The Civil War Grapevine percussion breech loading carbine
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- Grapevine carbine, Cosmopolitan carbine, Gwyn and Campbell carbine, Union carbine. Many names, three inventors, one maker. This is the detailed presentation of one of the most underrated percussion breech loading cavalry carbines of the American Civil War. History, development, impact, cartridges and a lot of accuracy and mad minute range tests for the Union carbine. Take your time, lay back, enjoy!
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Your passion for your hobby is astounding my friend. One of my Grandfather's was Alford W. Landrum who fought in Wright's Legion out of Georgia. He was a cavalryman . I have the wardrobe his uniform hung in until it vanished in the 1970s. I have a picture of him and my Great Grandmother x2 on my wall . An 1861 rifle and a brace of 1851 revolvers. Also a model 1849 .31 caliber revolver. Thank you for your unbiased history of the conflict. I also have his Records from service. And a plethora of court house documents from post war reconstruction. He was wounded at both Gettysburg and Fredericksburg and still fought one further skirmish with one good eye and one working hand.
Tough little fellow by all accounts.
Hearing " Meters per secondum " makes me smile all day long
Very informative. Thank you!!! That was made about 10 miles from where I live.
Loved the CS belt buckle and the US cartridge box plate mix . You know your audience . The Maynard carbine has the best gas seal of all Civil war cap fired carbines . When the action is closed the wide base of the brass cartridge join for a perfect seal .
Not sure I'd call it "perfect". My Maynard will leak. Shoots great, but I have to wear a glove on my left hand.
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I have been looking for a video on this carbine for many years, I am glad you have finally done it!
Nice bit of history and bringing this old lady back to life too.
Yikes, seems like a dangerous weapon to the person firing it. But it's an important evolution in the gap between the transition from muzzle loader to breech loading.
Was a pleasure to meet you last week, I'm now back home again and happy with the reproduction ammo boxes which now grace the display cabinet with other shooting paraphernalia.
I hope to return to the shop again in the near future.
There is no better leisure for a Gentleman than a good cigar, a good Whiskey and cap an Ball Chanel . You made my evening like you did many times before. Thanks for your great work. I will check your ebay Shop. Greetings from germany
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I have recently found your channel and I thoroughly enjoy your videos in the beautiful Hunglish language! I enjoy reading historical fiction, especially that of Bernard Cornwell over the periods of the Napoleonic Wars, American War of Independence and the US Civil War. In it he describes the weapons and how they're used in detail. Your channel is the first one I've found that goes into the same detail, showing how they work and their design. I really enjoy seeing all these pieces I've read about in action. Thank you very much for sharing your passion with us!
Your videos are Excellent! This was so interesting that I may well watch again. This piece is very unique and I think looks amazing. Amazing because it’s so bizarre and historical. I have a 69cal. N. Starr Army issue 1829. It was flintlock originally but later converted to cap and ball. According to research I’ve done it most likely was used in the Civil War and who knows before. I restored it and it works well and amazingly accurate for just a front sight. Thank You So Much and Many Blessings! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
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Once again an interesting and informative video well worth watching. I had only ever read about this one and seen a few pics before now . Cheers
The purchasing power of US Dollars in 1860s was approximately 35 times of today’s. So, a 22.5 dollar Grapevine Carbine costs around 788 dollars.
Someone call Headstamp Publishing, Cap and Ball should be writing a book soon!! "Flint Lock to Cartridge, The Forgotten Weapons of the 19th Century"
As always an excellent video, well researched historical content, well laid out and explained.
Awesome looking gun love ur content man always super informative and super fun to watch you do what you do best
Excellent job and very nice shooting with the old lady!
absolutely great presentation , thanks for sharing
One of my favorite civil war breech-loading small arms
Nice video. Early breachloders are interesting. As a Norwegian I am of course partial towards the kammerlader.
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Thank you Sir for the excellent presentation, as always......Regards Doc
Verry interesting and informative about the grapevine percussion carbine! Verry educational how you made the cartilage and cartilage boxes.Loading and reloading the carbine. Verry good groups.I like this gun.God speed. David Back from USA.
I had never heard of this model, thank you.
Excellent video very interesting you seem to find some very unique and hard to find guns !
Thank you for this video, I shoot one in the North-South Skirmish Association and it is an accurate and easily serviced Arm; I strongly suspect y it was a victim of it’s looks in some of these bad evaluations. Like the Sharps it leaks gas, but modern shooters wear glasses. We generally shoot them with the fore end hand way out front. I do wish the war models had been made with the Maynard’s brass cartridge. I shoot Maynards and smith’s in competition and think the Maynard has a better gas seal. The Gwyn & Campbell is a easy weapon to disassemble for cleaning. Thanks again for a great video!! PS. They were used in Grierson’s famous raid.
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Maybe a increase powder charge could bring down the point of impact ?
The size of the hammers on these old guns is amazing. I have a 1864 Springfield , huge hammer .
