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The 801, purely based on my budget. It sounds like a great offering but I’m confused how an amp can produce less bass than something equally powered from another vendor. I’ve owned nothing but Yamaha since the 80’s so I haven’t thought I was missing anything until this morning.
I have the RX-V1085 and noticed it's hard to get good bass even with 2 SVS PB-2000 PRO'S , but even after saying this I can't wait for the RX-A6A to be available. Always been a huge yamaha fan!!
@@SeanVedell It can come down to the circuit design and other factors beyond just Watts per channel. That said, I wouldn't sweat it. If you like what you have, stick with it. You're not missing anything.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews I’ve mastered the Yamaha on-screen menus and settings labyrinth. Talk about your 10,000 hours! 🙄 Ain’t no way I’m switching brands and giving up that hard earned knowledge.
I tested a Yamaha A-S801 side by side a McIntosh MA8900 and Anthem STR Amp in a treated room with B&W, Paradigm and Magico speakers. If you have the ability to do such a test, you will learn what law of diminishing return really means. The A-S801 is a beast and powered the high-end speakers with no sweat whatsoever. Outside of minimal volume knob position between the 3, there was no difference in how well the $1000 A-S801 performed vs the $5-$6000 amps did.
Thank you! Your response is ten times what this ridiculous review was supposed to be. I am very happy with the power delivery of the A-S801. I only wish the bass dial was set to the 100Hz.
@@MichaelJamesWood Hello, I’m not sure what your issue is with the bass knob. What would starting at 100hz do? Sorry….. might be a dumb question. I’m looking to my my first home receiver or integrated amp.
Great review and dialogue you two! I am 63, and have rocked a Marantz 1060 integrated since I was 17. I wanted a change and tried the Cambridge AX100. It was very good, but I felt my old 1060 bettered it in terms of soundstage, even with the old caps being long in the tooth. I considered the 801, and others, but decided to purchase the A-S1200. The 100% analog design appealed to me, as well as the sheer heft of this piece of gear (48.5 lbs). The meters are cool, but I love the sound after 100 hours, and it is getting even better IMO. At my age and after trying to practice deferred gratification over the years, I bought what I really wanted, and am very happy with my purchase! Love your work, Andrew and Kristi.
Ah ! Yamaha amps with meters - I once owned the CA-810 which i adored. My present one is the predecessor to your A-S1200 - the A-S1100 which barely fits in my hifi tower with its depth. 😀
I sold Yamaha amp years ago when the yamaha introduced the loudness control, it was introduced to enhance bass naturally. All other amps would have a "loudness" button you would press at low volume to bump up the bass (a bass boost). So Yamaha came up with the idea of rolling off the mids and highs instead. Its work like this, you crank up the volume and get a nice bass tone going and then you use the loudness control to roll back the mids and highs thus bringing down the amp to a lower listen level but allowing the amp to drive the bass with full current going to it, thus no artificial boost but yet a strong bass response. Its quite a brilliant idea and works well when you understand what it does and how to teak it. It's great with klipsch speakers that can be a bit forward in it projection of sound. The loudness control helps tame that. This also help with speakers that have low bass output because you drive a lot of current to the bass.
This feature is so nice. Especially living in an apartment. Mine gets hot though, if the volume knob goes up to like 2 o clock with the loudness down almost all the way, I start to get a little worried.
I initially bought the Cambridge Audio CXA80 and was not impressed. Perhaps the sound was too warm for my tastes. After some research, I decided to give the A-S801 a try. I did an A to B comparison with both amps and as soon as I plugged in the Yamaha, my old Polks came to life. Without making any tone adjustments, the sound was much more lively than the Cambridge amp. I kept the Cambridge network streamer and sent the amp back. I added an SVS sub to the mix to fill out my system. For a budget stereo, I'm pleased with the sound.
Yamaha A-S801 is the best in the price range, especially for those who begin to listen music seriously and like to have a number of analogue and digital sources. Great review. I like the way you present. Thanks.
For those of you asking about Pure Direct Mode, here are my thoughts: Pure Direct Mode will be most noticeable if you are currently using Yamaha’s tone controls at which point this disables all of them without you needing to manually adjust them back to neutral. In that respect, the difference will be very noticeable. Now if you aren’t using the tone controls and you hit Pure Direct, there maybe a slight improvement in quality specifically with detail and some top end smoothness, but if you don’t feel the difference is night and day, you’re not wrong. The difference is subtle. It doesn’t suddenly turn the amp into something completely different. I personally believe that because the sound cuts out briefly when engaged, that this could lead to a perception that something more impressive has occurred. All that said, I didn’t find it detrimental. For the record, most of my time evaluating this amp was done with Pure Direct on, so what I describe in my review is what I experienced with PD activated.
I'll add a further caveat and that's the way its used. I've currently got a Yamaha RN602 with a pair of Yamaha two way speakers and sub. I listen to this in my office for hours a day in the background. I listen to everything, it all sounds just fine. Not epic, not awful, just fine. Under these conditions, PD makes no difference but the rotary loudness control sure does elevate the sound at background listening volumes. I never used the loudness control in the main listening space when it was installed there because listening levels were much greater. I guess everyone's experience will vary in this respect according to their application.
A great man once said, “There are no dumb questions.” So here goes: Are changes to the Tone and Loudness controls noticeable when listening through headphones?
I know! This video is old. I'm old. Who cares? I saw this video yesterday. The 801 was the only receiver that checked 100% of my boxes. You convinced me it was the way to go. I saw a local add for used one in black. Called the gentleman. Wonderful guy. Loves audio. He got a whole new system and sold me his prestine 801 for $450. I hooked up my 45 year old ADS 701s that I restomodded. Absolutely love the 801! That you for the content!
In my two year journey for a good system. I stopped off with a S801 for quite a while. I really liked this amp. For the money it is really good. If you look closely at the knobs, they are plastic, very good plastic, vs metal on the more expensive Yamaha units. Got to give up something to get something. If you are looking for a sub $1000 amp, give it a listen. Andrew didn't like the look of the knobs when off twelve o'clock, but then it is a great visual reminder as to what EQ that you have dialed in. Swings and round about.
I have the Yamaha A-S701 in black and I'm happy with it. I cannot imagine to have an amplifier in my room looking like a small CD-player. An amplifier should look like one. ;-)
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And î want visual beautys : VU s, analyzers, Tone controls...İ ' ll never buy today's ugly bricks...
Kristi convinced me, I don't think the A-S801 would be that significant step up for me as a RX-V6A/TSR-700 owner. Plus, I'm not ready to give up the dream of owning a Yamaha amplifier with meters! Good review as I'm walking away from this video more decisive the direction I want to go if I upgrade my system further.
Same here. Love my yahama trs-700. Atmos sounds amazing and my music sounds much better than my prior sony es receiver. Been extremely happy with my purchase.
The 801 makes far more practical bang for the buck sense than Yamaha's more expensive integrateds. The 1200 is the 1st step on Yamaha's stairway to diminishing returnville, but what a lovely step it is.
This review simulates real purchasing phase before deciding what audio gear that suits the best (price-performance-usefulness) in our daily life, kind of true to life event.
I SMILED when I heard Andrew mentioned Audiolab 6000A. I can’t wait for the Audiolab 6000A review. Please include how it sounds thru Bluetooth connection. And comparisons to Cambridge Audio AXR100, Rotel A11 Tribute. Thank u. 😀🌈
This clearly shows how differently everyone's ears hear things differently. This is why you should listen to what makes your ears happy and not what the majority always spouts. Good to hear different opinions on this amp. I have it and absolutely love it!
Does the Yamaha 801 sound good through headphones? Does it have a dedicated headphone amp? Does it need one? Are the tone and loudness still noticeable?
I agree with Kristi, v6a would be a better all around product especially since it has front pre-outs so you can get a better amp later for 2 channel listening. That plus it having basic room correction which would be superior to a couple tone control knobs. Honestly I feel like this would be a really good topic for a video as I feel like I can't be the only one who thinks getting a stereo AVR is pointless when you can get a multi channel AVR and it does more especially room correction which most stereo AVRs don't have despite most people's rooms not being perfect. Edit: although most audiophiles are probably anti room correction ie EQ
Great review! I really enjoy Kristi’s perspective on these. Partly because I believe that her hearing and mine may have some similarities based on some of her preferences. Also it’s always good to have multiple perspectives in reviews. Andrew is sometimes a bit more measured. I appreciate both views.
