Finally had a chance to listen - wow, what a difference! The newer one introduces some fizzy high end. Sounds way harsher - also sounds more scooped on the mids.
I try not to be that big of a snob and usually think in old vr new comparense that the new one is just as good here not so much. I do a lot of speaker swaps as i beleive they make the biggest easiest change in your amps tone.so old one wins by a shitload to me. Pissed i usually have to get by with the cheaper new one but if we,er just talking tone........
This is not a design and manufacturing problem. I think, since seventies all stuff became rotten. This is a rubber parts, that lost a elasticy, a magnets, that lost a magnetability and something like that. So, you think it's better, but it's just an age.
Forget the cabinets, that song was really tasty Johan! Now back to the cabs, that 71 sounds so sweet on the mid range. It's mellow, it's smooth and I want one. That being said, I think that new one would compliment a heavier rock tone a little better. Great video Johan!
Let me say....the 1971 1960A sounds like a how a good old Whiskey taste, the 2010 is moonshine. Nuff said. Great played as always. Cheers from Jamtland Sweden
Thanks for this comparison. The difference is far beyond I'd expect. I can see that the mic placement is a little different between old and new. In the new one it`s closer to center. It should contribute for the difference we are hearing.
@Johan Segeborn I watch a lot of guitar/tone/review videos to inform myself on what I am looking for in my own tone search. There are dozens of videos that have very capable and even virtuosic guitar players and despite the high level of playing ability, composing in these videos often falls flatter than flat. Opinion is subjective, yes, but one thing that makes your videos so great is your songwriting ability. That is to say, the licks, the riffs and the balance of the "band" to play in it's respective role in a completely digestible way. That and the simple approach you take for recording. I love the drums sound in this one. That kick has sooooo much character. This track has been playing in my mind for 3 days! As always, great work!
Different to one another for sure , older is warmer , but both good . But the band and tune is so very excellent ! Who are those guys ! LOL Great clip again my friend ! Always the best to be found here ....... lets go !
I Do so enjoy your split screen mixes! Thanks for using the single coils! Well done and thanks for sharing brother! Be Well Johan! Oh the Cabs? Love them both of course!
Was thinking about getting myself one of those new 4x12 cabs with greenback speakers but after hearing this i now know why i didn't like the 1960ax cab that i once had, so I won't be buying anything. Thank you for this video!
Excellent song Johan! Love it, and loved getting to hear these in the mix. Both individually sound great, and would be an awesome tone to have. The 1970 cab just sounded clearer and less harsh, much preferred over the newer cab. The 2010 cab while still a great tone, did seem to have a little more edge to it and a bit more treble. Love the band!
Wow. It’s so different to me, that if I didn’t know, I’d assume the speakers were “a different type”.....great vid. Of course I enjoyed the older one....much more “girth” to my ears.
I love when your cam shakes! The power is there! Older: a bit more mid range. New one: more scooped. But let the cab breath for more 20 years. :) The new one is already broken? Nonetheless, the TONE is astonishing. No one is better than another. You should do an album. So cool and refresh! Cheers,
Best channel on youtube!!!... would be awesome to if you could test some of the other greenback clones to see if there is some that comes closer to the original
I really try hard to not be "That guy" that strictly like old gear because it's cool. That being said those older cabs and speakers have consistently impressed me every time Johan has played them. Also, Johan, that was great playing as always! Cheers!!!
Johan great video, But i wasnt surprised of the results. Celestion moved their basic line of speakers production to their plant in china somewhere in 2003. Leaving only the heritage series, alnico gold, blue and Mesa's V30 version to still being produced in the UK. Which means that the v30s, g75t12 creambacks and greenbacks are being produced in china with different cone sizes and materials, hence the big difference in sound! However there are some good news, apparently some v30s "marshall label" are still being produced in the UK but only in some of the 1960av and bv models across the UK.
Had to miss the premier due to work. But, I love your playing in a mix. I think the Original sounds best, but I wouldn't throw out the new one. It may sound a bit smoother with a humbucker equipped guitar. The Strat showed how spiky the highs were on the new cab/speakers. Great video as always bro! God bless.
The AX is loaded with the Chinese G12Ms right? But in the Metropolous vid 'Metropoulos G12M Speaker Shootout 2013' the Chinese reissue compares very well with a reference G12M from 1967. I just don't know what to believe!
