Are 3.5 inch Shotgun Shells Worth it? (and Why I love Them Now...)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ส.ค. 2024
- I always said I wouldnt need 3.5 inch shels.. Well after using them this past season I have changed my mind.. Here's why..
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What do you charge for a snow goose hunt?
Bobby I'd like to quote you.
"With 3 inches you can get it done"
Lmao love the videos
100% agree on the 3" for ducks and 3.5 for geese. I haven't tried any Black Cloud, but I will next year!
Once you shoot BlackCloud you won’t want to shoot anything else i mean that
No hate at all, but just remember that Bobby gets paid by federal. So he is required to talk good about Black Cloud. Rio performs just as well if not better and is less than half the price.
@@BobbyGuyFilms I’m not impressed with black cloud at all. Plus a round pellet penetrates better
When I switched to 3.5" Blackcloud BB's, my kill rate went way up. The extra shot in the pattern really helps. But, the caveat is; that particular load patterns well in my gun, a Bennili Nova pump, but it may not in yours. Always test the load to your particular gun setup.
Are 3.5 shells worth it?
Yeah when you have a sponsor......
Or a good job
Pattern Test 3 inch vs 3 1/2 shells!!
7:55 Fred's face
Hey Bobby! Love you films man. I’ve been patterning shotguns for 15 years now and I have found that although you may get a few more pellets in a 3.5” shell, the pressure difference equates to patterns with close to identical pellet counts on paper. Since you can get speeds that are incredibly similar and the velocity advantage is basically lost by 40 yards, I find that shooting 3” is similar or sometimes better since 3” shells usually pattern better. Don’t get me wrong I have multiple 3.5” guns but I haven’t shot a 3.5” in years.
Btw, if we are comparing a 1-1/4oz BB to 1-3/8oz BB, it’s only 8 or 9 pellets. Roughly 88 to 97.
Keep doing what you’re doing! Good luck
Thank you so much for this comment. You saved me so much typing haha. In all the testing I've done with chronographs, pattern boards, and barrel pressures, there has never been a reason to choose a 3.5 over a 3. Unless your trying to bust through an elephant's skull at 5 feet... I got so frustrated with trying to find a manufactured shot shell that had a +/-50fps average, with consistent patterning, that I went to load my own shells now. And the only shells that were coming across the chronograph at even close to the advertised speeds were black clouds. Everything else was 100-150fps slower on a 20 shot average then advertised.
It's a difference to me.. Depends on what types of ducks I'm shooting though and how high up they are..
I use 3 inch shells for geese because that's about all I can handle for the amount i shoot
Just bought a Rock Island Armory 12 gauge VR40 Mag-Fed pump shotgun, and I love love love it 😎🇺🇸
HOW DID I JUST SEE THIS VIDEO??? I loved making the dog collar for you, and of course always enjoy the videos. I’ve learned all I know from your chanel !! Tell you sweet family I said hello!!
I like running two 3” an my final shot being 3.5”
I’ve known a Freddy but it wasn’t a dog , believe it or not it was a cat called Freddy , used to be of someone I cared for and he passed away about a year ago and Freddy reminds me very much of him , carry on doing the hard good work .
Most of the 3.5" BB loads I have patterned have had an average of 100 - 109 pellets. Odd ball loads like Blind Side and Hevi-Metal (old version) have a few more.
Winchester Drylok 1.5 oz = 106
Estate 1.375 oz = 100
Black Cloud 1.5 oz = 104
Federal Speed Shok 1.5 oz = 109
Hevi-Metal 1.5 oz = 136
Blind Side 1.625 oz = 117
Hi Bobby. You got my letter and read it in this video. Thanks man I was screaming like a baby. Bobby’s reading my letter.
A pellet of the same given size out of a 3” shell or a 3.5” shell doing the same velocity is no different. The only advantage is more pellets. I have used both. This last season I went back to 3” shells as I just didn’t kill ducks or geese anymore dead with 3.5”. In fact, I made some of my more impressive shots this season with 3”. The recoil is easily twice the amount as well. I suppose you have to decide if you think it’s worth it especially the cost. But as I always say, you do you.
