Companion PDF Spreadsheet available here: wrongway.info/comparisons-1 EDIT: I made a very significant error in terms of Smart BMS on King-Song wheels. The only EUCs at King-Song currently which do have a smart BMS are the S16, S19 and S22 line-up. Their smaller wheels DO NOT have a Smart BMS. I apologize for my mistake and I’ll add a pinned comment to that video as well as cut out necessary parts. For some reason I mistakingly saw options of smart BMS on the 16S app and I didn’t do my research well enough. Most probably I connected to S16 while 16S was also available my KS app and it turns out it’s too easy to misclick 🙈
It's not a criticism, but you can enrich this table, maybe find a way to make filters on the columns Another ideas is put some kind of index of your videos on this website. A lot of work, but than you can have all yours videos separated by subject, people will watch your videos more Just ideas man, thank you so much for your work for the EUC community, it's always an excellent contribution
Not gonna lie, the way you negotiated this mine field was pretty impressive. You kept it fact based, explained your methodology, then applied it to the EUC market without fear or favour. I hope manufacturers and EUC riders apply the standards you've laid out because both would benefit, riders with better wheels and manufacturers with better sales. 👍
You put a lot of work into this video, thanks. The spreadsheets are very useful too! Lastly, it’s impressive that you are limiting the wheels you will review, that might cost you money but you are trying to make a meaningful change in the industry that you clearly love.
Inmotion v12hs is solid, blew 1st gen motherboard, got 2nd gen motherboard in warranty - works good now. Stock waterproofing is good, the wheel is dry and no dust on the inside, 6k km. Axle is fine, no issues 90kg rider
Sounds like a familiar story with my V12HT. I had the motherboard, controller and the batteries replaced just before the warranty ran out on mine. Luckily I was just starting out my ride and I was going very slow when I heard a warning, stopped and the wheel started smoking. I recorded it as proof and for prosperity's sake. Another rider in the group wasn't so lucky, he was already going at a fair speed, didn't hear the warning, which BTW leaves you with very little time to react, and he went flying. Five of us have V12s (one HS and the rest HTs) and 4 of us have had to replace its inner workings, but once replaced, all the wheels are fine.
V14 looks ludacris on accel/torque ❤ totally opposite of my Sherman, even my tesla 1.2 is zippier out of corners due to smaller wheel diameter and (to some extent) less weight. Watching v14 closely, if chooch and marty agree, i might sell all eucs and get that one
But doing burnouts on gravel, thats a first for me. Stairs up/down and intermediate stops..same thing. Imagine if ze germans would make a EUC or why not Tesla ❤ THEN we will be close to EUC heaven
Great to see someone considering sensible quality-of-life concerns rather than just singing the praises of the latest bigger, faster, more expensive wheel with no concern for what it will be like after 6 months of hard use in bad weather.
I LOVE this video BUT you forgot one thing... WHY does nobody (except inmotion maybe?) provide a way to lock the damn wheel????? Literally anybody can get on your wheel and ride off!! All high end scooters have at least a pin lock, some keys, some nfc cards SOMETHING. This is absolutely absurd to me especially on these £4000 wheels, there must be a strong focus on security/anti-theft
Agree but that’s a different topic video :) King-Song has this function too ;)
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@@mr_wrongway I feel like KingSong has a weird system about that. Because when it is locked you may turn off the weel, then when you move it is not beeping :D
Cue benny bill show intro. How often has a thief pushed someone over, jumped on an just rode away? Maybe it would make sense to slap an airtag in a hidden place to be able to recover it.
its basically cause you never leave/lock the wheel anywhere outside your home anyways. its too easy, even with a way to stop ppl from starting the wheel, to just pick it up and carry it away to their car or wherever. so its not really needed. my dad is an old motorcycle rider and he once told me a "funny" story: thieves used to steal super heavy harley davidson bikes weighing hundreds of kilos by just getting 2 skateboards and lifting up the wheels on them and rolling it away. doesnt even matter if its locked then :D how easy woudlnt it be to steal a tiny little euc then ;D never leave it unseen!
At the end of the day, everyone has to decide for themselves which euc they want or what is important to them. If someone is not yet so experienced in this area, this video can certainly help them. Thanks for the video, great job as always 😊
Thank you so much for the awesome video. I'm looking at the V14. It seems to be the best of the bunch. That has all the safety features you speak of. Thank you once again.
Hi Adam, great video again. I really appreciate that you are using your platform for putting the hard facts out there, tha in 2024 these EUC manufacturers absolutely should not be selling any wheels without a smart BMS from now on, & there is absolutely no excuse for it.
Old guy here (72 years old), started with a V8F in August 2021, only 2475 km since it's just a part time hobby for me. I only ride on paved bike trails or private streets near my home. I weigh about 90 kg with gear. I'm in decent shape, doing free weights and cardio. I'm considering 18XL or Molicel P42A S18. Issues, 18XL has the smaller axle. S18 - the handle is reported to be weak, an issue if lifting S18 by the handle, but I only need to lift it to put on stand or to put on passenger door seal on my car (2 seater, so I transport in passenger foot well with top resting on towel covered seat). S18 - how time consuming and what issues are there if tire change is needed on the S18? S18- constant maintenance, lubing suspension, checking bolts, ... .
As a first time rider I just bought a V10F, which looks pretty bad based on your criteria, but most of the wheels that fit are much more expensive. I don't have a problem spending a good bit on something to get quality, but at the same time I'd like to know how I enjoy riding it first before I decide which bigger wheel to invest in. I could have gone for an even cheaper wheel like a V5 or V8, but I wanted one that would have a bit more power and be a little bit more capable since I'm a heavier rider at nearly 100kg. This video will be on my mind when/if I decide to upgrade to a bigger and better wheel once I've gotten experience under my belt.