Fantastic review and intriguing discussion. I’ve a b listened to the 801 and 1200. I opted for the 1200 and have it here in my lounge. For me, the 801 was good, but the 1200 represented a significant step in terms of refinement, detail and dynamics. The 801 just didn’t move me in the same way…there is a fluidity to the sound of the 1200 too which is so compelling for me. As a post script, I’ve also owned the audiolab 6000 a…it’s something special as here in the uk it’s only £599. Gave me a real insight into the high end world…hence upgrading to the 1200. Once again…fab production…thank you both.
I owned a 6000a play and found it was too lean and thin. The punch was there but the punch didn’t have weight. Highs mid was the same very detailed but without weight and color… Is the 1200 „weightier“ than 6000a ?
@@andreassouth1523 having a b tested these two amps, there really is no comparison…the 801 is great at its price point, but the as1200 is a step up in terms of refinement, tonality, detail retrieval, soundstage, imaging, and last but not least, dynamically in a different league.
Anyone know how the Yamaha 801 sounds through headphones? Does it have a dedicated headphone amp? Does it need one? Are the tone and loudness still noticeable?
I've got an A-S700 (no digital inputs, 90w pc) on a secondary system and I think it was the best all-around choice for my needs and budget at the time I bought it. I've always loved the control features on Yamaha integrated amps and receivers. I even like the rectangular knobs. It's still running a pair of JBL L-100s that I bought in the mid-70's . Edit: I'd buy a Yamaha A-S1200 in a minute if I could afford it - even though I'm giving up my cherished loudness control.
That loudness control on my 801 is the reason I would not want the 1200. Low level listening through my Linton 85’s using that loudness knob is a feature I have gotten very used to. And not found on any of the competing amps.
@@4thewinir344 How do headphones sound thru your Yamaha A-801? Do you think it needs an external dedicated headphone amp attached to it to get great sound?
I use this amp paired with a powered sub and Tekton Enzo 2.7 Speakers, Technics 50th anniversary turntable and Ortofon Blue cartridge/stylus. Sounds marvelous! I listen to everything from Americana, pop punk to death metal. Works with all of those sounds.
I have this amp with a pair of Martin Logan ESLs and a Martin Logan dynamo 700 sub and it has a great immersive soundstage, and really brings to life the clarity and detail of the ESLs. I listen to very complex music - prog rock, jazz-fusion, Indian classical music - all known for their subtlety and intricacies - I can listen to this set up without any listening fatigue, for hours on end.
Yes you're analysis is spot on...And I sure you listen in Pure Direct mode, which was completely omitted from this review, which means it is an incomplete one. The Soundstage this Amp produces is that of separates in my opinion. I was listening to an earlier Miles Davis cut and the placement of the musicians was eerily spaced!! The Bass is in this Amp for sure...it won't make a speaker rated at 45hz sound like one rated at 25hz like my KLH Kendalls. Which is why speaker choice should be intentional to pair with the AS-801. When it comes to how this AMP resolves layers in all kinds of music...you are again spot on....simply fantastic for the money. One of my favorite tracks to hear such resolve is Andreas Vollenwiedr's "Pyramid in the wood in the bright light". Its simply sublime. And I have found that contrary to whatever the Robinsons say, this AMP sounds better after about a good two weeks of playing.
I love Yamaha! I've been buying Yamaha amps and receivers since the late 70s. I presently have a 7.2 Yamaha A/V receiver that I purchased in 2012 a long with a Klipsch 7.1 speaker system. Both are still going strong to this day! I have no complaints about Yamaha amps and receivers or Klipsch speakers.
"once you move those dials" it's readily apparent from afar that you've been messing with the tone and balance - a far more reliable and elegant visual feedback approach than having a big glowing screen tell you what's going on (after diving through menus). A perfect alarm if the kids keep knocking the bass and treble out of whack....
I purchased the Yamaha A-S301 months ago and use a tube preamplifier with Bluetooth 5.0 for music listening. I think it sounds great and gives me the option to audition speaker pairs with the A and B channels as well as with 4.1 channel stereo when playing the speakers together. After that purchase, I noted that many of the Yamaha integrated amplifiers were out of stock for quite a while before surfacing again on Amazon, Crutchfield and other sites. I almost purchased the Costco version of the RX-V6A but opted for the integrated amplifier instead for about the same price. I'm happy with it combined with a tube preamp. I listen to music via bluetooth primarily and it works for me. For my home theater system, I have had the Onkyo TX-NR656 for several years now and it has worked flawless for me. I'm happy with the equipment I currently have and am not looking to upgrade, although it is interesting to watch videos concerning more expensive integrated amplifiers. Keep up the good work.
I actually prefer the AS-701. It’s basically an 801 minus the fancier DAC, so it looks better without the DAC lights on the front panel. I’ve seen the 701 go on pretty heavy discount too. Money saved could easily go into something like a schiit modi or better.
Had an 801 and ended up sending it back. My main gripe was the fact that the amp did indeed lack low end presence. And the phono stage definitely isn't what I'd consider to be good (serviceable, but definitely not anything more than that). It's a nice piece, but its rather lacking where it counts...how it sounds.
I thought Kristi was going to mention the Yamaha RN 803 stereo receiver but she went all in on the HT receiver. To me I wonder if that RN receiver might be the sweet spot in terms of features but in a dedicated 2 channel setup. It has the tuner, YPAO for room correction and 100 watts same as the 801 (but with a bit more distortion on the receiver) for a few less $$. I think you might have one more Yammy to put on your review list.
Andrew, excellent review; however, it would have been helpful to explain that one of the most critical factors in the difference/quality of sound between the 801 and the 3200, is the quality of the power supply transformer. The 3200 has a massive toroidal transformer, as compared to the 801's walnut sized transformer - of course, your paying a big price for this quality, but you get what you pay for! This is what accounts for the impeccable sound quality of vintage Sansui and Marantz integrated amps - power supplies of tremendous size and quality, in addition to phenomenal build quality.
You guys should really do a side by side comparison over the A-S801 vs A-S1200. I think Andrew made the best point when he stated that one is $900 vs $3000. Is Kristi saying the 1200 is worth more than triple the price and thus worth saving for? I would love to hear why. Keep up the great work.
Andrew and Kristi, I would love to see you two review either the AS301 or 501. It would be very interesting to hear your opinions of Yamaha’s entry level Integrated’s, and whether or not they are a good value for money at a more entry price point to their relative performance.
Owned the 801 for 4 years, and it seems to get better with age. It powers my Elac UB5 and Lintons effortlessly. Sadly, you did not cover the loudness control, a wonderful feature for warm sounding, low level listening retaining just enough detail.
And to your point, although neither Kristi or Andrew, believe in either speaker or amp break-in, I found this amp definitely sweetens with use. One of the gurus in Hi-Fi, whose name I won’t mention, proved that fact backed by data. While many think cables and stuff like this don’t matter, if myself experienced a more than definitive boost in bass to my KLH Kendall’s when I switched to “SILVER” terminated banana connectors. And yes this was definitely one of the least complete reviews Andrew has done, as the loudness control was not discussed, nor was the amps performance with DVD playback, which I think is phenomenal. Of course every link in the chain has to be as good as what the 801 is capable of....I am running an OPPO multi-disc player which means a fantastic sonically.
As a recent purchaser of a Yamaha TSR-700 (the $400 Costco version of the V6A), I was glad to hear this conversation at the end of the video! Thanks for the review, amazing as always.
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT😂😂. Great review. I own the 801 and 1200. I use the 801 in my living room with Klipsch Heresy 3 and two REL Subs. The sound kicks butt. I think the 801 setup is richer and move lively than my 1200. Saying that, the 1200 paired with my Kef R3 and no sub does offer a more refined sound in a small listening room. I don’t think the two amps should be judged to one another. It’s my opinion that the 801 gives you the power to party and just enough finesse to enjoy a quality recording without being judgmental. If you want to party 75% of the time and listen for fine detail the other 25%, then get the 801. If the majority of your time is spent wanting higher quality sounds, one can’t beat the 1200.
How do the 801 and 1200 sound through headphones? Do they have a dedicated headphone amp? Do they need one? Do the tone and loudness controls affect the headphone sound?
I bought the Yamaha RN602 paired with Kef Ls50 for my second set up because it has all the requirements I need . Phono preamp ✅ streamer✅ usb in✅ MusicCast app✅ and most importantly the Mrs can use it ( my main system is to complicated for her )
Bought a 501 to replace a vintage pioneer 9500 mk II. I Was worried that it wouldn't sound a warm and pleasing as the Pioneer. I'm very happy with the sound of my 501. 501 is 15 watts/ch less than the 801. And it has a fewer digital bells and whistles. And at $549 bux... it's a bargain over the 701 and 801. It's a analog purists amplifier.
