Masters of Masters Keyblade Animal | Kingdom Hearts Theory
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- Everyone of the Master of Masters's apprentices have an Animal Motif that supports their mask and their Keyblade, Luxu only has a Keyblade. What could the be the Animal that belongs to the Master of Masters?
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What about that cat on the box art, it could have been purposeful also a sora is a type of bird I'm pretty sure
isnt the no name the master of master's keyblede tho
cause for my knowledge the short movie in kh 2.8 (forgot the name of it btw) doesnt that show a scene where the master gives the keyblade to luxu, even mentioning that the eye it has is his eye that lets him see the future or something
making the no name his keyblade, well thats if i missed something that disprove the thing i mentioned
@@Zenoc_gamer kind of, I mean all that you said was true but he's also the one who gave the other fortellers keys too so it might not be his personal key
HMK I think you should take a look at the details of the 7 demon princes who embody the 7 deadly sins. The master of masters symbol that’s on the book of proficiencies resembles Lucifer’s symbol. Lucifer is the embodiment of Pride and something to bring up when Lucifer was still an angel his symbol was a Dove then it became a demonic lion looking thing. I have more stuff to tell if your interested just let me know
Unicorn (wrath)
Swine (gluttony)
Fox (greed)
Snake (envy)
Bear (sloth)
Lion (pride)
Goat (lust)
a friend told me this and i thought of it too:
-The Extinct Wrath (Unicorns actually represent Innocence and Ira is quite gullible) (Unicorn)
-The Hungry Hunter (Leopards are quick hunters and Gula is hungry of knowledge as he take prematurely conclusions) (Ose - Flauros)
-The Envious Viper (Vipers often follows their instincts, but Invi follows all the rules to a T.) (Leviathan)
-The Sleeping Defender (Bears often hibernates and are very protective, which Aced's role is being the right-hand of Ira.) (Behemoth)
-The Gathering Mystic (Foxes are always tied with mystery and Ava's "gathering (or greed)" is The Dandelions) (Kyubi)
-The Obscure Temptation (The Sabbatic Goat is tied to lust being the devil itself and Luxu's identity was hidden until the last "tempted" body. (Baphomet)
-The Masterful Pride (Either Dove or Phoenix (my friend said Owl), birds are often depicted as elegant and skilled predators. Owls are connected to wisdom, hence why Superbia is the "Master of Masters") (Phoenix)
It's veeeeeery convoluted, so i guess it could not be like this at all.
Your explanation/theory is really good
Also their “eyes” you can’t forget that
Nomura would be like - " Thanks for the awesome idea hmk "
Stop spoiling Kingdom Hearts 5 🙃
Or kingdom hearts 3.2, 3.4, 3.56/2, 3.8
another point in favor of Dove: One sky, One Destiny. You've already spoken about the Sky part and it's relation to doves, now let's take destiny as the important word. As you've pointed out, Dove's are a symbol of marriage. Marriage is a symbol of connecting 2 souls for eternity, in other words, Marriage is a form of intertwining people's DESTINY, thus relating back to the saying. With the Dove being applicable for both sides of MoM's signature saying, it's becoming more likely for his symbol to be a dove
Probably a Lion, Griffon, or Peacock as they're associated with the sin of Pride. The animals of the foretellers appear to be connected to the 7 sins.
Gustav Ju I would love a peacock themed keyblade
Clarification: MALE peacock.
Rosso would like to know your location
What if theres a 7th missing forteller? MoM is the master of the foretellers but hes never been called a foreteller himself. Remember the black box that said "X-Super" on the lid? And that "Superbia" is the latin name for "Pride"? I think that there is a 7th foreteller who is locked inside the box, who was also the traitor as he/she bears the sigil and did not follow his/her role (because he/she was locked in a box). Pride being what it is maybe the missing foreteller tried to overthrow the MoM and was locked away because of it.
Gustav Ju if its a Lion, then its Sora because his original artwork was a lion with a chainsaw keyblade
Master of masters is in the box, confirmed. he just waiting for Sora’s wedding day to pop out.
Luxu: Is that you, master?
