How to make a cool painting and then ruin it
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Mistakes were made, but more importantly, lessons were learned, and thankfully sprits stayed high since I went into this with an attitude of experimentation. Sure, at times, I lost my way and got stuck for months at a time, but I did finally finish the painting, even if my final act was to ruin it, haha!
Anyways, here's a pic of it before it was ruined: / cjrhrjql5qo
Maybe in the future I can try this in black and white, now that I feel a little more comfortable with the process. If I was smarter and more patient I would have (and maybe I will) tested out how these different mediums interact on a test piece of wood, but that's not what happened.
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I'm glad you didn't let the art sit there and mock you and win forever. Instead you grabbed your pens and paint and joined the battle again, no matter the outcome. Awesome work!
So cool to see one channel I watch comment on another!
Yeah I'm pretty scared of even branching out of my comfort zone (even though I know it'll ultimately help me become more skilled at artistic expressions) yet he took the plunge and made an attempt to alter something I wish I was skilled enough to make
motorcyclists call those things Tar Snakes. They can be slippery when wet but more importantly they can be soft and squishy when hot and the power and weight of a motorbike easily deforms them. its kind of scary, feels like your slipping when you're not
Ooh interesting
I see then all the time. I feel like it's a cheap fix when the road really needs proper work done.
@@peter_draws I said exactly that when I read the above comment. Gave me a little laugh when I saw your comment. Felt like I’d just been quoted.
In Britain we don't have them, we have needles and potholes to swerve around
moral of the story ... spray varnish is your friend ... after allowing several days for paint to cure ... : )
edit: ps... as an artist my heart felt actual pain .. been there ... Glad you posted the video tho.. Onward and upward ? ... yes.. always ... !! : ] )
Yeah I think so!
God damn it, I was bout to say the same exact thing. I 100% Agree with you Sharon, Spray varnish really works well. then I apply some brush on varnish.
Or a sponge brush.
"Theres no mistakes, just happy accidents" - Bob Ross
exactly, its just part of the peice
The smudgy piece is exactly what Peter intended
“Theres no happy accidents, just mistakes” Ross cob
"As long as you're learning, you're not failing" -Bob Ross 😊
Even if the final result looks like shit?
it’s oddly comforting to know one of my biggest inspirations still gets insecure/worried sometimes. i haven’t made anything worthwhile in months and it’s killing me. thanks for your honesty peter. we love you.
anyone else listen to Peters videos while they fall sleep to help.
yes !
Almost routinely lmao
I used to, I have a playlist called Peter Sleeps it’s got all of the podcasts and other zen-chill vibes. 😉 👍
I do, but not because they're boring!
Me
Adding water to acrylic paint to thin it can be done only to a certain extent before the integrity of the paint degenerates and will fade or flake off over time. Im not certain what the threshold is, however, probably many variables. Acrylic thinning medium works great to maintain the integrity. I also am under the impression that heavy bodied paint has more to do with how you want your paint to lay down than how much pigment there is in it. For instance, you can use a heavy-bodied paint to create texture in your painting, like sculpting a landscape leaving ridges or peaks. You can have just as much pigment in a thinner bodied paint but you won't need to thin it down yourself as much to get the flow that you want if that's what you want. The pigment saturation I think has more to do with the quality of the brand that you use than the heaviness of the body, and Golden is an excellent brand all around.
(Disclaimer: I may be wrong)
I have only a little bit of experience as a hobby painter, but have watched probably hundreds of videos of other more accomplished acrylic artists and I'm relaying what I remember hearing from them.
I feel for you in your disappointments. I have definitely been there! Thanks for sharing the good and the bad so to speak. It helps us to know we're not such idiots ourselves. Experimentation is the only path between chaos and order, the borderlands where all true artists forge. Love you, Peter
Yep, heavy body has high viscosity and is thick. If you want thinner paint, try Golden's Fluid Acrylic or High Flow.
I just watched a video where the lady said not to water the paint down more than 50%
@@shanleyshoupe7873 Yep, that's what I've been told, too: the paint to water ratio should be 2:1 max. More water breaks the binder.
You can also add a thing called “Paint retarder” to acrylic paint it slows the drying process down, gives you a bit more time and it’s rather thick so you don’t get runny thin paint.