Wow...Day and night difference. The '71 sounds like a warm summer day. Great groove. Have you thought about sharing an Impulse Response of your '71 1960A ? That would be so fun to play with. Thanks as always.
Johan - thanks for your videos, it's always awesome to watch and learn. I wonder if you didn't have to compensate the head eq with more treble and less middle for the old speakers. If you want the same warmth tone with the new cab, would you be able to achieve it with a different eq?
To me both cabs sounded good clean. The difference was with dirt the newer cab sounded a little brittle compared to the original which I might add sounded amazing especially with you playing through it. You play some tasty tunes man!
Hi Johan, have you ever tried the Heritage 20w Greenbacks? I'd really like to know if they are closer to the original ones than the standard Greenback reissues. I actually like the standard ones too, but this video shows there still is a difference with the vintage ones. I have seen your latest video with the 20w speakers and they sound great, so I'd like to know how close the Heritage ones could get to them
I actually liked the newer one. It let a lot of the high end from the strat through. But I think if i were playing rock with a lot of Overdrive like acdc, I’d prefer the warmness from the old one.
Förbannat bra klipp, Johan! Bra lirat som fan, du svänger som fan på trummorna! 1960 AX kommer inte ens i närheten. Tror du att det beror på elementen? Damn good clip, Johan! Damn good playing and groovey drums. 1960 AX doesn’t even come close. Is it because of the speakers or what do you think?
Cool concept and Im sure it will be epic as all your uploads are. HOWEVER: I hate this new PREMIERING at xx:xx preview format. Ultimate tease, I much prefer to open TH-cam and there’s just a new unexpected video for me to enjoy.
They are basicly two different speakers. The modern greenback is so bright and trebly that it sounds like a different model. I tried newer greenbacks with my JCM 800 but was more satisfied with darker sounding speakers such as g12-65 and WGS et65.
I’ve got a 68 B cab with the original Greenbacks and I’ve had 2 1960ax cabs, one with English reissue Greenbacks and the other with Chinese. This video sums up the differences perfectly. The 1960ax is a decent cab but it just hasn’t got the midrange to handle authentic vintage tones.
There is nothing better than G12M T221 75Hz 003 Pre Rola Speakers.....!!!! LOVE my 4x12 from 1969 speakers and my 4x12 from 1970 speakers... its the speakers.... i got rid of the old stinky cabs and put them in new cabs - HEAVEN..... dont know why people buy these speakers like crazy they are worth every penny and i think they are almost as gold as a vintage amp itself
Great video as always! Really is amazing how different they sound and the vintage one wins by a country mile in my opinion! Would love to see you do one of these but swap out the close-mic'd speaker in the new cab for a bunch of different modern speakers and compare them. I've heard great things about Scumback Speakers, and loads of people rave about WGS too. Maybe do a little head-to-head of who makes the closest to a vintage Pulsonic coned original? Cheers!
Another great and informative video Johan. The 1971 is smoother and fuller without the harsh high end. Please can you compare the Marshall 425a cab to the 71? It has greenbacks but they are the G12C. .cheers
Pretty spot on. I've got a 2000 1960ax and a mid 70s check 1960b with later 1978 black backs 75hz. I think I might swap in 2 out of each to balance out the two cabs and see how it sounds
I was actually surprised to hear that the newer cab, with the newer speakers, had a vintage green back meets blackback vibe. I could actually imagine getting a convincing AC/DC (Highway era ) tone.
Fortunately now there are vintage cab impulses that can get you there, besides that it's nearly impossible to own a vintage cab. Thanks Johan for showing this to us 😉, great!
Love the 71 cabinet :-) Thank you for doing this essential comparison - such a pity the new Marshall cabinets just don't sound as good. I have tried custom cabinets from other makers that use seasoned wood for the cabinets, with a real attention to detail with the joins on the corners, type of wood glue, grill cloth material, etc. It all makes a difference but cost more of course.
The 1971 sound more lively and open to me. The 2010 sounds a bit nasal in direct compare. Both sound great, though. I play a 1960AX from the late 90`s myself and still love this cab. Great compare, love it! Keep it up, Johan \\M//
Yet again the perfect comparison choice, and yet again you deliver Johan! I wonder how the 50 years aging has affected the sound of that vintage cab, has it sounded like that as new, or has the sound matured as the years have passed? I like the old cab a lot more in this comparision, but the new cab could be better with a LP?
