Makes no sense keeping BFA for new players. They need to make current expansion 10-max for newcomers. Makes no sense confusing them with out of date storylines and systems for no reason and hurt their initial experience.
@@WestonTeli Making Dragonflight the 10+ content means they're playing all the new content with limited abilities. That sucks. Way more fun to warm up through old content and face the new content with a better idea of what the game is like.
@@Trazynn But that's the thing. The game isn't like BFA anymore. It doesn't matter how many abilities they have either since dungeon mechanics haven't changed since legion but they can still do them at level 10. What would you rather? Waste time on moot systems and level where players have already moved on from? Or be a brand new player and see everyone running around the zone and working towards current and relevant systems so they're ready when you reach max level and don't have to waste time learning catch up mechanics and be overwhelmed. Edit: forgot to mention the storyline they won't finish and raids and patch content they won't do
@@Fullsendfilosophy I disagree, I rather like my garrison, it's a free portal to my capital city, and also the only way to get one of the heirloom rings. It also makes it much easier to get to the WoD raids which have some of the best transmogs
I really wish there was a revamp of the old world zones too. They must seem unappealing to newer players, and some old ones probably. Having areas untouched since 2004 and then beautiful newer zones from more recent expansions. Feels like it makes Azeroth smaller..
@@nowak93 The point still stands, I do wish they'd do what the did to Darkshore and Arathi Highlands in BFA but make that permanent and for all older zones.
@@nowak93 Which means the entire world has been in a permanent fire and earthquake for 12 years now. That content was temporary fun, but it got old real fast.
One thing that always bothered me about the story & leveling is that all the major stories have their crescendo and "ending of chapters" so to speak inside raids. While leveling you might do the dungeons but they are only the precursor to the raids and that's where most of the major stories "stop" while leveling. Sucks. It's the only time I wish you could join an instant "bot raid team" and play it through.
yeah. we definitely need bots in this game for sure. i’m sick of people abusing bots when the technology exists where we could also use these types of resources. bots would not only expand the stuff you can accomplish alone, but it enhances the RPG aspect and also expands the RTS vibes. now, i’m talking all 24 other characters on our account can be used as bots. not something like the followers we’ve gotten recently. being able to micro / macro manage 25 toons is a fun time. they wouldn’t be mandatory except if you wanted to get a raid done without using a group of people. no game design would be changed, no philosophy shift. just making WoW a soloable game. i play with bots on private server, i’m going through vanilla -> wrath. it’s been very fun.
Respectfully, what's stopping you from doing the raid right now? If you physically can't queue up for LFR because your ilvl is too low, rpgs might not be the games for you. I agree that it's dumb that LFR is timegated for so long but they're never going to change that because it extends the amount of time you need to stay subbed.
at that point you want to play a single player rpg, and mostly the raid cinematics get spit out by an npc in the campaign now so you don't have to be there to see it, tho u still miss some dialogue
@@DarkScreamGames FF14 does it. Lost Ark does it. WoW can do it. Makes the story close without the need of LFR or looking for people to do an old raid with you.
I came back recently after not playing much of shadowlands started a new character and the progression from exiles to bfa zones was pretty solid and fun.
I kinda wish we have the option to choose how fast we want to level up through WoW's content. I always love the feeling of adventure and embracing the beauty of the world as I slowly get stronger like the experience in Classic. Imagine having that experience in places like Northrend, Pandaria, or Draenor.
@@Kylar_Godslayer - This is true! Only caveat to that is you’re no longer leveling. I think @OP means they’d want to continue their progression to max, but be able to scale the XP per kill down to prolong the experience. 😉
idk where else there'd be cinematics or cut scenes, but i remember one time in Ashenvale there was a new in-game cut scene when you rode on the kodo with the orc gal, and that was pretty cool :0
I'm a newish player. I tried retail and it bored me so much I couldn't take it after hitting level 52 (loving classic tho). I've leveled a few toons into the 40's and played all of the old expacs via chromie time. I've also read the whole story of shadowlands so I understand why they're letting new players just skip it in 10.0. My take: A new player should be given the option to either start in their race's starting zone or exile's reach and be given an explanation about which is which and their differences. Right now, a new players has no clue what the difference is between exile's reach and azuremyst isle, i certainly didn't. Whichever they pick, there should be a little 5 or so minute summary of the important events in Warcraft's history, when they happened, who was involved etc. The only reason I'm not completely lost is bc I got bored on my commute to work one day and found a Nobbel video to listen to. This is a massive problem for new players and nearly made me quit after finishing ER. I killed a few ogres and suddenly i'm this vaunted hero who's saved the world five times and knows all of these characters. Yet I, the player, have no clue what azerite is, why the alliance and the horde are fighting, why they hate each other in the first place, why Jaina has baggage with her mom, what significance Zandalar has other than a strong navy, I don't know who deathwing is, nor sargeras nor the old gods, nor the titans, nor anduin, nor thrall or anyone else. Nor do I have any understanding of anything's locations. On top of that, I think they need to go back to how leveling works in classic. In classic, you learn about the world bc you are forced to explore and interact. In retail, it throws you into a narrative heavy experience with zero exposition when, let's be real, the writing is downright atrocious at times. If I wanted a story heavy MMO, i'd play SWTOR or FFXIV. WoW sucks at telling a deep, affecting story and honestly I don't think they should even try. Having the story of WoW just be whatever the hell my character does as I level up is one of my favorite parts of classic.
So much this. And because Classic requires an active sub I can’t even convince my partner to try it out. She bounced off retail hard with how unfriendly it is to new players.
10-60 should be a scenario/custom quest chain for new players that progresses through all of the original wow expansions to give new players an idea of the history of wow. E.g. 10-15 is classic wow, with quests sending them through a few key azeroth zones and then solo scenarios for MC, BWL, etc. 15-20 would be tbc, again with a few quests in each zone and then more scenarios to experience the raids. Do this through the remaining expansions until at 60 they've just finished a summary of the (few) good bits of shadowlands and are ready to jump into DF.
this would be awesome, as a new player i have very jumbled knowledge of the lore because i just did random quests and whatnot. there is no clear pathing to learn the lore
@@tankeasy8180 trust me, as a wow player since TBC, the lore is an absolute clusterfuck jumbled mess no matter how it's exposed to you. I agree though, this would be a super cool idea
Oh man I’m so hyped last expansion was horrible, I’m waiting to see how this one turns out, this is making me want to come back. Says every single person that’s played this game over and over each expansion.
Surely Dragonflight will be good because there won't be major borrowed power systems. Surely they will make a better story than Shadowlands. Surely Dragonflight won't be the 3rd expansion flop in a row.
This is hopefully another WoD to Legion situation. SL was abandoned and they could pour all their efforts into 10.0. Hopefully they stick with their new design philosophies and we should be golden as a result.
@@matrixcom69 Seriously. I forgot that I bought legion to try out but I barely played it. I came back when BfA was active and I hadn't bought that expansion and was just leveling through legion. When i got close to 110, I asked in LFG if BfA was worth getting so I could get to 120. The responses were tepid at best and a resounding NO at worst. I ended up buying it so I could keep playing the game and found out very quickly why they said that. What a horrible story and gameplay. I was hotly anticipating shadowlands thinking that they'd do something with the story but I have not gone into a single raid because the story is just utter garbage. There's too many temporary currencies and borrowed powers and it's all going to be nullified by the next expansion, what's the point?
