The Filipino SF follow the famous Recondo School type of training, dating back to the Vietnam War. Back then, the graduation consisted in a week-long Recon Patrol behind Enemy Lines. You survive, you graduate. Crazy shit.
Didn’t the Philippine government recently offer the Moro to have a say in governance and they accept? So the live action recon wouldn’t happen now or is it still on like kong?
@@radaraacf It still happens. There are still belligerents like Abu Sayaf and Commie rebels. There are still Moro rebels who are not taking part of the peace deal
Never was special anything just a navy mechanic. Singapore was probably the worst group we ever had to work with . The French navy was always a pleasure to work with and they had beer on their boat. Only 1 a day but it was nice .
ROK Marine here. Spot on about the ROK side. We hate it too, it's so suffocating LOL. Just the entire culture in general is like that. The strict East Asian culture where discipline and power hierarchies are on steroids. It's a big reason why our SOF community and the military retention rate as a whole are dying. (I have heard about how the ROKA SWC is a bit over the top with appealing to their COC, compared to ROK NSW/ROKMC Force Recon and etc. It's even a known thing among the ROKs.) Yup, combat experience is rare. Most combat experience our guys have are border skirmishes, anti-piracy OPs, artillery exchanges,/IDF, and mine incidents that happen occasionally. (We get shit on by the ROK 'Nam/DMZ[when the DMZ was actually fucking active and crazy] vets all the time for it 😂) But hey, thankfully it's been getting better nowadays. LMFAO. Been enjoying your videos, keep up the good shit man.
I was US Army at the JSA on camp Bonifas in 2015. While I wasn't SF or working with SF, the JSA ROK infantry guys are supposed to be at least a little bit better than the rest, and I can say for them, they were pretty bad in terms of just complaining, tired, unmotivated... You nailed it with the hiarcy thing and I can attest to that as I've been back and forth to Korea for the last 8 years, because I have a Korean wife and three half Korean kids who go to Korean school. Military hiarcy mixed with Korean culture is a toxic combo for sure.. I don't even want my son's to go to the Korean army to maintain citizenship anymore, it's disgusting.
@@AlwaysFknSalty Makes sense. They were forced into it. That's a big reason why the people who do join the ROKMC do so. It's the only volunteer branch. Everyone's here because they want to be.
Hey man, this was awesome. Thank you for sharing your experiences. I know it's a long shot due to the controversial aspect, but you should do one where you share your opinion on all of the American SOF units you worked with.
As a Korean, very embarrassed that the Korean special forces were in a low rank, than completely convinced when I heard that the training was all a play lol I only served for a short period of time as a conscript, but the vertical culture of the Korean military, closed communication, training that had nothing to do with actual combat, inefficient customs, etc. were really annoying things during my service. I think the Korean military is particularly severe, although it may be a thing of every military. Many young officers try to solve this, but most of them leave the army before long. As the population decreases, the number of conscripts is also decreasing, and the application rate for officers and NCO is gradually decreasing, and the rate of early discharge is increasing. I'm really worried! Thanks for your video. Well observed.
Happy to hear CSOR and CANSOF got ranked so high As pissed as I am about how the CAF is being manhandled, I hope that CANSOF will find ways to keep quality persons despite the cuts
Thank you for sharing your thought. For Canadian 🇨🇦 SF, I am assuming you mean CSOR (Tier 2) and not JTF2 (Tier 1)? Because your list had a mixture of the two tiers.
Im a follower of your channel, and that was a great video. Question for you, if you can reply: -If one has passed SFAS and getting ready for SFQC, what manuals do you recommend studying for tactics? -Ranger Handbook -Inf Squad/Platoon ATP 3-21.8 -Small Unit Tactics Handbook by Paul LeFavor
Ranger handbook is a standard, it will help you immensely in SUT. Small unit tactics handbook is also very good. Those two is probably All you need to be honest.
Great to hear you have the Aussies up the top! I must also mention that our brother across the ditch, the New Zealand SAS are also up there with the best..
@LongShadong Haha when it comes to sports yeah we like to bash each other and talk shit but when it comes to war we will always have each others backs ANZAC
I've seen a few clips of joint exercises between green berets and indian para sf. Whats your opinion on them or know any colleagues who have worked with them?
Former British soldier here. I was watching the video, obviously hoping that our SF would be at the top but I definitely cant argue about the skill and likeability of the ‘strailians. My best mate was an Aussie commando and that man can brighten up the most dismal f*cking nasty, rainy cold shit day and turn it into a laugh. 🍻 Great vid. 🙂
Cheers, did you manage to work with the romanian SOF? I heard they operated with the american SOF community but i have never heard any feedback besides the diplomatic stuff .. Thank you!
I think you got on correct point. Real combat experience and Culture things. KR have typical vertical culture even in SF. Our last combat experience was Vietnam war. It was long time ago and after we got nothing on combat experience.
Also how well equipped were the Mongolians? Were they just really good from a mountaineering/ physical standpoint but underfunded? Were they better than you guys at Mountain ops? I imagine they had horses ha
They were definitely better than us at rock climbing, not necessarily operations. And they had actually just stood the unit up recently so not that high level of equipment at that time.
Was solidly hoping to see if you trained with the Indian Para SF, not many stories about Indo-US sf training out there. Would love to hear an outside perspective
A large part of that reason is that India does tend to hang out under the Moscow umbrella of influence, more than most. India is actually in multiple joint research projects with Russia. Also have some mutual defense agreements. So of course the U.S. will not be interacting militarily with Indian military all that often. But hey, you get Russian military tech on the cheap. LOL
If you have the time and willingness, I would like to suggest a future video. In which you discuss more in depth about the issues you had with some units. For example, Japan, Korea or any others. I understand you mentioned "optics". Meaning, of course, the "theatrics" regarding how a said unit performs in front of the chain of command. Again, "the culture" being a significant reason behind such mentalities. Naturally, a unit doesn't improve when they don't learn to adapt in such a potentially high-risk situation. From what you mentioned, it seems like they wanted to practice a specific situation in a well-rehearsed-controlled environment and with a predictable outcome. So, as to appear to operate as what is expected of a top Tier 1 unit to the chain of command. Which is not necessarily reflective of what they may or may not be capable of realistically? Because such situations are anything but predictable. The idea of such training, I imagine, is to find weaknesses and hone and develop skills that allow operatives/teams to adapt to high risk situations and complete the task/mission to the very best they can ideally achieve.
