D.I.Y. Cheap Curved Projector Screen- for the Flight Sim!
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- Welcome to The Warthog Project!
This video shows the basic construction and use of my curved projector screen.
The cost is shown- although I since realized i forgot to add the cost of the paint. Normal cheap white paint will do the job if you are on a tight budget, but for the Black Widow mix i described you will need add about $100.
I've been working on this A10C Warthog Cockpit for around five years now. About 95% was made by me at home in my garage!
All my plans, panel files, and 3D printing .stls are free for download at thewarthogproj...
I sometimes livestream on twitch- / thewarthogproject
Or check out my Instagram at- / thewarthogproject
FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS:
How much did this cost?
Answer is explained fully right here! - • What it Cost! - A10C W...
What Game/Sim is this?
Digital Combat Simulator World (A-10C Tank Killer II) - www.digitalcom...
Can I have a free copy of all your panel design files?
Yes you can! - thewarthogproj...
What software do you use to warp the projector image? Fly Elise-ng Immersive Diplay Pro - fly.elise-ng.n...
What software do you use to export the gauges on the main panel?
Helios - github.com/Hel...
What are your PC Spec?
Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Master, Intel i7-9700k OC to 5ghz, 32GB Corsair RAM, Gigabyte Aorus GTX1080ti Waterforce Extreme Edition, Samsung 920 EVO M.2 1TB SSD (OS and DCS), Samsung 860 QVO 2TB 2.5" SATA SSD (Storage), Two XSPC 360mm Radiators, EKWB Velocity CPU Waterblock, EK-RES X3 250mm with D5 water pump, Custom Hard Tubing, Lian Li PC-011 Dynamic Black Case. All RGB turned off!
Mate, I'm a simulator engineer by profession, 41 years in the job. My specialty is visual generation and display systems.
I have to say, this looks pretty fine to me. Crackin' job! Keep up the great work!
I have Been around a few to many years too. YOU would be blessed to have this guy working for you.
I know your "profession". NOT impressed!
And just like Boeing is learning... The Good Old Boy club will be the death nail in your coffin.
Its best you keep silent and stay in the shadow's.
@@walkaway6353 what the fuck are you saying
@@CesarZumarraga Just what is wrong with your comprehension. Just stick to flipping hamburger's. Grown ups are talking.
@@walkaway6353 Fuck off. That's exactly why you haven't found love yet and you never will.
@@walkaway6353 You are a Tosser, when you grow up a bit and rediscover this video on TH-cam in 5 years time, you will read back your comments and realise what an absolute fool you were back then.. You will be glad the delete button is still available to you.. or will it be?
Don’t know how I ended up here, but this is freaking awesome!!
Jim EC LOL! Me either ! , but this is one of the coolest things I’ve seen and I’m a pilot !
Damn you built all that whats the cost ? How did you learn to fly thats a complicated cockpit..you got skills so freaking cool
This. This is what the 12 year old in me wanted when I first played Falcon in the late eighties. Well done!
A-10 Cuba baby, I loved that game back in the day
You have made my childhood come to life. I'm so glad I found you. Money is tight but hopefully one day I can build something like this. So friggin awesome!
HIM: Honey, look at this awesome sim cockpit and display I built.
HER: Wow that is real nice... but I need to tell you something...
HIM: Oh what is that honey?
HER: We are pregnant this has got to go....Need the bedroom for the baby.
Stupid kids😠
no problem honey. Ill just live in this room and you and the baby can share:)
@@gregson99 A fighter pilot once said that his jet was like his wife... He loved the good qualities and great attributes and learned to live with the bad ones. ")
Haha that already happened- we moved to a bigger house!
AHHHaaa, ok... Have you found a new place for the wife and the baby yet?
2 THUMBS WAAAAAY UP!!! Seems not enough to call it outstanding! Being a real pilot in my younger days, the full peripheral 180° curved screen is not only awesome, but mandatory for a realistic immersion factor. At one time I had actually collected all of the front and rear cockpit components from scrapped F-4 Phantoms, including instrument panels, joystick, throttles, canopies, Martin-Baker ejection seats, rudder pedals and mounting structure, as well as all the left and right hand console panels. I sold most of my collection when I decided to become an expat back in 2004. I wish I had taken the time to 3D model all of the components as well as scan/photograph the components and panel faces to later make authentic reproductions for a flight sim like this one. Oh well.
truly amazing, astounding job, thanks for sharing
With the way the prices went for NVidia in the latter half of 2018, you might have been better off with a 1080 Ti just because of how cheap they were for a Ti card, but the 1080 is still a great card.