You can get fluid body acrylics they can be quite interesting to work eiyh - thinner acrylic still packs a punch with colour/pigment just on the "watery-er" side but not watercolour
not gonna lie...when I saw the finished product on ig...I thought it was nice af. Looked like something someone would honestly pay thousands for
also, only Peter would think about the tar lines on the road and find inspiration and think about the duality of man vs nature lol love it. glad to know im not the only one that thinks about random things this deeply
Hey pete like the painting. looks like too much water broke the acrylic bonds. the pigment ends up sitting on top unbound and can get picked up/smudged. try spray lacquer next time if much water is used
ive ruined tons of collages by using the wrong glues or topcoats. just have to make mistakes and learn! eventually you find a system that works and you can run with it
I was literally just thinking just about 30 minutes ago how Peter hasn’t uploaded a video in a while
I have a vivid dream last night in which I attended a paid tour of the estate of Peter Deligdisch. It included a gigantic mansion extensive grounds and an enormous treehouse, all adorned with the most amazing drawings paintings and sculptures. I awoke thinking to myself, I hope a new Peter Draws video drops today.
Living in Pennsylvania, we have plenty of those squiggly tar lines. Just like what you did with your pen work, do 100 more paintings then see where you are.
Yeah I agree, I think 100 more paintings are in order, I just hope I don’t get distracted by something else. I guess there’s no rush though!
how many times can you paint on one canvas
Everything about this painting/video makes me feel inspired to do some painting myself. The color palette is gorgeous, the flowy lines of the acrylic juxtaposed with some of the straight Posca lines is really cool, and the fact that you were inspired by the cracks in the road makes me feel like I can really be inspired by anything. Great video, Peter!
The smudges give it even more depth!!! Love how it came out but as an artist I know it only matters if you like it too! You live, you learn.
If you made a few pieces following this process - with colourful posca squiggles sandwiched in between expressive matching paints - you would legitimately have a series of works worthy of an art gallery exhibition. Super awesome and inspiring work Peter, it takes a lot to come back to a project after months.
Thank you, yeah I think it’s something worth pursuing as well
Just wanted to tell you that you're a huge inspiration. From the way you make art, to your way of thinking. Just you as a person, you're a huge inspiration to me, if that makes sense. Or at least the parts you share. I've been drawing nonstop since I could hold a pen but lost interest for a few years. Your videos helped me reconnect to this.. spark.. this childlike excitement about making something. I think that's inevitable when watching you do your thing.
Furthermore your bids are just plain entertaining. Love your channel and your humor. Keep doing your thing! Much love.
Thank you!
The little Baumgartner art restorator in me shivers every time Peter mentions polyurethane... :’D
Same here!
Lmfao that's what I keep thinking. The way Julian despises polyurethane
A mistake is still a work of art.
Anything almost right is wrong! (9th grade band teacher :-)
That's exactly why I love doing traditional art; embrace and accept your mistakes. Digital drawings feel too 'perfect' for me lol
The tool they use to patch the road is basically what you said, except its a pipe that the worker can hold. Pretty satisfying to watch
Peter, I've been having the same problem with my paintings and drawings. They sit half-finished in a way that I hadn't intended, and I spend weeks thinking about how to fix them. It makes me feel better knowing I'm not the only one having this same problem with my creative process. Stay strong, your painting and all of your work is beautiful. Thanks for sharing.
thanks for taking us on your journey peterdraws
This reminded me of what I think is the best art advice. Keep the material commitment low and don't waste time fixing what you don't like, there's nothing more important than finishing a project whether it's complete or not.
edit: it's important because you make more mistakes by doing more. therefore you learn quickly what not to do eg. the final coating on top of the paint marker; or smudge shading; or making a clay piece too thin for the kiln.
Golden also makes a Glazing Medium that will make your colors more transparent and without watering them down. .. . it's not ruined !
Cool painting! My roommate used to paint over his paintings till he got something he really liked, and all of the paint underneath made for a unique texture on all the paintings.
That’s quite the artist journey, thanks for bringing us with ya!
Already know this videos gonna be great! Thanks for doing what you do Peter!