I sold Cambridge Audio CXA60 and Naim Nait XS then replaced with Yamaha AS501 to power Monitor Audio Silvers. What I lost in sound I made up for in auto stand by, loudness, DAC, Phono and some £ in my bank account. Value for money the Yamaha is unbeatable.
Personally ended up replacing my A-S701 on my Heresy IVs with an Audiolab 6000A. I felt something was missing with the Yamaha so I tried something new and now I’m happy.
So since most people seem to think Yamaha Amps are on the bright side.. This would probably be a perfect pairing for the Wharfdale Lintons, which some claim are a little overly warm.
V6-A? Better sounding than the A-S801??? I know the feeling of sometimes having to agree with the wife to keep the marriage harmonious but this is ridiculous 😄
Sorry Andrew, your reviews have always met with a "YES! Exactly!!!" But, I own a A-S1200 and ditched the A-S801 in preference. So Kristi rules... Just preferred the overall sound and delivery, hands down IMHO. Howerver, I now have a A-S3200, I'm a Yamaha fella for sure.....BIG dancing meters to boot! Just to throw a virtual hand granade into the room; my first integrated amp was a 6000A and I still love its sound... Can't bring myself to part with it. I'm spoilt for choice and look forward to your Review of the Audiolab A6000A and even more to Kristi's review... Own channel?
As usual, great review guys. I am finding myself loving the overall Yamaha sound. I just picked up the RN803. Considered exactly what Kristi said on the V6A before buying. I have an V6A in my home theatre, and I love it. However, I decided to go with a stereo receiver for my 2 channel system because the V6A pumps out so much heat when you go on extended listening binges. I chose the RN803 over the AS801 for the connection options it has over the 801 (MusicCast, etc). I am sure the 801 sounds better due to having more money put into just sound vs other options, but the 803 sounds great to me.
@@jamieburkett358 That's what I'm trying to decide also. Can I get away with an av receiver? Or do I have to go 2 channel to get good musical performance? The less separates, the better for me.
I paused for a second - I am glad she spoke up, I have the A2A and love it, I replaced a A4A after it went into protect mode for the third time, I am on the list for a A-S1200 and was looking on going cheaper and I am glad I decided to research more. I find the A2A a lot better then the A4A - world of difference. I considered the A6A but they actually have ranked the A2A as having a better build quality on several videos.
Thanks for the review as always! Really awesome to see you review some of the more budget Yamaha amps as the high end models are currently out of my price range. I recently ordered a silver AS-501 and is still in the return period window. Honestly liking it alot. Your assessment of the 801 in terms of “taming” some speakers has been my experience with some in your face/boomy vintage JBL’s. They now sound just about perfect to me. My question is why the 801 over the 501/701 models outside of more power? Assuming maybe you havent had a chance to hear those so difficult to comment? They seem very similar outside of wattage but maybe i could be missing something!
@@kellypollock seems that way on paper to me too which is why I was hoping to hear mention of the other amps. Only difference i can see is a bit more power and ability to directly plug in a USB source. In my small-ish room i definitely do not need more power and my primary source is vinyl/sonos connect so not needing a USB input at this moment.
@@iancooper3460 I'm in a modest room too and so far I'm not for lack of power using the S501 with a sub ...I use the optical in for most things and I'm all good.
In the 90s I had a 900 dollar Yamaha integrated amplifier driving a pair of magnapan 2.7 speakers. sounded good then I purchased a little amplifier said Belles 2 with the preamplifier for 100 dollars at a pawnshop it absolutely blew the Yamaha away hands down so much more holographic what a difference wow needless to say the Yamaha found a new home.
I used the tsr-700 from costco for a short time as a unit for the living room, have my own theater room, and honestly I would have to say that unit with the bur brown chip was actually pretty decent for 400 dollars. I mention this with using it as a stereo listening set up. I only have 3 channels in my living room. I believe that guy is 200 dollars cheaper than Kristi's suggestion lol
I’ve been testing the 1200 & 801. While I prefer the 1200, the 801 sounds really nice. Its build quality definitely feels cheaper, but its DAC versatility (and price) make it very tempting. But is it kind of risky to buy an amp released 7 years ago? Surely an update to the 801 must be imminent.
Thanks Andrew! Since I use my receiver for both 2 channel music and 5.1.2 home theater, I got the slightly improved RX-A2A (vs RX-V6A) and paired with my Klipsch RP-8000f, I really love it.
To those of you who don't like my part in the reviews but are able to simply stop watching when you've gotten the information you need rather than leave a nasty or rude comment letting everyone know just how you feel about how you'd wish I just go away, thank you for being a kind human being. I realize not everyone appreciates my participation. But I am a real person with feelings so thank you for considering that.
I enjoy hearing the perspective of say someone like Andrew or others who are in the industry for their perspectives because of their experiences but I also enjoy listening to your perspective kristi because like you I grew up just listening to my father‘s stereo system and come to appreciate products from the past To the products of the present so listening to a consumers point of view is reassuring because while at this stage of my life I may understand most of the specs when it comes down to it I’m just a consumer enjoying my music, Team formation duo’s
I love this channel, and my favourite part of the video is Kristi’s reaction. I’m Team Kristi! That buddy guy leaving ignorant, rude comments about you ain’t worth the aggravation. 🤬 that guy.
Yeah, it makes no sense that people watch things they don’t like just so they can moan about it in the comments. I like the second half of the show and appreciate two different perspectives as it helps making and validating a decision much easier.
I have the Yamaha R-N803 and love it. It drives my B&W CM6 S2 + Martin Logan Dynamo 300 sub. It's setup in my office and sounds incredible. Actually this entire combination is the magic sauce sound I've been chasing in my other setups and haven't been able to replicate it no matter how much money I threw at it.
I got my 801 this past weekend. I've gone through a couple of sony and denon avr's with one of the denon's being a higher end model, a 316bee, a vintage nad 3140, and a 600ne. I think you really nailed it on the review, but I would add something about the depth. There are some famous classical pieces I listen to which the other amps poorly render the depth of a choir in the background (sometimes 20 feet back) to various degrees that make those amps range from unacceptable, to not even being able to hear that the choir isn't in the front row. The 801 really captures the distance, and i think it does so partially because of the airiness of the treble and the way it captures and conveys echo throughout the "room". And I think it is also more dynamic. That is something I haven't heard in any sub-1000 dollar amp, which is all i've ever owned. I've only heard it at a high end store, and then saw the price tag and left, sad... And St.Teresa ? It's got ssss and not exagerated shhhh like almost all the other amps except the vintage nad. I'm actually keeping this one. Done shopping. Thanks!
I really enjoyed the back and forth between you both today. The bonus conversation was very great. I found this review to be informative and entertaining. One of your best.
I have the 801 and very much like it. I auditioned the Cambridge Audio AXR 100 first, loved the detail but the sound lacked the presence (or volume) I get from the 801. Plus the Bluetooth on the AXR 100 was horrible. I have paired the 801 with an Andover Audio Songbird for streaming , running a pair of Elac Debut F6.2 - sounds great.
So which of them,in your opinion is more smooth at upper midrange and highs?Which is less schrill and fatigue for long listening sessions?Who has the most gentle highs?
Nice review. I run an 802 through Q Acoustic 3050i speakers and picked this package after finding other amps a bit warm for me. I prefer a tighter base and a slightly brighter amp. Playing with the base and treble got everything just right for my room and streaming through Airplay option can produce some stunning reproduction with the right tracks. For the money, a superb pairing 👍🏻
I prefer the yamaha a-s701(that i have with wfs 225s).Same power like the a-s801 and 200 euros cheaper.Also i don't need the dac,i like it more analogue.The mids are huge and the bass is shockingly good/deep.
Priceless, likey the best video you both have done. Here's a point for Andrew: with the money saved by buying the 801 vs 1200, you can get a FREE pair of KLH Model 5s. On Kristi's side, the 6A will do true home theater and it comes with YAPO, which will fix a myriad of issues between your room and speakers.
In the past, I have sold many x's Yamaha products. While I stopped that back in 96, I still have all the Yamaha equipment since then and all were put through the hard life of young ears and Metallica Black album. As for your review, spot on. Would love a short comparison to ___ integrated amp as just a alternative-same price category. Just my two cents, thumb up and thank you. Eww,,I commented before the end of the post. Cambridge you say. Actually love difference back and forth between you two. Or some bickering maybe. Thanks.
