Reference the NBC suit tests: the US Army protocols for human testing a very strict and all subjects are volunteers who are fully briefed on everything they are expected to do and will experience. Additionally, they can stop at any time and leave the test. I was a division chief at the old Armor-Engineer Board (a test and evaluation organization) and that division planned and was preparing to conduct a similar test involving tank crewmen when I left for another assignment. The preparation and permission process was a monumental pain.
... all subjects are volunteers who are fully briefed ... these days.* Because let's not forget how fast and loose they were with similar tests in the 50's. That process is a pain for good reason.
Nice to know that my debilitating clinical depression actually comes from the CBRN classes and not some other outside source. I always assumed, but now I know for certain.
You are definitely my new favorite informational TH-camr I watched your two most recent videos about the fake Nations and the war crimes content like this should really have you going viral it's interesting and stuff people need and want to know
Whatever u label this new content is I think it will definitely grow man and the growth is already visible respect man keep going!!! My favorite so far has been the war crime vid.
The misuse of human bodies is pretty common to be honest. I remember before I was going to Iraq, the Army sent me to this training site that was supposed to be a really elaborate training event. A couple nights before, OPFOR had attacked this village and we responded, coordinated fires, set up positions, etc etc. The usual routine. This was day 1 and we'd continue to work in and around this village for the rest of the time. I'm a medic and they had a ton of stuff for us to manage. They had warned us beforehand that we would be dealing with a lot of simulated casualties. They never bothered to tell us that the "simulated casualties" we were going to be using were actual human cadavers. They had dozens, maybe 100 different cadavers out there for this event. Just as a single example of how these cadavers were used, We'd been radio'd that some guys in an EOD team had stepped onto a mine/IED and were blown into the air and they weren't able to immediately find them. We had to move carefully and I jumped/dove into this drainage ditch and almost landed on one of these "simulated casualties". They had actually blown both of this guys legs off and eviscerated him. This wasn't my first rodeo, but I was pretty surprised they had taken it this far. Anyway, about 5 days later, we have a KLE with the local warlord of the village. His story is that some of his fighters were wounded in the earlier fighting and he wants us to check them out. We go down to this concrete/adobe-ish building and there are 5 cadavers inside. 3 of them were lying on the floor and 2 others were placed on kitchen tables. The ones on the tables had clearly been refrigerated or something to stop them from decaying and brought out just before our arrival, but the ones on the floor (they were supposed to have been KIA in the fighting) had been left laying there since the fighting 5 days before. I don't know if it's cool to say where exactly this was, but I can say it was June and in the triple digits inside of a concrete building with a sheet metal roof. They were laying on litters/stretchers set on the floor and you could see them "melting" through the litter. The smell was unbelievable. They had sheets stretched over them, but they were sodden with human juice for lack of a better term. You could clearly see the person underneath the sheet decaying like a carved pumpkin left outside too long. I agree with using cadavers for training. That training I did was the best I ever received in the Army and genuinely prepared me for the real deal. That training that I and others received absolutely saved lives, but I'm not sure how I feel about leaving people out to rot for the "ambiance". Seeing the people rotting like that in a controlled environment definitely helped prepare me mentally for some other things I'd see down the road, but it still kind of bothers me. I wouldn't mind them blowing my legs off and disemboweling me to teach someone how to save a life, but I'm not so sure how I'd feel about them just leaving me out to fester.
@@travellinmark2745 Good question, a lot actually, so much so that we actually had to learn to treat injuries that we never had before (groin is a good example) because people started actually surviving the blasts.
@@Justin_Tayloryeah I remember joining in 2013 and learning how important tourniquets were, fast forward to the last few years and I was in a TCCC course taught by some 19th group green berets, and they were emphasizing junctional bleeds in the groin/neck, cause that’s what people were dying too since everyone got so good with tourniquets
something that makes me laugh is when we're issued ACH's. At the point in time we're issued the ACH, it's already so damaged (hairline fractures in the Kevlar itself) that its useless, and has less effectiveness than a hard hat. Now, my job doesn't require too much protection (I drive bulldozers for the army) but it still makes me laugh when First Sergeant gets all pissed off that I'm not wearing my ACH in a non combat situation.