Some 3.5 have 1 9/16 oz. Tho where most of them are the same as the 3" I've found fiochi is the 1 9/16
Agreed. I'm not that great a shot, although I try to practice on clays as much as I can. I have made enough shots with 3.5's on geese and now ducks (when struggling to get birds in close) to know they'll put'm in the bag. I had a horrible season this year shooting this new Benelli that only shot 3" shells (sold that thing, gun fit/point of impact issue....sent it back to Benelli, they said ~"unable to duplicate POI issue"). I have another Benelli just like it that shoots unbelievable/fits awesome......wierd. I digress. Last 2 weeks of the season, I was like, "hell w/ this. I'm done with this gun."
Went back to my sledgeamatic Maxus. Said myself, "Self we're not messing around now." - (started using cheap 3.5 " Win 1-1/4 #2's (1625fps)) last 2 weeks of duck season and just started hammering the ducks, stone-cold dead. Rough season, but ended with some consolation.
Take care fellas, good luck next year.
Hey Bobby I used 3.5 inch long beard xr Turkey shotshells this past spring and I shot four tom turkeys at 68 yards. These shells are absolutely killer when paired with Carlson's long beard xr .650 constriction Turkey choke. I will never go back to three inch turkey shotshells after getting four turkeys over 65 yards away with these shells. Congrats on the new house
In what state are you allowed to shoot 4 toms in the spring season?
Fred is one of the most calm Labs that I've seen in awhile. Good looking hound you have there!
He’s amazing man
What do u mean my yellow lab is the chilest dog ever she will sit all day with out using the bathroom
Yet another great video. I usually shoot a #2, 3inch for everything. You might have convinced me to try a 3.5 inch. I'm curious if you have ever hunted common snipe or if you would do a hunt on them? It would be cool to see.
Jamin Parker Bobby you need to hunt snipe and rails
Love it when Frederick smiles for the camera...:)
Good to here your booking up. Lots of us up here are getting cancellations. Not looking good up here. As to the 3.5 thing. We have a saying. Aim high or sleep in the street.
I love watching your videos the best is watching Fred when he was sitting right next to you smiling he loves you man appreciate all the videos keep up the good work and Fred your stud
Gas operated gun. Ported over bored Barrel bored with extended forcing cone, Pachmayr decelerator or limbsaver pad , Mercury Recoil Reducer, proper fit, will eliminate that muzzle jump. Super X2 Winchester or 935 Mossberg would be a good candidate to start with. All of the lightweight guns are going to have tremendous muzzle jump causing lots of Miss shots at long range.
OMG! Freddo is a doll! Makes me want another one so bad. We lost our Mr. Spencer (Golden Retriever) back in April. Again keep up the great work! Love your channel!
Good Evening Bobby . you talked a lot of sense about the 3 inch and the 3.5 . I totally agree 3 inch for the Duck and 3.5 for them Big Honkers , I have shot them both with my son's gun as I am old school with only 2 3/4 chambers but will upgrade to 3.5 with a new gun shortly . Loved Fred's new collar! Look forward to the last snow goose hunt . Keep yourself and your family safe and well in these very trying times, as you said in the video. Malc and Ann (England) UK xxx
Hey some people say you don't need a pow pow but then they call some one with one when there in trouble, SOOOO 3" is good but hey the some times you need to call in the 3 1/2".
You, your family (especially your wife with her job) and Fred all stay safe and we'll.
Hope to meet ya soon
Keep on keeping on
Awesome video like always fred looks really tired he's a nice dog stay safe you and your family and Fred
3.5" blackcloud BB devastating on honkers 🤘
Absolutely !!!!
I’m happy to see you all booked, congrats
2 3/4” bismuth #4 crushes honkers, and isn’t much more expensive than 3 1/2 blackcloud . Can run it safely through extra tight choke, and I’m more accurate with less recoil. Occasionally run 3in #3 bismuth when hunting an edge
Great channel man! Love Fred.