Hey Peter, I work at an awesome, independently owned high-end art store called Endeavours and I've got some tips to help avoid this in the future. Acrylic paint is essentially plastic, so if you mix too much water in with your paint you will cause the binding elements in the acrylic medium to chunk up and separate the pigment from the medium. This causes the separated pigment to dry and become very flaky as without the acrylic medium binder it is simply raw pigment powder loosely clumped onto your painting. Heavy body acrylic paint is all about how thick you want to apply your paint, it doesn't have much to do with mixing with water. It is used when you want big textured peaks like an oil painting, or just a super thick layer of very luscious opaque paint. When you want to thin your acrylic paints to make them more transparent, you mix it with clear acrylic medium, this dilutes the amount of pigment with clear acrylic binder. Its very fun to use and becomes a bit gloopy. :)
Now, on to the mishap with your polyurethane coat. You can safely water down acrylic paints at a ratio of about 1-10 (1 part water for 10 parts acrylic), any more and you will get the pigment separation mishap I mentioned. It looked like you watered down your paints quite heavily. Once the painting was dry, all that water evaporated leaving behind very loosely stuck pigment. The water in your polyurethane clear coat picked up those pigments and spread them around, causing that discolouration.
Posca paint pens are also actually technically water-based paint (I swear these things are magic). When you want to brush a clear coat on top of them, you shouldn't use anything water based as it can (as you observed) reactivate certain pigments in them slightly (I've observed it to be worse with darker colours such as purple or wine).
You could avoid ALL of this however if you simply used a spray can of clear coat, it would not have picked up any of the pigments in either paint and simply sealed everything in place with a layer of clear acrylic medium. Don't spray it indoors though! unless you want your room to be shiny and stinky ;)
I hope this helps you or anyone who comes across this.
For the algorithm. I love you Peter and your work. I did something similar at a tiny scale, using the same colours and style. I've drawn it thanks to Peter, he made me believe in myself again. I owe you a lot. Deeply grateful to have found you a few years ago.
If you're not making mistakes here & there, you're not learning! Which means it wasn't a mistake at all, just a learning opportunity! 💞💞💞
It’s true!
Most wholesome content I've watched in a while. Keep at it dude
I can understand this pain, and you doing well! You such an optimistic nice person, I love you!
No mistakes, only (learned experiences) happy accidents!
True!
But I have no clue what happened to your canvas!
Hey Peter I think the painting looks ok It can be so difficult to gauge how much an acrylic paint starts to "come apart" when the addition of water and cold temperatures cause the medium and pigment start separating. I have had so many trials and tribulations when going back to a painting that I had set aside for a time. I am currently working on a canvas that the last time I worked on it was 30 years ago! I decided to re-coat the surface and sand the surface more than once! I want to be sure the paint sticks to the canvas for the long run! If ever finish it you can see it over on Instagram! I enjoyed watching you create this piece and I look forward to you creating again on this large scale!
Please be safe and take care.
Yeah, I get how you're feeling about this. It isn't anything like you originally intended. But, is that bad? Is it wrong? No, it has a life of its own as a piece of artwork, 'smudges' and all. Let it be itself.
And then, if you want, paint over it.
Just like having kids.
A lot of people forget you can just paint over your kids if they turn out to be disappointments.
I saw this on Instagram. Its one of my favorite things we've seen you create. I really love it.
Happens to me all the time. Just paint over it and start over again. I have a tons of canvasses that I'm not satisfied with and I just overpaint them. Works great. Also, I think it's fine to leave a painting for a while, allows your subconscience to think about it. Keep it up. Love the vids.
Those little things that went "wrong" with it are part of that piece's history. It's a snapshot of not only your mental process at the time but that exact moment on Earth. The way the cold affected the paint and everything adds to it. Who knows how many cold winters we have left, right?
I love that you're branching out!!!
Pretty sure cold was a factor in the smearing - the posca probably never cured properly because you used it outside in the cold and you also used water as an extender for the acrylic paint, and it probably froze. SO you have more moisture when you bring it in and it melts. Something definitely off there. Get some extender or gel medium instead of water for your paint as well. It will behave better.