Master of Masters: *takes off hood to reveal Luxu*Haven't heard that name in a loooooong time!
Luxu: EXCUSE ME!?
This...made me laugh a little too much😄
Jajaaj sh aj
So first I thought "manticore" a fusion if the "missing" animals, the scorpion and lion, as well as having wings depending on the depiction either bat or eagle wings
But Dove makes more sense
But I like that thought process! A Manticore could be awesome!
Personaly I think it could posibly be an Angel because Pride is the sin of the fallen Angel Lucifer and alot of anime Japanese media usealy depict the devil or beings like him as half demon half angel
It's cloud and sephiroth, done theory confirmed 😂
@@victorvidal6728 Also Lucemon Fall Down Mode
@@victorvidal6728 One wing Angel Intensifies
I’d say a Lion since he represents pride
Edit: nvm, you said it just as I finished writing
EHHHHHHHHHH Keep watching! LOL
HMK Id say a chimera. Lions head, Goat horns and Dragon wings with a snake like eye. Think a Chimera is fitting
I was there when all that went down on Twitter. Was awesome to read through and this vid was awesome to watch.
A personal theory of mine spawning from the Demyx theory is that MoM left so that he could personally see a period in time that was previously obscured to him. Given that Luxu's keyblade wasn't in use much from KH1 to DDD and thus wouldn't be seeing much, he might've gone to that time himself to know what he was missing.
The Doves bit ties into that theory nicely. He's only one guy, so even if he is Demyx he'd only get one viewpoint. How to get the others? FLY MY PRETTIES, FLY!!! Like you said on Twitter, he has the Doves do the wingwork for him wherever he can't be. Would be amazing if that's the case and future KH titles use that. Like have a dove following Sora wherever he goes while MoM is watching Riku.
Everyone’s talking about the 7 sins. What about the 7 Virtues?
Charity
Chastity
Diligence
Humility
Kindness
Patience
Temperance
Doves mean hope
The box is said to contain hope
So the master of masters himself will pop out of said box like the jester he is and reveal himself to be.
Demyx
What about Sora being the dove representation and the master of masters being the crow. Essentially the opposite of the dove. Haven’t really thought of it that much but it would be scary to see.
Scorpion sounds dope with (xigbar) luxu.
Makes sense. Scorpions literally backstab. Literally. Backstab.
If its a lion it only supports the theory that sora and MoM are the same cause sora's
original concept design was a lion-human hybrid.
I really love your crazy theories! They are always well researched and hype. If this is true then congrats you figured out Nomuras riddle!!
I really love how he leaves mysteries like this!
The masters of masters original keyblade is Way to dawn it has a demon wing and angel wing like in the symbol and it has the Eye of the masters of masters.
But it doesn't need to be the last evolution of the keyblade first it was soul eater and it had the eye too the keyblade that followed was way to dawn so maybe the last evolution of the keyblade is the original form.
The dove sounds interesting. And the dragon, wolf, and phoenix are among my top candidates, but I feel as though the animal could either be a peacock or an eagle. The peacock is due to how vain/proud those birds are of their tail, and the eagle is because they are often considered as the king of the birds
Also think about the other song titles used so far...
Simple and Clean: Young and innocent, free from sin, purity; like a dove.
Sanctuary: Associated with doves for peace.
Don't Think Twice: Lyrics "I want you for a lifetime, so if you're gonna think twice (about marriage), I don't wanna know."
Maybe he's onto something, and if so...
Nomura, you sly fox.
Now that u mention it that Dove theory is sounding alot more plausible.
Interesting how the symbol has a devil wing and an angel wing, maybe it has some connection to Riku with his Way to Dawn Keyblade
A bird... Songbird... The Master of Master is Demyx.
If MoM's animal is the lion, what's another name for lion? Leo. Who's name is similar to Leo? Leon. Who wasn't in KH3? Leon.
Leon=Master of Masters
*dramatic music plays*
You may be joking but that first fight in kh1 might come full circle that way. Itd be interesting
So glad you mentioned the fact the goat on the No Name was originally a Lion. It would make more sense for the MoM would have No Name as his true keyblade as the lion represent pride and his eye is contained within it.
