How Magnus DESTROYS Pins
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🎙I apologize for the poor audio quality! I'll be working on fixing this ASAP!
It sounds like you're yelling. Not doing that might help.
Its alright you already analyzed thousands of his games what more could we want
@@sammarks9146 He's not yelling, it sounds like clipping or compression
My biggest problem with TH-cam videos is NOT being able to hear. This one, I had to turn the volume away down. No problem with sound quality. I could hear you perfectly.
Ok
I now see the difference between Magnus and me. That is, sometimes I ignore the pin as well, but Magnus doesn't lose the queen in the process.
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😂😂 that was good
@@ChessVibesOfficial u ever wanted to ask Magnus why do u ignore it alot and why did he want to do chess in the first place?
Actually you got to be sure that your counter attack goes somewhere to allow doubled pawns. Not surprising it is more common at higher elo
@@lucasbortoluzzi9369 That's insightful
Next: How Magnus responds to checkmate
Keaya ? What are you doing here ?
The tho
"Nice try"
He sue you for cheating and u get ban from torney
Shakes hand and moves on in life
The way I see it, Magnus does not ignore the threat 55% of the times, he just delays his counter by a few moves.
The way I see it is that he values a tempo higher than not having doubled pawns
Eventually you will respond to it wether you want to or not
in a game where each move should be treated like gold. I think it's fair to class a delay for a few moves as an ignore
@@jackgallagher4146 Nice perspective
He creates a bigger threat for his opponent that the original opponent's pin.
I think it's tempting to focus on the 55%... but it's also important to note that almost half the time Magnus does react. You have to have the right positioning to ignore the pin. And Magnus is probably much better than most at being in the position to take advantage of ignoring it
That is a terrific (and admittedly easily overlooked perspective). I think @chessvibesofficial did a phenomenal job on the analysis, but when we consider 55% ignores/45% reacts, it does make it seem a little less insightful perhaps?
I am a huge proponent of ignoring pins. I think psychologically it takes a little wind out of your opponent’s sails, but you do have to keep an eye on it and be sure to have a development plan.
Timestamps:
1:25-2:29 Moved Queen
2:35-4:00 Defended with Knight
4:06-5:15 Defended with Queen
5:40-6:44 Blocked with Bishop
6:50-9:12 Attacked with Flank Pawn
9:30-12:43 Ignored
12:43-13:22 Summary
thanks :)
You’re a chad
Thanks
Thanks
a little late but thx mate
A mindset I developped by playing shogi is "if I can't react in a way I'm ok with, I have to attack where it hurts" and it's actually the concept here, focusing on influence and aggro when under pressure.
that mindset is definitely applicable in chess too
Sun Tzu the Art Of War
Damn Nelson thank you for working so hard on one topic for us which occurs a lot in our regular games
i like that idea that you treat a known opponents next move you can't effectively respond to as you have 2 times per turn
3:29
By moving his Queen there he also pins the knight to the white king, which was previously defending e4
I appreciate the effort that went into video. Very interesting. Cheers
I too
Amazing how I play like magnus 55 %of the time yet lose 95% of the time.
My favourite opening with white is the Blackmar-Deimer Gambit.
With black, it's the Dutch Defense.
Isn't the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit black's opening?
@@danielyuan9862 It's a gambit for white, and the beauty of it is that it can transpose into other openings like the French or Caro-Kann if black doesn't want to accept the gambit.
Wth is blackmar-deimer gambit
All I know is queen pawn/king pawn
Either you're a tactical/combinatorial genius, or you lose a lot of games :)
@@DieFlabbergast It's a bit of both lol
Thank you for taking the time to post and analyze this! The bishop pin to the knight is the most common early opening... Almost every game I play my opponent does this, and it's my least favorite move. It's more annoying than anything, and I always find a way to un-pin as soon as possible, and then punish them for daring to threaten my king or queen.
“It isn’t a checkmate, it’s just a king sacrifice.”