Very interesting changes we get to play till level 10 on a starting zone and then do Chromie or in the most cases dungeons till 60. This is groundbreaking news. Thank you.
I always thought they would keep doing the level squish each expac where old content gets rebalanced to fit into the 10-50 level range while the newest is the 51-60 range.
Thats kinda sad that so many locations from previous addons have been forgotten, it would be cool if blizzard updated them or something like that. And old dungeons are gathering dust too.
@@rudeintelligence9882 To be fair, there's some places I never want to go back, I'd rather go to new places and having the focus there, wethere it's good or not
No classic Azeroth for new players? Damn, that's sad, main leveling shouldn't be on BFA, it should be on original Azeroth so new players could experience the main story and learn about the game, same goes for the races and their original story with their starting zone.
new players are going to be so confused by these changes, they're not going to know where the actual starting zones are, or know the history of the game, they're going to be forced to just skip 7 expansions and forced to do current content
this already happens to new players, i started playing 2 months ago and i have no idea what happened before bfa, i just have bits and pieces of other stories that i started but didnt complete bc i cant tell what is actual story and whats a side quest, and im not really one to do random side quests
Honestly I wouldn't mind if they tone the down the rate of gaining xp or have the option bc Luling is meant to be a journey through the game not through one expansion and skipping a bunch of lore on your first character
Exiles Reach is fun, mop through bfa are fun for leveling. Maybe we need a new capital city, a possible revamp for storm wind and orgrimmar. Or new capital cities for both factions with a new 10-60 leveling zone.
As a guide in WoW biggest thing I see new players saying is how to level in different zones other than BFA I wish they would make chromie time available to new players so they don’t feel stuck
Yeah, I don't think I've met very many new (or old) players who enjoyed BfA leveling. In fact, I've met more than a few new players who quit specifically because of how much they disliked BfA's content that they were forced into.
also. id like to give my love and gratitude to all of you who have kept this game alive while it’s become more than what it started as. i know sometimes you get let down by this game, this game is a home for many of us, and when our home experiences changes we get all sorts of physiological responses. i hope that i continue to see great communities rise and fall and be reborn again. humanity is the only reason i’d even care to keep a project like this rolling. you probably don’t understand, because of culture. but even these days, humanity still can create sacred stuff. i think the whole player base has made this game into a sacred place. WoW is a Temple of the Modern Human. and i’m hopeful that soon we can get it into more hands/minds than those who’ve the resources to get into it. thank you again for helping this game grow into something beyond special. love you bye.
You could just have an opportunity to choose which zone u want to level anytime anywhere, just list of zones for your level to choose, if u got bored of one you can change to another
How to get players back: - Fix those ridiculously long rep grinds for past expansions - Raise the 1% drop rates for level 1-50 items and old rare mounts to at least 10% - Get rid of the cooldowns/locks for heroic+ dungeons for past expansions The game stops being fun when you try to monopolize your subscribers time playing by making stupid long grinds. WoW has become a daily task. I dont want another one of those. I have enough at work and around the house. I've been playing WoW since BC, and recently starting playing GW2 and ESO along side of it and the appeal of the other games is seriously drawing my attention away from WoW. Take some notes from them. I dont care if a new player can get a mount in 6 hours that I had to farm for 6 hours/day for a week over 10 years ago, just so long as the game is FUN again and not a daily task!
I agree with you Jack. Gamers today are not the same as gamers of yesterday. New players today will NOT play WoW exclusively, so when they see the kind of grinding they will be required to do, they run for the hills.
I didn't understand, did they think it was OK to have only one quest chain with no variations even for different factions? I ran through everything on the main, but it's not so interesting on other characters anymore, is it just me?
Forcing new players into BfA levelling seems like an absolutely terrible idea. Yes it’s new and pretty, but it is completely linear and far less interesting than the huge open world available right now. What if I am getting my buddy into the game. We’re just forced to do BfA?
imo bfa had some of the best leveling in wows history all the little quest hubs are short lived with fun stories and it’s all very fast paced but never confusing (i never leveled horde tho so i can’t speak for that leveling side) drustvar and stormsong valley stick out as some of the best paced zones i’ve played i personally prefer the feeling of vanilla zones but pacing wise they are a drag and a new player would be very confused to open their map and see multiple continents and i’m sure there will be a way to port your friend out of bfa if you desire this is all my opinion but bfa leveling was top tier
I do miss when Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms weren't empty. One big downside of the change is that 90% of the zones in the game are now abandoned in favour of Exile's Reach and BFA leveling zones. On top of that the leveling feels too fast. You get your riding skill within like two hours of gameplay. Doesn't feel as big of a world anymore. I prefer leveling through the expansions as you level up.
They should add an option to slow down leveling but in no way should they make it slower for everyone else. Right now, with the 50% boost feels SOOO clean and smooth. I feel like this should be the default speed. It's very alt friendly, it's very fun.
I think (hope) that it will be like BFA zones, like you have the campaign available but you can ignore it if you are leveled enough. Like you can only start Drustvar questline at 25 but you don't need to do the Tiragarde questline to go there
I am actually very exited about new talent trees. I hope you can do some very silly builds (probably not full plate rogue level of silliness) with it just for funsies, for surprising or just for leveling and end game.
Yeah, if these trees don't allow us a level of customization to create some silly builds (à la Rogue Evasion tanks from back in Wrath, etc.), then I feel like they'll be a step *backwards* instead of forwards.
I feel bad for new players, there's so much lore pre-bfa that it'll be super confusing jumping into a story that's already been unfolding for 10+ years. I wish blizz added in something similar to the main story questline like they did in Shadowlands.
I just recently leveled up in BFA mostly just following the story, ended up at level 43 before I had to start doing dungeons and sidequests. It got me thinking. With the cap up to 60 now, do you think they could just put the endgame content into the leveling? Once you do the main questline you can then go onto the next storyline in endgame and then into the patches?
everytime i try to do the bfa story i end up at lvl 43 or 44 then i cant figure out where the next part of the story is, like yes i just finished gaining rep in kul tiras now what do i do taelia???
Bring Back Class Trainers now that we are asking to get stuff back which made the game loose it adventure style, one of the greatest feelings fro me personally when I leveled was when I got to visit my Class Trainer.
I respect your opinion, but just to be clear I do not miss having to stop my quests every few levels to run halfway across the world back to a capital to not fall behind in the power-creep of leveling. But to each their own. Now, having a questline start from class trainers every 10 levels or so (similar to the legion order halls), would be a far better use in my eyes.
@@Neomagam I get that, though i personally finished my quests before I returned to town, to sell my spoils, get my rewards and to get a bit closer to my ascension to become a paladin. but I do think that there should be a more faster route for those who wants the quickest way, auto trading and training and so forth while the adventurers can enjoy the tedious journey 😘🤣
I wish they add areas like it used to be in vanilla where you could farm powerful flasks or buffs to save those items for competitive content or sell on AH, that was the best experience I had in years of wow when I tried vanilla, also old way of grinding reputation, like timber bears in winterspring, that was grindy and fun because you could do it daily 1h as a ritual and you would never miss PVP action or so while doing it, today it is just same grind but less interesting in my opinion. Oldschool is the way for mmorpgs!