Yeah, the vintage one is better sounding to my ear for sure. By the way, this track is awesome. Love the groove you've got going and that little overdriven riff is awesome.
In the mix the difference was less pronounced, obviously the original sounded better but when played alone, the reissue just sounded way too harsh, not very pleasant. I wouldn't turn down either cab if offered one but I'd seriously prefer the original
These videos are getting better and better, serious grooves. Thanks for all the hard work you put in. Still shocked about how good the old ABR sounds next to the new stuff. Do you think there are any off the shelf speakers that come close to these old pulsonics? I have a 4x12 to fill, but am having a hard time finding a speaker that does a throaty midrange and smoother top end.
Thanks Colm! None of the new speakers captures the basal quality of the vintage Greenbacks. The Heritage H55 is the closest though. The 15” Fullback sounds great too
The 20 watt new greenback sounds much more like the old 25 watt than the new 25 watt speaker. I would love to hear the new 20w vs old 25w comparison!!! I think the cabinet is fine.
Old cab is the clear winner imo esp with crunchier tones, cleans are good on both.Thanks for focusing more on strat & M greenbacks instead of humbucker guitars with H greenbacks like you used to as I'm a big strat over plexi/G12M evangelist. Though I'm curious how the old cab would stand up to cab loaded with a broken in set of Heritage Greenbacks in this same setting. The Heritage G12M's are significantly better sounding than the regular reissues (I'm not so impressed by the Hertiage G12H but I do like the Heritage G12Ms a lot). Keep up the good work ♫ Karst & EXP // Amsterdam // The Netherlands
The camera tells the story. When he’s playing the riff in the lower register, see how the older cab and speakers makes the camera rumble. The newer cab with the reissues doesn’t have the thump to do that. I’m just curious. Since cabinet resonance is a real thing, I wonder if putting the original speakers in the re-issue cabinet would sound the same as the older speakers in the older cabinet. It just makes me wonder if the construction of the cabinet and the wood that was used in the old cabinet is playing a big role in the tone as well. Hmm...
All these years I have been buying and selling guitars, trying to get "that" sound. What I finally realized is that the guitar has less to do with good tone than a good amp and cabinet. I now have a Friedman BE100, and this same vintage Mashall cabinet with greenbacks, and even the cheap Indonesian strats and teles sound good through it. My Les Paul, well that goes into the amazing category through my new rig...
The 2010 grinded more... When you turned the volume up it got in Blackmore territory with your strat Out of phase setting ..... I would of loved it in front of a Friedman O.D wah and MXR Carbon copy... perhaps a chorus/ univibe.. Then let’s your Song ! ✌️✌️✌️✌️🤘🤘 Bice job as always !
Hi Johan! Regarding modern alternatives to the vintage Greenbacks: are you still as much in love with the Celestion Fullback as you were when you recorded the video on it?
Great band! I liked the original speaker. Is the cabinet and baffle made out of the same type wood? Would the aging process smooth out the sound of the speaker and cab that much?
Cabinets and speakers do not "improve" over time. Wood molecules remain unchanged for over 1,000 years and speaker cones and voice coils begin to deteriorate after 10 years or so. ALL modern guitar equipment sounds brittle, bland, harsh and sterile- not just this AX cabinet. The quality of raw materials accessible back then was so far superior that literally everything sounded better. Raw materials dictate the performance of magnets, wires, microphones, transformers, capacitors, etc... basically what happened is governments have seized control of raw materials under the guise of "environmental protection" but it's just a good ole' fashioned land grab. They create a false crisis then solve it by seizing control of industries, finance, etc... So to answer your question- No. hahahah!!!
I actually have one of those British cabs with the sticker on the bottom right.. I find myself playing the blues Junior more than the Marshall... Now we know why... Like if you listen to some of the Allman Brothers stuff from the 7071 days... Turn the Blue sky solos it was like they were ringing the bell... And you can kind of hear it in these cabinets that you got there the the old one sounds so much different thank you
So much différence cannot only be mojo ?!?! So amazed how unbalanced sound the new ones compared to the olders. Great video and song which remind me in a good way "we are familly" ! Cheers
So it turns out, in obvious fashion, that the 71 is FAR superior, sound wise... I'll add the 'in my opinion' as a disclaimer...😂 One of the very first comments I ever made to you Johan, was inquiring on the wood used in your vintage 1960B you had- because it sounded SO good- those vintage cabs use what? Particle board... I forget now but the tone/sound is just superior in those old cabs to the new ones- And anytime you demo anything... And your strat is involved- it's always bound to be very pleasing sound wise.... I love the Bonham kick too! Keep on my friend** 😁⚡️👍🏻
Just enjoying your great tune this time around!! Am thinking of buying a new greenback to mix with cream back 65 and put the second cream back in a 1x 12 cab to replace a Celestine 70/80.