My family member is in the Aussie military, they work in a support role, nothing combat related. However, they told me drop out rate for just the regular infantry is pretty high. It's one of the most coveted roles in the Army but lots of people get injured, are not conditioned enough and so on and they need to transfer to other roles. This is just their anecdotal experience from talking to other service members who gave it a shot. I always though it wouldn't be 'that hard', in the sense that an average fit person could keep up but apprently that's not the case. As a non military person, hearing that put things into perspective for me, more than any documentary or whatever, how tough the SF standards must be to meet.
I'm aiming for the RAR and then eventually SF but, shit the infantry is tough enough in Australia hey.. I'm 15 but have plenty of time to prep thankfully
@@vinceversinceAU Good on ya mate, I was like that when I was 15 too. I joined when I 18 and was in 2RAR. I went all around the world on deployments. It's the best job in the world, probably even better than you imagine it to be.
What about the Dutch? We have the KCT (equivalent to green berets) and Marsof (equivalent to Marsoc/seals) and they are pretty capable from what I hear.
Tysvm on ur service in the USA military. I’m from Canada and retired from the Canadian CF Myself. God bless u and ur family and the other NATO members that’s still serving.
Back in 70/71 in Vietnam while doing recon in bush,could always know when a US marine unit was close,could smell the distinct camel/Winston cigarettes smell,was dead give away,some weed also,we never compromise our position just let ramble by,ex Aussie sas 68 to 76.
Nice, a little surprised that you haven't encountered the NZSAS or the SBS given the range of SOF teams you've covered ... nice to have a straight narrative without all the BS photos and other visual props 🙏
could you tells us about indian sof units cause honestly most of the indian sof units have constantly been battle tested since 65 - current but we dont know much about them and indian sources tend to hype their millitary's capability so honestly im not sure of what to make of them
I know SASR sometimes train with The Kopassus, however the general consensus from ADF members is neutral, meaning I've never heard our guys talking bad about them.
I read a book about a seal unit working with Turkish SOF and he said they are very professional and very happy to work with the yanks. Also they are good hosts and good drinkers.
We all have different mission sets, capabilities and roles, so honestly it would just be comparing apples to oranges and wouldn’t really hold any weight.
CANSOF JTF2 (tier 1 unit, It is notable that JTF2 remains the only foreign (from the American point of view) special operation unit to be conducted into American JSOC Tier 1 ranking (Along with Delta and Seal Team 6). CSOR (tier 2, which is probably the one he is referencing, since green beret is a tier 2 unit) Correct me if I am wrong sir.
Hey man. Do you have any experience working with the Malaysian Army Special Forces? Not trying to thump my chest. Just wanna know your input about our guys. Are they shit or squared away?
@muazazman3999 , probably more mind set. I saw them on one exercise, when the company were doing a company attack. They did not have bfa,s and had to re cock each shot. They did not perform any fire and movement, did not look for cover or decent firing positions, and most did not even aim in the direction of the Attack. I did see thir SF carry out some demonstrations and they were good, also their survival guys did some work with us, and again were very good. Their equipment was not bad, they were using Styer Aug, and their MREs were better than ours. We were very very good at counter insurgency, and worked in 9 man sections. Every one of us was a good navigator, and could problem solve, we were flexible. In my time 80s to mid 90s, I think in that role we were as good as any unit that I came accross, probably better than most. I trained with UK, US Army and Marines, NZ Infantry,and Malay. Came accross others as well, but did not train directly with them. I stress, I am only saying we were better at counter insurgency, in a bush scenario. In full on war, I would NOT want to be up against any US force, as their logistics and fire power is second to none, and it does not matter how skilled small units are when an A10, or 155mm regt is on to you, followed by a large body of grunts.
Not nearly as much experience, working with far fewer units. But I agree. ANA Commandos were scary and dangerous to work with. I worked with an Afghan SF medic and didn't realize he wasn't one of our guys at first. He was awesome to work with. I didn't work closely with the Brits, but we never had to worry about them and their AO. I also had the chance to work with UAE guys, and we enjoyed working with them. There are a lot of great Special Operations units from all over the world, and it was a privilege to work with a couple of them (not the Commandos).
Retired 18Z here, 5th & 10th Gp. I worked with the Commandos years ago, after the train hijacking. They were really nice guys, and of course, like most Dutch, spoke excellent English. This was years before 9/11. My recollections are hazy, but I remember them putting us through CQB, and they had some great tactics. Sorry, I can't remember more. By the way before SF, when I was a paratrooper with the 509th Abn out of Vicenza, Italy, I did the Nijmegen marches 3 times. We did 1 25miler in 5hrs 11mins. Love the Dutch people!