GREAT video! This is becoming one of my favorite chess channels. People talk about chess style all the time with GMs; that's easy enough to see in a broad sense, but the specifics are not. This kind of statistical breakdown over commonly occuring positions (here, a pinned queen) gives real, teaching insight beyond just characterizing style of play in a word. I wish you success to keep making these specific types of videos. This seems like a ton of work, and it's very instructive. Gonna share this with some friends now. Making a contribution to your channel atm is just too hard for me to do (hopefully soon, I'd love to support this channel) , so sharing is the least -- or most? -- I could do. Either way, thanks again for this great video!
2% of the time he moved his queen. 1:24
3% of the time he defended with the knight. 2:34
4% of the time he defended with the queen. 4:05
13% of the time he blocked with the bishop. 5:38
23% of the time he attacked with the flank pawn. 6:49
55% of the time he ignored the pin and continued developing. 9:26
can we just appreciate the fact that he had to find 100 games that Magnus was pinned ⁉️
You say he "ignores" it but he eventually Castles out of it, that's why his next two moves after the pin was to make room for the king to castle ASAP
I love how your videos are straight to the point and you explain clearly.. most chess channels want to give too much of their input, confuse you with a lot of moves the best players dont even do for a reason, and never get to the point! Great content brother
3:24 me when I'm trying to form a damn simple phrase in English 😂
I think the reason that he ignores for more than half of the cases is that, the king and queen will be moved away a few moves later even without the pin, so it's really not worth to waste a tempo to deal with the pin, unless the opponent has a good follow up to exploit the pin
Did you do the data yourself or do you have a team? These are impressive findings
its 100 games
@@peeepeeepooopooo A hundred that had to first be found and selected out of several thousand, where such pins occurred.
@@Danso_3000 you can just keep going down the top games list and see if any of them have pins its max gonna take like 2 hours max, and he didnt actually look at thousands of games lmao
@@Datscrazi231 He could narrow things down by searching the text (as one big PGN file) for "Bb5", "Bb4", "Bg5" and "Bg4". This wouldn't give you The List, but you can search the text for "Nc6" (if Bb5 has shown up), "Nc3", etc.
Of course that STILL isn't the complete process, but you've likely filtered out a lot of games that don't involve pinning.
(Disclaimer: I'm not saying this is how Nelson did it, just how you *can* use a computer search to get rid of games where obviously there was no pin.)
Him and his dog maybe
Magnus' reaction to that pin:
Hey Nelson, I have a challenge for you
Play a match against Martin, but "without" your Queen, and both of your Rooks. You are allowed to promote your Pawn to a Rook, but not to a Queen.
Good luck!
Next suggestion: how Nelson responds to hate comments
Edited: I don't know how serious Nelson analyze this. This dedication is so underrated
I think in the case of a queen pin, you can flank pawn attack because queen just recaptures and pawn structure isn't damaged. It also prepares the escape square for a kingside castle. Additionally, in a king pin, I think its best to move the bishop as it defends the knight and develops a piece. Despite Magnus ignoring over half of the time, my observations are probably better for lower rated players because we may not know how to take advantage of the position and just being a pawn or other down. I'd like some feedback to know if my analysis was good as a low rated player.
Edit: Considering the counter attack option, it does seem good but again, its a lot easier for a low rated player to not know how to counterattack correctly and defending may seem like the more solid option.
Someone else commented about whether the numbers change for pins on the king as opposed to pins on the queen.
@@christopherheckman7957 didn't see it
3:16
"..and then they can much easier- much easily- ea-"
*contemplates life decisions*
I’d say castling address the pin on the king there, rather than completely ignoring it.
Respond in this context is the *next* move
So he seems to look for ways to have his defense serve his own attack and otherwise just lets the opponent capture. That's a great lesson!
One could argue that moving the bishop in the first example is not ignoring it, but is preparing to castle so the knight is no longer pinned.
Great info, thanks
I think it's important to note that he ignores it most of the time because he's got a more lethal counter attack in mind based on his opponents setup.
-1 pawn doesn't mean much when you can take control over the entire kings side of the board.
He still reacts 45% of the time, likely when he doesn't see an angle to exploit his opponent yet early in games vs certain setups. Avoiding doubled pawns and keeping your defence flexible is a perfectly valid way to play. Especially for newer players.