Great sound the original vintage...but, have you any information about the 1960TV that have more bass and an attenuation of high frequencies?...do you confirm this? Great sound!
Thanks for this johan! I just bought a vintage modern head and was considering buying an AX to go with it, i will not after this... Id be interested if the same can be expected from the other modern day Marshall cabs such as the 1960av or a
Alright. Johan I watch all your videos. Thank you for all the effort. It makes buying gear a lot easier because you do the hard work. In your opinion what is the reason for the difference in sound. I prefer the old cab. Sound is much warmer.
Hey Johan, not the topic of this video but I'm interested in how you get that bass tone? I really like that kind of tone but I haven't seen any vids on how to get that vintage warm bass tone, cheers
the 2010 sounds fine on its own, BUT the 1971 just has a special low end warmth to it that puts it ahead !
1971 was sooooo much better in the recording.
That song in the begining is awesome dude! The bass part especially opens it up a lot, EVERYONE CALL OUT JOHAN FOR A SECOND ALBUM!
Thanks my friend, it will be my pleasure!
Would love to hear something featuring a superbass, that vintage ABR on the reissue les paul, and the older cabinet in this vid!
VERY Sticky Fingers era KEEF!
Finally had a chance to listen - wow, what a difference! The newer one introduces some fizzy high end. Sounds way harsher - also sounds more scooped on the mids.
Its crazy how different the top end and mids are. The vintage stuff really is magical.
Vintage stuff is old and used, that's all.
@@Honeythebeebee no way the new speakers are gonna sound like the vintage ones when they are used. They sound like totally different speaker models.
@@MariJu1ce Who knows? It obvious that these old speakers (and amps) sounded brighter back in the days
The 1971 is so much smoother. 2010 lacks a balanced sound. I'd still play either in a heartbeat.
Old cab is meaty and balanced, the new one nasal and thin. Some vintage stuff costs more for a real reason 👌
It certainly does :-)
@@JohanSegeborn Johan, is the newer cab "played in"? Because that can make a HUGE difference tonally.
the 70's one sounds so much better, the new one is way too bright.
I try not to be that big of a snob and usually think in old vr new comparense that the new one is just as good here not so much. I do a lot of speaker swaps as i beleive they make the biggest easiest change in your amps tone.so old one wins by a shitload to me. Pissed i usually have to get by with the cheaper new one but if we,er just talking tone........
This is not a design and manufacturing problem. I think, since seventies all stuff became rotten. This is a rubber parts, that lost a elasticy, a magnets, that lost a magnetability and something like that. So, you think it's better, but it's just an age.
Forget the cabinets, that song was really tasty Johan! Now back to the cabs, that 71 sounds so sweet on the mid range. It's mellow, it's smooth and I want one. That being said, I think that new one would compliment a heavier rock tone a little better. Great video Johan!
Original wins. Hands down. Deeper, more complex, less grainy/harsh, fuller. No contest.
Let me say....the 1971 1960A sounds like a how a good old Whiskey taste, the 2010 is moonshine. Nuff said. Great played as always. Cheers from Jamtland Sweden
Excellent comparison! Gonna go have me a little whiskey... thanks for the inspiration!
LOL Perfect analogy!
I bought my first real Marshall today! 1987x after years watching this channel. Thanks Johan!
Thanks for this comparison. The difference is far beyond I'd expect. I can see that the mic placement is a little different between old and new. In the new one it`s closer to center. It should contribute for the difference we are hearing.
Sounds like whoever was in charge of that AX project has lost most of their hearing in the upper frequencies.
@Johan Segeborn I watch a lot of guitar/tone/review videos to inform myself on what I am looking for in my own tone search. There are dozens of videos that have very capable and even virtuosic guitar players and despite the high level of playing ability, composing in these videos often falls flatter than flat. Opinion is subjective, yes, but one thing that makes your videos so great is your songwriting ability. That is to say, the licks, the riffs and the balance of the "band" to play in it's respective role in a completely digestible way. That and the simple approach you take for recording. I love the drums sound in this one. That kick has sooooo much character. This track has been playing in my mind for 3 days! As always, great work!
