⛵️ Designing our dream SAILPLAN with Selden Mast (FULL EXPLANATION) Ep.327
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.ย. 2024
- Our boat is about to start to be built and we need to decide about our sailplan, for that we visited Selden Masts France to talk in details about our mast, boom, sails plan, deck hardware, rigging and much more.
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Consider the furling main (we have one) for sailing with a baby (we don't have one)! It could be very helpful daily. Yes, risk for repair increases.
Exciting guys! :) It was fun to see the factory again :)
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I am not a sailor, but it's interesting to watch the process of designing and building a new sailboat. Thanks for sharing. 😊
Wow, Duca really knows his stuff. His reasoning was most illuminating.
I have been delivering and skippering sailing yachts since the 1980's for a total just over 200,000 miles. I have sailed most rig types in many places. My current boat is a light long easily driven monohull. It has an aluminium fractional cutter rig with three single line reefs in the main. I have done 15000 miles on the boat in the last two years from the sub-antarctic to the tropics and back twice. The headsail is a non overlapping jib so not large. The staysail is removable on a soft furler. I can bend the mast with the backstay to flatten off the main giving almost as much depower as one reef. I can reef the boat from the cockpit by myself in under a minute. Easily. The cutter head means I always have the right headsail on. In the 15000 miles I have averaged just over 8 knots, roughly 200 miles per day. In my view this rig is easily the most flexible and easy to sail. I would have a carbon mast and synthetic rigging in a heartbeat, but $$$$. You couldn't pay me enough to have a furling main. I have sailed with many furling mains and they are all without exception abhorrent. Even if they work faultlessly - which none ever have - you end up with a mainsail with a terrible shape and less drive and appalling windward ability.
In mast furling : “without exception abhorrent” - + 100 ! Perfectly put.
Simplicity
Living on the boat isn't the issue for changes that may be needed on the carbon-fiber mast; it's Duca living on the boat that would result in the changes!! :) I'm so excited for you guys and the process you're going through. Thanks for taking us along. And LOVE the factory tours!!
You might want to check out in boom furling. With boom furling it operates a bit like a normal sail that you haul up with a Hallard, but the bearing for the fur are on the two ends of the boom easily within reach from the deck so you can keep them clean and maintained easily. you might want to check into the Schaeffer in-boom system. It operates the same as a regular batten car with track even though it uses a different track. You can actually look into it here on TH-cam they have a video demonstrating their in boom furling system. Should something go wrong and your sails up and you need to bring it down you can just drop it to the deck in an emergency and just manually put in a reef just like any other sails with just the batten cars and track.
Aluminum mast and boom furling. Everything else should be whatever offers the most safety AND allow single-handed sailing. Thanks for the video.
Absolutely, optimise for shorthanded sailing.
Geraldhenrickson7472 why? Things have moved on! Lighter mast and boom makes my keel more effective.
Wow two year went bye fast.
You should do an orange anodized mast in remeberance of Odd 😊 So happy for you two!!
29:08 I recommend an electric furler. I’ve had both and agree with the line getting stuck issue on manual systems, and I’ve also had a broken electrical furler several times. The electric one was easier to deal with as you can just use a battery drill with a winch socket to furl it. No need to unjam a line stuck in the furler.
Hi Roberta and Duca firstly many congratulations on the news about the baby🍼. When I first left school in 1971 I worked at a sailmakers .From time to time I was offered the chance to go sailing at weekends . It was amazing to hear you discuss "with us" the pros and cons regarding the varying choices of rigging available today. It made me recall with fondness a world which I had almost forgotten . By the way I followed the resurrection of Odd from day 1 and will watch from afar via OOh Toob (🙂) with much anticipation in the future.
Si je peux me permettre de vous donner mon avis, avec 40 ans d’expérience de croisière en mer et avec un mât Sélden, j’opterais pour un gréement 7/8, une grand voile lattée car meilleur rendement au près et deux prises de ris avec retour au cockpit. Quant au patatras, le monter sur une patte d’oie avec un palan pour un réglage fin et rapide. Bonne continuation et bonne chance. J’adore vos vidéos.
