On The Run Is The Newest EV Fast Charger Network In Canada
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ธ.ค. 2022
- On The Run Is The Newest EV Fast Charger Network in Canada
A while ago I heard news that there will be new EV fast chargers being built next to Chevron gas station locations across British Columbia and Alberta in Canada. I quickly downloaded the Journie Rewards application and saw that a few EV fast charging On The Run locations are already online close to where I live (and, for a limited time, are free to use). If you drive an electric car, this is great news. Finally, electric vehicle owners are able to utilize one more EV fast charging network.
This is a first look at the new On The Run 150kW CCS EV fast chargers (100kW if connected via CHAdeMO) and I have to say that I am presently surprised how well they work (while charging my Kia Soul EV Limited). The hardware is new and updated and the locations next to Chevron gas stations makes them very convenient. However, I will reserve my judgement once they are fully operational and I get to try one out by being a paying customer.
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With all these new EV fast charging companies hitting the market, what is one function that you would like to see implemented right at the charger? For me it would be a functioning credit card payment terminal (this is one function available on some, but never works as intended). Another would be plug and charge. Let me know your ideas in the comments below.
plug and charge will be great! in any case, i would prefer having this level of aggressive EV infrastructure expansion and hopefully, proper maintenance. Chevron is building 50 of these chargers in BC and Alberta.
Plug and charge as well as reliability are at the top of my list for sure. Hope Chevron does it right and makes sure these chargers work as they are supposed to.
Plug and charge would be obviously choice 1, but having a proper credit/debit card reader on the charger is also a simple idea. Just make it work like gasoline pumps. The Universal key to pay is Mastercard/Visa.
I'd like them to be covered from sun, rain and snow
That is very true. They seem to have no problem making credit card payments work on gas pumps, but somehow it’s hard to do the same on EV chargers. Hopefully Chevron will provide card payment options and not force people to use their app.
Hey, freewire is a very unique charger with some interesting limitations.
When you showed the nameplate it showed its powered by 3 phase 208v at 80Amps.
This means its NOT connected to the grid with a high power connection, just a regular amount.
The way it works is it had a 150kwh internal battery it uses to charge cars.
Advantage is it cost them much less to install, but downside is if 2-3 cars use it right after another, the battery is depleted and it'll just charge at the 20kw only.
I think it's unfortunate that there is absolutely no indication of how much battery is left before it slows down.
Thanks for all the info! Been checking the FreeWire website since I did the video and like you say these chargers are interesting but have very unique quirks. The biggest downside is the fact that once the internal battery is depleted, like you wrote, then the chargers will switch to a much slower charging speed. I will have to do a bit more testing during peak times one they are fully online to see if this will become a problem. Imagine pulling up as the 3rd or 4th consecutive car and only be able to charge at 20kW if even that…it would be disappointing and very expensive if they charge by the minute (which they most likely will since this is Canada). Will definitely revisit this location for further testing.
160kWh to be exact, but it can charge much more than 2-3 cars. We commonly see 10 - 15 cars per day without charging speeds being impacted. There are a number of factors that go into this, but an important one is the charging curve of the vehicle. Remember that power drops as the SOC of the vehicle gets higher, so the delta between input power (to the charger) and output power (to the vehicle) gets progressively smaller...
A working and/or reliable credit card terminal would be great to see implemented.
Exactly. I don't understand why they haven't done that. Fucking around with those apps is ridiculous.
This seems like great news for drivers in BC and AB! In Ontario, Petro Canada and Shell are so far the only gas station chains with EV chargers, and the Ivy Network have their chargers at ONroute as well as right next to some gas stations though not officially partnered/connected to each other.
Competition is always great. My only worry is the unique characteristic of these chargers which I will highlight in a future video. Have you tried the Shell chargers in Ontario? The ones we have here in BC unfortunately don’t work as advertised and more often than not are offline.
@@LeftCoastEV I haven't had any issues with the Shell chargers I've used here, though it's only been a handful of times. I've found no charging network entirely reliable, but out of the ones in Ontario and Level 3 chargers specifically, Ivy seems best at the moment IMHO.
Good to know Shell can be reliable. I’m guessing the station here has faulty ABB chargers. I’ve heard good things about Ivy and will have to try them on my next trip out east. Here in BC the most reliable network is Electrify Canada when it comes to DC fast charging. BC Hydro has very reliable 50kW. FLO is ok too. Everything else is hit and miss. I’m hoping that these new On The Run chargers will work as advertised, but only time will tell.
I used these fairly frequently on Vancouver Island over the summer when I was travelling for work a lot - they started out great but the last few attempts have been failures. The chargers always seem to be in power conservation mode and only offer 6-8kW because the batteries are depleted. I feel like they're victims of their own success as in some places the only other option for 100km is an expensive 50kW BCHydro station. Once the rest of the infrastructure catches up they'll be good options (as long as they don't charge by the minute when they're in PC mode).
I reached out to Parkland Corporation (who are responsible for these chargers) and they said they won’t bill people until they can do so by the kWh and not time. Since I’ve been away from BC now for a few months, not sure what the situation is and if they are still free or not. And I totally agree, they started off great but the last few times I use them these chargers were always in power conservation mode.
