I asked the Dept of Energy & Net Zero in an foi to list the benefits to me of having a SMART meter, after 2 months I have yet to have a benefit identified.
@@RockinJohnny What the companies are saying is that the stockholders are smart if they keep increasing the stock price. It's got nothing with the public or the consumer.
If you remember when smart meters were offered people in GERMANY were resistant to them because it was let slip by a politician that it was a way of bringing in time of use tarrif GERMAN PEOPLE PERHAPS DONT LISTEN GOVERMENT KNOWS BEST ?
Economy seven... it used to be called in UK .... just like the old days,,,poor kids have to stay up longer for their meals on schools noights to be cook on cheaper rate..... parents stay up later to put wshing machines on on cheaper rate..... all inconveniences for the poor that the rich dont worry about.......
@@MrEdrftgyuji _Or controlling usage - especially winter nights, as we have to buy much of our electricity from France! What a nightmare it will all be._
CEO of British Gas has recently given himself a new pay package. From £4.300,000 to £8.600,000. I wonder how he managed to get that when there is a cost of living crisis.
Nobody needs that amount of money. There should be an upper limit to how much you can earn as an executive salary especially when you are delivering essential public services. It's criminal, and OFGEM need to be replaced.
Me to, but not them words 🤣 I scream, “stop phoning me, I don’t want one and will never change my mind” at the top of my voice and that’s very very loud 😀
You would have to if your meter stops working none of the electric companies store or supply the old ones and people buying the old ones of eBay are being ripped off they're either extremely overpriced or broken !!!
@@themitchell1972 Look into it where? I'm 76 living on my own who only has a gas fire that I use sparingly plus electric cooker. My bill is roughly half energy and half standing charge. I don't have a smart meter and I don't receive any benefits, just a single woman's pension.
If you use less utilities, the price has to rise. Basic economics. Same running costs, less units used/sold, price per unit has to rise. Complete hoodwinking.
Nuclear is ideal for base load but slow to react to sudden increases. I’m looking at a power wall with solar and plug in for recharging (no smart meter or ev)
Since when has any "smart" technology been for our benefits? Look at smart phones, they are glorified tracking devices. The vast majority of people own one.
My supplier Eon, had over £500 of my money, I wanted it back, they said sure, sign up for a new tariff, all of the tariff’s involved a smart meter. Two weeks later I rang them up and told them I was moving out. I got my refund, and switched to EDF, who do not insist on a smart meter.
I just said I wanted a refund and didn’t answer their phone calls although not on purpose. I then asked for my refund again stating I was legally allowed to it as per some Reference I found and got it within a week. We do not legally have to have a smart meter and it is against the law for them to withhold our money. I now pay my bill in full every month.
Or, like in the US if they stipulate that you have to have a smart meter. Just write to them saying .. no problem, but to have their appliances on your property, draw up a contract saying to them .. then it's only fair that you charge them a rental .. say £10 a day! That should have them rethinking about it?
They keep trying to give me one! I asked them does it use electricity? Yes it does. Well i dont need to use more electricity to tell me how much electricity im using! Ill turn off switches im hot using and use what i want when I want and I'll worry about my energy costs thanks but NO THANKS Have you noticed UK Gov is getting more and more intrusive into our daily lives, nothing coming out of the Gov is ever for the best for the economy and the standards of living but always a form of control
check out where certain government individuals stand on podiums and make speeches.. especially in Davos, Switzerland, in January each year.. Sunak, Hunt, Cameron, and the new monarch are all key figures also take note.. that this is world wide (which is something alot of people forget) so it is no accident that the 'right' people were in the 'right' place at the 'right' time for all this to happen
They don't want you going anywhere anyway that's the hole point of there 15 minute cities bs , so it doesn't matter if your car is electric or not because " you'll own nothing and be happy " why do you think they're bringing in laws for the emotion of hate and make it an arrestable offense to hate someone it's not for your safety or the safety of the alphabet people it's so you cannot criticize these draconian laws that they're enforcing on us !!!! If you criticize the governments you go to jail ! Simply put communism !!!
Unfortunately, my resistance to a smart meter was lost when my current gas meter started racking up huge, erroneous usage metering. It literally went rogue and even recorded massive usage when I turned off the main valve for a day. Eventually I got Scottish Power to admit it was faulty and they agreed to "reset" my bill - but only if I accepted a pair of smart meters being installed. These come with a very nice "guiltometer" which I switched off this winter.
@@chrislee6650 No idea. There is a perfect storm ahead too in 2028 when the only nuclear power station still on line will be Sizewell. Nuclear generation is currently at roughly 6000MW and this will fall to just 1200MW. Renewables won't make up that shortfall and with the push for EVs, serious problems are only a few short years away.
This is why I refused to have a smart meter.. Its a con . personally I liked the meter reader coming around to read the meter..??? Have you ever considered just how many people have been made redundant through the instructions of so called smart meters... The only people that have gained through them is energy suppliers.. not having to pay people to read the meter anymore..???
I want to be a migrant with no rent or council tax or gas and electricity bills or council tax I would also get hotels and meals and spending money and mobile phones for free
So go to Dover, wait for a boatload to land and just mingle with them. Either that or take an old inflatable with you and say you just made the crossing on your own.
I've still got my old key meter. Tried warning people about smart meters years ago, lots of us did and still do, but we just keep getting called conspiracy theorists. Wait until they start rationing your energy usage. Big fine for you if you use over what your allowed. I mean, we could come to some kind of a deal right? You need more energy to see you through the week? Pay up! ..but hay, don't listen to me, I'm just a conspiracy theorist.
Economy 7 and the multiple other off-peak tariffs were OK only as long as the consumer knew the exact time the cheap rate was active - and many didn't ! Many consumers didn't realise that the on-peak tariff was more expensive than standard rate only tariff.
As someone who has worked in the industry, this was obvious a decade ago when they were being first pushed and is exactly the reason why I don't have a smart meter. As with all things, the more monitoring that happens, the more you get controlled.
Impossible to bypass if you even breath on them they send signal to company to tell them your tampering and if you pull main fuse that sends them signal too 🫨
You have the right to stop them phoning you or sending repetitve letters - just allow emails, and you set this up on their website - they prefer emails as it's cheaper, and in the 'contact me' section of their site, you can also refuse all marketing contact so all you get is the bill and/or tarrif change imformation.... set up an on-line account with them and look into it.
I had a smart meter fitted in my shop which failed after the first month so they decided to charge me £865 for an estimated months electricity despite me only paying £180 a month previously. After a phone call they said they would refund me £700 and would cancel the £750 bill which they were going to charge me for the following month. Annoyingly I have to wait 5 working days for the refund and as it’s the Easter bank holiday weekend it means I won’t see my money back for 2 weeks. Terrible!! And they haven’t contacted me to fix the smart meter either.
You are lucky I waited five years for smart meter, engineers never turned up. Always paid on dd was thousands in credit wouldn’t give me my money back they just credit your account. In the end cancelled dd got letters harassing me but what could they do I didn’t owe them anything😅
That's on you for not keeping a check on it, especially as it was new. Yes the energy companies could do better but all you needed to do was submit a reading when you knew it wasn't working to avoid an estimated bill.
