Merchant ships are under constant pressure to operate efficiently, get from A to B using the least amount of fuel (balanced against tight time considerations). The idea that anyone on the ship's bridge wouldn't notice an anchor dragging along the seabed for hours is highly implausable. Even in these days of automation, for nobody to notice the drop in speed or the increased revolutions to required to maintain the desired speed for so long would require an astonishing level of negligence from the entire bridge crew (likely the engine watch also). Enough for them to lose their certificates and end their careers.
Due to automated tracking of freight traffic, I think that's why the naval ships were already on it this time as soon as it entered back closer to Swedish and Danish territorial waters
After a thorough examination the CCP concludes that the anchor malfunctioned and accidentally got dragged around for 6 hours before the anchor decided it had enough
Our "greatest ally" gets caught selling our state-of-the-art military tech to be copied by our "greatest adversary".. *can they try* being less like the stereotypes???
My grandpa was a technician for our phone company back in the day. Being the autistic phone nerd I was he let me cleave and splice a fiber cable for my 12th birthday. That's still one of the coolest experiences I ever had. Thanks grandpa 🙂
@@Boulders911I'm guessing you're doing back-haul splicing (multi-peer) but here I am doing single core Residencial and minus running the actual cable all it takes is about 50 seconds XD
@@Boulders911I appreciate the work you do and even though it is hard, you can know that there are many people who are very appreciative of symmetrical up and down (pretty sure copper/coax could technically do the same but you wouldn't be able to use DOCSIS, you'd need to make a new protocol or just non-standard DOCSIS (as far as I understand it, the only reason DOCSIS is not symmetrical is at the beginning, they split the ranges for upload and download disproportionately which has resulted in asymmetric up/down up til current day, feel free to correct me if I am wrong))
Hello, I'm from Finland. The cable that was cut belonged to Cinia Oy a very important Finnish Cyber cecurity and communication cable with the State of Finland itself being a large shareholder. The ship also sailed to a Russian port after its journey. Similar thing happened the last time a chinese ship damaged critical Finnish infrastructure.
@@robertmusil1107who would you prefer to do ahady stuff? The dictatorships that consider million of lives lost by action or inaction a mere metric or even a "patriotic sacrifice" or a bunch of *insert insult* that try to keep a status quo that in no doubt helped the western world to live in peace. Its in between the factory floors of modern slavery at gun point or being able to insult your president in the face and he cant do anything about it
They're publicly known, but they also just put them only kinda sorta in the right place when laying them, and after they're laid, they move around on the bottom quite a bit. Ships only ever know if they're in the general vicinity of a cable. @@beastfr0meast93
Seems pretty obvious that something fishy was going on with that freighter. Stops in the middle of the ocean for no apparent reason and also has its tracking cut out? While being a chinese ship? It feels way too obvious that it was intentional, so I'm wondering if they're intentionally wanting to appear incompetent to make people assume that they couldn't be this stupid...
Both the cables got cut right at the time this ship was overhead. You could calculate the odds of this being accidental. Moreover, during the voyage this ship sailed over some other cables that were NOT damaged. If you'd try to calculate the odds of that happening, you'd get a very, very small number. Moreover, an anchor is ment to keep a ship from moving. So sailing a ship with its anchor out is like driving your car with the handbrake on. And as an anchor is not attached to the midline of the ship sailing with an anchor out would also yaw the ship sideways. To me it is very unlikely that any captain would not notice the anchor being dragged across the sea floor.
@@HermanIdzerda Driving the car with the handbrake on is subtle enough that the average driver doesn't even realize it. Also, the handbrake analogy is flawed because a handbrake provides a constant, fixed amount of resistance (the brake pads will provide less friction over time as they heat up, but for the most part it's basically consistent). An anchor, on the other hand, will drag against the sea floor unless it hits something big enough to snag it entirely. The larger the boat, the less they are going to notice the anchor dragging behind them until it hits something big.
@@rars0n Only an idiot or a woman would drive a car with the handbrake on w/o realizing. On a cargo ship they would certainly notice loosing several knots in speed, since they need to be updating their ETA to their destination port. Do you honestly think/assume nobody in a big freighter like this would notice if they had their anchor out? Also the handbrake analogue in this context (,which you missed btw) is perfectly valid!
yes putin is so crazy he blows up his own money pipeline and so weak he's 'bluffing' about using nukes. literally jonkler. satan II rockets aren't real they cant hurt you
I mean they're already doing their usual bs: "The republic of China will have severe repercussions for those spreading false information about yada yada yada. China does not accept this kind of behavior and it would serve you wisely to yada yada".
@@bigsussyopsec Why wouldn't Russia blow the pipeline? Russia purposefully stopped supplying gas through the pipeline, which was a huge breach in the contract they had signed with an entire continent. An international lawsuit was put against Russia, that they were assured to lose. The damages numbering in so many billions that it's not realistic for Russia to pay for what they did. By destroying the pipeline Russia bought itself some time, which is all Russia does nowadays. Just prolonging the inevitable situation that they put themselves in. Is it really that hard to believe that Russia would blow the pipeline? We're talking about a nation which has, as the only nation on the entire planet, broken over 400 international treaties since 2014. Extremely untrustworthy. Figure why China isn't interested in signing on to any treaty or deal Russia proposes.