@@LeftCoastEV The fact that they'll remain free for the foreseeable future is reassuring.
Now that Shevron is in the game, this should really boost some competition form Shell and other gas stations.
Let's hope Chevron delivers a solid product once they go live and it becomes a paid network. I would have them going the route of Shell and Petro Canada.
Don't forget the free coffee Chevron gives you to charge.
I also got one free Juicy Fruit and one free Mars bar for downloading the app that starts the charging session.
Just wondering since I have exactly the same car as you. What OBD2 dongle did you plug into your car and what app are you running. Thanks For the vids always informative.
I use the OBDLink LX together with the Car Scanner app. I use an Android phone as the connection seems to be more stable than iPhone but the app works on both. Glad you like the videos!
@@LeftCoastEV thanks for the info. Might have to get an old android phone just for that.
I got an old Android phone from Facebook Marketplace for $100 Canadian Dollars and it works perfectly as a car monitoring tool. Well worth the investment.
Quick question, im visiting vancouver next month, rented an EV, was wondering if i can pay these charging station with cash/credit card? Im just concern that i have to register an app, which require local ID or adress and such.
The only charging operators that take credit cards are Electrify Canada and Petro Canada. But the terminals are hit and miss. Best would be to download and sign up to the apps before going as this will ensure you will be able to charge. I would say download the BC Hydro one (you can also use it on Flo and ChargePoint chargers) as well as the Journie app if you want to try the On The Run chargers. Apart from that Electrify Canada is good if you will do road trips to Whistler or into the Rocky Mountains along highway 1. Hope this helps!
@@LeftCoastEV noted, thank you so much!
Cool, cool. Though I'm tired of apps for every different charging station I may go to. I shouldn't have to give you my name, address, email, and CC number just to charge my car. They should just take CC's like a regular gas station.
My thoughts exactly. Charging there is free for now, but I heard that they will be installing card payment terminals on these chargers once we need to start paying for a charge.
Which app? I can't find it in play store.
Just search for the following: Car Scanner ELM OBD2. There is only one app. Icon is a white engine on a blue background.
It says 150 kW maximum x2. Is that 75 kW if two cars are plugged in?
Based on the wording I would assume each car would get 150kW. I will do a deeper dive with two cars charging at once when the site is fully operational.
Just checked the FreeWire website (manufacturer of the hardware) and it says that their Boost 150 chargers can change two cars up to 75kW each. If you want 150kW then it’s only available if one car is charging. But I will test it out in the real world once the location is fully operational.
@@LeftCoastEV That's right, it's 150kW on one port, or 75kW each if 2 cars are connected. And it's dynamic, so if a vehicle charging at a high kW drops below 75kW during its charging session, the second port becomes available.
it says 150kw, but after few min it will drop to 18kw, if share with another car ,the 18kw will separate
nice,,, kinda low volts,, most new ones are 800 volts and 350 kw
You need a cell phone to charge at one of these charging stations?
Either a cell phone with their app installed or ask the station attendant to turn it on for you.
@@LeftCoastEV Thank you
It looks overly complicated and will break down as peer every other charger lol and yes that one is not working every well lol
It is more complicated than other chargers and this might be why reliability is lower.
Your video is great but I'm never going to buy EV What a waste of time. What do you do if 2 or more people waiting in the cold 40 min to fully charge 😢
I appreciate your input. This is the thought that is shared by many people and one of the reasons I started this channel. Electric cars are still at their infancy and will only improve in the coming years. Sure, it takes about 30 minutes for most vehicles to charge from around 10% to 80%, but please remember that most of the time this happens on road trip and is not a daily occurrence for most. Those who have at home charging can top off their EV to 100% overnight. Then they will have a few days before they need to do it again (of course this is based on the distance they need to travel). But fast charging, and waiting for 30 minutes, is only necessary during road trips. But after driving 300km (or about 200 miles), most people need to stop for a toilet break anyway (plus maybe get some drinks or food while stopped). While doing all these activities you can top off your car and then continue to the next charging location. A Tesla can charge to 50% in just a few minutes, other EVs have the same capability. So you are not always waiting. If you have some time watch my Tesla Model Y road trip videos and you will see that we never waited long to charge. Thanks for your input!
what is the point od slow chargers crazy world Go Tesla Go
Of course. This is why everyone (well, almost everyone) is switching to the Tesla NACS for their future vehicles.
This station shit the bed. 2/3 ccs broken, 1 charge ok for 10 min then drop to 16kw
Yes, they are not very reliable. Thanks for your input!
Lmao when will ppl stop saying -5 is cold. Enough already
Where I live in British Columbia -5 is very cold, but I appreciate your feedback!
on the run station is garbage， it wqill drop to 18kw after few min.
just used the one in burnaby, didnt even download the app, it said see site attendent like yours but they were able to just turn it on for me. $0.00
by the way this was on a 2023 lightning. 110 kw delivered till 80%, when I left
Nice! Thanks for the update. That’s pretty decent charging speed.