I went with the r-n803d all the imputs you could want, will stream hi-res music, internet, dab and fm radio, some great deals to be had, and it has the same power as the 801. 👍
Always loved Yamaha Amps! The sound is amazing and you can’t actually tell where speakers are placed compared to other amps using same speakers but this is my experience like 13 years ago when I demoed a few amps before picking the Yamaha over onkyo, pioneer and denon
I watch this channel for the positive family dynamics between Kristi and Andrew. They balance each other and give their audience double the perspectives. Do not let the subhuman misogynists bother you, Kristi. Just consider the source...
I believe your description of the 801 is what I experienced with the 501. I was running Heresy III‘s and a Rega P3 with the 501. I ended returning it and going back to my Marantz 2221 from the 70’s. The Yamaha sounded thin where my 25 watt Marantz has more balanced and better bottom end. I have a Marantz 30 coming this week and hope it lives up to the hype I’ve been reading online. Great review!
I'm very pleased to hear you have got your hands on a Audiolab 6000a amp, as I have the non-play version of that and combined with my LS50 Metas, I have been blown away by the sound. It is interesting that this combo has a very mixed set of reviews with some loving it and some hating it. If you still have a set of Metas to hand, I'd be very interested to hear how well you think the two pair up.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews And thank you for your review of the Metas as you persuaded me to buy them. I love them with all my heart and it really was the best purchasing decision I have ever made.
A very accurate description. If … if it had a little more density across the board, would be a superb amp to own for its price. I use the RN803 for TV duty. Most convenient as it has a streamer and internet radio.
I like how everyone freaks out because they think that Kristi Is being sacrilegious when in fact she Is just using lógic and being a smart buyer. Hahahaha
For me, my A-S801 matches great with my Klipsch RP-600Ms. In a small room 12'x10'. This system got me back into listening to music. Of course I was listening to music over crappy built-in computer speakers. I am hearing so much more in the music. Love my little system!
Kristi gets it. I’ve heard the 801 and the 2100. Saved up to get the 2100. Worth every extra penny. Also have the V6A. Works great in the living room, but not what I would go for a music first use case.
Great Review! Thanks! I just purchased the Audiolab 6000A (not the play) and a pair of Klipsch 8000 RP speakers, but I’m not sure I made the right choice. Edit: actually I’m pretty sure I did make the right choice! After a few weeks of adjustments, and listening, etc… I’m very, very happy! 😁
Before my recent purchase, I had the Yamaha DSP-A1 since 1999. I loved it, but it recently stopped working. I liked how precise the sound stage imagery was. With my new setup, it doesn’t seem as precise.
As a long time Yamaha user, it's my view Yamaha represents good and even great value at the low end. I'm using a Yamaha system in the office right now. But I've replaced an RN602 with a NAD M10 for the main system and there is no comparison. The M10 has properly brought the speakers to life as well as having a far more mature software environment. The listening experience never disappoints. Of course we are talking about a completely different price point too. Horses for courses. Regarding the Yamaha sound, it's inoffensive. It sounds OK without being outstanding. There is always plenty of grunt, but louder doesn't always make it sound better or improve the dynamics. It is Toyota in a sea of more interesting options. You won't go wrong, but you could do better - if you are prepared to explore to find what you think you are missing. Otherwise Yamaha is a safe bet.
@@dr.anthonyforgione4253 depends on your definition of low end grunt I guess. Bass at low listening levels maybe. I use a sub so I couldn't say but Yamaha have a way of dealing with that offering a pure direct (tone control bypass) mode as well as Continuously Variable Loudness Control for low volume listening. Both work well. In terms of bang for buck RN602 is a case in point, an easy 80W/channel for under $800 in aud. Its a streamer as well so a similar sort of product to the NAD M10, although in a completely different class and at a different price point obviously. That smooth inoffensive Yamaha delivery, with plenty of horsepower to properly light up the speakers. I don't typically play music especially loud, but appreciate the dynamics and subtlety of rendition power in reserve offers. It was the heart of the main system for a while and thoroughly enjoyed. Definitely not a high end device, but awesome bang for buck nonetheless. It was subsequently replaced with the afore mentioned NAD M10 (nearly $4k in aud) using the same speakers. There is a great gap in resolution, user and listening experience between them. Dirac accounts for some of this, but even with Dirac disabled it is clearly a different animal. The Yamaha is properly put in its place in comparison, but remains great value at its price point at less than a quarter of the price in AU than the NAD M10. I have a number of smaller Yamaha units around the house as well. They all sound inoffensive which is possibly why I keep buying them. That might be the Yamaha secret formula, like Toyota be capable and offend no one.
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The 801, purely based on my budget. It sounds like a great offering but I’m confused how an amp can produce less bass than something equally powered from another vendor. I’ve owned nothing but Yamaha since the 80’s so I haven’t thought I was missing anything until this morning.
I have the RX-V1085 and noticed it's hard to get good bass even with 2 SVS PB-2000 PRO'S , but even after saying this I can't wait for the RX-A6A to be available. Always been a huge yamaha fan!!
@@SeanVedell It can come down to the circuit design and other factors beyond just Watts per channel. That said, I wouldn't sweat it. If you like what you have, stick with it. You're not missing anything.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews I’ve mastered the Yamaha on-screen menus and settings labyrinth. Talk about your 10,000 hours! 🙄 Ain’t no way I’m switching brands and giving up that hard earned knowledge.
@@SeanVedell I can appreciate that. I feel the same way about my computer(s) and camera gear.
I tested a Yamaha A-S801 side by side a McIntosh MA8900 and Anthem STR Amp in a treated room with B&W, Paradigm and Magico speakers. If you have the ability to do such a test, you will learn what law of diminishing return really means. The A-S801 is a beast and powered the high-end speakers with no sweat whatsoever. Outside of minimal volume knob position between the 3, there was no difference in how well the $1000 A-S801 performed vs the $5-$6000 amps did.
Thank you! Your response is ten times what this ridiculous review was supposed to be. I am very happy with the power delivery of the A-S801. I only wish the bass dial was set to the 100Hz.
@@MichaelJamesWood Hello, I’m not sure what your issue is with the bass knob. What would starting at 100hz do? Sorry….. might be a dumb question. I’m looking to my my first home receiver or integrated amp.
Great review and dialogue you two!
I am 63, and have rocked a Marantz 1060 integrated since I was 17. I wanted a change and tried the Cambridge AX100. It was very good, but I felt my old 1060 bettered it in terms of soundstage, even with the old caps being long in the tooth.
I considered the 801, and others, but decided to purchase the A-S1200. The 100% analog design appealed to me, as well as the sheer heft of this piece of gear (48.5 lbs). The meters are cool, but I love the sound after 100 hours, and it is getting even better IMO.
At my age and after trying to practice deferred gratification over the years, I bought what I really wanted, and am very happy with my purchase!
Love your work, Andrew and Kristi.
Ah ! Yamaha amps with meters - I once owned the CA-810 which i adored. My present one is the predecessor to your A-S1200 - the A-S1100 which barely fits in my hifi tower with its depth. 😀
Ahhh the old electronic break in period 😂
How do headphones sound thru your Yamaha A-S1200? Do you think it needs an external dedicated headphone amp attached to it to get great sound?
"Commas in my bank account" LOVE IT!
Sounds like the beginning of a hit rap song.
I'm just happy not to see a minus sign in mine...!
I sold Yamaha amp years ago when the yamaha introduced the loudness control, it was introduced to enhance bass naturally. All other amps would have a "loudness" button you would press at low volume to bump up the bass (a bass boost). So Yamaha came up with the idea of rolling off the mids and highs instead. Its work like this, you crank up the volume and get a nice bass tone going and then you use the loudness control to roll back the mids and highs thus bringing down the amp to a lower listen level but allowing the amp to drive the bass with full current going to it, thus no artificial boost but yet a strong bass response. Its quite a brilliant idea and works well when you understand what it does and how to teak it. It's great with klipsch speakers that can be a bit forward in it projection of sound. The loudness control helps tame that. This also help with speakers that have low bass output because you drive a lot of current to the bass.
Spot on
This feature is so nice. Especially living in an apartment. Mine gets hot though, if the volume knob goes up to like 2 o clock with the loudness down almost all the way, I start to get a little worried.
I initially bought the Cambridge Audio CXA80 and was not impressed. Perhaps the sound was too warm for my tastes. After some research, I decided to give the A-S801 a try. I did an A to B comparison with both amps and as soon as I plugged in the Yamaha, my old Polks came to life. Without making any tone adjustments, the sound was much more lively than the Cambridge amp. I kept the Cambridge network streamer and sent the amp back. I added an SVS sub to the mix to fill out my system. For a budget stereo, I'm pleased with the sound.
