Sadly this is where a floppy flopperson fan brings up '5 buzzer beaters, most all time bs' You watch every game each guy had played their whole career with a gun to your head and asked to pick one for a shot for your life and they will actually pick wrong because narrative is more important than visual evidence
“That escalated quickly!!” That dude spent the entire time answering questions with questions and changing the subject. He tried to take over the live stream with all that nonsense. 🤝🏾🗣️
I didn’t understand the to young argument at all. He already had made the finals, he was an mvp, and he had back to back 60 win seasons in his prime. He was more than prepared to win he met all the qualifications he just kept choking in the playoffs. When he was losing 2007-2011 he’s to young, ever since he got on the lakers he’s too old and can’t be expected to win (yet when he does anything he’s the goat because what he’s doing at his age is miraculous ig) then when he loses on his second stint in Cleveland he didn’t have enough help and he went against an unbeatable team that actually could’ve been beaten. This dudes whole career is a massive excuse. I just don’t understand
@@lucasgraham5353 no one in the history of the NBA has as many excuses as LeBron, that tells you he shouldn't be the goat, and no one else has his losses defended like that in any other damn sports. Unless you can't play there's nothing to discuss
@@enamuossuoTbh the fact they have to make this many excuses for Lebron is proof enough he’s not the goat. We don’t have to make excuses for Jordan, Kobe, Magic, Kareem, Bird, Duncan etc because their successes outweighed their failures and they overcame adversity. With Lebron is genuinely debatable if his success weighs out his failures since there’s so much failure to choose from with all the quitting, team hopping, colluding, excuse making, choking etc. If you have to make an excuse at to why he failed so much throughout his career then isn’t it apparent that he simply wasn’t that good?
"He's not the guy to take over the game or close out the game" He sure wants people to praise him like he does it. And people still believe he's the best player on his team when the footages shows he's not. This is ONE issue among others
@@fullmetal1766 exactly. It's just receiving more backlash because its LeBum and the fact that the kid is just not ready. These dudes trying to use corporate positions as a comparison is just silly, it takes no physical skill or training to be in charge of an established corporation. Perfect example, look at Jeanie Buss visibly running the Lakers into the ground but it's still making money because it's such a successful franchise already.
This whole thing really highlights how stupid Lebron's fans are. Using the excuse that it was the 55th pick. Bronny still took over someone else's spot. It doesn't matter if that dude would have stayed in the NBA or not, the point is the opportunity to do so was stolen. That is why people hate nepotism, getting hired for reasons other than meritocracy. This doesn't even need to be explained but Lebron fans are a bunch of half-wits.
AOH, thanks for the content. I can't believe Gilbert came on saying Jordan is the GOAT but, all the while before this moment, disrespecting Jordan's accomplishments and era that he played in. He also stated that Kobe was his favorite player and that no matter what Lebron does, he'll never be number 1 over Jordan but number 2. Gilbert was making excuses for Lebron, especially when Robin called out the steroid allegations. Gilbert ran around that question so fast.
He only said that because he was on this platform. On Gil's Arena, he has called LeBron the Goat plenty of times and glazes LeBron over Jordan every single chance he gets. I like Gilbert back when he was battling LeBron in the playoffs in the East but it's just sad to see Gilbert and other media personalities just became Klutch dick sucking LeBron cry babies now. Never in the history of sports has there ever been an athlete with fans like LeBron fans that go to such extreme lengths to hype him up and shit on other players. Jordan fans never shat on the legacies of Magic, Bird or Kareem. No Kobe fans ever hated on players like TMac or D Wade. But LeBron fans do nothing but hate and praise LeBron for hitting a goddamn free throw. I can't wait till LeBron retires and people stop caring about him as much as they do now
I think I remember hearing you speak with Gilbert Arenas once on the panel and it was a short one. I don't know what the reception issue was, but I think myself and many others listening wanted to hear you speak more on basketball topics with Arenas when you got the chance to during the stream yesterday.
That FYF dude was simping so bad for Gil, Sports N Fitness was throwing haymakers and landing punches the entire time in between walking off screen (I was loving that $hit, love that Bobby Knight energy 👏), but when you told him to answer the GD question I laughed so hard I scared my cat sitting next to me 😭🤣🙌👏🔥🔥🔥
Dude was yelling and calling names like a child wouldnt even listen. Lebum is a bum obviously but thats still not how you debate. Sports rant makes gil look more sane becaouse if how feminine he was beggin "bring me on your"... let gil had told him to get off gil diddy, i bet he wouldve had a heart attack yet he yelling and disrepcting the man. And u over here cheering that on. Tf.
I know Gilbert was being mostly disingenuous with a lot of his arguments. But I gotta say, I respect him for just randomly popping into a relatively small stream to defend himself. He has more heart and more character than LeDiva, that's for sure.
I think he was asked by FYF to stand side by side with him to argue against the panel. It's something a hot-headed person like Gilbert Arenas would do. LeBron James is too manipulative/toxic as a person to do something like that to expose himself. It's not about heart and character, my man. It's about stupidity and fake camaraderie.
@@davidyoungsr753 Not to mention having a bunch of coke heads as teammates 🤦🏾♂️And be careful telling the truth about LBJ because TH-cam is on a witch hunt for anyone who does and they will delete your posts!!
Not only that, but at 25 LeBron was in his 7th season. That’s 7 seasons of NBA experience but like you said, LeBron fanboys love to bring up MJ vs the Celtics in his 2nd season where he missed most of the season with an injury. The LeBron fanbase is the worst fanbase in NBA history.
@@tonyboots2958 Amen!!!!!!!!👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 I’m telling anybody that will listen and watch with their own eyes that they are a CULT!! I have to be careful about telling too much truth because TH-cam will delete my post and suspend me for 24hrs!!😂😂
You guys actually got Gilbert to come over? WOW means you guys speaking FACTS definitely got his attention. Great job guys! That means we are winning the information War. FACTS and the TRUTH always wins.
Gilbert made a burner account to email me for saying FYF only played college ball he was the coach son. I called him out he never responded. He said he never played college ball, so his Arizona days never counted
FyF is literally one of worst podcasters I've ever listened to. Dude has horrible takes that make no sense every single time, has no entertainment value, and is boring and just a lame ass person
Just referenced you in my last vid, hope you enjoy it and thank you for all the work you put in to expose these fake superstars and big egos, you rock bro!!
