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Greg reviews two of his FAVORITE chairs after nearly a full year after use as his daily drivers in the office. Find out his opinions about the Steelcase Leap and Steelcase Amia.
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Refurbished Amia - bit.ly/2Vg7xyD (BTOD)
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1:37 Adjustments
2:25 Seat Depth Adjustment
3:07 Backrests
5:52 Tilt Function
7:52 Comfort
11:37 Policies
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Thanks for the lesson on these two! I watched your video on how you refurbish the Leap v2 and it convinced me to go ahead and order one. Looking forward to getting it!
So glad you mentioned the tailbone issue with the Leap V2. I lost weight over the last couple of years and now I don't have much rear padding. I notice it the most in the car where my tailbone region gets fatigued after 30 mins or so. This would likely make the Leap with the thin seat a problem for me. Thanks for pointing out all the little details like that!
You’re welcome. Glad we could help! -GK
@@btodtv Hi, you mention that the padding in the Amia is thicker than the leap. Do you feel that the BTOD refurbished process where you add foam, solves this issue. I'm trying to decide between the two right now. I've only sat on a leap before, and although the chair was nice, I did wish it had a thicker foam bottom. Right now leaning towards Amia, but I havne't test drove it.
When we add high density foam for the refurbishing process, it is to make it feel similar to a new chair. Over time the seat pad will compress some and this helps to rejuvenate it for the next 10+ years. I believe the Amia offers a deeper feel for the tailbone region which solved my issue that happened when using the Leap daily. Hopefully this helps. -GK
@@btodtv Thanks for the thoughtful response. In the end, I think I'd like to have an Amia with a headrest. But it doesn't look like a good solution exists for that configuration. Do you have any suggestions
@@btodtv How tall are you ?
Thanks so much to BTOD for their reviews and videos ... they have been helpful as i still navigate towards the perfect chair for me ...
a "chair" is unlikely to correct your posture ... that may need to be addressed in other ways ...
but the chair should be doable and comfy with minimal add ons ... (diff lumbar or a footrest perhaps) and it gets a bit down to budget ... but i wasnt overly impressed with the herman miller even --- and many people love those .... tried the b and the c --- the c SHOULD be my size --- i wasnt overly impressed .... gateway vito wasnt bad it was one of the better ones --- and i found a place to buy it NEW for about 470 bux ....
I juat got an Amia from a liquidation and I gotta thank you guys.
I've tried so many damn chairs and my arse hurts in all of them.
Sat in this bad boy all day yesterday and it felt great. I think I'd still prefer more arse cushion but I'm not getting the aches I used to get which is AWESOME.
That's amazing. I love the Amia. Glad we could help! -GK
How does one go to find about about liquidations in one's area? I notice many companies have Steelcase/Aeron chairs, and end up selling them, but I have no clue where to start looking.
This vid came at a perfect time. Thanks for the breakdown!
Nice! -GK
I love my amia.....I added smooth rollers (roller blade wheels) I'm telling you, absolute game changer.
This guy is like Anthony from RevZilla but for office chairs. Seriously amazing resource to people.
Holy cow! You’re spot on!
You say the backrest on the amia is "less" than that on the leap. What setting would the leap v2 be dialed at for that comparison. I have mine close to all the way out with maybe a few notches away from that w/ the adjustable BR totally removed. Would you say the amia compares to that?
Any experience with the steelcase please v2 (or please air) and how that stacks up against these? The ergonomics of it are very enticing, but for some reason reviews of it are very scarce.
Just ordered the Amia! can't wait for it to come in.
Watched a bunch of your videos. Got myself a lightly used Amia that someone didn't need anymore because they were turning their office into their kid's playroom. I really lucked out. I didn't think I could get an Amia for the full price but I got it for less than half. I can say it's night and day after using the same simple office chair for 12 years. This thing feels so comfortable and helps with my back pain so much. Can't recommend this enough.
I'd like to see a review for the Steelcase Think. There aren't many reviews for it out there, and I'm curious about it. The pricing is middle-range compared to the others, and it seems to be significantly different. Personally I like the option for a mesh back, since I tend to run hot.
I have it and I chose it over the Gesture, Embody, and Sayl
Hi,thanks for your interesting review.If you had to choose between the Leap,the Emea and the Please chair for telework in the living room of yor house,which one would you choose?Choosing an office chair for your living rooom means at least in my opinion,that it must have an acceptable aesthetic.Besides,my back is not the healthiest part of my body,since I have an impingement in the lower back.Thanks!