I use water based poly, but I oftern roll it on with an ink brayer. I use acrylics, watercolors, ink, posca pens, graphite and guache and when stuff smears it is usually ink in my case. You gotta lose some work to find better work. I'd just keep painting on that till someone you like better comes out.
Yeah, I agree, it was a valuable loss in terms of what I learned from it
@@peter_draws but you still have the $100 board to start over. so not a total loss. Good Luck!
Oh I love it! I'd love to see something similar in green blue and gray 👌
They recently "patched" the cracks in our road and I couldn't believe how the patch lines rarely went on any of the actual cracks! Like, the cracks were making their own pattern while the patches were making a different pattern. I definitely agree with you that it is a case of the organic vs the man-made.
Just found this one! Thanks for showing your frustration and struggle. I needed that at the moment as I am a newbie. Your positive attitude was encouraging! I love it as it is. I think the effects on the Posca are cool. I hope you left it as is and hung it up!
Our roads, over here in the UK, are essentially fully comprised of those 'repair patches'... They reminds me of an accident prone kid, covered in plasters/bandaids...
You’ve inspired me to pick up my on-hold projects tomorrow :) & I really liked the blurred effect actually. It fit with the abstract lines and swirls. Either way, it’s a really pretty painting.
I would love to see you try one of those spray paint space pictures.
I've mastered that skill without any help, glad to see I'm not the only one.
I love fluid paintings, they are always mesmerizing to me (I never done one my self). The colors you used made me think of a sunset...or was it sunrise. At the start of your video i saw a face in the painting like a person with long flowing hair ( its probably just me lol).
What happened to you with the polyurethane, has happened to me T^T . My heart broke when I saw that. Definitely spray paint would be good to used next time. But i like to have a thick layer of protection so after I give my project a quick spray ( rust-oleum lacquer high luster coating) then I'll cover it with the polyurethane or liquitex acrylic mediums varnish
I've also recently been experimenting with acrylics on wood canvas. (It's also taken me about a year to get around to finishing my pieces too) I used gac-100 to seal the wood, then primed with gesso. I wanted to make sure the wood wouldn't warp in high humidity environments. And to seal it on top, I tried to do an isolation coat with painting medium, then a varnish. Definitely not cheap... and not sure if it's all "correct" but the learning experience was fun, and I feel good that everything should be sealed and ready to last a long time! 😁
Golden. From day one Peter...in the year of the debut of Golden Acrylics my paintings transpired with their product. You won't find another as advanced in acrylic technology.
Maybe the previous layers of polyurethane meant that the new paint was more likely to slide/smudge? Perhaps sanding it back might have helped, and you could definitely do that now to redo it. I love how brave & philosophical you are Peter, you truly are an inspiration 🤗 have yourself a great week. Love from England xXx
You know what it is Peter? It's a story. Its a story of the weather changes and of the months passing and of how sometimes things just dont work out the way we want. And painting over it is a way of turning something unsatisfactory into something else. Its a journey of life. ❤
Pretty sweet art; in many ways, this documentation of the art, is the art.
Aww mannnn. It was soo pretty. I've felt that way about cool paintings I've done before and it is just SO frustrating. But at least ya learned from it, that's the best thing you can do in that situation.
As always thank you for the video and congrats on tackling that massive wood canvas! Even if it didn't go to plan, which is admittedly kind of a bummer. Like the idea of painting over it though till you get something you truly do enjoy looking at
haven't watched a video in a while but im happy to have returned! congrats on sponsorship! i have to say i am the reverse in that i don't do great reading multiple books at once but i have like five knit/crochet/paint projects in progress
Nice job Peter!
I live in Michigan, I know all about patched roads! Lol
This piece is so beautiful, it looked like an agate rock.
ive had one of the canvases. And yeah, the water based polyurethane made it bleed as if you dropped water on your crayola marker art. Maybe if you want keep with the water based, try a test of different markers on a seperate board first, that way you dont blur hours of work. We would still watch. Great video idea. Testing which markers dont bleed with polyurethane.. I would for sure. But the heavy body paints are super thick compared to normal acrylic.. Its like elmers glue to caulk. It goes so much further. I love your work peter.. Keep up the amazing work as always! Cant wait for the next video! 💜🖤💜🖤
Get a bucket of GESSO and a roller and cover that thing up; start fresh! That's what the old painters used to do with their unwanted paintings (and others they'd find). In the future, whenever you're covering something with a clear coat, use the opposite type clear coat of the paint you're using. For acrylic paints like those (and the markers), you want to use actual polyurethane -or better, a spray-on enamel-based clear coat. Old-school poly yellows with time. I hope you're having a good 2021 so far Peter!
