Trout Spey Tips: Swinging Flies for Trout in High Water
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 มิ.ย. 2022
- Don't skip a high dirty river, swinging flies in the margins with a trout spey setup can be very successful. Simon Hoole shares his tips for swinging flies in high water.
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Finally!!! Great to see Mr Hoole in action. Hopefully we'll see more videos with Simon and more educational materials. Awesome effort Johan 👌. Fantastic weekend with you fellas. Pure fun!!!
Thanks Pawel, it was a great weekend indeed. Look forward to doing it again.
Hopefully he can get more time on the river swinging again instead of spending all his time in the city chasing salty critters!!!! Might help his patience with hooksets! 😆🤣😆
@@iloveflyfishing5484 hope so!!!
Great video Johan, haven't been fishing Tangariro for a long time, too many people and sorry to say, some of them have no respect for others.Enjoyed the video mate, thumbs up,, Tony.
Thanks Tony. Agreed that the Tongariro and really all Taupo rivers can get really busy and there are certainly a few characters around. Have had a run in or two myself but generally find I can find a spot or two away from the crowds that will produce fish. Tight lines.
Great to see you out with the spey and some nice fish as well. Shout out to Simon for the advice on OPST lines for my trout spey, I'm looking forward to getting out on the Tongariro with it!
Thanks Wayne, I will let Simon know. Hope you have some great fishing on the Tong. The tug is the drug.
Hi Wayne, glad to hear you are sorted gear wise. Let me know how you get on on the river and email me some fish pics once you are cranking it! Tight lines and hope to run into you on the Tong at some point! Simon
Got to love the tug..... the secret of the swing on the Tong is finding a pool with minimal snags.......
Haha yeah, there will be lots of new ones after the recent floods but at least not nearly as bad as the other two rivers I fish in Taupo.
Simon - I noticed you’re making your cast, and then letting your fly swing on a tight line. I would suggest that the fish you lost grabbed the fly, and were probably hooked in the front of the mouth, versus in the corner of the mouth sweet spot. Your NZ rainbows are descendants from our Russian River (CA) steelhead, and (like most salmon as well, particularly Atlantics) will attack a fly from their holding/ambush spot, then turn to head back to their “secret lair” with their meal. If you pull off another length of line from your reel equal to the anticipated length of the fish you’re chasing, and a bit more for the speed of the current; holding the loop of line beneath your index finger; this will allow the fish to grab your fly and turn away, which gets the hook in a much better place. It’s hard to resist setting a hook (hopefully strip-setting it vs. using the rod) when you get a tug, but fish also sometimes will munch their prey around, and may even lose contact with it while they are attempting to get a better grip on it. As the loop of line gets pulled out of your fingers the fish will be heading away from you, and the space between both jaws (at the corner of the mouth) is much smaller than his whole mouth pointed at you. Ignoring the tugs and waiting to feel the weight of the fish BEFORE tightening up on him will put a lot more fish in your net! :) By the way, those MaxCatch V-switch and Spey rods rock!
Thanks Kim, appreciate the detailed insight. I will get Simon to respond as well. I do love my 5wt V-Switch, great rod. We have heard of the loop of line and I am definitely going give it a try next time I'm out as it does make a lot of sense. We actually filmed a section about hook setting after the first lost fish which talked about some of the things you mentioned like waiting for the weight to come off but decided to cut it out for a dedicated video later. I think we will definitely try to cover this method as well in that video. If you have any good links to articles or videos that talk more in depth about it please share with me at www.crazyaboutflyfishing.com so I can research it and give it a good test. Thanks for taking the time to comment. Much appreciated. Tight lines
Agreed so much on this and cheers for the comment, appreciate the feedback and looking at the lifts there, you are spot on. I play a lot with different hook sets and then often drink too much coffee in the morning and end up twitching a few and swinging for the fences (not the smartest 😆) especially if I haven’t swing for a while. Definitely like letting the fish slip the loop as opposed to just dropping one which is too chaotic. Are you a fan of a set to the near bank after the fish had taken the loop and is running? Or just a lift? Have played with both and am undecided. It’s always a funny thing cause at times, will land all things hooked and at others have mornings like that. Sometimes it all comes down to whether the first fish is landed or lost as then the relaxation and patience are set in rather than trying to make it happen lol 😂
Tight lines and great to hear from you on that!
