“The requirement of standing, however, has a core component derived directly from the Constitution. A plaintiff must allege personal injury fairly traceable to the defendant's allegedly unlawful conduct and likely to be redressed by the requested relief. 454 U.S. at GO>472.”,and ” The "case or controversy" requirement of Art. III of the Constitution defines with respect to the Judicial Branch the idea of separation of powers on which the Federal Government is founded, and the Art. III [468 U.S. 738] doctrine of "standing" has a core constitutional component that a plaintiff must allege personal injury fairly traceable to the defendant's allegedly unlawful conduct and likely to be redressed by the requested relief. The concepts of standing doctrine present questions that must be answered by reference to the Art. III notion that federal courts may exercise power only in the last resort and as a necessity, and only when adjudication is consistent with a system of separated powers and the dispute is one traditionally thought to be capable of resolution through the judicial process. Pp. GO>750-752.” Allen v. Wright, 468 U.S. 737 (1984) O’Conner Lead op. [verified ] So the personal injury or loss is claimed by the Claimant/Plaintiff and the accussed are the party allegedly responsible for the personal injury or loss. Its a requirement to have jurisdiction to invoke the authority of any court to have a jury hear the claims> “Standing represents a jurisdictional requirement which remains open to review at all stages of the litigation. GO>Bender v. Williamsport Area School Dist., 475 U.S. 534, GO>546-547 (1986).” National Organization for Women, Inc. v. Scheidler, 510 U.S. 249 (1994) [verified] So...if your house catches fire and you didn't start it, then you would be interested in holding whoever you believe is responsible accountable.
The meters are not UL approved (so there is no gaurantee of safety), and Syc : you can use your words and state reasons of your own if you wish. The damages are the house damage (contractor estimates) and the fire department should do an assessment and name the cause of the fire, if they refuse you have conspiracy to aid and abet the harm done to you by the fire department if they cant certify a cause of fire.
ike fun Incoming wiring? Like what they said the power company also owns? Regardless, the fire appears to have started in the meter. If the wiring is at fault, it would be due to a poor install.... by the power company.
+ tin2001 tin2001 The guy specifically, and correctly, stated that the power company DOES NOT own anything but the actual meter itself. Go watch the video again. Also, IMO it clearly looks like the problem occurred in the terminal section of the meter pan. If you don't know what this is maybe go ask a real electrician.
Sorry bud, not true. These meters are linked to so many fires and have been caught on video as the source. A fire investigator can tell where point of origin is. I, as an electronics tech, can tell just by the design these devices are barely able to carry the amperage that is delivered to the home. Poorly constructed devices all in the name of being able to remotely monitor and disconnect.
P Anon: The overload at the poorly built terminals trying to carry the amperage delivered to it and across it is the very failure that caused the fire. The materials used in construction of the device is at fault. Older meters are constructed of a thick, Bakelite material that tolerates higher temps and will not melt under high amperage loads. I am an electronics tech of 30 years.
The fire started in the customer owned base. The meter was actually a casualty of the customers equipment failure NOT the cause of a fire. This happened long before “smart meters” were invented. The problem may occur after the utility changes the meter because the customer owned base was in poor shape and a weak connection got worse from being disturbed. People will say “everything was fine until they changed the meter” but ultimately the customer has to provide a place for the utility to install their meter and it has to be in good enough condition to stand up to carrying the electric load and the utility changing the meter.
Funniest thing I heard today other than an insane president's rant. Speculators have been trying to figure out how to make money on that forever. But it's always so sudden.
Smart meter: *100 issues* Company; There are absolutely no issues Smart meter: *catches on fire* Company: We never installed this meter. These meters are safe. Smart meter: *communicates with other smart meters* Company: This is safe and is totally not a violation of any privacy laws Smart meter: gets the bill for every house around it Company: hey, not our fault
My local power company tried to install that smart meter on my home without my consent. I came home one day from work an caught them in my yard trying to install it. I asked them what were they doing an then told them that they had to put my meter back. Then I told them that they had 5 minutes to do so or I'd come back with my bat. They sent 2 cops an another worker out to my house an said they have to either install a smart meter or they will shut my power off. Well I still have my old meter an my power is still on. In my town 4 houses already burned down to the smart meters an I'm sorry but I like my house just the way it is
So Jason Sauls, not happy with Hydro One? Make sure the news agencies work on this story. *ARSON ALERT* *ARSON ALERT* *HYDRO ONE IS IN TROUBLE WITH CANADIAN LAW AND CRIMINAL LAW* CityNews TV, this story is huge. *BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN REPAIR COSTS TO HYDRO ONE TO FIX THEIR MISTAKE* This is how HYDRO ONE is responsible for every smart meter fire and damages caused by their criminal act. This is how HYDRO ONE has caused every CSA APPROVED METER BASE IN ONTARIO TO BE DECERTIFIED. *So you are asking why would Hydro One do this and put 100% of their customers lives at risk?* *THEY DID IT FOR PROFIT* And they had to work fast to remove all of the safe glass meters and destroy them so there was NO WAY TO RETURN back into service. Let look at just what Hydro One did wrong. Here it is, In Canada you are not allowed to use the power meter as a load-breaking device. “CSA C22.2 NO. 115-14 1.5 says “Meter-mounting devices, as covered by this Standard, are not intended to be used as load-making or load-breaking devices.”, meaning that electricity must be disconnected or turned off during meter exchanges. Aside from the obvious concern about the arcing and consequent pitting which occurs when contacts are made or broken under load, another concern is that one's meter base could lose its CSA certification if it’s been used as a load-break device.” The proper method is to BYPASS the meter with jumper wires or turn off the power from the power pole. *IF THIS METHOD IS NOT USED, THE HYDRO ONE HAS CAUSED THE DESERTIFICATION OF THE HOMEOWNERS METER BASE* So CityTV Toronto, if this story works, I can show you how Hydro One is MURDERING thier customer for a *PROFIT*
Jason Sauls the power company in my opinion has no right to change the meter on someone house unless they ask you for permission it should be left up to the home owner if they want to install the rip-off meter oh I mean smart meter
That’s funny your picture is the being that occult clubs worship and who are the ones that force those meters on peoples homes to cause intentional harm for profit
this is how i feel about it....His system was working just fine before the meter upgrade. if the system on the house is older and the system on the house is the homeowners property and responsibility the power company should have been required to get permission before upgrading the meter. obviously somthing was connected improperly or was not compatible. so in my opion it is 100% the responsibility of the power company to replace what has been damaged. this could have caused this person and his family to lose everything they had.
The hydro company is the one that installed the metre on outdated lines. They knew the metre needed updated lines but installed it anyway. That's their fault. Your metre caused the fire not the homeowners equipment. His stuff worked fine for decades.
