This and “Bayonutters” are going into the part of my brain where I keep “The Wooliehole” and “NEXT BIT” that I’ll periodically remember and chuckle to myself.
Suzi was so great on this week's show. If she's up for more (and no pressure to her if she isn't, we know she keeps busy), it would be great to have her on again.
Woolie is SCARED of the Resident Evilcast she and Pat would end up doing for 9 hours. That or he's scared of her telling him Dead Rising 1 is better than Case Zero
@@kapkant6197 yeah it’s the former. If someone else got bored of him making an hour long portion of the podcast just for fighting game stuff, he might have to cut back on it
@@johnthomason9980 It's not supposed to be a joke. You know those moments where you feel really powerful by being an absolute dick to someone? If no, you've live a blessed life. That's what this dude is doing. It's only funny to him.
"Can you imagine if Nemesis became like the mascot and started showing up everywhere?" This is essentially what happened to the Terminator franchise if you really think about it.
Suzi was such a great guest. I had to come here to watch Woolie cracking up at "Are you Town". Getting in a podcast title has got to be a dream. Would love to see her on again in the future.
Not to nitpick Pat's nitpicking, but I went back and looked at the upside down Maria scene used in the presentation frame-by-frame, and while something weird is going on with the texture on her eye, it's not the teeth issue from the HD collection. Which is making me wonder where they got that clip from if not the HD collection...
The "Remake being based off the movie, not the OG game" concept Pat is reffering to with SH2 has happened before with Ratchet and Clank PS4. The Remake was made to coincide with the release of the film and was never meant to replace the Original game according to reports from employees. The Movie was terrible and while the Remake was mostly ok, The Original was superior in executing most aspects that both games shared when you started comparing. The Remake also cut many of the planets you visited in the PS2 version. I remember the fanbase being worried about the state of the series during the aftermath, then Rift Apart released which ended up being many fans' favorite in the series. It's also one of my favorites.
THis is all true, of course the biggest difference being that Ratchet & Clank has always been in a better place than Silent Hill. The Ratchet remake and movie being not great was really the only time the series made a big misstep, whereas Silent Hill has constantly had recent bad games and bad remakes. So saldy this turn is just another is huge missteps for the series.
Rift Apart is probably my favorite too, but I do miss the griminess of Deadlocked (my personal favorite of the series), and the bite the series used to have with the PS2 era. However, I don't mind the sincerity and heart of Rift Apart, and it was nice to be back.
After seeing so many people being so blindly optimistic about the new SH announcements it was pretty refreshing to see even Suzie show some skepticism towards the new projects, especially SH2R. It is pretty cool to see that the general consensus seems to be people are pretty excited about SH:f and that it was easily the most interesting announcement/trailer, definitely seems to be pretty creatively rich and at least pushes the franchise forward, very excited to see what it's gonna be. Silent Hill Ascension though... the ''game'' nobody needed or asked for
The silent hill subreddit was such a fanwank, like so many people just simping for konami after hating them for years I Legitimately felt like the only Normal person until seeing some other sceptics like pat
Silent Hill Townfall and F are both really promising projects, awful names aside. People are excited because even though it might turn out bad, everyone on the projects seem to have a lot of love and respect for the property. Pat and Suzy would rather just be excited for a remake that appears to be doing something only slightly more than the bare minimum for a remake. And even if the SH2 remake isn’t good (which I actually have high hopes for), I’m glad more people can be exposed to the original game.
God I would love to see Suzi on again. It was such a good and fun episode. and the fact she played into the jokes but like stayed the FUCK out when Pat goes on his crazy talk rant about covers needing to not exist unless its better and the original goes away and woolie arguing his argument about nah. Then they ask Suzi and she is like ...."I never thought of this ever but no"
@Toilets in Japan So I’m assuming you meant to say Pyramid Head and got auto-corrected but Period Head also sounds like something that’d be in Silent Hill.
33:05 I mean to be fair, capcom did implement 1 thing from the movies into RE4, the laser room QTE cutscene. But that's the Only thing I can think of, and it's fun and fitting for the tone of that game.
I will say there are two shots I REALLY like from that new SH2 trailer, 1.James in the closet and you see the gleam from the barrel of the gun in his hands looked good. 2.When the camera is following the nurses and James rushes into the hallway like a freight train
My only silver lining of all the stuff named to come out is Silent Hill F is being written by the GOAT of internal character trauma and subtle horror. Maybe the Stories Untold peeps will have an interesting shot too, but boy is the rest all bleak. (Also Suzi for third perma host)
So baby don't worry, you are my only You won't be lonely, even if the sky is falling down You'll be my only, no need to worry Baby are you town, town, town, town, town?