Simon
@@iloveflyfishing5484 Simon, sorry so long getting back to you. As far as setting hooks go it is important to remember that the tip section of a fly rod is only designed for two things, both beginning with the letter “C” - “Casting” and “Cushioning.” Using a fly rod (tip) to pull flies out of trees and rocks or getting a fly into the cartilage of a fish’s mouth is simply not the best way to get the job done. A rod held low; pointed at the fish; and a smooth strip strike (or slip strike) with one’s line hand will always put more fish in the net than either sweeping towards the bank or raising the rod (tip), both of which always introduce elastic give in your connection to the fish. To work a fish properly (after he’s hooked), one should angle the rod away from him (up to a maximum 90* angle with the BUTT section of the rod and the fly line) when cushioning his run, and pointing the rod more at him and using that stiffer butt section to tire and move the fish when trying to gain the upper hand. That maximum 90* angle allows for maximum cushioning of your tippet; exceeding it likely to lead to rod (tip) breakage with no gain in cushioning effect (maybe even some loss!). Hope that helps. 🙂
Awesome video, great tips and amazing fights on those fish!
Thanks, it's great to hear you enjoyed it. We have some cool stuff coming in the next few months.
Some good fish there lads , looks like fun well done.
Thanks mate, been tough but fun
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What a fantastic video! Good to see you guys all fishing again. I have just recently been to the same area, I have experienced also losing fish on the hook set. Very interesting to see the comments about the loop held below the hand in order to accommodate a better hook set in the corner of the mouth. Very interesting. I will give it a try again when I go down that way again. I use and 0PST 6 weight switch rod with a 300 grain commando head. This has proven to be a very useful set up, but I still keep losing fish regularly. Maybe this hook set thing is what I need to pay attention to!
Glad you enjoyed it. Like you I drop a fair few fish so I am definitely going to try the loop thing. There is also a good podcast called the Wetflyswing that covers a lot of topics and they covered a bit on hooks. I can't remember which episode but it was a company thay sold some flies. Aparently shank flies with wire are stiff and act like a hinge so you loose fish when the jump. Tubes are great because the flies just slide up the line. What they use for shanks is braid covered with soft tubing. It gives some rigidity but not as much as wire. That's something I will try as well. Let us know how the loop thing works for you. We plan to do a whole video about hook setting at some point. Tight lines and hope they stay on the hook
Awesome to hear, great fun isn't it!? It's interesting, a while back, I went on an utter scrounge to find everything I could about hook sets and then try out each and I can see the benefits of each style, but with all you'll still lose fish just cause of the downstream presentation. I think the biggest thing whichever you choose is being relaxed and not doing what I do in one of these and 'swinging for the fences.' A few coffees and too much time off the water and I was all twitchy and too keen ;) Fully worth trying the loop as its a great method, but i'd let the fish slip it out not just drop it as it can tangle on things. I'm going to spend some time playing with each again. I like the feel of the contact with the pinch to the cork just for feel and can't get myself to leave it tight to the reel, which I know is the go to for many people. Was listening to George Cook a very reputable Steelhead legend talking about doing the same (pinched to the cork) but relaxing and letting them take it fully before any lift or sweep, which is what I had been doing before. The twitch (trout strike) is the killer though ;p I have to go back to my old habit of chewing gum as I have a way better hookup rate albeit a sore jaw after a long day on the water as it puts me in chill mode. Tight lines, Simon
this technique is remarkably effective in small streams as well with lots of overhead trees etc, so easy.
