Yukio Ebisawa Vs Masayuki Uchiyama
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
- Yukio Ebisawa and Masayuki Uchiyama have garnered quite a notrious reputation amongst dragonball fans for supervising some of the poorest-looking episodes in the series. However, who was the better between the two, and is this criticism valid? Well, join me today as we dive into the work of Ebisawa and Uchiyama!
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As a kid i used to always wonder why some episodes would look so shitty and then the next would look amazing lol
It was so inconsistent
It's common that the Art Team put more effort into the HIGHLIGHT of the SAGA than in the filler. I say Cell saga together with Android saga had one of the best and worst animated sequences in anime. If you look into consistency than Frieza Saga was the best animated and drawn saga in entire Anime.
@@aida_acx That's not sequence it's only couple of frames and it even doesn't look that bad compared to the others. The animation that was consistently BAD was Super Vegeta v Perfect Cell. Final Flash was good though.
@@aida_acx you can legit pause any piece of anime and they will have scenes like that bro
@@cat11112222 yeah the whole point of animation is that it is, well, animated. They can't make every frame 100% "realistic" action, because then dragon ball z probably wouldn't be finished even today lol
@@aida_acx yeah I was just going through DBZA again and they really dropped the ball on big important fights. A lot of the Frieza fight has a very Saturday morning cartoon feel to it, and the first half of Goku vs cell is pretty famous for being mediocre while the second half looks amazing.
My gosh, there’s enough ki to kill Buu in Vegeta’s forehead alone.
That is a sevenhead
@@viscountrainbows6452 probably a 10 head
@@autonomous3614
No 20 head
M.C. Widow's peak
That's a Super Saiyan God Head
I think I cry when I see 95% of Uchiyama’s corrections.
The Burter one, man...
Uchiyama would b great in super
@@wingedhussar1453 he will never animate in super :)
@@Waqas_Khan02 bc he’s dead...and no that’s not a fun thing to say.
@@wolfdragox5563 I didn't even say in funny way
That thumbnail is beautiful
It's glorious....
Vegeta looks like he has cancer stage 3
Vegeta forehead is beautiful
@@katakurithedonutenjoyer8066 Vegeta's forehead do be built like a ps5 doe 😳
@@heroicxidiot lol fr 😂
two great animators just for some of the funniest and most iconic frames that they've blessed us with
indeed haha
I dig this vibe 🤘
Yeah it is more like a quirk at this point
During the freeza & cell saga, the animators were evolving. But these two animators kept looking like early 80s anime at times. More so Masayuki.
agreed
I think that's the real problem specially with Ebisawa's work. His style did not fit with the general art of the series anymore.
@@pablodarosa8429 right. As Z became more modern, Ebisowa & Masa were still in early Dragonball era
Look at Ebisawa's work in some parts of the Buu saga, specially on episode 230, it was actually decent
@@elgrankaio863 that episode does look good, great at some parts. Even Vegeta's Final Atonement. Apparently, those were supervised by Kan'no too and other animators at times. But if it was Ebisowa alone, it's gonna look more "triangley"
Seeing the fantastic art from Ohara at 6:50, then seeing the "correction" below it makes me laugh.
Yeah it's a little confusing how there are some people that think this correction was good lol
Lol, that shit boggles the mind.
I think the only thing thats good from the correction might be the eye.
@@jullrobs Maybe the hair and the forehead? The original looks a bit like Gohan.
Yeah like wtf Uchiyama just made it flatter and extended vegeta's chin so now his face looks like a dome shape.
Vegeta's forehead is a classic, but I think we don't talk enough about blocky Goku in Namek
imagine having the balls to correct shidas work. i could never.
A true crime indeed
He had to be doing it on purpose to make sure his juniors didn't show him up, right?
@@specialnewb9821 I think it was more so to do with creating visual consistency through an episode. Nakatsuru and Yamamuro weren't exempt from being heavy on corrections either however their art style typically wasn't a downgrade😬.
@Larry Danso It's was supposed to be a joke.
@@specialnewb9821 he doesnt get the joke.
I prefer Ebisawa, mainly because his art has a certain "charm" to it. Like, it looks like he's drawing the characters in somewhat his own style, with his own artistic vision, while with Uchiyama it looks like someone trying but failing pretty bad at copying Toriyma's art style.
Yeah
Perfectly summed up what I was thinking
Ebisawa's art is more evocative. Way more feeling in it, even when it goes looney tunes
Well correct me if I'm wrong but I was comparing both the manga and ebisawa's artstyle in the namek saga and I feel like ebisawa's work looked very similar to toriyama's work. That's just my opinion.