Does anyone remember that picture of Obama uprezzed by AI, that looks nothing like Obama? Just mindlessly sticking to the original and not changing anything, even if attempted, is not possible. You're aware that game and its atmospehe is a sum of every small part - every mesh, every texture, every animation, every camera placement and movement, every sound and every lack of sound has an intention behind it, and if a re-maker lacks the same intention, their sum may end up completely different, even if they actively try to do what they percieve is the same. One of the goals of a remake is always to make the product look better. So imagine them taking a muddy PS2 texture, concidering what to do with it, and making it look sharper and prettier - but the original muddy texture was a small piece of a purpose to confuse player, and the new one doesn't work for this purpose, so this piece is lost now. Imagine them re-doing a stiff animation into something more natural, where "stiff" was the point. Imagine them re-recording voice lines, so the characters could sound more like cool beatiful LA actors, and not confused ordinary people - with the same text, so it's "sticking to the original", but "uprezzed" with better quality audio and "better quality" voice actors... Even with a full intention to do the same but better (AI uprezzing Obama) you can end up with something completely different (not Obama at all)
God you guys should just have Suzi join in semi-regularity, as befits her schedule. She's super on point and a blast to listen to, and has great chemistry with both of you.
My HUGE fear is that Silent Hill 2Make will bomb (which no duh) and then Konami will pull the plug again on the actually interesting looking projects like Townfall and F which just feels super on brand for them to do.
So instead of letting other games flourish, just axe ALL projects to save 💰. Probably a bit of greed and pride and envy involved when the game AND its movie bombs. Konami just can't let games be their bread and butter anymore. Probably would've okayed Uwe Boll's Metal Gear Solid movie in today's climate.
My copium bottle says "silent hill 2 remake will be good" on it. I genuinely hope its good, but after looking closer at Konami's presentation I have my doubts.
The whole audience participation Netflix event thing makes me think so as well. That’s more like something you’d see from the Saw franchise, not Silent Hill. It’s super funny that Konami is going in this direction of “wow big horror” when the people handling Resident Evil are doing shit like Resident Evil Village Puppet Show.
@@battlion507 No, he left in Summer 2020, and it's believed that that's one reason why SFV got a 5th season of DLC, because they had to scrap a lot of SF6 work when Ono left
Part of me is excited, like "Yes! They're taking Silent Hill seriously again!" And part of me is like "ohhhhh noooo…!" It might look okay if they fuzzed up the details and obscured the specifics, especially in darker scenes.
35:00 Also like, Capcom did have it's years of putting out uninspired basically shovelware trash as well, but shortly after the MVCI bomb they figured out "hey if we actually care and put in effort money appears" where as Konami is literally making the exact same mistakes it's been making for 20 years (ie the MGS master collection fails for most of the same reasons that silent hill HD was bad)
i don't remember anything about SH4 except the "DAAAD, WHERE ARE YOU DAD, I CAN'T SEE YOUR FACE" part because the streamer i watched wouldn't stop harping on it for the rest of the game even though that bit lasted all of 30 seconds. i will admit perhaps that's for the best, but still.
9:45 - I just realized, after listening to this again, what susie said and had a thought... if Downpour and the HD Collection were released 'because' of the Revelations 3D movie, like what is happening now with the SH2 movie... is the reason why Downpour has so many shitty clown enemies, is because Revelations 3D had shitty clown monsters?
41:47 not blood curse they made ALL of the siren games, and blood curse is literally just a shitty remake of the first one. God, Pat is so wrong about the siren series, specially claiming 2 sucks when I guarantee he never even played it. I understand disliking 1 because its experimental as fuck, but 2 literally fixes all of 1's issues and is genuinely an amazing game.
@@JillLulamoon yeah, I think I have the first one on psn? Like yeah, I can play THAT one (and Blood Curse, but the consensus seems to be it is bad), but the second one I assume you would need a ps3 and disc to play
The anti vaxx thing is not great but the interview with Guy Cihi didn't really come across all that strange in the old podcast. You guys asked if he had any upcoming roles so he talked about it. That made sense to me, at least.
@@chillhour6155 Considering Vaccines are literally altered viruses that are designed to help the immune system against the OG Virus that can potentially cause more damage, yeah it seems reasonable for someone to be cautious about a new Vaccine that pops out without enough tests to showcase that it's fine.
Ah, yes. Can’t wait for the eventual Silent Hill F-A-T collection with all 3 side games. Fr tho F looks sick. I’m actually super curious about that one.
I mean, Silent Hill happens because of some ancient gods being tied to the location and the Order fucking around with things they don't understand. And Japan is a country with 8 million gods, some fuckery is expected to happen
If Pat is legit saying that Blood Curse is better than Siren 1 and 2 I am going to explode I can understand 1 since it had a bunch of problems but 2 fixed literally everything and made it perfect, unhinged take
Pat has a lot of takes that are generally 'extreme'. Some of them are right, others are wrong. And Pat may often double down or find ways to prove that his opinion is correct when he feels challenged about it.
Generally Pat's takes are a lot more nuanced when it's something he's actually recently played or seen or whatever. Usually the longer he is from having played something the more freakish and strange his opinions are.
I played SH2 so many times that I’m kinda excited to see SH2R. It would be a discussion about whether or not all games need a remake or not, to stay faithful or to make your own twist (not just the change in VA) , and all that goodies.
I’m excited too. I know a lot of people are really skeptical of whatever new voice acting is going to happen, but besides James and Mary, I could take or leave the rest of the cast. Plus everyone seems to forget about Eddie and his scenes when they remember 2’s voice acting.