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Great episode ! I love the technical aspects of sailing. What a cool couple with so many awesome experiences yet coming your way
Thanks for sharing this process. I made my first blue water passage in 1975 when I was only 22 years old. It was three of us on a 30' wooden ketch rig coming from Hawaii to San Francisco, CA. Seeing all the options you have today is amazing when I think back to what we had then. We had 12V system, consisting of two batteries, to start the engine, power the radio and a few navigation lights. Cabin lights were oil lamps, stove was propane and, everything was manual. At the time I didn't feel like we were lacking, it was just how you did it then. I think my sextant skills are probably a bit rusty now and I do enjoy the conveniences we have today. I still like to keep it simple though, because less complicated systems mean less complicated problems when things inevitably go wrong. So, I like a lot of the decisions you are making for your new boat. It appears you are taking those considerations in to account as you make your decisions. Keep it up you two. I'm enjoying seeing your progress and hope it all goes well.
Occasional viewer here. Great video, very instructive content! You explained in a single video more things about masts and riggings than in the hundreds of other TH-cam sailing channels videos I've seen before. Congrats on your future boat! 👍
sounds like a plan !
most decisions you take are logical for your sailplanning.
I would opt for 2 spinaker poles in carbon : one for genoa / spinaker (long) and one for the jib (shorter) when you go butterfly.
Great video,, packed full of information.
Merci pour ces explications, cela est très intéressant.
I learned a lot! Very nice explanations. Thanks.
You should look at the Strong track system. Basically the track is a high density plastic and the slides are stainless. I added this to our mast a few years ago and would buy again no matter who supplies the mast. When you release the halyard the sail comes down fast. I have 4 winches on the mast and always feel more comfortable going to the mast and have everything I need right there in case of any complications. I had a 4 oz 110% Genoa made for light winds and also use very light sheets so it doesn’t weigh the Genoa down in lights airs. Having at least one electric winch is a great idea. We have one and use it only for furling. I have routed both furling lines to the starboard side where the electric winch is. Finally when putting winches on the coach roof consider using bridges so you can remove the winch without having to take the ceiling down to remove a winch. Forget paint. 5083 doesn’t need anything. Inversalu if you want it.
Our boat is 25 yrs old and we have a selden in mast furler: perfect no issues. Quite heavy main sail. It’s a Fractional rig ca 1.5 meter from top. No baby stay. with a heavy 115 % Genoa on furler ( yes I would go electric also, same angle arguments) and a sprit with a code 75 ( heavier cloth, focused on light weather) its like a cross between code 0 and spinnaker, that’s on a selden top down gx25 furler with a tack adjustable to make the sail flat or more volume . The spreaders are ca 20 degrees and I would do that again for when you remove the back stay. Its safety We have a single backstay with a T block ca 4 meters up to two point on the stern with tensioner on one side. We also mounted a hydraulic boom lift and a boom vang. Advantage of in mast furl: uv protection and endless furl. Ours is manual ( I tried electrifying, in progress) the selden furler motor costs 20,000 euro btw. In general the selden quality is very good. We went through the tail of a hurricane and three other boats lost their mast. We furled 80% in and all went well.
Thanks a lot for sharing you experience Walter, it helps us a lot!! 🥰
Excellent choices and sensible logic... Made perfect sense to me... I like the manual over ride to the head sail roller furler...
As to painting the mast, spreaders and boom. I would probably go with a UV resistant clear coat for the extra layer of protection. The thought of painting the mast head, and maybe the ends of the spreaders and boom, a bright color does sound like an oddly attractive idea.
Decisions Decisions, je suis un grand fan de l'automatisation, cela rend la vie tellement plus facile. L'automatisation sera rentabilisée dès la première fois que vous rencontrerez du mauvais temps et que vous serez au sec et au chaud à la barre, cela n'a pas de prix. Bonne semaine à tous!
Probably too late. But I would (and will!) go with free standing masts. 😉
-No stays or shrouds nor any hardware for them
-No spreaders
-No headsails
-No furling systems
-No big winches
Bonus: making free standing masts rotate, you can reef sails at any point of wind, make them more efficient beam- and downwind etc.
Fantastic explanation. Smart folks simplify concepts and that was perfect. Great teaching!
Single line reefing with a powered winch either side of the companionway is the duck's nuts.😊
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@@OddLifeCrafting And foot buttons, so that both hands are free to handle the lines. Single handed reefing.
I remember all the decisions and work to build the mast for ODD some years ago. This episode brings together all the planning details for new boat plus what you have learned after sailing ODD.. I think the KISS (keep it simple stupid) approach is the best for off shore sailing to remote places. I'm sure the fun will continue. Stay well both of you.