I have to give that a try when the small streams open again next summer.
Absolutely and super fun making those tight casts especially when no backcast room!
Another excellent video Johan, we all have days when others seem to do better than you, but its swings and roundabouts, I haven't tried Euro and have been edged out by mates who do, but I do enjoy the swing and have the same setup as you from Barrie, I also enjoy on my #6 single handed rod. Keep them coming
Thanks Neil, much appreciated. Same as you I do both my double and my single 6wt and have now even added a commando smooth for my euro rod which actually casts it really well. It's always great to just be able to carry an extra reel and change it up. Especially for the walk back after a day upstream.
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Good video, want to give this ago one day,
It's a very enjoyable way to fish. I'm still not any good at it so I dont catch many but Simon catches heaps so I just need to learn more from him. Definitely a method worth learning.
Cheers! Definitely do, it's great fun!
That looks like so much fun man! Missing the tong
The casting is very cool and the takes awesome. I just need to learn how to keep them on! The tong is a great river. Hope to see you over here again at some point
@@CrazyAboutFlyFishing it will happen don’t you worry you’ll know when I know 🙌
Trout spey is my favorite type of fly fishing... Because spey casting itself is fun even when fish doesn't bite. You can experiment with casting from left bank, right bank, airborne anchor, waterborne, roll cast etc... So much diversity
Definitely I really enjoy the casting too but mostly do it in winter here as it's not suited for the sight fishing I do in summer on small backcountry waters but definitely enjoying it in our winter waters. I do carry a single handed setup to fish on my way back down on some rivers though and that is good fun.
@@CrazyAboutFlyFishing I mostly practice it early in the season, February to March. April is usually prime dry fly time in our waters, so im switching methods
Awesome video great info I am using the same weight rod you are I am using just a tad bit heavier head but even that seems light
Glad you liked the video! Quite a bit of variance in rods for feel and grain weight. I have 3 different 5wts and the Commando heads I use for the 3 range from 250gr - 350gr. The OPST 5 weight (iloveflyfishing.kiwi/product/opst-rods-micro-skagit/?ref=3048) being the lightest of the bunch at 250gr. I'll mix these up at times depending where I'm fishing and what response I want from the rod (deep bends or light and snappy). Is your head an OPST Commando head? You'll find the grain weight recommendations a lot lighter for Commando heads due to their profile if not. Tight lines! Simon
Thanks Steve. Glad you found the info useful. I use my commando smooth on my single hand setup for my 9ft 6wt nymphing rod too so that's why I have the lighter setup mainly.
@@CrazyAboutFlyFishing Lol same here I tried it as a hmm this may work as well and it does albeit a little heavy for a six wt
What tip are you using? I find on the single hand setup it helps to drop to a 60gr tip or max 96gr.
@@CrazyAboutFlyFishing I'll try a 60 and go from there Thx for the input
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Mr Hoole is a pretty good fly fisherman too.
Woww kawał wodyyyy!!!!!!! 🎣Pozdr. 👍
Tak, ta rzeka może stać się bardzo duża po zalaniu. Dobre wędkowanie. Dzięki za oglądanie
@@CrazyAboutFlyFishingJestem w pracy - więc mam czas na oglądanie 😉ale pogoda taka trochę jesienna bo u nas 33C🥵
@@zbigniewkolasinski4627 33C brzmi raczej gorąco. Teraz jest tu zimno i coraz zimniej z dużą ilością deszczu. Ale nadal łowienie może być dobre.
@@zbigniewkolasinski4627 krotko mowiac jest zima, A JAK JEST ZIMA TO MUSI BYC ZIMNO. Pozdrawiam.
What OPST rod were you using line class wise?
I think Simon uses a 10 or 11ft 5wt Micro Skagit rod.
My name is Leon ! Can you teach me !
Ah another Leon. Well you'll have to ask Simon that. I'm pretty bad at the swinging stuff...