@@trunk4810 It's fairly similar. But it's still very different.
Vegeta's forehead is bigger than the entire solar system
Dude thats a fivehead
Reminds me of Beavis
@@thetexan2127 Speaking of...Vegeta's forehead reminds me Jim from that old-school MTV cartoon "The Head" 😂🤣😭
Could rival even the great Tiens shoulder
😂
I've never looked at dragonball considering the different artists behind episodes. I would notice that I liked the flow of a fight scene in an episode or maybe a scene or frame looked ugly, but I never actually realized there was so much info out there about all the animators and artists. Your channel has given me a new way to dive back into dbz and enjoy it through a new lens!
That's great to hear! I remember viewing the series in a similar way for a while and funny enough back then I don't even remember noticing scenes like with Vegeta's massive head until they where pointed out haha.
It's a lot of fun to delve behind the scenes and then share it with other fellow fans😁👍
@@forgottenrelics1197 For sure! I love your vids man, keep up the good work 👌🏽
Apparently vegetas hairline didnt recede. It stayed in the same spot while his forehead got bigger.
Yeah their work is not the best but the most positives I can say about their off model art in Z is that they made for some memorable memes. Also their art in the Original Dragon Ball look pretty good.
I hope that once Super returns it becomes a SEASONAL anime. Everyone would benefit from it tremendously.
Like mha or opm?
@@mohamedkhider6998 More like Attack on Titan. We would get approximately 12-18 episodes in a year and they would take an 8 month break or so and come back with another batch of episodes.
@@chimichangatakeout3551 Great idea but I'm not sure that toei can pull this off
Toei is that studio who'd produce a Garbage episode just cuz it's 💯 gonna make cash ( dragon ball super is a prime example )
+ I don't wanna wait ages till the next season drops tbh
Aot felt like ages ( i Know it's kinda worth it since mappa blessed the fans with some amazing shit ) but common Dragon ball would take ages
Anyway good idea
Edit : wit also gave us arguably the best looking anime in the last decades
So yeah it's kinda worth it
@@mohamedkhider6998 I’d be willing to wait 8 months if all the episodes had consistent quality and if the art style was similar to Shintani’s. But yeah it’s highly unlikely they’ll do this since Toei has terrible management. Oh well. I’ve kind already lost interest in DBS since it lacked tension and heart.
@@chimichangatakeout3551 yeah the serie definitely dropped heavily in term of quality
The granolah/ moro arc has fire moment tbh
But it's full of bs
I'm really curious about how tayotaro will end the serie
Given that the ending of Z comes after the event of super
I'm looking forward to it
"Dbs Broly was fire also "
Imagine if they fused, what would their artwork look like then?
More plates more dates 😂
The amount of voice casts, animation styles and soundtracks this series has is truly astounding, it deserves a documentary in itself
As a kid I noticed these two. I always remembered telling people "the graphics get ugly after a really important episode!!" but of course I was a kid wit no knowledge of the process so I couldn't articulate what I was talking about. People thought i was fucking insane because I noticed it in alot of shows we watched like the transition from American Dragon s1 to 2. A Lot of people just didnt notice or really care about these things. Its even WORSE in Kai because scenes will drastically shift from godly art to stuff from them in a blink of an eye *LOOKING AT YOU TRUNKS KILLING MECHA FREIZA!*
Episodes with their art were the ban of my existence. Although the look pretty ok in OG dragonball.
Yeah, in Kai it is even more obvious.
Lol same here. I remember asking my friends ir they could notice that some episodes were made with 'shitty drawings' and they were like 'what are you talking about!?' it was frustrating haha.
Same man! 😂
All things considered I couldn't imagine DBZ, especially the cell saga, with out these two. Not the best of the best, but they're iconic.
thats like appreciating a shitstain for being on a wall for a long time.
@@MrAaaaazzzzz00009999 if you want a shit stain look at modern yammamuro or shintani
@@fridaynightnicktoons6885 Shintani??? Are you mad?
@Friday Night Nicktoons Shintani 😂😂😂
@@fridaynightnicktoons6885 wait why shintani? Hes great!!
Vegeta's forehead be like: This isn't even my final form!
Can you imagine if they both worked together to make DBS Broly 😵
😂 don't know about ebisawa but uchiyama had died in 2010
@@Waqas_Khan02 wow I never knew that rip he gave us some silly faces ☹️
@@Rainwen1die Yeah bit no worry he was the teacher of Natoshi Shida and its all because him we got that animator in modern dragon ball.