Excellent decision making process, you guys nailed it in one.
Selden are on top of their game, you are building a huge buffer of confidence in your safety and the quality of your sailing futures. Well done! 👍
Nice discussion of the issues! Thanks.
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So the most popular modern cruising jib the sail loft that does big racing boats and performance cruisers has been the 120% which can furl down to 100, 90 and holds its shape very well. Given you guys are going to be loaded with water, gear etc ie heavy I think you will be disappointed with anything under 120% especially a heavy cruiser. Having the modern 120 that holds efficient shape when furled to 100 and 90 also is a major game changer. My new 120 totally transformed my old boat. Absolutely love it. And we sail a windy SF bay on a some what tender boat.
I guess this is one of the advantages of building a new boat rather than buying a used boat, in that you have a greater opportunity of designing how you would like it based on your previous experiences.
For sure!! And you don't need to "adapt thing" they can be part of the boat from the design. 🥰
Wonderful to hear all the progress you are making. Look forward to keeping up with your build. Crazy Canuck
Great video! Enjoyed seeing the different options and thought process of choosing which is right for you.
Yep agreed with most of your thoughts- this is going to be exciting folks! 🎉
These are important decisions that you have to live with for many years, you 100% should take your time to understand each choice, and I can see you have 👍Good job Duca 👍
That's really good information about mast that I didn't know. One of the things that I've heard about carbon fiber mast is that they get UV damage and don't last as long because if it. Could you help me understand this? Also, what is the average price difference between a carbon fiber mast verses an aluminum mast. I'm thinking that the carbon fiber mast is probably three times as expensive as an aluminum mast on average. Is that about right? Get a storm jib for heavy air. My opinion is to keep it simple for less maintenance and cost down the road. I've watched all the videos that Sailing Life on Jupiter has put out as well as yours and he has everything simple. Because of that, he never has anything go wrong. It always works as it should. I'm getting a boat like his and will rig it the same way to keep it simple and make my life easier. I do think that you should have a square top main sail or something similar to that cut because it's much better than having a flat or straight leach. That way your sails will be more balanced which will make your boat balanced and your rudder and auto pilot won't have to over correct or work harder. I'm not painting the side of my aluminum Cyber 48 because painting aluminum doesn't last more than something like seven years before it starts to flake off and look ugly. The only thing that I will paint are the decks and I plan on using white paint so that it's not so hot on my feet. As for now, I'm going with aluminum mast and possibly a carbon fiber canoe boom.
If you can put bend in the mast you can beat to windward better!
Electric sails are great, as long as you can tear it down and clean then lube it. Also is there any gears that are made to wear first that you will need to change every couple years? Just like cleaning your winches and replacing spacers etc..
Keeping in mind that you will have a young child on board, convenience combined with simplicity is better.
This was a rather informative video. I didn't know that there was so much to consider when selecting a mast. I learned a lot from this. Thank you. I have only just started following your story, and am looking forward to your new adventures with Pacifico. Looking forward to watching y'all build her, and am looking forward to seeing your adventures ahead.
Great story I love your trip as an older man may I offer some advice ? You have a child on the way EVERYTHING WILL CHANGE a lot to learn when the baby is born you are no longer in charge nice to watch the process big hugs enjoy the journey
Love your videos.... But this one broke my brain! I am not a sailor so this was a tough one to follow. Always love learning.. so thanks❤
Sorry for that! 😅
Reinforcing the new boat for the possibility of a knockdown might be a consideration.
This old sailor enjoyed your video, as usual.
You should definitely paint the top of the mast orange lol
Guys, it is realy a thing to see you wearing the same chlotes as me or all the rest of us here in the EU.. You were all time long in your swimming shortyz or maximaly had a t shirt and short pants with filp flops or barefoot, but here we have no Carribean weather and jackets and wool hats are a must in the winnter time..
Overall, I am happy to see you here in France close to me and remember that the invitation to Pula(Istria/Croatia) is always valid, right now or after the boat will be on the water.. You guys are always welcome.. 🎉
Great tour, I love a look behind the scenes. 👍👍
Hey guys when the people that try to tell you what to use just tell them when they build their boat they can use what they want you guys do what you want.
