Thanks, Louise, I can't really take any credit for the grapefruit as it already had the fruit on when I got it lol 😂 I'm not sure if it will fit in the greenhouse at the moment as I put a number of other plants in that were struggling outside in the cool damp weather lol.
I really enjoy your Citrus updates, Peter. Thanks for sharing. Foliar feeding is a great way to to quickly get additional nutients to a plant. Citrus Center recommend this. You can foliar feed with your regular Citrus ferts. I have done this with good effect.
Thanks! Yeah, I will definitely give this a go 👍 I'll have to wait until the chance of rain goes I'm guessing as I wouldn't want it to wash it all off lol 😂
Sure enough.... I have a copy of a book written after 1800 from California by a Citrus scientist & he says nearly all citrus will need a good dose of zink sometime in their lives! It is amazing to see a chlorotic tree turn green when it absobes zink and manganese as a foliar feed....... chellated in both cases of course. It says iot's better to be there in the soil though. I have found that in cold climates it the citrus root that does not like the cold at all and is not able to take the necessary nutrients up into the foliage. because the energy is expensive I see we ought to be using some other methods to keep our citrus feet warm?
OMG you MUST be CRAZY trying that one in the ground Peter 😅😅. Haha kidding, its worth a go as you have plenty to experiment with 👍 Your citrus collection has grown exponentially, you probably got enough oranges now to legitimately call your garden a grove 😉. I also have a lot of citrus with yellowing leaves like your or leaf loss, its been unpleasantly cold for this part of July, all my outside tropicals have completely stalled. I may have to 'tweak' my citrus mixes further as I'm not sure 511 is working in our non Californian climate 🤔
Lol, yeah I certainly don't (currently) have enough space to overwinter them all in the greenhouse, so yeah thought experimenting with one might be quite fun. Definitely need to think about how I can protect them all this winter as I've more or less doubled the number of plants I had before lol. Yeah the 511, probably doesn't work so well here, unless you are growing in a greenhouse or polytunnel all year round so can control the water they get. Shame I have like 4 big bags of pine bark now, so I'm going to have to still use it up lol 😂. I'll probably try increasing the perlite amount further.
Nice to see you experimenting with your Clementine in ground! I have all my citrus in ground from last year and find that they’re much less hassle given the right spot compared to when they were in pots. They also never seem to yellow like how my potted ones used to in the winter. Wishing you the best of luck🙌🏾Nothing ventured nothing gained 🙏🏿
Thanks! Yeah, I thought I might as well take a risk with one tree. Wow, I'm not sure I'd feel confident enough to plant all mine in the ground just yet lol 😂. What protection did you give your in-ground citrus last winter?
@@PeterEntwistle Yeah everyone thought I was crazy even with me having them potted outside😂and ever crazier when I planted them in ground now I have all my family trying to do the same. Having them in ground has taken a lot of the watering issues, feeding issues etc which makes it more fun for me as every winter it would be frustrating to see my plants defoliate a little (not all the time) or even small things like the pot blowing over in high winds. In winter I set up a rough frame like setup with frost cloth and leave the top open for air circulation and cover the top if I feel like there will be a hard frost or if it’s around 0c/-1c. I have a seedling avocado in ground that I do the same with that I had out during a frost and it was fine in it’s location which is relatively frost free as it’s by an outbuilding. When there are spells above 4C/5c I remove the cloth completely. This past winter I had a gut feeling it would be harsh so used incandescent lights on the nights of -3c and under but the lights cut out (just my luck lol) on the 2 coldest nights. But the damage was minor thankfully. Only tip damage on my Ugli from contact with the frost cloth and a branch burnt from a plant that had its cloth damaged which exposed it to literally everything. I did lose one plant I was experimenting with in a colder spot without heat. It was a grafted lime under frost cloth but funnily enough I had a small key lime cutting in ground next to it without heat and it wasn’t phased by the freeze at all strangely loool!