Gilbert says its unfair to compare lebron to Jordan and he's right! Unfair to Jordan, lebron should be compared to everyone else starting with the guy who 4 championships in his league in less time
Gilbert CHANGED his mvp rant about Jokic. Initially, he said he's the WORST MVP winner in the last 40 years. The following day..he changes it to the worst MVP player whos won it multiple times.. Then recently changed to the worst 3x MVP winner in the last 40 years.
Gilbert told the panel that Kobe was his favorite player of all time a few times then after awhile after being crushed by the panel pulled out 5 rings that he said kobe gave him permission to have thats where the rings came from they are not his!
I thought he just bought them or something but he obviously didn’t win them and it’s crazy to think Kobe just gave Gilbert arenas all of his rings no way Jose lol
Sports and fitness generated a lot of excitement, but it became chaotic as too many people spoke at once, necessitating the need for a moderator. Gilbert adeptly manages the media and knows how to redirect attention.
I appreciate the S&F's energy and passion but they really needed to reign him in. He got a bit out of control which really limited what they were able to debate. I'd love to see more opposing guests hop on but they aren't going to in that environment.
@@JJFX-you gotta stop nonsense and lies immediately. You don't let lies be spread just because Gilbert is a celebrity. They should've let SFR get on Gilbert even more than they did.
@@falcons2123 Dude I listened to whole thing. He got plenty roasted for the worst things he said but he did at least attempt at conceding to something resembling a rational conversation a few times. It just got drowned out by back and forth arguing. I get it, Gil is a snake but what's the point of even being there if you just want to hear him get yelled at for 3 hours? Hell, they even glossed right over where he basically said he thinks Lebron's on the juice.
Gilbert was litetally just saying random words. He seems to be getting paid by Klutch caus there's no way he believes the nonsense he sais. Gil is just as bad as Nick Wrong💯
Nick is honestly on another level and would never hop on to do this in a million years. He's effectively a used car salesman who ended up pretending to be a sports journalist. Gilbert said some ridiculous crap and he's shown he'll say anything but he did say a lot of things on here that Lebron would never want said.
At what point, consistently over a period of years, was LeBron not too young or too old AND proved the power of his prime with repeated championships? When was that time?
His stint with Miami and his second stint in Cleveland would’ve been the time but people still managed to make excuses for him. “The Warriors were too good” yet before Kawhi got injured the spurs were up 22, and James Harden took them to 7 with Chris Paul being injured the last two games. But the warriors were too good for Lebron the greatest player of all time to make the series competitive. 🤦🏽
LYF always say, Scottie Pippen, Carrie Michael Jordan and when you in his lobby, they also will not let you talk so was good for the goose is good for the gander
I hopped on 39 minutes into the live show. Whoa Skap has joined the panel. 12 minutes later Gilbert Arenas joined and it was an all out melee !!! 😂 I was thinking about this at work, and I could be way off but this panel of content creators has gotten the attention of professional athletes and it looks like the mainstream media. What if he was sent by unklutch sports? Maybe i’m wrong. correct me if you think otherwise but I did appreciate Gil taking the time to join the brawl, donate some cash, give out some shoes and offered to get Dart a new mic when Dart said he was having some trouble with his mic. Gil’s takes are looney tunes though and I was rolling with sports and fitness rants responses. Was hoping you would rejoin and you did. I was hoping uncommon cents was there too. Anyway keep up the fight brother 🤙🏼 Aloha
LeBron fans entire argument is the equivalent of "Well he started it" on the school ground. I enjoy guys like you and Incommon, Uncut Hoops and so many others ripping the fanboys because I cannot bring myself to watch any fanboy channels. I saw 1 guy WEARING A LEBRON shirt saying he wasn't a fanboy...the ignorance of these people dude
It's crazy because Jordan fans, Kobe fans, Bird fans, Magic fans, none of them ever started anything. LeBron declared himself the GOAT and started this war and hate on other players. Basketball talk used to be actual conversations between sensible fans and now it is just "if LeBron isn't your GOAT, you're just a hater" or "if you think Bronny shouldn't have been drafted, you're a hater that supports the nepotism of white people for years and the oppression of the black family trying to build wealth". And now the war continues like a goddamn PSYOP because Klutch has paid all these sports media and TH-cam bots to flood the masses with headlines of Jordan cheating for steals and false DPOY or lack of talent and expansion teams in the past. It's frustrating And sad
The only thing I would sugest is all of you guys get louder and better microphones. I kept finding myself cranking up the volume to hear you guys and almost tuning it to zero when Gilbert started talking.
I have to admit. He got me with the rings hahaha. The closest NBA team to me is the Wizards, so I very much know who Gilbert Arenas is. When he held up those rings, I was so confused I sat up to Google Washington Wizards championship until you said something hahaha. I thought hold on. He had to have won at least one in Washington and I'm 40 miles from D.C. I don't remember any.
SNF shouted you out one day so I checked you out love your content and your breakdowns SURGICAL!!!! LOL🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣I def am A member keep your foot on his neck
at First the Show was Funny as hell... then it became so boring... as this Gilbert guy yappin some nonsense... start to justify some of the LeBum antics... it's crazy
I think the lack of college for lebron really helped shape him for who he's become. He needed that father figure and leadership, accountability etc. He has none. Spoiled from day 1 nba
2:15 Arenas didn't bring up those other people. Someone else did. They didn't do what James does, but Arenas didn't just throw them in. He was answering.
Gilberts point is the same as LeBron. I keep telling y'all you giving these people to much credit. He lost his credibility when he trying to insinuate he was the best business in the room because his money. No sir you have money because you had a physical gift that you leveraged into money. That don't make you the best businessman. So right there, your done. Secondly just like LeBron he don't write no scripts. He's doing what he is told. And right now people in media are being told forget the things that happened in the past. Because feminism is kicking y'all ass. Kicking the ass of the sensible people because they think it's just gonna blow over. No, it's still going.