As for the frame rate drops, try reducing the ground clutter option. I noticed it was popping in late and saw your frames suffer soon after. Use late "Pop-In" (when ground clutter or objects suddenly appear in close proximity to the player) as an indicator that the GPU is somewhat struggling to keep up. If you have it setup so stuff rarely pops-in late like that, you should see far less frame rate drops than if it were.
the short throw projectors alone will set you back couple of thousand dollars :S
I can only have this in my dreams while asleep and even than my subconscious might negate that possibility.
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That was amazing. How quickly the eye is tricked into accepting you are at an angle in a turn, even just viewing it on a laptop screen.
Wow, you did a great job on the cheap. Looks like a million bucks! o7
Awesome Work!... can you make a Video on the software you use to warp the Desktop? and how to set up the projectors... which extra programs do you use?
Thx!
Fix for the screen door effect.
Step 1. Buy 2 4K projectors with the same aspect ratio specs as the others.
Step 2. Buy an RTX 2080ti (or 2)
Step 3. Have around 6,000 dollars to spend (should probably be step one but meh)
Step 4. No screen door effect but a hole in your wallet
Haha maybe on day if I win lotto!
Dude I will buy a plane instead
I'm not into simulator stuff. So why do I get this video recommended?
Really amazing what you can build nowdays : )
I love it.
But I do see a potential downside to this type of setup being that without TrackIR or the like, you can't see Behind or Above you.
i think that if you go this far you already have trackir
How did you made to fix the two screen in one? Which software you used?
To avoid the calibration time, reduce the registration error by mounting BOTH projectors on one piece of solid material that in turn is mounted to the roof. This ensures that any movement of the roof affects BOTH projectors the same, which may lead to the whole image moving on the curved screen but not any registration error between the two projectors. Use something that doesn't warp or change dimensions too much due to heat or moisture, just make sure it is more solid than the roof and that both projectors move together, then the mount onto the roof itself is of less concern.
This, but you could honestly just use 3/4"(20mm) plywood. Plywood is very stable, and the projectors would move the same amount regardless. MDF is fairly stable too, but not as strong as plywood.
@@nathanb3142 Plywood and MDF are both reasonable materials to use since you don't have fibers all aligned in one direction, and will expand/contract less than metals due to temperature. The whole point is just to make sure both projectors move together by mounting them first together and then secondary to the ceiling that obviously moves.
Good suggestion. I'll give it a go. It's also likely the bulk of my problem is coming from the cheap projector mounts as well, there is a lot of play in them no matter how hard I tighten them. I'm planning some custom made aluminium ones out now.
You should figure out a way to project 360° in all directions. Not sure how you’d get the sky but it would look pretty good once you’re done.
Spree Gaming I have two words for you. Virtual Reality
Sweet! It puts past promises of virtual worlds within reach today. Thank you. I do have questions. Lots actually, but I’ll be brief. Your computer: is everything run from the one computer? If yes, have you considered a slave(s) dedicated to the world display and/or a slave for the instruments panel? If so, what might you consider? Another question, please? Concerning this type display and motion cockpits; can the two work together or would the world view need move with the cockpit? Or would it be dependent on total amount of motion? i.e. one wouldn’t expect the range of motion in a race car cockpit as one may expect from flight cockpit. Yeah, I’m kind of a noob to this, but I still gotta ask. Thank you.
Ok, my turn. ;) That is one fantastic flight sim. Reminds me of the one in the movie, Project X. Nicely done! thanks for sharing. :)
Oh my god I can't keep watching this I'm so jelly I really really want something like this. Amazing job fella
have you considered building a frame from your screens to hold your projectors? i've seen your 270 degree video. stinkin' fantastic. keep up the stellar work!
This is top notch stuff mate. Very impressive. A legend is born. 👍
what you have done is fantastic! I want to build my own 'pit one day - if the missus allows me!
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So beautiful! Great Job and thanks for sharing.
Wow! What a truly amazing set up. Really well done!
Barf Bag REQUIRED! Fantastic... Living the Dream 😎😎😎 ❤It !!!!!!!!