I have the yamaha as-701 with the Linton 85th. Transparent and crystal clear sound with powerful bass. full-bodied sound
With kef ls50 meta this Amp not really sound good 😭
@@user-su5en5ml2j the amplifier is neutral. You may need something to color the sound. Try another dac.
The back and forth is invaluable! The counterpoint between trained audiophile ears, and real world ears is something that we all should value!
Yamaha A-S801 is the best in the price range, especially for those who begin to listen music seriously and like to have a number of analogue and digital sources.
Great review. I like the way you present. Thanks.
For those of you asking about Pure Direct Mode, here are my thoughts: Pure Direct Mode will be most noticeable if you are currently using Yamaha’s tone controls at which point this disables all of them without you needing to manually adjust them back to neutral. In that respect, the difference will be very noticeable. Now if you aren’t using the tone controls and you hit Pure Direct, there maybe a slight improvement in quality specifically with detail and some top end smoothness, but if you don’t feel the difference is night and day, you’re not wrong. The difference is subtle. It doesn’t suddenly turn the amp into something completely different. I personally believe that because the sound cuts out briefly when engaged, that this could lead to a perception that something more impressive has occurred. All that said, I didn’t find it detrimental. For the record, most of my time evaluating this amp was done with Pure Direct on, so what I describe in my review is what I experienced with PD activated.
I'll add a further caveat and that's the way its used. I've currently got a Yamaha RN602 with a pair of Yamaha two way speakers and sub. I listen to this in my office for hours a day in the background. I listen to everything, it all sounds just fine. Not epic, not awful, just fine. Under these conditions, PD makes no difference but the rotary loudness control sure does elevate the sound at background listening volumes. I never used the loudness control in the main listening space when it was installed there because listening levels were much greater.
I guess everyone's experience will vary in this respect according to their application.
Agreed, I'll go further, pure direct is barely perceptible.
A great man once said, “There are no dumb questions.” So here goes: Are changes to the Tone and Loudness controls noticeable when listening through headphones?
@@spiritualarchitect4276 No, but there are another four senses, one of which just happens to be visual!
@@johnwheat5199 No? Well that sucks! I really like tone controls, but I do almost all my listening through headphones.
I know! This video is old. I'm old. Who cares? I saw this video yesterday. The 801 was the only receiver that checked 100% of my boxes. You convinced me it was the way to go. I saw a local add for used one in black. Called the gentleman. Wonderful guy. Loves audio. He got a whole new system and sold me his prestine 801 for $450. I hooked up my 45 year old ADS 701s that I restomodded. Absolutely love the 801! That you for the content!
Who else enjoyed watching Andrew's entire soul leave his body during the bonus conversation? :-)
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It was pretty sweet. 🤣🤣🤣
Sorry Andrew.
A good producer keeps the headliner on his/ her toes all the time...LOL
It keeps things from getting boring. :)
Yes, lol, that was an added bonus 😄
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In my two year journey for a good system. I stopped off with a S801 for quite a while. I really liked this amp. For the money it is really good. If you look closely at the knobs, they are plastic, very good plastic, vs metal on the more expensive Yamaha units. Got to give up something to get something. If you are looking for a sub $1000 amp, give it a listen. Andrew didn't like the look of the knobs when off twelve o'clock, but then it is a great visual reminder as to what EQ that you have dialed in. Swings and round about.
I have the Yamaha A-S701 in black and I'm happy with it. I cannot imagine to have an amplifier in my room looking like a small CD-player. An amplifier should look like one. ;-)
And î want visual beautys : VU s, analyzers, Tone controls...İ ' ll never buy today's ugly bricks...
Kristi convinced me, I don't think the A-S801 would be that significant step up for me as a RX-V6A/TSR-700 owner. Plus, I'm not ready to give up the dream of owning a Yamaha amplifier with meters! Good review as I'm walking away from this video more decisive the direction I want to go if I upgrade my system further.
Same here. Love my yahama trs-700. Atmos sounds amazing and my music sounds much better than my prior sony es receiver. Been extremely happy with my purchase.
Glad I could help!
The 801 makes far more practical bang for the buck sense than Yamaha's more expensive integrateds. The 1200 is the 1st step on Yamaha's stairway to diminishing returnville, but what a lovely step it is.
This review simulates real purchasing phase before deciding what audio gear that suits the best (price-performance-usefulness) in our daily life, kind of true to life event.
I SMILED when I heard Andrew mentioned Audiolab 6000A.
I can’t wait for the Audiolab 6000A review.
Please include how it sounds thru Bluetooth connection.
And comparisons to Cambridge Audio AXR100, Rotel A11 Tribute.
Thank u.
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This clearly shows how differently everyone's ears hear things differently. This is why you should listen to what makes your ears happy and not what the majority always spouts. Good to hear different opinions on this amp. I have it and absolutely love it!
Love it too. Great value for money
Does the Yamaha 801 sound good through headphones? Does it have a dedicated headphone amp? Does it need one? Are the tone and loudness still noticeable?
@@spiritualarchitect4276 I honestly don't use it with headphones so I can't give any feedback regarding.
@@vernonleemonii3334 Hmm... I was not expecting that : )
I have the 701, love it, don't need a streamer or dac upgrade. Thx for all ur hard work andrew
I agree with Kristi, v6a would be a better all around product especially since it has front pre-outs so you can get a better amp later for 2 channel listening. That plus it having basic room correction which would be superior to a couple tone control knobs. Honestly I feel like this would be a really good topic for a video as I feel like I can't be the only one who thinks getting a stereo AVR is pointless when you can get a multi channel AVR and it does more especially room correction which most stereo AVRs don't have despite most people's rooms not being perfect.
Edit: although most audiophiles are probably anti room correction ie EQ
Great review! I really enjoy Kristi’s perspective on these. Partly because I believe that her hearing and mine may have some similarities based on some of her preferences. Also it’s always good to have multiple perspectives in reviews. Andrew is sometimes a bit more measured. I appreciate both views.
Fantastic review and intriguing discussion. I’ve a b listened to the 801 and 1200. I opted for the 1200 and have it here in my lounge. For me, the 801 was good, but the 1200 represented a significant step in terms of refinement, detail and dynamics. The 801 just didn’t move me in the same way…there is a fluidity to the sound of the 1200 too which is so compelling for me. As a post script, I’ve also owned the audiolab 6000 a…it’s something special as here in the uk it’s only £599. Gave me a real insight into the high end world…hence upgrading to the 1200. Once again…fab production…thank you both.
@Gary Jones, I really appreciate you sharing your experience!
I owned a 6000a play and found it was too lean and thin. The punch was there but the punch didn’t have weight. Highs mid was the same very detailed but without weight and color…
Is the 1200 „weightier“ than 6000a ?
a-s 1200 refinement??For some reviewers 1200 is bright sounding in comparison with 801.
@@andreassouth1523 having a b tested these two amps, there really is no comparison…the 801 is great at its price point, but the as1200 is a step up in terms of refinement, tonality, detail retrieval, soundstage, imaging, and last but not least, dynamically in a different league.
I have the bottom of the food chain... the as301. But it works just fine for me, paired with wharfedale diamond 10.1 bookshelfs..sounds great!
I bet. Enjoy!
The AS-2200 is the optimal purchase. You guys should review it. It is soooooo GOOD!
Yes 2200 is very good.
For 45 years I've had a yamaha amp of one sort or another. Picked up the 801s just before lockdown. It's my new friend.
It's been my friend for the past two years. I love the natural sound
Anyone know how the Yamaha 801 sounds through headphones? Does it have a dedicated headphone amp? Does it need one? Are the tone and loudness still noticeable?
@@spiritualarchitect4276 it has a pretty darn good headphone amp
The kristi section is never lacking entertainment. I like having her point of view included.
Me too.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews This is the reason you love her, right?
Thank you!
I as well, love watching and listening to these two beautiful people!
@@seannewill5520 Yes, they clearly do. Did your comment make you feel better though?
I bought AS1100 and sold AS801. The sound AS1100 is a lot more powerful and exciting.
I've got an A-S700 (no digital inputs, 90w pc) on a secondary system and I think it was the best all-around choice for my needs and budget at the time I bought it. I've always loved the control features on Yamaha integrated amps and receivers. I even like the rectangular knobs. It's still running a pair of JBL L-100s that I bought in the mid-70's .
Edit: I'd buy a Yamaha A-S1200 in a minute if I could afford it - even though I'm giving up my cherished loudness control.