Pain theme was clever, that's how I felt when it was their turn to animate an episode
I used to hate their episodes as a kid, i could easily recognise their art.
You always surprise me to make a dragon ball video that no one else does and still be interesting And informative
Great video! I always used to wonder why Vegetas forehead seemed to elongate between scenes haha!
Lmaoo
That MPMD reference. Gold.
Im addicted to you vids now also if you have any scenes u want in the anime at 60fps im just offering its ok if not anyways thse vis are fire
Thanks man👍
Seeing those before-and-after shots of Uchiyama's edits convinced me that he was essentially the Vince Colletta of Toei Animation. His "correction" of that Burter art @ 7:18 is just outright heinous.
It's almost like Uchiyama resisted Toriyama's move to a more angular style in the Z arcs, and tried to adhere the rounded look of original Dragon Ball. At least Yukio "triangle man" Ebisawa's overly sharp artstyle meshed better with the more defined angularity of Z onward. I guess we can thank Uchiyama for giving us the gift of Naotoshi Shida, but even then I wouldn't be surprised if Uchiyama's constant -downgrades- corrections were what led to Shida moving on to more capable studios where his talents flourished.
Neither one these animators adapted to the changed of the art style once Z entered the late Namek Arc and post Movie 3. The animators on their own teams outshined them both and should've taken the lead as the chief supervisor. While both Ebisawa and Uchiyama artwork is below minimum standards too often; I'll still pick them over the animators in Super. I'm still undecided on which animator I would choose to have draw and animate a DB episode. It's a really challenging decision for me to make just as the video uploader has stated as well.
I'm interested as to which animators in Super you would pick them over? The only animator that was poorer than both of them was Yukihiro Kitano although I'm sure there maybe someone else I'm forgetting :)
@@forgottenrelics1197 Almost all of Super is a eye sore for me. The art work is trash. Yamamoru's models aren't nowhere as good as his work is from the Andriod/Cell and Buu Arc. Considering that Super came out about 20 years after Z it should be better or at least as good looking as Z. I can send you some images from Google through a email to show you what I'm speaking about. Super gets criticized hard for it's terrible art work. There's videos here on TH-cam showing explaining what I'm talking about. Nostalgia from Z and new age fans keeps Super relevant IMP. Visually it's too badly drawn for me to watch.
@@MrB-bg7qe Yeah I've made many videos in the past criticising the art style for Super as it certainly wasn't that all appealing to me either. Although the direction taken in the ToP was nice and even though the art style was typically bland, animation-wise we got some spectacular cuts by Yūichi Karasawa, Naotoshi Shida, Futoshi Higashide and many more :)
@@forgottenrelics1197 and Naoki tate , yuya Takahashi,yuichi karasawa ,tu yong ce etc…
If only Uchiyama never touched dragon ball...
Man It would be glorious... 💯
I mean yeah db is still legendary...
But goddamn that would've been special...
As me and many others hated uchiyama and his art, and it was like a quality drop whenever he came on screen 🗿
I love those melon heads. Someone needs to give Vegeta hair growth formula for that hairline though...
It just hurts so much when there's a really cool episode like Goku becoming Super Saiyajin with Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru, where majin Buu first appears. You go to the next episode and its drawn by Masayuki Uchiyama.
Don't forget the other guy his action scenes were terrible Regardless of what the content creators said. Too much stock footage and use of other people work from previous episodes. Atleast Uchiyama had ok Fight scenes
Same when Trunks killed Freeza.
Or when we first see Super Vegeta vs Cell on a cliffhanger, only for Masayuki to begin the next episode. Smh damn it
@@YoungKato yeah and the episode after the first final flash 😔😔
Even as a kid, I noticed the quality drop in the art lol
I guess I was the only one as a kid who didn't notice and my brain would somehow automatically make it better inside my head.
I agree with you. Both of them were good animators but people will always remember them for big foreheads, big shoulders and pointed nose. Lazy work too many times. Another great video my friend!!!
Two legends
facts
Damn straight
i remember when Future Trunks arrived and he was so handsome and cool so i was excited to watch the next episode, but man
Thanks for the reminder that Uchiyama "draw" multiples legendary scene i truly liked that i try to forget for years but could never in the long run when looking back at clips for nostalgia time to time. The Goku vs Android 19 fight, Vegeta saying he is Super Vegeta against Semi Perfect Cell, Perfect Cell iconic stance before fighting Vegeta, ussj Trunks vs Perfect Cell, Gohan ssj2 two punch on Perfect Cell. The pain man i am telling you.