Hi I had the same problem chasing FPS untill I tried the Matrox tripple head to go this removed the strain from my vedio card and gave me all the FPS I could ever need
Seriously, I need a cockpit like this for Gundam stuff... Idk what game I'd use it for, but it would still be fucking cool to have.
I love how you don't include the cost of the 2 1080p projectors when comparing to a screen
Just 150-250 bucks each , i have 3 of these : nl.aliexpress.com/item/4001143281233.html
And they are just great !
Awesome Video! I actually just got done building a screen modeled after yours and am now in the image calibration process. What software did you use and do you have any tips for the process?
Hi, I from Mexico, Can you Make Build Simulator Black Hawk UH-60 please? or the version Black Hawk S70i
Great job.
Would you be willing to make me one ? I would like to purchase it from you
No sorry it's just a hobby. I work full time so I don't have the free time to make and sell these!
This is outstanding, what's the radius of the curve? I've been looking at doing the same for my own SIM.
Same Question, if you can provide this info would be perfect thank you!
@@EagleEyeFilms I think I have figured it out. Working at the largest size of a single sheet. Here in Canada that's 48inchs tall. With 16:9 projector that's 85inchs wide for each 90° section, times 4 is 340inch circumstance. That makes a radius of 54inchs.
I'm going to build one for my P3D sim.. hopefully it works out as well.
@@AdventuresonTour Fantastic, thank you, very very much! I'll dive into it to check how it will render for our simulator project over here in Switzerland :D
My skin is literally turning green with envy over your sic A-10 Sim.
Superb job. I am going to do this for my racing sim rig.
Screen is cheap yeah? How about the projector?
projector is one thing, screen is another.. any other thing you want to complain about ? complainer..
@@rodrigomartinelli741 did you read a word that im complaining? Use your head and not your ego...
Amazing work, trying to pick my jaw from the floor. Can you please tell me what radius you were using for your screen, and also how tall is the screen. I'm building setup like this for me so want to have some reference. Thanks a lot!
Thanks! Its a 1.2 meter radius, 2.4 meters in diameter. The display area is 1.2 meters tall, raised 0.5 meters off the ground on legs.
Holy shit fucking!!!! That is beyond epic! Come over monday and make me one. Please :D
Maybe you should ask for calibration tech of this guy:
th-cam.com/video/XgrGjJUBF_I/w-d-xo.html
the FPS drop you have with more monitors is linked with the different framerates ... incredibly windows 10 cannot manage different refresh rates !
@Despiser Despised What the fuck??? You can blame MS even if Apple hasn't done it better.
Don’t black screens works better? Not saying they are but all those really nice screens that you can see without having the close the curtains seem to be black. Having never owned a projector I have zero clue about these things.
Amazing!!!
THE PROBLEM WITH ACM AND FLIGHT SIMS IS LOOKING UP AND TO BOTH SIDES WHEN YOU MOVE YOUR EYES OR HEAD..... IN REALITY AFTER THE MERGE, YOUR EYES ARE LOOKING ABOVE YOUR HEAD AND WAY TO THE SIDES MOST OF THE TIME!! (NOT DOWN A PIPE AS IN ALL PC SIMULATORS) SOLVE THAT PROBLEM AND YOU WILL BE RICH.!!
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This pit is just absolutely amazing. My question is when can we see the Mirage 2000c, F18c, F15c, and now the F14B room? If I could build a sim pit like this, I would have to have a 6 bedroom house with 1 bedroom for each. Just wish I was good at electronics. I could make the panels and stuff in CAD and 3D printing, but the electronics would end me.
Haha maybe when I win lotto. Get into it, the electronics is the easy bit! With DCS-BIOS and arduinos, if you can cut and paste code you can get them to working in DCS. Spend a few dollars on an arduino from China and have a go, you will get one led blinking as a master caution light and be hooked. In five years you will have your 6 bedroom simulator house haha!
Hi could you tell me how you align the 2 projectors together what software did you use and will this work with any projectors.
This is not meant to be a downer at all, but where did the rest of everything come from? Since I am a do it yourselfer, the screen looked like the easiest part of the whole thing. But still very cool.
What are the dimensions? What are considerations for building such for a 6feet space
Hello, I was looking through the thread and the vids but couldnt find the answer exactly, what footprint does the 180degree screen have ? (Diameter/Radius ?)
Hi there, is it possible to build a simulator similar for Microsoft flight simulator like an airliner 737 or a320?
Absolutely amazing!