I don't want to be pedantic cause the video is good, but maybe someone will find it interesting re: fiber optics vs conventional cables- both the optic and electric cables actually transfer information at the same speed by themselves. Fiber optics uses light, which travels at the speed of light, and electric cables use electric field, which also propagates at the speed of light (it's one half of what makes light after all, minus the perpendicular magnetic field). It is a very common misconception that the pulses travel slower in electric cable (EDIT: this is actually incorrect on a technical level as mentioned by one of the comments below. The different materials will have different speeds of light within them based on the refractive index of a given material. However for copper and most glasses used in optical fibers these indices are very close, and depending on the materials, conditions and wavelengths you're trying to send, either might have a slight advantage. It however will be so small that it is not realistically perceivable when it comes to data transfer, and will be overshadowed by other factors). The reason fiber optics actually transfer data faster is because 1) it can work on several channels in parallel, as stated in the video, but also 2) that the signals, be they optical or electrical, get dispersed and attenuated as they travel, meaning that along their path they have to be read and re-sent from amplifier stations. For electronic signals, the nature of this process is obviously electronic, and so it takes time for the signal to be read, processed, restored and re-emitted, with the bottleneck being the computational speed. The optical signal however relies on solid-state absorption-emission effects of specific materials and so the speed of processing is as fast as atomic electron transitions can occur in the material, which is usually much faster. Given how your signal will have to go through many of these amplifier stations before it reaches the target, the time saved from reading and re-emitting the signal adds up and by the end becomes perceptible to the user.
So they left tracking on before and then turned it back on after... as if object permanence doesn't exist Also, that hitting only two cables and nothing else... yeah.
I am pretty sure they want the EU to know that they are sabotaging EU infrastructure to help their Russian --friends-- pawns. This was not about doing actual damage, but about sending a message.
@@insidiousmaximus Holy shit you must have missed the memo that russian troll farm rubles arent worth a bag of onions any longer. insidiousmaximus liar.
@@insidiousmaximus yeah, I guess that's why Europe media was barely covering this incident and why Germany was so negligent with investigation. In truth, they were all afraid of Zelensky...
Waging a secret war, pushing the line of what us acceptable and lying about everything is a chinese art of war thing. Snd by chinese civil military fusion law everything chinese could be used for the military purposes. Usa would use it's power to sanction enemies who it can't justify invading like iran and russia would threaten to attack but never actually do anything to a country it can't just bully with no consequences
Wow, they solved this underwater infrastructure sabotage SO quickly compared to that gas pipeline that is still considered to be undetermined after two years.
Not really undetermined, there were several "Investigative articles" released, even in western countries, putting blame on Ukraine to put pressure on the west to cut ties with russia and start buying "cheap" fracking gas from the US
Pipelines for transporting flammables are massive undertakings that often take years to ideate and plan for, even above-ground-- it's way harder to transport than information converted to light. With seafloor pipes, you may not have to deal with land rights, but you DO have to deal with disparate hyper pressures, rapid material wear and part failure, etc. Laying pipe for repairs requires such an expensive, time-consuming, and resource-intense process that usually it is just more prudent to scrap the thing and get your gas from another pipeline. THAT is why the US was hovering a helicopter known to carry BUDS divers near the pipeline that was totally destroyed by Rooshah, hours before it was burst. US mil brass knew a Germany still giving energy cash to RU was bad news for their uphill battle in UKR theater, and they "had" to do something-- even if that something meant permanently wrecking an ally country's ability to protect hundreds of thousands of their citizens from the elements. All part of standard operating procedure for USGOVMIL.
Literally every Chinese sea vessel is a warship: Coast guard, logistics, fishing boats. The only thing that aren’t warships are literal warships which are either under water or under infinite construction hahaa!
Literally every American is a slave to !sгеаl (They even circumcise like 👃 owned slaves used to do). They can at any moment draft the entire young male population to die in the middleeast. At least they don't send thousands of their men to die in deserts.
They have enough ships across the world at all times. Seems like an effective plan. Why disrupt and destabilize with warships, when you can quietly disrupt using everyday means?
2:53 is an example of why Mental Outlaws content is superior to most, shows a satisfying clip of a grinder cutting steel, doesn't skip the scene before a penetration of steel. Smart man
- Chinese boat is suspected of deliberately destroying undersea internet cables - Danish authorities board Chinese boat - All trains and mobile coverage in Denmark suddenly fail a few days later 🤔🤔🤔
It's a lot slower. Even glass has a velocity factor of about 70%, and copper is anywhere from 80% to 60% depending on cable geometry and insulation material. I don't know if it's still going on, but as of a few years ago there was a company that had resurrected the old radio relay towers across America to use for a long-range radio transmission system. It let them shave a few milliseconds off of the communications between stock exchanges, giving them that critical edge in high-speed changing that let them take advantage of a shift in price an instant before their rivals' computers can receive the information.
AIS down time also happened to other ships on that spot. However, the Yi Peng just happened to drop the anchor just before running over one of the cables, failing to break it, the next two however, broke. The distance of dragging the anchor is revealed trough the AIS data, by the ships low and inconsistent speed.
Not to mention, it also happens that said nation, i.e. China has undersea cable laying companies that are pissed off for losing some high profile contracts.
This shouldn't cut the countries off each other completely, the traffic can still go around that, it will just take longer to load the abroad websites, because the signal takes a longer route. But it will still work to some extent. It won't work where it's strictly dependent on speed. Gamers might experience a higher ping and therefore a lot more frequent lags, video streaming will lower in quality, etc. Those are the applications that will get affected to some extent. Some applications will straight up fail, as they rely on the high speed. But most applications will manage just fine.
Electricity travelling on copper cables are also electromagnetic wave, speed is proportional to its line characteristic impedance usually travels aboun 0.6C 60 percent speed of light, in optic cables higher frequency em travels faster but don't reach the speed of light since their are guided a refractive material which also has some line impedance make it a little bit slower. I really appreciate your content and I know you are behind the details that's why I'm politely pointing it out. Thanks for your content.
Living without internet for several days(till the ISP moved to the other cable) and in our case electricity imports from mainland states were down for six months. The state made a buttload of money selling our hydro interstate so when the cable went down they had to import and run gas generators for months causing brownouts. They also lost all the money they earned. Stupid idiots.
