What I like about this channel is the unpretentiousness but clearly experienced views on many things shooting. Unlike some other shooting channels where the presenters have become frankly media tarts , David is clearly eagerly just promoting the sport. Keep these coming and well done.
I live in the US and recently bought a Tristar Setter LT 12 Ga. Over/Under. It feels great to shoot and I only paid $400 for it new. On another note, I really enjoy this channel, especially Dave's videos. I've only recently taken up clay shooting and my goal is to simply be half as good as he is, LOL. Safe to say he'll never have to worry about competing against me.
Some good advice here as usual from TSC. I would add though not to skimp. Frankly the gun cost is not that significant when you consider the cost of cartridges and clays. At roughly 50p a bang (whether you hit or miss), 100 clays per week/5000 per year is a recurring cost of £2500 each year, every year. A gun, any gun, should be good for at the very least 50000 rounds (10 years use). Spend well, don't skimp and get one that really fits and suits you. Then go out and enjoy!
Sometimes it gets weird....My friend the skeet shooter wanted to add to his guns...Found a used Winchester Model 12 in good shape, bought it, brought it home...2 weeks later he out on the course...from that day on, NO clay pigeon has ever escaped the thing...My friend wanted to research the gun, so he calls Winchester..girl says "Give me the serial number, and I'll call you back in 3 days"...3 days later she calls, tells him "the gun was assembled on June 11, 1949...then shipped to a dealer.. My friend was born on June 11, 1949.
I have a 2nd hand Sabatti.Ok,i don't shoot clay but steelplates and i'm absolutely fine with my €151shotgun. Next year i'm going to shoot my first states championship with it.Not on cly but steelplates.Too bad we have no range to shoot clay nearby.But shotguns are real fun.Just bought a 2nd one yesterday.It's a game gun with a double trigger but,hey it just cost me €100 plus €35shipping. It's a fungun.But one day i'll get a Krieghoff or Blaser.😂 Your videos are very inspiring and educative. Greets from germany.
Great video. So glad you made it. I'm planning on buying my first shotgun in 2021 and I'll be heading straight for your shop. Can't wait to find out which gun fits me best. On a separate note, I'm over the moon with the BSA air rifle I bought from you recently and I'll be down to sample the range soon. To anybody reading this, the customer service I received at the Oxford Gun Company was superb and it will be my first port of call for any future shooting purchases despite being over 60 miles from my home. Thank you David 👍
That's great advice,for someone like myself.When l am able to take up clay shooting and rough shooting.My preferred shotgun will be a Miruko Sporter.They are fantastic to shoot with.
Nice video for newer people agree with most of it except the blueing if its from forend wear. Its not really an indicator of misuse or alot of use as some guns can do it almost from brand new or have an inherent issue due the the type of gun such as B25s.
I am watching these in reverse order, but I am still favouring your Bettinsoli there. But I will proceed with an open mind: I’ll be predisposed but not predetermined. Let’s see what next year brings me and I’ll come and see you folks.
Great video. I've lost track how many times I read on various platforms people asking what gun to get for their first and what are peoples thoughts on x y and z. I always say go in with an open mind and a budget and find what fits you best within that criteria. You could buy a gun for thousands of pounds but if its doesn't fit you properly you won't hit as much and you may find a cheaper gun shoots better for you.
Thank you for your nice words and if you are would like to pop down to The Oxford Gun Company the team there will help you with your gun. Thanks TSC Team.
So it depend on budget. I get iz27 for 200£. Stock fit me, long just fine. 2 trigers. When I learn shoot 7,8 from 10 each time by 1st shot then I will get better gun. Basically I go better on suhl fortuna s/s from 1953... price was 100£. For trap I need more training then better gun...
When it comes to buying a first gun people just need to be honest and forget badge/branding. How much shooting will you do Budget Discipline. If you are wanting to just shoot casually /low volume you are open to a massive range. High volume clays/trap etc and need to look at higher end of your budget. The second hand market is full of hidden gems. Not rare to find barely used or even unfired guns. Plus the 80s era were better quality than todays offerings. I myself use a 1982 winchester 101 for 90% of my shooting, and a winchester 96 as backup which i found unfired
Hi David. Been watching these for a while and great advice. Over the last year I have picked up a B725 and a MK38. More than happy with the guns as they are great. Busting clays with both, siding a bit with the 38 but still love my Browning. Will see how it goes. Thanks for the advice in these vids and hope you are doing well in these difficult times!
I've hammered my bettinsoli diamond on clays for ten years....... Its been well looked after and lubed after every shoot and it still looks n feels like new 😉
Second hand is ok some times. But, not for me. I purchased a used gun from the most reputable shop in NJ and it is a dud. I am over buying used. Save your money until you can buy new.