Thanks my man i love doing this!
You and Fred are an awesome team bud, when I get my puppy I will be watching your Fred training videos to help me
Fred hunts almost every day better to train more before starting hunting harder to correct problem behavior than correct it.
he’s amazing
The 3.5 is easily overlooked due to the violence at both ends. Given a second look I've noticed that they are better.
3 1/2 inch 2s are the move. Absolutely hammers ducks and geese. Good dense pattern and ability to shoot far.
I knew you'd come to the light eventually
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3.5 inch shells are not my style. I prefer 2.75 inch. Get the birds in close when you can or shoot high density pellets. But I don’t like big recoil. Great job, keep it up and stay safe Bobby!
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That Is an awesome collar I'm jealous! Such creativity into it and design!
Good video Bob , I get it you need to sale 3 1/2 inch for Federal as well either or both shell’s will get it done! Congrats Bob👍
Nine just has a 3 inch chamber, but last season i was shooting 2 3/4 regular steel shot. That just seemed to tickle the birds. I definitely want to try Black Cloud. I might just use my old stuff to practice on clay pidgeons and get better for next fall. Fred is a chill Yellow Lab. Mine would be tearing into everything.
Labs are simply all around the best dogs
3.5" vs 3" bb is only about a 17 pellet difference I believe
I did a comparison between Kent fast steel BB 3inch and 3-1/2 inch and the difference in that brand was 23 bbs
you're guess is close! I bet each brand is different though.
If we’re only shooting ducks, we use 3” in 2s or 4s. If we’re only shooting geese, we use 3.5” in either BBs or 2s. If we’re shooting a mix of ducks and geese in our overlapping seasons, we shoot 3.5” in 2s.
Personally I shoot 3" because they tend to be less expensive and they have less recoil. However I always carry a box of 3 1/2" #2 black cloud for when the birds just won't comment and longer shots become mandatory.
Great video like always 😎👍 maybe do a pigeon trapping video lol
My uncle shoots nothing but 3 1/2 in shells that are Kent number 1 and 1 9/16 oz but I personally love the 3 in number 2 and 1 1/4 oz by federal
The ammo manufacturers want you to believe they do but they don’t. Bigger payload equals lower velocity, much lower in some instances, and far less energy per pellet. Yes there are more pellets per shot than a 2 3/4 “ but how many of those extra pellets actually find their way to the kill zone. Not many more if any more at all. Less velocity, less energy, maybe the same number of pellets on target, far more recoil and a much higher price. Go ahead and keep making ammo manufacturers richer if you want but I’ll stick with what works just fine
Make a video of some bowfishing for carp up here in Washington with me. Come try it out
You should go King Eider hunting in Alaska in one of the upcoming seasons
i would really like to
There you go Fred!!! You good boy...
You know what would be a cool video idea trying to shoot geese or ducks with a cylinder or improved cylinder choke
Bad shoulder, 3" is enough! Lol Great video
We pattern all the shells we shoot. We mostly shoot big shot. We want to body kill and not just break wings. If you are shooting 40 yds or less yds the shot size is not so critical. Beyond that you need energy. BBB or larger, energy is what kills. BBBs stack almost perfectly in the bore diameter of the 12. In the 10 Ts and TTs give great patterns, 50 to 55 in a 30 in. circle at 50 yds. After all our patterning and field experience, if I had to use a 12, I would use all BBBs. Less chasing with a 50yd+ gun and a bit longer if you can shoot. My hunting buddy is one of those freaks of nature who can hit anything at any range. Shot size and pattern and energy of the shot are the limiting factor. With big shot, you only need one or two to smoke em.
Have you thought about doing homing pigeons? I think that would be a really fun loft to do! You could free fly them during the day.
Would like to see a video on off season routines for Fred if possible. Keep it up Bobby!
I shoot black cloud 3.5 inch but I use 3 bbb and I shoot Kent 3.5 inch 3 bbb
Modify chokes for big shot. I have made shots in the Idoughitsphere with BBBs.