The whole world is a stage and LeBron is one of the biggest storylines in sports right now, but it don't make sense because NBA viewership has been down for years so giving LeBron all this power doesn't really bring more fans. Maybe it's their way of making LeBron into a generational Icon like Ali or tiger woods or Babe Ruth, but history will never remember LeBron fans favorably as any of them. They can write all the narratives they want but people and NBA players alike know that LeBron is not on the mt Rushmore of sports.
I legitimately didn't expect Arenas to show up, I was catching up to you guys because I had nothing else to watch, usually I don't like watching 1 or few hour podcasts in general, it started off with 7 of you guys just chilling, discussing, it was a nice atmosphere, till some suspicious account started donating 20, 20 then 200 dollars and then it got real interesting...
I was listening to tht whole live. And ur spot on AOH on this reaction. Gilbert arenas talks fast and and with a tone to try to convince ppl in convo. Imo. But def talks back and forth and makes excuses for lebron. And he also plays and inflates numbers and facts im his arguements from what ive heard
No matter what you're doing you see who the best is and that's your goal. You may not reach it, but that should be your goal. I was a 6'5 center in high school, so i looked at the best 6'4-6'5 post guys and that's who I shot for...Charles Barkley and Larry Johnson were the standards for me. Was I as good as them? No. But as long as I played I was working towards being like them. It's sad if you don't measure yourself against the best and try your best to get there!
When Gilbert was saying 1 is 100 and 2 being 89, he was referring to ranking as if they were nba2k players. So basically he said Jordan was 100 overall and LeBron was 89 overall
I get that much, but that doesn't answer the question of "What did LeBron do in that time-frame to overtake Kobe as number 2?" [Or something to that effect, IIRC]
@@LA_quan agreed. LeBum is even on camera saying Kobe is the best in the world around the time of the original MVP. Aohf just mentioned not understanding what Gilbert was saying so I explained it
Did you listen to whole thing? They were talking over him at the first sign of a response they didn't like. Obviously they need to give him mic time or why bother having him come on. The problem was there really wasn't a moderator so everyone just fought for control, including Gilbert.
I'm with ya on everything aside from the favorite vs perceived G.O.A.T thing. That's been something I've heard literally my whole life. "Well, Wilt is the best but I don't care for him as a person, so Kareem is my favorite player of all time". "Kareem is the G.O.A.T but nobody is as fun to watch as Magic, he's my favorite". Then there's the hometown heros. Regardless of who they thought was the actual G.O.A.T, absolutely nobody loomed more large for folks in Chicago than D.Rose when he was there. That's the case in countless other places. "Jordan is the G.O.A.T but Kobe is my favorite" is probably the most common version of it I've ever heard everywhere I've lived and from people I've known from all over the place.
My favorite is when people start talking about how good of a defender Lebron was, even admitting he was only playing defense for half of his career, and the man literally tries to guard someone smaller and much less athletic than him ALL THE TIME. I will never forget how he made JJ Barea look like Drazen Petrovic
Between Gilbert being a fool and the one guy that only ever yells I had to turn that stream off. I agree with a good amount of what that dude says but he needs to learn how to talk without yelling
21:22 this makes no sense at all , take 3 rings cuz he wasn’t the “lead dog” ??! ….basketball is a team sport ,the “TeAM” wins championships not an individual
The debate with Arenas and FYF aside, I am not a fan of the way MJFB leads these panel discussions. I would like to see it have a more free-flowing discussion, instead of an awkward pause, silence, followed by a "hey, 'so-and-so', what do you think about xyz?". Feels like a Q&A instead of a natural conversation. Admittedly, it's hard to have a conversation with so people on a livestream. But some adjustment can still be made. If you feel the same way, I hope you all can have a private discussion on how to improve.
I was there. It was just a shouting match. Guy on the top middle was kinda just talking. Gil got stuff wrong about the Lakers winning a championship before Magic got there. It was a whole mess.
The 2012 NBA championship is tarnished because that's the same year the NBA stopped CP3 from teaming with Kobe. But they were okay with the Lebron, Bosh, and Wade team. It makes no sense. The 2013 championship is also in doubt because of that idiocracy.
Lebron could've been the Greatest Role Player of All Time.... he just thought/believed he was better than that. Sad he couldn't find and thrive in his own niche. Lebron on court was/ is a lost Pippen.
Great comment. LeBron has never won a championship as the closer on a team ever. Every single ring was never due to him just straight dominating. The year Miami beat OKC was expected and the heat overall played well it wasn't because LeBron did anything extraordinary. When they beat the Spurs, that was pure luck when LeBron was saved by Bosh and Ray Allen to win. Against GSW, he never would've won if Draymond didn't get suspended or if Kyrie didn't make one of biggest shots in history. The bubble title was against an overmatched Miami team and Anthony Davis was the real Finals MVP. And that adds to your point because LeBron has never won a title when he is dominating with crazy 2K numbers. He is at his best when he is asked to not carry the offensive load and do what he does best which is facilitate and play good defense and drive to the basket. That sounds crazy because he is all time points leader but if Jordan or Kobe would have played 20 healthy seasons they would have the record too. No one looks at Barry Bonds as the greatest baseball player of all time for hitting the most home runs so scoring the most points don't make you no GOAT
You can see Tim Duncan on the sidelines with Pop in his face and Tim takes it like he should. Tim was a leader of the team and the coach and Tim wanted to let the rest of the team know that there is an issue with the team. Tim is a top players in the NBA and was.not above the coach.
The biggest problem with LeBron probably started in his teens when everybody started telling him he was going to be the next MJ and not LeBron James. It is wrong for whoever his peers were at the time to get into and blow up his head like that because of the energy he has to put into carrying that weight and not just playing basketball. If everybody around him at the time would've just coached him into being his own player and developing excellence at fundamentals, character, leadership etc. he likely with his physical abilities would have been one of the all time greats. He needed a role model honestly. For example, if those things would've happened and he was drafted by a team that had all of those things already, like say the San Antonio Spurs from that time, we would all be seeing a much different player today and one with a lot more prestige and respect from everybody. Nobody from the Spurs organization would've allowed him to flop and roll around on the court like a dying fish. Jordan's greatness is realistically unreachable. The guy was like a God on the court and everybody used to say "I wanna be like Mike" because they weren't. Kobe was the closest thing and even he fell short in my opinion and he never had that kind of attitude to say: " I am or am going to be better that MJ" because of it were true it wouldn't need to be said in the first place.