@@danstoye3902 I salute you my Italian brother. Thanks for sharing this information with me. I've been in the army for a year now as a CBRN operator but hadn't got the chance to talk with a commando yet since I rarely see them. Definitely planning on partaking in the Nijmegen marches next year tho
We had Aussies on exchange at our UK unit for a year! Beer monsters!! Shamed our whole regiment and most of the local civ pop in a steel working town 😂 that’s the convic moon shine upbringing 🇦🇺 🇬🇧😂
@@ValhallaVFT we had COs Pt organised for last day before summer leave. We had 3 Aussies still drinking beer at 7am whilst everyone was getting ready for parade 😂 then an 8mile Tab 🫣 they still managed it 👊🏻🇦🇺
I suppose you know this already but to for anyone else, pnpsaf is a police unit. Closest equivalent would probably FBI HRT but not super specialized. Theyre military trained police. I would love for you to do one about PH rangers and SF. And LRR which is our delta, trained by the US. Takes recruits from SF and Rangers. Im sure some US SF wpuld have stories
@@ValhallaVFT either one but mainly us like 82nd or 101st, wanting to go sof but my running is no where near where it needs to be and am looking for a stepping stone
1st ID deployed to Afghanistan in 2011 to integrate with ODAs and MARSOC and help with VSO. We were relieved by 82nd. I'm not aware of any other conventional units that worked SOF missions.
did you ever work with Pakistani SF they must have experience fighting the pakistani taliban too i guess ,also how are the indian para sf guys they also have been fighting insurgencies in india both there armies are amongst the best in the world with nuclear arsenals i bet there special forces would be pretty amazing too
Only caveat I would add mate is that there are pretty high level legislative authorisations around 2 Cdo Regt doing domestic ops. It basically has to be a pretty fucked situation for the boys to be recalled to assist.
Team time isn’t necessarily a factor, but you have to be an E-8, so obviously it’s very senior level position, probably 13+ years on the military at a minimum.
Poland doesn’t have one universal SOF unit. They have three strike units (plus some supporting ones): (a) GROM - which is considered Tier 1 SMU & equivalent to Delta and SAS (in fact, they both built GROM in the 1990s); (b) Commandos - equivalent to Green Berets; and (c) Formoza - equivalent to U.S. Navy SEALs. So which one are you referring to?
@@JoshuaFlashman-oc3wm in an airplane ? or train ? or boat ? plus revolver never fails, first shot first kill. so the tools chosen depends on critirea.
The PNP SAF you mentioned was police unit. You should have worked with the AFP units like the Light Reaction Regiment, NAVSOG, Scout Ranger and the SF those were really on par with western special units, highly skilled and experienced in a subpar equipment.
overproud afp check 🤣 tingin mo dyan hindi nakipag trained sa ibang unit ng AFP ? USSF green beret yan engot 🤣 tuturuan mo pa yung instructor 🤣 nanunuod ka na nga hindi mo pa naintindihan sinasabi 🤣 pilit mo pa yung SR na mga hilaw 🤣
@@scaucymancannotdiebaby7034 kawawa ka naman 🤣 haha alam na alam ng USSF kung sino mga hilaw at walan pinag aralan na mga highschool na uhaw sa atensyon at papuri 🤣 mga mabababang uri hahahaha
@@ln5747wouldn’t call them nobodies if you do your research there selection rate is one of the toughest in the world 1-2 people out of 100 make it every year it has a 1-3% pass rate most years they are just underfunded and Ireland is neutral so they don’t go blowing into other countries they have the exact same training as sbs maritime and conventional warfare so they have a wide skillset they typically only do hostage rescue or espionage they were in Mali Afghanistan and sudan and Lebanon most recently
@@inquisitorsneed2 they use mixture of British sbs/sas training and navy seal training their trained in everything so and no one has combat experience rlly anymore there hasn’t been many wars and there’s new soldiers coming in every year for selection so they’re of course new to it all too and well yeah they don’t fight in pointless oil wars or stupid things like that they just defend the country itself and go on rescue operations for Irish citizens or visa holders trapped in war torn countries they deploy more frequently than a lot other countries but your right they don’t kill rlly as Ireland is neutral but they have to operate with low funding which means they are even better for putting up with lack of transport(the Irish air corp is trash and seriously underfunded they always need to ask the French for a lift) they just have stricter rules of engagement and lack of funding on the air corp side is all and there’s only like 100-150 arw members so they lack on numbers too but training is 1-3 pass rate most years so it’s incredibly tough and lower than nearly all countries and they are tier 1 with a skillset in everything they don’t need proper combat experience in the same way most sof do as Ireland is neutral they are still trained in it so I wouldn’t doubt they would be bad in them situations any sof unit is still incredibly tough and skilled
My dad was an old 10th group guy and he always told me that no one was better in the mountains than the Italians, in climbing , skiing , fighting . He said he learned more from them than any other partnered SF unit. He always looked forward to training with them and remained friends with many of them . My dad got pretty good at the Italian language.
Russian SF were half decimated at the beginning of the war as they were used as basic infantry and got whacked in conventional exchanges. Very doubtful they’ll back to any reasonable levels for a decade if that.
@@neillgowans4350 Western media claimed at the time that 90% of the Russian Spetznatz and Airborne were KIA. It turned out that less than 10% were actually deployed to action and that it was a very limited operation (180.000 soldiers), nowhere near a "full-blown invasion" as the western media called it until not long ago.
@@neillgowans4350 That’s the biggest load of horse crap I’ve ever heard lol. Pure propaganda. Russian SF is arguably the most combat experienced/effective in the world at the moment.
Thai SF are decent. Aussie SF and alot of the ODA guys/JUSMAG ect work and train with them on the regular so they get exposed to alot of outside influences.
Every ANA guy said he was "commando special force". I was embedded with those fucks for 2 deployments. 4 Canadians in a strong point with an ANA rifle coy made for interesting situations.
@ValhallaFirearmsTraining right got it. During GWOT. I thought geolocation of certain groups didn't matter and 7th group guys from south America 1st group from Asia and even 10th Group from europe all fought in the middle east. Is it like that rotation of all groups to flash points has now stopped and they've been restricted back to their default co-location spot now?
I personally haven’t worked them, but one of our companies ODAs in Afghanistan in 2018 and said they were terrible. So take that for what it is I guess.
@@ValhallaVFTdid you work with the german special forces?ksk and ksm(frogman)!the german frogman helped to build seal team 6 back in the days with the gsg9!did you work with the germans special forces?
Have you had the opportunity to train with Singaporean Commandos? Our guys aren't battle tested but they do alot of cross-training with US SF units, often sending guys over to attend Q Course, BUD/S, US Ranger School etc.