That loudness control on my 801 is the reason I would not want the 1200. Low level listening through my Linton 85’s using that loudness knob is a feature I have gotten very used to. And not found on any of the competing amps.
@@4thewinir344 How do headphones sound thru your Yamaha A-801? Do you think it needs an external dedicated headphone amp attached to it to get great sound?
“I’d buy the home theatre receiver instead.” YES!! @Kristi Wright YOU GO GIRL! 💯 agree.
:)
HAHAHAHA
It's just so beautiful too. Yamaha stuff has always been so nicely styled.
I use this amp paired with a powered sub and Tekton Enzo 2.7 Speakers, Technics 50th anniversary turntable and Ortofon Blue cartridge/stylus. Sounds marvelous! I listen to everything from Americana, pop punk to death metal. Works with all of those sounds.
I have the as501 hooked up to Tekton perfect set and it sounds wonderful too
I have this amp with a pair of Martin Logan ESLs and a Martin Logan dynamo 700 sub and it has a great immersive soundstage, and really brings to life the clarity and detail of the ESLs. I listen to very complex music - prog rock, jazz-fusion, Indian classical music - all known for their subtlety and intricacies - I can listen to this set up without any listening fatigue, for hours on end.
It is a surprisingly non-fatiguing amplifier in my experience too!
Yes you're analysis is spot on...And I sure you listen in Pure Direct mode, which was completely omitted from this review, which means it is an incomplete one. The Soundstage this Amp produces is that of separates in my opinion. I was listening to an earlier Miles Davis cut and the placement of the musicians was eerily spaced!! The Bass is in this Amp for sure...it won't make a speaker rated at 45hz sound like one rated at 25hz like my KLH Kendalls. Which is why speaker choice should be intentional to pair with the AS-801. When it comes to how this AMP resolves layers in all kinds of music...you are again spot on....simply fantastic for the money. One of my favorite tracks to hear such resolve is Andreas Vollenwiedr's "Pyramid in the wood in the bright light". Its simply sublime. And I have found that contrary to whatever the Robinsons say, this AMP sounds better after about a good two weeks of playing.
I love Yamaha! I've been buying Yamaha amps and receivers since the late 70s. I presently have a 7.2 Yamaha A/V receiver that I purchased in 2012 a long with a Klipsch 7.1 speaker system. Both are still going strong to this day! I have no complaints about Yamaha amps and receivers or Klipsch speakers.
"once you move those dials" it's readily apparent from afar that you've been messing with the tone and balance - a far more reliable and elegant visual feedback approach than having a big glowing screen tell you what's going on (after diving through menus). A perfect alarm if the kids keep knocking the bass and treble out of whack....
I purchased the Yamaha A-S301 months ago and use a tube preamplifier with Bluetooth 5.0 for music listening. I think it sounds great and gives me the option to audition speaker pairs with the A and B channels as well as with 4.1 channel stereo when playing the speakers together. After that purchase, I noted that many of the Yamaha integrated amplifiers were out of stock for quite a while before surfacing again on Amazon, Crutchfield and other sites.
I almost purchased the Costco version of the RX-V6A but opted for the integrated amplifier instead for about the same price. I'm happy with it combined with a tube preamp. I listen to music via bluetooth primarily and it works for me. For my home theater system, I have had the Onkyo TX-NR656 for several years now and it has worked flawless for me. I'm happy with the equipment I currently have and am not looking to upgrade, although it is interesting to watch videos concerning more expensive integrated amplifiers. Keep up the good work.
I actually prefer the AS-701. It’s basically an 801 minus the fancier DAC, so it looks better without the DAC lights on the front panel. I’ve seen the 701 go on pretty heavy discount too. Money saved could easily go into something like a schiit modi or better.
This would be my approach as well - 701 plus stand alone DAC.
Had an 801 and ended up sending it back. My main gripe was the fact that the amp did indeed lack low end presence. And the phono stage definitely isn't what I'd consider to be good (serviceable, but definitely not anything more than that).
It's a nice piece, but its rather lacking where it counts...how it sounds.
What a great review! You two are an absolute delight. Thanks for a great start to my Sunday! Looking forward to your Audiolab 6000a review! Cheers!
Our pleasure! Thanks for tuning in.
I thought Kristi was going to mention the Yamaha RN 803 stereo receiver but she went all in on the HT receiver. To me I wonder if that RN receiver might be the sweet spot in terms of features but in a dedicated 2 channel setup. It has the tuner, YPAO for room correction and 100 watts same as the 801 (but with a bit more distortion on the receiver) for a few less $$. I think you might have one more Yammy to put on your review list.
My favorite part was the end.. I’m a Hegel owner but if I’m going to upgrade I’m either going luxman or that technics amp you reviewed
Hmm. Waited a long time for this. Now Im interested in the Audiolab. Thank you for keeping it interesting.
Thanks for tuning in! We try to keep it interesting.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews You and Kristy all ways keep it interesting enjoy your two points of view .
I own the S-801, running it into Klipsch Heresy IIIs, with a Klipsch sub. Not perfect, but it does many things well.
Andrew, excellent review; however, it would have been helpful to explain that one of the most critical factors in the difference/quality of sound between the 801 and the 3200, is the quality of the power supply transformer. The 3200 has a massive toroidal transformer, as compared to the 801's walnut sized transformer - of course, your paying a big price for this quality, but you get what you pay for! This is what accounts for the impeccable sound quality of vintage Sansui and Marantz integrated amps - power supplies of tremendous size and quality, in addition to phenomenal build quality.
You are 100% correct old Yamaha series have tiny transformers vs new 1200, 2200, 3200 and that makes huge difference in bass and mids.
You guys should really do a side by side comparison over the A-S801 vs A-S1200. I think Andrew made the best point when he stated that one is $900 vs $3000. Is Kristi saying the 1200 is worth more than triple the price and thus worth saving for? I would love to hear why. Keep up the great work.
Andrew and Kristi, I would love to see you two review either the AS301 or 501. It would be very interesting to hear your opinions of Yamaha’s entry level Integrated’s, and whether or not they are a good value for money at a more entry price point to their relative performance.
Come on, AS301 or 501 is not even considered Hi-Fi equipment.
Owned the 801 for 4 years, and it seems to get better with age. It powers my Elac UB5 and Lintons effortlessly. Sadly, you did not cover the loudness control, a wonderful feature for warm sounding, low level listening retaining just enough detail.
And to your point, although neither Kristi or Andrew, believe in either speaker or amp break-in, I found this amp definitely sweetens with use. One of the gurus in Hi-Fi, whose name I won’t mention, proved that fact backed by data. While many think cables and stuff like this don’t matter, if myself experienced a more than definitive boost in bass to my KLH Kendall’s when I switched to “SILVER” terminated banana connectors. And yes this was definitely one of the least complete reviews Andrew has done, as the loudness control was not discussed, nor was the amps performance with DVD playback, which I think is phenomenal. Of course every link in the chain has to be as good as what the 801 is capable of....I am running an OPPO multi-disc player which means a fantastic sonically.
@@Csnumber1 agree.
So it's better to reduce loudness than treble for more warm sound?I have a-s 701.
@@andreassouth1523 No....the loudness on these amps is for low level listening.
As a recent purchaser of a Yamaha TSR-700 (the $400 Costco version of the V6A), I was glad to hear this conversation at the end of the video! Thanks for the review, amazing as always.
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT😂😂. Great review. I own the 801 and 1200. I use the 801 in my living room with Klipsch Heresy 3 and two REL Subs. The sound kicks butt. I think the 801 setup is richer and move lively than my 1200. Saying that, the 1200 paired with my Kef R3 and no sub does offer a more refined sound in a small listening room. I don’t think the two amps should be judged to one another. It’s my opinion that the 801 gives you the power to party and just enough finesse to enjoy a quality recording without being judgmental. If you want to party 75% of the time and listen for fine detail the other 25%, then get the 801. If the majority of your time is spent wanting higher quality sounds, one can’t beat the 1200.
How do the 801 and 1200 sound through headphones? Do they have a dedicated headphone amp? Do they need one? Do the tone and loudness controls affect the headphone sound?
I bought the Yamaha RN602 paired with Kef Ls50 for my second set up because it has all the requirements I need . Phono preamp ✅ streamer✅ usb in✅ MusicCast app✅ and most importantly the Mrs can use it ( my main system is to complicated for her )
I own the 801 in silver finish ofc. and paired with my Quad Z-3's it's refined, controlled and powerful. Best amp. I've owned in many years.