LeDummy fans: "LeBron is the GOAT." LeDummy fans: "Don't compare LeBron to only the top." The GOAT has to compare to the top, has to be above the top (#2). Greatest of All Time means the top. You can't be the man if you can't beat the man.
number 2 could be way behind number 1, that would just mean the gap between #1 and #2 is huge. totally feasible. also, favorite and greatest are 2 very different things, though often related. my favorite player growing up was earl monroe on the bullets, then walt frazier, i would never say either of them was the greatest. sorry but that sounds like an absurd assumption, that someone's favorite player must be the #1 or #2 greatest. favorite is completely subjective, greatest has at least some "objective" measures to look at.
I think SNF made some good points. However, I think he needs to tone it down a bit. It would go a long way to creating a more inviting atmosphere. I think this showing by you guys was disappointing, considering. But it can be utilized as a bridge between the fans and the NBA. If it does happen again, hell yeah! If not, the door is open. The bridge *can* be built. And you guys need to keep up all the hard work. This opportunity is/was a dream come true for any NBA fan. Even for the chat, tbh. Understand that, and I'm sure this can be great! I wish it was better moderated. I have some ideas, Ill DM you or something. Or point me in the right direction, and I'll see what I can do.
@@AngryOldHoops I appreciate the response. If I may ask, who is the moderator? I'd happily be an editor and moderator of these if I'm able to sit in and record audio tracks separately.
@@LA_quanDart was the host and I was begging him to jump in ref things a bit for the quality of the stream. Although I agree Gil and FYF was making no sense, it was alot of yelling over each other hurting the quality of the stream. But I do respect the panel not being a fan and holding Gil to the fire. 💪🏾
Gaylbert acting like saying that MJ is his #1 and Kobe his favorite player makes his opinions about LeBtich valid is hilarious. Everyone can see that you don't have a neutral position, Gayl.
Gilbert tosses 200 into you guys to buy favorable position, Gilbert has his mic super loud, so he can talk over you guys in a soft controlled voice, in theory
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Someone who is not a closer cannot be anywhere near a GOAT conversation. Period.
Bingo
Same goes for someone who cheats. Flopping, colluding, constant begging for calls. If you have to cheat, you're not very good.
Lebron being Goat or top 5 is an argument by apologist. Not by facts
Sadly this is where a floppy flopperson fan brings up '5 buzzer beaters, most all time bs' You watch every game each guy had played their whole career with a gun to your head and asked to pick one for a shot for your life and they will actually pick wrong because narrative is more important than visual evidence
All these nba players r on Le Bron's payroll , at this point the dyk rdyfin is inexcusable
“That escalated quickly!!” That dude spent the entire time answering questions with questions and changing the subject. He tried to take over the live stream with all that nonsense. 🤝🏾🗣️
And he actually succeeded in taking over sadly. His volume was higher and Dart never cut him off!
FYF is so lame for telling HoopGod to stfu while trying to put words in his mouth to fit whatever excuse he was about to make for LeFraud.
Keep being yourself. Your energy is good against this type of foolery. When people spew nonsense you should respond with energy.
@@stevensmith7191yeah I kind of felt like dart allowed him to walk in their house with his muddy boots and was trying to stand on his couch 😅
What's a question?
😂😂😂😂
Skap was ready to pounce once Gil switched the argument to Kobe.
Yeah he couldn't wait to get a hold of Gil for Kobe. Skap is a huge Kobe guy. I loved it 😅
@@ijamorrisSkap exposed Gil on having Lebron over Kobe! He couldn’t truly justify it 😂! Skap had him in the vice grip 😂
A big kobe and jokic guy
@@Josh-sk5xd lol right
I never knew I hated LeBrun until I found this channel. Thank you.
The best compliment
Same here
I love how HoopGod was asking specifically Kobe vs Lebron and somehow MJ becomes the topic. Clown fiesta from the bronsexual side as per usual
"Can you answer the Goddam question"😂😂😂😂😁😁😁 That was the best part!
First LeBron was too young then he's too old. If he is too old then he should retire.
I didn’t understand the to young argument at all. He already had made the finals, he was an mvp, and he had back to back 60 win seasons in his prime. He was more than prepared to win he met all the qualifications he just kept choking in the playoffs. When he was losing 2007-2011 he’s to young, ever since he got on the lakers he’s too old and can’t be expected to win (yet when he does anything he’s the goat because what he’s doing at his age is miraculous ig) then when he loses on his second stint in Cleveland he didn’t have enough help and he went against an unbeatable team that actually could’ve been beaten. This dudes whole career is a massive excuse. I just don’t understand
Only LeBron is too young in the eyes of his stans and media plants, Jordan against the Celtics was just too weak just like AOH says in this video
I noticed that too. Any and every excuse for lebronze. Haha
@@lucasgraham5353 no one in the history of the NBA has as many excuses as LeBron, that tells you he shouldn't be the goat, and no one else has his losses defended like that in any other damn sports.
Unless you can't play there's nothing to discuss
@@enamuossuoTbh the fact they have to make this many excuses for Lebron is proof enough he’s not the goat. We don’t have to make excuses for Jordan, Kobe, Magic, Kareem, Bird, Duncan etc because their successes outweighed their failures and they overcame adversity. With Lebron is genuinely debatable if his success weighs out his failures since there’s so much failure to choose from with all the quitting, team hopping, colluding, excuse making, choking etc. If you have to make an excuse at to why he failed so much throughout his career then isn’t it apparent that he simply wasn’t that good?
Thank you AoH for demanding he answer the dam question. Debates mean NOTHING when we keep allowing the debaters to dodge questions or lie unchecked.
"He's not the guy to take over the game or close out the game"
He sure wants people to praise him like he does it. And people still believe he's the best player on his team when the footages shows he's not. This is ONE issue among others
AOH: "can you answer the godamn question?" I loved that. I spit out my beer. Lol
In all honesty that’s pretty cool y’all got Arenas attention lol good stuff AOH
Yeah that is cool, you know they are speaking truth and it's rubbing those Lebron fanboys crazy
It's the same thing they do with the nepotism argument. The response is "everyone else is doing it"
I never in all my life heard anyone argue nepotism was a good things until this scrub kid came along
@@fullmetal1766 exactly. It's just receiving more backlash because its LeBum and the fact that the kid is just not ready. These dudes trying to use corporate positions as a comparison is just silly, it takes no physical skill or training to be in charge of an established corporation. Perfect example, look at Jeanie Buss visibly running the Lakers into the ground but it's still making money because it's such a successful franchise already.
