
Great job! It’s a beautiful and easy presentation of a potentially tough subject, and I’m sending this link to my grandkids because I’m sure they’ll love it
Tamil grammar is taken from Sanskrit, this fake divide was created by the British. Both languages have more in common than not. Both have borrowed heavily from each other.
@@Thepc425rubbish 😂tamil is the only language which has no connection with sanskrit...it had grammar much before sanskrit interference...tamil grammar modified to use sanskrit lexicon using sanskrit phonetics doesn't mean it was derived from sanskrit...don't spread nonsense..tamil is an independent classical language
@@SarathKumar-lf7uf I think the early Tamil literature that is available is from the sangam period. Sage Agatsya was the one who organised first sangam meeting. Sage Agatsya was the master in Sanskrit and Tamil. He was the one who composed Tamil grammar later his disciples modified his works.. He lived near panchwati, present day maharastra..
You guys are doing an amazing job. Requires a lot of efforts and research to come up with such videos. Wish uou all the best and keep the momentum going. Storytrail and people Praveen Mohan are positively impacting our Indian society. KUDOS to you!
Sanskrit was written by Newar people from Kathmandu in Bhujimol script. We even have a brick that contains inscription referring to a name in Brahmi & Bhujimol mixed “Charumati” daughter of Ashoka The Great in display at Changunarayan Temple. 2300 year old history.
Many thanks for the efforts to surface the potential with keeladi excavations which has not been given enough weightage till date .. loved the video… do make more of these
I was looking for this... Thanks... Also, plz at the end of the video, provide a graphical timeline of the things you discussed..because its the common problem that we tend to forget or confuse or totally ignore the time periods.. And a clear understanding of the various time periods helps a lot in establishing connections and creating a link that simplifies understanding the history.
Excellent video...But would like to point out that the malayalam letter Pa is shown wrong. It is actually more like the example of pa shown in grantha script from the video(പ). Really looking forwars for your next video
Till the Indus script is properly decoded the origin of Indian languages will remain shrouded in mystery. One has to factor in the period of Shruthi as b4 Smriti as well so all Indic languages do have this verbal period b4 characters r assigned to sounds & given there r huge gaps in Indian history due to invaders ,natural calamities we may never know which came 1st. But today each has its unique place & no equal beyond Bharat exists.
a quality film/documentary compare to bbc/national geography channels. presentation is plain english to understand by a everyone. congrats to get more views and subscrption
Kadamba script is from 4th century AD not from 6th century as you have mentioned. Earliest copper plate inscriptions in dravidian language is in kannada.
...in Kannada We have " original Kannada inscription "readable in Kannada called simha katanjana shasana " in Talagunda(shivamogga) officially declared by asi and gezzetted " ... Which belongs to 3rd CE .... ... The inscription says about " the donor naga deva" ... So.... Its Kannada " which has the oldest readable inscription ..earlier to 3rd CE ... So if u ..don't know about Kannada ....pls stop spreading false
Nonsense the Tamili script inscription from Mangulam, dated to 3rd century BCE by Iravatham Mahadevan is the older than the one you mentioned. 600 years oldesr than what you mentioned. Learn the difference between BCE and CE.
@@kpmkpm13th ... it made the sense!; if u had shared the link here!??😂 ... Where its proved ... Inscription was indeed Tamil ...not Tamil brahmi ! Give us the link.... Proof something ... What we have ....on hand which belonged to 3 CE ...officially documented by ASI .. 1. The Talaguppa ... Halagannada* simha katanjana Kannada inscription (which describes - about a persons named naganatha" donations ) And .... Also we found 2. Gold coins (bele' (dal) nanya(coins)) ... Embedded with ಕ" ... Letter which same as we use today ...which belonged to the kadamba king Kakuthsa battari/ verma .... By itself proves Kannada was the state language by then' at 3 rd CE isn't it More importantly the same site yet to be fully ... Excavated !??? For some reason ASI ... Stopped it ...whatever we have today ..was the result of -just preliminary excavation .... Go n give us .proof of ..your 3bce ...Tamil inscription or script
@@kpmkpm13th your so called mangulam inscription ..... Is called brahmi ... And guessed may belonged to ...3bce to 1 CE ... They never proved it any way. 1. Take it ... If its Tamil only .... But its entirety is very different from your Today's Tamil.... Where does it evolved from then !? 2. U claim Tamil is older than ... 3bce ... But the mangulam inscription only found in 1889 !? That to by a British. . what u people were doing !? If mangulam inscription was in brahmi (which pali Prakrit) ... Then was. tolkappium also wrote in brahmi ?!!! What's happened !?? Then .... When n how your today's Tamil script did ...evolved ???
@@ShivSidharthGowda "your so called mangulam inscription ..... Is called brahmi" nope it is Tamizhi. "U claim Tamil is older than ... 3bce ... But the mangulam inscription only found in 1889 !? That to by a British. . what u people were doing !? " You sound like a lunatic at this point. You asking why it was found by British? IVC was also found by british so will ask ourselves why we didn't find it? Your arguments are so stupid! Government Archeology didn't exist in India before the British started it. "how your today's Tamil script did ...evolved ???" Tamizhi ---> Vattezhuthu ---> modern Tamil. All this are recorded attested facts with hard proof. You can find in all Temples and historical sights in Tamil Nadu "If mangulam inscription was in brahmi (which pali Prakrit) ... Then was. tolkappium also wrote in brahmi ?!!!" Please stop confusing language and script. Please re-watch the video they have explained the difference between language and script. And Mangulam inscription is in Tamizhi not Brahmi. "And guessed may belonged to ...3bce to 1 CE ... They never proved it any way" more nonsense! The mangulam inscriptions are among the protected monuments in Tamil Nadu by the Archaeological Survey of India. So that says it is an attested and proved fact. "Take it ... If its Tamil only .... But its entirety is very different from your Today's Tamil.... Where does it evolved from then !? " IT IS TAMIL! there is no take it. And every living language undergoes change the just like old kannada evolved into new kannada doesn't mean old kannada isn't kannada. But a fact is any person who has studied tamil can easily understand what is written in Mangulam inscription.
@@ShivSidharthGowda 1. You can look up Mangulam script details in ASI website. I am unable to paste links here. 2. Tamili and Tamil are different things Tamili is a script where as Tamil is a language. 3. Mangulam inscription is an ASI protected inscription they just don't give it to unproven things. Mangulam script is officially ASI proven 3rd Century BCE tamili script inscription in Tamil language. 4. Mangulam clearly details about Pandiya kings and many places and monuments built by pandyas have inscription in Tamil language and Tamili script which proves that tamil was a official language of Pandyas and Pandyas are even mentioned in Valmiki Ramayana and Ved Vyasa Mahabharata. Which Kannada kingdom is mentioned in those both epics? 5. You are confusing between Keeladi and Mangulam. And even for Keeladi ASI has produced a 982 page report. "Go n give us .proof of ..your 3bce ...Tamil inscription or script" I have proof od 300 bce and in BCE if number gets bigger it means older just in case you didn't know. Just look up mangulam inscription in google you will get all answers. And same can be found in ASI website too.
The Brahmi script is derived from the Tamil script. Evidence of the Tamil script dates back to the 8th century BC. The Brahmi script dates back to the 3rd century BC. How can the Brahmi script be older than the Tamil script? The Tamil Geezaldi civilization dates back to the 6th century BC. But you mention 3rd century AD. Why are you saying wrong?
