This makes me want to see the real Tyr and Atreus meet eventually if Kratos, Tyr and Mimir have to go on a rescue mission to save him and Atreus can finally meet the god he looks up too plus I would love to see the look on his face when he learns that Tyr and Kratos had a sparring match and he missed it.
Also after kratos and brok leave sindri’s house to make the draupnir spear, they cant use the portal right away. Brok fixes it and curses odin for limiting their travel. Makes sense cuz Tyr is there and he doesnt want heimdall killed
Hyped to watch! Just to say something though for my interpretation of something, when odin was comforting atreus in asgard after freeing garm, the next time we see him(tyr) he is belittling atreus with freya and mimir, I think he was expecting kratos to also belittle him(judging from his interactions with atreus before) so that it’d put odin in an EVEN better light, but ultimately kratos wanted to not do atreus wrong again.
He also thought that to kill Kratos after he saw the prophecy at Alfheim. Though in a matter of seconds he changed his mind because he needed Loki and the rift-mask was more important to him than ragnarok. You can see that he was thinking about this while he held blade of chaos in Alfheim.
Good thing he didn't try to kill Kratos, or else Odin would have been folded before the end of the game and lost his staff too, which, since Kratos would have it, would make it his new weapon.
@@_Promised_No!! What we keep forgetting is Kratos has been to War with so many Gods he isn’t moved by Odin’s manipulation. Every time Odin as Tyr was trying to manipulate Kratos he would never fall for it. Kratos has seen all of this before. He has been Manipulated by all the God’s when he was in Greece. So this doesn’t surprise or move Kratos!!
Odin could have achieved much more but three things happened: his journey with Angrboda in Jotunheim as you touched on it, his father helping and understanding the Garm situation ending with promise in Helheim ane Broks death. Without these that boy would definitely see into the rift.
When that game released and I saw the criticisms I told my friend one thing That this game would age very very very well particularly its story Because it’s filled with subtext that can only truly be explored by looking at it more carefully
Blending humour smartly into info dumping is an art and you're a master it, espacially the monotone deliveries. It's the type of narration that makes people interested in things they don't initially care about (Me when lore). So yeah, you're good🗿
Appreciate it, as always lol. But genuinely, if you don’t care about the topic, you really don’t have to watch. Don’t torture yourself with fictional nonsense lol
@@MidChronicler nah, one must get out of his own comfort zone here and there, which for me is gameplay and music, it's nice to expand your horizons, but it's hard to get into it when you're not particularly interested in it. That's when guys like you come in, making things idc about interesting is the first step to open up to new stuff !
@@CurayziDante I get it man, I’m similar. All this challenge run stuff Zesty and yourself do made me interested to actually git gud and challenge myself combat-wise. I’m glad I can be of help lol
Wanna know a good clue that the tyr we interacted with for most of the game was fake? Brok at one point mentions tyr cooks with vegtables. Why is this so important? Because no one can get to Jotenheim easily, Alfheim is desolate and in a giant war, Swartelheim is too corrupted to grow their own food and got their food from odin. Niefelheim, midgard, and Helheim are too cold to grow crops by this point, Musphelheim. Is too hot and unfit climate to grow food, Vanaheim was hard to get to for a while and the plants are either too dangerous or hard to come by. Which leaves only Asgard. No one is supposed to have acess except odin and anyone he allies with to take them to asgard. So that was a clue that this individual is hiding important things in plain sight.
You know I think while Odin disguising as Tyr was a trope and thinking it made sense for Odin's character and his own reasons I didn't really thought about it beyond that but this video did add more into that😁
a question speaking canonically. Why do you think Odin did not appear in Gow 2018? I know Magni and Modi didn't care, but why didn't he interfere with Kratos' actions? For example, if he tortured Mimir every day, why doesn't Kratos run into Odin on that mountain? Since Kratos returns about 3 more times, why didn't he appear after Baldur died? Why didn't you find it interesting to know that Kratos was freeing the Valkyries? Knowing how paranoid Odin is, it seems strange to me that in the 2018 game Odin doesn't do anything that you think he was doing? It is very rare and Odin can teleport from kingdom to kingdom very easily.