0:47 well, electric cables also transmit signals at the speed of light. Fiber optics cables aren't better because of latency, they're better because of higher bandwidth and lower signal degradation over long distances.
Not quite. Even for fiber optic, it's slower than the "speed of light" because light travels faster through empty space. or air than material. and electric copper cables have the cons you mentioned plus are indeed slower.
Well, suppose I should have watched for another minute where you brought up those same points lol. But still, light speed in this case is irrelevant since electrical signals are just as fast. Actually, in pure copper, I believe electric signals can travel faster than fiber optic.
@@ghosthunter0950no, you're incorrect. Look up "velocity factor". Electrical signals travel through cat7 at about 75% of the speed of light, while fiber optics is 67%. Edit: but yes, you are right about the speed of light being different in different materials. I was too brief, I just wanted to get across the point that fiber optics technically aren't "faster" when it comes to latency. They are much faster if you're talking bits per second.
This also hurts Hetzner. They are a German hosting provider that has a (relatively new) data center in Helsinki, so they probably used a big chunk of that cables bandwidth.
if i had a nickel when chinese cargo ships mess up communication lines with anchors, that happened to be in the baltic sea. id have 2 nickels, which isnt much but it is weird
Weird timing, just saw a graphic of all of the undersea cables and thought - wonder how long it'd take to get them back online & that'd be a good way for a country to attack another's Internet
Few weeks. There are dozens of ships in operation who's only job is to repair and splice broken communications cables, and routinely lift cables from the bottom of the ocean way deeper than the wreck of titanic. Compared to that these cables are basically at the surface and so are much easier and cheaper to reach and repair
One minute your playing world box on your fully furnished and top of the line Macintosh computer or laptop and next you wake up to find out it’s world war 5027.
Well destroying the North Stream wasn't an act of war. Striking Russia by NATO wasn't an act of war. Why should some stupid undersea cable all of the sudden be an act of war?
Big cargo ships usually don't drop anchors outside of ports. They have engine anchors, if they want to stay in a spot they just click a button on a plotter. GPS and engine takes care of the rest. You only drop anchor if you plan to sit in a spot for days/engine fails/strong winds...So them dropping it, winding it up turning tracking off and dropping it again...Couldn't be more obvious.
2 undersea infrastructurally critical cables bet cut in the Baltics. GPS sattelite infrastructure gets targeted in the Baltics. Cargo planes receive threads and one mysteriously falls out of the sky Baltics all in a week of each other. They're really stirring something up.
WhatsGoingonWithShipping said that it wasn't likely a anchor this time because of the depth. Anchors don't typically have the amount of length necessary to drag on the bottom at that depth. I would suggest viewers check his video out, not that I think Mental Outlaw is purposely giving misinformation, it's just WhatsGoingonWithShipping is a authoritative source with a better grasp on the situation.
Actually, fiber optics are slower than the speed of light due to the glass fiber slowing it down. It's actually approximately 30% slower, depending on different factors.
We are having big problems in italy with card payments, in switzerland “they were making maintenance on gas tubes and severed some cables” So the bank services were shut down. This is getting scary
Great video! I think there's a small nitpick though. The signals will travel at the speed of light *in optic fiber* which is around 2/3 of what we call the speed of light (in a vacuum) so you can certainly send information at a faster speed than that.
The thing with submarine cables is there's rather a lot of them. To make any meaningful difference to communications in an area like the baltic sea you'd have to take out a lot of them in a very short time frame which would require multiple vessles and still be a lot of effort and it would absolutly be noticed right away. There's no point taking out one or two because traffic will just get routed around it. Sure it might cost the cable companies a few dollars to repair but it's hardly going to be noticed by the average user
Like fr they literally just didn't give a fuck and flew a plane over the pipelines. Plane that could carry something suspiciously similar in TNT equivalent to what blew the pipelines.
@@xDMG15x Of course not! Our media doesn't cover anything that counters the Slobba Ukryyyyyne narrative, including said false-flag sabotage of an important ally's VERY important piece of civilian infrastructure. Can't have our citizens suddenly thinking for themselves and demanding their tax dollars be spent wisely, or questioning Daddy Gov, now can we?
Since Chinese is a communist nation, and thus private shipping/business doesn't exist as far as China is concerned, other countries should treat this like an act of aggression because it was.
You're clueless if you're calling China communist purely based off the name of the ruling political party. Its a managed economy capitalist state first and foremost. Private shipping and businesses certainly exist in China, the issue is that the government can pressure any domestic company to do whatever they want.
You should watch what's going on with the shipping channel where Sal pointed out that in one instance there were four cables and pipes and the one that got damaged going last on the course of the vessel. If only they wanted to damage precisely that one cable it have some sense. But since we have no idea what they were thinking about, we can actually assume criminal negligence. Since there were multiple incidents with lost anchors and multiple instances of various governing bodies inspections displayed general lack of proper maintenance on Chinese ships. Sabotage is not excluded. But as for now, there is much more evidence of typical capitalism, rather than criminal activity.
Just more info, the ship was stopped by Danish roayl navy and has been sitting still near Danish and Swedish territorial waters, closely monitored by Baltic sea NATO members. But as by international maritine law they cannot start investigating or arresting people unless they get a permission from the ship's host country China, which those nations are in active contact with to do just that. They actually couldn't even stop the ship as it is in international waters but those countries learned from the year ago incident where the ship was just let go that the maritine law is kinda stupid as it does not consider sabotage in international waters.
I saw that ship the other week where I live and it was doing the same shit. The funny thing is that over here they are looking for the cable in the wrong area and the area they are doing this in only has an old telegraph line connecting to the mainland.
I just wanted to play with computers, but now I am forced to learn about geopolitics, OSINT and clandestine maritime operations :(
incredibly accurate
ibm was started by the nazis dude
No one is forcing you to learn those.