@@ValhallaVFT ah, I see. I suppose that's because there isn't a Command, like SOCKOR, that is dedicated to training with our forces, and so our SOF units don't train as often with you guys compared to the Koreans. That said, I have heard from some of my friends who were conscript Commandos that they would sometimes see Americans or some other western foreign forces in the canteen interacting with our high ranking officers. Perhaps most of the training is just undisclosed information.
The Filipino SF follow the famous Recondo School type of training, dating back to the Vietnam War. Back then, the graduation consisted in a week-long Recon Patrol behind Enemy Lines. You survive, you graduate. Crazy shit.
I’ve heard about that. Pretty wild stuff.
Didn’t the Philippine government recently offer the Moro to have a say in governance and they accept? So the live action recon wouldn’t happen now or is it still on like kong?
Was thinking the exact same thing based on all of the Vietnam era LRRP/LRP books that I've read.
@@radaraacf yea but alot of dissidents rebels didnt like that and split off, now you got folks like ISIS and other armed groups roaming around.
@@radaraacf It still happens. There are still belligerents like Abu Sayaf and Commie rebels. There are still Moro rebels who are not taking part of the peace deal
Never was special anything just a navy mechanic. Singapore was probably the worst group we ever had to work with . The French navy was always a pleasure to work with and they had beer on their boat. Only 1 a day but it was nice .
Ah man, sorry to hear that you had a bad time working with my country's navy... I'm curious to know the reason why though!
@@lychvy8023 probably just ran into a bad unit. Every military has them. I've heard nothing but good things about Singapore, personally!
The Navy needs mechanics - thank you for your service. :)
ROK Marine here.
Spot on about the ROK side.
We hate it too, it's so suffocating LOL. Just the entire culture in general is like that. The strict East Asian culture where discipline and power hierarchies are on steroids. It's a big reason why our SOF community and the military retention rate as a whole are dying.
(I have heard about how the ROKA SWC is a bit over the top with appealing to their COC, compared to ROK NSW/ROKMC Force Recon and etc. It's even a known thing among the ROKs.)
Yup, combat experience is rare.
Most combat experience our guys have are border skirmishes, anti-piracy OPs, artillery exchanges,/IDF, and mine incidents that happen occasionally.
(We get shit on by the ROK 'Nam/DMZ[when the DMZ was actually fucking active and crazy] vets all the time for it 😂)
But hey, thankfully it's been getting better nowadays. LMFAO.
Been enjoying your videos, keep up the good shit man.
Cool to hear perspective from your side, I’d imagine it would be frustrating to deal with.
I was US Army at the JSA on camp Bonifas in 2015. While I wasn't SF or working with SF, the JSA ROK infantry guys are supposed to be at least a little bit better than the rest, and I can say for them, they were pretty bad in terms of just complaining, tired, unmotivated...
You nailed it with the hiarcy thing and I can attest to that as I've been back and forth to Korea for the last 8 years, because I have a Korean wife and three half Korean kids who go to Korean school. Military hiarcy mixed with Korean culture is a toxic combo for sure.. I don't even want my son's to go to the Korean army to maintain citizenship anymore, it's disgusting.
@@AlwaysFknSalty Makes sense. They were forced into it.
That's a big reason why the people who do join the ROKMC do so. It's the only volunteer branch. Everyone's here because they want to be.
@@meanjune Ah so ROK Marines are volunteer. Interesting. Is the budget any better there?
@@AlwaysFknSalty Nope, same as the US. We're dept. of the Navy. We're the most broke. Hand me downs.
Hey man, this was awesome. Thank you for sharing your experiences. I know it's a long shot due to the controversial aspect, but you should do one where you share your opinion on all of the American SOF units you worked with.
Always enjoy these!
As a Korean, very embarrassed that the Korean special forces were in a low rank,
than completely convinced when I heard that the training was all a play lol
I only served for a short period of time as a conscript, but the vertical culture of the Korean military, closed communication, training that had nothing to do with actual combat, inefficient customs, etc. were really annoying things during my service.
I think the Korean military is particularly severe, although it may be a thing of every military.
Many young officers try to solve this, but most of them leave the army before long.
As the population decreases, the number of conscripts is also decreasing, and the application rate for officers and NCO is gradually decreasing, and the rate of early discharge is increasing.
I'm really worried!
Thanks for your video. Well observed.
I would’ve expected the Koreans to be higher. Japanese SF I could’ve guessed
@@mattwarner5742 Absolutely agree
Happy to hear CSOR and CANSOF got ranked so high
As pissed as I am about how the CAF is being manhandled, I hope that CANSOF will find ways to keep quality persons despite the cuts
Same shit happening int the US, both countries need a leadership change direly.
The solution is clear, the minister of defense needs to act ASAP
Which Polish SF did you work with? They have 5 or 6 groups within their SF. I think GROM is supposed to be their most elite.
Brother thank you for sharing your experience. And thank you for serving our country.
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@@ValhallaVFTso u worked with jtf2 before?
Thank you for sharing your thought.
For Canadian 🇨🇦 SF, I am assuming you mean CSOR (Tier 2) and not JTF2 (Tier 1)? Because your list had a mixture of the two tiers.
Good video mate and nice to hear you hold British SAS in high regard
any experience or info on Norwegian special operations?
great vid
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Im a follower of your channel, and that was a great video.
Question for you, if you can reply:
-If one has passed SFAS and getting ready for SFQC, what manuals do you recommend studying for tactics?
-Ranger Handbook
-Inf Squad/Platoon ATP 3-21.8
-Small Unit Tactics Handbook by Paul LeFavor
Ranger handbook is a standard, it will help you immensely in SUT. Small unit tactics handbook is also very good. Those two is probably All you need to be honest.
@@ValhallaVFT Thanks for your response - time to dig in then!
Great to hear you have the Aussies up the top! I must also mention that our brother across the ditch, the New Zealand SAS are also up there with the best..