The S22 is easy to waterproof in regards to the batteries. I have ridden my wheel in the rain, and power washed it many times. But yeah, you gotta be careful. (when power washing, remove the suspension through bolt at the top (one that has handles), and the top 6 bolts (IIRC) then you can pull the wheel apart. But the mobo inside a plastic bag, silicone (if you haven't already) the two holes for the light wires. Stuff a sock into each of the battery wire holes and then blast down. When replacing everything, if you do a small bead of silicone around the battery wire hole it holds really well.) It sounds like a lot, but you can dismantle the S22 to this stage and do silicon and everything and reassemble before you can get the wheel out of a Nikol+ or V12.
Excellent video. Thank you for sharing your vast knowledge and expertise regarding all these wheels. There's no one like you and you couldn't be replaced.
I was shaking my head in disappointment last night while watching a LYNX video that has the fuse mounted inline with the battery (which is good) but no xt90 connection between the fuse and the battery (which is very bad). The battery lead should have a connector BEFORE the fuse so that while working on (or replacing) the fuse, the mechanic is not vulnerable to shock because the fuse holder is at full voltage potential even though the battery is disconnected! The shielded side of the connector should be on the ‘hot’ side of the junction, then the ‘male’ side should be on the load side, then the fuse holder. Especially since the fuse holder is “designed” to open using a flathead screwdriver! If you’ve never seen a 12v car battery short its leads, go look now! Then imagine an 80volt short to ground through your body.😢 Some of the minor details in these flawed design/assembly processes can mind blowing. Also, there are “safer” protocols for handling and managing used wheels but no one gets clicks for spreading this info, which is understandable. BMS features are also very minimal. The minimum requirement I have BEFORE I will ever buy a ‘new’ wheel is that I want a programmable alarm on each cell, in each pack, that notifies my if the temperature profile of that individual cell has changed more than 2-5% over the life of the packs. This will allow me to change out the programmatic cells preemptively, which reduces harm/degradation to the entire pack. I LOVE this content! Used wheels are awesome, I’ve got 6! But I wouldn’t recommend them to anyone unless they fully understand the preventative measures that need to be strictly adhered to. If anyone has suggestions on charging and maintaining vulnerable models, please add below. Recommendations for used wheels: 1) For older models without BMS balancing, NEVER charge to 100% SOC (state of charge). If damage has occurred, a full charge will just accelerate the cumulative damage. Just get the PIDzoom ‘Charger Enhancer’ and limit the peak voltage to the level at which the battery has no internal voltage losses over a 1-week period. {this needs more expansion but it’s just an example}. There’s dozens more ideas… anyone?
I'm still amazed by v11's water resistance, now at 8800km. It's been through two winters already, not to mention rains. At 7500 i had changing the tire process (for winter one), and it turned out that the bearing grease was still in pristine out-the-box condition. It took riding through the sudden knee-deep pool of water to spoil that grease. But i have no idea if these qualities transferred to v11y.
With all the disqualifications, would still love to see wheel reviews that do not meet your standard, as a heavier wheel would be great for my commute, waterproofing not mattering in dryer countries, or very light people on 'bad axles'.
There is no Perfect product. Happy user of sherman s for about 2.5 years here, fool proof wheel for me. I would totaly recomend it if someone can deal with its weight. Range, speed, stability are strong aspects of sherman S. Video is more like about awarnes of problems of current euc's and things we should watch out for. Good for us someone rise our voices in order to increase safety of our beloved vehicles :) Keep screaming Adam :D
19:22 the V11Y is even harder to work on because the raptor controller requires you to take apart more things to be able to disconnect it and you have to cut zip ties and re-route wires just right.
Because of things mentioned by Adam (waterpfoofing especially) - no authority does take EUC's seriously, like a vehicle which should be considered among public transport. We (riders/ customers) have to demand this from manufaturers. Then we will aproach much faster the day when any country will put EUC out of the law grey zone into just common transport vehicles.
I broke axle on my Commander 1 generation after 5k kilometers. There is no way to fix it other that buying a new motor, what I did. Now I ride it as gentle as I can, no jumping, hard landing, etc. But Im sure it will brake again after another thousands of miles. Just a matter of time.
I worked on the Inmotion V12 to replace the rim. You're right, it is tough to work on. Many many screws. But if you have a great management system for the screws and record the order of disassembly, it will be less painful to repair.
Given the hair. I just realized why the channel is called wrong way :D I have an inmotion v8, no cell balancing. After 7k+ km, two pairs of cells were out of balance, reducing range a lot. After manually balancing them several times, I changed them, using a cheap spot welder, using salvaged cells from scooters I found online that I capacity tested with a lithium charger. That was a few weeks ago and so far it's holding up. That wheel would be truly amazing if it had a smart BMS. I've learnt a lot along the way. I'm also on my second charger, the first one eventually just died. Also on my second tube. First tyre. Probably c.10k km now?
My first and only EUC has been the V11 (over 8,700 miles) and the suspension drives me CRAZY. Always losing pressure on one side...I pump it up before going out, and it's almost gone by the end of my ride. Thankfully, I live near EUCO, so I hope to have that little issue fixed in the near future. Looking really hard at the V14 for my next ride. 🤞
You are right my friend. On my inmotion V8f the axle broke twice. After the first time broke I had to order the whole wheel (tyre, wheel,motor) all together set that cost me a lot of money. After ten months the new one broke again. I’m not a guy who does jumps and flashy tricks. What a bitty cause it’s a nice feeling wheel.
I live in Southern California and have a V8S. I want a Lynx but still researching if I might have problems with being street legal. So far it appears as if what I already have is pushing the legal limits.
This is why the Begode T4 is the perfect wheel for me, especially concerning maintenance. Obviously I would love a smart BMS and a water resistance rating, however as a budget rider it was really the best thing I could get. I hate sacrificing safety, but it's better than not being able to ride at all :)
This was refreshing since I am a bit tired of youtubers saying every wheel is "the best wheel ever" these days. More youtubers need to point out weaknesses if the developers is going to improve. For me it is very important to for example knowing how easy a wheel is to take apart and work on, since im no good at that stuff.