So you basically built a sideways skateboard halfpipe!
I guess there is a slight brightness/colour difference between the monitors where they overlap. I suppose that's just variation of the projectors.
Yep. One of my projecters is actually a different model than the other (1080st v 1080st+). I'm still trying to iron out the calibration.
This would be great for Elite Dangerous.
you say 90 degrees but how you get size curve? or long each ribs is? what is the height of the screen? and Arc width ?
What are the projectors? I tried so hard to figure out what you are saying but I just cant match them up to anything I can find on the internet.
Hey Captain, where do you find all these buttons and switches ?
How did you get the HUD to display without the MFDs on the screen?
Invest in some blackout curtains. It will improve your amazing room immensely. Awesome work dude 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Paint the room flat black
That's ace mate is there anyway of doing it with one projector for sim racing doesn't have to be as big ?
But can it run Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020
are you using screens (or a large screen with a cover on top ?) for the analogue dials in the middle ?
The goal is to put this big simulator on a 6dof motion platform
For games, white screen is best imo. Silver is for movies.
How much does the screen weight after completion?
Ta,, I am building my own flight sim in the garage , my aircraft is the BD5-J (X-Plane11), have you built your 270 deg screen yet, and installed your third projector. Would you please make a video of you doing the calibration from scratch. Cheers mate.Thanks as your quite inspirational. Also what is the radius of the curve you used, is it 1.2 M?
I have a quest 2 ..it has zero screen door 🤷♂️ ..as much as I like the build..im guessing by now, you've made the switch to VR
Lol, have you seen his cockpit... why (and how) would he switch to VR 🤣
Who sells all the cock pit instruments for that kind of set-up?
Is there a free or cheaper alternative to Fly Elise-ng software?
Why why why? You have gone to all this hassle, and a wonderful excellent job you have done. However, why not hide the plugs from the actual view, why not hide the computer, it really makes me sad when I see someone who has done a brilliant job, but they do not do the basics, you could have had the stand go all the way to the floor and it would have hidden the plug sockets, you could mount the PC behind the actual frame tidy up the whole thing. Cable management and having a tidy set up is just as important as the project itself.
I'm guessing that with the way he is sitting, none of what you mention are visible...
This would be fun for iracing..... better than triples for certain.
Even considering the loss in picture quality, the immersion experience would make up for the difference. Easy trade.
This is awesome! I've watched this and your upgrade to triple projectors more than a dozen times and you've inspired me to attempt to replicate your build. My dedicated flight sim room is 2.52 meters wide and figure i can max the 180 degree screen to a diameter of 2.4 meters.
May I know what's the diameter of your screen build?
Also, I got that it's 50 cm off the ground. How tall is the actual screen?
How big are you projecting each projector at? Approximately 100 inches each then Fly Elise does the warping?
Will be flying mainly a Cessna 172 on this but I figure to eventually add a 737 and F18 cockpit sometime in this lifetime. Exciting times we live in indeed!!!
Have you tried VR?
Incredible screen. Thanks for posting it. Can I please ask what are the dimensions of each 90 degree panel? And what was the cost of the software to run it? I have just acquired 2 identical projectors and hope to build something similar. They are 16:10 ratio so I'm assuming it's best built to that scale?
And help with that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
I'm using my Oculus quest running Assetto Corsa and Dirt Rally and the VR is awesome. I've considered the projector you are using (just 1) on a smaller curved screen for a higher quality image. How do those projectors run when the computer is not stressing out.
Hi. How many pc's do you need? Can you write what simulator is running and pc's specifications?
Thanks and I am in love with your project!!!!
It's all run by a single PC. I'm using a Gigabyte Aorus Master MB, 9700k OC to 5ghz, 32gb Ram, 1tb M2 SSD and a 1080ti.
Truly bad-ass.
While I am innately partial to real screens (like this), I do have to ask, why not VR? While your dual projector setup is awesome and a lot cheaper than a single LCD, I have to imagine it's more expensive than a decent VR head-set. And you'd get the same amount of immersiveness, plus the benefit of seeing the craft structure around you too (which could only enhance the sense of being in it)
What is your distance from the screen? (The radius of your curve) I am looking at doing what you have done, but I haven't found where you have specified your radius. Is the 2.4m distance that you mention your diameter of the curve?
I love the looks of your screen. It's AWESOME and so is your cockpit.. Want to build one someday. My cockpit is/ and will be somewhat simplified compared to yours.