I love the idea of the dove, it's so majestic and it's been a passive symbol throughout the series. Also, while it might just be seagulls, the birds flying through Scala at the beginning might actually be doves too
Yo I'm a believer of the Dove theory. It meshes well with the symbolism and themes of the game.
Doesn't the kh3 opening have doves flying through scala or am I going crazy
If the eye in Luxu's Keyblade is anything to go off, it can't be a lion because large cats have round pupils. I think another big cat would be redundant anyways. A dragon would be extremely fitting since it occurs throughout the Bible; during the Apocalypse, the Devil takes the form of a seven-headed dragon. The Foretellers would be the MoM's figurative six other heads, since they're carrying out his will. "You six plus me is seven."
Alternatively, he's a housecat. Completely unexpected, but completely befitting his personality. And he did create the Chirithy....
If the last Keyblade is (Lion?) Keyblade Of Pride, I could see the wielder being Ventus/Marluxia/Larxene/Emphemer
They’re all shown to have a ton of Pride when it’s time to get busy
Phoenix is super dope tho, and Dove would make sense cause of all the intros
Also Way to Dawn has dove wings, maybe Riku made it from his heart like MoM
Ok, you blew my mind. Take my like and my love.
Fun fact in the divine comedy Dante came across three animals which are the lion, wolf, and leopard. In that source the leopard represents immoderation or gluttony. which I think is gula’s inspiration.
digging that foo fighters reference =D
The Master of Masters Sigil looks like Demyx's sitar upside down...
We also see doves in KH3 opening, with Xehanort and Eraqus, in Scala Ed Caelum, plus what you said, so I think you've came up with somethin ;)
There are multiple animals associated with the seven deadly sins.Here's what TVtropes says:
-For Envy: Snakes, dogs,goats
-For Gluttony: Pigs
-For Greed: Foxes and frogs
-For Lust: Cows, bulls,roosters and goats
-For Pride: Lions,horses and peacocks (you could put them together for the griffin)
-For Sloth: Goats (Man this one shows up a lot.Probably has something to do with paganism),sloths (obviously), bears and donkeys
-For Wrath: Bulls,bears,crocodiles and wolves
So......as far as i know, the unicorn and leopard fit nowhere here (although you can say leopards are a bit lazy but that doesn't have much to do with gluttony), especially the unicorn, which might as well fit under virtues.
What about a dragon they have pride in thier gold and power of being Kings of the sky and land
You know, there's all that talk of the traitor within the Foretellers. You know, in the end, there were multiple traitors. Ira was supposed to lead the Foretellers, but he distrusted and tried to manipulate them, failing his role. Aced was supposed to support Ira, but he lost his temper and split from Ira at the start. Invi was supposed to be a mediator, but she spied on the others for Ira, and widened the rift between them. The only ones who kept to their roles were Gula and Ava, and Ava was the only one who succeeded. The Master of Masters knew what was going to happen. He knew that the Foretellers would recognize that a page was missing. He knew his apprentices. I think the Master of Masters set all of them up, bar Ava, to fail, and set the Keyblade War into motion.
Can't wait to see how next week you tell us what fish the MoM can be
You wanna become a prophet, dont you?
The ultimate forms screams HELL YEAH
this heart is between a wing which can be associated with the Dove, meaning freedom and purity; and a bat wing, meaning the night and darkness. So like Riku and his Way ti the Dawn, a Keyblade transfored by the choice he made to take the Road to Dawn. In the inverted process, we can have a MoM who take a Keyblade of light, and beginning the fall to Darkness, taking the Twilight Road to Darkness, and his keyblade would be a counterpart of riku's, a white keyblade with a bat wing at its top.
Inconnu000 ohh 😮 I like this idea
I have another idea, the doves represent all of the gazing eyes he has scattered around the worlds. Like you said at 7:00 the doves were displayed as if they were watching the events play out. The gazing eyes he placed in the keyblades, not just Luxu, I think the small ones on the key chain is playing a part in it. In every kh game, there is at least one keyblade that you use or the enemy uses, that way he can have multiple perspectives of the outcome. Might explain why the book exist in the first place, because he has both sides of the story... but he stretched himself too thin. Fading away.