Adam when you mention axle strength my first issue with my sherman og was a strange affect where there was a lot of radio waves that locked up my wheel when I was walking it that lowered my confidence in EUCs as this rare problem hit my wheel. Second issue was a bent wheel that wheel is so weak and I had to replace it after I went up a curb at 10mph in an accident avoidance move. When you say axle don’t forget the wheel Strength if you know that to include that in future spreadsheet.
Of course he can. Still looks goofy as hell. But I am here for the information and his fantastic riding skills. He did mention something about mental issues in another video then I noticed the hair. Seems these things go together. Wish him the best and am still here for the videos. It is what it is.
Hey Adam. I was looking at the newest euc’s and except for the Falcon they all have smart BMS’s. I think you might be having a positive effect!! Thanks.
My first wheel was the KingSong s22 pro. Before ordering I didn’t know about the shrink wrap , but it had a smart bms. My next wheel was the extreme because I sat down and asked what I wanted out of a wheel long term. I think this critica for reviewing a wheel is good 👍
Even though I don't have a smart BMS, I think this video has reaffirmed my decision to get a begode T4. I have 2000mi on it, and don't plan on getting rid of it any time soon. When I finally have a major issue, like needing new suspension rods I'll probably get a used ET Max or extreme.
It would be super cool for you to test the EB Commander Pro 50S - checks all these boxes EXCEPT the waterproofing, and maybe maintenance. I haven't had to tear her apart yet. :) You are awesome!
So about axle, this is an engineering thing that you might not see as a user. Theres a few things that can break or bend when overloading a wheel (using it outside recomendation i.e. doing 5m jumps, hitting a kerb with 1.5bar aso. 1. Tyre/hose 2. Axle 3. Bearing 1&3 = face plant 2 = squeeking or rubbing but you'll live Get it?
Begode: This manufacturer used LG M50T cells in various models including the MSuper Pro (MSP), RS, and Nikola. These models have faced issues and even recalls due to safety concerns with these batteries (VROOOMIN). Extreme Bull: This brand's Commander model is equipped with a substantial 3600WH battery pack using LG M50T 21700 cells. It is known for its long range and robust performance (VROOOMIN) (FreeMotion).
Well, I wanted to say that Gotway MSX is quite waterproof (rainproof) - no water inside, but some dust after thousands of kms. And I do love the very end of the movie :)
I want to get the begode a2 or the falcon. The v5f was great for $450 but I'm ready for more offroad action on a smaller wheel. Need it small for space.
I have used an cheap Airwheel EUC that I bought new in China for only 100$ 10 years ago. The 16S1P batterypack died after a few years, then I built a new batterypack with some premium Samsung cells, and it has worked fine since then. But this year I wanted to buy a more useful wheel that I can use for going around town. I found a used Gotway Tesla 1 with the 20S4P 1020Wh battery (Panasonic 18650GA cells) I got it for 400$. It works just fine. Seems to charge to full, no problem and have good range. But it does not have an SmartBMS, so I do not really know how the battery health is. If I discover problems with the battery in the future, I will probably build a new battery with Molicel P30B cells and install with an SmartBMS like the other packs I built for EVs.
Thank you so much for the thorough investigation and the precious downloadable sheet. I want buy an inmotion V11Y for my first EUC this winter or the next spring, and it seems the more safe to ride in the price range of 2000€ or so. I want to commute to work even in the rainy days so the IP rating it's a deal braker for me.
Just changed my first tire yesterday ( on a v11). It was a nightmare, I gave up after disassemble and assembled it the next day so effectively you have to get a day off like Adam mentioned 😅
I remember wanting to upgrade to a V11 from a 14D. Saw the tire change videos and backtracked immediately. The hardest thing on the 14d is just removing the pads! The v11 looks like you need a degree in engineering to de/reassemble. Same with the v12. Even once you know what you’re doing it’s still a nightmare to run maintenance on the fly.
When it comes to water proofing, i think the biggest thing is just keep a wet wheel upright. The only water issues i heard for the v12 were people who rode through rain and than put it down on the kickstand. Once it was tipped back water managed to get somewhere bad.
Hello Adam, after a long time now I started watching your channel again. Can I ask you about your hair style? Why? What was the motivation for this new style? Thanks.
Thanks for this - I think it's an important video and really clear. I can definitely see myself sending jt to someone asking for wheel recommendations. I want to see manufacturers and riders focusing more on longevity and sustainability. I still love my secondhand 16X but I wouldn't recommend anyone buy one new tbh. I want to upgrade to something with smart BMS, and then what the heck do we do with all these old wheels 🗑️🔋😔
Wrong Way: I rode over 80 wheels Me: There are 80 wheels? I am new to the hobby so I didn't know it was that many...I thought it was like 40+ wheels or whatever EWheels have listed on their site
Well, I had my V12 catch fire 🔥. They obviously do not travel well, a lot of shaking in my work truck. I miss it, it was so fun but that event changed my mind.
@@EVILyangkuang it still had 90% battery charge on it. Rode it the night before with no issues. Thinking it was either the combination of the tie down I used to keep it upright behind the passenger seat, the movement of the truck or it could have been the wiring coming from the hub that shorted out. All I remember was my cellphone connected to it and the speakers were on, I heard an electrical pop and hiss and could smell one of the batteries burning with a touch of grey smoke. Took the unit outside, turned it on and the battery level was down to 40%. Turned it off and then thermal runaway occurred and the whole unit caught on fire. Luckily it was outside when it happened.
Thank you for your video, you are the one that I trust, because you already test a lots of brands. I honestly think that Inmotion V14 is a great option, because is cheaper than other models, is easy to disassembly, have a great waterproof IP. Thanks a lot for your effort!!!!!
BTW Inmotion is now doing a return campaign of all their v11Ys due to faulty Smart BMS, which prevented normal battery charging. Maybe they will also fix the huge holes under controller radiator too, who knows.