Kannada has a lot in common with Tamizh. The common words in Hale Kannada meaning old Kannada like the works of Amogavarsha is amazing. Malayalam and Kannada are both mixture of Samskritham and Tamizh but in varying proportions. One cannot arrive to a conclusion on languages only based on the how the scripts look today.
Lovely video! Back in the day, there was only 1 ‘Brahmi’ script but today, we have so many of its descendants used today! Such as… 🇮🇳 हिन्दी 🇧🇩 বাংলা 🇮🇳 తెలుగు 🇮🇳 தமிழ் 🇮🇳 ગુજરાતી 🇮🇳 ಕನ್ನಡ 🇮🇳 ଓଡିଆ 🇮🇳 മലയാളം 🇮🇳 ਪੰਜਾਬੀ 🇧🇹 ལྷ་སའི་སྐད་ 🇱🇰 සිංහල 🇲🇲 မြန်မာစကား 🇹🇭 ภาษาไทย 🇱🇦 ພາສາລາວ 🇰🇭 ភាសាខ្មែរ *not 🇵🇰 اُردو though!* How many of these languages can you recognise? 😄
@@shreyas846 just a small correction 5th one is gujarati not marathi. It also had a different script called modi(bend) script, but devanagari is used nowadays.
Very informative! Please update the completely erroneous Wikipedia, which claims that tamil and and all other southern Indian languages have completely different lineages. Sanskrit is exclusively proto European and southern Indian languages are Davidian. It was done to divide Indians. Though there is clear connection between Latin and Sanskrit but there is even stronger connection between Sanskrit and Tamil. The connection is much deeper than just “few loan words” as described by western historians and linguists.
Sir, thanks for a wonderful video. Tulu language is one among the five Dravidian languages and has its own script. Can you please tell us about Tulu script also ?
Given that Sangam literature has so many words that we associate today with Sanskrit not to mention the word Sangam itself, I'm not sure you can say Sanskrit had a muted presence in the Tamil land before the Pallavas. What seems to be true is that Tamil culture was at least as advanced as the Sanskritic culture it encountered to exchange vocabulary with it in a confident, self-assured, and orderly way. Also since we're all speculating anyways, it would be worth speculating that Tamil Brahmi was the forebearer of Ashokan Brahmi given that its inscriptions predate Ashoka's. And further we could speculate a sea route for the Phoenician and Aramaic scripts to have reached south India first. We need to speculate and see if such hypotheses are plausible - instead of just repeating hundred year old western historiography, good as it may have been in parts.
A very good analysis and compilation on the "Evolution of Languages and Script in South India". But, recent artifacts from Keezhadi and Kodumanal tell a very different history on the Evolution of Thamizh. In fact these findings are seemingly going to force us, and the Historians, into REWRITING THE ANCIENT HISTORY OF THE HUMANKIND IN INDIA!! Because, the very origin of the human race itself is converging down to South India, Thamizh Naadu and Lemiris or Kumarik Kandam. Let us see on this after going thru your next video.
This clearly proves that Pallava was not a native Tamil empire and as such satavahana could also not be a native Telugu empire. These people most probably have north Indian roots or maybe they themselves could be of different race maybe persian in which North india itself could not accommodate them and they could have come to south. Chera, Chola and Pandya and some other lesser houses like ay, ezhimalai and velar is the one with authentic Tamil ancestry.
Brother your chola Dynasty conquered most of South East Asia and there influence and ancestors were still present in Indonesia and some other countries but the main things is there an ancestor have Sanskrit names and there language is heavily influenced by sanskrit how come a Tamil Dynasty King spread sanskrit instead of Tamil in these countries it only happens when the main language of India were sanskrit at that time or sanskrit was heavily respected language ..Indonesia King and mayanmar King have names like sukarano pushpamati go and search it on Google
Not Tamizh brahmi it's Tamizhi. Brahmi is used to call ashoka inscriptions. Also you missed AASEEVAGAM. AASEEVAGAM is older than Jainism and Buddhism. AASEEVAGAM spread from South to North. Saivam and vainavam created from AASEEVAGAM only. I appreciate your work ❤
Loved you videos. Very interesting and informative. Appreciate your efforts. However I want to bring to your notice that on the page where you have illustrated the evolution of the letter 'pa', the malayalam version has not been shown correctly.
Also, any tips on how a native European language speaker can sharpen her pronounciation? I'm having the hardest time with aspirated and palate sounds. 😢
@6:28 You said Malayalam language is a mix of Sanskrit and Tamil. This is wrong..Malayalam is eveloved either from Tamil or Moola Dravida. Yes the script of Malayalam may be a mix of Tamil and Sanskrit. Also many words from Sanskrit are borrowed to Malayalam too..but language is purely Dravidian.
There is no dravida language they calling old Tamil only as Dravida...even that Dravida word not exist 1000 years before...we are all Tamil language family literature we have to say like this only...
The 1st anomaly: Sanskrit is the language of the elite and Prakrit is the language of the Masses in the1st century BCE ! Does it mean the elite is not in contact or communication with the masses? Or the Elites were just arrived in India and don't speak the same language of the Masses? My concern is based on what evidence the narrator establishes Sanskrit was spoken in 2,000 BCE ! While the written Sanskrit in Brahmi goes back only to 1st century CE. The earliest known full inscriptions of Brahmi are in Prakrit, dated to be from the 3rd to 1st centuries BCE. Also it forgot to mention the "Dark ages" of Tamil Nadu from 3rd century CE to 7th century CE where the so called 'Pallava Kings ruled. This started with the "Kalapirar" Invasion of Tamil Nadu which spelled horror and terror among the Tamils for 280 years. The Pallava rulers were the destroyers of Tamil culture, Tamil language and to some extend the fabric of Tamil Nadu. Today, their remnants are still ruling Tamil Nadu with their roots in the mid India. There wasn't any harmony between Buddhism, Jainism and the Tamil's religion as stated in this video around this time. Tamil Nadu saw the death of some 30,000 Aaseevaham Siddhas from 3rd century BCE to 6th century CE. Meaning from Asoka in the 3rd century BCE to Parasuraman in 3rd century CE to Sambathan in the 7th century CE, killed more than 30,000 Siddhas. Al these Siddhas were tortured and either impaled or crushed by Elephants to death. The Tamil word "sithiravathai" meaning torture came from this incident of "Siddhar Vathai". Siddhar Vathai means torture of Siddhas. Hinduism wasn't the religion of the Tamils in 3rd century CE. It was Aaseevaham. The 2nd Anomaly: The copper scripts of the Pallava Dynasty from the 5th century CE when the Sanskrit letters were introduced. If the narrative is about Tamil it would had mentioned about Pamphlets used by the Tamils. How many Tamil writings in pamphlets were thrown in the rivers of south India because of Sambanthan? Thiruvalankadu copper plate with "pigs" !! Of course, Rajenthira Cholan was bit intimidated by Brahmins due to the killing of his uncle Aathitha Karikalan. This video is parroting the same story of the Brahmins!! Useless for a real Tamil intellectual. The 3rd Anomaly: All current findings in Tamil Nadu during the onset of 21st century were omitted. According to M.D. Sampath, retired Director, Epigraphy, ASI, Mysore, the following words, "Ka ri a ra va [na] ta" written inside an Urn in Adichanallur, would be dated back to 1,500 BCE. This was on the basis of "preliminary thermo-luminescence dating,". The carbon 14 test is still pending. But Satyamurthy, proposed that the script inside the urn may belong to 5th century B.C.