Bought a second hand bettinsoli diamond deluxe sporter 10 years ago for £500 spent a couple off hundred getting it properly fitted .after shooting at least 20 000 cartridges it's still going strong and I still shoot it just as regularly as my beretta sp1 sporter l bought 5 years ago for £1600 and a few hundred to have that fitted
just get 28" it works fine for mostly everything if you are getting into the sport. You can hunt shoot sporting clay skeet toss in a tight choke and shoot trap. I have owned 24 and 26" field guns I would only use those if you are hunting bunnies or quail in heavy brush for ease of snaking your way through cover. I have rarely mounted 28 or 30 guns in cover and had them be too long to take the shot
I shoot with a (B.C.) Miroku 12/70 OU made in japan kochi, made in the year 1971. Besides the fact that the chokes cannot be replaced easily (fixed ones) it’s a great gun and never ever had any problems with it. It has even 2 holes besides the firing pin. Don’t know why tbh. Don’t also know the model exactly. But. It is a pleasure to shooting with this old lady. Never have faced any problem yet. Wood looks nearly like new and the barrels are absolutely clear. Paid about 600€ for this thing. And I would buy it again. So if you find something interesting and good take it. Steel shot is shit and dangerous and you would maybe even possible to shoot some other cartridges than steel or lead. More expensive but yeah.
just look thru gun trader on the web you ll work the rest out for yourself unless you don t have a clue what u re doing then go into a gunshop and get nailed proper ! so remember buyer beware !
Do a comparison as to quality, fit and performance first. Some new models have crappy quality control, poor performance or just are an unreliable firearm. Some "second hand" firearms are the same way. Some, even of advanced age, are superior in quality, fit and performance than a new one. Also, consider price. Are you contemplating purchasing a high quality older firearm that has collector pricing? As an example, I was looking at a Stevens .22lr bolt action rifle that was at least 50 years old and the price the LGS wanted for it was higher than a brand new CZ455! I asked the clerk why so much and he replied, "well it's an antique!" hmmm, uh, yeah, ok. "Does that price include the missing parts and rust?" He didn't think my response was funny and turned around and left. So, just do your homework and judge accordingly.
You are blessed. Even a very old, more than 100 years old, many hands gun will be accepted by Taiwan’s people; millions Taiwan’s individual are eager to buy guns, but absolutely no individual is allowed to buy any kinds of gun, even air gun. It may be the strictest restricted in the world for more than 35 years. Seldom Taiwan’s people have concept to shotgun, chance to touch gun. Taiwan’s lawmakers & officials don’t amend guns laws; they treated guns & shooting are dangerous, terrible, sin; hunting is cruel; all are not civilizations. BBC reported: pig guts fly as Taiwan lawmakers brawl over US pork imports. They threw pig internal organs in congress, that’s their civilizations. Also there are many cameras in streets, Taiwan’s people very like to use mobile phone or car cameras to film something and put them in the network, or lay bare something to police stations to get bonus, so absolutely no privacy; also there are many people got mental illness, they would use any kinds of articles to do random killing people, so be carefully. If it’s possible, you may arrange a tour of sightseeing to see the beautiful, strange & crazy Taiwan island.
What I like about this channel is the unpretentiousness but clearly experienced views on many things shooting. Unlike some other shooting channels where the presenters have become frankly media tarts , David is clearly eagerly just promoting the sport. Keep these coming and well done.
Budget first, open minded with brand all very good advice. Makes sense!
Ps i would always go for a Browning lol
I live in the US and recently bought a Tristar Setter LT 12 Ga. Over/Under. It feels great to shoot and I only paid $400 for it new.
On another note, I really enjoy this channel, especially Dave's videos. I've only recently taken up clay shooting and my goal is to simply be half as good as he is, LOL. Safe to say he'll never have to worry about competing against me.
let me know how many rounds you get through it before the gun trips both barrels at once ;)
Some good advice here as usual from TSC. I would add though not to skimp. Frankly the gun cost is not that significant when you consider the cost of cartridges and clays. At roughly 50p a bang (whether you hit or miss), 100 clays per week/5000 per year is a recurring cost of £2500 each year, every year. A gun, any gun, should be good for at the very least 50000 rounds (10 years use). Spend well, don't skimp and get one that really fits and suits you. Then go out and enjoy!
David, this is some very sound advice thank you for the pointers on what to look for in a used gun stay safe.👍👍👍
I went in for a second hand 20 bore and I had 11 guns 4 beretta 6 browning 1 betinsoli walked away with betinsoli lovely gun nice to just use
Sometimes it gets weird....My friend the skeet shooter wanted to add to his guns...Found a used Winchester Model 12 in good shape, bought it, brought it home...2 weeks later he out on the course...from that day on, NO clay pigeon has ever escaped the thing...My friend wanted to research the gun, so he calls Winchester..girl says "Give me the serial number, and I'll call you back in 3 days"...3 days later she calls, tells him "the gun was assembled on June 11, 1949...then shipped to a dealer..