Could you please tell what's the difference between the seat height (from seat to back) of these two chairs?
Do the arm adjustments lock into different height levels or can you really put them anywhere?
TEd lasso giving me office chair advices, and I like it
Thanks for the fantastic content! Glad I found this channel. I am finding it very difficult to find a good chair for my height.. it makes me circle around gaming racechairs.. but I want to invest wisely and healthy for my body. I’m about 6’6 (198cm) and 95kg with big shoulders but not that big waist. And I like recline. I am willing to spend around 1k for a great chair but is that even possible? If not I could push to about 1,5k, but 2k I cant justify as a student. Is there anything you can recommend for my stats? Keep it up with the nice channel! :)
I went to the store today thinking for sure I'd buy a Leap V2. I tried the Amia and liked it better. I like how you can lock in the back and more restrictive back was magical for me. I have a hearniated disc and like the support I get with the Amia. The back can flex and has some movement in it too. Thanks for these videos or else I would of never of found the Amia!
What store?
@@j.m4a1 There's a used office supply store that I found through Facebook Marketplace. I got lucky but it's worth trying if you live near a large city.
Great video! I am going to get a Leap and I see there are two options for the surface material of the seat, Cogent and Medley(or called Era?). What is the difference and which one do you prefer?
So I think I need the extra cushion that the Amia provides (I have a sensitive coccyx/tailbone), but also the extra lumbar feature the Leap has. So that puts me in a dilemma, keeping me from purchasing either one. I wish Steelcase would combine the best of both chairs (i.e., the "Lamia"), as I think they'd find a very big market for it. Too bad. Now I'm looking at the Haworth Fern as the other option.
I am in the exact situation, what did you go with?
We need a Leapia
You can always purchase a mid level seat pad, its gonna be harder to find a back solution
@@mattkradelman7964the backrest of amia is amazing tho
@zrrifle BTOD created the Lamia which is exactly what you need(Steelcase back + Amia seat).
Could you please review the Nightingale IC2 chair?
I got an Amia in a Steelcase ReMarket sale. I was originally going in for the Leap V2 but they were all taken because i was 5 minutes late (uhg). So i grabbed the last Amia, and I really ended up liking it! Got it with the 4-way arm rests, the only complaint I have about it is that you can't lock in the arm rests. They are easily moved if you bumped into it or sliding it in your desk. Anyways, It's a huge upgrade over my $50 random amazon chair.
Is the Leap v2 a lot cheaper than the Leap? Because I'm seeing one, refurbished, for $600 on Amazon.
@@primal9238leap v2 is generally speaking, more expensive
I bought and tried both. 6"4' 150 lbs. I highly recommend getting the Amia over the Leap. I have a hard time even seeing how anyone could find the Leap more comfortable than the Amia. The Amia seat pan and backrest are significantly more comfortable than the leap and it feels less flimsy than the Leap v2. The lumbar on the Amia is also a lot more reasonable and much less aggressive.
6'4 and 150? god damn
@@idvoro common American response when someone isn't 350lbs and has trouble walking up a flight of stairs
@@hwtube3431 no man, youre a child
@@hwtube3431 youre feeble child to me
The downside of the Amia is the backrest lumber height adjustment. No matter what you do if you set it to upper position, it will gradually lower itself and to me it's a deal breaker.
Whoa. That does sound like a pretty serious problem. Are you saying that it shifts / slides from where you place it OR is it that it self adjusts in a way that you don't like?
@@caseychute3687 Yes, it shifts it own from just seating anywhere from 15-30 minutes and I only weight 170lbs. To me this is a serious fault because I like to have the lumber at the very top, I could have a 3D print holder to keep it from sliding around but Why would you have to do this consider this is a $800 plus chair.
consider the fellowes lumbar --- 50 bux off amazon --- i havent USED it over time but i sat in a chair with one of them --- its a triangular style with straps .... you might be able to disable./remove the lumbar off the amia and see if the fellowes might be for you? no i have NO affiliateion with Fellowes OR amazon but I was impressed by the different style and the straps ....
The chair is probably defective or completely worn. There are grooves on the outside that catch support mechanism and keep it from sliding down
Unfortunately they don't sell Amia in my region so leap v2 it is. Been sitting on my wooden kitchen chair i got for $6 for 2 years now, heh.
Will you guys have an early look at the new steelcase karman?