It's why I refused to get one. They told a lot of lies trying to convince me to get one, and that I would have to. Twice they stood in my driveway lying to me. The second time, after 3 hours, my neighbor who got one, came over to complain to them that his bill had gone up. After lying to me that they weren't invasive, not a little, a lot, he turns to my neighbor and says, "Maybe you have a leak. That's what's so great about them. We can look and it will tell us where it is....", his voice trails off as he realizes he just admitted it sees past the wall. Caught up in the moment of actually being allowed to tell the truth.. If you accept one, you no longer have an expectation of privacy in your home. The govt told you needed a door frame, that is left wide open so they can come in anytime they want...and you allowed it. You have no defense. I have a generator and live in a place where there is no noise by-law, so if they ever try to force it, and I think they will try, as it isn't just about hydro, they want access to your :smart, (only smarter than the consumer who buys them), devices. I use no wireless. No cellphones. Even blessed with the fact you can't get a cell phone signal in my house. I only buy "dumb" products. It's funny, I had never heard of a hydro meter catching fire or being the blame of the start of a fire, before they put smart, (only smarter than those that accept them), meters in. So I did a Google search for any examples. "No results found for "mechanical electricity meter found to have caused fire"." You get lots if you take off the quotation marks, but they are all about "smart meters" causing fires...and there's lots of them. When it comes to this topic, I find a lot of people trying to sell bovine excrement. If it isn't in my knowledge base already, I research it. I tend not to give much validity to anecdotal stories, without something to back them up. They tend to be without substance. If you weren't the top comment, you wouldn't have these trolls. Go down to someone who said they same thing, who has no votes, and see their reply comments there. Oh, they don't have any. A neat little documentary was done. If it doesn't urge you to fight them, or worse, you still want anything to do with them, or even worse than that, defend them, you are likely so ideologically sold out you are useless to anyone, or your pocket book and livelyhood are linked to selling that same, bovine excrement. "Smart" Meters - MUST SEE!! Rick D. Hallbeck (Trick D)" th-cam.com/video/gRR_u3oooHw/w-d-xo.html&html5=1
I think if the electric co. comes to change the meter out and notices that the box isn't in good standing, they should talk to the homeowner and advise them to get that fixed before installing the new smart meter.....
IS NO THINKING ABOUT IT... its totally illegal to install new equipment into any electrical system that is not up to current code. moment you add 'new equipment' all grandfathered existing equipment has to be brought up to code.
Legally as a electrician of any sort you're meant to note what work you do and anything you tamper with for these issues in general, there was apparently no underlying issues until after the new meter was installed. Fishhyyyy company
the box has literally zero affect on the meter. It's just a shell. Have you ever taken a smart meter off before? There's nothing in the box except for 2 metal prongs that the meter clips into. The meter caught fire because it was trash or the power company sent a massive power spike to it.
DDriftsTV Except most power companies were/are not using licenced electritions to install these meters. They hired people off the street, gave them a short training course, and sent them on their way to change meters. I got this information from the guy that changed my meter. It's been fine so far, but I'm keeping a close eye on it.
They came and forced a new meter on us and we have a 200 year old house. I told them no way and I am NOT rewiring my house for them.Of course there are some parts of it that are new-er but not where it comes into the house.
When the new meter was installed, the installer didn't use the anti-oxidant past as required. The new meter uses aluminum connectors, the old cable in the building is copper. The 2 metals expand & contracts at different rates. They conduct electricity differently. The antioxidant past is used to ensure a good connection between the different metals. If not used, arcing can occur and could cause an electrical fire. And the comment about the age of the cabling. 30-years is not old for electrical. The cable used back then was better than the cable I can buy today. Cable is copper and copper cost money. The new cable is a copper mix that sucks. Take them to court and make they pay for lieing to you and pay for the repair too.
as the temperature changes and metal changes size, it's expected expansion and contraction rate changes for each type of metal. Maybe this is the reason the post you connect it to in the box is an aloe a pure copper. this could cause arcing and could cause a fire like this one, don't you think? I have seen this is real life
I think the problem may be that aluminum oxidizes (corrodes) which impedes current flow while copper does not rather than any difference in expansion rates. Also the newer meters have plastic components that burn - old meters were metal and glass, both non-flammable.
Metal connectors being held together by a plastic shell....metal connectors get hot melt the plastic shell and the metal connectors contact each other....just my 2 cents
to be fair $5000 is the commercial price. Actual price is $300-500 labour +whatever($1000? they've been jacking up anything to do with service) ESA fees,
The new norm " not me" thats what my brother and I would tell my mom back 52 years. These companies think they are exempt from responsibility, they are not this man needs to sue them and let the court decide.
So really, that guy just proved the home owners case. The owner owns everything but the meter and lines coming in. So if the meter caught everything on fire, that means the electric companies property caused damaged to the home owners property.
When your negligence or poor equipment causes damage, you're liable to fix all of it... Unless you're the hydro company in Ontario, then you can just bill the client for the damage you caused.
This is a poor excuse for investigative journalism. They didn’t pursue the issue of WHY this homeowner had NO notification that the smart meter was incompatible with his older electrical equipment with the utility. The analog would not have caught on fire with the same equipment. They are obfuscating, and you let them. It’s an outrage that the owner has to live with the potentially deadly consequences of something forced upon them, and an added insult that they are billed for it. It’s a further act of incredible negligence to put lives at risk by intentionally leaving homeowners in the dark as to the risks of new digital equipment on older setups when analog meters carry no such risk. Criminal, in my opinion.
I thought these fires were found to be in the contacts in the meter box itself. The contacts are damaged during the retrofit (or the terminals on the new meter are too thin) so there is insufficient spring tension causing hot spots at the contact interface and fire. I remember an incident where turning on the electric stove made all the lights in the house turn off. It was found to be a damaged (bent) contact from when the new meter was installed. Luckily it didn't catch fire for that person.
So did the homeowner consent to a smart meter being installed on his property since the company is only responsible for the meter they had to have installed it on his property.
If their meter caused the fire, then the owner and installer of the meter is responsible for any damages. Take them to small claims court, they can't use a lawyer. If the legal route fails, you could sew the individual people at the power company, in civil court.
It’s not about updating equipment. Look at the cases online of New construction homes catching fire due to smart meters. It’s the meters themselves. There’s too much going on with digital meters to prove safe
I got power company to remove ours. Proved it was making my heart pacemaker go nuts when I get close to it. which every time I go out back door. the meter is only 2feet away from door. Plus no microwave in house either.
@BlyndSDragon oh so we can abreviate our area? I'm a UMT homeowner then. everyone should know what that means and if you dont.... where have you been for the last 5 seconds?
I installed solar panels, use lithium batteries and have a high LF inverter. I asked HydraOne to remove the wires from my home and get their Meter off my property. I am much safer now.
well since the owner has to pay for the damage i would sue the electric company for damage to the house and the electric line since the meter got caught on fire and caused the damage
ctjk1982 The only option for electric company should be to pull the old meter, blank the piece of crap 60 amp, out-of-code meter can off, and walk away leaving customer without power until they paid for upgrade.
+ike fun you can't even see the wires there in case in the conduit. who ever replace the meter should be reliable to report to the owner of anything they may find wrong with the panel. the wires hanging down the edge of the house on the left are the pole wires and the electric company owns them. anything after the electrical box to the house is ever owned by the property owner. contractors that work for the power company are the only qualified people to do any type of maintenance on the box or the wires from the pole to your fuse box inside your house. at least in North America. I just had my line from my circuit box to my meter replaced and this is what I was told
Good !!! These smart meters are causing Health problems. Such as Insomnia , anxiety , headaches , ringing in ears ,cancer etc. My husband is now getting heart pains. Cover your smart meters with a protector to release less radiation.
Step 1 Repair the damage, note all expenses Step 2 go to small claims file a claim to be re-immersed for damages due to faulty meter Step 3 find independent source that shows meters have been faulty and cause damage Step 4 Respond to all low ball offers to settle out of court with "No thank you, judges are smart" Step 5 Wait for a settlement for the full amount of damages, accept them. The reason why this works is the Judge will likely reward all damages to you and the Electric company will waste money on legal fees.
Yes! The homeowner needs to be advised that their equipment is not up to date, because the average homeowner has no clue about this. However, it should also be criminal for one of those undertrained contractors (hired by the utility co,) to install the new meters, when doing so would not be safe and could cause a house fire!