Notice how the Pure Direct Mode was not mentioned in this review....the real STAR of this Amp's operation??
@@Csnumber1 Indeed - this amp. trades blows with amps twice as expensive.
Bought a 501 to replace a vintage pioneer 9500 mk II. I Was worried that it wouldn't sound a warm and pleasing as the Pioneer. I'm very happy with the sound of my 501. 501 is
15 watts/ch less than the 801. And it has a fewer digital bells and whistles. And at $549 bux... it's a bargain over the 701 and 801. It's a analog purists amplifier.
So it is warm and pleasing? which speakers is playing with?
The 501 is an analog purist amp? The 501 has an internal DAC.
I sold Cambridge Audio CXA60 and Naim Nait XS then replaced with Yamaha AS501 to power Monitor Audio Silvers. What I lost in sound I made up for in auto stand by, loudness, DAC, Phono and some £ in my bank account.
Value for money the Yamaha is unbeatable.
Denon.
Personally ended up replacing my A-S701 on my Heresy IVs with an Audiolab 6000A. I felt something was missing with the Yamaha so I tried something new and now I’m happy.
So since most people seem to think Yamaha Amps are on the bright side.. This would probably be a perfect pairing for the Wharfdale Lintons, which some claim are a little overly warm.
I'm Yamaha fan since 80's I started with 801, 3000,.and 5000 series I happy with all.
V6-A? Better sounding than the A-S801??? I know the feeling of sometimes having to agree with the wife to keep the marriage harmonious but this is ridiculous 😄
Sorry Andrew, your reviews have always met with a "YES! Exactly!!!"
But, I own a A-S1200 and ditched the A-S801 in preference. So Kristi rules...
Just preferred the overall sound and delivery, hands down IMHO.
Howerver, I now have a A-S3200, I'm a Yamaha fella for sure.....BIG dancing meters to boot!
Just to throw a virtual hand granade into the room; my first integrated amp was a 6000A and I still love its sound... Can't bring myself to part with it.
I'm spoilt for choice and look forward to your Review of the Audiolab A6000A and even more to Kristi's review... Own channel?
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I have the old Yamaha As500 which is decent. Love the channel! Always a good day when u guys release vids. 😘
Thanks so much. I love vintage Yamaha too. I miss my old receiver I had from them years ago. Thanks for tuning in!
As usual, great review guys. I am finding myself loving the overall Yamaha sound. I just picked up the RN803. Considered exactly what Kristi said on the V6A before buying. I have an V6A in my home theatre, and I love it. However, I decided to go with a stereo receiver for my 2 channel system because the V6A pumps out so much heat when you go on extended listening binges. I chose the RN803 over the AS801 for the connection options it has over the 801 (MusicCast, etc). I am sure the 801 sounds better due to having more money put into just sound vs other options, but the 803 sounds great to me.
That's an interesting option, the R-N803. How doe it sound compared to the R6A in your opinion? Same, worse, better?
@@BryanRuby I haven’t A/B’d it on the same speakers yet. So far I would say more detailed, not quite as forward.
@@jamieburkett358 That's what I'm trying to decide also. Can I get away with an av receiver? Or do I have to go 2 channel to get good musical performance? The less separates, the better for me.
@@BryanRuby I had R-N803 and i replaced it with AXR-100 and I regret
@@ramin3080 What is your biggest regret?
I got the Yammi A-S 301 paired with Wharfedale Diamond 12.2 and REL HT 1003 sub. I've tried to go bang per buck as much as possible.
I paused for a second - I am glad she spoke up, I have the A2A and love it, I replaced a A4A after it went into protect mode for the third time, I am on the list for a A-S1200 and was looking on going cheaper and I am glad I decided to research more. I find the A2A a lot better then the A4A - world of difference.
I considered the A6A but they actually have ranked the A2A as having a better build quality on several videos.
Thanks for the review as always! Really awesome to see you review some of the more budget Yamaha amps as the high end models are currently out of my price range.
I recently ordered a silver AS-501 and is still in the return period window. Honestly liking it alot. Your assessment of the 801 in terms of “taming” some speakers has been my experience with some in your face/boomy vintage JBL’s. They now sound just about perfect to me.
My question is why the 801 over the 501/701 models outside of more power? Assuming maybe you havent had a chance to hear those so difficult to comment? They seem very similar outside of wattage but maybe i could be missing something!
I got the S501 and think it's a better value than the S801.
@@kellypollock seems that way on paper to me too which is why I was hoping to hear mention of the other amps. Only difference i can see is a bit more power and ability to directly plug in a USB source. In my small-ish room i definitely do not need more power and my primary source is vinyl/sonos connect so not needing a USB input at this moment.
@@iancooper3460 I'm in a modest room too and so far I'm not for lack of power using the S501 with a sub ...I use the optical in for most things and I'm all good.
In the 90s I had a 900 dollar Yamaha integrated amplifier driving a pair of magnapan 2.7 speakers. sounded good then I purchased a little amplifier said Belles 2 with the preamplifier for 100 dollars at a pawnshop it absolutely blew the Yamaha away hands down so much more holographic what a difference wow needless to say the Yamaha found a new home.
Would love to see you review the RN803, though not having hdmi arc would be a deal breaker for me
Bought the A-S801 and I have it connected to Klipsch RP-600M and SVS PB-1000 pro with volume -9, the base is very good with very good detail.
That’s a solid setup. Well done
Unquestionably the best part of these reviews is Andrew and Kristis convos. You guys make this channel special.
Thank you so much, Brian C! We appreciate you watching.
I used the tsr-700 from costco for a short time as a unit for the living room, have my own theater room, and honestly I would have to say that unit with the bur brown chip was actually pretty decent for 400 dollars. I mention this with using it as a stereo listening set up. I only have 3 channels in my living room. I believe that guy is 200 dollars cheaper than Kristi's suggestion lol
I’ve been testing the 1200 & 801. While I prefer the 1200, the 801 sounds really nice. Its build quality definitely feels cheaper, but its DAC versatility (and price) make it very tempting. But is it kind of risky to buy an amp released 7 years ago? Surely an update to the 801 must be imminent.
I love my S501. These are great amps for the price.
Rockin the as-701 with my Magnat Transpuls 1500’s! Match made in heaven
@@splaff79 picking up this amp soon to pair with my Magnat 1000s, hoping for good things
Brilliant... "meters are cool... but so are commas in my bank account".
They sell separate aftermarket '"old school" VU meters...it's not a limiting factor anymore.
Thanks Andrew! Since I use my receiver for both 2 channel music and 5.1.2 home theater, I got the slightly improved RX-A2A (vs RX-V6A) and paired with my Klipsch RP-8000f, I really love it.
They are the best bang for your buck, I heard one with a set of legacy floor standing speakers, wow
Simply wow the sound quality was phenomenal.
To those of you who don't like my part in the reviews but are able to simply stop watching when you've gotten the information you need rather than leave a nasty or rude comment letting everyone know just how you feel about how you'd wish I just go away, thank you for being a kind human being. I realize not everyone appreciates my participation. But I am a real person with feelings so thank you for considering that.
I enjoy hearing the perspective of say someone like Andrew or others who are in the industry for their perspectives because of their experiences but I also enjoy listening to your perspective kristi because like you I grew up just listening to my father‘s stereo system and come to appreciate products from the past To the products of the present so listening to a consumers point of view is reassuring because while at this stage of my life I may understand most of the specs when it comes down to it I’m just a consumer enjoying my music, Team formation duo’s
I love this channel, and my favourite part of the video is Kristi’s reaction. I’m Team Kristi! That buddy guy leaving ignorant, rude comments about you ain’t worth the aggravation. 🤬 that guy.
Well said. For 99 decent human beings, always 1 dysfunctional. Ignore.
Yeah, it makes no sense that people watch things they don’t like just so they can moan about it in the comments. I like the second half of the show and appreciate two different perspectives as it helps making and validating a decision much easier.
I sometimes go to Kristi’s take first then go back to watch Andrew’s. Sorry Andrew.
I have the Yamaha R-N803 and love it. It drives my B&W CM6 S2 + Martin Logan Dynamo 300 sub. It's setup in my office and sounds incredible. Actually this entire combination is the magic sauce sound I've been chasing in my other setups and haven't been able to replicate it no matter how much money I threw at it.