I was under the impression that sanskrit was used to write the Rigg Vedas.ive also heard that the Vedas could be as old 9,000 years old according to embedded astronomical alignments in the Vedas. I learned this from the channel Boaz Mysteries
Thamizh is the mother of indian languages. Malayalam = Thamizh + Sanskrit. Telugu and kannada mix of Thamizh + Sanskrit + Urdu. Percentage of language of mix varies!.
Lol.... Before claiming these comic ..wish u shud study real history .. Today ... In social media u will get thousands of research materials .... Nowhere its proved Tamil is the oldest " ... In India..... Pali " (Prakrit) is the oldest language and most Buddhist used language " then comes Kannada "... Only Kannada has " its own inscription proof which belongs to 3ce ... Talaguppa" ...simha katanjana shasana... Same is official as per ASI..gezett n declaration ... Kannada script is called kadamba lipi "... And this script was adopted by Telugu' Sinnhala(srilanka) .. Southern kannada Ganga dynasty took the same to odissa, Bengal, Nepal , mynmar " Recent .... Archeological evidences proves the fact" Like ..in Recently a inscription found ' in Kannada called "olakallu theertha" There is an research going on in mynmar " on kadamba lipi " ...connections too ... So ... Wait until truth unfolds
@@ShivSidharthGowda Real History 😂😂😂, Are you talking about Britishers made fake History ? This is what is learning in the schools. There is no chance at all for Kannada. Not a single letters have found which goes beyond 1500 BC. You dig .dig..dig deeper and deeper.. I bet you you don't find a single dam thing to prove Kannada is even closer to that. The oldest epic in India is Ramayana.. In the Ramayana it was only namely mentioned about one language. That is Tamil. There is no paali, no Sanskrit, no Prakrit. Further more.. First Upen you should understand that There wasn't a country call India as a one nation 200 years back. Paali was existed only in northern India.The aryan rulers of India (central government in collaboration with the European countries) have only Propogated there prideness to the world. They suppressd the Real history from the outside world. What they Propogated The history is the one you seems to be believe in. In India it is said around 100 thousands stone inscriptions have found. Out of that 60% of is Tamil inscriptions. In northern India they have done more than 80% of archeological works to prove their Aryans antiquety ...but unfortunately they couldn't find anything.. They tried to prove many places from rachighari in IVC to dried narmada rivar areas to prove.. But, they couldn't prove anything to support them. Then they quickly close the sites or making a painted or manipulated history over them. Good example is Rachighari : The Indian archeologist have found a skeleton from the Harappan sites of Rachighari. That is only Type of skeleton they found and then with the excitement ,they sent for the DNA test. But for everyones suprise, that DNA was proven as a Tamilians DNA (it was proven as Tamil irular Caste). Then they Kept it for quit long time as the secret. Then later due to some Court intervention they had to release the report. Then to justify they manipulated the report. This is how they make the history base on their own needs. But that is not the real history. In Karnataka also ,when they did the excavations, what they found is 80% of Tamil antiquity. But then the Kannada government close those sites and Kept is on the selves.
@@ram0210 bla bla bla ..... I just gave ...u facts found by our own people' .... With still on going researches ... 1... What is brahmi / tamili ??? For which you people calling it , For both Tamil and Sanskrit , ???? 2... Yes British changed our history ...but it is largely benefited only .... Tamil and Sanskrit speaking people in India 3. Today we have " solid proof as up to 3 rd CE " only Kannada language has an readable inscription called "simha katanjana inscription" 3rd CE from Talaguppa archeological site in shivamoga Karnataka ... Recently gezetted n declared by ASI " itself .... The the very Talaguppa site .... Yet to be rediscovered ? When they digging last time ..... They found gold coins " of kadamba " with ಕ' ka" symbol on it ....which belongs to 3 rd CE ...and a brick factory too .... At 2n layer bottom ...it was found to be a huge site of may a Buddhist university ! Chaitya ....then immediately the work was stopped .....this is the same case with .... Raichur ASI site at "sannati" .. Fortunately where 'the name of asoka" and his pictures carved on stones found again this work also ....stopped indefinitely ??? 4. Karnataka has been the Epicenter of Jainism and still we practice it in our culture .... Have u know anything about bahubali' statue in shravanabelagola" ..... This site .... Stands in daylight ....uncovered sound n healthy even today ......which belongs to earlier than 500 BC ... Hundreds of inscriptions available there I can go on .... These are all facts available on net ... What is the earliest proof of Tamil or Sanskrit language !??? U people calling a script which belongs to earlier period than 12th CE .....the brahmi / Then what was .....your people writing poems in 1...sangam period (if it is exists) is it brahmi Tamil or something else 2. Same with Sanskrit ....look where u identify a language as brahmi in recent times ...but on other hand u guys claim Sanskrit/ Tamil as a million year old ....??? World needs ....ground proofs than bhashans .... Until u prove n provide us evidence .... Stop spamming
@@ram0210 irula? A tamilian ??? The name itself .... A Kannada origin .... Irula . . means night man" /woman Badaga... Means day man/ woman Beda ... Hunter Kuruba.... Sheeper Jenu (the base word for your Tamil 'tenu'...) Kuruba .... The honey gatherer Dude ..... In our Hampi University ...we do have elaborate n extensive study programs ....on these early Kannada tribal ' ancestry .... The nilgiri people will also ..comes under this program There is a hilly tribal communities from Madhya Pradesh ' .... Too comes under this programme 😁😂😂😂 I don't know in which age u r in .....
@@ShivSidharthGowdaBrother read about linguistics!. Read about proof of Thamizh language and civilization. How many classical languages in the world?.villages of North, northeastern states, Pakistan, afghanistan villages names are also in thamizh. Read about it. Read about archaeological scripts in India!. Read about the age of buddha and thamizh sangam period!.
Wwas the old tamil brahmi script not related to the script from IVC? You mentioned in your other video that the artifaccts uncovered in Keeladi showed script used in the IVC. Couldn't the later tamil script, called tamil brahmi be related to that?
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I'm a Kannadiga, i never knew that there was a script called Bhattiprolu before Brahmi evolved into Kadamba script. Amazing knowledge, Thank you!
There is nothing called Brahmi Script. Its name is Buddha script or Dhamma script.
@@yafoor4660that's just stupid, relating religion to a language was not the case at that time, which was clearly explained in the video about how Buddhism and Jainism coexisted with Hinduism, and obviously they followed the southern scripts; your statement doesn't have any evidence other than your radicalised mindset.
Pali, prakrit, sanskrit, used the same script, with variations in regions, the Brahmi script we see today is standardised by ashoka, earlier there was Brahmi script with little variations under diffrent rulers.
Seems like calling you Buddhist is nothing but a shame,
Cause you are here to contradict what Buddha taught, with your radicalised hateful mind🙏
Om Namo Buddhaya🙏❤
@@yafoor4660
Bhattiprolu inscriptions are found in Andhra from where both Telugu & kannada scripts evolved.
There is no link between battiprolu & kannada telugu script, battiprolu was a prakrit language inscription written in southern brhami script, the kannada script evolved from brhami script during kadambas in Karnataka, later evolved in to kannada & telugu script.
@@jai7185 Wrong! Bhattiprolu is the parent script of kadamba and others
Goosebumps! Thoroughly enjoyed this episode. Nice to hear the ‘Zha’ sound so very well articulated by the narrators when saying ‘Tamizh’
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Dhanyawadaha 🙏
*Dhanyawada
that's the best channel i found on these important subjects. no biased narrative only facts. Thats a great sign.