I've been shooting 3" for ducks and 3.5" for geese for 2 years now and love the setup. However, I use a patternmaster code black goose choke and it hates black cloud ammo. But it absolutely hammers with hevi shot hevi metal 3" no.2 and 3.5" BB
We shoot pattern masters quite a bit and we mostly shoot 3” and that hammers them too and we rarely shoot hevi shot
Have your barrel worked on, tighten your choke and there's no difference between the 3 and 3 1/2 in. Barrel porting will reduce muzzle jump and kick.
Nice one thanks Bob
Bobby I love ur vids they get me through the day and they are great!!! Keep up the good work!!🥰🥰
being all kept up in the house i hope i can help yall right now for real
Doesn’t matter if your using 2-3/4 or a 5 inch shell. If your aim sucks it won’t matter.
Did Confucius say that?
Matt O no... Confucius say “Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day”
@@WikkedR1 He who stands on toilet is high on pot.
Matt O War no determine who right. War determine who left.
When I started shooting, I couldn't hit a thing. I saw a book in the library about Lucky McDaniel about instinct shooting. After following the book, I was shooting aspirins out of the air with my BB gun. When I went duck hunting after that I could hardly miss. My hunting partners were missing so they bought magnum shells and still missed while was using 2 dollar a box one oz loads of 5s and just killing them. Learning to lead and shoot is where it is at.
Hey bobby when will we be able to book hunts with you? Ps.love your videos
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My m3500 loves that 3.5" federal speed-shok BB and 2 shot with a full choke. Had much better success with the 3.5" shell especially at distance. Great video brother
What animal? I was planning on getting the M3000 for better cycling than the m3500 but now I am unsure. It is my first shotgun and want it for upland, waterfowl, and to try on some deer.
@@CE-vd2px I hunt waterfowl, turkey, and upland, but I'll be going on a deer hunt this season at a buddies property. I would go with the m3500 because I've watched my buddy have cycling issues with an m3000 and now he is wanting to shoot 3 1/2" and can't. It's a couple hundred more but if you got it, do it. That is one of the best purchases I've ever made for hunting.
What’s your opinion on the sx4 bobby and the gas operation guns
I just bought a Remington V3 Waterfowl Pro... no 3.5 for me!
Matt I also just bought a Remington V3 Waterfowl Pro! I plan to shoot BBB if I ever go shoot honkers!
@@BeatRock253 nice! Of course I bought mine a few days after season ended. I've run a few 1-1/8oz birdshot shells through it to break it in and it's smoooooth. Can't wait for honker season this fall.
Matt I've heard the BBB shot is the best shot for Honkers on the 3"
@@BeatRock253 I use BB and even #2 sometimes. BBB shot is larger than BB and a lot of chokes (my Carlson for example) say no steel shot larger than BB, so be careful if you shoot BBB.
Thanks for the heads up brother.
U need to put a dog bed down next to your chair for fred he looked like he was going to fall asleep lol
Most 3" shells can only handle a 1-1/4 oz payload. So that would be 91 pellets of #BB... A 3.5" Black Cloud with a 1-1/2 oz payload of #BB has 110 pellets. Not a crazy amount of difference. Pellet count gets much higher to where you were saying around #1 and #2... #1 has 153 pellets and #2 186 pellets in a 3.5" 1-1/2 oz load.
Realistically, a 3" shell with 1-1/4 of #2 will do the job fantastically as it has 155 pellets in the pattern.
I think what it comes down to is velocity, which is why I hand load 3.5" shells. Bobby, if you want to see what a 3.5" shell can do, load it with the same payload as a 3" but with higher velocities... That's where ammo manufacturers get the 3.5" wrong IMO (I'm talking 1600-1700 FPS)
Federal blue box speed shok or black cloud.whats your go to shell. I love black cloud it's the only shell that I put in my sbe3
3.5” 12 gauge loads stuff 10 gauge loads through a 12 gauge bore, this increases recoil and the length of the shot string, nothing more.