This is not a scam. We had a meter installed by contractors hired by our city power co . Things began to happen and when the meter was pulled, there were burns on the inside of the meter. The meter had been placed on old equipment that no one told us needed replacing, and the clamps were loose that hold the meter in place. Contractors had been hired to do the job. Luckily, no house fire for us. So, I am afraid you know not what you are talking about.
The homeowner is responsible for everything except the meter, itself. Most homeowners have no clue regarding this. The person who changed out the meter should have told us that our equipment was stretched out, etc. There were arc burns inside the meter and the clamps were loose. They also install UNDER LOAD which is uber stupid. I do not believe they had the proper training to do this work. When we learned of the problem, our utility co. just told us that we needed to upgrade our equipment. They said nothing about the imbecile that installed the meter two years prior.
E J installing the meter is easy. Literally just plugs in. It requires no real training. However, if there is an issue with an air gap causing arching, the power company will always blame it on the homeowners equipment. I used to work as an electrician and many times had to replace the meter boxes because the meters were constructed improperly and the terminal spacing was wrong causing the arching. Had to go to court a couple times to testify about it too when homeowners sued the power companies to pay for the repairs.
While its true that the Meter Box, conduit and conductors are the homeowner's property the culprit of this fire came from the meter which means they are responsible. As an electrician if you are working on a system and see an issue you MUST STOP and inform the customer about the faulty or old equipment that can cause damage and or harm to someone and the Client needs to address these by either contracting you as the company to repair these by upgrading or replacing the items or contacting other sources. In this case the Electrical Company should have left the old meter and sent an information letter to the customer to upgrade their system. Thank God no one was hurt and the damage we see here will be less than 1.5k in parts and labor
@Mr Sunshines This had nothing to do with old wiring. That old wiring is pure copper and better than the wiring you can buy today. The locale and cause of the fire is rather obvious.
@@panon5292 you buttbuddies with power company people? I dont know the full story but you act like they perfect. They human like any other and make mistakes
A GOOD utility will inspect the socket to insure that the contacts will securely bind to the meter tabs. After my meter was changed last summer, two weeks later I lost one leg of my split phase 240V so half my house didn't have power. I knew exactly what the problem was and called Ameren to come out and have a look. Sure enough, one of the contacts was faulty. They put a temporary fix on it and I scheduled a new socket to be installed immediately. That stuff wears out after 40 years. The meter wasn't the problem. The socket is always the problem, and the utility should have checked it first. Mine didn't, and neither did this guy's.
From my experience, he shouldn't have paid for the meter because that's the utility company's responsibility. However he is responsible for the meter box and the pipes for the service drop to go down. I also believe that the meter itself caused the fire.
I never said I worked for a company. I know people who work for electrical utilities. Eversource (CTs electrical utility company) has never had a issue with them as of yet.
The jaws inside the meter base were probably weak and caused a "hot" connection. Most of these meters have a temperature probe inside them for this reason. Also you didn't see this with old meters because they were made of glass and metal, no plastic.
The electrician must of did something wrong if the meter wasn't at fault like the company says. Maybe a lose connection, lose terminal, maybe the electrician cut into the metal while stripping the wire. Who knows, as a home owner i would want the last electricians company to cover the cost which was the utility in that case
thank good they are outside ! hi from England. we love Canada. massive family over there . your all very lucky to live in such beautiful country . lucky people .
The old meter didnt have a problem it comes down to a bad install of the meter. They can bend the contacts causeing a short if it was installed incorrectly. Ask 1 question who installed the meter.
Haha They own the meter itself? Ok then, we'll your cappy radioactive meter caused the fire to a mans home. You should definitely sue the Electrical Company in this situation. Tell me if this sounds right, I own a baseball bat, I smashed your windshield, I dented my baseball bat, I am responsible for that because this is my bat, but I am not responsible for your windshield because it is not my property, it is yours.
If the meter is where the first started and the meter is owned by the utility company, then the utility company is responsible. If the box, however, started the fire then the homeowner is responsible. The chance that the box itself would cause or start a fire is next to impossible. With all of the reports saying that the utility companies own the meters and evidence that the meters are where these fires begin that is enough evidence to hold the utility company responsible for the bill.
If the fire didn’t start in the panel which it’s usually the case when there is an overload for any equipments or appliances and only the meter burnt. Then the meter is the problem. Just picture a filled water tank with a small leak flowing into another tank inside amd there is no leaks in there
But that is bypassing the meter. You are right about the wires, but if you are trying to bypass the meter, it's considered tampering. So I wouldn't do that. And keep in mind, if you don't pay the bill, you wouldn't have electricity because most of the money goes to maintenance and repairs for the power generation, transmission, substations and distribution systems.
In this case it is virtually impossible to determine if the fire was caused by a defective smart meter or by a problem with the meter socket or the wiring or by the smart meter being improperly installed in an old meter socket. How about a 50/50 split?
Folks, your "Not" responsible for their Equipment. 1.) They installed their Equipment , onto your Property, without your "Consent or Knowledge". 2.) Do did agree to any "Terms or Conditions" related to the installment. 3.) If you research on-line, you will discover, that their Equipment , could cause a Possible fire. 4. ) The Smart-Meters are also , a dangerous health Hazard to The human system. Based on this particular situation, it's very apparent , it was "Defective"....! The homeowner , now has the right to filed a Law-suit for damages to his exterior & any damages that occurred on the interior of the home.....Find a good Lawyer, & bring up the real truth of so-called Smart Meters.....Amen to the Truth....!
A good lawyer would tear Hydro's story apart in a heart beat. This was Clearly the Meter's fault. I worked in the electrical field for over 30 yrs,,this was NOT the fault of the meter box or the Homeowner. BTW, charging him $5000,,,License to Steal by the repair crew. disturbing
I had a meter that was installed by some untrained kids who did not properly mount the meter right which lead to arcing on the contacts on high load which killed our power intermittently ( EG: dryer,oven) We had assumed it was some faulty wiring and hired an electrician who thankfully charged minimal and did not find anything that would cause such a problem. The arcing got worse to the point that we would have intermittent power outages and dim lights in some rooms but full power in others. Finally my son came to me and mentioned he heard loud zaps coming from the other side of his wall where the meter was. We called out electrical company and had them come take a look and had found that the contacts had been arcing and was already starting to melt the plastic and burn things. Luckily for us we caught it just in time.
Some brands were found to be defective. Apparently they have been identified since this video and are no longer being used by any province. Not sure what the status is this minute.
Paul Greening Yeah, costs about $10-12 grand, does that include labor? By the time it pays for itself, it's time to change/upgrade the system. Better to put your bucks into an rrsp, better return on investment.
This is a mistake that most people make. Someone tells them that they are not responsible for something, and your average person just believes it. This man should consult a lawyer. If the lawyer working for you says that it is your problem, then maybe it is. I honestly think this homeowner could sue and win. There is no conceivable way a meter should catch on fire period. The defective meter that belongs to the utility company caused damage to the home owners property. He should sue them, and make them pay for all the damages plus legal fees. Secondly, the $5,000 estimate is total BS too.
California fires starting to make sense yet? How some neighborhoods have only houses burned, but trees next to houses still standing? That's not to take away from the fires that have wiped out both and everything else in their path, I'm just saying, not all of the California fires made sense.
ClassiK x That's probably one reason, I do believe that it was mainly the meter, but there could have been a fault that wasn't seen in the box before it was installed.
how long has the meter been installed. ie-was the wiring connections tight . If the meter was not long installed- suspect loose connection faulty meter, if connections are good. Hope you seen the terminal at the meter I was a electrician with Scottish power for 39 years, I have seen this type of thing many times. Fire normally starts at the cutout fuse which I suspect is inside the main box at the meter or the terminal block at the meter. This has nothing to do with the service cable , which is normally the utility companies property or the customers if the cable was owned or ran by customer. This service cable is always the utilities cable up to the meter and the customers leaving the meter to the switchboard.