Short listed to buy next -GK
hi i got a question, many reviews had said that the Lumbar support slides down after sitting 2 to 3 Hours is that true?
Would be a dealbreaker if thats the case
I sit in it everyday and haven’t had an issue with it like that -GK
@@btodtv on the amia? and thank you!
And how about the Please 2?
Steelcase Gesture or Leap? what would you recommend? Any thoughts after a long-term use?
Both hold up well long term. I still prefer the Leap -GK
I've had my amia for a year and didnt even know you could adjust the lumbar support like that.. wow
We learn something new everyday. Thanks for watching -GK
Still waiting for a Lamia...
How do you make them, have you found out?
Have you tried the lamia yet? How is it?
@@ExOhz honestly the time I spend sitting at a desk has greatly been reduced after I had a my first child. Never got around to making a lamia. I have a Leap V2 and the Wife ended up the the Amia. The Amia does have a more comfortable seat cushion and it fits her better.
@AtomicBleach I have hoped for a Lamia but I am unaware if it will ever be released. Will the Amia work for someone 6'5 300lb?
@@DeStroy109 they have the Lamia available right now. Or at least it was when I checked yesterday...
I unfortunately didn't have a chance to sit in the Amia but I did sit in the Leap and Gesture. I found the Leap hugged my body better than the Gesture. Do you feel this way with the Amia? If I can get the Leap for the same price as an Amia (new, not refurbished) would you recommend the Leap?
how tall and whats ur height
@@racksontheway659 5’8 160lbs
I've found a lot of reviews where people shorter than 5'9" enjoy the Amia way more than the Leap because the Amia seat is more comfortable but its dimensions are shorter than the Leap v2.
You mentioned that the seat of the Leap hugs one more, is that true of the backrest also, compared to the Amia?
Yes, definitely-GK
@@btodtv sounds like a good fit for me then! I feel the Leap hugs me a bit too much
@@btodtv thank you for your response! could you also tell me if the most upright back angle of the Amia is the same as the Leap?
answering my own post for anyone else with the same question - the back angle is virtually identical between the two.
Is there a difference of thickness between the seats?
Thanks
Would you say the Amia has better upper back support than the Leap because of how the LiveBack is designed? (I thought they both had that but you made it seem like the Amia is different.) I have upper back and shoulder pain. Thanks!
The Leap is offers better support for the back IMO. I love both chairs, but that is where the Leap really excels. Steelcase makes it confusing with their naming of the backs -Greg
@@btodtv thank you for making me more confident in my decision to order a Leap!
I got a leap recently. Im a bigger guy, and found that the hinges at the side for the back rest thats attached to the armrests would slightly touch my thighs, and the contour of the seat not... right per se. I plan on returning it but its unfortunate because i found the back support to be extremely good. what would you recommend as an alternative? im considering the gesture and the embody
You want a bigger chair. What are your stats? -GK
@@btodtv im 6'1 280-ish lbs. i wear jeans with a 40 waist and 30 inseam. i do notice that my body is kinda torso biased.
I think you should consider a bit bigger chair. I’d also measure yourself and get a better idea the width you need for your body type.
If you like the Leap, you might want to consider the Leap Plus. It sits a bit different, but it is really solid.
-GK
Same. I just got leap
@@DaBomb5309 isnt the gesture perfect for taller people?
6’0 feet 265 pds. Gesture or Leap Plus!? I can’t decide.
Leap Plus would be your safest best. I’d measure your current chair and verify width between arms and make sure you’re comfortable with sizing for gesture if you go that route.
-GK
Which one is better if i like to sit very upright?
I read somewhere on reddit that Amia is better if you sit very upright but I can't verify if it's true or not. I just know that Amia is "smaller"(15.50") seat depth than Leap V2(15.75") and thus sitting on the Amia might make you feel more upright.
I'm really glad you shared you oh-pinion
How do you guys feel about the Knead KC01?
I have never used that chair. Browsing their website, they seem to try to align their brand against the largest companies like Steelcase and Herman Miller. A quick look at their warranty and it’s not close. Looks to be more of a mid market product offering vs high end. Not impressed with the warranty details, but their stuff isn’t super expensive. Could be worth it if the chair is comfortable.
-GK
@@btodtv cool yeah, I’d be interested to see your review of it. The company just started late last year I believe and I can’t find any reviews online yet other than a few people here and there who have liked it.
Never heard of those, but the chair actually looks good, very interesting.