Imo after seeing things like bad ports, companies sitting on IPs because they don’t want to pay royalties, and old games that are impractical to play without piracy, I just wish there was an officially recognized video game archival organization or movement. After a certain amount of time, games should just slip into public domain and we should just leave it to an army of archivists to recreate the original gameplay experience and make the game available for all platforms. As it is, the only people who are maintaining old games so that people can play them today (emulator and rom creators) are in the same boat as game pirates.
My biggest concern is the usage of UE5 with Silent Hill 2 Remake, I know Bloober team has proper training with UE5, however, *Why didn't Konami give them access to the FOX engine?* The FOX engine has been picking up dust after MG: Survive, they could outsource it to Bloober and make a unique looking game. UE5 games has started to blend in with each other. (from my perspective) Still, I'm intrigued by the other projects that got in the mix, hopefully this'll set Konami right. _Hopefully..._
The reason why it isn't using the FOX engine is that there isn't anyone at Konami that could even teach them to use it any more. The engineers that made it left when KOJI PRO was dissolved, and god only knows if they properly archived documentation of it outside of its use for what, soccer games?
Additionally, the FOX engine is a BIG reason why things went down the way they did. MGSV's development was almost all about the development of the FOX engine and it burned a LOT of money. I'd imagine they wanted to recoup as much cost as they could from it and forget it ever existed
@@Dasaltwarrior That's a bummer. I understand building engines from scratch are a pain in the ass, but leaving to pick up dust and not storing the information about it? That's a buzzkill. Still, at least I see why now, so kudos to ya.
@@Dasaltwarrior the worst bad timing in history. Back in 2013 FoxEngine was one of the most good looking engines there was. Seing the intro of Ground Zeroes left me stunned.
I guess this is something I won't be able to notice as someone's who's not big into horrror, but the footage I saw looked pretty impressive to me. The sound stuff could be true as I didnt pay attention to the SFX.
Man how is Pat so consistently wrong? I checked pyramid heads head shape in the remake and it's not the movie version, it has the flat front like the original game.
@@TAMAMO-VIRUS he's saying it's like the movie where the edge is at the front but it's not, the front side of it is flat and there are two edges on the side
for people who don't get the context of why Ryukishi07 writing Silent Hill F made so many people pop off, this is the writing equivalent of saying your game's soundtrack was composed by Toby Fox
@@justinl8791 Not quite. The important part about the comparison is that they're both indie game dev people who through reputation have gone to become internationally famous
@@scrapkingkeita3825 OK, ALMOST the equivalent of that. Regardless, having some actual supernatural + psychological horror writing chops go a LONG WAY in telling a good story in this universe. Also, something that Bloober Team has nearly ZERO talent in. They were good at making Dumbass Ghost Baby SImulator 2016 tho.
@@ledzeppelinfan1001 explain how. he's only called Red Pyramid Thing twice, in the scene where Eddie vomits. If you investigate the great knife, James says "This is the knife pyramidhead uses" then after the boss fight with two of them, if you investigate them, BOTH of their investigation texts say "looks like Pyramidhead won't be giving me any more trouble" and if you investigate the eggs they give you, they BOTH say "this is an egg Pyramidhead gave me." 1+2+2=5 now tell me how many times they call him Red Pyramid Thing.
Yeah, Guy Cihi is nuts. Talented but nuts. So is Reuben Langdon. Awesome stunt & voice actor but also completely weird human being. Also, that Gillette meme of the "new" version of James Sunderland represents what most of us think of Bloober Team's rendition of SH2: a completely memeable joke.
@@damonsghost9235 You're also meant to imagine the ad with some stock in-your-face spooky image as background. Tagline should also be bleeding profusely or be scratched beyond being legible.
The spear to knife change in the diorama bothers the crap out of me because the spear is supposed to be a phallic metaphor. It unironically represents James' penis, but more likely is a representation for his aggressive sexual desires. its one of those layers of metaphor i love about the game. Like you have this woman who looks exactly like james' wife, being killed by a manifestatin of james' guilt and desire for punishment for his sins and that manifestation is using a phallic object to kill her. Like, its all right there, but its just painfully obvious that nobody at konami understands silent hill anymore.
I know a lot of people might not care, but for me it was enough seeing the intro cutscene and James' hands shaking, him looking miserable and distressed in the mirror's reflection. Already completely, utterly missed the tone and the whole point of the game.
I totally understand the skepticism regarding the remake, but they're a bit off in regards to Pyramid Head's design. Look at the remake shot of it and an image from the og game side by side. It's the same design. No movie design there.
Still the fact the Remake is literally meant to promote the movie made by person who ruined the Pyramid Head instantly sours the new design imo. The Dead by Daylight design looks way more on point.
Woolie’s hyena laugh from Suzi saying “are you town?” Was incredible
You know it's a good bit when Woolz laughs so hard he starts coughing
I'll never not love Woolie getting guard broken. LMAO
She killed him
Woolie took damage.
And Thus Suzi become a new member of the Zaibatsu 🤣
There's something great about watching Pat's cam and seeing him JUMPING out of his skin waiting to talk about his nitpicks. Never change Pat
This and “Bayonutters” are going into the part of my brain where I keep “The Wooliehole” and “NEXT BIT” that I’ll periodically remember and chuckle to myself.