Your channel is doing a great job, most history based channels become too focused with the political side of these discussions - this is honest and focused on the learning side. Looking forward to more of your videos.
Great production. Both the narrators are doing a wonderful job.
Most of my Indian frens are from Kerala. My guru is from Andra Pradesh and speaks Telugu. I speak basic Hindi (enough to get basic necessities, some small talk). I love the intricate and festive look Southern scripts have. Telugu is so mesmerizing. It looks like fine filligree on paper. I wish I could read it. A thousand lifetimes would never be enough to take in all of Bharat's deep mysteries and wonders. 💖
I knew 'Bhattiprolu' as only a village in coastal Andhra Pradesh near Bapatla. That 'Bhattiprolu' was also a script that preceded current day Telugu and Kannada is a new learning.
This is just an assumption by some.Kannada scholars may not agree that Kadamba script has derived from Bhattiprolu Brahmi.
@@gangadharhiremath7306 Even Nagari from Brahmi seems like a stretch
@@sriharshacv7760 Not at all true.Naagari has no other origin except Asokan Brahmi.There is no controversy at all.
With regard to Bhattiprolu script,it is almost similar to Asokan Brahmi.
Therefore Asikan Brahmi->Bhattiprolu->Kannada Telugu script is possible.Kannada scholars simply skip the middle Bhattiprolu and directly derive Kadamba script from Asokan Brahmi.
Bhattiproluvillage has a Buddhist ancestry.I believe there is a Buddhist stupa there.During excavations there,archeologists found a bowl on the bottom of which,a script is engraved.That script is called Bhattiprolu script
I love Indian history. thank you so much for this video.
If you love history, you should love all the History. In my case I love History. So I love all the Histories of world.
This is Tamil History
Liked the unbiased presentation without mixing present day politics from either sides. Hungry for more such content..
Thank you for preserving those details and classifing our all identity!
This is a fantastic video, in the earlier stages of my life I thought English is the oldest language, 😂😂😂 later when I worked with Japanese I was privileged learn little Jspanese language. At this point of time I started digging, then I came to know Sanskit was the oldest language in the world, after further research I came to know that Tamil and Kannada were the next 2nd and 3rd oldest languages in the world, then I learnt Tamil proudly, same thing I was telling people, they used to laugh at me, English is a world language. Due to ego issues like English is world language and status of English is high, it is lack of kowledge about our Bharatian culture and heritage, I found that Kannada was the first administrative language of thst time, even though Tamil was the first language of the world. Need some digging. Japanese letters are same like Kannada but they speak like Tamil and Bengaali... If some west people says our language is 2500 years old tell them our languages are more than 10000 years or 1lakh years old... proud to be a Bharathiyan...
I hundred percent agree Telugu (my mother language) has more affinity to Sanskrit than Hindi. It was almost impossible for me to master the literary Telugu of poet srinatha. It was so complex for a young student but I’m still persevering.
Why would you even think to associate Telugu which is 1800 years old with language hindi which isn't even 800 years old?
@@kpmkpm13th nothing to do with age of the language. Literary telugu was highly Sanskritised in medieval years.
Excellent work, this video as well as Part 2 and the earlier one on settlements in S. India. The story of how India was peopled and the evolution of it languages is fascinating, and you have presented it in a simple, clear and fact-based way. Keep up the great work!
Storytrails is such a fascinating channel to follow! Devoid of jingoistic hyperbole, and based on documented research. This makes it objective and reliable. The narrators have standard, remarkably easy accents to follow. Now, this brings me to two points of phonetic intrigue. 1. I notice that “ZH” is pronounced in a unique manner, in Tamil. Similarly the letter “L” at the end of the word Tamil has its own unique pronunciation, seemingly an upward curling of the tongue? Would it be possible, please, to explain these 2 phonemes, possibly in a video for auditory benefit? Nothing like learning the appropriate pronunciation from 2 scholars in the field!
I hang with bated breath on every one of your enlightening videos, possibly because of being from the South myself, and rather tired of the predominance of the North in representations of India, much to the detriment of our ancient, glorious South … pardon my own slide into momentary jingoistic pride 😉
I'm not Tamil so someone who is can probably correct me or add to this, but basically the L at the end of the word Tamil is actually the "zh", which is pronounced with an exaggerated roll of the tongue from the very start of the upper palate, which you noted. Many people write the word Tamil as Tamizh, which is sometimes used in this video too. Tamil basically has 3 "L" sounds: the conventional L, which is equivalent to Devanagari ल, the "L" with the tongue rolling from the middle of the upper palate, equivalent to Devanagari ळ, and the "zh" sounds which you noted to have a unique pronounciation, and has no equivalent in Devanagari
@@PranavKarve81 Grateful thanks, Pranav, for this helpful explanation.
It's the same for Malayalam language too
@@deepakmt92 Good to know, Deepak! What an enlightening channel this is. I appreciate the many opportunities it provides for widening my linguistic and cultural horizons.
Kerala itself is cheranadu ruled by Thamizh chera kings. Later period invasions more percentage of sanskriti words mixed with Thamizh and formed a new language Malayalam.
That's why we love Malayalam 😌
Not only language but entirely different culture which adds more beauty to India.
@@sivakumarsubramaniam2388 Yes Yes 😌🗿
Thamizh😂😂😂
@@sivakumarsubramaniam2388 Malayalam and Tamil culture has many similarities.
அது Tamil இல்லை சார் மாத்திக்கங்க தமிழ் என்றாலே *ழ்* தான் அழகு உலகில் எந்த மொழிக்கும் இல்லாத அழகு * தமிழ்*
Tamil. என்று உச்சரிக்க வேண்டாம். Tamizhi என்று எழுதுங்கள்.
തമിഴ് , தமிழ் , Tamil
தமிழ் தாயின் மக்களுக்கு நமது முன்னோர்கள் சேர்த்து வைத்த பெருமை
Love from battibrolu andra pradesh. The place which telugu and kannada script found dated back 3 ce
At last someone explained to me that many Sanskrit words are there in kannada.I am a kannadiga and I used to always wonder why I could understand Mahabharatha serial in hindi where they used to speak in shudh Hindi without parsi words.I had observed earlier that Hindi also has many Turkish words.
Kannada, telugu and Malayalam has many loan words from Sanskrit. And same for modern day tamil
Excellent video. This is the best place to learn unbiased history. The speed and clarity of narration is just awesome. Kudos to all the people who are involved in making this video.
One correction required. Sanskrit usage did not decline after the Pallava period. The Thanjavur Marathas till around 19th century patronized 4 languages (Telugu, Tamil, Marathi and Sanskrit)
There is a gap of about 700 years between the Pallavas' decline and the Thanjavur Marathas' ascendancy. Like Marathas the Pallavaas too were non-Tamils ethnically and hence promoted Sanskrit as their Kingdom contained only a portion of northern Tamilnadu the other areas being part of present day Andhra and Karnataka.
But their capital city Kanchipuram was an ancient Tamil town well known for learning and wisdom. When the Pallavas were in power the Chola, Chera and Pandiya Kingdoms were functional in their respective spheres where understandably Tamil was the court language.
. The pallava kingdom was later fully
This is by far the most sensible explanation of the origins and history of Indian languages that I have seen on youtube. Thank you for sharing!
Wonderful video of tamil and its orgini and it's evolution thanks to storytrails.