DUCA AND ROBERTA I AM SO PROUD OF YOU GUYS AND THE RESEARCH YOU ARE PUTTING INTO MAKING THE RIGHT DECISIONS ✅️ 👏 CANT WATE TO SEE THE BUILD IN PROGRESS....🎉❤..
There are so many decisions to be made ! What about the position of the mast ? How will Your main sail look ? ... This changes the design of the hull and position of the keel .
There is also Schaefer boom furling system. That’s another possibility. One can drop the main sail if you get into trouble
Considering that two will soon be three you should plan for single handed sailing, electrical furling and winches should be bare minimum, otherwise you would always need extra crew.
Bom dia Roberta e Duka.😊😊😊
What about furling boom? Weight of the sail is on the boom when down. Still uses sliders/cars on the mast, and infinite reefing points. If something fails on the furler, unless it locks up, you can still free wheel it up and drop it like a non-furling rig.
Fantastic explanation, it's interesting to watch the process of designing and building a new sailboat. Thanks for sharing. ❤🧡💛
Thank you for the edification. I've got to make all the same decisions for my sailboat refit project. Maybe I should be talking to Selden too.
Sadly, I've been out of sailing for quite a few years, but this video is a wonderful tutorial on thinking through a sail plan and why, or why not, one system is preforable over another. Should I get back in the sailing game, I'll be sure to replay this! 😎⛵👍
Absolutely brilliant insights, I learnt heaps (even though I don’t sail)…, I love being on yachts even though I have no clue about all the control parameters… 👍 Thankyou.
Fractional.rig, angled apreaders, good mast shape amd sail shape and power control. Electric genoa and single line on first amd second main furls: good, safe and quick reaponding options. Aluminium mast is better practical.cruising option. Cannot argue with your choices. Going to be awesome.
Con toda vuestra experiencia navegando será un velero fantástico ya tenemos ganas de verlo,, saludos desde Malaga España
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Duca and Roberta, A wise choice you have made regarding the design of the mast. However, a spreader at a larger angle gives the mast a strong forward pressure at that position. That combined with mounting the forestay at a lower point will cause those forces on the mast further forward. Since there are no opposing forces, doesn't the mast curve forward in an arc?
Uma coisa é certa com todos os conselhos e experiencias juntos voces vao conseguir as melhores soluções com certeza.😄😄😄
É nois.🥰🥰🥰
Surprisingly interesting explanations. Well done!
The family transitions made by Delos, Ran and Aticus all emphasized the need for single-handed sailing. As long as your choices consider this as a priority, all will go well.
I'm on sailing jargon overload---but then, I am not a sailor. It's all good and it'll be cool to see if your ideas work out. The big thing I got out of this episode was seeing Roberta "glowing". I am so happy for the two of you! Thank you.
Love you guys! So many decisions. My head would be spinning. Be well. ❤
Bonjour. Vidéo très intéressante. Est-ce que vous avez envisager le Parasailor pour le petit temps ?
Sounds great, you guys sure did your homework, boa sorte com a nova familha!
Aluminum is probably going to be easier to do running repairs on or, get it fixed or replaced more easily around the world… 🤷♂️ I’m no sailor but aluminum seems to be a more practical long term option… 🙏
Everybody has an opinion and is an expert for your boat. Talk to everyone but make the boat yours. Are you going to make mistakes, yes. Are you going to say, well I should have done this or that, absolutely. We call that life.
Hopefully you've picked an in-boom system, with electric furler, and self-tacking.
fascinating insight to the processes.
Gracias por el video. Felicitaciones. Saludos desde Chile.
Thanks for an Absolutely Wonderful vidclip, just so much information .... SELDON look to be such a Wonderful Company to work with .... Very Best to You Both from ChCh, NZ
Regarding your sail plan For downwind get a Parasailer or Oxley, For light wind code zero or genacker, You will be very happy. Wing on wing is just a pain in the butt and to do it right
you need two poles ,two topping lifts , two downhauls, and four guys, Parasailer does away with all that and you don’t need any poles. easily good thru 60 degrees of swing
I totally agree with your decisions from the point of view of a sailor and a former marine surveyor. You need to have different headsail options if you are a world cruiser.
Excelente desicao desejo que o veleiro seja do jeito que desejam.Muito kegal a fabrica.Muito sucesso.Voces vão conseguir um otimo veleiro❤❤⛵⚓⛵⚓
Enjoying the channel. Tks for sharing.