"not only was it not our responsibility, that wasnt even our meter... we've never installed that model... thats not even there right now... im not even here right now... this never happened... move along, nothing to see here." You should just drive your car thru their customer service center... "sorry, i only own the vehicle... this building is 35 years old (smh) thats all on you... SEE YA!"
I don't know how Canada works exactly, but in the States all plant up to and including the meter is owned by and is the responsibilty of the utility. This includes the triplex drop wire, the attachment point, the weatherhead etc.
Nope you're wrong. In Canada, the meter and the triplex from the hydro pole to 3 feet of the first connection on the house are own by the utility, nothing else. Same in US www9.nationalgridus.com/non_html/shared_yours-ours.pdf
Often they don't even tell you that they're changing the meter. I was home one day and happened to see the hydro guy at my house. Had to go out to see what he was doing. Oh, we're just installing a smart meter.
Let’s see if I got this straight: first, they foist a smart meter that you probably did not want on you, then, if it blows up and it nearly burns your house down (except that you just happen to come home just as the fire started and therefore managed to put it out), then they still make you pay for all the damages. To emphasize the point: if the house had burned down with your family in it, caused by a smart meter they installed, that you probably did not want, you would still get stuck paying for it. Is that correct?
Take one of smartmeters apart! The brand I saw apart had three fairly large computer chips. So smartmeters have more computing power than most laptops and do just one thing. They send signals to the power company so you can get a bill in the mail. That's one percent of what they can do!
@@gsxrgeorge00 THEY send pulses all day every day throughout EVERY wire inside your home! Spying on what's turned ON or OFF, NOT to mention the very harmful and deadly frequencies & radiation! Look into Barrie Trowers years and years of research and work he spent since the 1960s into these very same things & educate yourself on the FACTS and Truths of these DEATH Meters!
My son had his main electrical panel upgraded with a new mast to the roof, etc. The electric company said that they would come out and remove the meter which they did for the work to begin and that they would return to lock and tag the meter when the work was done. That was many years ago and they never returned.
You do own everything but the meter. So lock the box that houses the meter and never let them put a smart meter. I keep mine locked and when they were around changing them my pit and Doberman never left the yard.
THANK GOD I did electrical before I.T!! that is correct from the goose neck down is up to the home owner.. They are responsible from the top connection to the pole
If they truly didn't install this meter and don't in fact own it, than yeah - they are not responsible for the damage. But if they lie and they did install equipment that is known to be faulty and cause fires - they should restore everything and stop being sneaky lying weasels!
It is against the law in Canada to attach a smart meter to a customer's meter if the meter base no longer meets CSA requirements. Hydro One and the installers should also be charged with ATTEMPTED ARSON.
They Have tons of lawyers. They need to be investigated and be accountable for their actions. Corporations need to be accountable. Take their their homes and Yachts. Wake up call. What goes around comes around.
Did the home owner ask for a Smart meter to be fitted? But in any case the utility company has a duty to check whether the existing cables and consumer unit are safe to use with it? If they just fitted it without asking the homeowner then they are totally responsible.
That reporter deserves a good check being her own camera person as well. That camera was very steady. Second there should be a law prohibiting "unsolicited" upgrades without a homeowner's approval.
Did the installer bother to make sure that the connection was secure? Do they use whatever anti-oxident or dielectric grease that they are supposed to? Or are they not trained at all, and they do not even care about safety nor of doing a professional job?
so the meter isw the cause of the fire.. which in turn damaged your house.. I'd be getting on the safety board to lay the blame on the power company, then take it to court with the proof and nail them to the wall .. like they try to do with you.
I have a friend they purchase the house it's a little Bungalow in St Louis and for some reason I don't know why the electric meter and meter base is in the kitchen up top of the corner above the refrigerator he has never paid for electric service it was off when he moved in and he just put copper tabs in there and made contact as electric has been on ever since
If your meter causes damage, then the party causing the damage is the responsible party , sue them for causing the harm, let a jury decide.
immafreemann yep,
got proof?
“The requirement of standing, however, has a core component derived directly from the Constitution. A plaintiff must allege personal injury fairly traceable to the defendant's allegedly unlawful conduct and likely to be redressed by the requested relief. 454 U.S. at GO>472.”,and ” The "case or controversy" requirement of Art. III of the Constitution defines with respect to the Judicial Branch the idea of separation of powers on which the Federal Government is founded, and the Art. III [468 U.S. 738] doctrine of "standing" has a core constitutional component that a plaintiff must allege personal injury fairly traceable to the defendant's allegedly unlawful conduct and likely to be redressed by the requested relief. The concepts of standing doctrine present questions that must be answered by reference to the Art. III notion that federal courts may exercise power only in the last resort and as a necessity, and only when adjudication is consistent with a system of separated powers and the dispute is one traditionally thought to be capable of resolution through the judicial process. Pp. GO>750-752.” Allen v. Wright, 468 U.S. 737 (1984) O’Conner Lead op. [verified ]
So the personal injury or loss is claimed by the Claimant/Plaintiff and the accussed are the party allegedly responsible for the personal injury or loss.
Its a requirement to have jurisdiction to invoke the authority of any court to have a jury hear the claims>
“Standing represents a jurisdictional requirement which remains open to review at all stages of the litigation. GO>Bender v. Williamsport Area School Dist., 475 U.S. 534, GO>546-547 (1986).” National Organization for Women, Inc. v. Scheidler, 510 U.S. 249 (1994) [verified]
So...if your house catches fire and you didn't start it, then you would be interested in holding whoever you believe is responsible accountable.
you saying sue them is spot on but your reasons are wrong...
The meters are not UL approved (so there is no gaurantee of safety), and Syc : you can use your words and state reasons of your own if you wish. The damages are the house damage (contractor estimates) and the fire department should do an assessment and name the cause of the fire, if they refuse you have conspiracy to aid and abet the harm done to you by the fire department if they cant certify a cause of fire.
Drive your car into the utility building, tell them your only responsible for your car.
Lol
except chainsaw "teeth" are not sharp, just pointy.
Lol. That made my day
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If the electric company installed a faulty meter that in turn caused damage, they are responsible for the damage caused by their equipment.
ike fun
Incoming wiring? Like what they said the power company also owns?
Regardless, the fire appears to have started in the meter. If the wiring is at fault, it would be due to a poor install.... by the power company.
+ tin2001
tin2001
The guy specifically, and correctly, stated that the power company DOES NOT own anything but the actual meter itself. Go watch the video again. Also, IMO it clearly looks like the problem occurred in the terminal section of the meter pan. If you don't know what this is maybe go ask a real electrician.
Sorry bud, not true. These meters are linked to so many fires and have been caught on video as the source. A fire investigator can tell where point of origin is. I, as an electronics tech, can tell just by the design these devices are barely able to carry the amperage that is delivered to the home. Poorly constructed devices all in the name of being able to remotely monitor and disconnect.
P Anon: The overload at the poorly built terminals trying to carry the amperage delivered to it and across it is the very failure that caused the fire. The materials used in construction of the device is at fault. Older meters are constructed of a thick, Bakelite material that tolerates higher temps and will not melt under high amperage loads. I am an electronics tech of 30 years.