Correction: Aspirated sounds were added to the Telugu script to be able to translate Sanskrit literature [mahabharatam]. Those sounds were not present from the beginning. Even today, aspirated sounds are not paid much attention while speaking by telugu people.
Exactly. Every Telugu person says
భక్తి as బక్తి
కథ as కత
భాగ్యము as బాగ్యము
ఛత్రపతి as చత్రపతి
భారం as బారం
What a fabulous video. I often wondered about these questions specially about the link between Brahmi script found on Ashokas pillars all over India and the language spoken during his time. Your awesome video cleared that doubt.
You said Tamil is probably earlier than Brahmi, then why you twist back to address Tamil as Tamil brahmi ?
*possibly
Tamil racist spotted 😁
Brahmi n Tamil brahmi is today's name given by researchers but real name for Tamil brahmi is Tamizhi
Language and scripts are different people. Most languages were oral and written much later. Here the person says that the first script that was used to write Old Tamil is Tamil Brahmi or Southern Brahmi.
That's how they twist Tamizh history
Great information, very easily presented. Now we know that things were very fluid those days, not as cut and dry as made out to be. People moved around, languages mingled, kingdoms changed. Lots of mixing happened that's what makes India such a rich and unique culture. Amazing.
The Malayalam letter depicted in the “The letter ‘Pa’” chart at 7:42 is actually the letter “kha”. The letter Pa in. Malayalam is the same as the Grantha letter above.
Wonderful video, keep up the good work 👏 very refreshing to watch and learn when it is well presented
Tamil is a very unique language than any languages in India.
There are only two types of language patterns in India.
One is Tamil root and the other one is Sanskrit mixed root.
All the North India languages are Sanskrit + Persian mixed.
Accept Tamil ,all the South Indian languages are Tamil + Sanskrit mixed.
Now, there are many letters which Sanskrit has , doesn't have in Tamil.
All the Indian languages have Sanskrit sounds and letters except Tamil.
Hard souns like Bha,dha..thaa..taa...etc.etc and all are in Sanskrit while Tamil doesn't have those sounds or letters.
Why is that ?
This is where you can rationale and scientifically think something .
Tamil has millions of words for all the things around the South Indian region to call.
From the germs ,plants ,trees and objects around them to far away planets there are pure Tamils words without the use of Hard sounds which is existing in Sanskrit.
Those hard sounds comming from the Naval area while the Tamil sounds are generating between heart or upper belly to brain area.
That means when you speak Tamil..the vibration of the body mostly happened between the upper belly to brain area while the Sanskrit is Naval to Brain.
Keep in mind that as the humans we usually eat three meals and each meals is talking around 3 hours to digest.
You eat the food while you awake..and at the same time you speak or do communication only while you awake.
So, while your food is in the stomach..putting your force to make a sound from the Naval can disturb the digestion process.
So, this language was essentially evolved with that practice in mind.
All they need is to have words to communicate with other people and they made it such a without the hard sounds.
Also due to higers vibration of upper region of our body (between the upper belly to Brain..)
Then the vibration of the brain areas can get more blood supply to the Brain..Our brain is like a antenna.
So, when the brain is vibrating continually, then those antennas are tuned up to download the cosmic archives much easier than others.
That's is is the reason I believe in Tamil Nadu region has the highest number of inventions than anyone in Indian region.
18 siddhas ..
Adishankara..
Ranamanujar..
Tholkaapiyam..
Thiruvalluvar..
To AR.Rahman..Visvanath Anandan..three Nobel prize Winners from Tamil nadu and all are continuosly happening due to the Tamil language speaking is my believe (it is a hypothesis or a my own theory.i would like to see the if any counter arguments).
So, Tamil is very unique and lived in India as a one man.
Later ..when the Aryans started to settle here and due to there impact, Tamilians have mixed with them and other languages was born.
Other than Tamil ,all the south Indian languages,have those Hard sounds mixed up.
Without those sounds ,those other south Indian languages cannot exist on their own.
But, Tamil can exist 100% without those sounds.
That's why It is very clear that Kannada ,Telungu and all are clearly The languages evolved after the Sanskrit was born.
But, Tamil was born before the Sanskrit and it evolved uniquely than any languages.
Sir, the Aryan Migration theory is a myth. It was created to divide. It has been debunked long back. But not coming out in mainstream. This is in no way to reduce the beauty or originality of Tamil. But Aryans did not migrate to India. But there's evidence of Indians migrating to Europe🙏
Tamil is very old and great, no doubt.. at the same time every Indian language is old and has a rich heritage, that is the greatness of Bharat , long live Bharatam!
This sounds like the dynamic of ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs and the meroitic script. I see resonance in how the regional histories of scripts unfolded.
Nice new stylization. Channel will boom if we get content like this more.
Great job! It’s a beautiful and easy presentation of a potentially tough subject, and I’m sending this link to my grandkids because I’m sure they’ll love it
Great work, unbiased and honest. Tamil is indigenous language of the land not influenced by Sanskrit, Urudu, Persian over the years.
Tamil grammar is taken from Sanskrit, this fake divide was created by the British. Both languages have more in common than not. Both have borrowed heavily from each other.
@@Thepc425rubbish 😂tamil is the only language which has no connection with sanskrit...it had grammar much before sanskrit interference...tamil grammar modified to use sanskrit lexicon using sanskrit phonetics doesn't mean it was derived from sanskrit...don't spread nonsense..tamil is an independent classical language
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I think the early Tamil literature that is available is from the sangam period.
Sage Agatsya was the one who organised first sangam meeting.
Sage Agatsya was the master in Sanskrit and Tamil.
He was the one who composed Tamil grammar later his disciples modified his works..
He lived near panchwati, present day maharastra..
Beautiful explanation
Thank you for sharing this information. Both of you doing a great job.
You guys are doing an amazing job. Requires a lot of efforts and research to come up with such videos. Wish uou all the best and keep the momentum going. Storytrail and people Praveen Mohan are positively impacting our Indian society. KUDOS to you!
Amazing work! thank you so much for your efforts in producing this video
Sanskrit was written by Newar people from Kathmandu in Bhujimol script. We even have a brick that contains inscription referring to a name in Brahmi & Bhujimol mixed “Charumati” daughter of Ashoka The Great in display at Changunarayan Temple. 2300 year old history.
Excellent! In addition to the knowledge provided, the diction of the presenters was a joy.
Many thanks for the efforts to surface the potential with keeladi excavations which has not been given enough weightage till date .. loved the video… do make more of these
I was looking for this...
Thanks...
Also, plz at the end of the video, provide a graphical timeline of the things you discussed..because its the common problem that we tend to forget or confuse or totally ignore the time periods..
And a clear understanding of the various time periods helps a lot in establishing connections and creating a link that simplifies understanding the history.
Excellent video...But would like to point out that the malayalam letter Pa is shown wrong. It is actually more like the example of pa shown in grantha script from the video(പ).
Really looking forwars for your next video
I was just going to make this comment. The letter they showed it closer to "Kha".
Till the Indus script is properly decoded the origin of Indian languages will remain shrouded in mystery. One has to factor in the period of Shruthi as b4 Smriti as well so all Indic languages do have this verbal period b4 characters r assigned to sounds & given there r huge gaps in Indian history due to invaders ,natural calamities we may never know which came 1st. But today each has its unique place & no equal beyond Bharat exists.
Good job… well narrated, clear links, simple with not too much academic jargon. Good visuals too. Thank you.