My friend was born on June 11, 1949.
You were right. I tried out several today and bought the Bettinsoli Omega Sport. I love it.
Thank you, David.
I have a 2nd hand Sabatti.Ok,i don't shoot clay but steelplates and i'm absolutely fine with my €151shotgun.
Next year i'm going to shoot my first states championship with it.Not on cly but steelplates.Too bad we have no range to shoot clay nearby.But shotguns are real fun.Just bought a 2nd one yesterday.It's a game gun with a double trigger but,hey it just cost me €100 plus €35shipping.
It's a fungun.But one day i'll get a Krieghoff or Blaser.😂
Your videos are very inspiring and educative.
Greets from germany.
Great video. So glad you made it. I'm planning on buying my first shotgun in 2021 and I'll be heading straight for your shop. Can't wait to find out which gun fits me best.
On a separate note, I'm over the moon with the BSA air rifle I bought from you recently and I'll be down to sample the range soon. To anybody reading this, the customer service I received at the Oxford Gun Company was superb and it will be my first port of call for any future shooting purchases despite being over 60 miles from my home. Thank you David 👍
That's great advice,for someone like myself.When l am able to take up clay shooting and rough shooting.My preferred shotgun will be a Miruko Sporter.They are fantastic to shoot with.
Nice video for newer people agree with most of it except the blueing if its from forend wear. Its not really an indicator of misuse or alot of use as some guns can do it almost from brand new or have an inherent issue due the the type of gun such as B25s.
Agreed, a tight fitting forend will wear blueing in no time
I am watching these in reverse order, but I am still favouring your Bettinsoli there. But I will proceed with an open mind: I’ll be predisposed but not predetermined.
Let’s see what next year brings me and I’ll come and see you folks.
I bought my Beretta 686 E Evo Second Hand... Beautiful Woodwork & Impeccably Maintained - Brilliant & Concise Channel ^_^
Great video. It seems that Browning stains their stocks with more of a reddish hue for the British market. I like it.
Great video. I've lost track how many times I read on various platforms people asking what gun to get for their first and what are peoples thoughts on x y and z. I always say go in with an open mind and a budget and find what fits you best within that criteria. You could buy a gun for thousands of pounds but if its doesn't fit you properly you won't hit as much and you may find a cheaper gun shoots better for you.
nice bit of information for all us new shooters. Thanks
Our pleasure!
@@TSCTheshootingchannel pleasures all mine Im just hoping David pulls my name out for the gun give away.
There are beautiful second hand guns out there there were barely fired and going at good prices. Buying new is just ego-stroking.
Thanks a lot. Follow you from Iraq.
You make a lot of sense sir thanks again for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for the video . I’m going too be in the market for my first gun in the new year. I love this channel and I can’t get enough of them
BROWNING easy to service
Forget brands. Shoulder and swing as many as you can and buy what feels most natural to you.
@@fullchoke01 that is definitely what I am going too do . Good advice. Thank you
@@harryurban4219 enjoy mate, don't be put off from buying older 80s to 90s guns. Condition is more important than age. Happy shooting
Thank you for your nice words and if you are would like to pop down to The Oxford Gun Company the team there will help you with your gun. Thanks TSC Team.
Something I’ve been thinking of for a while. New is a luxury but if secondhand get toy shooting, just do it
So it depend on budget. I get iz27 for 200£. Stock fit me, long just fine. 2 trigers. When I learn shoot 7,8 from 10 each time by 1st shot then I will get better gun. Basically I go better on suhl fortuna s/s from 1953... price was 100£. For trap I need more training then better gun...
Great advice sir.
Yes very good advice . And there is a lot of second hand guns out there which haven't shot much at tall some people get rid after one or two years!
Great info. Very instructive video. I just subscribed.
When it comes to buying a first gun people just need to be honest and forget badge/branding.
How much shooting will you do
Budget
Discipline.
If you are wanting to just shoot casually /low volume you are open to a massive range.
High volume clays/trap etc and need to look at higher end of your budget.
The second hand market is full of hidden gems. Not rare to find barely used or even unfired guns. Plus the 80s era were better quality than todays offerings.
I myself use a 1982 winchester 101 for 90% of my shooting, and a winchester 96 as backup which i found unfired
Great advice keep it up
Good advice!
Great video with Great information !!!!!
Glad it was helpful!
Hi........the BERETTA S56E gauge 20 is good for hunting??67,5 cm barrel.....