I'ts much better now. 60-80 took forever in BC and WotLK, we spent no time in Cata and MoP, only WoD and Legion were kind of enjoyable (talking about time spent here, not content). I remember I didn't have money for Cata when it released, and when I came back it went so fast (80-85) I didn't get the lore, Chromie Time gave me the opportunity to have an actual leveling experience in Hyjal and Vashj'ir. The old zones were always really fun tho, Redridge Mountains is top leveling experience for me.
making new players forced to level in bfa is absolutely the worst thing that has ever happened to this game. i could write a book thicker than the bible listing reasons why this is a horrible thing to make new players go through, and i cannot think of a single redeeming quality. at all. there is 0 chance of wow growing in player base this way. every friend i have tried to get to start or return to this game has been completely put off, specifically because of bfa content and exiles reach. regardless of how much interest they had shown beforehand. the trade chats in all bfa zones are full of new players complaining and/or expressing their confusion. who the actual FUCK thought this was a good idea??
Being fair, what made BFA so bad were the endgame systems and the lackluster story development, so it's stuff people leveling will not deal with. Kul'Tiras and Zandalar are absolutely breathtaking, and their storylines are pretty good, so I don't think new players would have a bad experience leveling through those zones. Besides, leveling now takes very short, even if they don't put in a lot of time it would take them a few weeks tops, and if they get truly hooked it takes a few days, so they won't spend much time in BFA anyways
Not a fan of the talent tree. If you notice, they show the Druid. The druid has 4 specs. I play 3 of the specs, depending on the situation. How are 3 trees going to fly when I change specs on the fly?
Forced BFA is still imo one of the worst decisions they make BFA feels horrible for a new player i know bc i recruited a friend and my ex and helped them allong to re experience thr leveling on a new account and omg... like without me saying anythingBFA almost made them quit lol complaints of how boring it felt lack of story connection no real understanding of who any of the characters are etc... so i had to take them to orgrimar to the heros call board and assist them in lvling differently but cant do fucking ANY dungeons bc its forced BFA dungeons only... so like its literally the worst expereince for them and is gutting majority of game :(
@@xSaDii actually yes. cartoon style > cinematic looking style for this game. Unless you want to make your own , lol, the art style is great still. Blizz has updated it every expansion. it's called....Charm :)
@@stonecold5373 I mean charm be damned tbh it needs to update its engine because it’s literally holding itself back. If the game would just update its engine rather then grafting on to the current one it would not only run better and look better but it could even improve how the actual game feels to play such as introduction of more complex animations for actions
I have a question for people on what I should focus on in the next few months before DF. I recently returned to WoW after a 10 year break (yes that's right I said 10 year break). I had some old old characters but they never got past Cata content. I started a new mage character and have played through the BFA storyline as that's where it starts you and I just finish Shadowlands content up until you pick a covenant. I just hit level 60 and I'm item level 134. I've been trying to work out how to speed catch up to the latest item level grind but it sounds like I have to finish a convenant campaign (which i have just started and it seems extremely long winded and locked behind an anima grind which i really to cba), then another campaign (korithna or something from 9.1?) , then another campaign in Zerith Mortis before I'm finished with Shadowlands campaigns for good and can start grinding end end game. my question is if shadowlands is getting put into chromie time anyway, should I even bother trying to finish it on my new level 60 mage or should I just level as many alts as I can to 60 between now and DF so when it comes around I can just start as many characters in the new expansion as possible? It just feels like Shadowlands content is eventually getting left behind anyway and I really cba to grind through these campaigns and convenant things (when i left wow 10 years ago none this existed! so im a little overwhelmed). Thanks, good vid btw
I’d say don’t focus too much on the end game of shadowlands as there isn’t much to do right now (And we might not get more either). But you can do a mix of getting some characters to max while maining your mage to get keystone master or somethin’. If you’re on NA let me know, we can gear up some guys together if you want.
@@sharpices.5807 Hey man, thanks for reading my long para haha. Yeah I think I'm gonna try and push through all the Shadowlands campaigns as much as possible but also level maybe 1 or 2 alts to 60 as well. When DF comes round do you think it'll start us with new higher iLevel gear or would I still need to go through Shadowlands end end game to catch up? I just don't want to be in a perpetual state of gear catch up if that makes sense?
They should honestly just keep the max level at 60 and reduce everyone's level by 15%, the more levels there are the less meaningful they feel, which is why they squished it from 120 to 60 in the first place
Yeah, I feel they're kinda just setting themselves up to inevitably have to do another level-squish if they keep pushing each new expansion by 10 levels again...
That’s allot of new talent for your class and spec. Or do they just take away all the abilities you ALREADY got, and feed them back to you or if your 60 you just need to fill the class talent tree so you can play the game as you used to?
We’ll keep the rule of not hyping anything from Blizzard, but I gotta say, after the trash that is Shadowlands, Dragonflight is getting me optimistic of the game maybe being able to slowly recover from the cancer it got
I had a group of 8 friends quit after exiles reach to BFA. I tried doing chromie time with them so questing wasnt so linear, but it wouldn't let us. They got bored and never came back
threads of fate is not coming back - the statements i read in interview said that they just hope to have SO MANY quests and tie so little to the main campaign that you will be able to play out a different quest experience each time to level up
I want to know if they are reverting the only do pvp with perks change in orgrimmar and allow that change anywhere in the world instead (when rested of course)
Shame That old zones are left to die, such a waste of amazing zones. I always level my characters in classic content till 40 lvl then I choose some expansion.
I can understand why its Exile Reach and then Battle for Azeroth, those zones are gorgeous and has a very dynamic design. Shadowlands was ok but gray, dark and not very appealing to look at. Updated graphic doesnt hurt either. Wish they revamp old zones.
@@AETHL Very, but tbh maybe it's too thematic, if that makes any sense. Not that that's a bad thing, but places like Kul Tiras and Zandalar offer more landscape variety.
Mr GM could you please tell me how to be able to get the alpha for Dragonflight? I would love to be able to participate.. thank you. Loving your videos btw. You explain things so well, very clear and concise.. 👍🏼
Firstly, thank you! As for a chance at Alpha, there is no guaranteed way. Your best bet is to sign up on their website and check your launcher/emails once invites start getting sent out. dragonflight.blizzard.com/en-gb/#beta
Not sure I really understand the mindset behind requiring new players to go through BFA. Is it somehow more new player friendly than other expansions? I came back (mostly for classic) and messed around with leveling a few toons. Didn't find chromie time to be particularly difficult to grasp, although, in fairness, I wasn;t exactly new to WoW in general. Nothing really against BFA for leveling, just wondering why that decision was made.
I seem to remember an interviewer asking if The Forbidden Reach would only be a starter zone for the Evoker Dracthyr or if there'll be something more for others to do as well. And the guy from Blizz said that there would be some content for lvl 70, so we can guess it's probably world quests and such. Also why not use the zone as an extra endgame content zone, when you have phasing tech.
i havent leveled in the open world since..... hell, i cant even remember. when they made it so you could level through dungeons, that was so fast it made open world leveling obsolete since it took so much longer..
Still hurts to see "the new race with the single class that doesn't fulfil all party functions". Blizzard please delay this xpac for another year if needed, but give the new race at least more class options. I don't know what to do to give them this feedback, but they need to listen...
why does a single class has to fulfil all party functions ? sounds like a you problem you have a weird fantasy and think blizz should listen to you lol ?