They got a health boost to the top from also being the most fun dudes I worked with by a large margin.
What a Ozzie saying something good about the kiwis
@LongShadong Haha when it comes to sports yeah we like to bash each other and talk shit but when it comes to war we will always have each others backs ANZAC
@@LongShadong You cant spell anzac without New Zealand.
@@dreday77764 nothing better than a bit of banter
Nice vid man. keep it up.
I've seen a few clips of joint exercises between green berets and indian para sf. Whats your opinion on them or know any colleagues who have worked with them?
Last time i heard about indian para sf they are struggling to deal with so calked terrorists in indian kashmir…they suck just like indian air crash
What are your views, at least reputation wise, of adversarial special forces units?
Former British soldier here. I was watching the video, obviously hoping that our SF would be at the top but I definitely cant argue about the skill and likeability of the ‘strailians. My best mate was an Aussie commando and that man can brighten up the most dismal f*cking nasty, rainy cold shit day and turn it into a laugh. 🍻
Great vid. 🙂
Thanks man
Cool vid!!!
What's the general consensus on South African SF? Do Green Beret's (3rd Group) often get to work with them?
I'm Australian and would often bump in to ex recces in Iraq that were doing PMC work, they seemed ok. They had a good reputation pre '94.
Cheers, did you manage to work with the romanian SOF? I heard they operated with the american SOF community but i have never heard any feedback besides the diplomatic stuff ..
Thank you!
I think you got on correct point. Real combat experience and Culture things. KR have typical vertical culture even in SF. Our last combat experience was Vietnam war. It was long time ago and after we got nothing on combat experience.
Also how well equipped were the Mongolians? Were they just really good from a mountaineering/ physical standpoint but underfunded? Were they better than you guys at Mountain ops? I imagine they had horses ha
They were definitely better than us at rock climbing, not necessarily operations. And they had actually just stood the unit up recently so not that high level of equipment at that time.
What happened to those Afghan Special Forces guys that were trained by Green Berets? Imprisoned? Or did they escape?
They’ve still got a resistance force. A lot have been killed though.
Wasn't #ruzziaTerroristState trying to recruit them?
Was solidly hoping to see if you trained with the Indian Para SF, not many stories about Indo-US sf training out there. Would love to hear an outside perspective
A large part of that reason is that India does tend to hang out under the Moscow umbrella of influence, more than most.
India is actually in multiple joint research projects with Russia. Also have some mutual defense agreements.
So of course the U.S. will not be interacting militarily with Indian military all that often. But hey, you get Russian military tech on the cheap. LOL
No question about it India would be at the bottom of the list lol
If you have the time and willingness, I would like to suggest a future video. In which you discuss more in depth about the issues you had with some units. For example, Japan, Korea or any others.
I understand you mentioned "optics". Meaning, of course, the "theatrics" regarding how a said unit performs in front of the chain of command.
Again, "the culture" being a significant reason behind such mentalities. Naturally, a unit doesn't improve when they don't learn to adapt in such a potentially high-risk situation.
From what you mentioned, it seems like they wanted to practice a specific situation in a well-rehearsed-controlled environment and with a predictable outcome. So, as to appear to operate as what is expected of a top Tier 1 unit to the chain of command. Which is not necessarily reflective of what they may or may not be capable of realistically? Because such situations are anything but predictable.
The idea of such training, I imagine, is to find weaknesses and hone and develop skills that allow operatives/teams to adapt to high risk situations and complete the task/mission to the very best they can ideally achieve.
Did you ever had any exposure to Philippines Light reaction regiment? if so how good are they?
Trained with them, amazing soldiers, hard as nails.
My family member is in the Aussie military, they work in a support role, nothing combat related. However, they told me drop out rate for just the regular infantry is pretty high. It's one of the most coveted roles in the Army but lots of people get injured, are not conditioned enough and so on and they need to transfer to other roles. This is just their anecdotal experience from talking to other service members who gave it a shot. I always though it wouldn't be 'that hard', in the sense that an average fit person could keep up but apprently that's not the case. As a non military person, hearing that put things into perspective for me, more than any documentary or whatever, how tough the SF standards must be to meet.
I'm aiming for the RAR and then eventually SF but, shit the infantry is tough enough in Australia hey.. I'm 15 but have plenty of time to prep thankfully
@@vinceversinceAU Good on ya mate, I was like that when I was 15 too. I joined when I 18 and was in 2RAR. I went all around the world on deployments. It's the best job in the world, probably even better than you imagine it to be.
Great point, I've been of the school of thinking that the average quality matter more than the elite quality.
@@adamroper1197 second to no bastard!
salute sir, did you ever worked with Tunisians ? ( they won Leapfest 1994, Tunisian Airborn Regiment)
What about the Dutch? We have the KCT (equivalent to green berets) and Marsof (equivalent to Marsoc/seals) and they are pretty capable from what I hear.
Love the channel.
Thanks 🙏
Tysvm on ur service in the USA military. I’m from Canada and retired from the Canadian CF Myself. God bless u and ur family and the other NATO members that’s still serving.
Back in 70/71 in Vietnam while doing recon in bush,could always know when a US marine unit was close,could smell the distinct camel/Winston cigarettes smell,was dead give away,some weed also,we never compromise our position just let ramble by,ex Aussie sas 68 to 76.
My dad was a green beret same time period. He’s told me that exact same thing.
@@ValhallaVFTthe green beret were way in front of grunts, they probably keep there distance same as we did.
Victor Charles avoided areas the Oz SASR worked in even with that nice big bonus on the SASR heads.
What about us 1st special forces group? They any good? Asking cause I heard some things.
Nice, a little surprised that you haven't encountered the NZSAS or the SBS given the range of SOF teams you've covered ... nice to have a straight narrative without all the BS photos and other visual props 🙏
Awesome nate❤
could you tells us about indian sof units cause honestly most of the indian sof units have constantly been battle tested since 65 - current but we dont know much about them and indian sources tend to hype their millitary's capability so honestly im not sure of what to make of them
Never worked with any so I don’t have any real information to give, sorry.
you can surely trust Indian sf units. They are the best in mountain warfare specially.