Hi David. Been watching these for a while and great advice. Over the last year I have picked up a B725 and a MK38. More than happy with the guns as they are great. Busting clays with both, siding a bit with the 38 but still love my Browning. Will see how it goes. Thanks for the advice in these vids and hope you are doing well in these difficult times!
I've hammered my bettinsoli diamond on clays for ten years....... Its been well looked after and lubed after every shoot and it still looks n feels like new 😉
Second hand is ok some times. But, not for me. I purchased a used gun from the most reputable shop in NJ and it is a dud. I am over buying used. Save your money until you can buy new.
2nd hand it’s Nicely worn in and u get more for your money
There's nothing wrong with a used gun, as long as it hasn't been abused.
Clothing should not have anything to do with buying a gun.
Why some bottom barrel over under shoot under the target?
Please your experience.
Great video ,
Waistcoat!? I don't think so. Good swedish fjallraven jacket does the job and looks more this century 😂
Bought a second hand bettinsoli diamond deluxe sporter 10 years ago for £500 spent a couple off hundred getting it properly fitted .after shooting at least 20 000 cartridges it's still going strong and I still shoot it just as regularly as my beretta sp1 sporter l bought 5 years ago for £1600 and a few hundred to have that fitted
what sort of price would a bayard 12g s/s hammer shotgun be worth and what size cartridge would you recommend for it as 100 year old gun?.
You’d get more responses if you joined a shooting Facebook group and asked on there
As light as possible
If you shake the gun like you did and it rattles does that mean there’s an issue ?
Hi David. Totally off the subject but who do i contact about my licence taking too long? Many thanks
Good morning if you give David a call on 01844 238 308 I will help you with this and give you a contact that may help you.
David....what barrel length do you recommend for mostly skeet shooting with some upland pheasant hunting?
just get 28" it works fine for mostly everything if you are getting into the sport. You can hunt shoot sporting clay skeet toss in a tight choke and shoot trap.
I have owned 24 and 26" field guns I would only use those if you are hunting bunnies or quail in heavy brush for ease of snaking your way through cover. I have rarely mounted 28 or 30 guns in cover and had them be too long to take the shot
Is there any concern with an older shotgun, 20 years old, not being proofed for the steel shot used today?
I shoot with a (B.C.) Miroku 12/70 OU made in japan kochi, made in the year 1971.
Besides the fact that the chokes cannot be replaced easily (fixed ones) it’s a great gun and never ever had any problems with it. It has even 2 holes besides the firing pin. Don’t know why tbh. Don’t also know the model exactly. But. It is a pleasure to shooting with this old lady. Never have faced any problem yet. Wood looks nearly like new and the barrels are absolutely clear. Paid about 600€ for this thing. And I would buy it again. So if you find something interesting and good take it. Steel shot is shit and dangerous and you would maybe even possible to shoot some other cartridges than steel or lead. More expensive but yeah.
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just look thru gun trader on the web you ll work the rest out for yourself unless you don t have a clue what u re doing then go into a gunshop and get nailed proper ! so remember buyer beware !
Do a comparison as to quality, fit and performance first. Some new models have crappy quality control, poor performance or just are an unreliable firearm. Some "second hand" firearms are the same way. Some, even of advanced age, are superior in quality, fit and performance than a new one. Also, consider price. Are you contemplating purchasing a high quality older firearm that has collector pricing? As an example, I was looking at a Stevens .22lr bolt action rifle that was at least 50 years old and the price the LGS wanted for it was higher than a brand new CZ455! I asked the clerk why so much and he replied, "well it's an antique!" hmmm, uh, yeah, ok. "Does that price include the missing parts and rust?" He didn't think my response was funny and turned around and left. So, just do your homework and judge accordingly.
You are blessed.
Even a very old, more than 100 years old, many hands gun will be accepted by Taiwan’s people; millions Taiwan’s individual are eager to buy guns, but absolutely no individual is allowed to buy any kinds of gun, even air gun. It may be the strictest restricted in the world for more than 35 years. Seldom Taiwan’s people have concept to shotgun, chance to touch gun.
Taiwan’s lawmakers & officials don’t amend guns laws; they treated guns & shooting are dangerous, terrible, sin; hunting is cruel; all are not civilizations.
BBC reported: pig guts fly as Taiwan lawmakers brawl over US pork imports.
They threw pig internal organs in congress, that’s their civilizations.
Also there are many cameras in streets, Taiwan’s people very like to use mobile phone or car cameras to film something and put them in the network, or lay bare something to police stations to get bonus, so absolutely no privacy; also there are many people got mental illness, they would use any kinds of articles to do random killing people, so be carefully.
If it’s possible, you may arrange a tour of sightseeing to see the beautiful, strange & crazy Taiwan island.
They all will be second hand if you use it even once 🎉😢
Are we talking about guns or women. Second-hand women are out.
Thank you David.