@@fullmetal1766 "it's building generational wealth" 🤣
This whole thing really highlights how stupid Lebron's fans are. Using the excuse that it was the 55th pick. Bronny still took over someone else's spot. It doesn't matter if that dude would have stayed in the NBA or not, the point is the opportunity to do so was stolen. That is why people hate nepotism, getting hired for reasons other than meritocracy. This doesn't even need to be explained but Lebron fans are a bunch of half-wits.
AOH, thanks for the content. I can't believe Gilbert came on saying Jordan is the GOAT but, all the while before this moment, disrespecting Jordan's accomplishments and era that he played in. He also stated that Kobe was his favorite player and that no matter what Lebron does, he'll never be number 1 over Jordan but number 2. Gilbert was making excuses for Lebron, especially when Robin called out the steroid allegations. Gilbert ran around that question so fast.
He only said that because he was on this platform. On Gil's Arena, he has called LeBron the Goat plenty of times and glazes LeBron over Jordan every single chance he gets. I like Gilbert back when he was battling LeBron in the playoffs in the East but it's just sad to see Gilbert and other media personalities just became Klutch dick sucking LeBron cry babies now. Never in the history of sports has there ever been an athlete with fans like LeBron fans that go to such extreme lengths to hype him up and shit on other players. Jordan fans never shat on the legacies of Magic, Bird or Kareem. No Kobe fans ever hated on players like TMac or D Wade. But LeBron fans do nothing but hate and praise LeBron for hitting a goddamn free throw. I can't wait till LeBron retires and people stop caring about him as much as they do now
I was anxiously waiting for your take on it.
I was also.
"ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION!!!" had me dying 🤣🤣🤣
Brotha when you said just answer the bleeping question.
“Can you answer the God damn question!!” 🔥🔥 🤣
This is one of the reasons why we love you AOH.
Was that Skap Attack himself you guys managed to get on here!? I was floored! I still havent watched the live or replay, but Im definitely about to
Skap was cooking the entire stream too it was awesome
@@Christo_TrismegistusDude this was the funniest stream Ive watched thus far! Holy crap
Been waitin on this lol i seen the livestream yesterday
I think I remember hearing you speak with Gilbert Arenas once on the panel and it was a short one. I don't know what the reception issue was, but I think myself and many others listening wanted to hear you speak more on basketball topics with Arenas when you got the chance to during the stream yesterday.
I wanted to also. I missed a big chunk hiking back to signal then wasn’t ever called on to get a chance to respond.
5:14. Perfect place when you paused here. Like how Gmoneyinc says “LeBalco gets all the excuses.” 🤣
That FYF dude was simping so bad for Gil, Sports N Fitness was throwing haymakers and landing punches the entire time in between walking off screen (I was loving that $hit, love that Bobby Knight energy 👏), but when you told him to answer the GD question I laughed so hard I scared my cat sitting next to me 😭🤣🙌👏🔥🔥🔥
Dude was yelling and calling names like a child wouldnt even listen. Lebum is a bum obviously but thats still not how you debate. Sports rant makes gil look more sane becaouse if how feminine he was beggin "bring me on your"... let gil had told him to get off gil diddy, i bet he wouldve had a heart attack yet he yelling and disrepcting the man. And u over here cheering that on. Tf.
Its no wonder u have a cat when u enjoy such toxic behaviour.
@@esekay3648 put your face and real name in your profile and MAYBE I’ll take you as a serious “man”, I’ll debate your nonsense too braham!!! 🤣😉🤭💯🔥
I know Gilbert was being mostly disingenuous with a lot of his arguments. But I gotta say, I respect him for just randomly popping into a relatively small stream to defend himself. He has more heart and more character than LeDiva, that's for sure.
Agreed, definitely didn't expect that. Although I don't think it's going to happen again after this lol
He’s a media whore, what else is he gonna do
I think he was asked by FYF to stand side by side with him to argue against the panel. It's something a hot-headed person like Gilbert Arenas would do. LeBron James is too manipulative/toxic as a person to do something like that to expose himself.
It's not about heart and character, my man. It's about stupidity and fake camaraderie.
Facts. I got to give Gilbert credit
@@Cp-yx4ci Lebron has exposed himself in the Mind the Game podcast
So Lebron gets a pass for being young but MJ don’t get a pass for being young and facing a loaded Celtics?
After missing 65 games with the broken foot. N how often does the 8th seed beats the 1?
@@davidyoungsr753Not to mention having a bunch of coke heads as teammates 🤦🏾♂️
@@davidyoungsr753 Not to mention having a bunch of coke heads as teammates 🤦🏾♂️And be careful telling the truth about LBJ because TH-cam is on a witch hunt for anyone who does and they will delete your posts!!
Not only that, but at 25 LeBron was in his 7th season. That’s 7 seasons of NBA experience but like you said, LeBron fanboys love to bring up MJ vs the Celtics in his 2nd season where he missed most of the season with an injury. The LeBron fanbase is the worst fanbase in NBA history.
@@tonyboots2958 Amen!!!!!!!!👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 I’m telling anybody that will listen and watch with their own eyes that they are a CULT!! I have to be careful about telling too much truth because TH-cam will delete my post and suspend me for 24hrs!!😂😂
You guys actually got Gilbert to come over? WOW means you guys speaking FACTS definitely got his attention. Great job guys! That means we are winning the information War. FACTS and the TRUTH always wins.
Sports N Fitness Rants' voice reminds me of the legendary announcer Dick Vitale.
hahahaha
Lolol
Gilbert made a burner account to email me for saying FYF only played college ball he was the coach son. I called him out he never responded. He said he never played college ball, so his Arizona days never counted
Wow! Are you serious? That's wild, why the burner account though lol
FyF is literally one of worst podcasters I've ever listened to. Dude has horrible takes that make no sense every single time, has no entertainment value, and is boring and just a lame ass person
Just referenced you in my last vid, hope you enjoy it and thank you for all the work you put in to expose these fake superstars and big egos, you rock bro!!