@@louiscarberry3138 Sorry it took so long to find this comment, TH-cam had hidden it from me lol 😂. Haha, yeah I would never have dreamed of leaving my citrus outside a few years ago, even in summer in a pot. There's so much misinformation out there, most sources say that citrus can't survive below +5°C let alone a light frost. Last year was the first winter I left my citrus outside, albeit in a temporary greenhouse, but even though we had the coldest temperatures for years, I had far fewer issues overall. Ok, a couple did get some cold damage, but most made it with no damage at all. Usually, when I had citrus indoors I would have endless issues with pests like scale and spider mites as well as them completely defoliating, but I didn't have any pest issues at all and the leaf drop was very minimal. I must admit I haven't fully thought about how I would protect the clementine in the ground yet, but building a frame and covering it with frost cloth sounds like a good idea! I have seen how the millennial gardener uses incandescent Christmas lights too, but they are quite hard to find now, everywhere only seems to sell LED lights now. I might be able to find some at my parent's house, I'm sure they will have some in their attic somewhere lol 😂
So strange that this popped up now😂 There’s defo a lot of misinformation. I used to have my first few inside and in a porch as the nurseries told me to do this and they faired much better outside (and now even better in ground in my area and in the locations I planted them). As you said much less leaf drop if any. But that’s only my experience I think every experience has many different variables and different results it’s all about being observant. I think planting on mounds and slopes have really helped with the wet weather we can get. My soil never gets too soaked as it runs off down a slope so I don’t get root issues(so far at least). I always keep an eye out on the weather during the winter. Typically get a few nights at -3/-2c as a minimum in my garden (apart from last December which was cold!) and the rest of my minimums would be between 2/3c on a cold day (I won’t protect unless 1/2c lows with clear sky or subzero temps are predicted) with temps being 4/5c minimums typically and sometimes more this would be higher if we get a jet stream of warmer air in winter which we got earlier this year (my avocado even broke dormancy during end of Jan/Feb and started pushing growth despite the time of year). I got some lights from Amazon last year! I’ll link them to you. I don’t really turn them on or rely on them but got them as a precaution for the first few years in ground which was great for last December until my lights cut out 🙃Prior to last year I never even knew those lights existed and my citrus done well during the winters before in the frostiest locations, in pots with really shoddy frost cloth protection which pretty much left certain parts of the plants exposed and they only got minor tip damage.
It could be that the few citrus plants you are having issues with (nitrogen deficiency chlorosis in the case of the 'Lane's Late' and total defoliation in the case of the 'Star Ruby') have root dysfunction to some extent or another. Possibly a history of root rot. I'd recommend minimising the organic matter like bark, fine coir or compost, as this readily biodegradable material can promote fungal root rot under wet conditions. I use a bare minimum of peat and coconut husk chips. Peat decomposes very slowly compared to bark, compost and fine coir, as it was formed under the acidic conditions of a peat bog for many years. I am currently using: 4 parts coarse perlite, 2 parts medium-sized pumice (bought from Kiazen Bonsai), 1 part peat and 2 parts coconut husk chips. I find that regular sand is so heavy that it 'suffocates' the roots and clings onto too much water, due to the small size of the indvidual grains. The larger/coarser the particles, the faster the drainage. If the roots are not performing optimally, a foliar feed might be worth trying. Add a tiny amount of potassium-based soap to the foliatr feed solution (look for horticultural soap) to aid even wetting of the leaf surfaces. By the way: I am getting better results with diluted urine (and I emphasize: diluted) than I am with the Miracle Grow! Cheers for the update, Peter!
Yeah, I think a few of them probably are suffering from root issues including the Star Ruby grapefruit. I will have to try and get that repotted soon. Yeah, I think I will experiment with foliar feeding. Lol, I can imagine there would be plenty of nitrogen in urine, not sure what the ratio of other macronutrients would be, although I guess it would vary lol 😂
@@PeterEntwistle It contains nitrogen, phosphate, potassium, calcium, magnesium and sulphur. In addtion to micronutrients.I suppose that the actual amount of macro and micro nutrient it contains would depend on what you eat. I take a vitamin B complex, as well as iron, copper, selenium and zinc.......maybe these are partly responsible for the amazing results I am seeing?.