Also correct the wrong information that Telugu and Kannada evolved from same language. Telugu evolved from older Kannada language called Halegannada.
In the video thy r not talking about LANGUAGE
they r actually talking about SCRIPT
regarding script thy r factually correct
South Indians were amazing Sanskrit scholars because they have quite strong connect with native languages!
The great work Sir!Congrats!
Very informative and fact based, thank you
On what physical evidence you said sanskrit period is 2000bce.
They failed to mention that in the temple where they showed the wall inscriptions, on the floor there are inscriptions about Rajaraja Chozhan.
Who is rajaraja chozhan
@@parasnandal5229 Ruler of Chola/Chozha Empire of the South from 985 CE to 1014 CE.
Absolutely fascinating video - loved it! And some rather interesting discussion below in the comments too :)
a quality film/documentary compare to bbc/national geography channels. presentation is plain english to understand by a everyone.
congrats to get more views and subscrption
Boht boht Shukriya maam
Kadamba script is from 4th century AD not from 6th century as you have mentioned. Earliest copper plate inscriptions in dravidian language is in kannada.
Shockingly good.
...in Kannada
We have " original Kannada inscription "readable in Kannada called simha katanjana shasana " in Talagunda(shivamogga)
officially declared by asi and gezzetted " ... Which belongs to
3rd CE .... ... The inscription says about " the donor naga deva" ...
So.... Its Kannada " which has the oldest readable inscription ..earlier to 3rd CE ...
So if u ..don't know about Kannada ....pls stop spreading false
Nonsense the Tamili script inscription from Mangulam, dated to 3rd century BCE by Iravatham Mahadevan is the older than the one you mentioned. 600 years oldesr than what you mentioned. Learn the difference between BCE and CE.
@@kpmkpm13th ... it made the sense!; if u had shared the link here!??😂
... Where its proved ... Inscription was indeed Tamil ...not Tamil brahmi !
Give us the link.... Proof something ...
What we have ....on hand which belonged to 3 CE ...officially documented by ASI ..
1. The Talaguppa ... Halagannada* simha katanjana Kannada inscription (which describes - about a persons named naganatha" donations )
And .... Also we found
2. Gold coins (bele' (dal) nanya(coins)) ... Embedded with ಕ" ... Letter which same as we use today ...which belonged to the kadamba king Kakuthsa battari/ verma ....
By itself proves Kannada was the state language by then' at 3 rd CE isn't it
More importantly the same site yet to be fully ... Excavated !??? For some reason ASI ... Stopped it ...whatever we have today ..was the result of -just preliminary excavation ....
Go n give us .proof of ..your 3bce ...Tamil inscription or script
@@kpmkpm13th your so called mangulam inscription ..... Is called brahmi ... And guessed may belonged to ...3bce to 1 CE ... They never proved it any way.
1. Take it ... If its Tamil only ....
But its entirety is very different from your
Today's Tamil.... Where does it evolved from then !?
2. U claim Tamil is older than ... 3bce ... But the mangulam inscription only found in 1889 !? That to by a British. . what u people were doing !?
If mangulam inscription was in brahmi (which pali Prakrit) ...
Then was. tolkappium also wrote in brahmi ?!!!
What's happened !?? Then
....
When n how your today's Tamil script did ...evolved ???
@@ShivSidharthGowda "your so called mangulam inscription ..... Is called brahmi" nope it is Tamizhi.
"U claim Tamil is older than ... 3bce ... But the mangulam inscription only found in 1889 !? That to by a British. . what u people were doing !? "
You sound like a lunatic at this point. You asking why it was found by British? IVC was also found by british so will ask ourselves why we didn't find it? Your arguments are so stupid! Government Archeology didn't exist in India before the British started it.
"how your today's Tamil script did ...evolved ???"
Tamizhi ---> Vattezhuthu ---> modern Tamil.
All this are recorded attested facts with hard proof. You can find in all Temples and historical sights in Tamil Nadu
"If mangulam inscription was in brahmi (which pali Prakrit) ...
Then was. tolkappium also wrote in brahmi ?!!!"
Please stop confusing language and script. Please re-watch the video they have explained the difference between language and script. And Mangulam inscription is in Tamizhi not Brahmi.
"And guessed may belonged to ...3bce to 1 CE ... They never proved it any way" more nonsense! The mangulam inscriptions are among the protected monuments in Tamil Nadu by the Archaeological Survey of India.
So that says it is an attested and proved fact.
"Take it ... If its Tamil only ....
But its entirety is very different from your
Today's Tamil.... Where does it evolved from then !? "
IT IS TAMIL! there is no take it. And every living language undergoes change the just like old kannada evolved into new kannada doesn't mean old kannada isn't kannada. But a fact is any person who has studied tamil can easily understand what is written in Mangulam inscription.
@@ShivSidharthGowda
1. You can look up Mangulam script details in ASI website. I am unable to paste links here.
2. Tamili and Tamil are different things Tamili is a script where as Tamil is a language.
3. Mangulam inscription is an ASI protected inscription they just don't give it to unproven things. Mangulam script is officially ASI proven 3rd Century BCE tamili script inscription in Tamil language.
4. Mangulam clearly details about Pandiya kings and many places and monuments built by pandyas have inscription in Tamil language and Tamili script which proves that tamil was a official language of Pandyas and Pandyas are even mentioned in Valmiki Ramayana and Ved Vyasa Mahabharata. Which Kannada kingdom is mentioned in those both epics?
5. You are confusing between Keeladi and Mangulam. And even for Keeladi ASI has produced a 982 page report.
"Go n give us .proof of ..your 3bce ...Tamil inscription or script" I have proof od 300 bce and in BCE if number gets bigger it means older just in case you didn't know.
Just look up mangulam inscription in google you will get all answers. And same can be found in ASI website too.
The Brahmi script is derived from the Tamil script. Evidence of the Tamil script dates back to the 8th century BC. The Brahmi script dates back to the 3rd century BC. How can the Brahmi script be older than the Tamil script? The Tamil Geezaldi civilization dates back to the 6th century BC. But you mention 3rd century AD. Why are you saying wrong?
So hindi the so called national language is a mixture of foreign languages. Wonderful. I wish tamil and Sanskrit was recognized more
Nope. I'd prefer Kannada over Tamil
7:29 💯
Sanskrit is Avestan Persian in the beginning and later sanskrit was infused with Prakrit which it swallowed later and that is only 500AD...
Thank you for these videos... Indian history is too incredible !
Wonderful!! Great substance.🙏🙏
It's astonishing how one ancient script gave birth to so many distinct scripts across vast lands
I am hooked to this channel!
Kannada has a lot in common with Tamizh. The common words in Hale Kannada meaning old Kannada like the works of Amogavarsha is amazing. Malayalam and Kannada are both mixture of Samskritham and Tamizh but in varying proportions. One cannot arrive to a conclusion on languages only based on the how the scripts look today.
Tamil is a version of kannada. But with lesser Sanskrit influence
Kannada is a version of Tamizh. Tamizh is much older than Kannada.
@@srikamakoti Kannada is the mother of Tamil
@@Flying_Spaghetti_Monsterr in your dreams!
@@srikamakoti Says a clown 🤡
Good..Very Good,, Beautiful presentation.. Keep doing.