To many buttons and switches. I have no electrical knowledge. I want to hop in and fly. I DON'T plan to fly the real jet ever. I just want to have fun.
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This is awesome! Great job! Maybe you could show a little bit of the details of the cockpit and how its made in another video? :)
Check my channel!
Any reason you didnt go for 2x 4k? (and 3x 4k later on) or just moneys? Rather have a higher resolution at lower fidelity. Im running 10320 x 1440 for a racing rig, works fine even at 100hz with a 2080ti.
I know you’re all for saving money but maybe $3K usd (I’m in US) or so for computer with 2080ti to properly run this beast you’ve created.
how much your plane hardware cost??
I remember my childhood, those 180° cinemas were the show FPS movies recorded in cars, airplanes and rollercoasters. Its only a brain trick, but you can feel the acceleration and g-powers a little bit. Sometimes the people start to tumble or have to sit down because it was so realistic. How is that effect in you flight-sim? Did it trick you brain too so that you can feel the flight movements in your guts?
Have you used TrackIR with it? So you can look back.
This is something I was wondering too!
That's an amazing setup. Thanks for sharing the detail behind its construction. Brilliant.
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How much did you spend on the cockpit!? That thing is insane 😂
th-cam.com/video/gDy10Wy4vw4/w-d-xo.html
"Pretty Cool" - that's an understatement! F^2 Cool!
100usd 3 yrs ago probly 280 usd now days lol
Great job, this is amazing, i´m very cool an happy, thanks man and this structure is fabolus for my 737 visual.
moe day I want a sim pit like this for multiple games so i wouldent build a replica A-10, but mabie design my own cockpit that could work for all aircraft and space games too.
Really nice setup. Which version of Fly-Elise are you using?
Relay cool i did a similar thing just for Desktop size (1.5 meter width) - worked perfect :)
Do you have any problems with sharpens along the screen ?
The only sharpness issue I get is in the very lower corners, and it's only noticeable when I'm on the desktop, not in DCS.
@@thewarthogproject And what about the middle blend point ?
basically If you have a curvature you had to set focal point somewhere and it cant be perfect along the whole arc
You would need a special custom lens for taht
@@pwilkutowski not sure what you mean. The projectors are outputting two matching images that overlap in the middle. As long as they both line up everything is fine and I have no problems with sharpness at all in the centre.
I can remember back in the early 80s playing Microprose F15 Strike Eagle on my 12" portable TV with my Commodore 64 using an Atari style single stick single button controller. I consider myself privileged to have lived and witnessed the amazing advances in computer gaming/sims. These are wonderful times that we live in.
"Anyway, that's all I've got today"... WOW!!! That's ALL!!
I was also thinking about something along the lines of beam projectors and curved screen for the hornet. However I am discouraged by the lack of vertical view angle (e.g. look upwards) for turn fights and I didn't noticed that DCS supported decoupling the HMD targeting from the main game camera to allow HMD targeting independent from the front view :(
The screen is very impressive and definately has wow factor, but for combat it's not enough of a view. I do have snap views on the trim hat on the stick for looking up and over my shoulder in the Hog which works OK. I've got Track IR working now, with the pause and centre buttons activated by the paddle on the stick. Still tweaking the profile, but I'm having success so far. I'll post some more videos flying the Hornet, harrier and eventually the Tomcat in it in the future. Some cool panel add-ons coming for different airframes as well!
@@thewarthogproject , well you pointed me to the fly-elise guys, I might ping them if they have recommendations or experience warping the beamer output setup to build a full dome (e.g. 180deg horizontal, and 0-90 vertical, search "Polar Simulation Dome Projection" on youtube for the rough idea as you can see a beamer on the top of that video). Constructing the dome might be doable with plywood frame and filling it with medical gypsum.
Or then again the cheapest DIY approach might be a transparent single beamer in reverse/inverte dome (when beamer is on oposite side of the dome and the dome is semi transparent fabric) like here th-cam.com/video/j3r9tECG7ZA/w-d-xo.html
I'd bet someone who flew real one would be really impressed. The quality and your skills. Tell us more about your bio. I find talented peeps like you very interesting. I don't fly recently checking out these home built Sims very interesting and cool.
The Built is amazing and simulator games like to have high clock speed CPU like 6 core and 3.9ghz Intel xeon W if you get more cash to burn a Intel core i9