Chkorotic leaves need spraying regularly with Zink and manganese......... Citrus just do not like our UK climate as it affects the root that does not absorb the correct nutrients. When we used to look round the garden centres in Crete we were impressed by the fact that many Cirtus sat in 100 degs F .... Hundreds of them.
Yeah, our climate is not ideal for citrus lol. I also enjoy looking at the local garden centres while I'm on holiday, although it's quite frustrating to see a much better selection, but you know you can't bring any back with you haha 😂
Not many citrus enthusiasts know that you can indeed bring small potted citrus home I believe it was 4 , so long as there's no soil on the roots. I had to send for a Customs man with more education that the one that said =you can't bring those in.@@PeterEntwistle Sure enought the cahp looked ast them with the roots in wet tissue and waved us through =NO CHARGE either...... 10 years ago. None of those plants survived. Although I have a bitter orange in the ground outside 10 years that did survive from Crete but it must have been a seedling not a cutting from a flowering tree. No flowers as yet but sometime it may well flower maybee this spring, who knows? Almost all the rootstocks in Crete must be bitter orange. What a pleasure to walk about in Hania with many Citrus growing out of the pavements = free marmalade.
Lol, yeah too many really. I know other people got lucky and got other varieties, but I always end up getting the same one 😂. I think oranges will be quite difficult to get to ripen here so I think I'll stick to mandarins.
@@PeterEntwistle I think it gets its hardiness from the kumquat parentage and the satsuma parentage allows it to flower easier than a kumquat. I bought a plant from a supermarket back in Feb or march and it’s been growing and flowering since I got it. I think because the fruit are small as well we have a chance of them ripening, maybe?
Yeah, they take ages to develop, so definitely not holding much hope of them holding. A couple of the smallest ones that were on when I got it have already come off 😞
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Very nice collection of citrus. They are so fun to collect
Thanks, G! Yeah, I love how different they can all be . And yeah they are super fun to collect 😄
Lovely citrus collection Peter. Your grapefruit with those fruits looks fab. I would put it in your greenhouse to speed up the ripening process.
Thanks, Louise, I can't really take any credit for the grapefruit as it already had the fruit on when I got it lol 😂
I'm not sure if it will fit in the greenhouse at the moment as I put a number of other plants in that were struggling outside in the cool damp weather lol.
I really enjoy your Citrus updates, Peter. Thanks for sharing.
Foliar feeding is a great way to to quickly get additional nutients to a plant. Citrus Center recommend this. You can foliar feed with your regular Citrus ferts. I have done this with good effect.
Thanks! Yeah, I will definitely give this a go 👍
I'll have to wait until the chance of rain goes I'm guessing as I wouldn't want it to wash it all off lol 😂
Sure enough.... I have a copy of a book written after 1800 from California by a Citrus scientist & he says nearly all citrus will need a good dose of zink sometime in their lives! It is amazing to see a chlorotic tree turn green when it absobes zink and manganese as a foliar feed....... chellated in both cases of course. It says iot's better to be there in the soil though. I have found that in cold climates it the citrus root that does not like the cold at all and is not able to take the necessary nutrients up into the foliage. because the energy is expensive I see we ought to be using some other methods to keep our citrus feet warm?
OMG you MUST be CRAZY trying that one in the ground Peter 😅😅. Haha kidding, its worth a go as you have plenty to experiment with 👍
Your citrus collection has grown exponentially, you probably got enough oranges now to legitimately call your garden a grove 😉.
I also have a lot of citrus with yellowing leaves like your or leaf loss, its been unpleasantly cold for this part of July, all my outside tropicals have completely stalled. I may have to 'tweak' my citrus mixes further as I'm not sure 511 is working in our non Californian climate 🤔
Lol, yeah I certainly don't (currently) have enough space to overwinter them all in the greenhouse, so yeah thought experimenting with one might be quite fun. Definitely need to think about how I can protect them all this winter as I've more or less doubled the number of plants I had before lol.
Yeah the 511, probably doesn't work so well here, unless you are growing in a greenhouse or polytunnel all year round so can control the water they get. Shame I have like 4 big bags of pine bark now, so I'm going to have to still use it up lol 😂. I'll probably try increasing the perlite amount further.
