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- Filmed on then day of Local Elections in the UK, May 2 2013. UKIP gained a record number of seats shaking up the political establishment at Westminster. Classic debate with Dimbleby in the Chair. An edited version.
View the full Programme here:
Part 1 • David Starkey Harriet ...
Part 2 • David Starkey Harriet ...
Dimbleby was laughing and smiling until he was called out, what a slimebucket
Did you catch when he had a dig at Jacob Rees Mogg about him attending Eton. JRM replied "Yes that's right David, I was there with your son" Boom!
Like the Snow family. It is all about knowing the right people.
@@cyclist68that was epic
Harmen had a hard time when she came into the HoC because she was a woman? She probably wouldn't ever mention Thatchers struggle though when she came into Parliament in 1959 now would she?
Or Barbara Castle, Pat Hornsby-Smith, etc.
Great to see David Dimbleby squirming. He looked terrified because its so true.
“ leave me out of it” dimbleby !
He was laughing until he was called upon
@@serenityinside1 true isn’t it, a pure product of BBC elitism
Just watch the Question Time clip where he points out that Jacob Rees Mogg went to Eton...... He squirms even more at Moggs response! 😁
@@neilcraig7254 stupid of Dimblebore to say that. Like a lot , if not all, high achievers who have enjoyed a privileged background, socially, economically, educationally, they prefer to attribute their success down to personal brilliance and hard work rather than good fortune. Look at the buffoon who is our current PM
Yes, the Coren children are certainly a bunch of 'system workers', can you imagine that Giles ever getting a job on merit?
At least Victoria is slightly clever, Giles really is thick
i saw this live and thought it was fucking great
Harriet Harman claims credit for something Barbara Castle achieved long before she came in.
And Margaret Thatcher
Starkey was right here. Koren is so elitist she was stoutly defending an Oligarch personal friend of hers the other day. She was born into privilege and has reaped the benefits since.
Great pair of jugs though.
Haha david starkey doesnt give a damn
Specifically about facts
Adam Balding Protesting a bit too much? Enjoying yourself by the sound of it.
He does, but about what matters and not about virtue signalling.
Coren got to her place totally through her father.
Her father was a world class poker player?
@@robcousins231 easy to keep a poker face when you've still got a cool million in trust funds
could've spent years learning and practicing, given that she didn't have to work for a living
give me a fat cash injection and a few months to train, I'd be a top dog in no time
@@core-nix1885 No you wouldnt.
I do not like former-"wheel-on" or "go-to prof"* Starkey for the BBC.
However, on this occasion , he knocks it out of the park - and with the validation of hind-sight, correctly identified the missing 50% or more disconnected moiety of the electorate that voted Brexit in June 2016. A shock for the other 50% of the electorate represented by "politics as a profession" panelists like Harmann.
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*regardless of topic/expertise required
"hereditary journalist/comedian" spot on.
Like Starkey, you say Coren has no comedic talent. I disagree. and while we're about it, how many poker tournaments had daddy won?
fhebbert
Where? I didn't say that she has no talent and neither did Starkey. That was not the point or at least not mine. I don't think she is talentless and it is not a criticism of her - far from it. She has however followed (at least in respect of her role as a journalist/comedienne) in her father's footsteps. Not her fault of course but one cannot help but suspect that some of her success (at least initially at least) may owe something to her father...just like Dimbleby himself. I suppose it is therefore a mixed blessing to have a famous parent!
they totally missed the point of what was said by starkey, they copped out by choosing to take it as a personal attack, when really what he was saying is that there's a big disconnect between public opinion and political decision making because of an echo chamber effect in the govt/media establishment
doesnt make it any less true
It's a fair point, though he uses a very small sample set of two on the right who came up from "nowt," the first time he's probably ever used that word, to back up his spurious claim that it's a liberal left issue. The House of Lords is hardly full of Che Guevara posters. We've just had almost the entire Johnson family from the right on our reality TV screens.
@@glammer Quite right. His implication that only liberals or the left-wing share and hand down places in the media or polity is utter baloney. The panel of any given Question Time is not representative of the establishment as a whole.
Don't follow leaders and watch the parking meters.
@@sassquatch72apeape10 I'm on the pavement, thinking about the government
Harman being as hypocritical as usual with an equally condescending answer
Victoria Coren is so irritating. She can't say the simplest of things without a huge surge of "By golly I hope I sound intelligent" running through it
mellowb1rd Everyone hates someone. Sometimes for the the weirdest of reasons. Makes you feel glad to be born into this world
mellowb1rd yes shes the typical pseudo intellectual bourgeois ideologue.
mellowb1rd True, but you would, wouldn't you?