Do you have experience working (training) with the Indonesian SOF? Are they competent enough?
I personally never worked in Indonesia so I can’t really comment on that unfortunately.
I know SASR sometimes train with The Kopassus, however the general consensus from ADF members is neutral, meaning I've never heard our guys talking bad about them.
Ever worked with dutch SOF? And thoughts?
Have you ever worked with the Turkish SOF? If so what's your opinion on them?
Wasn’t in 5th group so I didn’t work with any Middle East units outside of Afghanistan/Iraq.
@@ValhallaVFT thanks
Apparently they are a "delight" to work with!
I read a book about a seal unit working with Turkish SOF and he said they are very professional and very happy to work with the yanks. Also they are good hosts and good drinkers.
What do you think about the Hungarian Special Forces(HUNSOF)?
Worked with the 34th in Afghanistan. Recon unit mostly.
@@mannyhernandez6507 What was your overall experience working with them?
He wouldn’t have worked with them. The 10th group handles Europe, this guy was 1st group.
Where do you rank Russian Spetsnaz and Alpha Group?
Anyone worked with Georgian special forces? If yes, were they any good?
I don’t know if this unit still exists: Lanceros? Colombia. They also had actual combat CT ops as a Graduation exercise.
Can you do a similar vid but us sof units instead of foreign?
We all have different mission sets, capabilities and roles, so honestly it would just be comparing apples to oranges and wouldn’t really hold any weight.
CANSOF
JTF2 (tier 1 unit, It is notable that JTF2 remains the only foreign (from the American point of view) special operation unit to be conducted into American JSOC Tier 1 ranking (Along with Delta and Seal Team 6).
CSOR (tier 2, which is probably the one he is referencing, since green beret is a tier 2 unit)
Correct me if I am wrong sir.
Tiers don’t mean anything outside of funding.
Delta and ST6 doesn't work with U.S. Special Forces. 😁
@@JoshuaFlashman-oc3wm
Super Kuiu.
#ericcsrtman
any opinion on argentine commando´s
Hey man. Do you have any experience working with the Malaysian Army Special Forces? Not trying to thump my chest. Just wanna know your input about our guys. Are they shit or squared away?
The only time my unit was doing something with Malaysia I was recovering from a shoulder surgery, so unfortunately I haven’t.
The Gherak Khas look pretty badass on that new Netflix show.
I worked with Malays. I don't rate their infantry very highly, but their SF were very good from what I saw at Pulada.
@@topendgold9284 in what way were the grunts awful? Mindset? Capability? Equipment?
@muazazman3999 , probably more mind set. I saw them on one exercise, when the company were doing a company attack. They did not have bfa,s and had to re cock each shot. They did not perform any fire and movement, did not look for cover or decent firing positions, and most did not even aim in the direction of the Attack.
I did see thir SF carry out some demonstrations and they were good, also their survival guys did some work with us, and again were very good. Their equipment was not bad, they were using Styer Aug, and their MREs were better than ours. We were very very good at counter insurgency, and worked in 9 man sections. Every one of us was a good navigator, and could problem solve, we were flexible. In my time 80s to mid 90s, I think in that role we were as good as any unit that I came accross, probably better than most. I trained with UK, US Army and Marines, NZ Infantry,and Malay. Came accross others as well, but did not train directly with them. I stress, I am only saying we were better at counter insurgency, in a bush scenario. In full on war, I would NOT want to be up against any US force, as their logistics and fire power is second to none, and it does not matter how skilled small units are when an A10, or 155mm regt is on to you, followed by a large body of grunts.
Swede here, wondering if you or anyone you know has worked with the Swedish SOG and what you/they thought of them.
I don’t, too bad too, that’s where my family is from. Would have been cool to work with them.
@@ValhallaVFT I understand. The SOG have been my dream/obsession for about the last two years so I want to get my hands on as much info as I can.
Not nearly as much experience, working with far fewer units. But I agree. ANA Commandos were scary and dangerous to work with. I worked with an Afghan SF medic and didn't realize he wasn't one of our guys at first. He was awesome to work with. I didn't work closely with the Brits, but we never had to worry about them and their AO. I also had the chance to work with UAE guys, and we enjoyed working with them. There are a lot of great Special Operations units from all over the world, and it was a privilege to work with a couple of them (not the Commandos).
Any idea where the Dutch commando's and the NLmarsof rank compared to other special forces? Never heard anyone outside of my country talk about them
Haven’t heard anything about them and haven’t worked with them so I don’t know.
Retired 18Z here, 5th & 10th Gp. I worked with the Commandos years ago, after the train hijacking. They were really nice guys, and of course, like most Dutch, spoke excellent English. This was years before 9/11. My recollections are hazy, but I remember them putting us through CQB, and they had some great tactics. Sorry, I can't remember more. By the way before SF, when I was a paratrooper with the 509th Abn out of Vicenza, Italy, I did the Nijmegen marches 3 times. We did 1 25miler in 5hrs 11mins. Love the Dutch people!
@@danstoye3902 I salute you my Italian brother. Thanks for sharing this information with me. I've been in the army for a year now as a CBRN operator but hadn't got the chance to talk with a commando yet since I rarely see them. Definitely planning on partaking in the Nijmegen marches next year tho
We had Aussies on exchange at our UK unit for a year! Beer monsters!! Shamed our whole regiment and most of the local civ pop in a steel working town 😂 that’s the convic moon shine upbringing 🇦🇺 🇬🇧😂
Those dudes are out of fucking control, the most fun to work with by far.
@@ValhallaVFT we had COs Pt organised for last day before summer leave. We had 3 Aussies still drinking beer at 7am whilst everyone was getting ready for parade 😂 then an 8mile Tab 🫣 they still managed it 👊🏻🇦🇺
Walter who was that then? Beer monsters? No Brit would call an Aussie a Beer monster. So who you with?