I had visited Mahabalipuram in 1977 as an engineering student
Lovely video! Back in the day, there was only 1 ‘Brahmi’ script but today, we have so many of its descendants used today! Such as…
🇮🇳 हिन्दी
🇧🇩 বাংলা
🇮🇳 తెలుగు
🇮🇳 தமிழ்
🇮🇳 ગુજરાતી
🇮🇳 ಕನ್ನಡ
🇮🇳 ଓଡିଆ
🇮🇳 മലയാളം
🇮🇳 ਪੰਜਾਬੀ
🇧🇹 ལྷ་སའི་སྐད་
🇱🇰 සිංහල
🇲🇲 မြန်မာစကား
🇹🇭 ภาษาไทย
🇱🇦 ພາສາລາວ
🇰🇭 ភាសាខ្មែរ
*not 🇵🇰 اُردو though!*
How many of these languages can you recognise? 😄
1)hindi 2)bengali 3)i dont know exactly but maybe telugu 4) tamil 5) marathi 6)kannada 7)odia 8)malayalam and the last one is urudu
Sanskrit ?
@@shreyas846 just a small correction 5th one is gujarati not marathi. It also had a different script called modi(bend) script, but devanagari is used nowadays.
@@shreyas846 9) Gurmukhi 10) Bhutanese 11)Sinhala
Very informative! Please update the completely erroneous Wikipedia, which claims that tamil and and all other southern Indian languages have completely different lineages. Sanskrit is exclusively proto European and southern Indian languages are Davidian. It was done to divide Indians. Though there is clear connection between Latin and Sanskrit but there is even stronger connection between Sanskrit and Tamil. The connection is much deeper than just “few loan words” as described by western historians and linguists.
Sir, thanks for a wonderful video. Tulu language is one among the five Dravidian languages and has its own script. Can you please tell us about Tulu script also ?
Golden work. Hats off
Wow fabulous synthesis....
Isn't sankrit's oldest text are around 1500 bc, where is the source which proves it to be 2k bc old
Wow.....great to know.....can you make a video on spread of different religions in India too
Given that Sangam literature has so many words that we associate today with Sanskrit not to mention the word Sangam itself, I'm not sure you can say Sanskrit had a muted presence in the Tamil land before the Pallavas. What seems to be true is that Tamil culture was at least as advanced as the Sanskritic culture it encountered to exchange vocabulary with it in a confident, self-assured, and orderly way. Also since we're all speculating anyways, it would be worth speculating that Tamil Brahmi was the forebearer of Ashokan Brahmi given that its inscriptions predate Ashoka's. And further we could speculate a sea route for the Phoenician and Aramaic scripts to have reached south India first. We need to speculate and see if such hypotheses are plausible - instead of just repeating hundred year old western historiography, good as it may have been in parts.
A very good analysis and compilation on the "Evolution of Languages and Script in South India".
But, recent artifacts from Keezhadi and Kodumanal tell a very different history on the Evolution of Thamizh.
In fact these findings are seemingly going to force us, and the Historians, into REWRITING THE ANCIENT HISTORY OF THE HUMANKIND IN INDIA!!
Because, the very origin of the human race itself is converging down to South India, Thamizh Naadu and Lemiris or Kumarik Kandam.
Let us see on this after going thru your next video.
This will prove Aaryan only returned to their native land.
Gave clarity .. Thanks
This clearly proves that Pallava was not a native Tamil empire and as such satavahana could also not be a native Telugu empire. These people most probably have north Indian roots or maybe they themselves could be of different race maybe persian in which North india itself could not accommodate them and they could have come to south. Chera, Chola and Pandya and some other lesser houses like ay, ezhimalai and velar is the one with authentic Tamil ancestry.
Brother your chola Dynasty conquered most of South East Asia and there influence and ancestors were still present in Indonesia and some other countries but the main things is there an ancestor have Sanskrit names and there language is heavily influenced by sanskrit how come a Tamil Dynasty King spread sanskrit instead of Tamil in these countries it only happens when the main language of India were sanskrit at that time or sanskrit was heavily respected language ..Indonesia King and mayanmar King have names like sukarano pushpamati go and search it on Google
@@Amitsharma-vz4zp chola dynasty not rule the south east asia they concured and they gave it back and they make contract business with them
Great work keep it up..
Loving it. Woaw
1. It is misleading.
2. If no projections were working behind , why to call indian languages!?
Can you please also talk about Northern Dravidian languages like bruhai... Thank you
Please make this video in Tamil and in other indian languages so even common people in india know about their history.
Great informative video
Not Tamizh brahmi it's Tamizhi.
Brahmi is used to call ashoka inscriptions.
Also you missed AASEEVAGAM.
AASEEVAGAM is older than Jainism and Buddhism.
AASEEVAGAM spread from South to North.
Saivam and vainavam created from AASEEVAGAM only.
I appreciate your work ❤
Pale kannadam language is mother of all Language
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mother of all languge may be sanskrit or tamil no kannada
@@skarthik6924 Nope. Palegannada/Halegannada is the oldest
This was nice , where is part 2?
Loved you videos. Very interesting and informative. Appreciate your efforts. However I want to bring to your notice that on the page where you have illustrated the evolution of the letter 'pa', the malayalam version has not been shown correctly.
Also, any tips on how a native European language speaker can sharpen her pronounciation? I'm having the hardest time with aspirated and palate sounds. 😢
@6:28 You said Malayalam language is a mix of Sanskrit and Tamil. This is wrong..Malayalam is eveloved either from Tamil or Moola Dravida. Yes the script of Malayalam may be a mix of Tamil and Sanskrit. Also many words from Sanskrit are borrowed to Malayalam too..but language is purely Dravidian.
There is no dravida language they calling old Tamil only as Dravida...even that Dravida word not exist 1000 years before...we are all Tamil language family literature we have to say like this only...
:D 🔱..... Kumari kandam
Why Bhattiprolu script looks similar to Indus valley era script?
The 1st anomaly:
Sanskrit is the language of the elite and Prakrit is the language of the Masses in the1st century BCE !
Does it mean the elite is not in contact or communication with the masses?
Or the Elites were just arrived in India and don't speak the same language of the Masses?
My concern is based on what evidence the narrator establishes Sanskrit was spoken in 2,000 BCE !
While the written Sanskrit in Brahmi goes back only to 1st century CE.
The earliest known full inscriptions of Brahmi are in Prakrit, dated to be from the 3rd to 1st centuries BCE.
Also it forgot to mention the "Dark ages" of Tamil Nadu from 3rd century CE to 7th century CE where the so called 'Pallava Kings ruled.
This started with the "Kalapirar" Invasion of Tamil Nadu which spelled horror and terror among the Tamils for 280 years.
The Pallava rulers were the destroyers of Tamil culture, Tamil language and to some extend the fabric of Tamil Nadu.
Today, their remnants are still ruling Tamil Nadu with their roots in the mid India.
There wasn't any harmony between Buddhism, Jainism and the Tamil's religion as stated in this video around this time.
Tamil Nadu saw the death of some 30,000 Aaseevaham Siddhas from 3rd century BCE to 6th century CE.
Meaning from Asoka in the 3rd century BCE to Parasuraman in 3rd century CE to Sambathan in the 7th century CE, killed more than 30,000 Siddhas.
Al these Siddhas were tortured and either impaled or crushed by Elephants to death.
The Tamil word "sithiravathai" meaning torture came from this incident of "Siddhar Vathai".
Siddhar Vathai means torture of Siddhas.
Hinduism wasn't the religion of the Tamils in 3rd century CE. It was Aaseevaham.