I use fed blue-box. Have never missed a bird I could blame on the shells. I shoot an im choke and switched to 2 3/4 so they were lighter when I did walk in hunts. I don't get alot of geese but again have never missed a bird because of a shell.
Awesome video
Looks like the pigeon traps are not on the southern facing roof in winter probably needs to be for warmth.
your right
It would be awesome if you set up a couple target boards at 40 yards and displayed the difference between 3" and 3½" shells. Also I am curious your take on thre higher end loads like bismuth. Is there and added benefit?
My question is aside from a marketing standpoint why are there 3.5 inchers when the 3s still have space taken up by wads (wads, not cups)? I know the wads do important work but would they shoot worse if more cushion was gone? Am I mistaken about how much space there is? I guess premium shells have those extra thick shot cups so there's a lot of factors including chamber pressure, but still... are they better in proportion to the extra money? Maybe they are, I'm just curious. The guys I've talked to usually say they'd rather spend the money on standard length tungsten than longer steel.
Patter density. Extra bbs is good with me. Still gotta experienced shooter. Been on 3.5 since. It cost. But I like em door nail dead.
u should do a video for ur go to decoy spread in different situations like duck hunting on water fields and geese
I shoot 3” till about dec 1st then switch to 3.5 till the end. Basically earlier I shoot a lot of little ducks and such. Then dec on lots of mallards and specks and honkers. Just an idea. To try. It seems to work for me
Bobby, I keep a spare door key in my wallet so I can get back in my locked truck when I screw up. Saw your video from Pratt this morning. Love all your videos.
Me too
I subbed because of Fred
Love the vids bobby
Hey man I get I started to used Boss shotshells #2 and #4 they are way better then BB steel for sure. I get they are pricy but I know when I hit a bird it’s going down
You are the best!!
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I'm all about that tungsten now! Expensive but closest thing to lead I've shot !
I have a male lab he is 3 he looks just like Fred his name is Arch maybe will get to see you guys in a couple years on a hunt
Do you call paddle fish spoonbills? If that's what you are talking the first and only one I caught was 48 pounds and banded.
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Yeah 3 1/2 shell are the best for far shoots, but this past season the duck were at like 10 yards It was like pulverized meat 🤣. I had to go to 3 inch 👍
Anybody else notice the smiling dog at 8:10
Would a tungsten steel mix work better on the 40yd plus shots.
could!?
Yo I saw the spoonbill fishing from my buddy Bryan Baker looks like y’all had a blast
Can you talk about shot size selection for ducks in different situations. I’ve duck hunted a lot and all I use is 2 shot, but everyone tells me to use different shot or that it’s over kill. What are your thoughts?
Fred cracks me up !
They do make a 10 gauge have you ever considered one of those?
Why do I shoot 3.5? Because they don’t make 4 inch!!
Yessir
cody sikes Love that joke! 😂😂 My hunting partners are sick of hearing, but I still laugh every time!
My hunting buddy has one of only 50 eight gauge magnums in the US. It has 4 in Chambers, 40 in barrels. Too bad we can't hunt with it. It weighs about 16 lbs.
Yup I tell my buddies that all the time lol
Doug McCoy I wonder if the weight of it takes some of the kick out of it or if it makes it worse! Either way sounds like a haas!
just bought the retay masai mara about a week ago. not a 3 and a half but figured thats fine. Do you think they make a big enough deal to spend a couple extra hundred dollars on a gun?
Caleb Slaughter I ran a 3 inch Masai Mara this year and it was a fantastic gun, I’m probably going to buy a 3.5 inch next year just because I have the money but I had no problem with the 3, also my 3 inch is the nice wood one so I don’t want to put in duck blinds again next year
Woo number 500 in the like section great videos wish I could have a more normal schedule and plan a hunting trip but maybe in a couple seasons it will happen
Hey bobby have you ever used Bismuth ammo ? I want to try waterfowl hunting but I have an older shotgun not made to handle steel shot . Can you do a test video on bismuth shot.
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