MJ wayyyy better than LeSteroids. Kobe wayyyy better than LeBalco. MANY others are wayyy better than LeEPO.
LeBalco is a fraud.
Gilbert says its unfair to compare lebron to Jordan and he's right! Unfair to Jordan, lebron should be compared to everyone else starting with the guy who 4 championships in his league in less time
💯 Curry definitely won just as much in less time with the same franchise. MJ, Duncan and Curry built franchise dynasties.
This was wild.
I really hope that S&FR gets invited to Gilbert's pod.
Great content, bro.
👊👊👍👍
They would never let him on because it would just be a shouting match the entire time and Kenyon Martin and Gilbert just jumping on him the whole time
Gilbert CHANGED his mvp rant about Jokic.
Initially, he said he's the WORST MVP winner in the last 40 years.
The following day..he changes it to the worst MVP player whos won it multiple times..
Then recently changed to the worst 3x MVP winner in the last 40 years.
The worst goat.
Gilbert told the panel that Kobe was his favorite player of all time a few times then after awhile after being crushed by the panel pulled out 5 rings that he said kobe gave him permission to have thats where the rings came from they are not his!
He was claiming that Kobe gave Arenas Kobe's rings?
I thought he just bought them or something but he obviously didn’t win them and it’s crazy to think Kobe just gave Gilbert arenas all of his rings no way Jose lol
Im not sure if they are authentic and maybe they are replicas but he said Kobe gave him permission to have them and maybe that's what he meant.
Gilbert never answer the question, he always ducks the question by answering with a question 😅
Sports and fitness generated a lot of excitement, but it became chaotic as too many people spoke at once, necessitating the need for a moderator. Gilbert adeptly manages the media and knows how to redirect attention.
I appreciate the S&F's energy and passion but they really needed to reign him in. He got a bit out of control which really limited what they were able to debate. I'd love to see more opposing guests hop on but they aren't going to in that environment.
@@JJFX-you gotta stop nonsense and lies immediately. You don't let lies be spread just because Gilbert is a celebrity. They should've let SFR get on Gilbert even more than they did.
@@falcons2123 Dude I listened to whole thing. He got plenty roasted for the worst things he said but he did at least attempt at conceding to something resembling a rational conversation a few times. It just got drowned out by back and forth arguing. I get it, Gil is a snake but what's the point of even being there if you just want to hear him get yelled at for 3 hours? Hell, they even glossed right over where he basically said he thinks Lebron's on the juice.
Gilbert was litetally just saying random words. He seems to be getting paid by Klutch caus there's no way he believes the nonsense he sais. Gil is just as bad as Nick Wrong💯
Nick is honestly on another level and would never hop on to do this in a million years. He's effectively a used car salesman who ended up pretending to be a sports journalist. Gilbert said some ridiculous crap and he's shown he'll say anything but he did say a lot of things on here that Lebron would never want said.
At what point, consistently over a period of years, was LeBron not too young or too old AND proved the power of his prime with repeated championships? When was that time?
There was never a point because they got excuses for everything for Lebum
His stint with Miami and his second stint in Cleveland would’ve been the time but people still managed to make excuses for him. “The Warriors were too good” yet before Kawhi got injured the spurs were up 22, and James Harden took them to 7 with Chris Paul being injured the last two games. But the warriors were too good for Lebron the greatest player of all time to make the series competitive. 🤦🏽
I caught it. It was heated and dope at the same time 😂😂😂
Im shocked about fyf saying drexler was on steroids
Can someone explain how 2 can be 89? Or better, 99? What does that even mean?
@angryoldhoopsfan u should make dat ya intro u say n to lyin Gilbert answer da got d&@m question. Dat was so funny
LYF always say, Scottie Pippen, Carrie Michael Jordan and when you in his lobby, they also will not let you talk so was good for the goose is good for the gander
I hopped on 39 minutes into the live show. Whoa Skap has joined the panel. 12 minutes later Gilbert Arenas joined and it was an all out melee !!! 😂 I was thinking about this at work, and I could be way off but this panel of content creators has gotten the attention of professional athletes and it looks like the mainstream media. What if he was sent by unklutch sports? Maybe i’m wrong. correct me if you think otherwise but I did appreciate Gil taking the time to join the brawl, donate some cash, give out some shoes and offered to get Dart a new mic when Dart said he was having some trouble with his mic. Gil’s takes are looney tunes though and I was rolling with sports and fitness rants responses. Was hoping you would rejoin and you did. I was hoping uncommon cents was there too. Anyway keep up the fight brother 🤙🏼 Aloha
Agent Zero braincells/IQ
Dang, I missed this. SFR going hard at Gil!
Skap's reaction to Moment #2😂
Scotty did carry MJ......................... off the court after the flu game. MJ 38 pts, Scotty Migraine 17pts, < 30% from the field.
Caught a good chunk of this. Was difficult to watch with all the yelling but entertaining as hell.
I watched the stream live too and when he flashed the rings, he also had me looking like 🤨🤔🧐😂
LeBron fans entire argument is the equivalent of "Well he started it" on the school ground. I enjoy guys like you and Incommon, Uncut Hoops and so many others ripping the fanboys because I cannot bring myself to watch any fanboy channels. I saw 1 guy WEARING A LEBRON shirt saying he wasn't a fanboy...the ignorance of these people dude
It's crazy because Jordan fans, Kobe fans, Bird fans, Magic fans, none of them ever started anything. LeBron declared himself the GOAT and started this war and hate on other players. Basketball talk used to be actual conversations between sensible fans and now it is just "if LeBron isn't your GOAT, you're just a hater" or "if you think Bronny shouldn't have been drafted, you're a hater that supports the nepotism of white people for years and the oppression of the black family trying to build wealth". And now the war continues like a goddamn PSYOP because Klutch has paid all these sports media and TH-cam bots to flood the masses with headlines of Jordan cheating for steals and false DPOY or lack of talent and expansion teams in the past. It's frustrating And sad
I like how yall expose lehoe and gil. Gil couldn’t say shyit 😂😂😂
Fax bro 😂
The only thing I would sugest is all of you guys get louder and better microphones. I kept finding myself cranking up the volume to hear you guys and almost tuning it to zero when Gilbert started talking.