Make it a legal requirement for the power companies to provide an itemised paper bill showing the time period, applicable rate and units used over said period.
The government was given a report in 2011 from The Radiation Research Trust, confirming Smart Meters breach, The Universal Declaration of human rights, Article 5. Illnesses from the meters, headaches, insomnia, Fatigue, Tinnitus, Heart Arrhythmia/palpitations,Decreased immune funtion, Irritability, Decreased cognitive function.
@@Johnsmith-ko9yj lol as a welder i call bs the most power your avrage home can draw is 100amps at 240v-220 or 24kw -22kw one yes one large tig welder at my work uses 50kw and the lazer cutter over 100kw plus all other welders running at same time water jet basicly alot and i mean alot of power so why is no one ill
@@TCBOT Meter readings on my Trifield of my similar welding workshop with more powerful kit indicate low healthy levels of magnetic and emf fields so that qualifies that issue. The same cannot relate to other equipment, particularly cell-phone towers.
Can some Adults with Common Sense just get TOGETHER and discuss what all this Net Zero, 15 Min Cities, ULEZ, LTNs, Digital ID, CBDC, etc,etc,etc. What a bag of shite this world has become.😠
I live in Spain, went back in December after 10 years to find my parents had one of these meters. I've never seen anything so ridiculous, using electric to see what you use. Their meter has a max of 8 hours charge so unless kept plugged in its useless. Boil a kettle and the meter turns red, put the heating on and the meter almost self combusts.
I don’t need a smart meter to tell me that putting the kettle on for cuppa uses a lot of electric, or putting the heating on, putting the washing machine, or electric oven, I already know that. Having a smart meter wouldn’t cut my usage of these or any other appliances. I use them when I need to use them, so what is the point of a smart meter? perhaps I would not have to get on my hands and knees once a month to read the meter. Oh! I might as I may become one of the 4million smart meters that don’t work correctly.
Unfortunately I have a 'Smart' meter . I'm now heading for my 3rd replacement as they have all had 'Technical' issue's and I have had to supply manual readings on a regular basis. Another big Con in the Net Zero idiocy. They should be renamed 'Fear' meters.
Sounds to me like they want to turn off-peak into a moving target so that no matter what time I do my washing - morning, evening, or night, they'll whammy me with an inflated charge.
@@sarcasmunlimited1570 Smarter than me, that's for sure. Still, I'm still on a pre-payment meter. I don't know how long that will last until they force a smart meter on me. I've heard they can be switched to a "dumb mode" but I don't know if that makes a difference or not.
@@chrislee6650 It's all a scam. Once upon a time we were told that electricity would be so cheap that it would be practically free; you'd just pay a connection charge. The estate I live on was built in the 1970's to be all-electric, and living just a few miles from a nuclear power station you'd think we'd be getting cheap electric, but it's no cheaper than anywhere else - probably more. People use less and less electric, but the price keeps going UP. No matter how much less you use or when you use it, they'll either raise the rate, change the off-peak times, or increase the price of the standing charge.
You just know that the system will consider your washing machine started at 06:00 to be „peak“, your slow-cooker started at 23:55 to be „peak“, and your charging of any EV to be „peak“ even though it's set to start charging only after Economy 7 comes on... 🔋 ...But at the same time; Your neighbour - Who works nights and sleeps through the day - Will also find that his charging the car from 05:00 is „Peak“, his use of the cooker at 06:00 is „Peak“, and his boiling his „morning“ kettle at 15:30 is also „peak“... 🤔 Different strokes, different folks. Different meters in the same street, different „Off-peak“ times depending on when _you_ tend to use _your_ electricity supply... 🙅
I’ve told my energy company that if they keep hassling me to go over to a Smart Meter I will charge them every time they contact me. I’ve heard nothing since.
Brilliant, this is the sort of stance we need to take .. just like if they want their meters on our property, then it's only fair that we charge them a daily rental. Just like they are doing in the United States.
This argument lost out immedately, if so-called renewables are so cheap, power should be cheaper during the day when we occasionally get sunshine and the wind normally is greater during daylight hours.
I have a house with a duel meter (ie. normal and night readings.) my electric company have just sent me a letter saying they now have to switch me to a smart meter because the BBC are turning off the radiowave generator and if I don't get one there will be no control over when the meter switches. Sounds like a load of rubbish to me so I'm going to resist getting one fitted.
The switch-off was scheduled for early 2024 but has now been put back about a year. In any event it won't stop the delivery of leccy, assured my supplier.
@@icouldbewrongicouldberight do you have any details on that at all? I am also affected, but when I looked on ofcom/ofgem? Website it just said the end of march 2024
It is rubbish, more or less. I used to have “radioteleswitch” that operated alongside my 2-rate meter, years ago. It was replaced by the utility firm at the time with a standard non-smart 2-rate meter with a built in clock to switch rates at a fixed time, all year round. 23:36 - 06:36 GMT in my case (the clock is slightly off the normal timing for the deal). It evidently has a built in battery that feeds the clock (we've had a few power cuts that shows that). As long as meters like the one at my place are available, they can get round the loss of service from the old Droitwich transmitter as they did at my place.
Since the Americans blew nordsream pipeline and the EU has sanctioned Russian oil we have a problem. The Russian was our cheap option but Russia sick of EU and has reduce its oil output as have other Arab countries. So we are stuffed.
Well, if OVO keep sending or calling me for a [ Smart Meter ] I'm gonna have them up for Harrasment on the basis of I've already told them NO, DON'T WANT ONE!!!!! UPDATE: They called me yet again, 12 days later, told them to STOP Harrasing me as it's the 2nd phone call and a number of letters, There won't be a 3rd!!!! New update: 2-3 days ago a METER READER came to our block, discovered today the display on my meter is not displaying anything At All! Could this be an attempt to fool me into a [ SMART METER ], uh uh, ain't gonna happen, 😁
This is nothing more than chasing demand to increase profit. You may think peak time is around when people get home from work and are wanting their evening meal. So everyone then stalls putting the dish washer and washing machine on until over night. If everyone does this the new peak load will be overnight and they will adjust the price we pay accordingly. Schemes like smart meters are not for our benefit. They only benefit the energy companies. I still don’t have one, and don’t want one….
I said this a year ago that it was I the pipeline. I'm already annoyed at having to pay for those who don't pay their bills. So my daily standing charge has increased by 10p a day. That's 1 household. The daily charge that cost me £14 in a month last year and I wasn't in the house. Luckily I haven't bowed down to their wish to install a smart meter.
If the government tells you to get anything that is the reason you do not. We do not have one and have refused two of the bloody things and will refuse a third.
Who would get a 'dumb' meter? BBC watchers for example or democratic process enthusiasts maybe. Don't forget to vote next month, you know it really makes a difference.
6 months ago my 'pay by key' electricity meter went on the Fritz so I contacted my supplier to get a replacement. I was told that I would have to have a 'smart' meter replacement as the 'key' meters were no longer produced. Having no option I said ok. An engineer arrived, removed the faulty unit and hooked up the, allegedly, 'smart' meter and then tried to connect it to the system. For some reason, it wouldn't connect, something to do with the internet, so I asked what could be done. He said that he happened to have a new 'old' type 'key' meter in his van and replaced the 'smart' meter with it. I had to get a code from my supplier to change my key to align with the new meter and, Bob's your uncle, I had a working electricity meter again. Woo hoo! No smart 💩for me!