Great vid 👍
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While I am aware of the Smith and Burnside and the Sharps and a few others this one slipped by me. You never cease to amaze me how you come upon some of these firearms and jn Hungary no doubt. Were you in the US they are much more easily found. You always put so much effort and research into your videos. They are always top notch. Have you ever visited the US?
Very interesting & ur narration is both exuberant & excellent!👍😃🇺🇸
And a thank you to you, in beautiful bright Hunglish-Köszönöm!
Whilst not pretty, it is quite endearing, and did well with the round ball.
I bet not a single grape was used in the construction of this carbine
hilarious when the birds are chirping in the background my closed captioning says [ Music] lol and when the gun is being loaded and cocked it says [ foreign ] very funny stuff
I'm intrigued by the simple action if metallic cartridges hadn't been taking over I'm sure that firearm would have seen significant changes .
All those breechloaders had the same gas leaking problem before the metallic cases, indeed.
The Hall 1819 rifle that was the first breech loading rifle to have seen service in the US Army, even the Lindner carbine that was sold to the french army and saw service in 1870...
A friend of mine has a Lindner. I am planning to make a video about it.
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Lindner tried to solve the problem and partly succeeded with a specific locking system.
Efficient but they became quickly obsolete...
Outstanding video loved it 👍👍
Lovely little carbine. I like it.
Outstanding Production…!!
Very nice friend. Love the odd ball Civil War rifles. You seem to have quite a few where you are.
awesome video !!!!
still a beautiful piece !!!!
I would expect a higher powder load because of the pressure bleed off. Also, how does the powder ignite being a waxed paper casing? And without a pressure seal, I'm shocked there is a strong explosion instead of a flash like black powder lit in the open.
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That would get a little hot without a forearm stock I think. Always great topics and history behind it. That gun has a better group than some new manufacture rifles. Always learning from your channel. Thanks for posting another fantastic video.
Anyone have any ideas why a lot of these little carbines don't have wooden foregrips? I was thinking if most cavalrymen had something like riding gloves, maybe they thought that those would protect the hands from the heat and you could save a little weight and material. Still seems odd when most every other long arm had a wooden foregrip
Most likely manufacture ease. Additional furniture means additional manufacture time and cost.
In competition , people wear gloves to shoot the Maynard carbine . In some cases , such as the Smith carbine with wood forearm , they will hold the barrel for better accuracy . The metal barrels get very hot very quick . Never seen anyone shooting a grapevine carbine in rapid fire competition in my 47 years of wasting lead with the N-SSA .
It is a ugly duckling but it shows the innovation at the time. I was very impressed with the accuracy of the .535 round ball with such a fast twist rate. I guess the 40 grains was low enough to poke it along without striping it through the rifling. 30 meters is like 100 feet.
Your awesome and awesome video be safe out there
Acquired my G&C because, in my golden years I've become enamored of CW carbines, because it was cheap, and mostly because it was so ugly it's almost beautiful. Mine was uniussued, doesn't spit much at the breach, requires a little hook device to extract unburnt paper, and is reasonably accurate at 50 yards. Alas, can't post a photograph.
True caseless ammo. Sweet.
This was a great video, remember Cavalry rifle so just a thought. Should you be at least 14 to 16 hands above ground to test it properly?
Thanks for showing us this interesting middle step in the evolution of military firearms. Please get a gunsmithing screwdriver set with various tips to fit screws to work on these wonderful old arms that you show us. Happy shooting!
Why did it look like the ladder sight was raised all the way?
This is classical hunting and shooting. Waidmannsheil!
So does all the paper burn up or does it jam allot?
Safety glasses were a good idea 🤣
Nice video. Thanks.
Just for consideration - while starting at half cock is in accordance to the manual of arms, I can assure you that any soldier on the front lines would skip the half cock step. "Fire", "Full cock", "Open breech", "Load cartridge", Place cap", & "Fire", would be the sequence any soldier under fire would use.
I'd be willing to bet that you'll get three more shots off in that minute if you would try to do the same.
Yes, you are right. Skipping half cock makes the process faster.
I am not so sure about "any soldier". Once you're drilled to do something a certain way, you're likely to revert to that under stress.
Great job thank you 👍
Were the cartridge boxes waxed or treated to protect the cartridges from moisture?
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it's beautiful. i want one
Very interesting video. Maybe more single shot black powder military rifle like mauser 71?
Maybe a thin rubber disk at the base of the cartridge would help seal the breech?
What about the Westley-Richards with its brass obturator? Doesn't that seal the breech?
Class and elegance.
Looks to have a nick on the muzzle. You should recrown it for accuracy .
Thanks
Have you tried boring a hole down the center of your cartridge former? Put it to your lips and a gentle puff might slide the delicate paper right off.
Play with that powder charge and that round ball group should tighten up nicely.
This is an excellent carbine for cavalry scouts. The firepower would be great once they dismount and conduct a recon mission and self defense of compromised. Next if a cavalry troop has to conduct a screening maneuver when coming into contact with the enemy to cover a heavy force behind them. Another if a cavalry troop or squadron has to hold ground to await of the arrival of a heavier force like infantry and artillery. Which the firepower of these carbines can be more effective laying down lead on the enemy. The problem I see is a lack for a handguard under the barrel for a few rounds under combat conditions.