Woolie's laugh fills my dark soul with light.
ok shut up and take my like.
Liiiiight
"Are you TOWN?!" is Woolie's CHOESE
“R U TOWN?” has to be one of the best podcast moments.
6:50
Pat and Suzy tag team to deliver mental damage to Woolie, perfection!
Yes
No, no, Pat. The devs go to Konami and say "We'll make Silent Hill for twenty dollars" and then Konami goes "10."
And then the DEVS say "sure".
Konami *Looking up from their slot machines* we’ll you give 9 and call it even
Honestly Suzi fit so well into the dynamic they should just make her a permanent 3rd host.
Simp moment
I'd honestly love that. Suzi is cool.
She's probably super busy hunting spheres
or catching std
I can visualize the magazine ad in Game Informer *SO EASILY.*
Punisher Sunderland
I wish I could
Suzi going into a adorable 2-sec long mini-rage when Pat talks shit about Siren 1-2
Suzi was so great on this week's show. If she's up for more (and no pressure to her if she isn't, we know she keeps busy), it would be great to have her on again.
I would have also accepted, “Town to Clown.”
Would that replace the Big Bad with Ass Dan?
I would've gone with Get Town with the Sickness
Town To Clown Synchronization.
Town To Clown Communication.
@@ShyRanger we got Korn to do the downpour theme, we need disturbed to do the new theme
@@user-ue8il6jx3b wait really? That was Korn?
Suzi is absolutely charming. Why did it take so long to get her on the pod?
Woolie is SCARED of the Resident Evilcast she and Pat would end up doing for 9 hours. That or he's scared of her telling him Dead Rising 1 is better than Case Zero
@@kapkant6197 yeah it’s the former. If someone else got bored of him making an hour long portion of the podcast just for fighting game stuff, he might have to cut back on it
@@IdeaOfEvil 🤡
@@IdeaOfEvil Omegalul? I don't get the joke
@@johnthomason9980 It's not supposed to be a joke. You know those moments where you feel really powerful by being an absolute dick to someone? If no, you've live a blessed life.
That's what this dude is doing. It's only funny to him.
The biggest mistake you could ever make was to follow any voice actor you enjoy on social media.
Unless you're a D&D nerd I guess. Those guys are lucky.
@@conspiracypanda1200 except for Orion acaba
@@Feasco You actually made me look up something about Critical Roll. How dare you. We are enemies now.
Only if you're a coward.
What about Gianni
"Can you imagine if Nemesis became like the mascot and started showing up everywhere?"
This is essentially what happened to the Terminator franchise if you really think about it.
42:40-43:06 “While you were trying to find your wife, James, I was STUDYING THE BLADE!” *stabs Maria*
Suzi was such a great guest. I had to come here to watch Woolie cracking up at "Are you Town". Getting in a podcast title has got to be a dream. Would love to see her on again in the future.
Holy shit, Suzie and Pat almost killed Woolie with laughter
Not to nitpick Pat's nitpicking, but I went back and looked at the upside down Maria scene used in the presentation frame-by-frame, and while something weird is going on with the texture on her eye, it's not the teeth issue from the HD collection. Which is making me wonder where they got that clip from if not the HD collection...
I also rewatched the trailer and pyramid head's head isn't a point
@@DaRealJGRIF I think he mean the "face" of the helmet, not the ends of the helmet
@@TAMAMO-VIRUS yep which is flat like SH2 not a point like the movie
Yeah I was confused by the pyramid head helmet too. It looked like the OG SH2 design to me, not the movie.
About the only way that JJ Abrams quote could show more flat disinterest is if it went "I spent hours of my life shooting... pyramids".
The "Remake being based off the movie, not the OG game" concept Pat is reffering to with SH2 has happened before with Ratchet and Clank PS4. The Remake was made to coincide with the release of the film and was never meant to replace the Original game according to reports from employees.
The Movie was terrible and while the Remake was mostly ok, The Original was superior in executing most aspects that both games shared when you started comparing. The Remake also cut many of the planets you visited in the PS2 version. I remember the fanbase being worried about the state of the series during the aftermath, then Rift Apart released which ended up being many fans' favorite in the series. It's also one of my favorites.
THis is all true, of course the biggest difference being that Ratchet & Clank has always been in a better place than Silent Hill. The Ratchet remake and movie being not great was really the only time the series made a big misstep, whereas Silent Hill has constantly had recent bad games and bad remakes. So saldy this turn is just another is huge missteps for the series.
I'll say just wait before the game comes before we cast any judgement
Rift Apart is probably my favorite too, but I do miss the griminess of Deadlocked (my personal favorite of the series), and the bite the series used to have with the PS2 era.
However, I don't mind the sincerity and heart of Rift Apart, and it was nice to be back.
@@iHeartPixell NO! we judge now! with no information!
@Sonic Boom is a inverted case where the show is far better than the game.
Stand by for Town Fall.