The fire started in the customer owned base. The meter was actually a casualty of the customers equipment failure NOT the cause of a fire. This happened long before “smart meters” were invented. The problem may occur after the utility changes the meter because the customer owned base was in poor shape and a weak connection got worse from being disturbed. People will say “everything was fine until they changed the meter” but ultimately the customer has to provide a place for the utility to install their meter and it has to be in good enough condition to stand up to carrying the electric load and the utility changing the meter.
So basically, this company can get away with arson...
Sounds like HydroOne owes this guy a couple thousand for arson, vandalism, reckless endangerment of life and property, and possibly fraud.
All you stated and then some!
That's lawsuit worthy. You can't charge the home owner for your meter that almost burned his house down. Insane.
I own a can of gasoline and a box of matches.
Everything else is the homeowner's responsibility.
You also own the intent to set the fire, which is your responsibility.
Shining Armor no, it was the home owner's responsibility to have proper fire retardant walls and up to date arson detection equipment
Funniest thing I heard today other than an insane president's rant. Speculators have been trying to figure out how to make money on that forever. But it's always so sudden.
China or Mexico label on meter . Pure junk, just like everything else they make!
Smart meter: *100 issues*
Company; There are absolutely no issues
Smart meter: *catches on fire*
Company: We never installed this meter. These meters are safe.
Smart meter: *communicates with other smart meters*
Company: This is safe and is totally not a violation of any privacy laws
Smart meter: gets the bill for every house around it
Company: hey, not our fault
Smart meter. Government control on your electricity usage on the way.
My local power company tried to install that smart meter on my home without my consent. I came home one day from work an caught them in my yard trying to install it. I asked them what were they doing an then told them that they had to put my meter back. Then I told them that they had 5 minutes to do so or I'd come back with my bat. They sent 2 cops an another worker out to my house an said they have to either install a smart meter or they will shut my power off. Well I still have my old meter an my power is still on. In my town 4 houses already burned down to the smart meters an I'm sorry but I like my house just the way it is
So Jason Sauls, not happy with Hydro One? Make sure the news agencies work on this story.
*ARSON ALERT* *ARSON ALERT*
*HYDRO ONE IS IN TROUBLE WITH CANADIAN LAW AND CRIMINAL LAW*
CityNews TV, this story is huge. *BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN REPAIR COSTS TO HYDRO ONE TO FIX THEIR MISTAKE*
This is how HYDRO ONE is responsible for every smart meter fire and damages caused by their criminal act.
This is how HYDRO ONE has caused every CSA APPROVED METER BASE IN ONTARIO TO BE DECERTIFIED.
*So you are asking why would Hydro One do this and put 100% of their customers lives at risk?*
*THEY DID IT FOR PROFIT*
And they had to work fast to remove all of the safe glass meters and destroy them so there was NO WAY TO RETURN back into service.
Let look at just what Hydro One did wrong.
Here it is, In Canada you are not allowed to use the power meter as a load-breaking device.
“CSA C22.2 NO. 115-14 1.5 says “Meter-mounting devices, as covered by this Standard, are not intended to be used as load-making or load-breaking devices.”, meaning that electricity must be disconnected or turned off during meter exchanges. Aside from the obvious concern about the arcing and consequent pitting which occurs when contacts are made or broken under load, another concern is that one's meter base could lose its CSA certification if it’s been used as a load-break device.”
The proper method is to BYPASS the meter with jumper wires or turn off the power from the power pole.
*IF THIS METHOD IS NOT USED, THE HYDRO ONE HAS CAUSED THE DESERTIFICATION OF THE HOMEOWNERS METER BASE*
So CityTV Toronto, if this story works, I can show you how Hydro One is MURDERING thier customer for a *PROFIT*
If you own the meter you should have the ability to say no,. And they had no right being on property changing it out without prior notice.
Jason Sauls the power company in my opinion has no right to change the meter on someone house unless they ask you for permission it should be left up to the home owner if they want to install the rip-off meter oh I mean smart meter
ya i'm sure that really happened grandad
atl_1ne
Well aren’t you the quite the little internet gangsta
Lawsuit! Their meter caused the problem, they are responsible and at fault.
That’s funny your picture is the being that occult clubs worship and who are the ones that force those meters on peoples homes to cause intentional harm for profit
Why the Dark name if you stand for justice?
this is how i feel about it....His system was working just fine before the meter upgrade. if the system on the house is older and the system on the house is the homeowners property and responsibility the power company should have been required to get permission before upgrading the meter. obviously somthing was connected improperly or was not compatible. so in my opion it is 100% the responsibility of the power company to replace what has been damaged. this could have caused this person and his family to lose everything they had.
The hydro company is the one that installed the metre on outdated lines. They knew the metre needed updated lines but installed it anyway. That's their fault. Your metre caused the fire not the homeowners equipment. His stuff worked fine for decades.
I have been in the trade for over 50 yrs., both sides, it is not the home owners fault.
have read many reports of these meters going up in flames. Never the old style reliable, analog ones.
Santa Rosa. Napa valley. And it wasn't just the meters.
That's not true, old ones are just as bad, the news just don't demonize it, like what they do to Tesla.
grassroot011 but they can't watch our every move with those so they are phased out
It's why I refused to get one.
They told a lot of lies trying to convince me to get one, and that I would have to.
Twice they stood in my driveway lying to me.
The second time, after 3 hours, my neighbor who got one, came over to complain to them that his bill had gone up.
After lying to me that they weren't invasive, not a little, a lot, he turns to my neighbor and says, "Maybe you have a leak. That's what's so great about them. We can look and it will tell us where it is....", his voice trails off as he realizes he just admitted it sees past the wall. Caught up in the moment of actually being allowed to tell the truth..
If you accept one, you no longer have an expectation of privacy in your home.
The govt told you needed a door frame, that is left wide open so they can come in anytime they want...and you allowed it. You have no defense.
I have a generator and live in a place where there is no noise by-law, so if they ever try to force it, and I think they will try, as it isn't just about hydro, they want access to your :smart, (only smarter than the consumer who buys them), devices.
I use no wireless.
No cellphones. Even blessed with the fact you can't get a cell phone signal in my house.
I only buy "dumb" products.
It's funny, I had never heard of a hydro meter catching fire or being the blame of the start of a fire, before they put smart, (only smarter than those that accept them), meters in.
So I did a Google search for any examples.
"No results found for "mechanical electricity meter found to have caused fire"."
You get lots if you take off the quotation marks, but they are all about "smart meters" causing fires...and there's lots of them.
When it comes to this topic, I find a lot of people trying to sell bovine excrement.
If it isn't in my knowledge base already, I research it. I tend not to give much validity to anecdotal stories, without something to back them up.
They tend to be without substance.
If you weren't the top comment, you wouldn't have these trolls. Go down to someone who said they same thing, who has no votes, and see their reply comments there.
Oh, they don't have any.
A neat little documentary was done. If it doesn't urge you to fight them, or worse, you still want anything to do with them, or even worse than that, defend them, you are likely so ideologically sold out you are useless to anyone, or your pocket book and livelyhood are linked to selling that same, bovine excrement.
"Smart" Meters - MUST SEE!!
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roomwithapointofview You seem to have internet though and you're worried about companies spying on you?
I think if the electric co. comes to change the meter out and notices that the box isn't in good standing, they should talk to the homeowner and advise them to get that fixed before installing the new smart meter.....
IS NO THINKING ABOUT IT... its totally illegal to install new equipment into any electrical system that is not up to current code. moment you add 'new equipment' all grandfathered existing equipment has to be brought up to code.