Stay ignorant it is better
@@sev7463 erm ackshully im an information addicted zoomer so i need to constantly keep reading in search of the "truth". must...nootice...
“Sir, another anchor has hit the second cable”
Those cables need to get the hell out of the way of "our" **Soviet anthem plays** Anchors!!!
What about the third cable? 19/11 was an inside job. Wake up people!
In this case, it's the same anchor.
steel cables can't break anchors
LMFAOOOOOOO
Merchant ships are under constant pressure to operate efficiently, get from A to B using the least amount of fuel (balanced against tight time considerations). The idea that anyone on the ship's bridge wouldn't notice an anchor dragging along the seabed for hours is highly implausable.
Even in these days of automation, for nobody to notice the drop in speed or the increased revolutions to required to maintain the desired speed for so long would require an astonishing level of negligence from the entire bridge crew (likely the engine watch also). Enough for them to lose their certificates and end their careers.
Makes sense. As the video says, its TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO COINCIDENTAL that they didn't know.
You do forget that they are from China
cables are suspended in the water using buoys, not sitting on the ocean floor, much easier to damage than with an anchor dragging
Automation would detect increased fuel consumption the second it happens.
Due to automated tracking of freight traffic, I think that's why the naval ships were already on it this time as soon as it entered back closer to Swedish and Danish territorial waters
After a thorough examination the CCP concludes that the anchor malfunctioned and accidentally got dragged around for 6 hours before the anchor decided it had enough
dont forget how they make islands from scratch in attempt to make landbases in middle of the sea and expand territory
@poremechen yeah, China and Russia just love to claim shit because of historic reasons
And the anchor was made in Taiwan, that's why malfunctioned in the first place.
@@jonasplima yea this is taiwans fault
The ship was flying the chinese flag, but the crew was russian, this happens quite often to avoid all sorts of taxes and regulations
the only way this story could be more Chinese is if they used a patented cable cutting anchor they stole from a hack at Lockheed martin
“This cable cutter looks suspiciously like an F-35!!!1 Coincidence?!?”
Bach when Lockheed made stuff worth stealing
Or that Israelis sold them..
Our "greatest ally" gets caught selling our state-of-the-art military tech to be copied by our "greatest adversary".. *can they try* being less like the stereotypes???
Oh no, we accidentally build a plane like yours what a coincidence "Shuffles stolen document notes."
My grandpa was a technician for our phone company back in the day. Being the autistic phone nerd I was he let me cleave and splice a fiber cable for my 12th birthday. That's still one of the coolest experiences I ever had. Thanks grandpa 🙂
I work with fiber and I hate it, 2 hours to repair a cable
UwUtism
@@Boulders911I'm guessing you're doing back-haul splicing (multi-peer) but here I am doing single core Residencial and minus running the actual cable all it takes is about 50 seconds XD
ah yes, a genuine autist. respect.
@@Boulders911I appreciate the work you do and even though it is hard, you can know that there are many people who are very appreciative of symmetrical up and down (pretty sure copper/coax could technically do the same but you wouldn't be able to use DOCSIS, you'd need to make a new protocol or just non-standard DOCSIS (as far as I understand it, the only reason DOCSIS is not symmetrical is at the beginning, they split the ranges for upload and download disproportionately which has resulted in asymmetric up/down up til current day, feel free to correct me if I am wrong))
You break it, you pay for it.
There be no laws on the high sea.
not sure if that apply to the sea. they can also make you pay for their ship if thats the case.
yeah, like the US will pay for North Stream... It will never happen.
@@VJETRA that would be like a business owner having to pay a car that crashed on your storefront
@@VJETRAwu mao
>be fish
>break cables
>humans blame each other
>they all die in ww3
>fish population booms
the trout population benefits from this
Fake, if fish were real they would drown.
based an fishpilled
Im not certain life will survive ww3
Fishbros, this is how we win.
Hello, I'm from Finland.
The cable that was cut belonged to Cinia Oy a very important Finnish Cyber cecurity and communication cable with the State of Finland itself being a large shareholder.
The ship also sailed to a Russian port after its journey. Similar thing happened the last time a chinese ship damaged critical Finnish infrastructure.
Happens, like certain US-american ships destroying gas pipelines. Unfortunate when someone does the same thing.
@@robertmusil1107who would you prefer to do ahady stuff? The dictatorships that consider million of lives lost by action or inaction a mere metric or even a "patriotic sacrifice" or a bunch of *insert insult* that try to keep a status quo that in no doubt helped the western world to live in peace. Its in between the factory floors of modern slavery at gun point or being able to insult your president in the face and he cant do anything about it
Oy
Oy vey! Na zdorovje
@@robertmusil1107i don't recall Finland being the U.S.
The thumbnail is killing me
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Use dearrow ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
straigh8 🔥 bro ! 😂
It's a gem o algo.
death by meme
what will be next. a boeing accidentally dropping it's door onto a chinese cable?
Actually funy anought a day before beoing dropped near DC in lithuania
They can call it reverse 911 or something
A Boeing shipping huge tungsten rods accidentally dropping them onto the Three Gorges Dam.
@@kavkythe ISS*
When you sent the wrong picture to your finnish homie
It takes around 8 hours to replace a cut. It is pretty wild and impressive that they can do that in that water depth.
It seems like the ship has done damage even before 😅
Two cables connected between Denmark and Sweden. One for electricity and one for data.
I thought it might be a precision game but you could just drag a anchor on the bed until you sever something
The X-Men are helping them.
@@emily1 most cables are publicly known. Sometimes, fishermen drag their nets and do damage on smaller cables too.