Nickel arse After that twats been there!! Probably not.
thunderc45 Yeah, fair point. Having taken that on board, I probably wouldn't.
Ugh he's so correct
Harrit Harman worked alongside PIE in the 80'S
david starkey is epic. it was awesome when he called out the smug tw4ts on that panel for being lucky heirs who didnt have to struggle and they got triggered ( especially dimbleby) LOL bravo, starkey!
100% correct. David Starkey nailed all of them.
Starkey is spot on. He calls out the privileged who pretend to be likecthecrest of us, their goal is power, they are narcissistic in the full bodied meaning of the word.
He's a horrible, self-obsessed Prick, and his comment here are him to a tee. Yes. He came from humble beginnings, but he sure as shit ain't humble now, because he now views himself as an elitist academic who is cleverer than his peers. I came from nowt. I have stuff now, and so I don't want to give my taxes up.
You can almost excuse a privileged person for being a snob, because they were brought up to be self-entitled and know no different.
He, in the other hand, us the worst kind of snob. A working class one. A little rat, who climbs a ladder and then promptly pulls it away from anyone else, to stop them from being able to climb it.
He'd never be spot on if he lived to be 150 years
@@johnwaters9899 If you think he's the one who's pulled up the ladder, you have your head up your jacksie. Absolutely clueless.
The privileged have a huge sense of entitlement.
Harriet Harman sat opposite me on a train from St Pancras, whilst her PA sat next to me. Ms Harman decided to talk to her PA requesting that she ask me a couple of questions. She did that at least twice in my earshot ( as if I was death). Rude, arrogant, out of touch and stupid is how I describe her. David Starkey was spot on about her.
No surprise to hear this !!
@@timcolledge3732 You can hear it because you are not death, I mean deaf.
He was. She is a very irritating and arrogant woman. David Starkey is RIGHT.
@@RichieBedfellows typical leftie, go on, cancel me 🤣😂
She is also an enabler of the worse type of predator and I'll leave it there. Do your own research , skeletons dwell in her cupboard.
He's right, he's a popping jay but he's right.
In what way did Harriet Harman fight for equal pay, given that the Equal Pay Act was enacted in 1970 and she became an MP in 1997?
She Became an MP in 82, but you're right . The left like to pretend they are out confronting grave injustices (Crobyn and Abbott) when most of that work is already done.
B.T.W. P.I.E. means Paedophile Information Exchange. I believe her husband was affiliated with the group. He became like her a Labour MP.
Harriet Harman became an MP in 1983.
@@PeterRIGBY08 Thank you. Albeit the point stands then.
Those were the days when a discussion could be had.
Not really, it's just worse now than it was
Call this a discussion?
Its fascinating watching this 9 years later after the 2016 referendum. I often find Starkey is an old git but he was absolutely bang on here. And his summary of the backgrounds of the other people on the panel is also bang on.
Yes, but he's a preening, arrogant twat.
Wow. Are you watching from the future?!
@@Daveinnorfolk not the brightest, are you, dave?
David Starkey would probably agree with you that he can be an old git.
David Starkey has his plusses and minuses just like anyone. I didn't like his attitude towards Laurie Penny. However here he is totally accurate and needed. We actually needed someone of his intellect and strength of character to take down the hypocritical Harriet Harman and the complacent Shirley Williams. I am not on the right like Starkey is, but we deserve better than this champaign Socialist and this disgustingly smug Liberal both of whom are from privileged backgrounds.
Starkey has a point here but he's such an attention-seeking provocateur that he trips over his ego while making it.
Has a point here? But he was proved to be wrong in his views -Wasn't he?
His attention seeking ego is his point.
That's true
Starkey can trip on his own ego as many times as he wants as long as he is totally correct in his description of the privileged nobody’s that make no contribution to the working class’s fight for a better life.
But he makes no pretence ar false modesty and that's an honest position. Unlike the ego-based virtue signallers who delude themselves.
Harperson might like to remember that when she joined the House of Commons, there was a woman Prime Minister. That women fought to prove that women could do the job equally as good, or better as a man. Harmen fought for positive discrimination so that women could get jobs regardless of whether they were the best person for it.