I was told the exact same thing by my supplier (S Power) when my key meter went wrong about how they couldn't get them any more, They tried everything to get a smart meter in my house, even to the point of sending a guy round to fit one despite of my refusal, he was told exactly where he could put that meter & off he went!, all the while the duff meter was still giving me free electricity, the argument went on for 3 months, I also complained to OFGEM & they said I had every right not to have a smart meter & they took on my case, end result was a new key meter arrived, £150 compensation & best of all no bill for the 3 months free electric that the duff meter gave me as they are not allowed to leave you with no power!,
@@no1froggy yeah they tried that one with me too i said i am recording this telephone conversation and that i am giving them a verbal notice that i did not order a smart meter did not consent to having one now or in the future, and that i knew they still had prepayment meters as people were having to pay to get their smart meters removed and have a prepaid put back in, and that is what i require. Tried ever trick in the book now they are wringing me for money via prepayment key meter, Ripping me off like everyone else. I was with SSE and then all off a sudden I'm with OVO? I never switched to them never asked for them to supply electric, they say they took over SSE really? As when i top up it does not say OVO? It says on the key receipt Scottish Southern Energy? I tried to look up the contact number for SSE could not find it? These energy companies are so dodgy! I feel like sending the CEO a letter speaking my mind on what i think about him and all the other CEO's of these credit broker companies stealing people's money, and making their wealth on the backs of people suffering, as well as those who die from not being about to afford to top up and keep warm, these "people" have no heart. energyenergy
E-ON have been pestering me for the past 18 months to get a smart meter as - wait for it - I'm on an economy 7 tariff and the radio signal to trigger the night rate is being withdrawn in favour of using a 4G signal. The only items connected to the night rate mains were a couple of storage heaters which both died so I decided not to replace them and heat the flat on an 'as needed' basis instead. Everything else is on the daytime standard rate side of the consumer unit so the change makes no difference to me. Since it has now moved to the new system they appear to be giving me up as a lost cause, they try to phone me occasionally now but all calls to my home and mobile are filtered and they ain't on the approved list! Looks like I did the right thing.
That „Radio signal“ claim is a load of rubbish. A friend received a letter to that effect, and he happens to have the same design of economy seven meter that I do. I placed a grounded shield around mine for a month and continued to monitor the E7 operation using a neon indicator on one of the E7 circuits, and it continued to work exactly as normal despite having no possibility of any radio reception inside that shielding. 📵 tl,dr: The „Radio signal“ from „The BBC“ is - In actual fact - A clock inside the meter itself. ⏱
...except everyone else will also put their washing machines on at midnight and, when you look again, the midnight hour is suddenly another peak time!! There is no getting away from it - SMART is the acronym for Surveillance, Monitoring and Recording using Technology.
On a similar note, I boosted my hot water for 30 minutes yesterday. While sitting in the room next to the boiler I noticed the boiler cut out exactly 33 minutes later. So a 30 minute boost became 33 minutes. Now I wonder if a genius grad wearing braces and red rim glasses is now sitting on a massive bonus and driving a new Porsche for his idea of adding 10% to his company's turnover?
I have the same situation with my kettle. It takes a minute to for the gauge to go back to normal. If it’s happening with kettle it must be happening with all other appliances. Scam.
@@GMN360 There may be a time lag at the beginning too? But yes, if the bill starts immediately you turn on the kettle, then carries on one minute after it boils, then you make a good point. I'll check mine.
My meter started and finished bang in time with the kettle. Maybe a two second lag at each end. But who's to say yours doesn't do something different? My take on this is that smart meters will enable the energy companies to supply, bill etc. every customer individually. Cheap or expensive rates for one house may be totally different for the house next door, even if it's supplied by the same company. That may not be happening yet, but the potential for abuse is built in to the system.
Anyone who thinks that they were introduced for our benefit doesn't understand how things work. The carrot was you can see how much energy you were using and save , despite having to pay for the £ 13 billion rollout . Now you are at the mercy of the government who can use dynamic pricing (although once it was denied), can remotely cut you off if the grid can't cope (think cold wind free days in winter) and can put you on a prepayment tariff if you fail to pay your bills. The cat is out of the bag. Keep your analogue meter.
Have you seen the paper that got passed through government recently, that allows energy companies to switch of wifi connected appliances when they wanted to? what do we have to put with next?
ul be forced onto dirty buses mate.. they dont want ppl to have private transport only rented from .. or trip by trip costs...and theyll set the prices with their monopoly
I work within the industry and I DO NOT and WILL avoid having wherever I can. Remote disconnect, time of day tariffs. Social engineering and directly controlling what and when.
What do you do, clean the office toilets? Time of day tariffs save a lot of money for a lot of people and remote disconnect is a myth printed in the tabloid press I'd expect.
I am on 30 minute intervals which are linked to demand. And yes, I try not to use electricity between 16:00 - 19:30 - those are the peaks. And my dishwasher, washer dryer, etc… all run when the price is at its lowest (which is the very early in the day). Today my appliances ran when the electricity was a negative price.
All operating costs or the so-called “standing charge” should be in the end product cost . When standing charges are 60 - 70 % of a bill something stinks . After all these thieves are just resellers !
Just a brief warning, the Water Companies are installing smart metres. It is apparently compulsory that people have smart water metres. This will mean higher costs for water usage. Getting screwed every which way by utilities companies!
@@lsmith992 Indeed and like solar you are basically paying for part of your bill up front. It takes at least 7-10 years to payback the cost of a battery storage system and that's if you really optimise when it dumps its electricity into your house.
Its the maintenance standing charge that still stings. A topped up pay as you go meter runs dry when your on holiday, Even with the 24/7 fridge off. 40p a day minimum
EDF have just been given the go-ahead to build another nuke power plant in the UK. In France they provide electricity to domestic consumers at $0.14 per Kw/hr. They sell to the UK at $0.48. They are obviously subsidising French consumers at our expense. Why can our MPs not see that EDF are taking the p155? All critical infastructure should be owned and operated by UK companies with an actual person as the CEO; an actual person that can be dragged into court when things go wrong. An investment portfolio cannot serve time.
My water company sent me a letter recently stating that customers must agree to a smart meter otherwise I would pay a premium for my bills. These corporations are nothing but gangsters attempting to extort money from innocent people.
I foolishly had one fitted about 3 years ago, as it was being fitted the installer said it’s 95% not going to work, I said why are you fitting it then? He was right it never worked and has sat in the draw since day one. I live in a large town in the U.K. with good connections to all things of this type.. it’s all a con.
Latest Government figures show that 4 million SMART meters don't work properly. If we all save on the use of energy, the supplier will jack up the unit price.
I'm fortunate that the meter for my flat is located in the basement of the business I live above. EOn tried to force me onto a smart meter, but when their own engineer visited, he flat refused to fit it, citing the fact I didn't have 24/7 access to the location of the meter. I never wanted a smart meter to begin with, so I got on the phone, put the engineer on the line, and had him tell them what he told me.
Yeah, these energy company CEOs, board members, and shareholders are laughing all the way to the bank. If there is any way to put the onus on consumers and taxpayers instead, corporations are going to do it every time.