A Brit calling an Aussie a beer monster ?? Hahaha behave yaself
@@SuperOwls1867 yerp it’s true
Drinking is frowned upon now in UK armed forces. Unless your in the red arrows
I suppose you know this already but to for anyone else, pnpsaf is a police unit. Closest equivalent would probably FBI HRT but not super specialized. Theyre military trained police.
I would love for you to do one about PH rangers and SF. And LRR which is our delta, trained by the US. Takes recruits from SF and Rangers. Im sure some US SF wpuld have stories
the last you mention is not really expose in actual combat. SAF is the everyday terrorist hunter in Mindanao
Do you know the ksk?
What would you say the best conventional unit you’ve worked with is?
Conventional U.S. unit or foreign? We don’t typically work with conventional units for the most part.
@@ValhallaVFT either one but mainly us like 82nd or 101st, wanting to go sof but my running is no where near where it needs to be and am looking for a stepping stone
1st ID deployed to Afghanistan in 2011 to integrate with ODAs and MARSOC and help with VSO. We were relieved by 82nd. I'm not aware of any other conventional units that worked SOF missions.
did you train with Finnish sof? if so what was ur impression
Nope, no Scandinavian countries, sadly as that’s my ethnic background.
Talk about army rangers and if you trained with them
We worked with SF overseas and had a exchange program where they sent us an SF team sergeant and we sent them a Ranger SL.
did you ever work with Pakistani SF they must have experience fighting the pakistani taliban too i guess ,also how are the indian para sf guys they also have been fighting insurgencies in india both there armies are amongst the best in the world with nuclear arsenals i bet there special forces would be pretty amazing too
Although not technically Special forces, Whats your view on the Royal Marine Commandos Nathan?
Haven’t ever work with them so my opinion isn’t worth much on that front.
For such a small corps, around six to seven thousand, they provide a huge percentage of all UK SF.
lol
@@ValhallaVFT
Same level as seals
@@inquisitorsneed2 yes, except for team 6.
Only caveat I would add mate is that there are pretty high level legislative authorisations around 2 Cdo Regt doing domestic ops. It basically has to be a pretty fucked situation for the boys to be recalled to assist.
Real question is what would you rate our SF teams? Is there other countries that are better than us?
No, USSOF is well beyond anyone else, we have 10x the combat experience.
You forgot to mention how much the Aussie soldiers drink. I am retired and in my sixties, my wife still complains about it!
Partying with the Aussies is part of what they got rated so high brother.
How long do you have to be in the team to be become 18Z?
Team time isn’t necessarily a factor, but you have to be an E-8, so obviously it’s very senior level position, probably 13+ years on the military at a minimum.
Wonder if you can ask any of your buddies from 10th gropup if they have worked with croatian sof and if they did what is their opinion on them?
Poland doesn’t have one universal SOF unit. They have three strike units (plus some supporting ones): (a) GROM - which is considered Tier 1 SMU & equivalent to Delta and SAS (in fact, they both built GROM in the 1990s); (b) Commandos - equivalent to Green Berets; and (c) Formoza - equivalent to U.S. Navy SEALs. So which one are you referring to?
A good drinking game :-
Take a shot every time he touches his hat :)
Kidding. Good video :)
Not gonna deny that on the part of the PNP SAF and other filipino units, their tactics are somehow outdated but they are effective
Did you ever work with the french? Heard aome good things about GIGN
Nope, never worked with any French unit.
@@JoshuaFlashman-oc3wm I've heard the same, it's baller as fuck
point man use .357 or .44 because of stopping power@@JoshuaFlashman-oc3wm
@@JoshuaFlashman-oc3wm in an airplane ? or train ? or boat ? plus revolver never fails, first shot first kill. so the tools chosen depends on critirea.
@@JoshuaFlashman-oc3wm .357magnum DA revolvers. Leroy Thompson wrote articles about GIGN. He trained with SAS, Met, Special Branch, GSG9 🇩🇪 ....
Depends on the day!
The PNP SAF you mentioned was police unit. You should have worked with the AFP units like the Light Reaction Regiment, NAVSOG, Scout Ranger and the SF those were really on par with western special units, highly skilled and experienced in a subpar equipment.
overproud afp check 🤣 tingin mo dyan hindi nakipag trained sa ibang unit ng AFP ? USSF green beret yan engot 🤣 tuturuan mo pa yung instructor 🤣 nanunuod ka na nga hindi mo pa naintindihan sinasabi 🤣 pilit mo pa yung SR na mga hilaw 🤣
He knows who's the best in the Philippines. he actually worked on AFP Sof unit but he didn't like em
@@marchmondaze07266 lol ok instik bodyguard.
@@liriko6310 no
@@scaucymancannotdiebaby7034 kawawa ka naman 🤣 haha alam na alam ng USSF kung sino mga hilaw at walan pinag aralan na mga highschool na uhaw sa atensyon at papuri 🤣 mga mabababang uri hahahaha
What's your opinion on mexican special forces
Wasn’t in 7th group so I didnt work with any central or South American countries.
Can russian OMON be considered a SF ?
For what Filipinos lack in tactics, they make up for with heart
ODA 1116 HALO Okinawa 2019? Got your patch brother Phill from NZ
Haha ya that’s my old ODA. I went out to Oki in 2020 though so must have just missed that trip.
Have you ever worked with or trained with the irish army rangers (A.R.W) before?
Nope can’t comment on them didn’t ever work with Ireland at all.
Lol nobodies.