After seeing so many people being so blindly optimistic about the new SH announcements it was pretty refreshing to see even Suzie show some skepticism towards the new projects, especially SH2R. It is pretty cool to see that the general consensus seems to be people are pretty excited about SH:f and that it was easily the most interesting announcement/trailer, definitely seems to be pretty creatively rich and at least pushes the franchise forward, very excited to see what it's gonna be. Silent Hill Ascension though... the ''game'' nobody needed or asked for
The silent hill subreddit was such a fanwank, like so many people just simping for konami after hating them for years
I Legitimately felt like the only Normal person until seeing some other sceptics like pat
@@ichimaru96 Eh, there’s plenty of extremist detractors there too.
Interesting to hear that since everywhere I’ve seen it sounds like everyone’s super not on board with the remake.
I'd be more excited for SH2R if it wasnt Bloober Team. All they've made is mediocre crap. Except for maybe Observer.
Silent Hill Townfall and F are both really promising projects, awful names aside.
People are excited because even though it might turn out bad, everyone on the projects seem to have a lot of love and respect for the property.
Pat and Suzy would rather just be excited for a remake that appears to be doing something only slightly more than the bare minimum for a remake.
And even if the SH2 remake isn’t good (which I actually have high hopes for), I’m glad more people can be exposed to the original game.
God I would love to see Suzi on again. It was such a good and fun episode. and the fact she played into the jokes but like stayed the FUCK out when Pat goes on his crazy talk rant about covers needing to not exist unless its better and the original goes away and woolie arguing his argument about nah. Then they ask Suzi and she is like ...."I never thought of this ever but no"
Aw man, if "Silent Hill F" fails, that title is going to be the best inverse publicity.
Silent Hill L
@@StygianZinogrex F is better.
Silent Hill Fs In The Chat
Resurrection Silent Hill F.
These are good Woolie laughs but the hyena laugh will forever be the yelps from him seeing Pat's download of Arcana Heart 3 Love MAX!!!
Suzi is such a great guest I hope she comes back to the pod sometime
I think of the announcements, the best ones for me were townfall and Silent Hill f. Those, plus the Shiba Inu coin bank.
Silent Hill Alter-code F + alpha. Gotta rebalance those Period Head infinites
@Toilets in Japan
So I’m assuming you meant to say Pyramid Head and got auto-corrected but Period Head also sounds like something that’d be in Silent Hill.
@@miscmer8030 Period Head's gotta wear his special hat for shark week.
Oh, so you are town then.
33:05 I mean to be fair, capcom did implement 1 thing from the movies into RE4, the laser room QTE cutscene. But that's the Only thing I can think of, and it's fun and fitting for the tone of that game.
I love that not even for a moment, anyone entertained the idea the remake could be good.
Pyramid Head: "Now I'm motivated."
I will say there are two shots I REALLY like from that new SH2 trailer,
1.James in the closet and you see the gleam from the barrel of the gun in his hands looked good.
2.When the camera is following the nurses and James rushes into the hallway like a freight train
It’s a shame when a guy you really like turns out to be crazy.
* looks at Pat *
I feel woolies pain shared in my soul at the new movie announcement. IT BROKE NEW GROUND
It’s more unforgivable now that we have good adaptations like Arcane, Detective Pikachu, Sonic and Castlevania.
Pyramid head's knife clashes against traffic cone samurai's katana on the shores of Japan
When Townfall was announced, I seriously thought it said, "Silent Hill: Downfall".
22:00
Here you go.
My trypophobia was at 1000% during the Silent Hill f trailer, it was so beautifully disgusting
22:19 BEST PART
Now I want to see Pat suffer through Siren 1 after hearing him say it sucks.
"Ugh, I told you guyssss!"
Ahahaha this is freakin great.
22:09 lol
My only silver lining of all the stuff named to come out is Silent Hill F is being written by the GOAT of internal character trauma and subtle horror. Maybe the Stories Untold peeps will have an interesting shot too, but boy is the rest all bleak. (Also Suzi for third perma host)
So baby don't worry, you are my only
You won't be lonely, even if the sky is falling down
You'll be my only, no need to worry
Baby are you town, town, town, town, town?
Silent Hill F will simply take place in a place with a name that translates to Silent Hill.
Sirento Hiru
I just watched the teaser and it does end with a fart sound right before the pyramid head reveal
Does anyone remember that picture of Obama uprezzed by AI, that looks nothing like Obama?
Just mindlessly sticking to the original and not changing anything, even if attempted, is not possible. You're aware that game and its atmospehe is a sum of every small part - every mesh, every texture, every animation, every camera placement and movement, every sound and every lack of sound has an intention behind it, and if a re-maker lacks the same intention, their sum may end up completely different, even if they actively try to do what they percieve is the same.
One of the goals of a remake is always to make the product look better. So imagine them taking a muddy PS2 texture, concidering what to do with it, and making it look sharper and prettier - but the original muddy texture was a small piece of a purpose to confuse player, and the new one doesn't work for this purpose, so this piece is lost now. Imagine them re-doing a stiff animation into something more natural, where "stiff" was the point. Imagine them re-recording voice lines, so the characters could sound more like cool beatiful LA actors, and not confused ordinary people - with the same text, so it's "sticking to the original", but "uprezzed" with better quality audio and "better quality" voice actors...