I can’t bring myself to spend over 2000 dollars for a first wheel It’s for practice and learning and if I want to go further then I can decide to pay more and upgrade I think I’m gonna go for the InMotion V8S I know that I will probably outgrow it within a few months But it’s 800 dollars for a reasonably good wheel
I'm a heavier rider, so I went with a V10F, but my reasoning was the same. Learn to ride and discover what I like, then spend the bigger money on the one I'll keep long term.
Thx for the vid and your knowledge. I have three wheels you mentioned in your video but none of them are the Commodes. Hair, really not you...just my opinion.
Thanks so much for the objective, informative content along with your great riding videos! Safety and reliability should be more emphasized in EUC designs. Cut-outs need to be engineered out and waterproofing, customization, tire changes, part swapping and recycling designed in.
with what is being charged for these "toys" there should rarely be problems. spending 5000 dollars and suffering down time with associated costs is a huge barrier to sales.(or should be)
I have the inmotion v12 and v11 and done at least four tire changes on each, replaced motors, and even tore down to test hall sensors on both! Two day prep time...4 hours wheel time. Day and half of therapy. Nothing else in life bothers me anymore! Gaza, Ukraine, Donald Trump! Great analysis Adam. Brilliant human you are. You could do a shout out to tech support. I would be stoked to get your view down that rabbit hole!
Great video. Is there anything in regard to the battery to be concerned with or watch out for when riding the older Inmotion V8?
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none of these things should be controversial at all, they're basic standards that pretty much all other pev companies are held to segway/ninebot really needs to get back into the euc market and show people how quality construction is done
I have been saying this for years, that having a Smart BMS is the way to go. I have installed SmartBMS in all batteries I have built during the years. Because how can you otherwise tell that maybe something starting to go wrong? A couple of years ago Samsung had a problem with their 18650 30Q cells that was widely used for DIY batterybuilds on ebikes, electric longboards and so on. But then people started to discover that some cells just started to drain, and offcourse it drained all the cells that was connected in parallel with it... Not fun att all :( That is not the same problem that this LG M50T has, but still, a problem-battery that should be avoided.
Thanks! This is helpful. It looks like the V14 will be in my future. The Extreme seems good too but it doesn't have the water rating. And since this seems like it will be a long term kind of purchase, the V14 makes the most sense. Can you (or have you) make a video about lifting a 40 Kg (80 Lbs) wheel onto busses or placing in a car?
I was wonderong what the typical milage you can get out of the lifetime of a EUC? Im looking to buy one but it has to be super water resistant and very reliable as it will be my main commuter. Any recommendations?
Companion PDF Spreadsheet available here:
wrongway.info/comparisons-1
EDIT:
I made a very significant error in terms of Smart BMS on King-Song wheels. The only EUCs at King-Song currently which do have a smart BMS are the S16, S19 and S22 line-up.
Their smaller wheels DO NOT have a Smart BMS. I apologize for my mistake and I’ll add a pinned comment to that video as well as cut out necessary parts. For some reason I mistakingly saw options of smart BMS on the 16S app and I didn’t do my research well enough. Most probably I connected to S16 while 16S was also available my KS app and it turns out it’s too easy to misclick 🙈
Exatamente o que eu iria sugerir a tabela :) obrigado thanks
There are "Dalej" and "Wstecz" at the bottom of the comparison table. I'm now learning Polish 😂
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Thanks for this video
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It's not a criticism, but you can enrich this table, maybe find a way to make filters on the columns
Another ideas is put some kind of index of your videos on this website. A lot of work, but than you can have all yours videos separated by subject, people will watch your videos more
Just ideas man, thank you so much for your work for the EUC community, it's always an excellent contribution
I just wanted to say it would be easier to compare if we can see a table….and you thought of that first. 😊
Not gonna lie, the way you negotiated this mine field was pretty impressive. You kept it fact based, explained your methodology, then applied it to the EUC market without fear or favour. I hope manufacturers and EUC riders apply the standards you've laid out because both would benefit, riders with better wheels and manufacturers with better sales. 👍
Wow now I can't even sell my commander because you told everyone not to buy it😢 guess I'll just ride it till it explodes😅
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Record that happening 😂
Nice that Adam gives attention to ease of tire change. So much EUC information in one video.
Thanks! This video is PACKED
You put a lot of work into this video, thanks. The spreadsheets are very useful too! Lastly, it’s impressive that you are limiting the wheels you will review, that might cost you money but you are trying to make a meaningful change in the industry that you clearly love.
Agreed - It's good to set high standards, especially with EUCs. Like a helicopter, failure is not an option.
Inmotion v12hs is solid, blew 1st gen motherboard, got 2nd gen motherboard in warranty - works good now. Stock waterproofing is good, the wheel is dry and no dust on the inside, 6k km. Axle is fine, no issues 90kg rider
Sounds like a familiar story with my V12HT. I had the motherboard, controller and the batteries replaced just before the warranty ran out on mine. Luckily I was just starting out my ride and I was going very slow when I heard a warning, stopped and the wheel started smoking. I recorded it as proof and for prosperity's sake. Another rider in the group wasn't so lucky, he was already going at a fair speed, didn't hear the warning, which BTW leaves you with very little time to react, and he went flying. Five of us have V12s (one HS and the rest HTs) and 4 of us have had to replace its inner workings, but once replaced, all the wheels are fine.
Just ordered the V14 on Friday (50S) as my first wheel, this video is a nice confirmation that I did not choose the wrong wheel :) Thanks 💚💚
V14 looks ludacris on accel/torque ❤ totally opposite of my Sherman, even my tesla 1.2 is zippier out of corners due to smaller wheel diameter and (to some extent) less weight. Watching v14 closely, if chooch and marty agree, i might sell all eucs and get that one
But doing burnouts on gravel, thats a first for me. Stairs up/down and intermediate stops..same thing. Imagine if ze germans would make a EUC or why not Tesla ❤ THEN we will be close to EUC heaven
Great to see someone considering sensible quality-of-life concerns rather than just singing the praises of the latest bigger, faster, more expensive wheel with no concern for what it will be like after 6 months of hard use in bad weather.