Regarding the new Dragonflight zones, I saw (I think in the announcement trailer) that there was no order to them and players can choose which zones to level in!
It would be nice if you could just do chrome time to levelcap after you hit max level on one character. Threads of fate is super fast but I think it would be nice if we could chose to do either.
and were you have that information from? Blizzard really didn t give much information about next expansion and there is still no alpha. Would be great if they do it like that but i think we don t know yet.
I reaalllllly wish they'd stop putting new players through BFA like... You don't get the story, you don't get the lore of the game! What's the point of eradicating old content almost completely!??!
Nothing gonna change xD Go kill 8 murlocs, collect 10 murloc shit, kill 2 powerful murlocs -> repeat 15 times -> ride murloc Annihilator and purify murloc lake -> repeat I wish more MMO games had quests like in ESO
I really think they need to get rid of bonus objectives during leveling through out a new expansion. Make quest and dungeons a requirement to advance your story. Start your main story chapters right away at lvl 60. Plus add cinematic. One thing legion didn’t right was it kinda forced you and led you down to completing each zones story line quests organically. They also need to remove scaling at least in new expansion. It’s poor and unsatisfying gameplay. For mobs to always match you and be a bit over tuned for that average level. In legion this was was of the worst experience. But it’s probably because it was the first time and unexpected to me. But the zones should go in order 60-62 62-64 64-66 66-69 with required dungeon runs and quests complete dmg 70. So you can go back and farm in that first leveling zone. With all your blue and epic gear and feel pure one shot power. Bring back mobs that are green and grey leveled compared to you. This is how you should play an mmo RPG. This is what has felt so bad in the last 3 expansion. As you level and get new expansion gear. The leveling actually gets harder and mods just do more damage. Because you’re phasing out of last expack gear (around 7 lvl or so in). They could even add in level require 66-68 suggested I lvl 225. You didn’t complete a dungeon quest from the previous zone that has a juice piece of 230 blue gear like a fat weapon or nice shoulders. Now you have more of a reason to go get them. Now back to questing and you start meowing things down again. Question should be a fun experience not artificial inflated difficulty. Just to force you to die and waste time rezing and running back. The questing in the rpg part of this game and should play as such.
the system we had from classic - legion was proven to work. so i don't understand why they changed anything, but they have managed to make it progressively worse each expansion
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What do you think of the changes coming to leveling in Dragonflight? twitch.tv/MrGM
what changes?
Makes no sense keeping BFA for new players. They need to make current expansion 10-max for newcomers. Makes no sense confusing them with out of date storylines and systems for no reason and hurt their initial experience.
Can't wait to level with the new talents.
@@WestonTeli Making Dragonflight the 10+ content means they're playing all the new content with limited abilities. That sucks. Way more fun to warm up through old content and face the new content with a better idea of what the game is like.
@@Trazynn But that's the thing. The game isn't like BFA anymore. It doesn't matter how many abilities they have either since dungeon mechanics haven't changed since legion but they can still do them at level 10. What would you rather? Waste time on moot systems and level where players have already moved on from? Or be a brand new player and see everyone running around the zone and working towards current and relevant systems so they're ready when you reach max level and don't have to waste time learning catch up mechanics and be overwhelmed.
Edit: forgot to mention the storyline they won't finish and raids and patch content they won't do
Covenants: “but you’ll still visit, right?”
Class halls: “they’re never coming back.”
I still go to my class halls occasionally, just like I occasionally go to my garrison, but I'll never go back to covenant halls
@@Kylar_Godslayer garrisons shoukd be blown up that was such a desperate move by blizzard trying to keep wow relevant
class halls will be used for multi class progression on one character.
I play dk so i go to my class hall when i get a new weapon lol
@@Fullsendfilosophy I disagree, I rather like my garrison, it's a free portal to my capital city, and also the only way to get one of the heirloom rings. It also makes it much easier to get to the WoD raids which have some of the best transmogs
I really wish there was a revamp of the old world zones too. They must seem unappealing to newer players, and some old ones probably. Having areas untouched since 2004 and then beautiful newer zones from more recent expansions. Feels like it makes Azeroth smaller..
all old zones got revamped in cataclysm which came out December 2010
Yes imagine a redesign of Ungoro crater :o they could use some fantasy from their hearthstone expansion. This could easily become my favorite zone.
@@nowak93 you should put huge quotes around "all zones" and "redesigned" tho. I mean.. there are not alot of zones that even got beter...
@@nowak93 The point still stands, I do wish they'd do what the did to Darkshore and Arathi Highlands in BFA but make that permanent and for all older zones.
@@nowak93 Which means the entire world has been in a permanent fire and earthquake for 12 years now. That content was temporary fun, but it got old real fast.
One thing that always bothered me about the story & leveling is that all the major stories have their crescendo and "ending of chapters" so to speak inside raids. While leveling you might do the dungeons but they are only the precursor to the raids and that's where most of the major stories "stop" while leveling. Sucks. It's the only time I wish you could join an instant "bot raid team" and play it through.
yeah. we definitely need bots in this game for sure. i’m sick of people abusing bots when the technology exists where we could also use these types of resources. bots would not only expand the stuff you can accomplish alone, but it enhances the RPG aspect and also expands the RTS vibes. now, i’m talking all 24 other characters on our account can be used as bots. not something like the followers we’ve gotten recently. being able to micro / macro manage 25 toons is a fun time.
they wouldn’t be mandatory except if you wanted to get a raid done without using a group of people. no game design would be changed, no philosophy shift. just making WoW a soloable game.
i play with bots on private server, i’m going through vanilla -> wrath. it’s been very fun.
Respectfully, what's stopping you from doing the raid right now? If you physically can't queue up for LFR because your ilvl is too low, rpgs might not be the games for you. I agree that it's dumb that LFR is timegated for so long but they're never going to change that because it extends the amount of time you need to stay subbed.
@@slendeaway7730 nobody is playing older raids
at that point you want to play a single player rpg, and mostly the raid cinematics get spit out by an npc in the campaign now so you don't have to be there to see it, tho u still miss some dialogue
@@DarkScreamGames FF14 does it. Lost Ark does it.
WoW can do it. Makes the story close without the need of LFR or looking for people to do an old raid with you.
I came back recently after not playing much of shadowlands started a new character and the progression from exiles to bfa zones was pretty solid and fun.
And fast
Yeah I got to 51 from doing the whole BFA storyline
Yeah the best part of the game is before and after shadowlands. Playing shadowlands is dogshit.
The starting area is fun. Just a shame about the rest of the expansion. It feels nothing like a wow game
@Admirable Yeah and I can't unlock kultirans till max cause I can't do the dungeons now which is why I lvled through it in the first place ;-;
I kinda wish we have the option to choose how fast we want to level up through WoW's content. I always love the feeling of adventure and embracing the beauty of the world as I slowly get stronger like the experience in Classic. Imagine having that experience in places like Northrend, Pandaria, or Draenor.
As new player you getting this experience
You can always turn xp off if you feel like you're leveling too fast to enjoy the content
Honestly that'd be an interesting thing to have, a sort of leveling/questing handicap option for people that want to take it slower
@@Kylar_Godslayer - This is true! Only caveat to that is you’re no longer leveling. I think @OP means they’d want to continue their progression to max, but be able to scale the XP per kill down to prolong the experience. 😉
@@sisterspooky yeah I guess they could add more options to the xp stopper npc
I hope they make leveling interesting with cool cinematics like we had in legion
Imagine if they added a small cutscene for all zones in the entire game if you finish the zone. That would be really cool!