Even with a full intention to do the same but better (AI uprezzing Obama) you can end up with something completely different (not Obama at all)
22:04
are u town
God you guys should just have Suzi join in semi-regularity, as befits her schedule. She's super on point and a blast to listen to, and has great chemistry with both of you.
My HUGE fear is that Silent Hill 2Make will bomb (which no duh) and then Konami will pull the plug again on the actually interesting looking projects like Townfall and F which just feels super on brand for them to do.
So instead of letting other games flourish, just axe ALL projects to save 💰.
Probably a bit of greed and pride and envy involved when the game AND its movie bombs.
Konami just can't let games be their bread and butter anymore.
Probably would've okayed Uwe Boll's Metal Gear Solid movie in today's climate.
There should be a part in the SH2 Remake where James gets stabbed by Sephiroth and then a ghost comes down and revives him
we're 3 for 3 on woolie pronouncing it "uminayko", looking forward for more in the future
A-kat-suki comes to mind from the Naruto videos lol
do you actually care that much or are you just joshing?
I mean, that is pretty close to the actual pronunciation. He just needs less emphasis on the 'ne' part
@@TAMAMO-VIRUSit really isn't
Mair-ree-yo
My copium bottle says "silent hill 2 remake will be good" on it.
I genuinely hope its good, but after looking closer at Konami's presentation I have my doubts.
it's easy to find were the big joke in the clip is cause you just need to hover the progress bar until you see that Wooile isn't/falling on camera
I just want to say, curse woolie for the cool yet horrible image of pyramid head with Virgils moveset
I'm ready for Pyramid Head to do some Judgement Cuts, to pass judgement on the new female character for not studying the blade
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR PAT'S REACTION SINCE I HEARD IT WASN'T GOING TO BE ANOTHER PACHINKO!
I like the idea if they'd have done this whole podcast expecting it to be another pachinko game.
@@danielmaster8776 cause it'll usually be a pachinko X
@@AndrewTraver XD
@@danielmaster8776 atleast that used to be the case, but now there's a new rendition (that looks a little promising) XD
I feel like Konami thinks Silent Hill is Resident Evil. Like a big extreme monster killing spookfest with tie in skateboards.
The whole audience participation Netflix event thing makes me think so as well. That’s more like something you’d see from the Saw franchise, not Silent Hill.
It’s super funny that Konami is going in this direction of “wow big horror” when the people handling Resident Evil are doing shit like Resident Evil Village Puppet Show.
@@jjj7790 RE and Silent Hill have swapped subtly and nuance.
37:04
I wondering what they're referring to?
Is one of them Keiji Inafune (megaman)?
I do not know the other?
Yoshinori Ono, who brought back Street Fighter
@@SonicKurosaki And is Ono still with Street Fighter 6?
@@battlion507 No, he left in Summer 2020, and it's believed that that's one reason why SFV got a 5th season of DLC, because they had to scrap a lot of SF6 work when Ono left
@@SonicKurosaki
So he brought back Street Fighter with 4 and then things went downhill when V / 5 released?
I could be wrong.
Part of me is excited, like "Yes! They're taking Silent Hill seriously again!" And part of me is like "ohhhhh noooo…!"
It might look okay if they fuzzed up the details and obscured the specifics, especially in darker scenes.
Maybe when RE4 drops a week after Suzie can come back and this can happen again.
I cant stop calling Townfall Towncoming
Townpour
22:09 R U TOWN!?
35:00 Also like, Capcom did have it's years of putting out uninspired basically shovelware trash as well, but shortly after the MVCI bomb they figured out "hey if we actually care and put in effort money appears" where as Konami is literally making the exact same mistakes it's been making for 20 years (ie the MGS master collection fails for most of the same reasons that silent hill HD was bad)
This is a dedicated comment thread for people who want Woolie to suffer through Silent Hill 4: The Room. Enjoy the ball-pit.
SH4 might be tedious in a lot of parts, but at least it's not boring.
Would enjoy Silent Hill 4. I love playing it from time to time, the most played SH game I have (have all 4 OGs).
i don't remember anything about SH4 except the "DAAAD, WHERE ARE YOU DAD, I CAN'T SEE YOUR FACE" part because the streamer i watched wouldn't stop harping on it for the rest of the game even though that bit lasted all of 30 seconds. i will admit perhaps that's for the best, but still.
I fuckin love Silent Hill 4. I’d never play it again though.
@@spase667 Love watching the cutscenes, Walter is the best.
TOWN IS WIN TOWN IS ALSO YOU
IF TOWN NOT ME, TOWN CEASES TO BE
It doesn't seem like Pyramid Head's design is like the movie, he doesn't have that triangular point in the store screenshots.
9:45 - I just realized, after listening to this again, what susie said and had a thought... if Downpour and the HD Collection were released 'because' of the Revelations 3D movie, like what is happening now with the SH2 movie... is the reason why Downpour has so many shitty clown enemies, is because Revelations 3D had shitty clown monsters?
41:47 not blood curse
they made ALL of the siren games, and blood curse is literally just a shitty remake of the first one.
God, Pat is so wrong about the siren series, specially claiming 2 sucks when I guarantee he never even played it.