@uklum 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Starkey is the academic historian version of Jonny Rotten :)
of Nigel Farage more like
I think his point was more about a general feeling amongst the electorate, not (perverse as it may seem), about what politicians have actually achieved. They'd long gone off topic by the time Harman started defending her position. I think it's an entirely fair point to say that there is a kind of educated and often London-centric elite which feeds directly into the political party system (and other 'high flying' areas), and which most people have no point of relation to whatsoever.
The working classes were so fed up with rich liberals telling them how to live, it ultimately led to Brexit, protest vote indeed it was…
You've got to admire Starkey's chutzpah in giving himself a licence to be right wing because he "came up from nowt"
I think that’s a likely outcome. Against-the-odds success often seduces people into believing in a functioning meritocracy, leading them to right-wing ideas. It’s a very “I made it; what’s your excuse?” way of looking at the world.
ultimately starkey is correct.
He's wonderful.....
Starky is rude, but most of what said was true and he was spot on with UKIP. Brexit only happed because of a weak government failed, allowing a strong voice in UKIP to succeed.
Coren 1 Starkey 0
wow remember when question time was
actually entertaining.
Fiona Bruce should go back to talking to old folk, getting grannies vase valuated.
As usual David destroys the weak politically-correct out of touch hacks that are so typical of Question Time
"Don't you patronize me.." Girl, you would be a nobody if it weren't for the patriarchs and matriarchs in your family whose coattails you rode in on...
i remember watching this at the time and how how wrong was i. david starkey spoke the truth and the other ppl are proper cowards.
he's the coward, calling people but he daren't look them in the eye for a second.
God Bless you David Starkey
There is no God and if there was he wouldn't bless that obnoxious piece of work
When QT was worth watching. Haven't watched it since it became woke, and panelists became frightened to say what they really think, or dare not speak about elephants in the room, for fear of backlash, so just speak in platitudes instead.
Alot of the what the BBC does is woke & biased, not just QT...why i cancelled my TV licence.
@@martinjohnson9316 there’s endless cringe in nearly every single programme and column the BBC produces.
I don’t blame you for cancelling. It’s painful and alienating.
@@rebellion2054 The BBC wokeness has even spread to the radio ''World service'' overnight. I am sick of tuning in at say, 3am, thinking i'll be safe from it and there's a programme about LGBT black americans being disadvantaged in 1960's USA. Nothing against that minority of people per se, BUT you'd think they were a majority, the number of programmes the bbc makes about them. Bias in action!
You can always tell when someone is used to privelage in their daily lives, they 'see' and 'identify' with the struggles the working class have to put up with. Yeah, just until they go around the corner and wash their hands.
David Starkey brilliant...
The very last point made by Ms Coren, that peaceful protesting is ignored, is spot on, and something I have always said. Its the reason we are allowed to do it.
Victoria Coren the only sensible one there by far. Starkey off on one - "my mum used to scrub floors" oh grow up!
The women having a go at him were all ignoring the point he was making either deliberately or because they didn't understand it.
Starkey is a baller.
Harriot Harman, Victoria Coren and Shirley Williams, shown up for what they are by a brilliant historian and anylast. When parliament goes, these three stooges will go with it. Let's make it sooner, rather than later.
Harriot and Victoria left.
If you come from a working class background in the UK it is very difficult to move up the ladder and it is dominated by middle class establishment figures from the media to politics to business such as Coren, Harmen, and both sides of the house.
i'd disagree with this, you can climb the ladder, in fact a majority of working class people have done precisely that since thatcher and then blair made social mobility a key part of their bribery to the british people at the cost of...well, the rest. however, you will probably only get so far up the ladder before realising just how big it really is. the middle class is now huge, however the differences between the lower middle classes and upper middle classes has probably never been greater.
Vote Labour and climb up the greasy pole
@Aero01 not really, many 'succeed'. that's the point, blair's britain was all about giving out participation medals. half of people under 40 will have degrees. the trick is giving people the illusion of social mobility. you're woefully out of date thinking it's 'the rich', as if we're still in 1922, who make it difficult for success to happen. wrong! true success is impossible because exceptionalism is denied to those who aspire to be something more than being a cog in the machine.
Edward Heath, Margaret Thatcher, and David Starkey made it, but it was certainly hard for them.
@@HP-tm4kj you have no idea. the last 20 years has been an exercise in giving people all sorts of leg ups in to working fr multinationals. many people who became middle class in the 80s and 90s got managerial jobs of one sort or another. and owning your own business as a way to succeed? you must be dreaming. after the last 4 years? it's not the 1950s.