@Alexander Nikolov Yeah something like that, to sum up the zones lore
Or in draenor
idk where else there'd be cinematics or cut scenes, but i remember one time in Ashenvale there was a new in-game cut scene when you rode on the kodo with the orc gal, and that was pretty cool :0
@@NerdzTM I remember that it was a nice touch they need to do more of
I'm a newish player. I tried retail and it bored me so much I couldn't take it after hitting level 52 (loving classic tho). I've leveled a few toons into the 40's and played all of the old expacs via chromie time. I've also read the whole story of shadowlands so I understand why they're letting new players just skip it in 10.0.
My take: A new player should be given the option to either start in their race's starting zone or exile's reach and be given an explanation about which is which and their differences. Right now, a new players has no clue what the difference is between exile's reach and azuremyst isle, i certainly didn't. Whichever they pick, there should be a little 5 or so minute summary of the important events in Warcraft's history, when they happened, who was involved etc. The only reason I'm not completely lost is bc I got bored on my commute to work one day and found a Nobbel video to listen to. This is a massive problem for new players and nearly made me quit after finishing ER. I killed a few ogres and suddenly i'm this vaunted hero who's saved the world five times and knows all of these characters. Yet I, the player, have no clue what azerite is, why the alliance and the horde are fighting, why they hate each other in the first place, why Jaina has baggage with her mom, what significance Zandalar has other than a strong navy, I don't know who deathwing is, nor sargeras nor the old gods, nor the titans, nor anduin, nor thrall or anyone else. Nor do I have any understanding of anything's locations.
On top of that, I think they need to go back to how leveling works in classic. In classic, you learn about the world bc you are forced to explore and interact. In retail, it throws you into a narrative heavy experience with zero exposition when, let's be real, the writing is downright atrocious at times. If I wanted a story heavy MMO, i'd play SWTOR or FFXIV. WoW sucks at telling a deep, affecting story and honestly I don't think they should even try. Having the story of WoW just be whatever the hell my character does as I level up is one of my favorite parts of classic.
So much this. And because Classic requires an active sub I can’t even convince my partner to try it out. She bounced off retail hard with how unfriendly it is to new players.
I want to go back to being a guy not the guy
10-60 should be a scenario/custom quest chain for new players that progresses through all of the original wow expansions to give new players an idea of the history of wow. E.g. 10-15 is classic wow, with quests sending them through a few key azeroth zones and then solo scenarios for MC, BWL, etc. 15-20 would be tbc, again with a few quests in each zone and then more scenarios to experience the raids. Do this through the remaining expansions until at 60 they've just finished a summary of the (few) good bits of shadowlands and are ready to jump into DF.
this would be awesome, as a new player i have very jumbled knowledge of the lore because i just did random quests and whatnot. there is no clear pathing to learn the lore
@@tankeasy8180 trust me, as a wow player since TBC, the lore is an absolute clusterfuck jumbled mess no matter how it's exposed to you. I agree though, this would be a super cool idea
Oh man I’m so hyped last expansion was horrible, I’m waiting to see how this one turns out, this is making me want to come back.
Says every single person that’s played this game over and over each expansion.
Surely Dragonflight will be good because there won't be major borrowed power systems. Surely they will make a better story than Shadowlands. Surely Dragonflight won't be the 3rd expansion flop in a row.
This is hopefully another WoD to Legion situation.
SL was abandoned and they could pour all their efforts into 10.0. Hopefully they stick with their new design philosophies and we should be golden as a result.
@@SensationalBanana That was what people thought when going from BFA to Shadowlands, so don't get your hopes up way to much
@@matrixcom69 Seriously. I forgot that I bought legion to try out but I barely played it. I came back when BfA was active and I hadn't bought that expansion and was just leveling through legion. When i got close to 110, I asked in LFG if BfA was worth getting so I could get to 120. The responses were tepid at best and a resounding NO at worst.
I ended up buying it so I could keep playing the game and found out very quickly why they said that. What a horrible story and gameplay. I was hotly anticipating shadowlands thinking that they'd do something with the story but I have not gone into a single raid because the story is just utter garbage. There's too many temporary currencies and borrowed powers and it's all going to be nullified by the next expansion, what's the point?
It's like watching your junkie friend repeatedly try rehab and continuing to relapse every time you have hope that this time they'll stay clean
Very interesting changes we get to play till level 10 on a starting zone and then do Chromie or in the most cases dungeons till 60. This is groundbreaking news. Thank you.
Hahahahaha
I always thought they would keep doing the level squish each expac where old content gets rebalanced to fit into the 10-50 level range while the newest is the 51-60 range.
The best option is to always level through BFA so that you can unlock new races.
but lightforged draenai and void elves are from the legion questline i think?
Thats kinda sad that so many locations from previous addons have been forgotten, it would be cool if blizzard updated them or something like that. And old dungeons are gathering dust too.
Don't care tho, BFA content is shit.
@@rudeintelligence9882 To be fair, there's some places I never want to go back, I'd rather go to new places and having the focus there, wethere it's good or not
They should revamp the old world a few zones at a time, there’s tons of Hearthstone lore to use as a scaffolding to build storylines too
No classic Azeroth for new players? Damn, that's sad, main leveling shouldn't be on BFA, it should be on original Azeroth so new players could experience the main story and learn about the game, same goes for the races and their original story with their starting zone.
You think that but dont forget, a lot of original azeroth is stuck in Cataclysm time....over 11 years ago.
@@BasileRack That is why I only play classic.
new players are going to be so confused by these changes, they're not going to know where the actual starting zones are, or know the history of the game, they're going to be forced to just skip 7 expansions and forced to do current content
this already happens to new players, i started playing 2 months ago and i have no idea what happened before bfa, i just have bits and pieces of other stories that i started but didnt complete bc i cant tell what is actual story and whats a side quest, and im not really one to do random side quests
he was forced to play bfa at a young age 😔
Honestly I wouldn't mind if they tone the down the rate of gaining xp or have the option bc Luling is meant to be a journey through the game not through one expansion and skipping a bunch of lore on your first character
Exiles Reach is fun, mop through bfa are fun for leveling. Maybe we need a new capital city, a possible revamp for storm wind and orgrimmar. Or new capital cities for both factions with a new 10-60 leveling zone.
As a guide in WoW biggest thing I see new players saying is how to level in different zones other than BFA I wish they would make chromie time available to new players so they don’t feel stuck
Yeah, I don't think I've met very many new (or old) players who enjoyed BfA leveling. In fact, I've met more than a few new players who quit specifically because of how much they disliked BfA's content that they were forced into.
Bfa leveling is only time efficient if you can fly, which new players can't
No one likes having freedom of choice taken from them
@@Sanguivore are there really new players coming to WoW? Xd
@@kurrwa if you get the guide status you can see how many new players there actually are. They are quite common
also. id like to give my love and gratitude to all of you who have kept this game alive while it’s become more than what it started as. i know sometimes you get let down by this game, this game is a home for many of us, and when our home experiences changes we get all sorts of physiological responses.
i hope that i continue to see great communities rise and fall and be reborn again. humanity is the only reason i’d even care to keep a project like this rolling.
you probably don’t understand, because of culture. but even these days, humanity still can create sacred stuff. i think the whole player base has made this game into a sacred place.