I understand disliking 1 because its experimental as fuck, but 2 literally fixes all of 1's issues and is genuinely an amazing game.
Agreed, 2 is by far the best. Its way less obtuse, and much more interesting monster design.
To be fair to Pat, 2 isn't really easily accessible.
@@JillLulamoon yeah, I think I have the first one on psn? Like yeah, I can play THAT one (and Blood Curse, but the consensus seems to be it is bad), but the second one I assume you would need a ps3 and disc to play
Was 21:30 muted? Just me?
No, Woolie typed a question in Discord for them.
The anti vaxx thing is not great but the interview with Guy Cihi didn't really come across all that strange in the old podcast. You guys asked if he had any upcoming roles so he talked about it. That made sense to me, at least.
Who is against all Vaccines??
@@iller3 not all, just those that have been rushed out before proper testing
@@chillhour6155 Considering Vaccines are literally altered viruses that are designed to help the immune system against the OG Virus that can potentially cause more damage, yeah it seems reasonable for someone to be cautious about a new Vaccine that pops out without enough tests to showcase that it's fine.
@@Khotgor that's not how the COVID vaccine works at all, there's nothing in them that would cause symptoms of the actual virus
@@iller3 guy is a 5g COVID truther
Ah, yes. Can’t wait for the eventual Silent Hill F-A-T collection with all 3 side games.
Fr tho F looks sick. I’m actually super curious about that one.
I do like the idea that whateverthefuck happened to Silent Hill (the town, not the franchise) can absolutely fucking happen in other places.
I mean, Silent Hill happens because of some ancient gods being tied to the location and the Order fucking around with things they don't understand. And Japan is a country with 8 million gods, some fuckery is expected to happen
If Pat is legit saying that Blood Curse is better than Siren 1 and 2 I am going to explode
I can understand 1 since it had a bunch of problems but 2 fixed literally everything and made it perfect, unhinged take
do you honestly think Pat finished either of those games watching the Super Great Friend lp of Siren 1, i doubt it
Pat has a lot of takes that are generally 'extreme'. Some of them are right, others are wrong. And Pat may often double down or find ways to prove that his opinion is correct when he feels challenged about it.
Generally Pat's takes are a lot more nuanced when it's something he's actually recently played or seen or whatever.
Usually the longer he is from having played something the more freakish and strange his opinions are.
I played SH2 so many times that I’m kinda excited to see SH2R.
It would be a discussion about whether or not all games need a remake or not, to stay faithful or to make your own twist (not just the change in VA) , and all that goodies.
I’m excited too. I know a lot of people are really skeptical of whatever new voice acting is going to happen, but besides James and Mary, I could take or leave the rest of the cast.
Plus everyone seems to forget about Eddie and his scenes when they remember 2’s voice acting.
Imo after seeing things like bad ports, companies sitting on IPs because they don’t want to pay royalties, and old games that are impractical to play without piracy, I just wish there was an officially recognized video game archival organization or movement.
After a certain amount of time, games should just slip into public domain and we should just leave it to an army of archivists to recreate the original gameplay experience and make the game available for all platforms. As it is, the only people who are maintaining old games so that people can play them today (emulator and rom creators) are in the same boat as game pirates.
@@MrMetalforever5 people.forgove Eddie cause then you hear the HD remaster voice acting of characters and feel the souls leave your body
My biggest concern is the usage of UE5 with Silent Hill 2 Remake, I know Bloober team has proper training with UE5, however, *Why didn't Konami give them access to the FOX engine?*
The FOX engine has been picking up dust after MG: Survive, they could outsource it to Bloober and make a unique looking game. UE5 games has started to blend in with each other. (from my perspective)
Still, I'm intrigued by the other projects that got in the mix, hopefully this'll set Konami right. _Hopefully..._
The reason why it isn't using the FOX engine is that there isn't anyone at Konami that could even teach them to use it any more. The engineers that made it left when KOJI PRO was dissolved, and god only knows if they properly archived documentation of it outside of its use for what, soccer games?
Additionally, the FOX engine is a BIG reason why things went down the way they did. MGSV's development was almost all about the development of the FOX engine and it burned a LOT of money. I'd imagine they wanted to recoup as much cost as they could from it and forget it ever existed
@@Dasaltwarrior That's a bummer. I understand building engines from scratch are a pain in the ass, but leaving to pick up dust and not storing the information about it? That's a buzzkill. Still, at least I see why now, so kudos to ya.
@@Dasaltwarrior the worst bad timing in history. Back in 2013 FoxEngine was one of the most good looking engines there was. Seing the intro of Ground Zeroes left me stunned.
FOX Engine is outdated. Unreal Engine 5 is much more advanced plus it actually supports the newer consoles.
22:09 for "Are You Town"
Silent Hill 2 Remake is a movie tie-in game for a movie that is based on a video game.
It is Street Fighter: The Movie: The Game.
ive been trying to stay in the dark on the Dead Space remake but what does Woolie mean by it doesnt look like its going well?
Lighting looks really bad, doesn’t even look like a horror game anymore. Sounds are also really off
@@grilin18. like not dark enough? From screen shots it looks in line with the OG.