Damn never knew people watched wrongway because of his fabulous hair and here I was thinking that I watched him due to his riding and reviews 😂
Who would’ve thought!
@@mr_wrongway if eucs had haircuts they would go berserk 😆
I LOVE this video BUT you forgot one thing... WHY does nobody (except inmotion maybe?) provide a way to lock the damn wheel????? Literally anybody can get on your wheel and ride off!! All high end scooters have at least a pin lock, some keys, some nfc cards SOMETHING. This is absolutely absurd to me especially on these £4000 wheels, there must be a strong focus on security/anti-theft
Agree but that’s a different topic video :) King-Song has this function too ;)
@@mr_wrongway I feel like KingSong has a weird system about that. Because when it is locked you may turn off the weel, then when you move it is not beeping :D
If you replace the upper section with handle it resets the password. Atleast it did with mind
Cue benny bill show intro. How often has a thief pushed someone over, jumped on an just rode away? Maybe it would make sense to slap an airtag in a hidden place to be able to recover it.
its basically cause you never leave/lock the wheel anywhere outside your home anyways. its too easy, even with a way to stop ppl from starting the wheel, to just pick it up and carry it away to their car or wherever. so its not really needed. my dad is an old motorcycle rider and he once told me a "funny" story: thieves used to steal super heavy harley davidson bikes weighing hundreds of kilos by just getting 2 skateboards and lifting up the wheels on them and rolling it away. doesnt even matter if its locked then :D how easy woudlnt it be to steal a tiny little euc then ;D never leave it unseen!
At the end of the day, everyone has to decide for themselves which euc they want or what is important to them.
If someone is not yet so experienced in this area, this video can certainly help them.
Thanks for the video, great job as always 😊
Agree! Thanks for watching :) thanks for being a TH-cam Member!
Thank you so much for the awesome video. I'm looking at the V14. It seems to be the best of the bunch. That has all the safety features you speak of. Thank you once again.
Hi Adam, great video again. I really appreciate that you are using your platform for putting the hard facts out there, tha in 2024 these EUC manufacturers absolutely should not be selling any wheels without a smart BMS from now on, & there is absolutely no excuse for it.
Old guy here (72 years old), started with a V8F in August 2021, only 2475 km since it's just a part time hobby for me. I only ride on paved bike trails or private streets near my home. I weigh about 90 kg with gear. I'm in decent shape, doing free weights and cardio. I'm considering 18XL or Molicel P42A S18. Issues, 18XL has the smaller axle. S18 - the handle is reported to be weak, an issue if lifting S18 by the handle, but I only need to lift it to put on stand or to put on passenger door seal on my car (2 seater, so I transport in passenger foot well with top resting on towel covered seat). S18 - how time consuming and what issues are there if tire change is needed on the S18? S18- constant maintenance, lubing suspension, checking bolts, ... .
I like how you are able to be completely yourself including the hair great job Adam 🤙
Thanks Lee!
As a first time rider I just bought a V10F, which looks pretty bad based on your criteria, but most of the wheels that fit are much more expensive. I don't have a problem spending a good bit on something to get quality, but at the same time I'd like to know how I enjoy riding it first before I decide which bigger wheel to invest in. I could have gone for an even cheaper wheel like a V5 or V8, but I wanted one that would have a bit more power and be a little bit more capable since I'm a heavier rider at nearly 100kg.
This video will be on my mind when/if I decide to upgrade to a bigger and better wheel once I've gotten experience under my belt.
I'm loving this channel. You totally inspired me to start this hobby in Germany as well one year ago! Thanks a lot!!
The S22 is easy to waterproof in regards to the batteries. I have ridden my wheel in the rain, and power washed it many times. But yeah, you gotta be careful. (when power washing, remove the suspension through bolt at the top (one that has handles), and the top 6 bolts (IIRC) then you can pull the wheel apart. But the mobo inside a plastic bag, silicone (if you haven't already) the two holes for the light wires. Stuff a sock into each of the battery wire holes and then blast down. When replacing everything, if you do a small bead of silicone around the battery wire hole it holds really well.)
It sounds like a lot, but you can dismantle the S22 to this stage and do silicon and everything and reassemble before you can get the wheel out of a Nikol+ or V12.
Excellent video. Thank you for sharing your vast knowledge and expertise regarding all these wheels. There's no one like you and you couldn't be replaced.
I was shaking my head in disappointment last night while watching a LYNX video that has the fuse mounted inline with the battery (which is good) but no xt90 connection between the fuse and the battery (which is very bad). The battery lead should have a connector BEFORE the fuse so that while working on (or replacing) the fuse, the mechanic is not vulnerable to shock because the fuse holder is at full voltage potential even though the battery is disconnected!
The shielded side of the connector should be on the ‘hot’ side of the junction, then the ‘male’ side should be on the load side, then the fuse holder. Especially since the fuse holder is “designed” to open using a flathead screwdriver!
If you’ve never seen a 12v car battery short its leads, go look now! Then imagine an 80volt short to ground through your body.😢 Some of the minor details in these flawed design/assembly processes can mind blowing.
Also, there are “safer” protocols for handling and managing used wheels but no one gets clicks for spreading this info, which is understandable.
BMS features are also very minimal. The minimum requirement I have BEFORE I will ever buy a ‘new’ wheel is that I want a programmable alarm on each cell, in each pack, that notifies my if the temperature profile of that individual cell has changed more than 2-5% over the life of the packs. This will allow me to change out the programmatic cells preemptively, which reduces harm/degradation to the entire pack.
I LOVE this content! Used wheels are awesome, I’ve got 6! But I wouldn’t recommend them to anyone unless they fully understand the preventative measures that need to be strictly adhered to.