They're publicly known, but they also just put them only kinda sorta in the right place when laying them, and after they're laid, they move around on the bottom quite a bit. Ships only ever know if they're in the general vicinity of a cable. @@beastfr0meast93
they just hit the second cable
rain worl
rain worl
lmao
rain worl
Wtf is "rain worl"?
Seems pretty obvious that something fishy was going on with that freighter. Stops in the middle of the ocean for no apparent reason and also has its tracking cut out? While being a chinese ship? It feels way too obvious that it was intentional, so I'm wondering if they're intentionally wanting to appear incompetent to make people assume that they couldn't be this stupid...
Both the cables got cut right at the time this ship was overhead. You could calculate the odds of this being accidental. Moreover, during the voyage this ship sailed over some other cables that were NOT damaged. If you'd try to calculate the odds of that happening, you'd get a very, very small number. Moreover, an anchor is ment to keep a ship from moving. So sailing a ship with its anchor out is like driving your car with the handbrake on. And as an anchor is not attached to the midline of the ship sailing with an anchor out would also yaw the ship sideways. To me it is very unlikely that any captain would not notice the anchor being dragged across the sea floor.
@@HermanIdzerdathat's just false. You don't just suddenly stop after hitting the brake you slow down gradually
@@ainz2579wu mao
@@HermanIdzerda Driving the car with the handbrake on is subtle enough that the average driver doesn't even realize it. Also, the handbrake analogy is flawed because a handbrake provides a constant, fixed amount of resistance (the brake pads will provide less friction over time as they heat up, but for the most part it's basically consistent). An anchor, on the other hand, will drag against the sea floor unless it hits something big enough to snag it entirely. The larger the boat, the less they are going to notice the anchor dragging behind them until it hits something big.
@@rars0n Only an idiot or a woman would drive a car with the handbrake on w/o realizing.
On a cargo ship they would certainly notice loosing several knots in speed, since they need to be updating their ETA to their destination port. Do you honestly think/assume nobody in a big freighter like this would notice if they had their anchor out? Also the handbrake analogue in this context (,which you missed btw) is perfectly valid!
Ill be watching for the headline "China accuses the west of damaging its anchors"
The pure projection of the joke lmao, we had this headline for nordstream which Russia exploded by the western media lmao
yes putin is so crazy he blows up his own money pipeline and so weak he's 'bluffing' about using nukes. literally jonkler. satan II rockets aren't real they cant hurt you
I mean they're already doing their usual bs: "The republic of China will have severe repercussions for those spreading false information about yada yada yada. China does not accept this kind of behavior and it would serve you wisely to yada yada".
@@bigsussyopsec Why wouldn't Russia blow the pipeline? Russia purposefully stopped supplying gas through the pipeline, which was a huge breach in the contract they had signed with an entire continent. An international lawsuit was put against Russia, that they were assured to lose. The damages numbering in so many billions that it's not realistic for Russia to pay for what they did. By destroying the pipeline Russia bought itself some time, which is all Russia does nowadays. Just prolonging the inevitable situation that they put themselves in.
Is it really that hard to believe that Russia would blow the pipeline? We're talking about a nation which has, as the only nation on the entire planet, broken over 400 international treaties since 2014. Extremely untrustworthy. Figure why China isn't interested in signing on to any treaty or deal Russia proposes.
"Russians destroyed nordstream" type thing ?
I don't want to be pedantic cause the video is good, but maybe someone will find it interesting re: fiber optics vs conventional cables- both the optic and electric cables actually transfer information at the same speed by themselves. Fiber optics uses light, which travels at the speed of light, and electric cables use electric field, which also propagates at the speed of light (it's one half of what makes light after all, minus the perpendicular magnetic field). It is a very common misconception that the pulses travel slower in electric cable (EDIT: this is actually incorrect on a technical level as mentioned by one of the comments below. The different materials will have different speeds of light within them based on the refractive index of a given material. However for copper and most glasses used in optical fibers these indices are very close, and depending on the materials, conditions and wavelengths you're trying to send, either might have a slight advantage. It however will be so small that it is not realistically perceivable when it comes to data transfer, and will be overshadowed by other factors). The reason fiber optics actually transfer data faster is because 1) it can work on several channels in parallel, as stated in the video, but also 2) that the signals, be they optical or electrical, get dispersed and attenuated as they travel, meaning that along their path they have to be read and re-sent from amplifier stations. For electronic signals, the nature of this process is obviously electronic, and so it takes time for the signal to be read, processed, restored and re-emitted, with the bottleneck being the computational speed. The optical signal however relies on solid-state absorption-emission effects of specific materials and so the speed of processing is as fast as atomic electron transitions can occur in the material, which is usually much faster. Given how your signal will have to go through many of these amplifier stations before it reaches the target, the time saved from reading and re-emitting the signal adds up and by the end becomes perceptible to the user.
Oh thanks! This was really insightful. You basically answered all my questions about the logistics of data transfers over sea cables 🙌🙌
This is not the right forum and format to reach out and teach people, but.. Thanks for a good read.
Awesome read, thanks! :D
@afroninjadeluxe really?
nice read. It's similar to when people talk about internet speed being fast, sometimes they mean low delay, sometimes they mean high bandwidth.
China using the "yer honor I simply found these drugs and was literally on my way to hand them in" defense.
"I was just shaving myself, when all of a sudden the deceased ran straight into my knife 47 times!"
Well, they don’t really need a defense here. finland are a bunch nobodies.
So they left tracking on before and then turned it back on after... as if object permanence doesn't exist
Also, that hitting only two cables and nothing else... yeah.
Wave functions. When they turned off the tracker, they entered a quantum state. Genius.
I am pretty sure they want the EU to know that they are sabotaging EU infrastructure to help their Russian --friends-- pawns. This was not about doing actual damage, but about sending a message.
@@pluto8404 Just like how the Nordstream pipeline destruction happened.
@@luddity
That was almost certainly Ukraine, they had most to gain.