Legally as a electrician of any sort you're meant to note what work you do and anything you tamper with for these issues in general, there was apparently no underlying issues until after the new meter was installed. Fishhyyyy company
the box has literally zero affect on the meter. It's just a shell. Have you ever taken a smart meter off before? There's nothing in the box except for 2 metal prongs that the meter clips into. The meter caught fire because it was trash or the power company sent a massive power spike to it.
DDriftsTV
Except most power companies were/are not using licenced electritions to install these meters. They hired people off the street, gave them a short training course, and sent them on their way to change meters. I got this information from the guy that changed my meter. It's been fine so far, but I'm keeping a close eye on it.
They came and forced a new meter on us and we have a 200 year old house. I told them no way and I am NOT rewiring my house for them.Of course there are some parts of it that are new-er but not where it comes into the house.
When the new meter was installed, the installer didn't use the anti-oxidant past as required. The new meter uses aluminum connectors, the old cable in the building is copper. The 2 metals expand & contracts at different rates. They conduct electricity differently. The antioxidant past is used to ensure a good connection between the different metals. If not used, arcing can occur and could cause an electrical fire. And the comment about the age of the cabling. 30-years is not old for electrical. The cable used back then was better than the cable I can buy today. Cable is copper and copper cost money. The new cable is a copper mix that sucks. Take them to court and make they pay for lieing to you and pay for the repair too.
Posi P you mean "paste" ?
Posi P there's a reason Cheap China equipment used aluminum wires.
as the temperature changes and metal changes size, it's expected expansion and contraction rate changes for each type of metal. Maybe this is the reason the post you connect it to in the box is an aloe a pure copper. this could cause arcing and could cause a fire like this one, don't you think? I have seen this is real life
I think the problem may be that aluminum oxidizes (corrodes) which impedes current flow while copper does not rather than any difference in expansion rates. Also the newer meters have plastic components that burn - old meters were metal and glass, both non-flammable.
Metal connectors being held together by a plastic shell....metal connectors get hot melt the plastic shell and the metal connectors contact each other....just my 2 cents
Good thing the house was made of brick.
Lucky 🍀
Smart, spontaneously combusting meters 😑
so now they send an auto destruct code and they receive 5000 from the home owners now that's business
to be fair $5000 is the commercial price. Actual price is $300-500 labour +whatever($1000? they've been jacking up anything to do with service) ESA fees,
The utility companies don't do the work, he had to hire an electric Ian most likely.
If your meter cause my house to burn down It's going to cost you more than 5000 dollars.
Bryan N. AR-15 TIME!!!!
The new norm " not me" thats what my brother and I would tell my mom back 52 years. These companies think they are exempt from responsibility, they are not this man needs to sue them and let the court decide.
The utility company owns the meter that destroyed the man's box, conduit and lines. Why are they not liable?
So really, that guy just proved the home owners case. The owner owns everything but the meter and lines coming in. So if the meter caught everything on fire, that means the electric companies property caused damaged to the home owners property.
When your negligence or poor equipment causes damage, you're liable to fix all of it... Unless you're the hydro company in Ontario, then you can just bill the client for the damage you caused.
This is a poor excuse for investigative journalism. They didn’t pursue the issue of WHY this homeowner had NO notification that the smart meter was incompatible with his older electrical equipment with the utility. The analog would not have caught on fire with the same equipment. They are obfuscating, and you let them.
It’s an outrage that the owner has to live with the potentially deadly consequences of something forced upon them, and an added insult that they are billed for it. It’s a further act of incredible negligence to put lives at risk by intentionally leaving homeowners in the dark as to the risks of new digital equipment on older setups when analog meters carry no such risk.
Criminal, in my opinion.
the fault was with the meter not the wiring from the meter
gamo98: And you know this how?
listen. I wanna know why they don't inspect the wiring before hand!!!
erbenton07 well the wiring never caught fire before the meter was put in, only after so how can it be the wires exactly?
All you armchair electricians are a joke. Diagnosing this problem from a few photos and the news lady's over dramatic story.
Big City use old wire before you and i born. Good Wires life a long time
I thought these fires were found to be in the contacts in the meter box itself. The contacts are damaged during the retrofit (or the terminals on the new meter are too thin) so there is insufficient spring tension causing hot spots at the contact interface and fire. I remember an incident where turning on the electric stove made all the lights in the house turn off. It was found to be a damaged (bent) contact from when the new meter was installed. Luckily it didn't catch fire for that person.
So did the homeowner consent to a smart meter being installed on his property since the company is only responsible for the meter they had to have installed it on his property.
The call it "Smart" to make you think it's smart.
If their meter caused the fire, then the owner and installer of the meter is responsible for any damages. Take them to small claims court, they can't use a lawyer. If the legal route fails, you could sew the individual people at the power company, in civil court.
It’s not about updating equipment. Look at the cases online of New construction homes catching fire due to smart meters. It’s the meters themselves. There’s too much going on with digital meters to prove safe
Here in Vermont we had the same problem. My neighbor's lost all their electrical stuff when their meter did this.
I have seen two homes damaged by smart meeter "upgrades" when the old meter was fine.
Sue them for committing arson
I got power company to remove ours. Proved it was making my heart pacemaker go nuts when I get close to it. which every time I go out back door. the meter is only 2feet away from door. Plus no microwave in house either.
Grand Theft Auto home owner?
Shazzkid Ha!! That's how I read it!
Looking for this
Shazzkid I thought I was the only one.
I thought Grand Theft Auto as well lol
@BlyndSDragon oh so we can abreviate our area? I'm a UMT homeowner then. everyone should know what that means and if you dont.... where have you been for the last 5 seconds?
I installed solar panels, use lithium batteries and have a high LF inverter. I asked HydraOne to remove the wires from my home and get their Meter off my property.
I am much safer now.
well since the owner has to pay for the damage i would sue the electric company for damage to the house and the electric line since the meter got caught on fire and caused the damage
ctjk1982 The only option for electric company should be to pull the old meter, blank the piece of crap 60 amp, out-of-code meter can off, and walk away leaving customer without power until they paid for upgrade.
+ike fun you can't even see the wires there in case in the conduit. who ever replace the meter should be reliable to report to the owner of anything they may find wrong with the panel. the wires hanging down the edge of the house on the left are the pole wires and the electric company owns them. anything after the electrical box to the house is ever owned by the property owner. contractors that work for the power company are the only qualified people to do any type of maintenance on the box or the wires from the pole to your fuse box inside your house. at least in North America. I just had my line from my circuit box to my meter replaced and this is what I was told
DB Stevens I agree. I’m a electrician in Manitoba. There was more wrong than what any one is saying.
Good !!! These smart meters are causing Health problems. Such as Insomnia , anxiety , headaches , ringing in ears ,cancer etc.
My husband is now getting heart pains.
Cover your smart meters with a protector to release less radiation.
Damage caused by meater / the electric company install the meter - they are responsible = it's their meater that caused the damage.
So vague responses from electric companies should go to Court
It sure would be a shame if executives at Hydro started receiving death threats.
Doug Reed, that's very true. We just need someone to make good on them.
Step 1 Repair the damage, note all expenses
Step 2 go to small claims file a claim to be re-immersed for damages due to faulty meter
Step 3 find independent source that shows meters have been faulty and cause damage
Step 4 Respond to all low ball offers to settle out of court with "No thank you, judges are smart"
Step 5 Wait for a settlement for the full amount of damages, accept them.
The reason why this works is the Judge will likely reward all damages to you and the Electric company will waste money on legal fees.
Yes! The homeowner needs to be advised that their equipment is not up to date, because the average homeowner has no clue about this. However, it should also be criminal for one of those undertrained contractors (hired by the utility co,) to install the new meters, when doing so would not be safe and could cause a house fire!