Starkey what an awful human being
Shirley Williams answers the question. People vote UKIP not because they are racist, it's because they are sick of formula politics.
UKIP has allot of racists in the party, but that is quite irelevent. As they've become more popular they have no doubt felt isolated by the more mainstream views that aren't racist. You're spot on, people vote for them because they're sick of the mainstream parties.
I won't vote for them, but i cringe whenever anyone dismisses them as racists. It's just arrogant
theonlylampshade Do a google search and you will find members of the other political parties are just as racist . Not that thats a good thing its not .
@@fredrich99 I feel that everyone is racist, the way you know if they let it affect how they act is the effort they put into educating themselves on racial politics, not just by people like themselves, but also the people who are worse off from it.
If only Coren did think about that responsibility.
I hate David Dimbleby.
Interesting that the two which came from “nowt” are both Gay and both Northern.
It's funny how people make fun of those who speak the truth... David makes 100% sense and is acutely aware of reality... He is mocked by deceivers who don't want people to wake up to the truth.. These smug snobs always aim to make honest people a laughing stock.. by using simple tactics they've been taught... David must always feel sickened by these sort of people.
That’s a very Northern thing. They don’t do all this passive/aggressive Home Counties crap, you get from people like Dimbleby, Coren and Harman and that faux politeness , they shoot from the hip.I like that. It is very refreshing. The Scots are like that too. Love or loathe Nicola Sturgeon, she never ducks a question.
I think that those who dislike David Starkey are always unwilling to accept the uncomfortable truths of the world!
He might have a point here but he ruins it all by being a racist piece of shit.
Such as all tories are scum
That's hilarious. Uncomfortable truths i e. what you agree with. Also, whatever his political views hes just naturally loathsome. Dropped by university and publisher for racist remarks presumably for promoting those uncomfortable truths. Forced to apologise later so had to admit his mistake
Know nothing about Starkey but he came across as a bit of a pompous rude dude.....didn't like letting the women speak without interruption that's for sure. How awesome is Coren tho.
We had already had a female prime minster for three years when Harmen became an MP
9 years on and the UK is out of EU: Result !
Starkey is right on the money as always.
Dimbleby was finally de-throned from QT and his brother from the BBC's Any Questions. Coren, is as smug as her father was.
and how is the country better than 10 years ago?
3:01 Justine trying not to grin like a Cheshire cat
vicoria has come from a safe space of luxury david was spot on no wonder it touched a nerve her husband will be outraged as a man from cambridge its all a stich up by these so called better than you brigade robert webb is just as bad
David Starkey is a legend. BY FAR the most intelligent person in the room.
Have you changed your mind about this now he's been sacked for rascism?
@Catherine Hill It's not about my opinion, it's about the racism.
@@samlangdon9879 It was a stupid joke, get over it!
Starkey is an old fusty dinosaur with old dusty opinions. Don’t let the veneer of old well spoken English man fool you. He’s rarely said anything worthwhile.
David was the most intelligent person in his own mind, that's for sure...
Starkey gone up in my estimation...
... Harman couldn't go any lower because she already is the bottom of the barrel with more faces than a Rubik Cube.
He isn't bn patronising condescending etc he's talking the truth.
Fascinating to watch this now after nearly three years of our protest vote to leave the EU being totally ignored. Starkey was spot on in describing the disconnect between the cosy elites and the lowly working and welfare classes.
Yet Starkie is a member of s cosy privileged elite
@@folksinger2100
Well, as he says, he wasn't born into it. He had to put the work in. I think it's called meritocracy. Or should no-one rise and better themselves in your book?
@@alftupper9359 Almost everyone thinks they 'put the work in'. Most people on earth, no matter how privileged, believe that. It doesn't make them right.
And your nauseating fantasy land britain, the ';lowly working classes' and the 'cosy elites', is like something out of a Victorian baron's most fatuous reveries.
@@thesprawl2361 when the life expectancy between the richest area in the UK to the cheapest is nearly 30 years I'd say there is a cosy class and lowly working class
@@thebigspliffdaddy5470 And you think poor ickle Starkey is part of that lowly working class?
Harriet Harperson is outed and so can't cope with it that she is nearly beside herself with tears of indignation!
Harman is exactly what he said she is. A rich convent school girl related to titled people. Ellen Wilkinson she is not. The people’s flag is deepest red, as long as it isn’t flying over the posh school I went to.