Adoro a didática e a espontaneidade de vocês🙌🤩🫶🏻
Todas vuestras decisiones me parecen muy razonables y con criterio 👌
Great video! And congratulations. Some thoughts:
The big disadvantage to angled spreaders is not being to let your main out as far as you would like downwind, sometimes increasing your chance of a jibe. Not good for cruising but OK for racing. The argument for reduced load on the backstay is not important. The least load on the upper rig is the backstay.
A fractional rig or cutter rig may need running backstays. a pain in the A** but in a storm nice to have.
Furling in mast means vertical battens and no roach in the main. Not a very efficient shape and ugly in my mind.
Duka I did not know you knew so much about parts of sail boat, what will you use for Ballast
My guess is- boom furling.😉
Acho que a vossa escolha de um mastro fraccionado a 7/8 é ótima na minha opinião, tenho o sistema selden com vela mestra fullbaten com dois rizos e funciona ótimamente, um dos problemas das velas de enrolar no mastro tem a haver com a grossura do tecido e com as posições para conseguir enrolar na perfeição, exige um angulo certo e uma altura precisa da retranca. Os carrinhos montados no interior do mastro não me parece uma boa solução para cruzeiro os exteriores trocam-se com facilidade, etc . Quando vocês passaram pelo Cabanga eu estava lá na flotilha portuguesa.
Sounds like you're making some good decisions for your custom sailboat.
The lazy bag is definitely the way to go. The biggest reason is the sail design and shape is superior to mast furling main sail. Secondary aspect under load dousing a main the in mast systems definitely can jamb up in the worst possible time.
interesting episode. I have my doubts about the amount of electrical systems on aluminum hull boat. Also we could use some more thinking about cause and consequence of fractional rigging with spreaders (and their angles) and mast materials. How all these factors affect each other? Fingers crossed and good luck. I am so happy for your baby.
Very interesting video - thank you! One thing you didnt mention is if you are going with a split or single backstay configuration. I'd be curious to know your thinking on that one.
Sounds like you have all your ducks in a row, Duca. Roberta, how is the pregnancy going, we are more concerned about you and the baby than in house furling sails.
Orange paint has to be put somewhere, even if it ends up on the toilet seat. Honestly the mast is not a bad idea 😉
Schooner rig, I wonder if that company do telescoptic masts
A lot of talk about one-line reefing, so no in-mast reefing nor rolling-bom. Most boats nowadays have angled spreaders so You will too. As Duca like to be able to mount new equipment later You will go with a aluminium mast.
You just described a B&R rig like in the Hunter. So I guess hunters were ahead of their time when it comes to mast rigging system.
Very good video.
Great video! I noticed Y'all really like the color gray!😂 Don't paint the outside of the boat gray....military color, eek!😅 Whatever you decide, I'm 💯% with your decision!! I'm enjoying the process! I would want wenches too!! Your right easier to fix. But since there will be four in the cockpit, 2 electric and 2 non. No push button, I agree!! Take care and have a safe week! ✝️🙏🙏🙏❤❤❤🇺🇸🇧🇷⛵👣🍍🤗
We are actually not painting the boat, it’s gonna be raw aluminium. The ideia of having one electric winch instead of 2 is because it’s cheaper and we are happy to have at least one electric 😁 as we had none before ☺️
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paint is weaker option for aluminum boats- aluminum is soft and prone to galvanic corrosion (in fact some boats use aluminum galvanic protection instead of zinc). So any damage on the hull should be easier to detect if boat isn't covered with color. I am actually very interested to see all the methods and positions of galvanic protection in this project.
@@OddLifeCrafting Thanks!❤️
Great video Duca and Roberta, I have a question regarding the electric Genoa Furling System, Incase if the electrical motors seized up for whatever reason, is there a redundancy on the system to somehow nake sure it's safe or not, instead of that system becoming fully inoperative.
Note: just got to know the redundancy which is absolutely incredible and better for safety reasons.
If you are going to use a fractional rigging system with raked mast and angled spreaders the manufacturer should have a mathematical formula to get the most performance.
Have fun you guys!
Very informative...Thank you...
Glad it was helpful!
@@OddLifeCrafting I am an old school sailor (81 years old) and the latest technology is quite impressive..Hope all goes well with Roberta..Also keep in mind with a baby on board single handed features are more than welcome..