Corbyn had the solution as he saw the problem years ago; Electricity, Gas and Water should all be in government hands and not ran for profit. These are things we all use and need for a daily life's and when you put that into the hands of corporations that's sole mission is to maximize profits you can guarantee prices will just keep going up until they can't squeeze us no more.
I've been on Octopus Agile for a couple of years now and have got SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper per-unit rates for that entire time: Last month, my average was 11.4p per kwh, less than half the standard Flexible rate! The cheapest times are often during the day on a weekend, so not always in the middle of the night as you might expect (although this does happen often in the winter). Tomorrow, the prices will be slightly NEGATIVE between 10:30am and 4pm! Peak times are usually only 5p more expensive than the Flexible rate, so not bank-breaking. It's common for prices outside peak time to be half the Flexible rate.
When they first came out I realised it would allow them charge separately for different items. Example when they lose the tax from petrol and diesel they will need to get that from somewhere. Your cheap home charging of a car will suffer greatly.
Its no longer required, it is never used so what is the point in it being there. We have Gas power stations now to take up the demand when green energy isn't enough to meet demand. Perhaps they can demolish it and replace it with a fracking site or better still a solar/wind farm.
Higher charges during the busiest part of the day. Next, it will be higher charges during the coldest part of the day. If only there were some sort of solution to that. If only there were some way to warm the World's climate.
Mean while over in Russia where is gets very very cold in winter it costs around £25 a month for gas for a 3 bedroom house , So we are really being screwed in the UK by over inflated prices
That was an obvious outcome of smart metres plus being able to ration power when there are shortages, as is inevitable with unreliable green energy. Electric cars are the same and mean nothing unless you introduce pay per mile.
Anything pushed by govt for 'your' benefit is bollox.
But ... but ... but ... it's for your own good! 😆
Ronald Reagan “Most Terrifying Words - ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’”
Couldn't have put it better myself😊
Exactly. Avoid at all costs.
Yep 👍
The benefits of smart meters only goes one way. And its not customers.
I asked the Dept of Energy & Net Zero in an foi to list the benefits to me of having a SMART meter, after 2 months I have yet to have a benefit identified.
That's why they are called Smart Meters.
@@sarcasmunlimited1570
*_You have to be stupid to believe in them. Just the same with Smart Motorways - stupid and dangerous!_*
Same with so called smart tvs and smart phones, countless problems so what's so smart about them?
@@RockinJohnny
What the companies are saying is that the stockholders are smart if they keep increasing the stock price. It's got nothing with the public or the consumer.
Low income and pensioners getting clobbered again.
First they came for the low income & pensioners...
Not if you don’t have an unsmart meter!
If you remember when smart meters were offered people in GERMANY were resistant to them because it was let slip by a politician that it was a way of bringing in time of use tarrif
GERMAN PEOPLE PERHAPS DONT LISTEN GOVERMENT KNOWS BEST ?
Economy seven... it used to be called in UK .... just like the old days,,,poor kids have to stay up longer for their meals on schools noights to be cook on cheaper rate..... parents stay up later to put wshing machines on on cheaper rate..... all inconveniences for the poor that the rich dont worry about.......
Have any old folk in your family been targeted for a Department of Work and Pensions review or assessment recently?
It's nothing to do with enviromental etc , it's all about maximising profit.
Control as well. They can disconnect any house remotely just by clicking a mouse.
@@MrEdrftgyuji Spot on! They think we are a bunch of idiots. Screw them all, corruption at it`s highest level.
It’s all about culling the likes of us, slowly and softly.
@@TheVigilantShepherd I agree. When will people wake up to the fact that we are at war?
@@MrEdrftgyuji
_Or controlling usage - especially winter nights, as we have to buy much of our electricity from France! What a nightmare it will all be._
Smart meters are for the not so smart.
Same for Smart Cars 😂
@@chriscurtain1816 Smart anything
Other way around, based on what I've seen.
The sheeple are easily fooled .
Yeah smart is the new dumb
CEO of British Gas has recently given himself a new pay package.
From £4.300,000 to £8.600,000.
I wonder how he managed to get that when there is a cost of living crisis.
It should be reduced by Climate Hysteria to Net-Zero.
Nobody needs that amount of money. There should be an upper limit to how much you can earn as an executive salary especially when you are delivering essential public services. It's criminal, and OFGEM need to be replaced.
@@EgoChip WHOLE system needs re booting...
If the government was a program, anti virus would be installed.
@@TheHidden-ny4rk Needs wiping and installing Linux
Unfortunately British gas is owned by France
My energy company has been absolutely relentless trying to get me to have a smart meter and every attempt has been met with a swift fuck off.
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Me to, but not them words 🤣 I scream, “stop phoning me, I don’t want one and will never change my mind” at the top of my voice and that’s very very loud 😀
Mine too
Me too 🤐
ours too eon next .
Won’t entertain one ever.
Me too
One day you will be forced to.
@@davidnowhere2637. They are not compulsory.
Not if you refuse, they don't want any trouble with it @@davidnowhere2637
You would have to if your meter stops working none of the electric companies store or supply the old ones and people buying the old ones of eBay are being ripped off they're either extremely overpriced or broken !!!
We all start using less electricity and gas.Up goes the standing charge.What a rip off.
My last bill was over half for standing charge
You can have a Zero standing charge. Have a look into it. ❤
@@themitchell1972 hey up mate could you give me some information please I did research a couple of years ago but firms that did had stopped offering
@@themitchell1972 Look into it where? I'm 76 living on my own who only has a gas fire that I use sparingly plus electric cooker. My bill is roughly half energy and half standing charge. I don't have a smart meter and I don't receive any benefits, just a single woman's pension.
If you use less utilities, the price has to rise. Basic economics.
Same running costs, less units used/sold, price per unit has to rise.
Complete hoodwinking.
Anything with smart in front of it is not your friend.
Yes, and is controllable from afar - you then have to fight to gain control of your power supply by waiting in a cue on the phone!
All the officials who ignored putting in more Nuclear power should go on trial !
There was a News report when Boris was PM that he was going to build 11 new Nuclear stations. Now , no word of it.
That would be the F'ing Lib Dems🙄
And labour
I think nuclear power will come when ,bill gates and klaus schwab of the wef have killed off most of the world's poor population
Nuclear is ideal for base load but slow to react to sudden increases. I’m looking at a power wall with solar and plug in for recharging (no smart meter or ev)
Only an idiot would have believed that smart meters were for their benefit.
Since when has any "smart" technology been for our benefits? Look at smart phones, they are glorified tracking devices. The vast majority of people own one.
The same idiots who accept smart things, are the same idiots who Vote. 🤣🤣🤣
Were getting ripped off by these very rich power companies 🤬
All banks and power companies in Ireland here have recorded record profits... During a cost of living crisis...
You couldn't make it up
Yes,just look up there fat cat incomes.
Kicking the poor again and again and............
My supplier Eon, had over £500 of my money, I wanted it back, they said sure, sign up for a new tariff, all of the tariff’s involved a smart meter. Two weeks later I rang them up and told them I was moving out. I got my refund, and switched to EDF, who do not insist on a smart meter.