I remember every time I use to see a Uchiyama's episode I use to feel upset lol
Ebisawa was bad, however he was tolerable compared to Uchiyama
Good video by the way!
Didn't know that Ebisawa did improved that much and made so many iconic scenes!
Thank you :)
Ebisawa's Vegeta truly is a masterpiece. Outstanding work of art.
Another great animation breakdown and review bro!
Great to hear man thank you👍
Latin American meme in the thumbnail:
"Pero Betty yo a usted la amo"
Thanks Ebisawa-sensei
Whenever Kan'no worked with Ebisowa, I was happy & impressed. The eyes and symmetry of the body looked real cool. But Whenever Ebisowa and Masayuki did their episodes in general, I was PISSED lol Super Saiyan 2 teen gohan had 2 episodes directed by Masayuki, which was unfortunate imo
He was 10 or 11 years old when he turned ssj2. It’s weird people still call him “Teen Gohan” for that era.
@@MichaelDermotMusic it's weird to worry about it. We know his age. Teen gohan is just somethin long time Western fans have normalized from budokai and/or tenkaichi games
@@YoungKato Not worried, it's just wrong.
I think there problem is trying to shift to a more drama action anime versus the cartoony works that they've been used to in early dragon ball and dr slump there treating it like a cartoon that needs to be simple for the sake of children to be able to understand what's happening Despite Z being more of a teenage action series.
The frame of Goku holding out the potara looks like it was lifted out of a anti drug psa. "C'mon Vegeta, let's do some Potara, all the strong kids are doin' it."
When I was a kid, for some reason, cable company in my country only played the gt episodes animated by one of these two, and for the rest of the episodes they broadcasted zenki, i've been growing my hathred towards them since then
That shot of vegeta from 104, I can never get the image of someone making him bald out of my head
I'll never forget cells helmet by uchiyama. Fucked up.
Ebisawa, or when your head gets stuck in the elevator's doors
Honestly, never been a fan of how each episode had a slightly different art style due to the change in directors from episode to episode. And these two were the worst in my opinion.
That's one thing I appreciate about _Dragon Ball Super's_ animation. The character designs were more consistent.
2:01 Big Brained Vegeta
5:18 damn piccolo did garlic jr dirty
So fucking close... 😔 Great vid man
I can tell instantly when it's a Masayuki Uchiyama scene. Why didn't anyone care how inconsistent his style was compared to everyone else. Was it because he worked for free???
I agree his style is more recognizable in later arcs especially the flat face the mouth drawn too close to the chin and much more.
6:50
You know, even considering that the original piece has more details - I'm glad it was corrected. The original would've been memed to death if it came out like this, because this is...
It looks the same as the most extreme Ebisawa's pieces...
2:38
LMAO
0:20 funny enough Goku had that same exact face in the manga
I cried everytime I saw Masayuki Uchiyama’s work especially if the previous episode looked amazing 😢
I dont understand why someone let them be a superviser wtf???
I cant unsee bald vegeta in the thumbnail.
People may shit on early Super's animation...but at least it never looked as bad as Yukio Ebisawa's stuff
7:03 what is the context behind that shot? It never made sense to me why gohan and trunks looked like that when I watched this episode subbed
Ebisawa has a higher ceiling and potential. But also has higher inconsistency.
Oh my god lmaooo I didnt expect to see More Plates More Dates here 🤣
Watching this video makes me realize the cursed hair line of Vegita... thank yiu
the goat moreplatesmoredates!
I wonder why Ebisawa started drawing so off model in Dragonball Z characters proportions are way off in some scenes, in Dragonball he drew more on model.
Because Mari Tominaga left, and since he didn't do many corrections to the key animators and he had to do some of it himself the quality drop was huge; same thing happened at the end of Boo arc when Toshiyuki Kan'no left as well.
6:51 r u fuckin kidding me! he made it worse!!
To be fair, Cell's dotted skin looks like a nightmare to draw and animate
I didnt expect Derek to be in your video lol
dude the "triangle shaped heads" is how toriyama drew them during an early point of the manga, look at how yamcha, tenshinhan, young piccolo and goku as a young adult looked
0:48 the virgin android vs The Chad Perfectionist
I know they worked really hard regardless of how bad it looks but god damn, how was this allowed lmao
i always like uchiyawa artstyle and always wanted to see his scenes in the anime
Vegeta and his supra-physiological hairline
Used to record dbz episodes on vhs. Didnt bother to when it was a Uchiyama episode 😅
Ebisawa had much more good animation overall than Uchiyama.