I guess this is something I won't be able to notice as someone's who's not big into horrror, but the footage I saw looked pretty impressive to me. The sound stuff could be true as I didnt pay attention to the SFX.
No idea. Looks fine to me. I'd chalk it up to Woolie being wrong about stuff.
@@grilin18. Ive looked through some comment sections and the only complaints i saw were with some animations
I love her. Also, agree with Pat, f was the most interesting thing they announced. Can't believe that presentation.
We need suzi on all the podcasts now.
She shouold become the 3rd guest!
It was a mistake to watch this having just started the original Silent Hill 2. Oh well.
Man how is Pat so consistently wrong? I checked pyramid heads head shape in the remake and it's not the movie version, it has the flat front like the original game.
He's talking about the "face" of the helmet, not that the helmet ends in a point
@@TAMAMO-VIRUS he's saying it's like the movie where the edge is at the front but it's not, the front side of it is flat and there are two edges on the side
I assume the dog ending will be DLC this time around? oh boy....
Are you down to Town?
I'm honestly looking more forward to the Alone in the dark reboot then the silent hill stuff my self.
Konami stopped being a games company a while ago
This really was one of the best episodes in a while
for people who don't get the context of why Ryukishi07 writing Silent Hill F made so many people pop off, this is the writing equivalent of saying your game's soundtrack was composed by Toby Fox
Yep. The equivalent of saying your next horror game is written by Stephen King.
for real. both psychological and supernatural horror are ryukishi's bread and butter
@@justinl8791 Not quite. The important part about the comparison is that they're both indie game dev people who through reputation have gone to become internationally famous
Ohhhh that makes sense now
@@scrapkingkeita3825 OK, ALMOST the equivalent of that. Regardless, having some actual supernatural + psychological horror writing chops go a LONG WAY in telling a good story in this universe.
Also, something that Bloober Team has nearly ZERO talent in. They were good at making Dumbass Ghost Baby SImulator 2016 tho.
If that guy cihi clip exists can someone share it? I can’t find it anywhere and really need to see that interview 😂
18:11 no. He's called Red Pyramid Thing twice in the whole game. Hes called Pyramidhead five times. His name is Pyramidhead
Nope.
@@ledzeppelinfan1001 everything I said was objectively correct. you would know this if you've played the game.
@@clanofclams2720 everything you said its wrong though???
@@ledzeppelinfan1001 explain how. he's only called Red Pyramid Thing twice, in the scene where Eddie vomits. If you investigate the great knife, James says "This is the knife pyramidhead uses" then after the boss fight with two of them, if you investigate them, BOTH of their investigation texts say "looks like Pyramidhead won't be giving me any more trouble" and if you investigate the eggs they give you, they BOTH say "this is an egg Pyramidhead gave me."
1+2+2=5
now tell me how many times they call him Red Pyramid Thing.
Who were the 2 capcom people they were talking about
Yeah, Guy Cihi is nuts. Talented but nuts. So is Reuben Langdon. Awesome stunt & voice actor but also completely weird human being.
Also, that Gillette meme of the "new" version of James Sunderland represents what most of us think of Bloober Team's rendition of SH2: a completely memeable joke.
to elaborate: Guy's a 5G COVID conspiracy theorist
@@Feasco Yeah. Nuts.
Suzi: Are you town?
Pat: Oh God
Woolie: Hyena mode engaged.
Remake turned out to be actually pretty damn good imo, but I still say "are you town" like twice a week
I’m sorry but can someone explain if I’m missing something with the “are you town” bit? is that referencing an old ad?
Old gaming magazines had adds with corny tag lines and catch phrases like that.
@@damonsghost9235 You're also meant to imagine the ad with some stock in-your-face spooky image as background. Tagline should also be bleeding profusely or be scratched beyond being legible.
@@damonsghost9235 i hate when my magazines had addition.
it's like the phrase "Are you down for this?" but instead it's "are you town"
The spear to knife change in the diorama bothers the crap out of me because the spear is supposed to be a phallic metaphor. It unironically represents James' penis, but more likely is a representation for his aggressive sexual desires. its one of those layers of metaphor i love about the game. Like you have this woman who looks exactly like james' wife, being killed by a manifestatin of james' guilt and desire for punishment for his sins and that manifestation is using a phallic object to kill her. Like, its all right there, but its just painfully obvious that nobody at konami understands silent hill anymore.
Bruh Twin-Perfect, that's a name I haven't heard in a long time.
and may we never hear from them again
@@Feasco
Agreed. Can’t stand those smug fucks.
I know a lot of people might not care, but for me it was enough seeing the intro cutscene and James' hands shaking, him looking miserable and distressed in the mirror's reflection.
Already completely, utterly missed the tone and the whole point of the game.
I totally understand the skepticism regarding the remake, but they're a bit off in regards to Pyramid Head's design. Look at the remake shot of it and an image from the og game side by side. It's the same design. No movie design there.
Still the fact the Remake is literally meant to promote the movie made by person who ruined the Pyramid Head instantly sours the new design imo. The Dead by Daylight design looks way more on point.
1 on 1 duel with pyramid samurai katana battle.