He did not need to do anything more than to track kratos in his journey to jotunheim so odin could get access to that realm, thats why he sent baldur, otherwise he did not need to intervene
I think you didn't mentioned one detail, but probably implied it. He also wanted through Tyr's behaviour and words to change Kratos' view on peace, that he knew he truly wanted. But Tyr pushed an idea of inactive and pacifistic peace - a perfect thing for a tyranny from the opposite side. He even started pushing it since the very beginning as Odin, with his offer to Kratos. This hypertrophied idea of peace from Tyr i think even influenced Kratos to some degree, because he was strafing to this ideology away from his trauma long before Odin showed up. And he was resisting action, i think doubting himself, up until the point the masks came off. Only after that he said reluctantly: "I will fight, for vengeance, because that's the only way i know, and we cannot be peaceful anymore". Only to finally fully realise short after, that being peaceful does not mean rejecting war at all, and say firmly and confidently: "I will fight, for justice, not for vengeance, to bring down the usurper's tyranny and bring peace on these lands, that is what being peaceful truly means". The fact that it took him so long to realise it, even though this whole real Týr's background was telling exactly that for about two games through lore pieces, i think tells us that fake Tyr actually did influenced Kratos' judgment, at the very least it helped keeping him in doubts for the time being.
I can't believe these videos get so little views, they are so interesting and well made We could almost say, they are top-Tyr level Sorry I couldn't resist
Odin has been disguised as Mimir the moment Freya brought him back to life, not just that we clearly saw Odin release Hungn after the last phase of the fight. Atreus literally says Hungin you made it out. Hungin means memory in Norse.
The plan that Odin had possibly created to use the mask already pulling at the end of the game can be deduced, unfortunately Brok was there, I suspect that they would simply travel to Asgard, near the place of the rift, he would let Freya and Freyr go look for Odin, without result because Tyr is Odin, they would only waste time, while Tyr, Kratos and Atreus go to the rift, convinces him to let Atreus use it and that's it, he would have won. He does not lose Loki's trust by killing anyone, he maintains his tyr disguise and achieves his greatest objective.
Great video, the writers did an amazing job with this character, portraying Odin as manipulative and smart through not only words, but also first-class meaningful action. I still can't believe he tricked everyone - skeptical and vigilant Kratos, smart and quick-witted Mimir, his ex-wife Freya, aware of "Týr is Odin" theory existing me (even in the end i was just "haha, Brok's being funny again" up until the moment he knocked the mask out of Tyr's hand). And the only person to sus him out was that one annoying dwarf who disliked him (and everyone else as well) just enough to be able to not only notice some weird pieces of his behaviour, but also to remember them and realise they're not welding together true. Shame this is such an underrated story arc, and it will forever be, because it either works only once for you, or doesn't work at all if you got spoiled. Noticing all the little details on the second playthrough is still fun, but the first one was just something else.
BRO could you not have given some spoiler warnings? I've not played Valhalla DLC yet and there was no way to know you were going to include bits of it in the vid 😥
Nah fam. In the first game we know that Odin is all knowing. And he still couldn’t stop anything. Instead of sending Thor, Vidar, Forsetti, he sends a couple of lesser Valkyries to stop Kratos and Atreus from making the dumb “Ragnarok beast”? Dumb AF! He could have went and killed Surtr too. He destroyed Ymir the first and largest giant. Should be a cakewalk for him. The games story was dumb.
Odin just wanted to spend some time with kratos and the others
This makes me want to see the real Tyr and Atreus meet eventually if Kratos, Tyr and Mimir have to go on a rescue mission to save him and Atreus can finally meet the god he looks up too plus I would love to see the look on his face when he learns that Tyr and Kratos had a sparring match and he missed it.
Also after kratos and brok leave sindri’s house to make the draupnir spear, they cant use the portal right away. Brok fixes it and curses odin for limiting their travel. Makes sense cuz Tyr is there and he doesnt want heimdall killed
Odin was wrong on so many levels to think he can break Tyr but in truth he can never break him
Hyped to watch! Just to say something though for my interpretation of something, when odin was comforting atreus in asgard after freeing garm, the next time we see him(tyr) he is belittling atreus with freya and mimir, I think he was expecting kratos to also belittle him(judging from his interactions with atreus before) so that it’d put odin in an EVEN better light, but ultimately kratos wanted to not do atreus wrong again.