To start, I am 6'4 and 250lbs, I am using Aima for 2 years in office and home...For me, that chair is not big enough, too low to the ground and distance between armrest is also narrow, in fact, it's just too small for people like me. I don't like it so much so it made to order a titan XL which is worse in all the ways but big enough, so I am using it at home. I just want to suggest in the chair review, just let people know what's your reviewer and testers' body type as a reference, if I missed it, my sincere apology.
Thank you for the feedback as a tall user. I can definitely see the chair being borderline for fit the closer you get to the max suggested height for the Amia. For anyone concerned with fit issues, I would double check measurements and verify what you currently are comfortable in before making a final decision on a chair -GK
I am 5 10 or 11 and about 240 lbs --- i tried a SL Titan (not XL) --- it was a wonderfully sturdy chair --- the firmness and lack of good lumbar (for me) was the kicker ... the ONLY lumbar that fits those chairs (due to the wings) seems to be the omega cushion for the Titan proper ... I almost tried that during my negotiations with SL ... they were VERY accomodating and worked with me a long time trying to negotiate possible fixes and possible return --- i had worked it all out then sold the chair online to a local person for about what SL was willing to pay me (I lost about 50 bux on the chair) and they were willing to transfer my remaining warranty ...
what are your issues with the Titan XL --- dont keep it if its not for you?
the Titan was also killing my legs or my upper back.neck or both .... so i regretfully (it IS a very sturdy chair -- very nicely built etc ...) sold it ...
The AMia has also been recommended to me ---
Fellowes has a lumbar cushion (triangular) that i tried briefly --- it looks like a great bet for $50 --- off amazon ... for someone that might need that for lumbar ...
it might EVEN fit the Titan --- i just never found the cushion while i still had the SL ... my friend is a bit over 6' and i dont know if hes 200 ish or about that ... hes not a really big big guy but tall ... and he loves his SL Titan XL ... different chairs for different ppl and tastes ... wish u the best of luck with the XL ---
I just dont know what chair would be sturdier than the XL for a larger person ...
and if the amia size doesnt accomodate ...
@@kmm5684 Sorry to hear what you have been through for returning the Titan. Yes, it also killing me in the back...no lumber support at all, I want to return it but they ask me to work with UPS or Fedex which will ask 300ish to return it, I gave up since it's a bigger chair and also higher from the ground than Amia which is very important to me personally, Amia I think is 20"ish from the ground? which makes my leg feels not comfortable long time, for me ....because most of the vehicles has not enough leg rooms for me...or taller ppl, even the Jeep grand Cherokee I have, has not enough leg room.. my knees already exhausted everyday while driving ....So
I don't know which chair is sturdier since my $300 game chair broke after 2-3 years... I want to use the Titan but for that I need to buy a lumber pillow somewhere like from SL is another 80bucks...I tried Aeron in store last year and I really like it, but that time gaming version is on sale but it needs 8 weeks of lead time so I didn't get it, I will say try some thing in store if you can, I found the ones they sale in Micro center is not bad for $300 and they have a lumber pillow with it, hope you find the right chair for you.
@@btodtv
I think @BoweiLiu has a point in requesting you disclose the tester's/reviewer's height/weight stats, so viewers can make a more informed comparison. I can understand not wanting to disclose such personal information, and people can sort of guess by looking, AND yes buyers should also take the steps you recommend above. But why not give viewers more information with which to digest your recommendations? Respectfully, -Fawn ;+)
We’ve been talking about this a lot more in recent videos :) -GK
How does one go about refurbishing them?
Very carefully. We have a process video for our Leaps -GK
@@btodtv Is this something people should do on their own or should send to you guys? What is the process and cost to send to you guys?
@@johnjlopez you can buy a refirb from their website. I just ordered one
@@angrysnek4445 im saying i already have one and would like it refurbed.
I am really struggling between a Series 2 and an Amia.
That’s an easy choice. Amia :) -GK
@@btodtv Thank you for the decisive reply. BTW, your video quality and quantity of information is excellent; I must have watched dozens of videos while trying to decide and you guys absolutely blow everyone else away.
We appreciate the positive feedback, thank you so much! -GK
I do not know why all the reviewers are going PRO on that type of arm adjustments...
Ok, I know they are nicely and easily adjusted, but they are not that great when you hit them or pull them without knowing. They are not fixed... they should have a button to lock and adjust them when they are unlocked only. (Like there is one on the height. or have the same button...)