That was a key element of the use of cavalry during the civil war. Rather a dragoon concept, than European light or heavy cavalry.
@@capandball Indeed Sir. I used to be a Paratrooper in the Airborne Infantry and Cavalry Scout. In the American Civil War that Cavalry with good carbines with firepower can hold key positions when doing recon or fight their way out if compromised faster than non mounted troops if trained in reconnaissance roles to get a message back to higher command. Robert E. Lee had a problem with Gen. Jeb Stuart who's cavalry had ran amok in the Union Army's rear and flanks had not reported to Gen. Lee about the Union Army's positions and strength. This cause the Confederates to lose the battle of Gettysburg. The Union cavalry under Gen. Reynolds were able to fix the Confederates in contact with repeating carbines until Union forces arrived marching double time. Very good tactical sense in creating initiative in combat to form the battle. According to history this was a chance battle by accident. The problem was Confederate cavalry failed to gain intelligence when it was attacking into Union territory.
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That is an interesting carbine, I imagine the barrel get very hit and hard to hold without a fore stock.
Interesting. I get good accuracy from my modern muzzleloader with the 1:28 twist rifling. That slow motion shows gas and particulates flying backwards towards your face. You have to keep in mind in the 1860’s polycarbonate eye protection didn’t exist, so it likely did blow shit into shooters’ eyes. Looks like you need to set the rear sight lower or file the front sight or load develop your conical load regardless of historical claims. I bet you could fit more than 40gn of powder in the cartridge or less if necessary to tighten that group up, or some combination of those. Lot of 1800’s guns were made with proud front sights and you would pick a load that grouped right then file if necessary the front sight until it looked where it hit.
Hey Cap nBall. Please will you film your Action also from your left Side please? Thank you. Verry interessant
stuff, i think. Merci from Switzerland. Greetings Jan
I love this guns is my favorites
It would be nice if you could get Pedersoli to reproduce a carbine of this style.
There are so many good historical gun concepts to reproduce...
You should do Finnish Brutality with percussion weapons, ala Josie Wales.
👍😊 how things have changed but not really that much.
Chance to Review The krnka rifle?
In a civil war fight, the cannon must be very hot after a few shots, and no barrel protection is a big mistake...like on the Henry
It's a weird boom stick, from The Southern States! Cool...
No , the Union carbine was made by the Yankee nation , up in Hamilton Ohio . The good guys in that war got most of their carbines from England and what was no longer needed by the fleeing Yanks off the battle fields .
that gun has an interesting sound.
When will your civil war powder measures be back on your EBay or Webstore? Wanted to order some but they don’t appear on both.
Great Video anyway.
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Muito linda e que tiro gostoso. Adoro armas antigas.
Very interesting but very flawed rifle. Thank you for covering stuff you don't see anywhere else.
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Is the paper holding the powder a nitrated paper?
oh, nope just thin , should have waited longer in the video.
I owned a replica German made Gallagher Carbine in the 70's (imported by Navy Arms). Interesting gun to shoot but be prepared to lose all the hair off your bracing arm. Finally sold it (after setting my shirt sleeve on fire) and got a modern Smith & Wesson model 25 in 45 ACP revolver (still a good trade and I wish I'd kept it). Came with several brass cartridges that you reloaded by hand with ball and powder (and lube). Used a standard rifle percussion cap (like the Grapevine Carbine) to fire the cartridge. You could paper cartridges or the brass cartridges. Used supposedly by the Union Calvary in a couple of states through private purchase. I just know I didn't have hair on my left arm for several weeks after shooting it.
Will you be selling the box templates?
Yes, I am planning it. We'll be a set with the printing plate.
Nice looking carbine, not sure if I would be into wrapping cartridges in a fancy box every time, but looks very authentic alright.
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That looks like an original not a copy or a remake of that weapon. Shoots pretty well considering it is an old weapon. The history and content were quite excellent. I noticed you used winged Musket caps the same ones I use on my 1853 .58 cal. three band Enfield. Thank you for sharing.
that's an original piece made in 1864.
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It's a beauty...but...It amazes me that the US Cavalry did not push so much harder and much earlier for mass adoption of either a cartridge-based carbine or better, a repeating rifle. Early in the war the Confederate Cavalry outperformed them. Consider the advantage if Union Cav had Henrys with a shorter, rider-friendly 6 or 8 round barrel. Troopers could carry dozens of ready to use cartridges. Range is less of an issue mounted when you can close more quickly or disengage if you are out-distanced by longer rifles. Overall, They would have had a tremendous advantage, mounted or dismounted. If you take into account the cost and care of the horse with saddle, tack etc, the added cost (and complexity) of repeaters would seem trivial.
I was listening on the grapevine
Lucky a spark didnt find that cartrige box.
Man that thing would get soooo hot after just a few shots.