He made too many eyes.
I like your idea, but for pride, you can never go wrong with a Male peacock.
What are the animal representations of the 7 virtues? Even though their names are based on the 7 deadly sins, their animal representations could be intentionally representing different animals due to them believing that they themselves aren't evil, then eventually getting twisted over time and showing their true animal representations when they go full dark. The snake seems like the exception because i've seen the snake being represented both positively and negatively depending on the context in various things. Idk, i'm thinking out loud XD
Based on the chess pieces I dont think the Master of Masters will have an animal. He straddles darkness and light with a piece depicting both an angel wing and a demon wing
Then theirs the fact that KH4 will feature Yazora, who Namura said is like a Yin Yang opposite of Sora. I think the master of masters will manipulate the two into clashing for some reason and his outfit will be very Taoist themed.
Nomura is going hard with symbolism and I absolutely love it.
I wish more people loved it as much as we do
Never noticed it before but the symbol in the center of that stained glass circle
the symbol of the book of profecies looks like a master symbol (the ones that aqua terra and ven have on their chests) and it has a dove wing (more likely for light) and a bat wing (for darkness)
Lions tigers and bears oh my!
My ideas
Bats
Dove
Butterfly? Idk
There is a demon/gargoyle head on several keyblades in the series. End of Pain mimics Xehanort’s Keyblade/No Name, except the horns are inverted. Given the bat wings, he might resemble a gargoyle.
Perhaps the MoM is connected to Chernabog, as he was originally the main antagonist of KH. The MoM might just be a human vessel imbued with his will, acting out a plan to unseal him.
I don’t think the MoM will have an animal motif as he is not one of the Foretellers. I hope he looks human, and middle-aged. The series has enough old people and teenagers for now lol
I'd say Riku is connected to the master of masters. With that being said, why does no one look at Riku's keyblade more carefully. He has an Angel wing or dove wing and a devil wing or Bat wing. Next, he literally has a Gazing eye on his Keyblade.
This is a really cool theory. For me it's definitely a close call between a phoenix and the dove. I'm leaning towards dove because there ARE symbolisms for doves in the game, while phoenixes have yet to be introduced to my knowledge.
Damn boi, you really went out with this one :D Favorite was "I'm not craaazy!!!" xd
One Sky, one Destiny.
I think you might have hit the nail on this one. And the whole marriage thing could be to blur the lines (or worldlines specifically) to join them together. Why? Who knows? But that's my thought process for now.
I think that it is a major possibility, I mean Nomura is a kind of person to make any idea that initially sound off the rails of a normal train of thought work, but I would probably prefer a Dragon Theme, or perhaps even a Dinosaur Keyblade
A random, very unrelated thought occurs, in mythology, your typical depiction of a chimera is a beast with the head of a lion...and a goat, or a ram rather. This isn't really going anyway in particular, just a thought that came to mind if the MoM is represented by a lion and Luxu is represented by a goat; additionally chimeras are also depicted with a snake as their tail, of which another of the Foretellers are represented by a snake.
But I would dig the HELL out of the MoM being represented by a phoenix or birds in general, I've got a soft spot for bird symbolism in fiction so it would definitely be cool.
Also the missing girl that kept being spoken that Xigbar took could have been Ava. Hence why at the secret ending Xigbar made it obvious to state Ava is not here. Hinting at she was the traitor so he could just be making it look like she was to cover up the fact that he was the traitor all along.
AS THE PHOENIX RISES FROM THE ASHES!!!!!!
Interesting… Scorpions by mythos design share a ton of common threads with Snakes in mythos, especially when considering zodiacs. I wonder if the goal was to draw a parallel in that sense to make the distinction.
I’m still partial to a crow/raven being the motif the Master uses. Omen of death and bad luck, watchful servants of Odin (can of worms for Xehanort’s master in KHx), and many stories pertain to why crows/ravens have black feathers.
So does anyone think that each of the Foreteller's personalities seem to be associated with the Seven Heavenly Virtues?