@@DavidBusiness-wb2jo they admitted to it so yeah.
6:21 We've investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing
Yi Peng: _Oops, we didn’t know_ 🥺👉🏻👈🏻
😂😂
When gas pipelines accidentally explode in the sea, you shouldn't be surprised if the cables break
infrastructure was built by fat tony.
@@pluto8404 supplies where made in china
@@sayorancode *were
No one claims that the NordStream pipeline explosion was an accident.
@@galileo_rsI do
Gas pipelines just blow up by themselves and anchors accidentally get dropped the world is a mystery.
insert Jonathan Frakes
Baltic sea is becoming Bermuda triangle for infrastructure
you must have missed the news where Zelensky admitted it was one of his own that blew up the pipelines... it was a month or two ago
@@insidiousmaximus Holy shit you must have missed the memo that russian troll farm rubles arent worth a bag of onions any longer. insidiousmaximus
liar.
@@insidiousmaximus yeah, I guess that's why Europe media was barely covering this incident and why Germany was so negligent with investigation. In truth, they were all afraid of Zelensky...
When he just mentioned the possibility of it being intentional sabotage i already knew it had to be a chinese ship
and I assumed it was the Americans
I was counting on russia
@@arndbrack2339 It might be Russia indirectly. Probably China doing a favor for them.
Waging a secret war, pushing the line of what us acceptable and lying about everything is a chinese art of war thing. Snd by chinese civil military fusion law everything chinese could be used for the military purposes. Usa would use it's power to sanction enemies who it can't justify invading like iran and russia would threaten to attack but never actually do anything to a country it can't just bully with no consequences
who else to be honest
Wow, they solved this underwater infrastructure sabotage SO quickly compared to that gas pipeline that is still considered to be undetermined after two years.
Everyone knows it was the CIA
Not really undetermined, there were several "Investigative articles" released, even in western countries, putting blame on Ukraine to put pressure on the west to cut ties with russia and start buying "cheap" fracking gas from the US
Or compared to a small elevator at a German train station (often not fixed for a week).
Pipelines for transporting flammables are massive undertakings that often take years to ideate and plan for, even above-ground-- it's way harder to transport than information converted to light. With seafloor pipes, you may not have to deal with land rights, but you DO have to deal with disparate hyper pressures, rapid material wear and part failure, etc. Laying pipe for repairs requires such an expensive, time-consuming, and resource-intense process that usually it is just more prudent to scrap the thing and get your gas from another pipeline. THAT is why the US was hovering a helicopter known to carry BUDS divers near the pipeline that was totally destroyed by Rooshah, hours before it was burst. US mil brass knew a Germany still giving energy cash to RU was bad news for their uphill battle in UKR theater, and they "had" to do something-- even if that something meant permanently wrecking an ally country's ability to protect hundreds of thousands of their citizens from the elements. All part of standard operating procedure for USGOVMIL.
We all know it was a Ukrainian false-flag operation to destroy that pipeline, otherwise western governments would have hastily blamed Russia for it.
Literally every Chinese sea vessel is a warship: Coast guard, logistics, fishing boats. The only thing that aren’t warships are literal warships which are either under water or under infinite construction hahaa!
owned.
Libtard tier joke
Literally every American is a slave to !sгеаl (They even circumcise like 👃 owned slaves used to do). They can at any moment draft the entire young male population to die in the middleeast. At least they don't send thousands of their men to die in deserts.
keep malding whiteboi, this is CHINA's world now!
Infinite construction? They produce more ships than any other country
Turning off the transponder and cutting two cables before turning the transponder back on is a little bit more than just suspicious.....
EU should fine the chinese company for it
Why ? They haven't proven this was deliberate
@ they should still fix what they break
@@testacals so if i accidentally destroy your car, you wouldnt mind? interesting
Npc 😂@@Ultrajamz
@@testacalsit's like forgetting your doors open just beside you
These are just practice runs for when they decide to cut every cable and gas line they can in the world
They have enough ships across the world at all times. Seems like an effective plan. Why disrupt and destabilize with warships, when you can quietly disrupt using everyday means?
@@addmix Lots of vital and vulnerable infrastructure that could suddenly cease to function as intended during the next major trade dispute.
@@luddity And then the only person with a functional communications network is of course comrade Elon!
2:53 is an example of why Mental Outlaws content is superior to most, shows a satisfying clip of a grinder cutting steel, doesn't skip the scene before a penetration of steel. Smart man
china is like me at work: subtle sabotage with plausible deniability
"China has concluded that it wasn't China's fault"
- Chinese boat is suspected of deliberately destroying undersea internet cables
- Danish authorities board Chinese boat
- All trains and mobile coverage in Denmark suddenly fail a few days later
🤔🤔🤔
BTW the electromagnetic waves in copper also move at the speed of light, and it's slower than the speed of light in vacuum for copper and for glass.
ok
It's a lot slower. Even glass has a velocity factor of about 70%, and copper is anywhere from 80% to 60% depending on cable geometry and insulation material.
I don't know if it's still going on, but as of a few years ago there was a company that had resurrected the old radio relay towers across America to use for a long-range radio transmission system. It let them shave a few milliseconds off of the communications between stock exchanges, giving them that critical edge in high-speed changing that let them take advantage of a shift in price an instant before their rivals' computers can receive the information.
AIS down time also happened to other ships on that spot. However, the Yi Peng just happened to drop the anchor just before running over one of the cables, failing to break it, the next two however, broke. The distance of dragging the anchor is revealed trough the AIS data, by the ships low and inconsistent speed.
Sharks looking for sushi but finding fiber optics instead
No Crabson, please don't cut le hekin internet cable.
The cable situation is insane 💀
cableslop
Oh, that is gore of my comfort fiber optic cable :(
please get out of the house for longer than 5 seconds
Fibre optic cable... high speed internet access.