I got my 801 this past weekend. I've gone through a couple of sony and denon avr's with one of the denon's being a higher end model, a 316bee, a vintage nad 3140, and a 600ne. I think you really nailed it on the review, but I would add something about the depth. There are some famous classical pieces I listen to which the other amps poorly render the depth of a choir in the background (sometimes 20 feet back) to various degrees that make those amps range from unacceptable, to not even being able to hear that the choir isn't in the front row. The 801 really captures the distance, and i think it does so partially because of the airiness of the treble and the way it captures and conveys echo throughout the "room". And I think it is also more dynamic. That is something I haven't heard in any sub-1000 dollar amp, which is all i've ever owned. I've only heard it at a high end store, and then saw the price tag and left, sad... And St.Teresa ? It's got ssss and not exagerated shhhh like almost all the other amps except the vintage nad. I'm actually keeping this one. Done shopping. Thanks!
Great amp with great features. Love the natural sound it produces. The midrange is fantastic. For a country music fan, that was important
How does the Yamaha 801 sound through headphones? Does it have a dedicated headphone amp? Does it need one?
I really enjoyed the back and forth between you both today. The bonus conversation was very great. I found this review to be informative and entertaining. One of your best.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks, Steve!
But the 1200 doesn't have the DAC! So it can't be compared to the 801.
The R-S300 uses the same Top-ARt Chassis as the A-S801 & has an FM tuner. Drives a pair of JBL 100's beautifully.
I also have the R-S300 and waiting for a A-S801, more power but not sure if i am gonna like it better. Hope so
I have the 801 and very much like it. I auditioned the Cambridge Audio AXR 100 first, loved the detail but the sound lacked the presence (or volume) I get from the 801. Plus the Bluetooth on the AXR 100 was horrible. I have paired the 801 with an Andover Audio Songbird for streaming , running a pair of Elac Debut F6.2 - sounds great.
So which of them,in your opinion is more smooth at upper midrange and highs?Which is less schrill and fatigue for long listening sessions?Who has the most gentle highs?
Nice review. I run an 802 through Q Acoustic 3050i speakers and picked this package after finding other amps a bit warm for me. I prefer a tighter base and a slightly brighter amp. Playing with the base and treble got everything just right for my room and streaming through Airplay option can produce some stunning reproduction with the right tracks. For the money, a superb pairing 👍🏻
I prefer the yamaha a-s701(that i have with wfs 225s).Same power like the a-s801 and 200 euros cheaper.Also i don't need the dac,i like it more analogue.The mids are huge and the bass is shockingly good/deep.
Priceless, likey the best video you both have done. Here's a point for Andrew: with the money saved by buying the 801 vs 1200, you can get a FREE pair of KLH Model 5s. On Kristi's side, the 6A will do true home theater and it comes with YAPO, which will fix a myriad of issues between your room and speakers.
Please, make a review for Yamaha RN-803, one of the best vfm amplifier....
In the past, I have sold many x's Yamaha products. While I stopped that back in 96, I still have all the Yamaha equipment since then and all were put through the hard life of young ears and Metallica Black album. As for your review, spot on. Would love a short comparison to ___ integrated amp as just a alternative-same price category. Just my two cents, thumb up and thank you. Eww,,I commented before the end of the post. Cambridge you say. Actually love difference back and forth between you two. Or some bickering maybe. Thanks.
I went with the r-n803d all the imputs you could want, will stream hi-res music, internet, dab and fm radio, some great deals to be had, and it has the same power as the 801. 👍
Always loved Yamaha Amps! The sound is amazing and you can’t actually tell where speakers are placed compared to other amps using same speakers but this is my experience like 13 years ago when I demoed a few amps before picking the Yamaha over onkyo, pioneer and denon
I watch this channel for the positive family dynamics between Kristi and Andrew. They balance each other and give their audience double the perspectives. Do not let the subhuman misogynists bother you, Kristi. Just consider the source...
I believe your description of the 801 is what I experienced with the 501. I was running Heresy III‘s and a Rega P3 with the 501. I ended returning it and going back to my Marantz 2221 from the 70’s. The Yamaha sounded thin where my 25 watt Marantz has more balanced and better bottom end. I have a Marantz 30 coming this week and hope it lives up to the hype I’ve been reading online. Great review!
I'm very pleased to hear you have got your hands on a Audiolab 6000a amp, as I have the non-play version of that and combined with my LS50 Metas, I have been blown away by the sound. It is interesting that this combo has a very mixed set of reviews with some loving it and some hating it. If you still have a set of Metas to hand, I'd be very interested to hear how well you think the two pair up.
We don't have the Metas anymore, but our Audiolab review is coming. Appreciate you sharing your experience!
@@andrewrobinsonreviews And thank you for your review of the Metas as you persuaded me to buy them. I love them with all my heart and it really was the best purchasing decision I have ever made.
@@SpiritualInsanity01 So glad to hear that!
A very accurate description. If … if it had a little more density across the board, would be a superb amp to own for its price.
I use the RN803 for TV duty. Most convenient as it has a streamer and internet radio.
I like how everyone freaks out because they think that Kristi Is being sacrilegious when in fact she Is just using lógic and being a smart buyer. Hahahaha
100%
For me, my A-S801 matches great with my Klipsch RP-600Ms. In a small room 12'x10'. This system got me back into listening to music. Of course I was listening to music over crappy built-in computer speakers. I am hearing so much more in the music. Love my little system!
i will be setting up the same Mark! do you use Bluetooth transmitter how's the performance of both?
Sorry sir, I have a question, Klipsch speakers have an 8 ohm impedance. What did you select for the rear amplifier, Low or High? Thank you!
I'm with Kristi...METERS RULE!
Kristi gets it.
I’ve heard the 801 and the 2100. Saved up to get the 2100. Worth every extra penny.
Also have the V6A. Works great in the living room, but not what I would go for a music first use case.
Kristi caught you off guard haha
You didn't expect that one coming, did you? 😜
Love Andrew and Kristi, I will not buy a amp wout their review...full stop...honest!!!!Informative!!!! Unbiased!!!! Great++++
Great Review! Thanks! I just purchased the Audiolab 6000A (not the play) and a pair of Klipsch 8000 RP speakers, but I’m not sure I made the right choice.
Edit: actually I’m pretty sure I did make the right choice! After a few weeks of adjustments, and listening, etc… I’m very, very happy! 😁
Before my recent purchase, I had the Yamaha DSP-A1 since 1999. I loved it, but it recently stopped working. I liked how precise the sound stage imagery was. With my new setup, it doesn’t seem as precise.
Whats the play add over the standard?
@@Richbroth the Play adds WiFi and several streaming services. The standard doesn’t have network or streaming, but it does have Bluetooth.
As a long time Yamaha user, it's my view Yamaha represents good and even great value at the low end. I'm using a Yamaha system in the office right now. But I've replaced an RN602 with a NAD M10 for the main system and there is no comparison. The M10 has properly brought the speakers to life as well as having a far more mature software environment. The listening experience never disappoints. Of course we are talking about a completely different price point too. Horses for courses.
Regarding the Yamaha sound, it's inoffensive. It sounds OK without being outstanding. There is always plenty of grunt, but louder doesn't always make it sound better or improve the dynamics. It is Toyota in a sea of more interesting options. You won't go wrong, but you could do better - if you are prepared to explore to find what you think you are missing. Otherwise Yamaha is a safe bet.
Well said!
I agree, except for the
notion of Yamaha...
together with low-end grunt?
Mm.. not so much. 😁
Cheers.
@@dr.anthonyforgione4253 depends on your definition of low end grunt I guess. Bass at low listening levels maybe. I use a sub so I couldn't say but Yamaha have a way of dealing with that offering a pure direct (tone control bypass) mode as well as Continuously Variable Loudness Control for low volume listening. Both work well.
In terms of bang for buck RN602 is a case in point, an easy 80W/channel for under $800 in aud. Its a streamer as well so a similar sort of product to the NAD M10, although in a completely different class and at a different price point obviously.
That smooth inoffensive Yamaha delivery, with plenty of horsepower to properly light up the speakers. I don't typically play music especially loud, but appreciate the dynamics and subtlety of rendition power in reserve offers. It was the heart of the main system for a while and thoroughly enjoyed. Definitely not a high end device, but awesome bang for buck nonetheless.
It was subsequently replaced with the afore mentioned NAD M10 (nearly $4k in aud) using the same speakers. There is a great gap in resolution, user and listening experience between them. Dirac accounts for some of this, but even with Dirac disabled it is clearly a different animal. The Yamaha is properly put in its place in comparison, but remains great value at its price point at less than a quarter of the price in AU than the NAD M10.
I have a number of smaller Yamaha units around the house as well. They all sound inoffensive which is possibly why I keep buying them. That might be the Yamaha secret formula, like Toyota be capable and offend no one.