The 2nd Anomaly:
The copper scripts of the Pallava Dynasty from the 5th century CE when the Sanskrit letters were introduced.
If the narrative is about Tamil it would had mentioned about Pamphlets used by the Tamils.
How many Tamil writings in pamphlets were thrown in the rivers of south India because of Sambanthan?
Thiruvalankadu copper plate with "pigs" !!
Of course, Rajenthira Cholan was bit intimidated by Brahmins due to the killing of his uncle Aathitha Karikalan.
This video is parroting the same story of the Brahmins!!
Useless for a real Tamil intellectual.
The 3rd Anomaly:
All current findings in Tamil Nadu during the onset of 21st century were omitted.
According to M.D. Sampath, retired Director, Epigraphy, ASI, Mysore, the following words, "Ka ri a ra va [na] ta" written inside an Urn in Adichanallur, would be dated back to 1,500 BCE.
This was on the basis of "preliminary thermo-luminescence dating,".
The carbon 14 test is still pending.
But Satyamurthy, proposed that the script inside the urn may belong to 5th century B.C.
I was under the impression that sanskrit was used to write the Rigg Vedas.ive also heard that the Vedas could be as old 9,000 years old according to embedded astronomical alignments in the Vedas. I learned this from the channel Boaz Mysteries
This is is a good initiative....please also have tamizh versions of this too :) 🔱
Thamizh is the mother of indian languages. Malayalam = Thamizh + Sanskrit.
Telugu and kannada mix of Thamizh + Sanskrit + Urdu. Percentage of language of mix varies!.
Lol....
Before claiming these comic
..wish u shud study real history ..
Today ... In social media u will get thousands of research materials ....
Nowhere its proved Tamil is the oldest " ...
In India..... Pali " (Prakrit) is the oldest language and most Buddhist used language "
then comes Kannada "... Only Kannada has " its own inscription proof which belongs to 3ce ...
Talaguppa" ...simha katanjana shasana... Same is official as per ASI..gezett n declaration ...
Kannada script is called kadamba lipi "...
And this script was adopted by
Telugu'
Sinnhala(srilanka) ..
Southern kannada Ganga dynasty took the same to odissa, Bengal, Nepal , mynmar "
Recent .... Archeological evidences proves the fact"
Like ..in Recently a inscription found ' in Kannada called "olakallu theertha"
There is an research going on in mynmar " on kadamba lipi " ...connections too ...
So ... Wait until truth unfolds
@@ShivSidharthGowda
Real History 😂😂😂,
Are you talking about Britishers made fake History ?
This is what is learning in the schools.
There is no chance at all for Kannada.
Not a single letters have found which goes beyond 1500 BC.
You dig .dig..dig deeper and deeper..
I bet you you don't find a single dam thing to prove Kannada is even closer to that.
The oldest epic in India is Ramayana..
In the Ramayana it was only namely mentioned about one language.
That is Tamil.
There is no paali, no Sanskrit, no Prakrit.
Further more..
First Upen you should understand that There wasn't a country call India as a one nation 200 years back.
Paali was existed only in northern India.The aryan rulers of India (central government in collaboration with the European countries) have only Propogated there prideness to the world.
They suppressd the Real history from the outside world.
What they Propogated The history is the one you seems to be believe in.
In India it is said around 100 thousands stone inscriptions have found.
Out of that 60% of is Tamil inscriptions.
In northern India they have done more than 80% of archeological works to prove their Aryans antiquety ...but unfortunately they couldn't find anything..
They tried to prove many places from rachighari in IVC to dried narmada rivar areas to prove..
But, they couldn't prove anything to support them.
Then they quickly close the sites or making a painted or manipulated history over them.
Good example is Rachighari :
The Indian archeologist have found a skeleton from the Harappan sites of Rachighari.
That is only Type of skeleton they found and then with the excitement ,they sent for the DNA test.
But for everyones suprise, that DNA was proven as a Tamilians DNA (it was proven as Tamil irular Caste).
Then they Kept it for quit long time as the secret.
Then later due to some Court intervention they had to release the report.
Then to justify they manipulated the report.
This is how they make the history base on their own needs.
But that is not the real history.
In Karnataka also ,when they did the excavations, what they found is 80% of Tamil antiquity.
But then the Kannada government close those sites and Kept is on the selves.
@@ram0210 bla bla bla .....
I just gave ...u facts found by our own people' .... With still on going researches ...
1... What is brahmi / tamili ???
For which you people calling it ,
For both Tamil and Sanskrit , ????
2... Yes British changed our history ...but it is largely benefited only .... Tamil and Sanskrit speaking people in India
3. Today we have " solid proof as up to 3 rd CE "
only Kannada language has an readable inscription called "simha katanjana inscription" 3rd CE from Talaguppa archeological site in shivamoga Karnataka ... Recently gezetted n declared by ASI " itself ....
The the very Talaguppa site .... Yet to be rediscovered ? When they digging last time ..... They found gold coins " of kadamba " with ಕ' ka" symbol on it ....which belongs to 3 rd CE ...and a brick factory too .... At 2n layer bottom ...it was found to be a huge site of may a Buddhist university ! Chaitya ....then immediately the work was stopped .....this is the same case with ....
Raichur ASI site at "sannati" .. Fortunately where 'the name of asoka" and his pictures carved on stones found again this work also ....stopped indefinitely ???
4. Karnataka has been the Epicenter of Jainism and still we practice it in our culture .... Have u know anything about bahubali' statue in shravanabelagola" .....
This site .... Stands in daylight ....uncovered sound n healthy even today ......which belongs to earlier than 500 BC ... Hundreds of inscriptions available there
I can go on .... These are all facts available on net
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What is the earliest proof of Tamil or Sanskrit language !???
U people calling a script which belongs to earlier period than 12th CE .....the brahmi /
Then what was .....your people writing poems in
1...sangam period (if it is exists) is it brahmi Tamil or something else
2. Same with Sanskrit ....look where u identify a language as brahmi in recent times ...but on other hand u guys claim Sanskrit/ Tamil as a million year old ....???
World needs ....ground proofs than bhashans .... Until u prove n provide us evidence .... Stop spamming
@@ram0210 irula? A tamilian ???
The name itself .... A Kannada origin ....
Irula . . means
night man" /woman
Badaga... Means
day man/ woman
Beda ... Hunter
Kuruba.... Sheeper
Jenu (the base word for your Tamil 'tenu'...)
Kuruba .... The honey gatherer
Dude ..... In our Hampi University ...we do have elaborate n extensive study programs ....on these early Kannada tribal ' ancestry ....
The nilgiri people will also ..comes under this program
There is a hilly tribal communities from Madhya Pradesh ' .... Too comes under this programme
😁😂😂😂 I don't know in which age u r in .....
@@ShivSidharthGowdaBrother read about linguistics!.
Read about proof of Thamizh language and civilization.
How many classical languages in the world?.villages of North, northeastern states, Pakistan, afghanistan villages names are also in thamizh. Read about it.
Read about archaeological scripts in India!.
Read about the age of buddha and thamizh sangam period!.
brahmi had influenced the scripts of SE Asia as well, so there could be more branches than called out in this vid - understand is India centric
Please make a detailed documentary on the "Edukkal caves" found at Wayanad Kerala.
Wwas the old tamil brahmi script not related to the script from IVC? You mentioned in your other video that the artifaccts uncovered in Keeladi showed script used in the IVC. Couldn't the later tamil script, called tamil brahmi be related to that?
வணக்கம் 🙏🙏🙏