Uchiyama was BEAST at the times of the first series - at the Z part he became the weakest link for sure, though still he was doing nice in general. He should've been improving on his visuals and the style though.
And Ebisawa - indeed made some strange parts at Z - but he became an absolute BEAST at the second part of Z!
He was still in the earliest parts too but not all of them. Just like in the second part though (the fight of Gotenks and Buu was pretty weak in comparison).
But when he was doing good - he WAS doing good!
Forget Final Flash, Final Forehead is where it's at.
That fucking forehead killed me 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Whoever worked on the Cell Games where their noses were more defined and the choreography was dope as fuck was the best in the series imo. This is obvious in the episode "No More Rules", I think.
your channel helps me a lot when I'm trying to figure out what's bets for my drawings. Another great video. I am joelsseni on IG. And I prefer Yukio especially just as you said, in the Buu arc. especially his work with Vegito vs Buuhan. That made me appreciate him more. His work may not be according to plan but its not as distracting as Uchiyama's. And Uchiyama's perfect cell always bugged me.
No problem man!
oh.. we talking about the OG Yukio "Fivehead Vegeta" Ebisawa?
Great video! Thanks for the info!
No problem :)
who animated the goku vs vegeta fight in the buu saga?
The main fight are Toshiyuki Kanno, Yukio Ebisawa, Naoki Tate, Masahiro Shimanuki, Kazuya Hisada, Tadayoshi Yamamuro and Masayuki Uchiyama. The episode prior to the main fight was Shingo Ishikawa, but corrected by Yamamuro.
Holy shit I never noticed Vegeta’s forehead
I swear Yukio Ebisawa was the Rob Liefield of animators on DBZ. 😂 Great video overall.
Maybe actually try doing something with you life, try becoming an animator or mangaka, before insulting other people's work
@@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess I wasn't insulting his work. Yukio Ebisawa was a very accomplished animator. Rob Liefield is a very accomplished comic book artist. I only said that because they both have very peculiar styles that many people love. I guess I should've made myself more clear. I admit, it sounded very short sighted. I have tremendous respect for these guys. I'm working on becoming an animator. You can look at my videos of my animation. I am doing something with my life. I also draw comics too.
On the yukio ebisawa vegeta, i photoshopped saitamas head onto the forehead 💀
While I liked Uchiyama's art in og and Saiyan arc, in Namek I don't remember that much about it I don't think he was that much involved tbh, in Cell saga it wasn't bothering me that much (except for when he was drawing Cell, I HATED seeing Cell by Uchiyama), then the Buu arc... jesus christ.. I recently rewatched the arc and there's nothing that bothered me more than his art in Buu arc. I think at least 40% of Buu saga was animated and drawn by him. The Buu saga is known for its artwork and animation upgrade that looked just like the movies, but Uchiyama just ruins it for me, everytime I'd start an episode of Buu saga and see the first frame by him I'm like "Ohh f*ck no". Definitely bothered me in Buu saga more than any arc (in terms of artwork ofc his animation is ok)
2:35 killed me
I majored in traditional animation…. And I thank god everyday I didn’t get a job in an animation studio. It’s brutal.
You guys are kidding but since I notice that as a kid I never was able to watch it again. They totally ruined the anime for me. It's just painful..I mean 6 y/o art is better..and it was a big company. Total shame
I just rewatched the episodes that were well designed (so the main ones)..and the movies
What's funny is that these guys' style are actually really good, it just seems that after a while mimicking the ever changing Toriyama style started waning on them. Maybe if they were working on something with a different artsyle that better m as these their skills it might come out good
Wait, did I see Derek from More Plates More Dates
Even watching as a kid, I could tell something was up with with character design sometimes. I'm certainly no art critic, and don't have much room to speak. But my big gripe with the series was the shape of people's heads. As long as the faces were drawn in decent proportion, everything else was minor to me. But God, I hated those stupid looking, 3 foot long, gourd shaped heads
4:23 damn I actually really like the way he drew female characters lol, I think they look really cute in this artstyle
Really? This is one area where I prefer Uchiyama haha
ForgottenRelics to each their own haha
2:17 Yamamuro is GOD
Prime yamamuro was goat
God? Good, but definitively not the best.
@@BladeXRG Probably the best or one of
@@HellowCraft definitively not the best. Maybe one of, depending on your criteria, but there is no way he's the best.
@@BladeXRG so hos the best for u
Is your featured artist just a shout-out or does their art feature in the video? I can't tell if the broly in the background is official or fan made.
This guy partially ruined the Cell saga for me. Pre Android Saga i could have sworn the art was consistently good