I also recommended to you (in another video) that you could dabble in epoxy. Some of the new "eco-poxy" will make a thick coat as clear as glass on top of your paintings. Older style fiberglass resin (not the fiberglass itself, just the resin) can be used too, but like poly, it yellows gently. The latter can give a neat sort of gentle sepia tone to your paintings. Also, you can use these resins/epoxies to mount your paper drawings to wood. I would _love_ to see some of your paintings mounted like that. I have photos of an older one I did I could send you for reference. Anyways, I'm rambling!
On the topic of heavy bodied paints, I believe that you were correct in what you said, Heavy body paints are thicker. It is about "viscosity."
I really appreciate your humor and most importantly the very authentic attitude in sharing your artistic process.
Thank You!
Interesting. I also do Abstract Art. I like to create a sense of entropy in my final paintings so I may have a slightly different approach. I would not be happy about smudging the image in a random way. I probably would have stopped... but thats just me.
Much Love
Best art channel out there
sometimes, you just gotta let the artwork have a mind of its own. spontaneity and improvisation is what I think life is all about after all
I love everything you do. You are an inspiration.
Story of my painting life kind a hoping the future brings better successes 👍🏼😞
I was going to give up painting, but this really makes me rewind to the times I was so frustrated with the acrylics then calm when they worked the way I wanted them to work. Nonetheless I loved my finished product.
You are one of the content creators i cant wait to watch a new video of.
Even a light coat of spray varnish and letting it fully cure before putting other varnishes over it can really help keep it from picking up pigment.
I know a lot of people aren't fans of compressed cans, like for spray paint because of the environmental impact, but a simple gravity fed air brush with a finish that would normally be brushed or sponged on would also probably do the trick. I've seen some fairly cheap air brushing sets that would probably do fine for varnishing if they were cleaned properly with the right solvent. [like under 80$] Because the point is to get something fully transparent on without streaks, so you don't have to worry if the spray isn't perfect etc... If you aren't using it for colour.
When something is sprayed on, even if it lifts colour, the worst it can generally do is diffuse it slightly.
Peter doesn't just "Draws." Peter Enlightens. Also, I hope Dan is having a good New Year!
A fun "technique" is to bury it. Literally. Dig it up after a bit and mother earth will have added something to help you along. Alternatively you could : leave it out in the rain/snow, throw some coffee/tea on it, burn it a little (super fun).....I could go on and on. Get nature in on it, I guess is what I'm saying. I am thankful to have come across your channel. I'm a years long dormant artist and some of these videos have stirred me from my slumber. Touché
Also, this look like an oil pattern, in water on the road with the tar sealed cracks through rose colored goggles and it’s phenomenal 👍🏻
If you’re really unhappy you could sand down the painting then start from scratch.
oh wow! wasn't expecting this to happen, I really admire your reaction to what happened, I would honestly get teary eyed my self, to put it lightly! but regardless I'm sure you will come up with something even more beautiful next time.
I think the smearing with the pens provides a nice contrast with the sections paint underneath. I understand that maybe it's a lack of control that you might not like it but the interaction between the paint pens an the polyurethane is really interesting. If you don't want that interaction I would maybe try a spray fixative or honestly not using a final coat of anything. Also something really fun to do is mixing fountain pen ink with acrylic paint! Noodlers black swan in Australia roses mixed with some golden titanium white is currently one of my favorite colors.
I thought this was a paint pour looking at the thumbnail! Beautiful!
ive always wanted to learn how to ruin a painting!!!! thanks, peter!
Hey peter, in the future, you can buy giant sheets of mdf and hardboard for like 7-25 dollars at the hardware store. You can just treat them by painting several layers of acrylic and sanding in between and then starting. Way more affordable if you plan to do multiple large pieces over time.