You can’t stump the Starkey
You won't see Starkey (or J Peterson) on the BBC or MSM anymore....WHY.... they can't counter him up upper class liberal B.S
8 years later with UKIP merging with the tories creating a far right party and fucking up the country, I’m surprised you still support them. I guess people like you are partly responsible for the country in it’s state right now. Traitor, you have no right to be mad at liberals when people like you supported being conned (and still do). You have made my beloved country a poorer country with little influence on the global stage.
but you cant burst the bubble of these people obviosly they are so wise and intelligent that cant be put down
How the hell could Dave Dimbles for a minute consider he was free from the classic BBC nepotism tribes. The royal lineage of BBC Dimbleby will likely reign longer than the House of Hanover! My god didn't those leg-up merchants squirm with the notion their presence was merely on the back of their parent's talent
Hes a top dude.
Good old David Starkey
She clearly has a pseudo moralistic stance. Equal pay my ars .
It's odd to watch Starkey place the class card. It's the politics of lacking policy though, the lack of real answers. You don't need results, you just need the voters to dislike the other guy more. And class, race, and principles, are all weaponry when you lack ideas.
@John Morris absolutely; it's perverse when the likes of Farage, Reese-Mogg, even Johnson, present themselves as representing the interests of working-class people. It doesn't take to much searching and back-reading to find who they really represent, and who their political ideologies benifit. And, it's not the ordinary person, that's for sure.
@@waftychizler3994The trouble is that Labour also seems unable to appeal to the ordinary voter. Their last leader from a working class background was Neil Kinnock.
Starkey is fab. Victoria Cohen is even more fab. If she was lucky she could be my second wife. I'll tell the first one when I get home.
😆😆👍
Harriet Harmann should be remembered for fighting for P.I.E. along with her partner.
Starkey-slapped their nepotistic lips off into the car park lol, magnificant moment, silenced but currently re-emerging like the veritable pheonix, I wish him well
Me too. It says everything about how low the BBC has sunk, that they w'ont have him appear again for one mistake he made (and publicly apologised for) yet one of their mainline presenters can get away with the same 'crime' yet still be in a job.
I didn't say she has no talent and neither did Starkey. That was not the point.
ITS IS JUST SWAPPING1 POLITICAL MASTER FOR OTHER
He is brilliant and has balls of steel
Do your thoughts often turn to other men's testicles? Do you find images of those dangly hairy wrinkly things often in your mind?
To me, the most jealous one is Starkey. He makes a good point but then ruins it by bleating on about his mother. As if to say "Your work for women is hypocritical and meaningless because you had a wealthy upbringing." I hate it when people indulge in competitive struggle/poverty stories.
this is fantastic. found it by chance and I'm glad I did. starkey is great!
As a gay man he has an advantage in attacking women like Herr Harman and Williams - a straight man would come over a bit aggressive and unchivalrous (always tricky for a man to attack a woman, cf Kinnock and Thatcher).
Victoria Coren deflated Starkey
Starkey is so correct!!! They hate the truth! I am a huge fan of Mr Starkey and of people who speak the truth!
Starkey hanging out the fishing rods 🤣
Harriet....AAAArmen...what a nasty piece of work.
Harriet Harmon is one big fat reason why I won't be voting Labour!
No idea who David Starkey is but he's spot on here.
Both his Parents are from Bolton, moved to Kendal for work, David was born there and went to Kendal Grammer School.
He’s a famous historian of Tudor England.
Make up an accusation, attribute it to me and insult me for it? Apologies for thinking the level of debate might be a little higher.
If this is a reflection of Farage (supporters) 'politics' its a damning indictment...
You gotta love Starkey..! You're always guaranteed some argey-bargey when he's on any panel.
Bravo sir! 🎉
David is right as usual!
Dimbleby didn't that lol
Starkey is right abd they hate him for it
Excellent David Starkey.
Stopped watching this a long time ago. No David Starkey, no George Galloway, no point.
Harriet Harman reminds me Millie Tant from Viz! Cant stand that woman!
You're just another member of the phallocracy
Well said Victoria Coren
Ms Corens subtle sideswipe @ the old fruitcake and snob Starkey was quite amusing
he is far too clever for poor dopey harriet
Good old David Starkey putting these political elite in their place
Because all Britain needs is a millionaire to rule it and we will be just great...
Bear as Frank
Rabbit as Buster
Fox as Ned
Beaver as Mitzi
Mr. Owl as George
Raccoon as Sammy
Goose as Josie
Skunk as Alice
Franklin as Archie
Badger as Penny
Mrs. Goose as Lolly