Maybe Gil was the one who had his cranked up intentionally 🤔
I have to admit. He got me with the rings hahaha. The closest NBA team to me is the Wizards, so I very much know who Gilbert Arenas is. When he held up those rings, I was so confused I sat up to Google Washington Wizards championship until you said something hahaha. I thought hold on. He had to have won at least one in Washington and I'm 40 miles from D.C. I don't remember any.
SNF shouted you out one day so I checked you out love your content and your breakdowns SURGICAL!!!! LOL🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣I def am A member keep your foot on his neck
Yeah you gotta give GA credit for coming debating you & the gang right, lol it had to been tough.
at First the Show was Funny as hell... then it became so boring... as this Gilbert guy yappin some nonsense... start to justify some of the LeBum antics... it's crazy
I think the lack of college for lebron really helped shape him for who he's become. He needed that father figure and leadership, accountability etc. He has none. Spoiled from day 1 nba
2:15 Arenas didn't bring up those other people. Someone else did. They didn't do what James does, but Arenas didn't just throw them in. He was answering.
Gilberts point is the same as LeBron.
I keep telling y'all you giving these people to much credit.
He lost his credibility when he trying to insinuate he was the best business in the room because his money.
No sir you have money because you had a physical gift that you leveraged into money.
That don't make you the best businessman.
So right there, your done.
Secondly just like LeBron he don't write no scripts.
He's doing what he is told.
And right now people in media are being told forget the things that happened in the past.
Because feminism is kicking y'all ass.
Kicking the ass of the sensible people because they think it's just gonna blow over.
No, it's still going.
That made the entire room uncomfortable, yet I was smirking daring Gilbert Arenas to raise his hand.
The whole world is a stage and LeBron is one of the biggest storylines in sports right now, but it don't make sense because NBA viewership has been down for years so giving LeBron all this power doesn't really bring more fans. Maybe it's their way of making LeBron into a generational Icon like Ali or tiger woods or Babe Ruth, but history will never remember LeBron fans favorably as any of them. They can write all the narratives they want but people and NBA players alike know that LeBron is not on the mt Rushmore of sports.
6 Finals losses is where Lebron melted down in those Finals where he was blown out in all finals when he didn’t even see a game 7 in all 6 losses
I legitimately didn't expect Arenas to show up, I was catching up to you guys because I had nothing else to watch, usually I don't like watching 1 or few hour podcasts in general, it started off with 7 of you guys just chilling, discussing, it was a nice atmosphere, till some suspicious account started donating 20, 20 then 200 dollars and then it got real interesting...
I was listening to tht whole live. And ur spot on AOH on this reaction. Gilbert arenas talks fast and and with a tone to try to convince ppl in convo. Imo. But def talks back and forth and makes excuses for lebron. And he also plays and inflates numbers and facts im his arguements from what ive heard
I caught it. It was my favorite one so farvlol
Gilbert Arenas is flipping and flopping and all over the place what a clown 🤡
No matter what you're doing you see who the best is and that's your goal. You may not reach it, but that should be your goal. I was a 6'5 center in high school, so i looked at the best 6'4-6'5 post guys and that's who I shot for...Charles Barkley and Larry Johnson were the standards for me. Was I as good as them? No. But as long as I played I was working towards being like them. It's sad if you don't measure yourself against the best and try your best to get there!
When Gilbert was saying 1 is 100 and 2 being 89, he was referring to ranking as if they were nba2k players.
So basically he said Jordan was 100 overall and LeBron was 89 overall
I get that much, but that doesn't answer the question of "What did LeBron do in that time-frame to overtake Kobe as number 2?" [Or something to that effect, IIRC]
@@LA_quan agreed. LeBum is even on camera saying Kobe is the best in the world around the time of the original MVP.
Aohf just mentioned not understanding what Gilbert was saying so I explained it
Which would mean Kobe is an 88 ?!
Then Bronny is a fucking 49
That felt more like it was Gil’s show than Gil being the guest. I know it’s cool to have a big name on but the moderator let him have e too much
Did you listen to whole thing? They were talking over him at the first sign of a response they didn't like. Obviously they need to give him mic time or why bother having him come on. The problem was there really wasn't a moderator so everyone just fought for control, including Gilbert.
I saw that.
I'm with ya on everything aside from the favorite vs perceived G.O.A.T thing. That's been something I've heard literally my whole life.
"Well, Wilt is the best but I don't care for him as a person, so Kareem is my favorite player of all time".
"Kareem is the G.O.A.T but nobody is as fun to watch as Magic, he's my favorite".
Then there's the hometown heros. Regardless of who they thought was the actual G.O.A.T, absolutely nobody loomed more large for folks in Chicago than D.Rose when he was there. That's the case in countless other places.
"Jordan is the G.O.A.T but Kobe is my favorite" is probably the most common version of it I've ever heard everywhere I've lived and from people I've known from all over the place.
I think it’s cool you got a former pro player on the show. That tells you that they are listening. I hope more former players will come on the show.
My favorite is when people start talking about how good of a defender Lebron was, even admitting he was only playing defense for half of his career, and the man literally tries to guard someone smaller and much less athletic than him ALL THE TIME. I will never forget how he made JJ Barea look like Drazen Petrovic
Embarrassing for Dart not to control of his show and never mute Gilbert to let people talk in turn.
I said that in the chat, he doesn't know how to control his panel
AOH, you may have said before, but I can't remember. Just curious... where do you actually rank leflop?
Gil Aranas vs Avengers lol
Between Gilbert being a fool and the one guy that only ever yells I had to turn that stream off. I agree with a good amount of what that dude says but he needs to learn how to talk without yelling
No shit his voice is something else. The second he turns on any clip from that it’s immediately what you hear everytime.
"only 25" but had been in the league since he was 19
21:22 this makes no sense at all , take 3 rings cuz he wasn’t the “lead dog” ??! ….basketball is a team sport ,the “TeAM” wins championships not an individual
Those are replicas, of Kobe's championship rings. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The debate with Arenas and FYF aside, I am not a fan of the way MJFB leads these panel discussions. I would like to see it have a more free-flowing discussion, instead of an awkward pause, silence, followed by a "hey, 'so-and-so', what do you think about xyz?". Feels like a Q&A instead of a natural conversation. Admittedly, it's hard to have a conversation with so people on a livestream. But some adjustment can still be made.
