The Red Hand of Ulster - An Lámh Dhearg! - The Irish Legend that Became History
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- An Lámh Dhearg, the red hand of Ulster, is a famous symbol of Northern Ireland. And it’d be hard to find a more dramatic object to put on a flag.
But the roots of the Hand are tied to a mysterious origin story that may go back as far as pagan times in Ireland.
The icon itself is quite literally a red hand, palm facing the viewer, fingers pointed upwards. Usually it is a right hand, but in some variations a left hand is used.
As a documented heraldic emblem, the red hand first appears in the 13th century. However, historians don't really know the exact origin or reasoning for how the symbol of the hand came to be. In this video, Erik recounts the history and the exciting legend of how the Red Hand of Ulster came to be.
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Fun side bar: Owen Roe was a war chief of the O’Neill clan. There is an Oregon winery named Owen Roe with a tasty red blend named Sinister Hand. The label of Sinister stand features a drawing of a gauntleted left hand with drops of blood dripping from it.
I've noticed this sort of thing in the USA when I was there for a few months. As a Gaelic Irishman it's actually a very nice thing to see those homages to our ancient culture such as you described. Irish Americans often get a hard appraisal from their cousin's in Ireland but I've always felt it fascinating how the Irish Gaelic identity in many modified forms is so strongly represented across the Atlantic. We say in Ireland we are a European country that never had an empire, although St Patrick's Day in Boston made me reconsider that saying.
Owen is definitely a family name to Ui Neil's there related to the House of Gwynedd
Internet Archive has a full length biography of Eoghain Ruadh, free to read or download in a variety of formats including PDF.
Antrim County, Michigan might make you think you were watching the Sun rise over the Irish Sea instead of Lake Huron.
Hi John I am Chief of the Ancient Clan O'Neill Worldwide . And we were the Ancient Clan O'Neill of Tyrone
It's a famous symbol from Ireland rather than the modern region of Northern Ireland.
It's also the symbol of the 'Irish Transport and General Workers' Union' formed in 1909.
The Book of Leinster (compiled in the 12th Century) contains one of the earliest written references to the Red Hand in the legendary Lugaid Lámderg (Red Hand) of the Dál gCais who ruled the southern half of Ireland.
As an O'Neill, I love this story... I've heard slightly different versions but love them all
What I have problems understanding is whether the ONeill were with the English or against the English ... the Red hand symbol on our crest confuses me based on the history
Welcome! I, too, am an O’Neil- all of my grandfathers and great grandfathers going back at least 250 years now have been named some variation of “Hugh O’Neil”; my middle name is Hugh, just like my father and also my son, and now my grandson, as well..
Fáilte!
@brendaoneill1581 Most definitely against,the myth itself had symbolism,it was turned facing upward after the defeat,as asposed to facing down,taking away the claim of ownership of Neil.Some of our kin fled South or to Portugal,others bent the knee.There is a little known myth far beyond the matters of men.But everyone will have to find it for themselves.Never kneel!
@@brendaoneill1581 both, and depends how far you go back in history. At one time for sure they seen themselves as British peoples trading, living and traveling between Ireland and Britain was the norm. Even fighting with Britons from GB against the Gaels (and losing). Thereafter the tables seem to turn, having been defeated they had no other choice but to follow the new Gael command and overtime that put them in conflict with Britons particularly from Scotland.
Taig!
As an O'Neill I have been seeking my Irish roots, and find this to be awesome. Makes me wonder who my ancestors are from both sides of my parents if this is just half of my father's.
Go to FTDNA and get a Big Y then.
In ancient tradition the high-king couldn't have any blemish. The (mythical?) high-king Nuadu was forced to step down after having his hand severed by Sreng of the Fir Bolg
You are right
Until he had a silver arm built which can be seen on the Connacht banner and coat of arms.
Good story and I've heard this myth before. Properly put in context in the closing summary in that it probably originated in the 17th century, when Gaelic Ireland was being effectively supplanted. One more bit of evidence to question it is that Irish kings were disqualified if they were physically disabled or diminished... thus blinding was a very effective manner of eliminating rivals for clan leadership.
Is breá linn laoch stairiúil áfach!
So, he was declared the "hands down winner"....? Or, was it simply "hand".....?
Whether the story is true or not, it is still a great tale, and great tales are still being told to this day.
Read the book about Jeremiah and the Stone of Scone. And it leads back to the story of King Judah in Genesis about him having twins through his daughter in Tamia. When she was giving birth Zerah stuck his hand out. The midwife tide a red string around his hand and the Perez came out fully first but Zerah was considered the first born. It represents that the High Kings of Ulster descendants of the Kingly lineage of King Judah of Jerusalem, Israel.