If anyone has suggestions on charging and maintaining vulnerable models, please add below.
Recommendations for used wheels:
1) For older models without BMS balancing, NEVER charge to 100% SOC (state of charge). If damage has occurred, a full charge will just accelerate the cumulative damage. Just get the PIDzoom ‘Charger Enhancer’ and limit the peak voltage to the level at which the battery has no internal voltage losses over a 1-week period. {this needs more expansion but it’s just an example}.
There’s dozens more ideas… anyone?
I'm still amazed by v11's water resistance, now at 8800km. It's been through two winters already, not to mention rains. At 7500 i had changing the tire process (for winter one), and it turned out that the bearing grease was still in pristine out-the-box condition. It took riding through the sudden knee-deep pool of water to spoil that grease.
But i have no idea if these qualities transferred to v11y.
With all the disqualifications, would still love to see wheel reviews that do not meet your standard, as a heavier wheel would be great for my commute, waterproofing not mattering in dryer countries, or very light people on 'bad axles'.
There is no Perfect product. Happy user of sherman s for about 2.5 years here, fool proof wheel for me. I would totaly recomend it if someone can deal with its weight. Range, speed, stability are strong aspects of sherman S. Video is more like about awarnes of problems of current euc's and things we should watch out for. Good for us someone rise our voices in order to increase safety of our beloved vehicles :) Keep screaming Adam :D
For on field weatherproofing is great backpack cover 20L-25L size. Easy to buy in any outdoor store.
19:22 the V11Y is even harder to work on because the raptor controller requires you to take apart more things to be able to disconnect it and you have to cut zip ties and re-route wires just right.
Because of things mentioned by Adam (waterpfoofing especially) - no authority does take EUC's seriously, like a vehicle which should be considered among public transport. We (riders/ customers) have to demand this from manufaturers. Then we will aproach much faster the day when any country will put EUC out of the law grey zone into just common transport vehicles.
GREAT video, GREAT research and presentation and even with a non riding video, NICE energy and editing. Adam, you are consistently awesome.
Thank you !!!
I broke axle on my Commander 1 generation after 5k kilometers. There is no way to fix it other that buying a new motor, what I did. Now I ride it as gentle as I can, no jumping, hard landing, etc. But Im sure it will brake again after another thousands of miles. Just a matter of time.
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You forgot to leave a link to the spreadsheet
I worked on the Inmotion V12 to replace the rim. You're right, it is tough to work on. Many many screws. But if you have a great management system for the screws and record the order of disassembly, it will be less painful to repair.
Given the hair. I just realized why the channel is called wrong way :D
I have an inmotion v8, no cell balancing. After 7k+ km, two pairs of cells were out of balance, reducing range a lot. After manually balancing them several times, I changed them, using a cheap spot welder, using salvaged cells from scooters I found online that I capacity tested with a lithium charger. That was a few weeks ago and so far it's holding up. That wheel would be truly amazing if it had a smart BMS. I've learnt a lot along the way. I'm also on my second charger, the first one eventually just died. Also on my second tube. First tyre. Probably c.10k km now?
Well put together video and info. I’m starting out and this really helps narrow my choice
My first and only EUC has been the V11 (over 8,700 miles) and the suspension drives me CRAZY. Always losing pressure on one side...I pump it up before going out, and it's almost gone by the end of my ride. Thankfully, I live near EUCO, so I hope to have that little issue fixed in the near future. Looking really hard at the V14 for my next ride. 🤞
its easy to replace the shock absorber for a new one.
Smart BMS must be a standard for EUCs. Even for small ones (last mile EUCs).
Absolutely !!!
You are right my friend. On my inmotion V8f the axle broke twice. After the first time broke I had to order the whole wheel (tyre, wheel,motor) all together set that cost me a lot of money. After ten months the new one broke again. I’m not a guy who does jumps and flashy tricks. What a bitty cause it’s a nice feeling wheel.
I live in Southern California and have a V8S. I want a Lynx but still researching if I might have problems with being street legal. So far it appears as if what I already have is pushing the legal limits.
Thanks for the warning about the S22 waterproofing issue. Where I live we get about 40meters of rain a year.
Requires further thought.
This is why the Begode T4 is the perfect wheel for me, especially concerning maintenance. Obviously I would love a smart BMS and a water resistance rating, however as a budget rider it was really the best thing I could get. I hate sacrificing safety, but it's better than not being able to ride at all :)
This was refreshing since I am a bit tired of youtubers saying every wheel is "the best wheel ever" these days. More youtubers need to point out weaknesses if the developers is going to improve. For me it is very important to for example knowing how easy a wheel is to take apart and work on, since im no good at that stuff.
Adam when you mention axle strength my first issue with my sherman og was a strange affect where there was a lot of radio waves that locked up my wheel when I was walking it that lowered my confidence in EUCs as this rare problem hit my wheel. Second issue was a bent wheel that wheel is so weak and I had to replace it after I went up a curb at 10mph in an accident avoidance move. When you say axle don’t forget the wheel Strength if you know that to include that in future spreadsheet.
I’m sorry about your trouble :/ radio wave cut off sounds horrible :/ weak rims suck as well, agree :/
I don't get all the criticism with the hair, can't he just have the hair how he likes it?
Thank you for another great video!
Thank you! And thanks for watching! :)
Of course he can. Still looks goofy as hell.
But I am here for the information and his fantastic riding skills.
He did mention something about mental issues in another video then I noticed the hair.
Seems these things go together.
Wish him the best and am still here for the videos.
It is what it is.
@@ItsNotMeItsYou007 Apparently your name is ironic. Good to know.
@@space.youtube Why? Even if you are correct, how does it help you?
Many thanks for all your great work and time to share all that with us 😉 I have chosen a Kinsong S19, hope I will enjoy it as a regular rider.
This is the content I have been looking to get.