Lot's of money in this shit. 🤌
It's bad
Not to mention, it also happens that said nation, i.e. China has undersea cable laying companies that are pissed off for losing some high profile contracts.
This shouldn't cut the countries off each other completely, the traffic can still go around that, it will just take longer to load the abroad websites, because the signal takes a longer route. But it will still work to some extent. It won't work where it's strictly dependent on speed. Gamers might experience a higher ping and therefore a lot more frequent lags, video streaming will lower in quality, etc. Those are the applications that will get affected to some extent. Some applications will straight up fail, as they rely on the high speed. But most applications will manage just fine.
So let's not ignore what this is. An all-out war on gamers.
3:15 Chinese ship. Imagine my shock.
"You can't just deploy shaped charges at some undersea cables"
CIA: What about undersea pipes?
If anyone is wondering, the video starts at 0:00
That's great thank you
i can't stand these long intros!!! I want 0s of my life back!
2:32
Nu uhhh. You’re not getting free internet shark. The glass is the cosiest thing in that ocean hahaa!
That Chinese ship had a Russian captain at the time of the incident.
Whole crew was russian iirc
idk there is something really funny about watching a shark trying to eat an under sea fiber optic cable
Electricity travelling on copper cables are also electromagnetic wave, speed is proportional to its line characteristic impedance usually travels aboun 0.6C 60 percent speed of light, in optic cables higher frequency em travels faster but don't reach the speed of light since their are guided a refractive material which also has some line impedance make it a little bit slower. I really appreciate your content and I know you are behind the details that's why I'm politely pointing it out. Thanks for your content.
Never been this early, let’s see what happens when undersea cables gets cut
You'll no longer get to claim early comment once they get cut
Living without internet for several days(till the ISP moved to the other cable) and in our case electricity imports from mainland states were down for six months.
The state made a buttload of money selling our hydro interstate so when the cable went down they had to import and run gas generators for months causing brownouts. They also lost all the money they earned. Stupid idiots.
0:47 well, electric cables also transmit signals at the speed of light. Fiber optics cables aren't better because of latency, they're better because of higher bandwidth and lower signal degradation over long distances.
Not quite.
Even for fiber optic, it's slower than the "speed of light" because light travels faster through empty space. or air than material. and electric copper cables have the cons you mentioned plus are indeed slower.
Well, suppose I should have watched for another minute where you brought up those same points lol. But still, light speed in this case is irrelevant since electrical signals are just as fast. Actually, in pure copper, I believe electric signals can travel faster than fiber optic.
@@ghosthunter0950no, you're incorrect. Look up "velocity factor". Electrical signals travel through cat7 at about 75% of the speed of light, while fiber optics is 67%.
Edit: but yes, you are right about the speed of light being different in different materials. I was too brief, I just wanted to get across the point that fiber optics technically aren't "faster" when it comes to latency. They are much faster if you're talking bits per second.
@@ghosthunter0950 It is at the speed of light because it is literally using light.
electric cables are also heavier and costs more.
This also hurts Hetzner. They are a German hosting provider that has a (relatively new) data center in Helsinki, so they probably used a big chunk of that cables bandwidth.
if i had a nickel when chinese cargo ships mess up communication lines with anchors, that happened to be in the baltic sea. id have 2 nickels, which isnt much but it is weird
That it happened twice.
They produce most of the ships. So it isn't unlikely.
They tried a third time during these 24 h.
"Fiber optic cable. High speed internet access"
Some random shark: "I LOVE EATING FIBER OPTIC CABLES"
Chewy and vibrates light yum
Weird timing, just saw a graphic of all of the undersea cables and thought - wonder how long it'd take to get them back online & that'd be a good way for a country to attack another's Internet
Few weeks. There are dozens of ships in operation who's only job is to repair and splice broken communications cables, and routinely lift cables from the bottom of the ocean way deeper than the wreck of titanic. Compared to that these cables are basically at the surface and so are much easier and cheaper to reach and repair
@@MVargic Also these arent major cables, and have quite a lot of redundancy (damage to them didnt affect anything at all, lol).
Its wild considering i knew a teacher in school that worked in the navy as a diver tapping russian communications cables.
If it's about Chinese, it's never a coincedence
What are these thumbnails bruh 😭😭😭
Casually adding “lasers” to the list of demolition tools is proof that we live in the future.
time to blast radio into space as backup backhaul 😂
One minute your playing world box on your fully furnished and top of the line Macintosh computer or laptop and next you wake up to find out it’s world war 5027.
The crew was Russian and they turned off their transponder. It was an act of war.
Well destroying the North Stream wasn't an act of war.
Striking Russia by NATO wasn't an act of war.
Why should some stupid undersea cable all of the sudden be an act of war?
Big cargo ships usually don't drop anchors outside of ports. They have engine anchors, if they want to stay in a spot they just click a button on a plotter. GPS and engine takes care of the rest. You only drop anchor if you plan to sit in a spot for days/engine fails/strong winds...So them dropping it, winding it up turning tracking off and dropping it again...Couldn't be more obvious.
2 undersea infrastructurally critical cables bet cut in the Baltics. GPS sattelite infrastructure gets targeted in the Baltics. Cargo planes receive threads and one mysteriously falls out of the sky Baltics all in a week of each other.
They're really stirring something up.
“We believe two of our undersea cables got cut again sir.”
*Sighs*
“Go ahead, blame it on the Iraqi’s again…”
Refreshing my youtube feed was worth
WhatsGoingonWithShipping said that it wasn't likely a anchor this time because of the depth. Anchors don't typically have the amount of length necessary to drag on the bottom at that depth. I would suggest viewers check his video out, not that I think Mental Outlaw is purposely giving misinformation, it's just WhatsGoingonWithShipping is a authoritative source with a better grasp on the situation.