High quality ceramic armor has impact absorbing foam on the front and bathroom wall style ceramic tiles so they can take multiple hits and won't crack when dropped. Having an integrated hard backer probably doesn't hurt either.
My dad was a lead investigator into that Biological Research (BRC) investigation in Phoenix you briefly mentioned/referenced at the start. That case has some things that were too crazy for media publications... This is actually useful research by comparison to the freezers full of pen- well you get the idea. Great video, but had to note that (not really) fun fact because I had no idea how well known that case was until i saw multiple videos referencing it.
To reinforce the “do your own research” bit, US government agencies publicly release a lot of their research articles, and most of those projects are funded beyond the average research university’s wettest dreams. It takes a bit of patience and practice to get used to reading research articles, but if you have a specific question and prefer excessive data to endless forum pages of people screaming “trust me, bro” from both sides, it’s worth looking. For example, I was re-packing a motorcycle muffler a while back and wanted to see how different materials would impact exhaust tone. I wasted a good bit of time reading conflicting forum “discussions” before backing out and finding a NASA report on a similar principle (but way larger scale) from 20-30 years ago. It was (naturally) a bit of a dense read, but it took a lot less time and frustration than I had already wasted reading forum posts without getting a decisive answer.
8:00 i like to imagine everybody involved wanted the position, but the people who ended up with it only did so on the condition that the position and terminology used under it is very demeaning.
Great video (as usual)! One follow up question is to how much risk is acceptable for a given mission in regard to the likelihood of the humans involved survivability (and not so much the material). For example the acceptable risk for US forces in ww2 (e.g. B-17 side gunner) was say X while the risk of say a risk of say a US side gunner in a Blackhawk might be Y and how is this acceptable risk determined? And is there a way to factor in the importance of the mission in such an acceptable risk level? Or do US commanders just wing this with no formal guidance?
Also does the level of training affect this acceptable risk level? For example a jet fighter might have million dollar ejection seat, which dopes not save the aircraft so it is just to save the pilot. So is replaceability of the person a factor in any such criteria for acceptable risk? Also if there is such a formal criteria can one then use that to say justify replacing a human with say a robot based on the cost of doing that vs the expanded mission capabilities (if any) from being able to incur higher risks?
When you call in the artillery strike, do you have to account for the range the artillery is firing from? What about the type of round they use? The weather? Like all that affects its accuracy, right? At point blank range you can be pretty sure the round will be close to the desired target, but at 10k it might be within say 20m which means it could be 20m closer or further away, yes? How the hell do you, a mere infantry officer, carry around all that fire control stuff in your head?
If you're calling for a strike you really don't have to account for all those factors, the fire control folks part of the artillery unit will figure out all those parameters Also a 20m difference is not that important, the lethal radius of a 155mm shell varies from 50 to 100 meters, and the casualty radius from 100 to 300 meters
I kinda wish you had actually covered the role of donated cadavers??? This is why I wouldn’t agree to use my body unless I knew exactly what was being done…if you want my organs for someone else’s livelihood that’s one thing… I would be game for a Viking funeral if my family could attend and bring drinks and food???
Another important thing to mention is that these cadavers sometimes can't be used for the thing they're donated for due to lack of capacity in both the labs and storage facilities so while stories like this seem bad at first, the choice was basically between having her corpse used for military testing or have it not used at all - even for the intended purpose of dementia research.
Wait wait wait... depleted uranium in the armor?! Yeah and here i though the thermal smoke launchers with the glass fibers, aluminum among other things were enough to stay away from armored vehicles in combat zone, with of the magazine going up, being ordinance and now drone magnets, top of that the damn thing also can cause radiation disease, cancer and heavy metal poisoning... Where OSHA when you need them?! Its bad enough DU is in the ammo penetrators throw could of DU dust, now i hear its also used in the armor adding to exposure! One hit and that shit get spread all around and more with the wind.. then again there most likely is asbestos in high amounts on the vehicles and in gear as well. Isint the M2 barrel swap glove asbestos as well? Let me guess, lead paint is used as well? Ffs and here i though the bullets and bombs flying was the dangerous enough...and we can be certain any of the results from those are not service related...