I think a Gryphon would be the best representation, half lion and half bird, because the MoM seems to have a dual personality, but it could also mean a balance between opposing sides. Plus if Sora is somehow the MoM, his original concept design was a lion boy, and I think it would be interesting to see that idea repurposed somehow.
It's been a long time since I slept through my religion classes at Catholic school, but lions and eagles also represent evangelists too. Saint Mark's lions in Venice, Italy (VENice) have a long and colorful history, including frequently being depicted with books, and I believe that if the book was closed that meant the city had been at war.
It's said the No Name was forged from the Master's Gazing Eye, Luxu is just the odd one out, Nomura is probably saving a Scorpion themed keyblade for when Luxu may have to go all out against Sora.
Doves also were found everywhere in Scala Ad Caelum
Actually the goat is more commonly associated with lust but I suppose it depends.
I almost wanna say “the best theory you ever came up with” but I think I used that already
His animal would be the lion if we go by his potentail name, the word Super on his box and the name theming of the Foretellers and Luxu.
Presumably his name is Superbia and thus he would be the Lion of Pride.
*Nomura:* shit, he found out
Hey HMK
This is a completely random thought i had regarding the "traitor" in khux that you brought up. You may think its Invi (cuz she is the only reptile of the fortellers)
But i kinda lean more towards Ira being the traitor. For a few reasons:
1) if we go by "out of place animals logic", Ira's animal is the only one based on a fictional animal (plus his animal would also be the only strictly known Herbivore animal unless there is a myth out there that says they also eat other animals)
2)(correct me if im wrong) in KH X backcover through out the movie all of the fortellers, Luxu and MoM said "may your heart be your guiding key." All of them except for Ira........... Coincidence?
3) (this may not be as important but) when the MoM was giving Gula his task he said that whoever shows interest in the missing page may be the traitor. And who do we see mentions the missing page first....... It was Ira!
Anyway thanks for reading this linger thought ive had for a while. I just had to share my thoughts.
And remember im not a theorist or anything so you can ignore this if you want (=w=)
Maybe he doesn't have an animal because he's the hecking master
Maybe his symbol is just the Heart, like on the cheese piece
What if Sora’s the lion? A male peacock would work really well with his personality and they can fly. Pecocks are the animal associated with the Greek goddess Hera. If we are using FF7 as reference, then a one winged angel could also work. It could show that he isn’t as high and mighty as he seems or something to that effect.
Now you mention this animal motiff and symbolism. Three of Xehanort's reincarnation, have final forms have some resemble about an animal. (KH3) Master Xehanort's armor is shaped like a goat. (KH2) Xenmas's armor is similar to a knight or king. But his flying base is a dragon. (KH) Ansem, the Seeker of Darkness, hr have no form related to an animal, but an eldritch adbomination.
As for your take of MoM's animal spirit could be the Dove. A black dove or white one. I checked the symbolism, that doves represent purity, salvation and peace. In Slavic folklore, the doves represent the passing of a soul, ascending to Heaven and finding peace after death.
A dove? The Master of Masters, who is supposedly the next main antagonist after Xehanort (unless it's actually Luxu since his black piece is placed in the middle of all the other black pieces in the epilogue and not the Masters), and his spirit animal is a dove? The least threatening animal from all the other animals used by the Foretellers and Luxu. I'm just trying to imagine an Armored MoM with a dove for a helmet. It's so absurd yet the guy is gonna pull it all off.
This is a deep theory man
I like the dove theory. Why? Because it strengthens the ties between him and Sora.
I'll be upfront and say that I predict the Master of Masters is a matured Sora from another timeline. Given that it's Sora who's so closely resembles doves--doves are often messengers and signs of hope, and who is the biggest sign of hope in the KH universe?--it'd just make sense for his future version to also be strongly associated with doves.
You can take this to the bank!
Yaaaaaaaaas. The dove actually does make sense and could tie into it all even more. We’ll have to see, but I enjoy the dove idea.
Could still see it being a lion maybe too though. Especially if he has to do with anything related to Sora, maybe even Noctis, or what a Lion represents.