I switched to Octopus, OK so far, when they start that shit, I've told them, I'll be off...
Energy companies have no right to hold on to your money you can demand it back as long as you stay 1 months payment in credit.
I just said I wanted a refund and didn’t answer their phone calls although not on purpose. I then asked for my refund again stating I was legally allowed to it as per some Reference I found and got it within a week. We do not legally have to have a smart meter and it is against the law for them to withhold our money. I now pay my bill in full every month.
Or, like in the US if they stipulate that you have to have a smart meter. Just write to them saying .. no problem, but to have their appliances on your property, draw up a contract saying to them .. then it's only fair that you charge them a rental .. say £10 a day!
That should have them rethinking about it?
@@Syptah47 brilliant idea!
As a general rule I tend to do the opposite to whatever the government tells me to do. It seems to work better for me that way!
Couldn't agree more. The Government is the Enermy!!
Same here.
And here .
Don't drop the soap!
Dropping the soap is fine, just don't pick it up 😉@@EgoChip
Pay cash for everything
I do
I do, I told Sainsbury's why too. Noticed bot many use card now 😂
They keep trying to give me one! I asked them does it use electricity? Yes it does. Well i dont need to use more electricity to tell me how much electricity im using! Ill turn off switches im hot using and use what i want when I want and I'll worry about my energy costs thanks but NO THANKS
Have you noticed UK Gov is getting more and more intrusive into our daily lives, nothing coming out of the Gov is ever for the best for the economy and the standards of living but always a form of control
They have to get more money out of you to pay for the illegals and other foreign interventions. You just pay, don't receive.
check out where certain government individuals stand on podiums and make speeches.. especially in Davos, Switzerland, in January each year..
Sunak, Hunt, Cameron, and the new monarch are all key figures
also take note.. that this is world wide (which is something alot of people forget) so it is no accident that the 'right' people were in the 'right' place at the 'right' time for all this to happen
That could mean that charging your electric car could be more expensive
Could?
They don't want you going anywhere anyway that's the hole point of there 15 minute cities bs , so it doesn't matter if your car is electric or not because " you'll own nothing and be happy " why do you think they're bringing in laws for the emotion of hate and make it an arrestable offense to hate someone it's not for your safety or the safety of the alphabet people it's so you cannot criticize these draconian laws that they're enforcing on us !!!! If you criticize the governments you go to jail ! Simply put communism !!!
Much more expensive .👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Or charge it at the time they pay you money and you will get money to drive an EV 😊
I hope I'm not around when it's compulsory to go electric cars,
There' plenty of us out here who are wide awake, and saw exactly what Smart Meters are all about ages ago. Only the sheeple slept walked into the trap
Unfortunately, my resistance to a smart meter was lost when my current gas meter started racking up huge, erroneous usage metering. It literally went rogue and even recorded massive usage when I turned off the main valve for a day. Eventually I got Scottish Power to admit it was faulty and they agreed to "reset" my bill - but only if I accepted a pair of smart meters being installed. These come with a very nice "guiltometer" which I switched off this winter.
@@chrislee6650 No idea. There is a perfect storm ahead too in 2028 when the only nuclear power station still on line will be Sizewell. Nuclear generation is currently at roughly 6000MW and this will fall to just 1200MW. Renewables won't make up that shortfall and with the push for EVs, serious problems are only a few short years away.
And they look at u like u don't kno what ur talking about or ur mad lol yeah righteeoh 😂
This is why I refused to have a smart meter..
Its a con . personally I liked the meter reader coming around to read the meter..???
Have you ever considered just how many people have been made redundant through the instructions of so called smart meters...
The only people that have gained through them is energy suppliers.. not having to pay people to read the meter anymore..???
This comment deserves 100 likes
I want to be a migrant with no rent or council tax or gas and electricity bills or council tax I would also get hotels and meals and spending money and mobile phones for free
And you hospital/dental appointments and free taxis to and from such place.
just go to france and get on a boat.
me too . everything free . and never paid a penny into our country .
So go to Dover, wait for a boatload to land and just mingle with them. Either that or take an old inflatable with you and say you just made the crossing on your own.
Me to !
I've still got my old key meter. Tried warning people about smart meters years ago, lots of us did and still do, but we just keep getting called conspiracy theorists. Wait until they start rationing your energy usage. Big fine for you if you use over what your allowed. I mean, we could come to some kind of a deal right? You need more energy to see you through the week? Pay up! ..but hay, don't listen to me, I'm just a conspiracy theorist.
This is nothing more than a step back to the old 'Economy 7', that was a money grab too...
I love my whirley wheel economy 7
it’s simple cash extraction. this is the you’ll have nothing part of the unelected WEF plan, they don’t care if anyone is “happy”.
Some ones got to pay for the moneys the government waste every day who do you thinks paying for them cuckoos 😮😮😮😮😮
@@nickcoppard5335 my mother is on economy 7, she was ‘forced’ to have a smart meter by her supplier.
Economy 7 and the multiple other off-peak tariffs were OK only as long as the consumer knew the exact time the cheap rate was active - and many didn't ! Many consumers didn't realise that the on-peak tariff was more expensive than standard rate only tariff.
And they can remotely turn off your supply anytime that they feel like it.
Unless you bypass it! .. which lots are doing!
@WonkyJnr are you really not gonna share how they are doing this? how are people bypassing it?
@@almari7412 😉
As someone who has worked in the industry, this was obvious a decade ago when they were being first pushed and is exactly the reason why I don't have a smart meter.
As with all things, the more monitoring that happens, the more you get controlled.
More engineering of supply and demand. I.e. lack of supply to meet demand. Prices up. Profits up. Costs up.
Don't fall for it. Yet more profiteering.
4millon smart meters in the UK don't work and over charge due to faults in their manufacture and insulation.
i'm not convinced that this is a 'fault'
"faults" 😂😂😂😂 and the gullible will continue to be gullible... By design.... Makes wealth transfer from the peasants much easier
@@loonaticsrunningtheassylum ALL Corporate errors/mistakes ARE Intentional to make more profits from Their 'so-called' mistakes.
@@KemPeck1701 The only faults that happen are Intentional one's.
Impossible to bypass if you even breath on them they send signal to company to tell them your tampering and if you pull main fuse that sends them signal too 🫨
This country is on its @$$ in every aspect.
🤣🤣🤣 This country was born on it's arse.
@@joshuafreshney1206
Absolutely not true.
Just an excuse to charge more money
Tell me you blindly believed the propaganda, without telling you blindly believed the propaganda 🤣
"Benefit". Government definition: Screwing the public for the "Benefit" of the rich.
When did the House of Traitors Ever do Anything for WE the People.
No smart meter for me. I’m glad I’ve told them to do one with all their calls and ignoring their scaremongering letters.
You have the right to stop them phoning you or sending repetitve letters - just allow emails, and you set this up on their website - they prefer emails as it's cheaper, and in the 'contact me' section of their site, you can also refuse all marketing contact so all you get is the bill and/or tarrif change imformation.... set up an on-line account with them and look into it.
Surge pricing on smart meters is nothing new.
It’s been known about for years!