WoW is a Temple of the Modern Human. and i’m hopeful that soon we can get it into more hands/minds than those who’ve the resources to get into it.
thank you again for helping this game grow into something beyond special. love you bye.
wtf u smoking my dude, i want some of that
I would also like some of that stuff you're smoking
I can wait till next year Q1 earliest for Dragonflight, I want them to make Azeroth great again.
We will build a wall and make the orca pay for it
The ONLY option for leveling 10-50 is classic zones. Fight me.
good luck with that then lol
Pass.
You could just have an opportunity to choose which zone u want to level anytime anywhere, just list of zones for your level to choose, if u got bored of one you can change to another
How to get players back:
- Fix those ridiculously long rep grinds for past expansions
- Raise the 1% drop rates for level 1-50 items and old rare mounts to at least 10%
- Get rid of the cooldowns/locks for heroic+ dungeons for past expansions
The game stops being fun when you try to monopolize your subscribers time playing by making stupid long grinds.
WoW has become a daily task. I dont want another one of those. I have enough at work and around the house.
I've been playing WoW since BC, and recently starting playing GW2 and ESO along side of it and the appeal of the other games is seriously drawing my attention away from WoW. Take some notes from them.
I dont care if a new player can get a mount in 6 hours that I had to farm for 6 hours/day for a week over 10 years ago, just so long as the game is FUN again and not a daily task!
But rare mounts wont have the appeal if they arent rare.
@@mikkelr1225 Ugly mount that takes 4 months to get or awesome mount that takes 3 days?
Which you going to stay and play the game for
I agree with you Jack. Gamers today are not the same as gamers of yesterday. New players today will NOT play WoW exclusively, so when they see the kind of grinding they will be required to do, they run for the hills.
Don't agree with mount drop rates. Keep them low. It's easy to grind out an old dungeon or raid. It's more fun to get the mount if it has a low drop.
A dev said that some levels you might get 2 class points for 2 levels and then 2 spec points for the next 2, it isn't always 1 than the other.
I didn't understand, did they think it was OK to have only one quest chain with no variations even for different factions? I ran through everything on the main, but it's not so interesting on other characters anymore, is it just me?
Forcing new players into BfA levelling seems like an absolutely terrible idea. Yes it’s new and pretty, but it is completely linear and far less interesting than the huge open world available right now. What if I am getting my buddy into the game. We’re just forced to do BfA?
imo bfa had some of the best leveling in wows history
all the little quest hubs are short lived with fun stories and it’s all very fast paced but never confusing (i never leveled horde tho so i can’t speak for that leveling side)
drustvar and stormsong valley stick out as some of the best paced zones i’ve played
i personally prefer the feeling of vanilla zones but pacing wise they are a drag and a new player would be very confused to open their map and see multiple continents
and i’m sure there will be a way to port your friend out of bfa if you desire
this is all my opinion but bfa leveling was top tier
The biggest question:
Do we get our frickin boots at the new starting set?
I do miss when Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms weren't empty. One big downside of the change is that 90% of the zones in the game are now abandoned in favour of Exile's Reach and BFA leveling zones. On top of that the leveling feels too fast. You get your riding skill within like two hours of gameplay. Doesn't feel as big of a world anymore. I prefer leveling through the expansions as you level up.
They should add an option to slow down leveling but in no way should they make it slower for everyone else. Right now, with the 50% boost feels SOOO clean and smooth. I feel like this should be the default speed. It's very alt friendly, it's very fun.
I wonder if you’ll be able to do Threads of Fate if you do the Shadowlands path in Chromie time or if the default is just going to be the campaign.
I think (hope) that it will be like BFA zones, like you have the campaign available but you can ignore it if you are leveled enough. Like you can only start Drustvar questline at 25 but you don't need to do the Tiragarde questline to go there
I just hope they'll give us covenant abilities for levelling up starting at lvl 10. The more op i can be in lvling the better.
I am actually very exited about new talent trees. I hope you can do some very silly builds (probably not full plate rogue level of silliness) with it just for funsies, for surprising or just for leveling and end game.
Yeah, if these trees don't allow us a level of customization to create some silly builds (à la Rogue Evasion tanks from back in Wrath, etc.), then I feel like they'll be a step *backwards* instead of forwards.
Wonky builds are the absolute best. Its great having some op ability, but something else basic is nerfed as a result. lol
This will most likely be the borrowed powers talents (covenant stuff etc.) but in skill tree form.
I feel bad for new players, there's so much lore pre-bfa that it'll be super confusing jumping into a story that's already been unfolding for 10+ years. I wish blizz added in something similar to the main story questline like they did in Shadowlands.
It's not even released yet, how do you make the conclusion they didnt add some catch-up mechanic????
I just recently leveled up in BFA mostly just following the story, ended up at level 43 before I had to start doing dungeons and sidequests. It got me thinking. With the cap up to 60 now, do you think they could just put the endgame content into the leveling? Once you do the main questline you can then go onto the next storyline in endgame and then into the patches?
Nah but you could level with other exp content except the last one I guess
everytime i try to do the bfa story i end up at lvl 43 or 44 then i cant figure out where the next part of the story is, like yes i just finished gaining rep in kul tiras now what do i do taelia???
Bring Back Class Trainers now that we are asking to get stuff back which made the game loose it adventure style, one of the greatest feelings fro me personally when I leveled was when I got to visit my Class Trainer.
I agree. I think we need more “tedious” tasks to give the game an actual adventure. Everything is so seamless and instant it kills the game for me.
I respect your opinion, but just to be clear I do not miss having to stop my quests every few levels to run halfway across the world back to a capital to not fall behind in the power-creep of leveling. But to each their own.
Now, having a questline start from class trainers every 10 levels or so (similar to the legion order halls), would be a far better use in my eyes.
@@Neomagam I get that, though i personally finished my quests before I returned to town, to sell my spoils, get my rewards and to get a bit closer to my ascension to become a paladin.
but I do think that there should be a more faster route for those who wants the quickest way, auto trading and training and so forth while the adventurers can enjoy the tedious journey 😘🤣
when showing the sample skill tree for balance and resto, wasnt that bottom middle ability the convoc of the spirits icon?
I wish they add areas like it used to be in vanilla where you could farm powerful flasks or buffs to save those items for competitive content or sell on AH, that was the best experience I had in years of wow when I tried vanilla, also old way of grinding reputation, like timber bears in winterspring, that was grindy and fun because you could do it daily 1h as a ritual and you would never miss PVP action or so while doing it, today it is just same grind but less interesting in my opinion. Oldschool is the way for mmorpgs!
Sad to see blizz trying to deviate new players from going down the OG azeroth leveling route, but hopefully this expansion is better than the last
It's because they prefer to use exp that have cinematics, is récent for the story and the zones are pretty decent
I'ts much better now. 60-80 took forever in BC and WotLK, we spent no time in Cata and MoP, only WoD and Legion were kind of enjoyable (talking about time spent here, not content). I remember I didn't have money for Cata when it released, and when I came back it went so fast (80-85) I didn't get the lore, Chromie Time gave me the opportunity to have an actual leveling experience in Hyjal and Vashj'ir.