MoM could also be a character based on Nomuras own feelings, how he views himself or the individual in general. He said in an interview that the oldest drawing he has or remembers was a drawing of a Lion from when he was a kid. Maybe that morphed into some different expression or idea as he got older.
while Dove is interesting I'm thinking either Phoenix or Dragon. Mostly because Luxu completed his role after conflict. Phoenix because of "Rising from the ashes" but Nomura could pull from Dissidia (a series that had potential to be a kingdom hearts game) where a dragon (Shinryu) is feeding on the seemingly endless war to gain power. it's only when the heroes and villains (light and dark) come together that they are able to vanquish it
Then what if the black box has MoM's keyblade then?
So was Luxu presented with a keyblade prior to his being given the Master’s keyblade?? Did the other Foretellers have their keyblades at this point and Luxu didn’t have one? Or was Luxu gifted the Master’s keyblade and never used his original after that point??
Let's combine two theories 1; the animal connection, and 2; Demyx is the master of masters. so we have a big cat, a canine, bear, serpent, goat and a mythical creature, what is missing? My idea is that an aquatic animal is missing and either a Shark or Squid could be the animals of the master of masters. I'm basing this off the pillars of water that Demyx summons during his fight in KH2.
7:25 theorycrafting by word association lol
Its a Lion, the same Animal that Young Xehanort's keyblade have.
Lion is the one that represent Pride
That is an AWESOME theory!!! But one thing I want to know but probably have to wait until UX is over, but I want to know what are the new union leaders purpose now? It changed when Brain brought Ven, Skuld, Lauriam etc to the future. I wonder what role they will play now.
Pretty much like butterflies in kirby, as they act as emissaries with morpho knight
Okay so if he does represent a dove, and that wing that looks basically EXACTLY like a dove on that chess piece. Is in fact his piece and his animal is a dove okay. Then my question is what animal does the other wing represent. Who does it represent? Still the MOM or is that last chess piece?? What I don’t know? Could the MOM have two animals that represent him? Both with wings?? Representing both his natures, almost like a duality of sorts? Idk why but the chess piece with the different wings has me more intrigued then anything regarding the MoM. If that’s even his piece (which it likely is)
It's a good thing he didn't mention doves in a cake
Why not an Eagle? Since the gazing eye is seeing everything, it goes in line with the like the adage Eagle Eye? Just a thought.
I would say that master of masters would be a crow/raven since he sees everything. Maybe I’m thinking a little too Norse though.
Infantry Gaming oh, do you mean the 2 raven eyes of Oden?
Yes I was going down that line of thought.
I see how you associated that a dove could be the Animal Motif for the Master of Masters. But what is your theory for the wing on the left side of the symbol?
I just wish someone could explain why xahanort has a goat mask during his final fight. It kinda shocked me knowing the goat is assosiated with demonic demon stuff. Not something one would expect to see in a kingdom hearts game.
Wrath is also symbolized with a dragon. Now that would been a cool union to join if Unicornus had a dragon for a mascot. Though a dragon would also be good for the Master of Masters.
I was thinking like half of the master of masters keyblade could pure white and have a dove wing on it, and the other half could be black with a bat wing or a raven wing or crow wing or something, cause on tbe crest in the middle, one half is a bird wing and the other is a bat wing, to symbolise him being balanced
noir lilbomber did something like this with the animals/ 7sins and a heart-blade theory earlier
Isn’t Luxu’s keyblade the MOM, since we saw him hand it to him and say ‘here, take it’
Sora is a lion in the world from Simba and the concept art from Sora (KH1) was a human/lion. Coincidence? I don't think so.
I thought that the master of masters animal could be a peacock. There animals might also represent their personalities.
I remember all this going down mainly cause I had just woke up when you were asking us what we thought it could be
@HMK your not looking at the whole symbol one is a angle / bird wing the other looks like a demon / bat wing possibly a dragon wing. i think that the Master of Masters’s animal should be a wolf for any of the following: guidance, Alfa is in alfa leader / dominates over the others.
I need the MoM to have an intro song and it needs to be Burn by The Cure.
MIND BLOWN!!!