Finished, great video.
You're my favourite gow video essayist❤ Wish we had more like you in the community, the right mix of insightful, creative, passionate and funny
Thank you, it means a lot!
"Because he is RACIST" had me cracking up. Another great video though chronicler
Thanks lol
He also thought that to kill Kratos after he saw the prophecy at Alfheim. Though in a matter of seconds he changed his mind because he needed Loki and the rift-mask was more important to him than ragnarok. You can see that he was thinking about this while he held blade of chaos in Alfheim.
Good thing he didn't try to kill Kratos, or else Odin would have been folded before the end of the game and lost his staff too, which, since Kratos would have it, would make it his new weapon.
@@Azeral7 odin is more powerful than kratos
@@_Promised_ Odin has a lot of bag of tricks...but none Kratos hasn't bashed its own skull in with.
@@_Promised_No!! What we keep forgetting is Kratos has been to War with so many Gods he isn’t moved by Odin’s manipulation. Every time Odin as Tyr was trying to manipulate Kratos he would never fall for it. Kratos has seen all of this before. He has been Manipulated by all the God’s when he was in Greece. So this doesn’t surprise or move Kratos!!
Odin could have achieved much more but three things happened: his journey with Angrboda in Jotunheim as you touched on it, his father helping and understanding the Garm situation ending with promise in Helheim ane Broks death. Without these that boy would definitely see into the rift.
When that game released and I saw the criticisms I told my friend one thing
That this game would age very very very well particularly its story
Because it’s filled with subtext that can only truly be explored by looking at it more carefully
An interesting perspective on Odin's plans through disguising himself as Týr.
It's a good day when the Midgard Chronicler uploads.
Blending humour smartly into info dumping is an art and you're a master it, espacially the monotone deliveries.
It's the type of narration that makes people interested in things they don't initially care about (Me when lore).
So yeah, you're good🗿
Appreciate it, as always lol. But genuinely, if you don’t care about the topic, you really don’t have to watch. Don’t torture yourself with fictional nonsense lol
@@MidChronicler nah, one must get out of his own comfort zone here and there, which for me is gameplay and music, it's nice to expand your horizons, but it's hard to get into it when you're not particularly interested in it.
That's when guys like you come in, making things idc about interesting is the first step to open up to new stuff !
@@CurayziDante I get it man, I’m similar. All this challenge run stuff Zesty and yourself do made me interested to actually git gud and challenge myself combat-wise. I’m glad I can be of help lol
Thumbnails need a Chronicler theme, so you can recognize them from afar.
Wanna know a good clue that the tyr we interacted with for most of the game was fake? Brok at one point mentions tyr cooks with vegtables. Why is this so important? Because no one can get to Jotenheim easily, Alfheim is desolate and in a giant war, Swartelheim is too corrupted to grow their own food and got their food from odin. Niefelheim, midgard, and Helheim are too cold to grow crops by this point, Musphelheim. Is too hot and unfit climate to grow food, Vanaheim was hard to get to for a while and the plants are either too dangerous or hard to come by. Which leaves only Asgard. No one is supposed to have acess except odin and anyone he allies with to take them to asgard. So that was a clue that this individual is hiding important things in plain sight.
Wow thats a really good point, never thought about that. Thanks
@@kennywickham13 no problem
Discovering that Tyr was actually Odin came as a big surprise to me.😮
Good explanation toh🔥
You know I think while Odin disguising as Tyr was a trope and thinking it made sense for Odin's character and his own reasons I didn't really thought about it beyond that but this video did add more into that😁
Midgard your videos are always very interesting & informative we are glad to have you in the gow community keep up the good work
Thanks man!
a question speaking canonically. Why do you think Odin did not appear in Gow 2018? I know Magni and Modi didn't care, but why didn't he interfere with Kratos' actions? For example, if he tortured Mimir every day, why doesn't Kratos run into Odin on that mountain? Since Kratos returns about 3 more times, why didn't he appear after Baldur died? Why didn't you find it interesting to know that Kratos was freeing the Valkyries? Knowing how paranoid Odin is, it seems strange to me that in the 2018 game Odin doesn't do anything that you think he was doing? It is very rare and Odin can teleport from kingdom to kingdom very easily.