Huge difference. The old cab’s sound is much more musical. Excellent vid and playing, once again 👏👏
They both sound great, and great playing as well.
Yeah, and all those guys gloryfying vintage go over the band. New is good, brighter so what?
I'm diggin this jam...the 71 for sure.
Different to one another for sure , older is warmer , but both good . But the band and tune is so very excellent ! Who are those guys ! LOL Great clip again my friend ! Always the best to be found here ....... lets go !
I Do so enjoy your split screen mixes! Thanks for using the single coils! Well done and thanks for sharing brother! Be Well Johan!
Oh the Cabs? Love them both of course!
Thanks Brother, glad you like the format! Cheers!
Was thinking about getting myself one of those new 4x12 cabs with greenback speakers but after hearing this i now know why i didn't like the 1960ax cab that i once had, so I won't be buying anything. Thank you for this video!
Excellent song Johan! Love it, and loved getting to hear these in the mix. Both individually sound great, and would be an awesome tone to have. The 1970 cab just sounded clearer and less harsh, much preferred over the newer cab. The 2010 cab while still a great tone, did seem to have a little more edge to it and a bit more treble. Love the band!
Wow! Missing the kids big time in the new cab. Great stuff Johan!
Cheers for the comparison Johan, you always do a great musical demo! Hope you’re well man🤘Vintage cab for me😊
Wow. I love it.. Hendrix tone all the way.. awesome amp Johan!!!!!!
Wow. It’s so different to me, that if I didn’t know, I’d assume the speakers were “a different type”.....great vid. Of course I enjoyed the older one....much more “girth” to my ears.
I love when your cam shakes! The power is there!
Older: a bit more mid range. New one: more scooped. But let the cab breath for more 20 years. :) The new one is already broken?
Nonetheless, the TONE is astonishing. No one is better than another.
You should do an album. So cool and refresh!
Cheers,
Killer riffs! You are a living legend Mr. Segeborn!
The older one all year long pal! Thanks for another great 'vs' demo
The Reissue Cab sounds brighter and more open but i like the original more! Great as always! Regards from Austria!👌Great tones!
Johan, another great video. You are amazing. For me, I favor the older cabinet, but both sound nice.
Thanks Jim! :-)
Best channel on youtube!!!... would be awesome to if you could test some of the other greenback clones to see if there is some that comes closer to the original
I really try hard to not be "That guy" that strictly like old gear because it's cool. That being said those older cabs and speakers have consistently impressed me every time Johan has played them. Also, Johan, that was great playing as always! Cheers!!!
You make me want to pick up my guitar Johan! Have a great week!
Thanks Andy, you make my day man!
Love this mate!! The 71 for me, but great riff sounds, rocking out with the band
The Segeborn Brothers strike again!! 1971 for me Johan,great comparison mate \m/
Johan great video, But i wasnt surprised of the results.
Celestion moved their basic line of speakers production to their plant in china somewhere in 2003.
Leaving only the heritage series, alnico gold, blue and Mesa's V30 version to still being produced in the UK.
Which means that the v30s, g75t12 creambacks and greenbacks are being
produced in china with different cone sizes and materials, hence the
big difference in sound!
However there are some good news, apparently some v30s "marshall label" are still being produced in the UK but only in some of the 1960av and bv models across the UK.
The old one is warmer, has more voice. Great playing as usual!
Great Marshall collection Johan!
Very nice sound and grooves Johan !!
Thanks Tom!
Had to miss the premier due to work. But, I love your playing in a mix. I think the Original sounds best, but I wouldn't throw out the new one. It may sound a bit smoother with a humbucker equipped guitar. The Strat showed how spiky the highs were on the new cab/speakers. Great video as always bro! God bless.
Thanks brother! I will do Les Paul version of the video too soon. Cheers
Johan Segeborn god bless ;-) Exactly what I'm waiting for!
Have the 1960 AC 4x12 ( 25 W greenbacks. 100W at 16ohm) got it back in around 2001. Love it paired with my Marshall JCM2000 TSL 60 head.
Johan your music sounds great like the old vinyls. Greetings from Argentina.
Thanks my friend, you make my day!