Found document TOP 2-2-712, mentioned at 7:00 in the video, on the Web, It contains testing proccedures for Automotive Winches. It isunclassified. Nice little Easter Egg you tried to slip past us!!
i was 11bravo dude, this plates are crap, heavy as hell, did a lot of damage to us soldiers back, i remember seeing ,the army going to the "LOWEST BIDDERS " and got US CRAP heavy, bad for your back, IOTVs.
Reference the NBC suit tests: the US Army protocols for human testing a very strict and all subjects are volunteers who are fully briefed on everything they are expected to do and will experience. Additionally, they can stop at any time and leave the test. I was a division chief at the old Armor-Engineer Board (a test and evaluation organization) and that division planned and was preparing to conduct a similar test involving tank crewmen when I left for another assignment. The preparation and permission process was a monumental pain.
... all subjects are volunteers who are fully briefed ... these days.*
Because let's not forget how fast and loose they were with similar tests in the 50's. That process is a pain for good reason.
Safety regulations are written in blood.
Unless they wanna see what syphilis does, then they can do it to you secretly.
The brochure: Volunteering for organ donation will save a life!
The reality: They sew your sausage skin onto someone else's sausage
I could've gone my whole life not knowing that dick skin transplants existed
Doesn't that mean you'll get laid even after death? I see that as an absolute win.
Thanks Justin for making this "kind of content" really entertaining...
I would't really know how to define this kind of content doe
@@matoas7102 funny enough I thought the same thing today.
@@Justin_Taylor DUMB JOE-tainment? But it's more about how bad our military gear history actually is ...Idk but I love it
Do me like Dorris.
Lol that was my Gramma's name!!
Nice to know that my debilitating clinical depression actually comes from the CBRN classes and not some other outside source. I always assumed, but now I know for certain.
Plot Armor joke was very clever
Thanks for pointing that out 🙏🏼
You are definitely my new favorite informational TH-camr I watched your two most recent videos about the fake Nations and the war crimes content like this should really have you going viral it's interesting and stuff people need and want to know
Whatever u label this new content is I think it will definitely grow man and the growth is already visible respect man keep going!!! My favorite so far has been the war crime vid.
You are hilarious and informative and I will share your channel with my military-minded teenager!
The misuse of human bodies is pretty common to be honest. I remember before I was going to Iraq, the Army sent me to this training site that was supposed to be a really elaborate training event. A couple nights before, OPFOR had attacked this village and we responded, coordinated fires, set up positions, etc etc. The usual routine. This was day 1 and we'd continue to work in and around this village for the rest of the time. I'm a medic and they had a ton of stuff for us to manage. They had warned us beforehand that we would be dealing with a lot of simulated casualties. They never bothered to tell us that the "simulated casualties" we were going to be using were actual human cadavers. They had dozens, maybe 100 different cadavers out there for this event. Just as a single example of how these cadavers were used, We'd been radio'd that some guys in an EOD team had stepped onto a mine/IED and were blown into the air and they weren't able to immediately find them. We had to move carefully and I jumped/dove into this drainage ditch and almost landed on one of these "simulated casualties". They had actually blown both of this guys legs off and eviscerated him. This wasn't my first rodeo, but I was pretty surprised they had taken it this far.
Anyway, about 5 days later, we have a KLE with the local warlord of the village. His story is that some of his fighters were wounded in the earlier fighting and he wants us to check them out. We go down to this concrete/adobe-ish building and there are 5 cadavers inside. 3 of them were lying on the floor and 2 others were placed on kitchen tables. The ones on the tables had clearly been refrigerated or something to stop them from decaying and brought out just before our arrival, but the ones on the floor (they were supposed to have been KIA in the fighting) had been left laying there since the fighting 5 days before. I don't know if it's cool to say where exactly this was, but I can say it was June and in the triple digits inside of a concrete building with a sheet metal roof. They were laying on litters/stretchers set on the floor and you could see them "melting" through the litter. The smell was unbelievable. They had sheets stretched over them, but they were sodden with human juice for lack of a better term. You could clearly see the person underneath the sheet decaying like a carved pumpkin left outside too long.
I agree with using cadavers for training. That training I did was the best I ever received in the Army and genuinely prepared me for the real deal. That training that I and others received absolutely saved lives, but I'm not sure how I feel about leaving people out to rot for the "ambiance". Seeing the people rotting like that in a controlled environment definitely helped prepare me mentally for some other things I'd see down the road, but it still kind of bothers me. I wouldn't mind them blowing my legs off and disemboweling me to teach someone how to save a life, but I'm not so sure how I'd feel about them just leaving me out to fester.