You’re welcome 🫡
Hey Adam. I was looking at the newest euc’s and except for the Falcon they all have smart BMS’s. I think you might be having a positive effect!! Thanks.
My first wheel was the KingSong s22 pro. Before ordering I didn’t know about the shrink wrap , but it had a smart bms.
My next wheel was the extreme because I sat down and asked what I wanted out of a wheel long term.
I think this critica for reviewing a wheel is good 👍
Even though I don't have a smart BMS, I think this video has reaffirmed my decision to get a begode T4. I have 2000mi on it, and don't plan on getting rid of it any time soon. When I finally have a major issue, like needing new suspension rods I'll probably get a used ET Max or extreme.
It should also be mentioned that LG have been recalling there batteries in different products that are not transportation related
Correct! Like the Kia EV
It would be super cool for you to test the EB Commander Pro 50S - checks all these boxes EXCEPT the waterproofing, and maybe maintenance. I haven't had to tear her apart yet. :) You are awesome!
Thanks for the recommendation. No smart bms - no review :/ thanks you’re awesome too!
A unicycle with smart BMS is a smart choice.
So about axle, this is an engineering thing that you might not see as a user.
Theres a few things that can break or bend when overloading a wheel (using it outside recomendation i.e. doing 5m jumps, hitting a kerb with 1.5bar aso.
1. Tyre/hose
2. Axle
3. Bearing
1&3 = face plant
2 = squeeking or rubbing but you'll live
Get it?
I hope you will review the ET Max. I rode one briefly and fell in love with it instantly.
I’m contemplating about it. It seems way too heavy for me :/
I find the V11 fairly easy to tinker with. So looks like I'll be good when I soon get my Lynx 🙂
Begode: This manufacturer used LG M50T cells in various models including the MSuper Pro (MSP), RS, and Nikola. These models have faced issues and even recalls due to safety concerns with these batteries (VROOOMIN).
Extreme Bull: This brand's Commander model is equipped with a substantial 3600WH battery pack using LG M50T 21700 cells. It is known for its long range and robust performance (VROOOMIN) (FreeMotion).
True the Commander did have the LGs briefly - that sucks
Well, I wanted to say that Gotway MSX is quite waterproof (rainproof) - no water inside, but some dust after thousands of kms. And I do love the very end of the movie :)
I want to get the begode a2 or the falcon. The v5f was great for $450 but I'm ready for more offroad action on a smaller wheel. Need it small for space.
You already have a v5f, get a falcon. An A2 won't be enough of a step up and has no suspension
@Corn8Bit true. I'm selling my v5f for $350 to go towards the flacon tho. I want one wheel for all around for my new job.
V14
@@jomme918 if I had the money for sure. But also I need ao.ething less intimidating when I'm in town 😓
I have used an cheap Airwheel EUC that I bought new in China for only 100$ 10 years ago. The 16S1P batterypack died after a few years, then I built a new batterypack with some premium Samsung cells, and it has worked fine since then. But this year I wanted to buy a more useful wheel that I can use for going around town. I found a used Gotway Tesla 1 with the 20S4P 1020Wh battery (Panasonic 18650GA cells) I got it for 400$. It works just fine. Seems to charge to full, no problem and have good range. But it does not have an SmartBMS, so I do not really know how the battery health is. If I discover problems with the battery in the future, I will probably build a new battery with Molicel P30B cells and install with an SmartBMS like the other packs I built for EVs.
Yesterday my Begode Master was power OFF at about maximum speed. Paineble, but without broken bones, safety helmets and knee pads
Oh my :( I’m so sorry to hear that :(
Thank you so much for the thorough investigation and the precious downloadable sheet. I want buy an inmotion V11Y for my first EUC this winter or the next spring, and it seems the more safe to ride in the price range of 2000€ or so. I want to commute to work even in the rainy days so the IP rating it's a deal braker for me.
Just changed my first tire yesterday ( on a v11). It was a nightmare, I gave up after disassemble and assembled it the next day so effectively you have to get a day off like Adam mentioned 😅
I feel you! Get well soon! 😊
I remember wanting to upgrade to a V11 from a 14D. Saw the tire change videos and backtracked immediately. The hardest thing on the 14d is just removing the pads! The v11 looks like you need a degree in engineering to de/reassemble. Same with the v12. Even once you know what you’re doing it’s still a nightmare to run maintenance on the fly.
Nice content, i'm new in euc sports. Luckily my 1st wheel is lynx
When it comes to water proofing, i think the biggest thing is just keep a wet wheel upright. The only water issues i heard for the v12 were people who rode through rain and than put it down on the kickstand. Once it was tipped back water managed to get somewhere bad.
I agree and I try to keep it upright. But come one! We need better quality of waterproofing which includes use of standard parts
@@mr_wrongway True that, also the fact that using the built in kickstand was not a route they thought to protect from water? Seems a little silly.
Great video Adam!
Very useful content, thank you! (Inmotion V11 user)
Thanks for watching! :)
Actually riding a heavier wheel as a daily makes all the other wheels feel so much lighter.
It’s a workout! That’s true. For me with the V13 my knees started to hurt, similar with the Sherman-S
Hello Adam, after a long time now I started watching your channel again. Can I ask you about your hair style? Why? What was the motivation for this new style? Thanks.
Welcome again! What’s your motivation for your hairstyle? Maybe that you like it and you like the way it looks on you?
Thanks for this - I think it's an important video and really clear. I can definitely see myself sending jt to someone asking for wheel recommendations. I want to see manufacturers and riders focusing more on longevity and sustainability.
I still love my secondhand 16X but I wouldn't recommend anyone buy one new tbh. I want to upgrade to something with smart BMS, and then what the heck do we do with all these old wheels 🗑️🔋😔
Wrong Way: I rode over 80 wheels
Me: There are 80 wheels? I am new to the hobby so I didn't know it was that many...I thought it was like 40+ wheels or whatever EWheels have listed on their site
There’s also older wheels that are not listed anymore. I’ll list them up some day and make the stats available. It’s all data from my vids :)
Well, I had my V12 catch fire 🔥. They obviously do not travel well, a lot of shaking in my work truck. I miss it, it was so fun but that event changed my mind.