The AX is loaded with the Chinese G12Ms right? But in the Metropolous vid 'Metropoulos G12M Speaker Shootout 2013' the Chinese reissue compares very well with a reference G12M from 1967. I just don't know what to believe!
Very cool song and the pocket is great! Cab, 1970 by far
Wow...Day and night difference. The '71 sounds like a warm summer day.
Great groove.
Have you thought about sharing an Impulse Response of your '71 1960A ?
That would be so fun to play with.
Thanks as always.
Thanks Lu! Hopefully I will do an Impulse response video soon and then we can document some of the cabs.
That would be awesome.
Thanks for the reply :)
Johan - thanks for your videos, it's always awesome to watch and learn. I wonder if you didn't have to compensate the head eq with more treble and less middle for the old speakers. If you want the same warmth tone with the new cab, would you be able to achieve it with a different eq?
To me both cabs sounded good clean. The difference was with dirt the newer cab sounded a little brittle compared to the original which I might add sounded amazing especially with you playing through it. You play some tasty tunes man!
Thanks man, great to hear that!
50 year old vs. 10 year old speakers gonna be smoother
Really enjoyed the playing, great sounds and I’m going to have to go for the original. Just sounded so right.
Digging the sound of that bass drum.
Hi Johan, have you ever tried the Heritage 20w Greenbacks? I'd really like to know if they are closer to the original ones than the standard Greenback reissues. I actually like the standard ones too, but this video shows there still is a difference with the vintage ones. I have seen your latest video with the 20w speakers and they sound great, so I'd like to know how close the Heritage ones could get to them
Would love hear both cabs in stereo. I bet it would be wicked! Great video. Thank you!
I actually liked the newer one. It let a lot of the high end from the strat through. But I think if i were playing rock with a lot of Overdrive like acdc, I’d prefer the warmness from the old one.
By the way, your drumming is getting serious Johan, congrats man!
Thanks man! You make my day!
The speakers in the old cab are obviously super broken in. Aged wood as well. The real test would be to swap the speakers out😊
Förbannat bra klipp, Johan! Bra lirat som fan, du svänger som fan på trummorna! 1960 AX kommer inte ens i närheten. Tror du att det beror på elementen?
Damn good clip, Johan! Damn good playing and groovey drums. 1960 AX doesn’t even come close. Is it because of the speakers or what do you think?
Cool concept and Im sure it will be epic as all your uploads are.
HOWEVER: I hate this new PREMIERING at xx:xx preview format. Ultimate tease, I much prefer to open TH-cam and there’s just a new unexpected video for me to enjoy.
i like the little chat that comes with the live premiere
I agree, I get a notification just to tell me to wait an hour
Love the vintage grill cloth!
The old cab is my favorite like others have said, but the new one ain't to shabby either. Cheers from northwest Canada.
Sounds like the 2010 has the mic placed closer to the center of the speaker.
Hi Johan, definetely another great tune for your future LP, kinda remind me of the Stones at times. See ya on next wednesday. Cheers.
Not even close. Love the 1971 version better. Once again an awesome demo!
They are basicly two different speakers. The modern greenback is so bright and trebly that it sounds like a different model. I tried newer greenbacks with my JCM 800 but was more satisfied with darker sounding speakers such as g12-65 and WGS et65.
I’ve got a 68 B cab with the original Greenbacks and I’ve had 2 1960ax cabs, one with English reissue Greenbacks and the other with Chinese. This video sums up the differences perfectly.
The 1960ax is a decent cab but it just hasn’t got the midrange to handle authentic vintage tones.
ive just noticed that on some of your stuff has synths low down in the mix ? or am i hearing things? awesome playing and job man!
There is nothing better than G12M T221 75Hz 003 Pre Rola Speakers.....!!!! LOVE my 4x12 from 1969 speakers and my 4x12 from 1970 speakers... its the speakers.... i got rid of the old stinky cabs and put them in new cabs - HEAVEN..... dont know why people buy these speakers like crazy they are worth every penny and i think they are almost as gold as a vintage amp itself
Haven't even watched the video but I know the answer is already: No. But does that mean it sounds bad? It's up to your ears 👂😁
Yes, the 2010 does indeed sound bad relative to the 1971.
I had a 73, used to turn to mush after about 15 mins!
Thanks for this video! I'm wondering if the mic placement was exact on both cabinet? The newer cab sounds brighter.