My poor grandma.
@@ElijahStauffer-gy2cd thank her for her service 🫡
How much did we improve from the beginning of the Iraq war in protecting soldiers from catastrophic IED injuries?
@@travellinmark2745 Good question, a lot actually, so much so that we actually had to learn to treat injuries that we never had before (groin is a good example) because people started actually surviving the blasts.
No head=dead
@@Justin_Tayloryeah I remember joining in 2013 and learning how important tourniquets were, fast forward to the last few years and I was in a TCCC course taught by some 19th group green berets, and they were emphasizing junctional bleeds in the groin/neck, cause that’s what people were dying too since everyone got so good with tourniquets
I think the rate massively decreased in 2011.
Good video. Really great stuff
Loving all the new content. Would love to see more about how the military tests random things. Might even be worthy of a series.
Ah man they sent the turret sky high. Ok that's it I'm taking my ball and going home
something that makes me laugh is when we're issued ACH's. At the point in time we're issued the ACH, it's already so damaged (hairline fractures in the Kevlar itself) that its useless, and has less effectiveness than a hard hat. Now, my job doesn't require too much protection (I drive bulldozers for the army) but it still makes me laugh when First Sergeant gets all pissed off that I'm not wearing my ACH in a non combat situation.
You’ll where your paper mâche armor and you’ll like it!
I was just talking about that case with my coworker, then I go on lunch and see this
High quality ceramic armor has impact absorbing foam on the front and bathroom wall style ceramic tiles so they can take multiple hits and won't crack when dropped. Having an integrated hard backer probably doesn't hurt either.
Your channel is really underrated, very informative video
Can you link us to the Vulnerability Community application form?
www.airforce.com/apply-now
Lmao @@Justin_Taylor
11:02 the FO in me got a little giddy
Stickers stop more bullets than grammas
Imagine telling your kids what happened to Grandma
Grandma on the thumbnail has her air assault wings. lol
As someone from central Mass, Na-Teek made me laugh a lot.
My dad was a lead investigator into that Biological Research (BRC) investigation in Phoenix you briefly mentioned/referenced at the start. That case has some things that were too crazy for media publications... This is actually useful research by comparison to the freezers full of pen- well you get the idea.
Great video, but had to note that (not really) fun fact because I had no idea how well known that case was until i saw multiple videos referencing it.
Never change they way you pronounce Chobham.
To reinforce the “do your own research” bit, US government agencies publicly release a lot of their research articles, and most of those projects are funded beyond the average research university’s wettest dreams. It takes a bit of patience and practice to get used to reading research articles, but if you have a specific question and prefer excessive data to endless forum pages of people screaming “trust me, bro” from both sides, it’s worth looking.
For example, I was re-packing a motorcycle muffler a while back and wanted to see how different materials would impact exhaust tone. I wasted a good bit of time reading conflicting forum “discussions” before backing out and finding a NASA report on a similar principle (but way larger scale) from 20-30 years ago. It was (naturally) a bit of a dense read, but it took a lot less time and frustration than I had already wasted reading forum posts without getting a decisive answer.
They could have just looked at what happened at Ft. Sill during NBC training in summer. Approaching 100% heat strokes after 2 hours.
A Danish TV show actually did make ballistic vests out of literal kitchen tiles.
Fun stuff, glad you’re making these
Combat Utility Rating had every opportunity to be the Combat Utility Metric and the fact it isn't is all that is wrong with the world
You made me laugh in a couple of placed. Well done Sir
Places
Great video. Really good stuff
Made it just 4 u
Im intrested in how often do the tank soldiers drink the pee bottles
YUMA MENTION🗣️🥳
NGL I thought this was gonna be about carpet bombing civilians to avoid house to house fighting.
I found out about you from Chris Cappy’s channel. Keep up the good work.
At first glance, I thought he was Cappy! Lol.
Check the descriptions of those videos I write a good portion of them.
@@Justin_Taylor Cool
8:00 i like to imagine everybody involved wanted the position, but the people who ended up with it only did so on the condition that the position and terminology used under it is very demeaning.