This is not a scam. We had a meter installed by contractors hired by our city power co . Things began to happen and when the meter was pulled, there were burns on the inside of the meter. The meter had been placed on old equipment that no one told us needed replacing, and the clamps were loose that hold the meter in place. Contractors had been hired to do the job. Luckily, no house fire for us. So, I am afraid you know not what you are talking about.
The homeowner is responsible for everything except the meter, itself. Most homeowners have no clue regarding this. The person who changed out the meter should have told us that our equipment was stretched out, etc. There were arc burns inside the meter and the clamps were loose. They also install UNDER LOAD which is uber stupid. I do not believe they had the proper training to do this work. When we learned of the problem, our utility co. just told us that we needed to upgrade our equipment. They said nothing about the imbecile that installed the meter two years prior.
Then let people keep their analog system. These are being changed without our knowledge
E J installing the meter is easy. Literally just plugs in. It requires no real training. However, if there is an issue with an air gap causing arching, the power company will always blame it on the homeowners equipment. I used to work as an electrician and many times had to replace the meter boxes because the meters were constructed improperly and the terminal spacing was wrong causing the arching. Had to go to court a couple times to testify about it too when homeowners sued the power companies to pay for the repairs.
ike fun easier said than done. Do you just have a few thousand $$ to replace your electrical equipment?
While its true that the Meter Box, conduit and conductors are the homeowner's property the culprit of this fire came from the meter which means they are responsible. As an electrician if you are working on a system and see an issue you MUST STOP and inform the customer about the faulty or old equipment that can cause damage and or harm to someone and the Client needs to address these by either contracting you as the company to repair these by upgrading or replacing the items or contacting other sources. In this case the Electrical Company should have left the old meter and sent an information letter to the customer to upgrade their system. Thank God no one was hurt and the damage we see here will be less than 1.5k in parts and labor
Since it was the meter that fried, the power company is responsible here
Hmm sounds like its time for a class action lawsuit!
Well time to get a lawyer.
As soon as you call a lawyer in a dispute, nobody wins but the lawyers.
ike fun seems unrelated, but your a good troll at the very least.
@Mr Sunshines This had nothing to do with old wiring. That old wiring is pure copper and better than the wiring you can buy today. The locale and cause of the fire is rather obvious.
In my state anything from the power pole and the meter is their responsibility not the homeowners I did electrical work.
The meter damaged his property, they owe him reimbursement.
And what is your professional basis for this diagnosis?
@@panon5292 you buttbuddies with power company people? I dont know the full story but you act like they perfect. They human like any other and make mistakes
The meter and meter base are two separate parts. The meter plugs into the meter socket no wiring required.
I thought it meant GTA 5 in the title
Stone Cold7
Pretty sure TH-cam thought that too.
A GOOD utility will inspect the socket to insure that the contacts will securely bind to the meter tabs. After my meter was changed last summer, two weeks later I lost one leg of my split phase 240V so half my house didn't have power. I knew exactly what the problem was and called Ameren to come out and have a look. Sure enough, one of the contacts was faulty. They put a temporary fix on it and I scheduled a new socket to be installed immediately. That stuff wears out after 40 years.
The meter wasn't the problem. The socket is always the problem, and the utility should have checked it first. Mine didn't, and neither did this guy's.
From my experience, he shouldn't have paid for the meter because that's the utility company's responsibility. However he is responsible for the meter box and the pipes for the service drop to go down. I also believe that the meter itself caused the fire.
La Diablo Mistakes happen, they did an investigation, it wasn't caused by arson.
I never said I worked for a company. I know people who work for electrical utilities. Eversource (CTs electrical utility company) has never had a issue with them as of yet.
La Diablo as agreed.death traps!!
The jaws inside the meter base were probably weak and caused a "hot" connection. Most of these meters have a temperature probe inside them for this reason.
Also you didn't see this with old meters because they were made of glass and metal, no plastic.
The electrician must of did something wrong if the meter wasn't at fault like the company says. Maybe a lose connection, lose terminal, maybe the electrician cut into the metal while stripping the wire. Who knows, as a home owner i would want the last electricians company to cover the cost which was the utility in that case
thank good they are outside ! hi from England. we love Canada. massive family over there . your all very lucky to live in such beautiful country . lucky people .
who names an electrical company Hydro?
When they generate power from water.
Delusional TROLL alert ! ! "Frederique Zug" trolling online forums and videos aggressively peddling "lifesaving advice" to the gullible. How . . . utterly . . . pathetic!
The old meter didnt have a problem it comes down to a bad install of the meter. They can bend the contacts causeing a short if it was installed incorrectly. Ask 1 question who installed the meter.
Haha They own the meter itself? Ok then, we'll your cappy radioactive meter caused the fire to a mans home. You should definitely sue the Electrical Company in this situation. Tell me if this sounds right, I own a baseball bat, I smashed your windshield, I dented my baseball bat, I am responsible for that because this is my bat, but I am not responsible for your windshield because it is not my property, it is yours.
Yup, that certainly sounds like how screwy the logic is.
If the meter is where the first started and the meter is owned by the utility company, then the utility company is responsible. If the box, however, started the fire then the homeowner is responsible. The chance that the box itself would cause or start a fire is next to impossible. With all of the reports saying that the utility companies own the meters and evidence that the meters are where these fires begin that is enough evidence to hold the utility company responsible for the bill.
Cash grab from company
If the fire didn’t start in the panel which it’s usually the case when there is an overload for any equipments or appliances and only the meter burnt. Then the meter is the problem. Just picture a filled water tank with a small leak flowing into another tank inside amd there is no leaks in there
if i own the wires before the meter ,, then i should be able to tap into my wires before the meter ??????????????
But that is bypassing the meter. You are right about the wires, but if you are trying to bypass the meter, it's considered tampering. So I wouldn't do that. And keep in mind, if you don't pay the bill, you wouldn't have electricity because most of the money goes to maintenance and repairs for the power generation, transmission, substations and distribution systems.
frank ertolacci The utility owns the wires begore the box
NICHOLAS LANDOLINA the uliitity owns the wires to the mast head.
James Mclaughlin but the guy said the homeowner owns everytuing but the meter. "Everything on the outside of the house"
You own the wires, not the electricity
In this case it is virtually impossible to determine if the fire was caused by a defective smart meter or by a problem with the meter socket or the wiring or by the smart meter being improperly installed in an old meter socket. How about a 50/50 split?
So in Canada if I drive my car and hit another car that causes damage, I am not responsible for the damage that I caused?
Second Thought No.
That only works if you were driving a smart meter
bgoth1 what about a smart car?
Blaine Macdonald if you drive a smart car into another car you won't damage the other car anyway!
bgoth1 and my day has just been made thanks... now search smart car crash tests!
Folks, your "Not" responsible for their Equipment. 1.) They installed their Equipment , onto your Property, without your "Consent or Knowledge". 2.) Do did agree to any "Terms or Conditions" related to the installment. 3.) If you research on-line, you will discover, that their Equipment , could cause a Possible fire. 4. ) The Smart-Meters are also , a dangerous health Hazard to The human system. Based on this particular situation, it's very apparent , it was "Defective"....! The homeowner , now has the right to filed a Law-suit for damages to his exterior & any damages that occurred on the interior of the home.....Find a good Lawyer, & bring up the real truth of so-called Smart Meters.....Amen to the Truth....!
SUE. Meter started fire. Rude your electrical.
ike fun They replace the meter then there is a fire.They should you. Fires from other meters.cheap parts probably in these meters.