Those new Celestions just don’t compare to the originals... if you put Scumbacks in that modern cab though, the sound would be a million times closer!
Great video as always! Really is amazing how different they sound and the vintage one wins by a country mile in my opinion! Would love to see you do one of these but swap out the close-mic'd speaker in the new cab for a bunch of different modern speakers and compare them. I've heard great things about Scumback Speakers, and loads of people rave about WGS too. Maybe do a little head-to-head of who makes the closest to a vintage Pulsonic coned original? Cheers!
Another great and informative video Johan. The 1971 is smoother and fuller without the harsh high end.
Please can you compare the Marshall 425a cab to the 71? It has greenbacks but they are the G12C.
.cheers
Pretty spot on. I've got a 2000 1960ax and a mid 70s check 1960b with later 1978 black backs 75hz. I think I might swap in 2 out of each to balance out the two cabs and see how it sounds
I was actually surprised to hear that the newer cab, with the newer speakers, had a vintage green back meets blackback vibe. I could actually imagine getting a convincing AC/DC (Highway era ) tone.
Fortunately now there are vintage cab impulses that can get you there, besides that it's nearly impossible to own a vintage cab. Thanks Johan for showing this to us 😉, great!
Hi Rodney! We should do a Cab Vs corresponding IR video here soon! Cheers
@@JohanSegeborn Awesome! Looking forward to watching that one 😊. Thanks again
Love the 71 cabinet :-) Thank you for doing this essential comparison - such a pity the new Marshall cabinets just don't sound as good. I have tried custom cabinets from other makers that use seasoned wood for the cabinets, with a real attention to detail with the joins on the corners, type of wood glue, grill cloth material, etc. It all makes a difference but cost more of course.
The 1971 sound more lively and open to me. The 2010 sounds a bit nasal in direct compare. Both sound great, though. I play a 1960AX from the late 90`s myself and still love this cab. Great compare, love it! Keep it up, Johan \\M//
I don't know, hearing the "71 next to the '10 made the 2010 cab sound awful fizzy and harsh. Thank you Johan for another great video.
Yet again the perfect comparison choice, and yet again you deliver Johan! I wonder how the 50 years aging has affected the sound of that vintage cab, has it sounded like that as new, or has the sound matured as the years have passed? I like the old cab a lot more in this comparision, but the new cab could be better with a LP?
Yeah, the vintage one is better sounding to my ear for sure. By the way, this track is awesome. Love the groove you've got going and that little overdriven riff is awesome.
I have a 1960AX reissue and i’m already afraid of the result
Lol
I'll be rooting for you man.
In the mix the difference was less pronounced, obviously the original sounded better but when played alone, the reissue just sounded way too harsh, not very pleasant. I wouldn't turn down either cab if offered one but I'd seriously prefer the original
Wow what a difference . Sorry !
@will Roland we understand that you can just set the knobs differently but I also know that the new speakers don't sound like the old ones
The Johan brothers just kick ass!
These videos are getting better and better, serious grooves. Thanks for all the hard work you put in. Still shocked about how good the old ABR sounds next to the new stuff. Do you think there are any off the shelf speakers that come close to these old pulsonics? I have a 4x12 to fill, but am having a hard time finding a speaker that does a throaty midrange and smoother top end.
Thanks Colm! None of the new speakers captures the basal quality of the vintage Greenbacks. The Heritage H55 is the closest though. The 15” Fullback sounds great too
The 20 watt new greenback sounds much more like the old 25 watt than the new 25 watt speaker. I would love to hear the new 20w vs old 25w comparison!!! I think the cabinet is fine.
matt whit Id like to hear Johan do that comparison for sure !
Old cab is the clear winner imo esp with crunchier tones, cleans are good on both.Thanks for focusing more on strat & M greenbacks instead of humbucker guitars with H greenbacks like you used to as I'm a big strat over plexi/G12M evangelist. Though I'm curious how the old cab would stand up to cab loaded with a broken in set of Heritage Greenbacks in this same setting. The Heritage G12M's are significantly better sounding than the regular reissues (I'm not so impressed by the Hertiage G12H but I do like the Heritage G12Ms a lot). Keep up the good work ♫ Karst & EXP // Amsterdam // The Netherlands
Hi, Johan!
Don't know why, but the model of 2010 sounds good with 1960 AX, but the sound itself is very respectful! I like it.