6:36 u heard it here folks
Can you talk about the fire resistant and melting properties of the army issue uniforms
This is why im not a donor...
Great video (as usual)!
One follow up question is to how much risk is acceptable for a given mission in regard to the likelihood of the humans involved survivability (and not so much the material).
For example the acceptable risk for US forces in ww2 (e.g. B-17 side gunner) was say X while the risk of say a risk of say a US side gunner in a Blackhawk might be Y and how is this acceptable risk determined? And is there a way to factor in the importance of the mission in such an acceptable risk level?
Or do US commanders just wing this with no formal guidance?
Also does the level of training affect this acceptable risk level?
For example a jet fighter might have million dollar ejection seat, which dopes not save the aircraft so it is just to save the pilot.
So is replaceability of the person a factor in any such criteria for acceptable risk?
Also if there is such a formal criteria can one then use that to say justify replacing a human with say a robot based on the cost of doing that vs the expanded mission capabilities (if any) from being able to incur higher risks?
Yes, a part two would be cool
“Shabahm armour” 😢
It’s pronounced as “Chop em” but one word and with B instead of P
When you call in the artillery strike, do you have to account for the range the artillery is firing from? What about the type of round they use? The weather? Like all that affects its accuracy, right? At point blank range you can be pretty sure the round will be close to the desired target, but at 10k it might be within say 20m which means it could be 20m closer or further away, yes? How the hell do you, a mere infantry officer, carry around all that fire control stuff in your head?
You don't. You work as part of a larger team that coordinates the effort together. No one person can do everything
@@sortaspicey9278 that’s what I thought, just had to wonder
If you're calling for a strike you really don't have to account for all those factors, the fire control folks part of the artillery unit will figure out all those parameters
Also a 20m difference is not that important, the lethal radius of a 155mm shell varies from 50 to 100 meters, and the casualty radius from 100 to 300 meters
I love the use of that annoying grandma in that goofy getup from the ads. Lmao😅
I kinda wish you had actually covered the role of donated cadavers???
This is why I wouldn’t agree to use my body unless I knew exactly what was being done…if you want my organs for someone else’s livelihood that’s one thing… I would be game for a Viking funeral if my family could attend and bring drinks and food???
plates look yum
Well hang on a second, we never followed up on Grandma! Was she okay?
i actually did not hear this article and jesus that sounds like a article the onion would publish. Interesting content tho!
I can't find the background music
Type shii
Another important thing to mention is that these cadavers sometimes can't be used for the thing they're donated for due to lack of capacity in both the labs and storage facilities so while stories like this seem bad at first, the choice was basically between having her corpse used for military testing or have it not used at all - even for the intended purpose of dementia research.
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Its a cope cage when its on a Russian Tank
Its High Tech Slat Armor when its on a Western Tank
Wait wait wait... depleted uranium in the armor?! Yeah and here i though the thermal smoke launchers with the glass fibers, aluminum among other things were enough to stay away from armored vehicles in combat zone, with of the magazine going up, being ordinance and now drone magnets, top of that the damn thing also can cause radiation disease, cancer and heavy metal poisoning... Where OSHA when you need them?! Its bad enough DU is in the ammo penetrators throw could of DU dust, now i hear its also used in the armor adding to exposure! One hit and that shit get spread all around and more with the wind.. then again there most likely is asbestos in high amounts on the vehicles and in gear as well. Isint the M2 barrel swap glove asbestos as well? Let me guess, lead paint is used as well? Ffs and here i though the bullets and bombs flying was the dangerous enough...and we can be certain any of the results from those are not service related...
Well… he donated her body to science. Nobody ever specifies how that science is conducted.
Lmao no
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thought this was about to be a Kamala Harris election support thing
Found document TOP 2-2-712, mentioned at 7:00 in the video, on the Web, It contains testing proccedures for Automotive Winches. It isunclassified. Nice little Easter Egg you tried to slip past us!!
i was 11bravo dude, this plates are crap, heavy as hell, did a lot of damage to us soldiers back, i remember seeing ,the army going to the "LOWEST BIDDERS " and got US CRAP heavy, bad for your back, IOTVs.
Words cannot express my hatred for the IOTV.
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