Oh my, I’m so sorry to hear that. Are you ok?
@@mr_wrongway I’m doing good. Thanks for the concern.
how or why did it catch fire?? Just from vibration in the truck? That doesn't sound right . Do you know what cells you had in the battery?
Need details, my man. Did your V12 catch fire while riding? Charging? Sitting in your truck? After heavy rain? Low battery? After opening it up?
@@EVILyangkuang it still had 90% battery charge on it. Rode it the night before with no issues. Thinking it was either the combination of the tie down I used to keep it upright behind the passenger seat, the movement of the truck or it could have been the wiring coming from the hub that shorted out.
All I remember was my cellphone connected to it and the speakers were on, I heard an electrical pop and hiss and could smell one of the batteries burning with a touch of grey smoke.
Took the unit outside, turned it on and the battery level was down to 40%. Turned it off and then thermal runaway occurred and the whole unit caught on fire. Luckily it was outside when it happened.
Thank you for your video, you are the one that I trust, because you already test a lots of brands.
I honestly think that Inmotion V14 is a great option, because is cheaper than other models, is easy to disassembly, have a great waterproof IP.
Thanks a lot for your effort!!!!!
@@Rapha194 si suena bien, pero después de ver varios videos sobre la calidad que tenía Begode, es lo que me hace alejarme de ellos, saludos
Thank you!
Thing is, what youre saying is i need to soend a fortune, and ive never ridden on before.
yea nice video, by my oppinion surprisingly not too much subjective! good job! agree wit everything, but as he said it is eweryones own decidion.
Dang, mentioned S19 and S20 but EX30 gets no love?? 😭😂
BTW Inmotion is now doing a return campaign of all their v11Ys due to faulty Smart BMS, which prevented normal battery charging. Maybe they will also fix the huge holes under controller radiator too, who knows.
Thanks for your insight!
Where to buy replacement battery pack for my Nikola Plus ? Never found online store to buy battery pack.
Contact Begode directly facebook.com/wendycao297
I too forget that the commander mini exist sometimes
You should add the rear bumper protector to the v14 rear battery pack it comes in the box. Like the one on the front battery packs
Yes agree! I forgot to do it yet :)
I can’t bring myself to spend over 2000 dollars for a first wheel
It’s for practice and learning and if I want to go further then I can decide to pay more and upgrade
I think I’m gonna go for the InMotion V8S
I know that I will probably outgrow it within a few months
But it’s 800 dollars for a reasonably good wheel
I'm a heavier rider, so I went with a V10F, but my reasoning was the same. Learn to ride and discover what I like, then spend the bigger money on the one I'll keep long term.
Thx for the vid and your knowledge. I have three wheels you mentioned in your video but none of them are the Commodes. Hair, really not you...just my opinion.
Thanks so much for the objective, informative content along with your great riding videos! Safety and reliability should be more emphasized in EUC designs. Cut-outs need to be engineered out and waterproofing, customization, tire changes, part swapping and recycling designed in.
this convinced me to buy a bicycle
I totally get it.
with what is being charged for these "toys" there should rarely be problems. spending 5000 dollars and suffering down time with associated costs is a huge barrier to sales.(or should be)
very informative video 👍
Basicly you dont recommend any smaller light wheels?
The King-Song ones are ok but beware of the axle. I have a 14D myself and I won’t live without it :)
FYI Leaperkim has an independent IPX6 waterproof rating on the Lynx - which is even better, credibility-wise, than IM's in-house testing 🤠
Oh! I didn’t know about that, I need to do my research better.
I have the inmotion v12 and v11 and done at least four tire changes on each, replaced motors, and even tore down to test hall sensors on both! Two day prep time...4 hours wheel time. Day and half of therapy.
Nothing else in life bothers me anymore! Gaza, Ukraine, Donald Trump!
Great analysis Adam. Brilliant human you are.
You could do a shout out to tech support. I would be stoked to get your view down that rabbit hole!
V14 only leaks in charge port area , but it was under a foot of water... Lol
Great video. Is there anything in regard to the battery to be concerned with or watch out for when riding the older Inmotion V8?
none of these things should be controversial at all, they're basic standards that pretty much all other pev companies are held to
segway/ninebot really needs to get back into the euc market and show people how quality construction is done
Thanks!
Thank you!
two wheeled eucs - Inmotion you are a bloody laff....)
Awesome video my man super informative and detailed thanks so much for the knowledge just 🔥 😊👍
The V14 is actually one of the easiest wheels to maintain, if not the easiest.
Adam is still adam regardless of the hair
I have been saying this for years, that having a Smart BMS is the way to go. I have installed SmartBMS in all batteries I have built during the years. Because how can you otherwise tell that maybe something starting to go wrong? A couple of years ago Samsung had a problem with their 18650 30Q cells that was widely used for DIY batterybuilds on ebikes, electric longboards and so on. But then people started to discover that some cells just started to drain, and offcourse it drained all the cells that was connected in parallel with it... Not fun att all :( That is not the same problem that this LG M50T has, but still, a problem-battery that should be avoided.
Thanks! This is helpful. It looks like the V14 will be in my future. The Extreme seems good too but it doesn't have the water rating. And since this seems like it will be a long term kind of purchase, the V14 makes the most sense.
Can you (or have you) make a video about lifting a 40 Kg (80 Lbs) wheel onto busses or placing in a car?
I was wonderong what the typical milage you can get out of the lifetime of a EUC? Im looking to buy one but it has to be super water resistant and very reliable as it will be my main commuter. Any recommendations?
So, if you could only buy one wheel and one wheel only, that checks all the boxes, would you buy the V14?
I really like you didn’t hate s18 too much😅