The old zones were always really fun tho, Redridge Mountains is top leveling experience for me.
making new players forced to level in bfa is absolutely the worst thing that has ever happened to this game. i could write a book thicker than the bible listing reasons why this is a horrible thing to make new players go through, and i cannot think of a single redeeming quality. at all. there is 0 chance of wow growing in player base this way. every friend i have tried to get to start or return to this game has been completely put off, specifically because of bfa content and exiles reach. regardless of how much interest they had shown beforehand. the trade chats in all bfa zones are full of new players complaining and/or expressing their confusion. who the actual FUCK thought this was a good idea??
Ah yes, let’s force new players to level in our worst expansion.
I agree I fuckin hated BFA lmfao
I think the leveling is pretty good in BFA but that's mainly because I really like the aesthetics of the zones I guess.
BFA leveling isn't the worst and the zones look good. Max level content in BFA was dog crap but I enjoyed the 6 zones quite a bit.
Being fair, what made BFA so bad were the endgame systems and the lackluster story development, so it's stuff people leveling will not deal with.
Kul'Tiras and Zandalar are absolutely breathtaking, and their storylines are pretty good, so I don't think new players would have a bad experience leveling through those zones.
Besides, leveling now takes very short, even if they don't put in a lot of time it would take them a few weeks tops, and if they get truly hooked it takes a few days, so they won't spend much time in BFA anyways
I wonder if the existing Drake mounts will get a remodel, or if it'll be like the Horses and new HD ones come out.
Here's to hoping this expansion will be great like Wrath and Legion were. I get excited any time a new class is added, as it actually is NEW content.
Will it still be mandatory to do the covenant campaign in shadowlands? Or actually, will it still be mandatory to do do the campaign at all?
Pretty sure this has been addressed already but what happens “if” WoW comes to a point where the levels get too high again?
I guees they nerf it again than
Not a fan of the talent tree. If you notice, they show the Druid. The druid has 4 specs. I play 3 of the specs, depending on the situation. How are 3 trees going to fly when I change specs on the fly?
They straight up don't want new players to know shadowlands ever existed, and honestly I can't blame them. Hopefully dragonflight is decent
Forced BFA is still imo one of the worst decisions they make BFA feels horrible for a new player i know bc i recruited a friend and my ex and helped them allong to re experience thr leveling on a new account and omg... like without me saying anythingBFA almost made them quit lol complaints of how boring it felt lack of story connection no real understanding of who any of the characters are etc... so i had to take them to orgrimar to the heros call board and assist them in lvling differently but cant do fucking ANY dungeons bc its forced BFA dungeons only... so like its literally the worst expereince for them and is gutting majority of game :(
I agree with this 110% and have had a very similar experience myself with new players hating BfA.
@@Sanguivore Did you not agree 120% because it reminded you of BfA?
@@bubbykins4864 LOL, that's pretty good! xD
I love how you made a video of something thats not major and rather something that everyone knew it would happen.
Hello, good vid thanks for informations.
Is the leveling still going to be 1 day from lvl 1 to 70? Or are they going to slow it down?
Thanks for the breakdown 👍
it's amazing how this game's art style keeps working even after 17 years... it's beautiful. the unreal 5 engine would ruin it.
haha no
@@xSaDii actually yes. cartoon style > cinematic looking style for this game.
Unless you want to make your own , lol, the art style is great still. Blizz has updated it every expansion. it's called....Charm :)
@@stonecold5373 I mean charm be damned tbh it needs to update its engine because it’s literally holding itself back. If the game would just update its engine rather then grafting on to the current one it would not only run better and look better but it could even improve how the actual game feels to play such as introduction of more complex animations for actions
Yeah the art style just fits this game
looks more like some Disney game than World of Warcraft. I really do not like the cartoon zone look with the soft palette tones.
I have a question for people on what I should focus on in the next few months before DF. I recently returned to WoW after a 10 year break (yes that's right I said 10 year break). I had some old old characters but they never got past Cata content. I started a new mage character and have played through the BFA storyline as that's where it starts you and I just finish Shadowlands content up until you pick a covenant. I just hit level 60 and I'm item level 134. I've been trying to work out how to speed catch up to the latest item level grind but it sounds like I have to finish a convenant campaign (which i have just started and it seems extremely long winded and locked behind an anima grind which i really to cba), then another campaign (korithna or something from 9.1?) , then another campaign in Zerith Mortis before I'm finished with Shadowlands campaigns for good and can start grinding end end game.
my question is if shadowlands is getting put into chromie time anyway, should I even bother trying to finish it on my new level 60 mage or should I just level as many alts as I can to 60 between now and DF so when it comes around I can just start as many characters in the new expansion as possible? It just feels like Shadowlands content is eventually getting left behind anyway and I really cba to grind through these campaigns and convenant things (when i left wow 10 years ago none this existed! so im a little overwhelmed).
Thanks,
good vid btw
I’d say don’t focus too much on the end game of shadowlands as there isn’t much to do right now (And we might not get more either). But you can do a mix of getting some characters to max while maining your mage to get keystone master or somethin’. If you’re on NA let me know, we can gear up some guys together if you want.
@@sharpices.5807 Hey man, thanks for reading my long para haha. Yeah I think I'm gonna try and push through all the Shadowlands campaigns as much as possible but also level maybe 1 or 2 alts to 60 as well. When DF comes round do you think it'll start us with new higher iLevel gear or would I still need to go through Shadowlands end end game to catch up? I just don't want to be in a perpetual state of gear catch up if that makes sense?
ty bro always clear info !
Are you fucking kidding me?!!?! - New accounts cant pick starting zone? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! Well, thats that expansion for me...
Wait new players don't have Chromie time? That's so dumb
What if I have an existing character, but missed Shadowlands? Can I still have access to Shadowlands leveling zones?
Hi, I haven’t played wow for 9 years. I believe I stop at the end of warlords of dreanor. I have the itch getting back into wow, is it worth it?
They should honestly just keep the max level at 60 and reduce everyone's level by 15%, the more levels there are the less meaningful they feel, which is why they squished it from 120 to 60 in the first place
Yeah, I feel they're kinda just setting themselves up to inevitably have to do another level-squish if they keep pushing each new expansion by 10 levels again...
@@Sanguivore they might as well do multiple small squishes rather than one big squish that makes us feel like we are losing a lot of power
@@Kylar_Godslayer Yeah, I completely agree!
Nah I like to feel like I’m getting stronger and see big numbers… i5 would be dull staying 60 forever…
@@iris-xo but wouldn't you rather lose 10 levels every couple years than 60 levels all at once when the numbers get too big?
That’s allot of new talent for your class and spec. Or do they just take away all the abilities you ALREADY got, and feed them back to you or if your 60 you just need to fill the class talent tree so you can play the game as you used to?
We’ll keep the rule of not hyping anything from Blizzard, but I gotta say, after the trash that is Shadowlands, Dragonflight is getting me optimistic of the game maybe being able to slowly recover from the cancer it got
Talent trees coming back is huge to me. Maybe playing classes will finally be interesting again?