As a pensioner I dont need a smart meter to know how much energy im using or not using
I had a smart meter fitted in my shop which failed after the first month so they decided to charge me £865 for an estimated months electricity despite me only paying £180 a month previously. After a phone call they said they would refund me £700 and would cancel the £750 bill which they were going to charge me for the following month. Annoyingly I have to wait 5 working days for the refund and as it’s the Easter bank holiday weekend it means I won’t see my money back for 2 weeks. Terrible!! And they haven’t contacted me to fix the smart meter either.
You are lucky I waited five years for smart meter, engineers never turned up. Always paid on dd was thousands in credit wouldn’t give me my money back they just credit your account. In the end cancelled dd got letters harassing me but what could they do I didn’t owe them anything😅
That's on you for not keeping a check on it, especially as it was new. Yes the energy companies could do better but all you needed to do was submit a reading when you knew it wasn't working to avoid an estimated bill.
Make it a legal requirement for the power companies to provide an itemised paper bill showing the time period, applicable rate and units used over said period.
They'll tell you that it can't be done, because THEY don't have the tech for it. Bullshit.
Encourage means bully.
If this net zero crap is causing problems now, imagine what 2030 will be like with net zero energy..
It's quite simple. There will be zero energy.
@@sarcasmunlimited1570 exactly
It'll be really fkn dark and really fkn cold.... Only for us peasants though....
The only carbon they want to reduce is you!.
They can cut you off remotely. In the event of an energy shortage, 'power sharing' will be introduced.
They can cut anybody off anyway on the grid so what you say makes no sense
Anything that has smart in front of it is dumb.
It is smart if it can fool you into paying more than if you didn't have it.
Try to bypass them impossible
The government was given a report in 2011 from The Radiation Research Trust, confirming Smart Meters breach, The Universal Declaration of human rights, Article 5.
Illnesses from the meters, headaches, insomnia, Fatigue, Tinnitus, Heart Arrhythmia/palpitations,Decreased immune funtion, Irritability, Decreased cognitive function.
High energy pulses may cause certain health issues.
@@Johnsmith-ko9yj lol as a welder i call bs the most power your avrage home can draw is 100amps at 240v-220 or 24kw -22kw one yes one large tig welder at my work uses 50kw and the lazer cutter over 100kw plus all other welders running at same time water jet basicly alot and i mean alot of power so why is no one ill
@@TCBOT Try looking at frequency emissions you will find that is where the problems reside emf and disturbance to the surroundings you live in.
@@Johnsmith-ko9yj as abovd.
@@TCBOT Meter readings on my Trifield of my similar welding workshop with more powerful kit indicate low healthy levels of magnetic and emf fields so that qualifies that issue. The same cannot relate to other equipment, particularly cell-phone towers.
Higher charges at peak time ... who would have thought.
And at off peak time too
They already do that though. I tend to use less power during peak rates anyway. I run my washing machine at night when it's cheapest.
Smart meters , the greatest scam ever perpetrated on consumers , demand pricing via smart meters , profitering at all costs
profitering
Can some Adults with Common Sense just get TOGETHER and discuss what all this
Net Zero,
15 Min Cities,
ULEZ,
LTNs,
Digital ID,
CBDC, etc,etc,etc.
What a bag of shite this world has become.😠
That because it's being run by corporate psychopaths, narcessists and those in the Polaroid club....... In my opinion
The only one's too blame are the Idiot voters.
Hi it’s been planned for years , all the crap , not bad management , but evil
The world is the way it is because the Voters like it, that X says your Illiterate.
I keep getting call's from my energy company advising me that a smart meter would "benefit me"...yeah right!
And a rental to them from you on your property for their meters would benefit them too .. and you!
Try reporting them for harrasment.
I live in Spain, went back in December after 10 years to find my parents had one of these meters. I've never seen anything so ridiculous, using electric to see what you use. Their meter has a max of 8 hours charge so unless kept plugged in its useless. Boil a kettle and the meter turns red, put the heating on and the meter almost self combusts.
I don’t need a smart meter to tell me that putting the kettle on for cuppa uses a lot of electric, or putting the heating on, putting the washing machine, or electric oven, I already know that. Having a smart meter wouldn’t cut my usage of these or any other appliances. I use them when I need to use them, so what is the point of a smart meter? perhaps I would not have to get on my hands and knees once a month to read the meter. Oh! I might as I may become one of the 4million smart meters that don’t work correctly.
@@nonenone-vt8cg Oh! believe me, I have reported them to OFGEN on more than one occasion.
Unfortunately I have a 'Smart' meter . I'm now heading for my 3rd replacement as they have all had 'Technical' issue's and I have had to supply manual readings on a regular basis. Another big Con in the Net Zero idiocy. They should be renamed 'Fear' meters.
No matter what you do save money , all they will do is increase the price and take the money !
Sounds to me like they want to turn off-peak into a moving target so that no matter what time I do my washing - morning, evening, or night, they'll whammy me with an inflated charge.
They don't call it Smart Meter for nothing.
@@sarcasmunlimited1570 Smarter than me, that's for sure. Still, I'm still on a pre-payment meter. I don't know how long that will last until they force a smart meter on me. I've heard they can be switched to a "dumb mode" but I don't know if that makes a difference or not.
@@herculeholmes504
Dumb Mode is when the meter tries to dumb down the population, and it is the utility company's most profitable mode.
@@chrislee6650 It's all a scam. Once upon a time we were told that electricity would be so cheap that it would be practically free; you'd just pay a connection charge. The estate I live on was built in the 1970's to be all-electric, and living just a few miles from a nuclear power station you'd think we'd be getting cheap electric, but it's no cheaper than anywhere else - probably more.
People use less and less electric, but the price keeps going UP. No matter how much less you use or when you use it, they'll either raise the rate, change the off-peak times, or increase the price of the standing charge.
You just know that the system will consider your washing machine started at 06:00 to be „peak“, your slow-cooker started at 23:55 to be „peak“, and your charging of any EV to be „peak“ even though it's set to start charging only after Economy 7 comes on... 🔋
...But at the same time; Your neighbour - Who works nights and sleeps through the day - Will also find that his charging the car from 05:00 is „Peak“, his use of the cooker at 06:00 is „Peak“, and his boiling his „morning“ kettle at 15:30 is also „peak“... 🤔
Different strokes, different folks. Different meters in the same street, different „Off-peak“ times depending on when _you_ tend to use _your_ electricity supply... 🙅
I’ve told my energy company that if they keep hassling me to go over to a Smart Meter I will charge them every time they contact me. I’ve heard nothing since.
Brilliant, this is the sort of stance we need to take .. just like if they want their meters on our property, then it's only fair that we charge them a daily rental. Just like they are doing in the United States.
This argument lost out immedately, if so-called renewables are so cheap, power should be cheaper during the day when we occasionally get sunshine and the wind normally is greater during daylight hours.
I have a house with a duel meter (ie. normal and night readings.) my electric company have just sent me a letter saying they now have to switch me to a smart meter because the BBC are turning off the radiowave generator and if I don't get one there will be no control over when the meter switches. Sounds like a load of rubbish to me so I'm going to resist getting one fitted.
The switch-off was scheduled for early 2024 but has now been put back about a year. In any event it won't stop the delivery of leccy, assured my supplier.