Nice to see you experimenting with your Clementine in ground! I have all my citrus in ground from last year and find that they’re much less hassle given the right spot compared to when they were in pots. They also never seem to yellow like how my potted ones used to in the winter. Wishing you the best of luck🙌🏾Nothing ventured nothing gained 🙏🏿
Thanks! Yeah, I thought I might as well take a risk with one tree. Wow, I'm not sure I'd feel confident enough to plant all mine in the ground just yet lol 😂. What protection did you give your in-ground citrus last winter?
@@PeterEntwistle Yeah everyone thought I was crazy even with me having them potted outside😂and ever crazier when I planted them in ground now I have all my family trying to do the same. Having them in ground has taken a lot of the watering issues, feeding issues etc which makes it more fun for me as every winter it would be frustrating to see my plants defoliate a little (not all the time) or even small things like the pot blowing over in high winds.
In winter I set up a rough frame like setup with frost cloth and leave the top open for air circulation and cover the top if I feel like there will be a hard frost or if it’s around 0c/-1c. I have a seedling avocado in ground that I do the same with that I had out during a frost and it was fine in it’s location which is relatively frost free as it’s by an outbuilding. When there are spells above 4C/5c I remove the cloth completely. This past winter I had a gut feeling it would be harsh so used incandescent lights on the nights of -3c and under but the lights cut out (just my luck lol) on the 2 coldest nights. But the damage was minor thankfully. Only tip damage on my Ugli from contact with the frost cloth and a branch burnt from a plant that had its cloth damaged which exposed it to literally everything. I did lose one plant I was experimenting with in a colder spot without heat. It was a grafted lime under frost cloth but funnily enough I had a small key lime cutting in ground next to it without heat and it wasn’t phased by the freeze at all strangely loool!
@@louiscarberry3138 Sorry it took so long to find this comment, TH-cam had hidden it from me lol 😂. Haha, yeah I would never have dreamed of leaving my citrus outside a few years ago, even in summer in a pot. There's so much misinformation out there, most sources say that citrus can't survive below +5°C let alone a light frost.
Last year was the first winter I left my citrus outside, albeit in a temporary greenhouse, but even though we had the coldest temperatures for years, I had far fewer issues overall. Ok, a couple did get some cold damage, but most made it with no damage at all. Usually, when I had citrus indoors I would have endless issues with pests like scale and spider mites as well as them completely defoliating, but I didn't have any pest issues at all and the leaf drop was very minimal.
I must admit I haven't fully thought about how I would protect the clementine in the ground yet, but building a frame and covering it with frost cloth sounds like a good idea! I have seen how the millennial gardener uses incandescent Christmas lights too, but they are quite hard to find now, everywhere only seems to sell LED lights now. I might be able to find some at my parent's house, I'm sure they will have some in their attic somewhere lol 😂
So strange that this popped up now😂 There’s defo a lot of misinformation. I used to have my first few inside and in a porch as the nurseries told me to do this and they faired much better outside (and now even better in ground in my area and in the locations I planted them). As you said much less leaf drop if any. But that’s only my experience I think every experience has many different variables and different results it’s all about being observant. I think planting on mounds and slopes have really helped with the wet weather we can get. My soil never gets too soaked as it runs off down a slope so I don’t get root issues(so far at least). I always keep an eye out on the weather during the winter. Typically get a few nights at -3/-2c as a minimum in my garden (apart from last December which was cold!) and the rest of my minimums would be between 2/3c on a cold day (I won’t protect unless 1/2c lows with clear sky or subzero temps are predicted) with temps being 4/5c minimums typically and sometimes more this would be higher if we get a jet stream of warmer air in winter which we got earlier this year (my avocado even broke dormancy during end of Jan/Feb and started pushing growth despite the time of year).
I got some lights from Amazon last year! I’ll link them to you. I don’t really turn them on or rely on them but got them as a precaution for the first few years in ground which was great for last December until my lights cut out 🙃Prior to last year I never even knew those lights existed and my citrus done well during the winters before in the frostiest locations, in pots with really shoddy frost cloth protection which pretty much left certain parts of the plants exposed and they only got minor tip damage.
I would spray the leaves with diluted seaweed extract at evening time.