That's such a bummer that it smeared. Still so cool though. Can't wait to see you do it again! (Either overtop this painting, or completely anew!)
The way they do the tar squiggles is often with a big wand that squirts tar until it overflows and then there’s a disc on the end that they drag to smooth it out
i have been subscribed for over two years, and this has been the first video i was shown on my subscriptions page in months. TH-cam seems to be limiting what is shown to your audience? anyone else experience this?
I like your sign at the start and your art
It is great! Can't wait to see what comes next. Also, I haven't read the comments but I think it's better to use water base with water base. So if any of the layer need thinner to clean up then all the layers should? The temp changes for sure affected things too, kinda like masking tape, always remove at the same temp as when you put it on to avoid problems. ❤
Amazing art, as always. That was a great tune at the beginning.
Thanks, I want to try to make it into a full song
@@peter_draws Maybe you could debut it with another lawn-mowing music video.
Hah, well the lawn isn’t growing much at the moment, maybe there’s other chores I can do
@@peter_draws maybe snow shoveling...if you get any snow.
Very cool, like a topographic map!
I think the smudging effect makes it look pretty cool
Just a little tip to save some money! If you like to paint on hard surfaces like wood or MDF board I suggest checking out Home Depot or Lowes, etc.
You can get even larger (or smaller) pieces than what Peter used if you'd like. The only downside (for some) is that there won't be a frame...unless you do it yourself. I personally don't mind this, but I know some might. Either way, I think it's worth looking into if you want to save some money.
thank you for this very informational tutorial
You’re welcome
Tar lines on the roads always look cool😎
Hey Peter, sorry for your artistic loss. it sucks when that kind of thing happens. I've had similar issues with Poscas, but luckily only on smaller projects. I think sealing with spray could work, and I look forward to whatever happens next to this board.
Since the poly is down now, what about tinting the some of the unused poly and applying more coats, maybe applying more posca marker lines between the coats? Like utilizing the bleed somehow? Maybe the depth from the extra layers of poly can create some kind of ghost line effect? Like light trails? Line echoes?
I was confused for a while. Peter didn’t introduce himself and I kept internally screaming ‘WHO IS THIS IMPOSTER’.
I like that you mention your coffee situation sometimes not here but in other vids.
Yes! Adding dimension to your painting... level up.
Love the painting
Christopher Clarke comment, 5 hrs ago from this comment, is correct. The smudging problem cause is acrylic paint (Golden and Posca pens) applied at low temperature. When acrylics "dry" normally the water evaporates and the microscopic solid polymer particles in the paint bond themselves together in a massive waterproof layer of plastic - the magic of modern chemistry! But..... if the paint is too cold then the magic does not occur. The water evaporates and the particles just sit there without bonding together. Warm the "dry" paint up? Nope, its too late then. They still don't form bonds.
Hence lowest temperature warnings printed on many modern glues and paints ("dispersion adhesives"). Same applies to art acrylics but the art manufacturers don't bother to label with the necessary warning.
When I feel like this about a painting I rejoice! Paint over it! Also try kryon kamar varnish to finish your paintings. You can get it at walmart online for cheap. Sometimes it doesn't matter if the polyurethane is water based- its the application process with the brush that can mess up a finished painting. Spraying on a varnish is a better choice for this reason in my opinion.
Mistakes were made - I remember seeing that on the screen when playing Black Ops whenever I cooked a grenade too long 💥 😆
Full body acrylics are if you want do do the impasto techniques that are traditionally done with oil paint. They are hard to water down to be thin without breaking the acrylic bonds. I'd sand it down and start again, the second one will probably come out better.
Get yourself a can of that spray-on workable fixative, The charcoal artists use.. It also works good to lock down layers of ink and acrylic. Dries pretty fast, And it'll keep your stuff from smearing when you do the final clear coats.
Hi Peter, in my exerience, varnishing acrylic and pen paintings works best in two ways: either using water based acrylic spray paint or an oil based acrylic varnish with a brush. But the oil based things usually have a very strongb odor and can cause repiratory problems.
If you want to paint onto the layer of varnish again, using the acrylic spray paint is probably the better choice.
Also, acrylic tube colors tend to deteriorate at low temperatures.
Yeah, I think you’re right, thanks for the advice!