@@icouldbewrongicouldberight do you have any details on that at all? I am also affected, but when I looked on ofcom/ofgem? Website it just said the end of march 2024
It is rubbish, more or less. I used to have “radioteleswitch” that operated alongside my 2-rate meter, years ago. It was replaced by the utility firm at the time with a standard non-smart 2-rate meter with a built in clock to switch rates at a fixed time, all year round. 23:36 - 06:36 GMT in my case (the clock is slightly off the normal timing for the deal). It evidently has a built in battery that feeds the clock (we've had a few power cuts that shows that). As long as meters like the one at my place are available, they can get round the loss of service from the old Droitwich transmitter as they did at my place.
Since the Americans blew nordsream pipeline and the EU has sanctioned Russian oil we have a problem. The Russian was our cheap option but Russia sick of EU and has reduce its oil output as have other Arab countries. So we are stuffed.
Yep👍 and that was the plan🥳
Research smart meters, radiation and cancer statistics. Then think through the EV car charging implications.
Well, if OVO keep sending or calling me for a [ Smart Meter ] I'm gonna have them up for Harrasment on the basis of I've already told them NO, DON'T WANT ONE!!!!!
UPDATE: They called me yet again, 12 days later, told them to STOP Harrasing me as it's the 2nd phone call and a number of letters, There won't be a 3rd!!!!
New update: 2-3 days ago a METER READER came to our block, discovered today the display on my meter is not displaying anything At All!
Could this be an attempt to fool me into a [ SMART METER ], uh uh, ain't gonna happen, 😁
S.M.A.R.T Self Monotoring And Reporting Technology, F that 😢
This is nothing more than chasing demand to increase profit. You may think peak time is around when people get home from work and are wanting their evening meal. So everyone then stalls putting the dish washer and washing machine on until over night. If everyone does this the new peak load will be overnight and they will adjust the price we pay accordingly.
Schemes like smart meters are not for our benefit. They only benefit the energy companies. I still don’t have one, and don’t want one….
I just removed my smart meter and replaced it with my private property . No 51 p daily charge as I charge them . Octopus is corrupt !
What the hell does that mean ??
I think they mean that they had their own meter fitted. Not very transparent are they 🙄
@@wecandothiswarriors I fit my own meter no daily charge I send it to them and they pay me 🤣🤣🤣🏴🏴✝️
@@waynekerrr9027 I can’t fully explain on here as they remove my comment .
@@waynekerrr9027 if you don’t have a bank or internet how will you top up ? Or DD ?
I said this a year ago that it was I the pipeline. I'm already annoyed at having to pay for those who don't pay their bills. So my daily standing charge has increased by 10p a day. That's 1 household. The daily charge that cost me £14 in a month last year and I wasn't in the house. Luckily I haven't bowed down to their wish to install a smart meter.
If the government tells you to get anything that is the reason you do not.
We do not have one and have refused two of the bloody things and will refuse a third.
Who would get a 'dumb' meter? BBC watchers for example or democratic process enthusiasts maybe. Don't forget to vote next month, you know it really makes a difference.
Net zero, the scam that keeps on taking.
Beware. Smart meters only benefit the suppliers, not their customers.
6 months ago my 'pay by key' electricity meter went on the Fritz so I contacted my supplier to get a replacement. I was told that I would have to have a 'smart' meter replacement as the 'key' meters were no longer produced. Having no option I said ok. An engineer arrived, removed the faulty unit and hooked up the, allegedly, 'smart' meter and then tried to connect it to the system. For some reason, it wouldn't connect, something to do with the internet, so I asked what could be done. He said that he happened to have a new 'old' type 'key' meter in his van and replaced the 'smart' meter with it. I had to get a code from my supplier to change my key to align with the new meter and, Bob's your uncle, I had a working electricity meter again. Woo hoo! No smart 💩for me!
I was told the exact same thing by my supplier (S Power) when my key meter went wrong about how they couldn't get them any more, They tried everything to get a smart meter in my house, even to the point of sending a guy round to fit one despite of my refusal, he was told exactly where he could put that meter & off he went!, all the while the duff meter was still giving me free electricity, the argument went on for 3 months, I also complained to OFGEM & they said I had every right not to have a smart meter & they took on my case, end result was a new key meter arrived, £150 compensation & best of all no bill for the 3 months free electric that the duff meter gave me as they are not allowed to leave you with no power!,
@@no1froggy yeah they tried that one with me too i said i am recording this telephone conversation and that i am giving them a verbal notice that i did not order a smart meter did not consent to having one now or in the future, and that i knew they still had prepayment meters as people were having to pay to get their smart meters removed and have a prepaid put back in, and that is what i require.
Tried ever trick in the book now they are wringing me for money via prepayment key meter, Ripping me off like everyone else.
I was with SSE and then all off a sudden I'm with OVO? I never switched to them never asked for them to supply electric, they say they took over SSE really? As when i top up it does not say OVO?
It says on the key receipt Scottish Southern Energy?
I tried to look up the contact number for SSE could not find it?
These energy companies are so dodgy!
I feel like sending the CEO a letter speaking my mind on what i think about him and all the other CEO's of these credit broker companies stealing people's money, and making their wealth on the backs of people suffering, as well as those who die from not being about to afford to top up and keep warm, these "people" have no heart.
energyenergy
The companies are just greedy, Scotland is producing 3.5 times the electricity it uses in a year. Prices should be getting cheaper
Another step to confuse the consumer your choice is actually no choice at all. Got it rebel!
Sorry, will not entertain any form of smart meter. Net zero should be scrapped, it is absolute nonsense.
E-ON have been pestering me for the past 18 months to get a smart meter as - wait for it - I'm on an economy 7 tariff and the radio signal to trigger the night rate is being withdrawn in favour of using a 4G signal. The only items connected to the night rate mains were a couple of storage heaters which both died so I decided not to replace them and heat the flat on an 'as needed' basis instead. Everything else is on the daytime standard rate side of the consumer unit so the change makes no difference to me.
Since it has now moved to the new system they appear to be giving me up as a lost cause, they try to phone me occasionally now but all calls to my home and mobile are filtered and they ain't on the approved list! Looks like I did the right thing.
That „Radio signal“ claim is a load of rubbish. A friend received a letter to that effect, and he happens to have the same design of economy seven meter that I do. I placed a grounded shield around mine for a month and continued to monitor the E7 operation using a neon indicator on one of the E7 circuits, and it continued to work exactly as normal despite having no possibility of any radio reception inside that shielding. 📵
tl,dr: The „Radio signal“ from „The BBC“ is - In actual fact - A clock inside the meter itself. ⏱
Anything smart is dumb and so are the idiots that have them.
...except everyone else will also put their washing machines on at midnight and, when you look again, the midnight hour is suddenly another peak time!! There is no getting away from it - SMART is the acronym for Surveillance, Monitoring and Recording using Technology.
On a similar note, I boosted my hot water for 30 minutes yesterday. While sitting in the room next to the boiler I noticed the boiler cut out exactly 33 minutes later. So a 30 minute boost became 33 minutes. Now I wonder if a genius grad wearing braces and red rim glasses is now sitting on a massive bonus and driving a new Porsche for his idea of adding 10% to his company's turnover?
I have the same situation with my kettle. It takes a minute to for the gauge to go back to normal. If it’s happening with kettle it must be happening with all other appliances. Scam.