If you feel the same way, I hope you all can have a private discussion on how to improve.
I’m convinced that Bronny Sr fans don’t watch him play. They can’t watch anything for more than 10 seconds anyway.
I was there. It was just a shouting match. Guy on the top middle was kinda just talking. Gil got stuff wrong about the Lakers winning a championship before Magic got there. It was a whole mess.
And Skap was cooking with the NBA history and Gil having to constantly look stuff up online instead of just taking it at face value
Well Lebron didn’t just lose going down with a fight but Lebron lost melting down in Lebron fashion against Boston and Orlando
The 2012 NBA championship is tarnished because that's the same year the NBA stopped CP3 from teaming with Kobe. But they were okay with the Lebron, Bosh, and Wade team. It makes no sense. The 2013 championship is also in doubt because of that idiocracy.
Gil pulled those rings from his ringhole
Where can i find the full stream??
Lebron could've been the Greatest Role Player of All Time.... he just thought/believed he was better than that. Sad he couldn't find and thrive in his own niche. Lebron on court was/ is a lost Pippen.
Great comment. LeBron has never won a championship as the closer on a team ever. Every single ring was never due to him just straight dominating. The year Miami beat OKC was expected and the heat overall played well it wasn't because LeBron did anything extraordinary. When they beat the Spurs, that was pure luck when LeBron was saved by Bosh and Ray Allen to win. Against GSW, he never would've won if Draymond didn't get suspended or if Kyrie didn't make one of biggest shots in history. The bubble title was against an overmatched Miami team and Anthony Davis was the real Finals MVP. And that adds to your point because LeBron has never won a title when he is dominating with crazy 2K numbers. He is at his best when he is asked to not carry the offensive load and do what he does best which is facilitate and play good defense and drive to the basket. That sounds crazy because he is all time points leader but if Jordan or Kobe would have played 20 healthy seasons they would have the record too. No one looks at Barry Bonds as the greatest baseball player of all time for hitting the most home runs so scoring the most points don't make you no GOAT
You can see Tim Duncan on the sidelines with Pop in his face and Tim takes it like he should. Tim was a leader of the team and the coach and Tim wanted to let the rest of the team know that there is an issue with the team. Tim is a top players in the NBA and was.not above the coach.
The biggest problem with LeBron probably started in his teens when everybody started telling him he was going to be the next MJ and not LeBron James. It is wrong for whoever his peers were at the time to get into and blow up his head like that because of the energy he has to put into carrying that weight and not just playing basketball. If everybody around him at the time would've just coached him into being his own player and developing excellence at fundamentals, character, leadership etc. he likely with his physical abilities would have been one of the all time greats. He needed a role model honestly.
For example, if those things would've happened and he was drafted by a team that had all of those things already, like say the San Antonio Spurs from that time, we would all be seeing a much different player today and one with a lot more prestige and respect from everybody. Nobody from the Spurs organization would've allowed him to flop and roll around on the court like a dying fish.
Jordan's greatness is realistically unreachable. The guy was like a God on the court and everybody used to say "I wanna be like Mike" because they weren't. Kobe was the closest thing and even he fell short in my opinion and he never had that kind of attitude to say: " I am or am going to be better that MJ" because of it were true it wouldn't need to be said in the first place.
WTF are THOSE?!
Gilbert is garbage
A shouting fool
Gilbert was an awesome baller y all.
LeDummy fans: "LeBron is the GOAT."
LeDummy fans: "Don't compare LeBron to only the top."
The GOAT has to compare to the top, has to be above the top (#2). Greatest of All Time means the top. You can't be the man if you can't beat the man.
number 2 could be way behind number 1, that would just mean the gap between #1 and #2 is huge. totally feasible.
also, favorite and greatest are 2 very different things, though often related. my favorite player growing up was earl monroe on the bullets, then walt frazier, i would never say either of them was the greatest. sorry but that sounds like an absurd assumption, that someone's favorite player must be the #1 or #2 greatest. favorite is completely subjective, greatest has at least some "objective" measures to look at.
I think SNF made some good points. However, I think he needs to tone it down a bit. It would go a long way to creating a more inviting atmosphere.
I think this showing by you guys was disappointing, considering. But it can be utilized as a bridge between the fans and the NBA. If it does happen again, hell yeah! If not, the door is open. The bridge *can* be built. And you guys need to keep up all the hard work. This opportunity is/was a dream come true for any NBA fan. Even for the chat, tbh. Understand that, and I'm sure this can be great!
I wish it was better moderated. I have some ideas, Ill DM you or something. Or point me in the right direction, and I'll see what I can do.
Afraid I’m just a guest, not in control. I was actually private messaging asking for more moderation.
@@AngryOldHoops I appreciate the response.
If I may ask, who is the moderator? I'd happily be an editor and moderator of these if I'm able to sit in and record audio tracks separately.
@@LA_quanDart was the host and I was begging him to jump in ref things a bit for the quality of the stream. Although I agree Gil and FYF was making no sense, it was alot of yelling over each other hurting the quality of the stream. But I do respect the panel not being a fan and holding Gil to the fire. 💪🏾
@@ijamorris Thank you! I'll reach out to him about it too.
Gaylbert acting like saying that MJ is his #1 and Kobe his favorite player makes his opinions about LeBtich valid is hilarious. Everyone can see that you don't have a neutral position, Gayl.
Klay Thompson turned down LeHelp me please James an that there is hall of famer #2 who said no bueno to LA since he's been there.
Question is, would shaquille o'neal have won the three championships without kobe, I think not
I caught it lol enjoyed it other than sports n fitness yelling non stop that clearly doesn’t help your argument even if you are 100% right
Those rings Arenas wear are from NBA players who had to sell them. At least according to him
Kind of an odd thing, it's not like he earnt them. Does he buy their ex-wives wedding rings too?
Gilbert tosses 200 into you guys to buy favorable position, Gilbert has his mic super loud, so he can talk over you guys in a soft controlled voice, in theory