A good lawyer would tear Hydro's story apart in a heart beat. This was Clearly the Meter's fault. I worked in the electrical field for over 30 yrs,,this was NOT the fault of the meter box or the Homeowner. BTW, charging him $5000,,,License to Steal by the repair crew. disturbing
Lol, with 5000 dollars, you might as well go solar!
Solar is way more expensive than 5Gs.
+A. Randolph I depends on what you need to power ;)
I had a meter that was installed by some untrained kids who did not properly mount the meter right which lead to arcing on the contacts on high load which killed our power intermittently ( EG: dryer,oven) We had assumed it was some faulty wiring and hired an electrician who thankfully charged minimal and did not find anything that would cause such a problem. The arcing got worse to the point that we would have intermittent power outages and dim lights in some rooms but full power in others. Finally my son came to me and mentioned he heard loud zaps coming from the other side of his wall where the meter was. We called out electrical company and had them come take a look and had found that the contacts had been arcing and was already starting to melt the plastic and burn things. Luckily for us we caught it just in time.
Time to go solar
You can tell by the burn damage that the meter caused the fire. I hope the Fire Marshall was out there to inspect and report.
Good thing he put the fire oot eh ?
LOL thanks.
Some brands were found to be defective. Apparently they have been identified since this video and are no longer being used by any province. Not sure what the status is this minute.
Time to buy solar panels
Aaron Cole, that's probably just what Trudeau wants you to do!
wouldn't be very wise, given they live on Ontario, Canada. quite a bit of snow and short summers
Paul Greening how much it cost? how many batteries do you have?what is the upkeep? is it a mix of geothermal and solar?
Paul Greening Yeah, costs about $10-12 grand, does that include labor? By the time it pays for itself, it's time to change/upgrade the system. Better to put your bucks into an rrsp, better return on investment.
Solar panels are not safe either.
This is a mistake that most people make. Someone tells them that they are not responsible for something, and your average person just believes it. This man should consult a lawyer. If the lawyer working for you says that it is your problem, then maybe it is. I honestly think this homeowner could sue and win. There is no conceivable way a meter should catch on fire period. The defective meter that belongs to the utility company caused damage to the home owners property. He should sue them, and make them pay for all the damages plus legal fees.
Secondly, the $5,000 estimate is total BS too.
Those Smart Meters put off a ton of radiation also
California fires starting to make sense yet? How some neighborhoods have only houses burned, but trees next to houses still standing? That's not to take away from the fires that have wiped out both and everything else in their path, I'm just saying, not all of the California fires made sense.
Caused from faulty decades old meter base.
ClassiK x That's probably one reason, I do believe that it was mainly the meter, but there could have been a fault that wasn't seen in the box before it was installed.
how long has the meter been installed.
ie-was the wiring connections tight .
If the meter was not long installed- suspect loose connection
faulty meter, if connections are good.
Hope you seen the terminal at the meter
I was a electrician with Scottish power for 39 years,
I have seen this type of thing many times.
Fire normally starts at the cutout fuse which I suspect is inside the main box at the meter or the terminal block at the meter.
This has nothing to do with the service cable , which is normally the utility companies property or the customers if the cable was owned or ran by customer.
This service cable is always the utilities cable up to the meter and the customers leaving the meter to the switchboard.
Oh Canada!
"not only was it not our responsibility, that wasnt even our meter... we've never installed that model... thats not even there right now... im not even here right now... this never happened... move along, nothing to see here." You should just drive your car thru their customer service center... "sorry, i only own the vehicle... this building is 35 years old (smh) thats all on you... SEE YA!"
I don't know how Canada works exactly, but in the States all plant up to and including the meter is owned by and is the responsibilty of the utility. This includes the triplex drop wire, the attachment point, the weatherhead etc.
Nope you're wrong. In Canada, the meter and the triplex from the hydro pole to 3 feet of the first connection on the house are own by the utility, nothing else. Same in US
www9.nationalgridus.com/non_html/shared_yours-ours.pdf
Often they don't even tell you that they're changing the meter. I was home one day and happened to see the hydro guy at my house. Had to go out to see what he was doing. Oh, we're just installing a smart meter.
Let’s see if I got this straight: first, they foist a smart meter that you probably did not want on you, then, if it blows up and it nearly burns your house down (except that you just happen to come home just as the fire started and therefore managed to put it out), then they still make you pay for all the damages. To emphasize the point: if the house had burned down with your family in it, caused by a smart meter they installed, that you probably did not want, you would still get stuck paying for it. Is that correct?
Take one of smartmeters apart!
The brand I saw apart had three fairly large computer chips.
So smartmeters have more computing power than most laptops and do just one thing.
They send signals to the power company so you can get a bill in the mail. That's one percent of what they can do!
Lol then tell us what else they can do? But please educate yourself on electricity before you do.
@@gsxrgeorge00 THEY send pulses all day every day throughout EVERY wire inside your home! Spying on what's turned ON or OFF, NOT to mention the very harmful and deadly frequencies & radiation! Look into Barrie Trowers years and years of research and work he spent since the 1960s into these very same things & educate yourself on the FACTS and Truths of these DEATH Meters!
My son had his main electrical panel upgraded with a new mast to the roof, etc. The electric company said that they would come out and remove the meter which they did for the work to begin and that they would return to lock and tag the meter when the work was done. That was many years ago and they never returned.
You do own everything but the meter. So lock the box that houses the meter and never let them put a smart meter. I keep mine locked and when they were around changing them my pit and Doberman never left the yard.
THANK GOD I did electrical before I.T!! that is correct from the goose neck down is up to the home owner.. They are responsible from the top connection to the pole
If they truly didn't install this meter and don't in fact own it, than yeah - they are not responsible for the damage. But if they lie and they did install equipment that is known to be faulty and cause fires - they should restore everything and stop being sneaky lying weasels!
It is against the law in Canada to attach a smart meter to a customer's meter if the meter base no longer meets CSA requirements.
Hydro One and the installers should also be charged with ATTEMPTED ARSON.
They Have tons of lawyers. They need to be investigated and be accountable for their actions. Corporations need to be accountable. Take their their homes and Yachts. Wake up call. What goes around comes around.
Did the home owner ask for a Smart meter to be fitted? But in any case the utility company has a duty to check whether the existing cables and consumer unit are safe to use with it? If they just fitted it without asking the homeowner then they are totally responsible.
That reporter deserves a good check being her own camera person as well. That camera was very steady.
Second there should be a law prohibiting "unsolicited" upgrades without a homeowner's approval.
Ok for 5000 you could go off grid with wind and solar and forget about being hooked on the grid and use gas for cooking and hot water
No fire until the smart meter installed. What do you think Watson ?
We just own the thing that burst into flames. We don’t own the flame. That’s the responsibility of the home owner.
Fires at the meter or the panel are 100 percent caused by a loose wire connection while drawing a load thru those connections
Did the installer bother to make sure that the connection was secure? Do they use whatever anti-oxident or dielectric grease that they are supposed to? Or are they not trained at all, and they do not even care about safety nor of doing a professional job?
That sucks! They should stop forcing those new smart meters if they know the equipment is old. I’d like to see a class action suit.
so the meter isw the cause of the fire.. which in turn damaged your house.. I'd be getting on the safety board to lay the blame on the power company, then take it to court with the proof and nail them to the wall .. like they try to do with you.
I have a friend they purchase the house it's a little Bungalow in St Louis and for some reason I don't know why the electric meter and meter base is in the kitchen up top of the corner above the refrigerator he has never paid for electric service it was off when he moved in and he just put copper tabs in there and made contact as electric has been on ever since
my smart meter cought fire too here in Michigan, in Connecticut 5 houses blew up from new smart gas meter!