Thanks, I might give that a go 👍
It could be that the few citrus plants you are having issues with (nitrogen deficiency chlorosis in the case of the 'Lane's Late' and total defoliation in the case of the 'Star Ruby') have root dysfunction to some extent or another. Possibly a history of root rot.
I'd recommend minimising the organic matter like bark, fine coir or compost, as this readily biodegradable material can promote fungal root rot under wet conditions. I use a bare minimum of peat and coconut husk chips. Peat decomposes very slowly compared to bark, compost and fine coir, as it was formed under the acidic conditions of a peat bog for many years. I am currently using: 4 parts coarse perlite, 2 parts medium-sized pumice (bought from Kiazen Bonsai), 1 part peat and 2 parts coconut husk chips. I find that regular sand is so heavy that it 'suffocates' the roots and clings onto too much water, due to the small size of the indvidual grains. The larger/coarser the particles, the faster the drainage.
If the roots are not performing optimally, a foliar feed might be worth trying. Add a tiny amount of potassium-based soap to the foliatr feed solution (look for horticultural soap) to aid even wetting of the leaf surfaces.
By the way: I am getting better results with diluted urine (and I emphasize: diluted) than I am with the Miracle Grow!
Cheers for the update, Peter!
Yeah, I think a few of them probably are suffering from root issues including the Star Ruby grapefruit. I will have to try and get that repotted soon. Yeah, I think I will experiment with foliar feeding. Lol, I can imagine there would be plenty of nitrogen in urine, not sure what the ratio of other macronutrients would be, although I guess it would vary lol 😂
@@PeterEntwistle It contains nitrogen, phosphate, potassium, calcium, magnesium and sulphur. In addtion to micronutrients.I suppose that the actual amount of macro and micro nutrient it contains would depend on what you eat. I take a vitamin B complex, as well as iron, copper, selenium and zinc.......maybe these are partly responsible for the amazing results I am seeing?.
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Thanks for watching!
Chkorotic leaves need spraying regularly with Zink and manganese.........
Citrus just do not like our UK climate as it affects the root that does not absorb the correct nutrients.
When we used to look round the garden centres in Crete we were impressed by the fact that many Cirtus sat in 100 degs F .... Hundreds of them.
Yeah, our climate is not ideal for citrus lol. I also enjoy looking at the local garden centres while I'm on holiday, although it's quite frustrating to see a much better selection, but you know you can't bring any back with you haha 😂
Not many citrus enthusiasts know that you can indeed bring small potted citrus home I believe it was 4 , so long as there's no soil on the roots. I had to send for a Customs man with more education that the one that said =you can't bring those in.@@PeterEntwistle Sure enought the cahp looked ast them with the roots in wet tissue and waved us through =NO CHARGE either...... 10 years ago. None of those plants survived. Although I have a bitter orange in the ground outside 10 years that did survive from Crete but it must have been a seedling not a cutting from a flowering tree. No flowers as yet but sometime it may well flower maybee this spring, who knows?
Almost all the rootstocks in Crete must be bitter orange. What a pleasure to walk about in Hania with many Citrus growing out of the pavements = free marmalade.
They look fairly healthy…you certainly got a lot of lanes late lol
Lol, yeah too many really. I know other people got lucky and got other varieties, but I always end up getting the same one 😂. I think oranges will be quite difficult to get to ripen here so I think I'll stick to mandarins.
@@PeterEntwistle I tell you one citrus that seems to grow, flower and fruit outside is calamondin orange.
@@tropicalsat52n86 Hmm, interesting. I do have a calamondin, it's still a small plant. I have it growing in the greenhouse at the moment.
@@PeterEntwistle I think it gets its hardiness from the kumquat parentage and the satsuma parentage allows it to flower easier than a kumquat. I bought a plant from a supermarket back in Feb or march and it’s been growing and flowering since I got it. I think because the fruit are small as well we have a chance of them ripening, maybe?
Yeah those grapefruits are probably another 9 months from maturity, not very promising 😩
Yeah, they take ages to develop, so definitely not holding much hope of them holding. A couple of the smallest ones that were on when I got it have already come off 😞