I think it's because he values development over attack or counter attack. Keeping his options open do he can focus on winning the game instead of getting dragged into a minor scuffle
What I have always thought about chess strategies is that the offense is the best defense. I guess it is true. You want to constantly create threats to the opponent. And by defending, you're actually giving more chances to the opponent to put you even worse situation since you are not developing your pieces and creating threats, but the opponent is.
thanks for putting in the work on this video. I used to always either immediately break the pin or threaten the bishop. Now I try other things first
This channel has to be amongst the top 3 channels on youtube when it comes to learning Chess! Love your work mate..
You should have made two seperate charts for knight pinning to king and knight pinning to queen and other things as there he can move the knight too
Good point.
The orange segment there I think only makes good sense if it's a Queen that's pinned which probably happens on average 50% of pins. Otherwise, you're going to double up your pawns.
I think if you had separate charts, the queen pin one could double the orange segment and probably be the most popular option and in the king pin one, that option might go to 0% and be the lowest choice.
thank you nelson now i wont fail to win in a boxing game as i now know dogs bark
Such a useful video, great work on the research, this channel is golden
You must have put in many hours in analyzing all those situations, thank you so much for yet another amazing video!
Aren't you assuming that the move immediately following a pin is always in response to the pin which I would think is not necessarily true. The move could be motivated by another factor entirely! 😁 love the channel by the way.
I think that's kind of implied when you are "looking for the reaction."
You could make a case when the next move is a check or something else that has a higher priority for the opponent than BxN (such as an attack on the queen).
There's Magnus ignoring the pin and winning and then there's me ignoring the pin and getting smothered or ending up in a fork
I almost always immediately kick with the A/H pawn. I’m going to mess around with not responding immediately to it and see how that feels.
Actually at 3:30 and moments leading to it, it's just the cambridge springs defense and all theory.
Note the “ignore” play happens in Q gambit w the pawn gone so no double pawn in recapture. Major factor.
Very interesting bit of information. Thank you for putting this all together.
Cut to Hikaru gratefully watching this in his hotel room the night before his next match with Magnus.
Fantastic video btw!
Haha I don't think my research is THAT good!
Great extensive analysis. Cracked me up when Nelson failed to say "easily"
The most important statistic was not mentioned. OF THOSE 55% ignore the pin games, what percentage of those did he WIN. What percentage were lost and drawn. Can you tally up the wins of only the times he ignored the pins? If you viewed 100 games, then you have 55 games to consider. How many of those 55 were won? The video seems to be saying it is BETTER to ignore the pins and either develop or counter-attack. Thx!
When you say he ignores it, it looks like this only happens in specific scenarios: i.e. he sees an easy oportunity to move the piece behind the knight outmof the way in a way that helps him more
I'm absolutely brand new to chess, so this is probably an example of what I should not be watching at this moment, but brilliant food for thought, so many options scenario dependent.
Thank you for taking the time!
This is an insane amount of effort just to learn one thing
Yes but now we see that with data analysis at scale we can learn more valuable lessons.
Dudes actually a watered down Dr Strange 😂💀
Actually he probably responded like this, he thought to himself
"Oh no, a pin"
Magnus truly embodies the saying "The best defense is a good offense"
Imagine being so good at something, that people extensively analyse the most minute details of your existence to hundreds of thousands of people.
The whole video is spoiled on 0:44, we know what the blue slice will be
In example one, moving the queen, it would have been nice to see the next move by Magnus. I'd imagine he defended against the knight but still seeing his next move and (depending on your expertise, 1st time viewer) if he wanted the knight to come in or if he should have just moved the queen to defend against the knight initially.
Love the content idea.
Edit: just saw you're titled so your expertise is obviously valued.
Magnus: "Ignores Pins"
Me: "Moves the pinned piece"
??? : The best way to destroy pins is to destroy the opponent's king
Opponent: Ha! I opened up your structure!
Magnus: No, you opened up my attack
It makes sense that he ignores it most of the time. Because the piece doing the pinning can move either. Or the pin is lost. So he maneuvers around it.