He did not need to do anything more than to track kratos in his journey to jotunheim so odin could get access to that realm, thats why he sent baldur, otherwise he did not need to intervene
I think you didn't mentioned one detail, but probably implied it. He also wanted through Tyr's behaviour and words to change Kratos' view on peace, that he knew he truly wanted. But Tyr pushed an idea of inactive and pacifistic peace - a perfect thing for a tyranny from the opposite side. He even started pushing it since the very beginning as Odin, with his offer to Kratos. This hypertrophied idea of peace from Tyr i think even influenced Kratos to some degree, because he was strafing to this ideology away from his trauma long before Odin showed up. And he was resisting action, i think doubting himself, up until the point the masks came off. Only after that he said reluctantly: "I will fight, for vengeance, because that's the only way i know, and we cannot be peaceful anymore". Only to finally fully realise short after, that being peaceful does not mean rejecting war at all, and say firmly and confidently: "I will fight, for justice, not for vengeance, to bring down the usurper's tyranny and bring peace on these lands, that is what being peaceful truly means". The fact that it took him so long to realise it, even though this whole real Týr's background was telling exactly that for about two games through lore pieces, i think tells us that fake Tyr actually did influenced Kratos' judgment, at the very least it helped keeping him in doubts for the time being.
Rocking the Sol’s Pauldron Of Courage I see..obviously the best shoulder armor piece in the game.
I can't believe these videos get so little views, they are so interesting and well made
We could almost say, they are top-Tyr level
Sorry I couldn't resist
Odin has been disguised as Mimir the moment Freya brought him back to life, not just that we clearly saw Odin release Hungn after the last phase of the fight. Atreus literally says Hungin you made it out. Hungin means memory in Norse.
Uh oh a cookin with Kratos fan over here with their bullshit again.
What?
"because he is RACIST!!!" is so random...yet hilarious at the same time. GREAT VID!!!
Odin is a smart bastard, great video.
The plan that Odin had possibly created to use the mask already pulling at the end of the game can be deduced, unfortunately Brok was there, I suspect that they would simply travel to Asgard, near the place of the rift, he would let Freya and Freyr go look for Odin, without result because Tyr is Odin, they would only waste time, while Tyr, Kratos and Atreus go to the rift, convinces him to let Atreus use it and that's it, he would have won. He does not lose Loki's trust by killing anyone, he maintains his tyr disguise and achieves his greatest objective.
9:07 lol
The best explanation of ragnarok🔥
Best god of war TH-camr with another banger 🔥🔥👌🏾👌🏾
Great video, the writers did an amazing job with this character, portraying Odin as manipulative and smart through not only words, but also first-class meaningful action. I still can't believe he tricked everyone - skeptical and vigilant Kratos, smart and quick-witted Mimir, his ex-wife Freya, aware of "Týr is Odin" theory existing me (even in the end i was just "haha, Brok's being funny again" up until the moment he knocked the mask out of Tyr's hand). And the only person to sus him out was that one annoying dwarf who disliked him (and everyone else as well) just enough to be able to not only notice some weird pieces of his behaviour, but also to remember them and realise they're not welding together true.
Shame this is such an underrated story arc, and it will forever be, because it either works only once for you, or doesn't work at all if you got spoiled. Noticing all the little details on the second playthrough is still fun, but the first one was just something else.
Odin is a good villain. Wonder why most people hate him
A properly written villian is suppose to be hated.
@@Joseph-nx5gv yeah but they hate him as a character they say his rushed or not a good adaptation of him
@@lightmohamed5700 ah well, cant please everybody lol
@@Joseph-nx5gv hmm I see
It was to smell Freya’s farts
We all know that have played it lol
Very interesting
BRO could you not have given some spoiler warnings? I've not played Valhalla DLC yet and there was no way to know you were going to include bits of it in the vid 😥
a damn shame they wasted the character in ragnorok
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Nah fam. In the first game we know that Odin is all knowing. And he still couldn’t stop anything. Instead of sending Thor, Vidar, Forsetti, he sends a couple of lesser Valkyries to stop Kratos and Atreus from making the dumb “Ragnarok beast”? Dumb AF! He could have went and killed Surtr too. He destroyed Ymir the first and largest giant. Should be a cakewalk for him. The games story was dumb.
Odin was a waste of time and the worst villain in GOW history