@@Wft-bu5zc I surely hope so
I still feel like doing burning crusade is the fastest way, easier content to clear and all the dungeons have 3 or more quest
When MrGM's outro music hit, I bop and my frown turns upside down.♥️
Not even Blizzard wants to acknowledge existence of Shadowlands 💀💀💀
I had a group of 8 friends quit after exiles reach to BFA. I tried doing chromie time with them so questing wasnt so linear, but it wouldn't let us. They got bored and never came back
Yeah there’s nothing to make you feel invested in your character with Exile’s Reach.
@@kael13 I think the 1 class quest they have Is kinda cool but it definitely is super linear.
Lol Exile's Reach takes like 2 hours. Or was it BFA they got bored of?
@@Wft-bu5zc bfa, exiles fine.
Finally a way to skip Shadowlands leveling
threads of fate is not coming back - the statements i read in interview said that they just hope to have SO MANY quests and tie so little to the main campaign that you will be able to play out a different quest experience each time to level up
I want to know if they are reverting the only do pvp with perks change in orgrimmar and allow that change anywhere in the world instead (when rested of course)
So do I get it right? Shadowlands does not exist, and they are hiding it from players? Seems deliberate
What level do evokers start at?
Shame That old zones are left to die, such a waste of amazing zones. I always level my characters in classic content till 40 lvl then I choose some expansion.
doesnt that take a long time tho? i just spam dungeons then head to the newest expac
@@tankeasy8180 Idk, I think im looking for a bit of chill while exping, music, nostalgia zones, I got sleepy after dungeon spam :P
Great coverage man, thanks for this!
I can understand why its Exile Reach and then Battle for Azeroth, those zones are gorgeous and has a very dynamic design. Shadowlands was ok but gray, dark and not very appealing to look at. Updated graphic doesnt hurt either. Wish they revamp old zones.
Ardenweald and Bastion are not appealing to look at?
@@AETHL Very, but tbh maybe it's too thematic, if that makes any sense. Not that that's a bad thing, but places like Kul Tiras and Zandalar offer more landscape variety.
BFA had some of the best looking zones. All of them are great (Nazmir probably being the worst).
Look how far you have come! I remember when you were just starting out! And still follow you!
Thank you so mutch! 🙏🏻❤️
They must make few zones that are like straight out of horror movies and have day and very dark night cycle
I always liked Alliance Dark Wood for that it felt more gritty and had a few darker quest lines.
Lmao, I love how they make you jump into BFA without learning SHIT ABOUT AZEROTH itself or previous expansions. Completely moronic
Mr GM could you please tell me how to be able to get the alpha for Dragonflight? I would love to be able to participate.. thank you. Loving your videos btw. You explain things so well, very clear and concise.. 👍🏼
Firstly, thank you!
As for a chance at Alpha, there is no guaranteed way. Your best bet is to sign up on their website and check your launcher/emails once invites start getting sent out. dragonflight.blizzard.com/en-gb/#beta
Ty so much x
Revamp the old zones like some dragons flying from time to time, chekin' on you ;D
Not sure I really understand the mindset behind requiring new players to go through BFA. Is it somehow more new player friendly than other expansions?
I came back (mostly for classic) and messed around with leveling a few toons. Didn't find chromie time to be particularly difficult to grasp, although, in fairness, I wasn;t exactly new to WoW in general. Nothing really against BFA for leveling, just wondering why that decision was made.
How are these 'MAJOR changes to Leveling Coming in Dragonflight'? We already have this stuff minus the talent tree. Very clickbaity
I seem to remember an interviewer asking if The Forbidden Reach would only be a starter zone for the Evoker Dracthyr or if there'll be something more for others to do as well. And the guy from Blizz said that there would be some content for lvl 70, so we can guess it's probably world quests and such. Also why not use the zone as an extra endgame content zone, when you have phasing tech.
It is going to be used
I don't understand why a new player would skip Vanilla through Legion. Isn't the beginning of BFA predicated on the fact we're heroes?
i havent leveled in the open world since..... hell, i cant even remember. when they made it so you could level through dungeons, that was so fast it made open world leveling obsolete since it took so much longer..
Just give my alts an xp boost to catch up with my main, it shouldn't take the same amount of time to level every time
Mists of Pandaria will always be the best choice for Chromie Time
Still hurts to see "the new race with the single class that doesn't fulfil all party functions". Blizzard please delay this xpac for another year if needed, but give the new race at least more class options. I don't know what to do to give them this feedback, but they need to listen...
They already stated they likely will when it makes narrative sense for them to learn other classes.
why does a single class has to fulfil all party functions ? sounds like a you problem
you have a weird fantasy and think blizz should listen to you lol ?
Regarding the new Dragonflight zones, I saw (I think in the announcement trailer) that there was no order to them and players can choose which zones to level in!
So, no coherent story between zones, awesome.
Talent trees should have never left. Good to see them coming back
I wonder if we still need to unlock flying in BOA
It would be nice if you could just do chrome time to levelcap after you hit max level on one character. Threads of fate is super fast but I think it would be nice if we could chose to do either.
How the hell is this major? Wake me up when they actually make a decent change that doesnt make almost twenty years of content irrelevant.
and were you have that information from? Blizzard really didn t give much information about next expansion and there is still no alpha. Would be great if they do it like that but i think we don t know yet.
Chromie time gives me anxiety. So much content over the years that gets skipped. Wish these zones were incorporated for a larger end game
I reaalllllly wish they'd stop putting new players through BFA like... You don't get the story, you don't get the lore of the game! What's the point of eradicating old content almost completely!??!
Praying that interrupts will still be baseline
Think it’s so funny that shadowlands was so shit that blizzard is straight up avoiding it for new players making them do BFA to 60
Nothing gonna change xD Go kill 8 murlocs, collect 10 murloc shit, kill 2 powerful murlocs -> repeat 15 times -> ride murloc Annihilator and purify murloc lake -> repeat
I wish more MMO games had quests like in ESO
I really think they need to get rid of bonus objectives during leveling through out a new expansion. Make quest and dungeons a requirement to advance your story. Start your main story chapters right away at lvl 60. Plus add cinematic. One thing legion didn’t right was it kinda forced you and led you down to completing each zones story line quests organically. They also need to remove scaling at least in new expansion. It’s poor and unsatisfying gameplay. For mobs to always match you and be a bit over tuned for that average level. In legion this was was of the worst experience. But it’s probably because it was the first time and unexpected to me. But the zones should go in order 60-62 62-64 64-66 66-69 with required dungeon runs and quests complete dmg 70. So you can go back and farm in that first leveling zone. With all your blue and epic gear and feel pure one shot power. Bring back mobs that are green and grey leveled compared to you. This is how you should play an mmo RPG. This is what has felt so bad in the last 3 expansion. As you level and get new expansion gear. The leveling actually gets harder and mods just do more damage. Because you’re phasing out of last expack gear (around 7 lvl or so in). They could even add in level require 66-68 suggested I lvl 225. You didn’t complete a dungeon quest from the previous zone that has a juice piece of 230 blue gear like a fat weapon or nice shoulders. Now you have more of a reason to go get them. Now back to questing and you start meowing things down again.
Question should be a fun experience not artificial inflated difficulty. Just to force you to die and waste time rezing and running back. The questing in the rpg part of this game and should play as such.
Your videos have been on fire lately
1:52 - I don't know why the Vanilla logo is present on this diagram. I *wish*.
I really want them to stop overhauling leveling every expansion
the system we had from classic - legion was proven to work. so i don't understand why they changed anything, but they have managed to make it progressively worse each expansion