Actually, fiber optics are slower than the speed of light due to the glass fiber slowing it down. It's actually approximately 30% slower, depending on different factors.
We are having big problems in italy with card payments, in switzerland “they were making maintenance on gas tubes and severed some cables”
So the bank services were shut down. This is getting scary
If you see this message, the cables are still working.
Not necessarily, depends on where you live and redundancy of the system where effected.
An anchor is probably going to fall out a window.
What's up, greetings from Germany ❤
>170 meters
"That's almost TWO football fields!"
Fool me once shame on you
Fool me twice shame on me
Great video! I think there's a small nitpick though. The signals will travel at the speed of light *in optic fiber* which is around 2/3 of what we call the speed of light (in a vacuum) so you can certainly send information at a faster speed than that.
Time to play Russian/Chinese Gaslight bingo!
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Russian? What Russia has to do with this one?
@@-WarCriminal-22 Russia and China do the same gaslighting. That's all.
@@-WarCriminal-22 they did it
@@-WarCriminal-22 Everything a Westerner doesn't like is Russian/Chinese sabotage.
Be interesting to see how they actually fix the cable… one hell of a splicing job!
Ohhh My Eye Is Getting Itchy........
*Piwonk*
HHHHHHHHHHHAHHhHhhhhhHHHHHHHH
The thing with submarine cables is there's rather a lot of them. To make any meaningful difference to communications in an area like the baltic sea you'd have to take out a lot of them in a very short time frame which would require multiple vessles and still be a lot of effort and it would absolutly be noticed right away. There's no point taking out one or two because traffic will just get routed around it. Sure it might cost the cable companies a few dollars to repair but it's hardly going to be noticed by the average user
This thumbnail is yet another perfect masterful art lmao
Western politicians won't bite the hand that feeds. Not yet anyways.
More like won't bite the hand that beats.
Feeds??
@@iam5085 chonese and ruzzians sponsor a lot of politicians that push their agendas, like Orban in Hungary and Le Penn in France.
They will once we get manufacturing back into the economy.
Dude, that thumbnail is golden 😄
Its okay i'll just use the wi-fi.
the moment china gets mentioned i imediately become suspicious
2:45 "That kind of sabotage will be way to obvious"...
US looking at North Streams: HOLD MY BEER
Like fr they literally just didn't give a fuck and flew a plane over the pipelines. Plane that could carry something suspiciously similar in TNT equivalent to what blew the pipelines.
I’m guessing the US media didn’t cover the Politiken article about the danish harbour master who witnessed the operation?
*too
@@xDMG15x Of course not! Our media doesn't cover anything that counters the Slobba Ukryyyyyne narrative, including said false-flag sabotage of an important ally's VERY important piece of civilian infrastructure. Can't have our citizens suddenly thinking for themselves and demanding their tax dollars be spent wisely, or questioning Daddy Gov, now can we?
Russian ship did nordstream
Thats why Starlink is so important
You think they can't EMP the sattelites?
@ they can but when they do they get many others too
mental outlaws thumbnails are alwayse the best
The same day, a US submarine spotted in a local fisher net.
You can't make this up.
Since Chinese is a communist nation, and thus private shipping/business doesn't exist as far as China is concerned, other countries should treat this like an act of aggression because it was.
No
@@derdoctor1895 why not, they are already playing nuclear chicken with Russia?
there is private business in China, what are you talking about?
You're clueless if you're calling China communist purely based off the name of the ruling political party. Its a managed economy capitalist state first and foremost. Private shipping and businesses certainly exist in China, the issue is that the government can pressure any domestic company to do whatever they want.
Yeah china has plenty of private business thats a bit of a silly comment
You should watch what's going on with the shipping channel where Sal pointed out that in one instance there were four cables and pipes and the one that got damaged going last on the course of the vessel. If only they wanted to damage precisely that one cable it have some sense. But since we have no idea what they were thinking about, we can actually assume criminal negligence. Since there were multiple incidents with lost anchors and multiple instances of various governing bodies inspections displayed general lack of proper maintenance on Chinese ships.
Sabotage is not excluded. But as for now, there is much more evidence of typical capitalism, rather than criminal activity.
not like someone blew up a gas pipeline.
Just more info, the ship was stopped by Danish roayl navy and has been sitting still near Danish and Swedish territorial waters, closely monitored by Baltic sea NATO members. But as by international maritine law they cannot start investigating or arresting people unless they get a permission from the ship's host country China, which those nations are in active contact with to do just that. They actually couldn't even stop the ship as it is in international waters but those countries learned from the year ago incident where the ship was just let go that the maritine law is kinda stupid as it does not consider sabotage in international waters.
Nord stream now this
as a victim, i can cofirm my internet is WAY slower now
Is this a service paid by the Russians, or Chinese motu propio?
the crew just took a fishing break and got an international fiber optic cable on the hook. Once they found out they released it no worry
Can we cut whatever cables connect india to the rest of the world?
In your dreams saar 😡🖕🏻
Excellent summary! Thank you very much! 💪
what would be the strategic gain of doing something this petty and insignificant
discord beef-tier lashing out. someone took away xi's roles?
bro they are chinese, cmon
Is this a serious question? Lmao how dumb are you
Imagine all of them cut eventually, significant enough?
the Chinese military just love harassing others. they constantly fly jets through Taiwan's airspace despite constant warnings.
I saw that ship the other week where I live and it was doing the same shit. The funny thing is that over here they are looking for the cable in the wrong area and the area they are doing this in only has an old telegraph line connecting to the mainland.
Dude in a pending invasion, what's the first thing you take out? Comms. 😂
I remember a documentary about the whole debacle of the fight for the under sea cables.
Both sides have interests on tapping the wire.