How we are suffering and paying for the net zero freaks striving to achieve their nutty ambition.
@@GMN360 There may be a time lag at the beginning too? But yes, if the bill starts immediately you turn on the kettle, then carries on one minute after it boils, then you make a good point. I'll check mine.
Checking now 😁
My meter started and finished bang in time with the kettle. Maybe a two second lag at each end. But who's to say yours doesn't do something different? My take on this is that smart meters will enable the energy companies to supply, bill etc. every customer individually. Cheap or expensive rates for one house may be totally different for the house next door, even if it's supplied by the same company. That may not be happening yet, but the potential for abuse is built in to the system.
I have had a smart meter
pre /payment for 9 years never had a problem (utilities wherehouse)
I find this more convenient .🤔🇬🇧
i know right
And sod everyone else
@@icouldbewrongicouldberight yea. i'm alright jack
Anyone who thinks that they were introduced for our benefit doesn't understand how things work. The carrot was you can see how much energy you were using and save , despite having to pay for the £ 13 billion rollout . Now you are at the mercy of the government who can use dynamic pricing (although once it was denied), can remotely cut you off if the grid can't cope (think cold wind free days in winter) and can put you on a prepayment tariff if you fail to pay your bills. The cat is out of the bag. Keep your analogue meter.
Have you seen the paper that got passed through government recently, that allows energy companies to switch of wifi connected appliances when they wanted to? what do we have to put with next?
Just wait until we are forced into EVs. Everyone will pay way more, even households with out EVs.
battery life isnt good enought yet 8-10 years se enough in the junk yard as is wont take long for ppl to be like this isnt very green
The EV industry will collapse before that happens as people don't want or can't afford an EV. EVen if I had the money I still wouldn't buy one.
ul be forced onto dirty buses mate.. they dont want ppl to have private transport only rented from .. or trip by trip costs...and theyll set the prices with their monopoly
It won't be long before you will have to register all your electrical items with them so if you have A rated item you payless E rated you pay more
I work within the industry and I DO NOT and WILL avoid having wherever I can. Remote disconnect, time of day tariffs. Social engineering and directly controlling what and when.
What do you do, clean the office toilets? Time of day tariffs save a lot of money for a lot of people and remote disconnect is a myth printed in the tabloid press I'd expect.
I am on 30 minute intervals which are linked to demand. And yes, I try not to use electricity between 16:00 - 19:30 - those are the peaks. And my dishwasher, washer dryer, etc… all run when the price is at its lowest (which is the very early in the day). Today my appliances ran when the electricity was a negative price.
All operating costs or the so-called “standing charge” should be in the end product cost .
When standing charges are 60 - 70 % of a bill something stinks .
After all these thieves are just resellers !
Just a brief warning, the Water Companies are installing smart metres. It is apparently compulsory that people have smart water metres. This will mean higher costs for water usage. Getting screwed every which way by utilities companies!
Buy batteries charge them at night use them during the day. These fraudsters are driving me mad!!!!
I've done that too but they're bloody expensive. Mine are for power cuts so far
@@lsmith992EMFs too
@@lsmith992 Indeed and like solar you are basically paying for part of your bill up front. It takes at least 7-10 years to payback the cost of a battery storage system and that's if you really optimise when it dumps its electricity into your house.
Its the maintenance standing charge that still stings.
A topped up pay as you go meter runs dry when your on holiday,
Even with the 24/7 fridge off.
40p a day minimum
EDF have just been given the go-ahead to build another nuke power plant in the UK. In France they provide electricity to domestic consumers at $0.14 per Kw/hr. They sell to the UK at $0.48. They are obviously subsidising French consumers at our expense. Why can our MPs not see that EDF are taking the p155? All critical infastructure should be owned and operated by UK companies with an actual person as the CEO; an actual person that can be dragged into court when things go wrong. An investment portfolio cannot serve time.
Smart water meters are being trialled already. Mostly in new social housing and by Thames Water.
Was told this by one of their employees.
My water company sent me a letter recently stating that customers must agree to a smart meter otherwise I would pay a premium for my bills. These corporations are nothing but gangsters attempting to extort money from innocent people.
I foolishly had one fitted about 3 years ago, as it was being fitted the installer said it’s 95% not going to work, I said why are you fitting it then? He was right it never worked and has sat in the draw since day one. I live in a large town in the U.K. with good connections to all things of this type.. it’s all a con.
Latest Government figures show that 4 million SMART meters don't work properly. If we all save on the use of energy, the supplier will jack up the unit price.
I keep refusing to have smart meter installed 😊
I'm fortunate that the meter for my flat is located in the basement of the business I live above. EOn tried to force me onto a smart meter, but when their own engineer visited, he flat refused to fit it, citing the fact I didn't have 24/7 access to the location of the meter.
I never wanted a smart meter to begin with, so I got on the phone, put the engineer on the line, and had him tell them what he told me.
Yeah, these energy company CEOs, board members, and shareholders are laughing all the way to the bank. If there is any way to put the onus on consumers and taxpayers instead, corporations are going to do it every time.
Corbyn had the solution as he saw the problem years ago; Electricity, Gas and Water should all be in government hands and not ran for profit. These are things we all use and need for a daily life's and when you put that into the hands of corporations that's sole mission is to maximize profits you can guarantee prices will just keep going up until they can't squeeze us no more.
I have a smart meter on the Octopus Go tarrif, it saves me a fortune consuming energy between 00.30 and 04.30
If you run a small business they can charge you what they like. It's a joke
I've been on Octopus Agile for a couple of years now and have got SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper per-unit rates for that entire time: Last month, my average was 11.4p per kwh, less than half the standard Flexible rate!
The cheapest times are often during the day on a weekend, so not always in the middle of the night as you might expect (although this does happen often in the winter). Tomorrow, the prices will be slightly NEGATIVE between 10:30am and 4pm!
Peak times are usually only 5p more expensive than the Flexible rate, so not bank-breaking. It's common for prices outside peak time to be half the Flexible rate.
It's called a Smart Meter because it's designed to outsmart you.
When they first came out I realised it would allow them charge separately for different items. Example when they lose the tax from petrol and diesel they will need to get that from somewhere. Your cheap home charging of a car will suffer greatly.
Radcliffe power staition at the side of the m1, closes in summer! CRAZY!
Its no longer required, it is never used so what is the point in it being there. We have Gas power stations now to take up the demand when green energy isn't enough to meet demand. Perhaps they can demolish it and replace it with a fracking site or better still a solar/wind farm.
Higher charges during the busiest part of the day.
Next, it will be higher charges during the coldest part of the day.
If only there were some sort of solution to that.
If only there were some way to warm the World's climate.
Mean while over in Russia where is gets very very cold in winter it costs around £25 a month for gas for a 3 bedroom house , So we are really being screwed in the UK by over inflated prices
If the company keeps asking you to get one complain that you are being harassed. Also ask if they have a risk assessment for them.
That was an obvious outcome of smart metres plus being able to ration power when there are shortages, as is inevitable with unreliable green energy. Electric cars are the same and mean nothing unless you introduce pay per mile.
I've saved £10,000 by using a smart meter and and electric car instead of a petrol car. Over 100,000 miles. They are great!
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