There is nothing "ERGONOMIC" in having arms that move when you do not want to move. EVERY steelcase I had, those arms gets loose. Sometimes I get suspicious about these reviews. :)
Maybe it's just me, or the fact that I need to be very precise at my desk. + on gaming is annoying too.
Because they are the best of the best ;)
They shouldn’t slide or move without some effort. If you put that much into them while sitting that they are moving, then this isn’t a good option for you. I’ve seen a lot of chairs, from the low to high end. Without question, these are some of the best.
They do make arms like you’re mentioning. They are much more cumbersome to use though. Might be a better fit for you. That’s the thing about chairs. It’s very subjective.
-GK
@@btodtv Wow! Thanks for the reply!
I didn't knew they are making these type of armrests. (probably because I am not from the US and I cannot customize them) I will search into it! Steelcase are manufacturing those?
They are moving when I am moving around the chair or when I need to plant my elbow right in the armrest for greater precision.
PS: I believe you saying that they are the best of the best! I liked the arms on Aeron better though, but aeron is not for me... I feel trapped between chairs, lol! :)
Thanks again for the reply!
You're welcome! Unfortunately, they wouldn't be available on the Steelcase line.
Did you purchase the Steelcase product new? Which chair is it? If you're using the armpads to move the chair around they will likely move on you. If you're just planting an elbow and leaning into it, they really shouldn't move too much unless the force is more sideways than downward.
I have seen them on quite a few gaming chair products. This type of armrest adjustment is also available on some Nightingale Products as well.
-GK
@Woot-Zee. I think you're using the chairs for what they weren't designed for. I was the same when I bought my first gaming chair and hated it because the armrests aren't long enough to reach where I used to rest my elbow while playing games and the armrest rotates easily when I put a little pressure on them. The more I used the chair the more I got used to what it can do and what it can't do.
I said it above(like 30 minutes ago); ergonomic chairs aren't made for comfort(plushness in the back, the seat and armrests). It's more like they're made to be sitting 1 way(the good posture) with few posture changes and the armrest are just straight "armrests". If you like do move your arms while they resting(ex: playing games) then your arms aren't resting anymore.
I gave up searching for an ergonomic chair that is as comfortable as my Lay-Z Boy. I finally understood that ergonomic is made for office work and the other things that we usually want from an ergonomic chair are not ergonomic at all. Those things are just for slouching. I'll buy a refurbish Leap V2 for work and a Lay-Z Boy whatever else...
@@alfaralph7710
Please do not compare these chairs with gaming chairs! :)
I actually need shorter armrests not longer. I needed to be closer to the desk not farther.
Never happened on my aeron, it was only present on Steelcase. Leap v2.
(I think you are on the wrong if you think the armrest in ergonomic chairs aren't made for comfort)
With backrest I can understand.
Later I confirmed with Steelcase that they were at fault after I tested a chair on their shop and compared to mine. They were TOO lose.
They replaced them.
I'm here because of how he says OH-pinions.
The Amia went up by like $200! That’s ridiculous
if you are looking to buy an office chair instead of a gaming chair and you are a controller player under the height of 5 10 i would recommend not getting this chair. the seat doesnt go low enough for your feet to be flat footed and for your knees to be at the height of the seat. if you lean forward with your elbows on your knees for support then you will feel like youre falling out of the chair or having to balance yourself making you lose focus on the game. currently switching back to my old $50 gaming chair because of this and wish i could return the amia. I did get the BTOD cylinder so maybe with the original could go lower but i doubt it
You may be able to get a foot rest that solves the issue with it not going low enough. But that is good to know.
Your chair's cylinder + casters are the problem. All original Leap v2(15.5" seat height) and Amia(16" seat height) go low enough for down to people 5'6" tall with your feet flat on the floor. Ahnestly is a famous TH-camr who reviewed the Leap v2 and Amia several times and he's 5'6" and he never had your problem. BTOD's website says that their Amia and Leap V2 seats are both 16" from ground level but you can customize your chair and you'll end up with a taller chair.
Is 250 for Amia a good deal?
If it is clean and functions I think so -Greg
@@btodtv yeah it's new
bro why'd you make this video, now I can't decide which one to get LOL
‘Daily driver’ 🤣
I bought one the SUCK, no padding. You buy them cause want to sit for hours, not jus 1/2 hour never buying another one.
Wow very cool paid kickback links lol. A 12 minute advertisement. That's next level.
Steelcase is better