@@ln5747wouldn’t call them nobodies if you do your research there selection rate is one of the toughest in the world 1-2 people out of 100 make it every year it has a 1-3% pass rate most years they are just underfunded and Ireland is neutral so they don’t go blowing into other countries they have the exact same training as sbs maritime and conventional warfare so they have a wide skillset they typically only do hostage rescue or espionage they were in Mali Afghanistan and sudan and Lebanon most recently
@@G.K92yeah but they don't see any real action, great training though because they use the British training
@@inquisitorsneed2 they use mixture of British sbs/sas training and navy seal training their trained in everything so and no one has combat experience rlly anymore there hasn’t been many wars and there’s new soldiers coming in every year for selection so they’re of course new to it all too and well yeah they don’t fight in pointless oil wars or stupid things like that they just defend the country itself and go on rescue operations for Irish citizens or visa holders trapped in war torn countries they deploy more frequently than a lot other countries but your right they don’t kill rlly as Ireland is neutral but they have to operate with low funding which means they are even better for putting up with lack of transport(the Irish air corp is trash and seriously underfunded they always need to ask the French for a lift) they just have stricter rules of engagement and lack of funding on the air corp side is all and there’s only like 100-150 arw members so they lack on numbers too but training is 1-3 pass rate most years so it’s incredibly tough and lower than nearly all countries and they are tier 1 with a skillset in everything they don’t need proper combat experience in the same way most sof do as Ireland is neutral they are still trained in it so I wouldn’t doubt they would be bad in them situations any sof unit is still incredibly tough and skilled
How does exchange program work in SOF?
What do you mean?
@@ValhallaVFT Exchange program within other countries' SOF. Like exchange with Japanese SF, Australian SF etc..
Could you go into more detail on Canadian sof? Our government provides literally nothing about special forces.
Any experience with Italian SF?
Nope not personally, I know some guys who have but I have no first hand experience.
My dad was an old 10th group guy and he always told me that no one was better in the mountains than the Italians, in climbing , skiing , fighting . He said he learned more from them than any other partnered SF unit. He always looked forward to training with them and remained friends with many of them . My dad got pretty good at the Italian language.
French SAS, Commando Marine and CPA 10, also GCP and GCM. Man...when people puts stereotypes apart and work with them...my God....
What about KAIBILES a lot ppl talk about those guys!
Imagine how good Ukrainian and Russian special forces are now with shit ton of experiences in modern high intensity conflict
Russian SF were half decimated at the beginning of the war as they were used as basic infantry and got whacked in conventional exchanges. Very doubtful they’ll back to any reasonable levels for a decade if that.
@@neillgowans4350
Western media claimed at the time that 90% of the Russian Spetznatz and Airborne were KIA. It turned out that less than 10% were actually deployed to action and that it was a very limited operation (180.000 soldiers), nowhere near a "full-blown invasion" as the western media called it until not long ago.
@@neillgowans4350 That’s the biggest load of horse crap I’ve ever heard lol. Pure propaganda. Russian SF is arguably the most combat experienced/effective in the world at the moment.
@@neillgowans4350negative. They never lost that many. You can find countless videos of them conducting ops rn
@@neillgowans4350 lol, keep dreaming
How are the Thai special forces?
Thai SF are decent. Aussie SF and alot of the ODA guys/JUSMAG ect work and train with them on the regular so they get exposed to alot of outside influences.
Every ANA guy said he was "commando special force". I was embedded with those fucks for 2 deployments. 4 Canadians in a strong point with an ANA rifle coy made for interesting situations.
Never worked with Nigerian Navy SBS or South African Recce?
Nah, that’s all 3rd group. I spent zero time in Africa.
@ValhallaFirearmsTraining right got it.
During GWOT. I thought geolocation of certain groups didn't matter and 7th group guys from south America 1st group from Asia and even 10th Group from europe all fought in the middle east.
Is it like that rotation of all groups to flash points has now stopped and they've been restricted back to their default co-location spot now?
Do 10th groupers work with the Israeli commando brigade?
I would assume it would be 5th group who would if we did. Not sure though.
@@ValhallaVFT Thanks for the answer man. In general, have you heard about experiences from other SF guys of working with israeli SoF?
Mjk - fsk?
What you think about italian sf?
I personally haven’t worked them, but one of our companies ODAs in Afghanistan in 2018 and said they were terrible. So take that for what it is I guess.
@@ValhallaVFTdid you work with the german special forces?ksk and ksm(frogman)!the german frogman helped to build seal team 6 back in the days with the gsg9!did you work with the germans special forces?
@@ValhallaVFT Terrible, like bad or beast ?
Have you worked with Special Services Group (SSG) of pakistan? I heard they are pretty good.
Aren’t Japanese SF super secret like Delta?, also what you think of Mexican SOF/SMUs?
Sounds more like who made you laugh most got the top spots
What about Mexican army sf and navy sf
Good job it Just Your opinion low rating of the SBS is way off 😳😳😳
Except my opinion is infinitely more informed than yours so we’re gona say mine is right and yours is wrong. 👍
@@ValhallaVFT social media gobshite with a rich history of warriors lol,,, but your dad was a green beret in vietnam,,
And why the fuck do you think you know more than someone who actually worked them?
Have you had the opportunity to train with Singaporean Commandos? Our guys aren't battle tested but they do alot of cross-training with US SF units, often sending guys over to attend Q Course, BUD/S, US Ranger School etc.
Probably the one Asian country I haven’t worked with to be honest.
@@ValhallaVFT ah, I see. I suppose that's because there isn't a Command, like SOCKOR, that is dedicated to training with our forces, and so our SOF units don't train as often with you guys compared to the Koreans.
That said, I have heard from some of my friends who were conscript Commandos that they would sometimes see Americans or some other western foreign forces in the canteen interacting with our high ranking officers. Perhaps most of the training is just undisclosed information.
I have a lot of green beret friends easy to work with
Bro nice fuckin hat hahahaha love it
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What's the word on the Jordanian special forces as well?
In Asia it’s all about “face”. How things appear are more important than how they function.
What about jtf2?
They have the standing combat sniper record, SW Asia 🥇 . Iraq, rifle- .50BMG custom. The older sniper record was a UK 🇬🇧 army sniper .338 Lapua.
You forgot the foreign forces like the American navy seals and Delta force.