I hardly count that 3% "defending with his knight." The pinned knight is still pinned. He still can't move.
Wow, I actually thought that there was going to be something like 80 % of king up for a late bongcloud 💀💀💀
TY for the video. Bobby fischer had the same mindset, that the best defense is a good offense.
I like these analysis videos. You might even consider using all grandmaster-level games as an initial starting point, although the dataset would be much larger.
How to respond a pin: CALL AN AMBULANCE!! CALL AN AMBULANCE!!! ...BUT NOT FOR ME
Your efforts must be appreciated. It is not easy to find 100 good games and analyze them. The video is very helpful and it vanished one of my difficulties
Sometimes i realize a pin too late, and in those situations just trade or attack on the other side of the board. Basically trying to make a mess with the board. It works out sometimes
Why does this feel like a boss tutorial
Thanksgiving for putting this beneficial analysis together
7:44 thats a solid opening, the anderssen
magnus 55% of the time: * does nothing *
Do this on his opening, middle, & endgame then you have created the ultimate magnus bot.
"How Magnus responds to gambits"
When someone pins my knight to my king… I SACRIFICE THE KING!!
Castling two turns later is a response to the pin. Pin is gone.
This dude presented this video like if he was presenting a new project to the CEO of Google
Thank You, Nelson! Very enlightening, I will be using these examples tomorrow at my Chess Club. Also, wanting you to know that there are so many examples of such diligent work on your part in the sharing of many such excellent examoles. Your Ch. is always greatly appreciated. Have a Grand Day!! ..... Mike.
Another common way to deal with a pinned knight is to out a knight inbetween instead of a bishop. That breaks the pin even if your other knight will now get pinned should you decided to move thr originally pimned knight. It's even theory in some openings.
This is quite literally the video I've been waiting for...people love pinning knights and goddamn this is of a huge help
That's why I didn't like playing Black (all those years ago). I felt like White could play the Ruy Lopez and easily get the upper hand.
Nice work finding and summarizing all these games, thanks! Since all these pins happen in different scenarios, and not all of them threathen doubling the pawns, it would be nice to see how he responds to the actual threat of doubling a pawn.
This is Chessvibes is one of the best chess channels. The content is original and instructive
I had one game against my brother where he pinned my knight to my queen. My response was ignoring it, but in a different way. I played knight takes pawn, leaving the queen wide open. He takes the queen and I move the knight again to attack his queen, which was also a discovered check from the rook.
There's something weird with the microphone in this video, I can't put my finger on what it is though.
bro it's levy's job to milk magnus
Nelson: talking
Brain: no
Nelson:
😐
Next: how magnus reacts to getting f**ked.
I meant 'forked'
1:57 it's easy to see why Carlsen decided to move his queen here, he's already developed all the pieces, so it's time to develop the queen too and controlling a nice diagonal
Should have also factored if he won the games. Each color wedge could be split into light and dark color for wins and losses.
I believe "much more easily" is the phrase you were looking for
The moment you showed the spreadsheet, you earned a like from me. Respect to the effort.
1:38 white broke a chess rule (can you find it?)
En pasant is forced
Yeah white was disqualified after
Just ignore the pin unless you feel that it is going to be pressured
Excellent focus on the subject about "pin" on the knight! Thank you for your effort in presenting this subject . More success to your endeavors sir!
The example of the flank pawns isn't exactly accurate since the block was with the knight. Not exactly defended, per se, but still the pawn is a follow up that comes after dealing with the pin. Semantics, I'm sure.
0:03
He looks like my one karate teacher from 1994-1995 …..and also like that one dad from the movie Searching For Bobby Fischer.
6:00 you say bishop is the answer, but he already has a horsey horse covering the pin.
Yes but he wants to go Ne4... without the bishop he cant. Also after Be7 he can castle
If i ignore a pin i will be checkmated in a few moves 550% of the time
This was great, please do more of these!
My little brother:ah yes I’ll respond like this (moves the knight)
9:37 thanks for telling me something I didn’t know