See you,
Zigfrid
Thanks Zigfrid! See you
The camera tells the story. When he’s playing the riff in the lower register, see how the older cab and speakers makes the camera rumble. The newer cab with the reissues doesn’t have the thump to do that. I’m just curious. Since cabinet resonance is a real thing, I wonder if putting the original speakers in the re-issue cabinet would sound the same as the older speakers in the older cabinet. It just makes me wonder if the construction of the cabinet and the wood that was used in the old cabinet is playing a big role in the tone as well. Hmm...
All these years I have been buying and selling guitars, trying to get "that" sound. What I finally realized is that the guitar has less to do with good tone than a good amp and cabinet. I now have a Friedman BE100, and this same vintage Mashall cabinet with greenbacks, and even the cheap Indonesian strats and teles sound good through it. My Les Paul, well that goes into the amazing category through my new rig...
The 2010 grinded more... When you turned the volume up it got in Blackmore territory with your strat Out of phase setting ..... I would of loved it in front of a Friedman O.D wah and MXR Carbon copy... perhaps a chorus/ univibe.. Then let’s your Song ! ✌️✌️✌️✌️🤘🤘 Bice job as always !
Hi Johan! Regarding modern alternatives to the vintage Greenbacks: are you still as much in love with the Celestion Fullback as you were when you recorded the video on it?
Awesome as always Johan, do you have any cabs with the 55hz Greenbacks in? Those are my favourite speakers.
Great band!
I liked the original speaker. Is the cabinet and baffle made out of the same type wood? Would the aging process smooth out the sound of the speaker and cab that much?
Cabinets and speakers do not "improve" over time. Wood molecules remain unchanged for over 1,000 years and speaker cones and voice coils begin to deteriorate after 10 years or so. ALL modern guitar equipment sounds brittle, bland, harsh and sterile- not just this AX cabinet. The quality of raw materials accessible back then was so far superior that literally everything sounded better. Raw materials dictate the performance of magnets, wires, microphones, transformers, capacitors, etc... basically what happened is governments have seized control of raw materials under the guise of "environmental protection" but it's just a good ole' fashioned land grab. They create a false crisis then solve it by seizing control of industries, finance, etc... So to answer your question- No.
hahahah!!!
I actually have one of those British cabs with the sticker on the bottom right.. I find myself playing the blues Junior more than the Marshall... Now we know why... Like if you listen to some of the Allman Brothers stuff from the 7071 days... Turn the Blue sky solos it was like they were ringing the bell... And you can kind of hear it in these cabinets that you got there the the old one sounds so much different thank you
Thanks!
So much différence cannot only be mojo ?!?! So amazed how unbalanced sound the new ones compared to the olders. Great video and song which remind me in a good way "we are familly" ! Cheers
So it turns out, in obvious fashion, that the 71 is FAR superior, sound wise... I'll add the
'in my opinion' as a disclaimer...😂
One of the very first comments I ever made to you Johan, was inquiring on the wood used in your vintage 1960B you had- because it sounded SO good- those vintage cabs use what? Particle board... I forget now but the tone/sound is just superior in those old cabs to the new ones-
And anytime you demo anything... And your strat is involved- it's always bound to be very pleasing sound wise.... I love the Bonham kick too!
Keep on my friend**
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Just enjoying your great tune this time around!! Am thinking of buying a new greenback to mix with cream back 65 and put the second cream back in a 1x 12 cab to replace a Celestine 70/80.
Great sound the original vintage...but, have you any information about the 1960TV that have more bass and an attenuation of high frequencies?...do you confirm this? Great sound!
I would be very interested to know what you think of the Fane Ascension speaker series Johan
Thanks for this johan! I just bought a vintage modern head and was considering buying an AX to go with it, i will not after this... Id be interested if the same can be expected from the other modern day Marshall cabs such as the 1960av or a
Big difference. Could it be different wiring or maybe even different wood the cabinets are made of? Or are they the exact same as well?
Alright. Johan I watch all your videos. Thank you for all the effort. It makes buying gear a lot easier because you do the hard work. In your opinion what is the reason for the difference in sound. I prefer the old cab. Sound is much warmer.
Thanks, I’m glad to hear that! The primary reason is the speakers, and the paper cones are really important there.
Hey Johan, not the topic of this video but I'm interested in how you get that bass tone? I really like that kind of tone but I haven't seen any vids on how to get that vintage warm bass tone, cheers