God bless ulster from loyalist scotland
Genesis 38:(27) And it came to pass in the time of her travail, that, behold, twins were in her womb.
(28) And it came to pass, when she travailed, that the one put out his hand: and the midwife took and bound upon his hand a scarlet thread, saying, This came out first.
(29) And it came to pass, as he drew back his hand, that, behold, his brother came out: and she said, How hast thou broken forth? this breach be upon thee: therefore his name was called Pharez.
(30) And afterward came out his brother, that had the scarlet thread upon his hand: and his name was called Zarah.
Pharez was the ancestor of Christ. The Red Hand is a claim that Zarah is the ancestor of the Ulster Scots.
Genesis 38:27-30 is the origin of the Red Hand, and is more believable than cutting your own hand off.
The legends say that the prophet Jeremiah brought Scotia to Ireland from Egypt, as one of the kings daughters of Israel (Jer 43:6), to preserve the unbroken dynasty of Judah (Genesis 49:10).
The Declaration of Arbroath, signed by all of the Scottish Nobles, declares that Scots came from the Black Sea, by way of Spain, 1200 years after the Israelites crossed the Red Sea.
John Hurt
There is a piobaireachd called The Red Hand in the MacDonald's Arms, as I was told when I learned this tune, the legend as you explained it, was the boat race. The tune is actually very gripping once you know the story as you told it. The first three variations are introductions to the 3 favored winners of the race. The next variations (6 total) are played up beat & tempo, that's the race itself. Then, a change occurs, the tune turns into a mourning and tour of perplexity as it enters into the Tarluath & Tarluath Doubling, into the Crenluath & Cren-Amach. Which is the sad contemplation of what this great warrior was willing to do to claim the right. I play this tune on the pipes and have a recording on You-Tube (somewhere).
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The red hand is of Zarah Judah. This isnt new.
He won EEEEEWWWWWW
Monty Python scit
all over this.
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In the Coat Of Arms is that DAMN RED HAND 🤢🤮🤣
White shield with red shield back ground. Two red lions, one ether side with a saying on the bottom.
If in a boat race for land, bring a medical team with you.
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Interesting and great to see an interest in this little part of the world however, the red hand insignia is an ancient Cruthin symbol, Cruthin referring to the indigenous/native peoples of what is now Ireland. (Cruthin basically translates to painted people in Gaelic). The insignia is mentioned in the ancient annals and is associated with the Uladh (Ulstermen) who historically defended Ulster from the Spanish Gaels (modern Irish), those same Gaels whom the O'Neils trace their lineage. The O'Neill's later usurped the insignia, much like the land, and rewrote history to suppress the Cruthin culture.
I am tired at the amount of times I have had to correct people over the years. The word Cruthin does NOT NOT NOT mean painted people. It means the wheat growers/people. Not so sexy...but that is the truth. The word in modern Irish and also Scots Gaelic is Cruithean.....and P Celtic/Welsh version is Pretani. Do you recognised the word Pretani?
@deanmcdowell. What an amazing piece of pseudo history. You should be lecturing in the top universities of the world. You know more about the pre (recorded) history of Ireland than all the accredited academics, historians, linguists and archaeologists put together.
Its different from the story of what we were taught in school or handed ✋ down through the generations it was actually a race of two brothers and the victory was of the red hand.
It was their father the initially started the race between the two brothers by saying the one who lays his hand on the ground first will be the victor.
The O'Neil or Neil of the Nine Hostages whom was King of Ulster is the one who brought Saint Patrick to Ireland and enslaved him.
Its also known that Saint Patricks sister married O'Neil son and bore a family together.
Lived here in Donegal within the Inishowen thereafter.
One possible connection I have recently come to hear is that the red hand come from the line of the tribe of Judah. The red hand was used by Zarah. Also along with this story is the connection with Tephi, queen of Tara and Gibraltar.
(daughter of king Zedekiah of Jerusalem,
from the line of king David who slew Goliath). Some also believe that the Celts could be part of the lost tribes of Israel, who were not lost but forgot over the centuries who they were. This story also explains how Jacob’s pillow also known as the Stone of Scone arrived in Ireland and was later taken to Scotland.
Yeah, but it has a lot of holes in it, and really nothing to support it.
Hilarious.
Mmmm, nope.
@@johnoneal1234 Still a lot to learn and uncover.
lol
Think “Red Hugh O’Neil” and the Red Hand of Ulster
A king cannot be maimed. He must embody the Divinity in his being - and that includes his body. See the story of Nuada the sliver handed.
There was no Northern Ireland at that time. It was Ireland. Please get this right. 🙏 also there is No official flag of Northern Ireland. Ireland has 4 provincial flags. Ulster has 9 counties in total, and 6 of them are represented by the unofficial flag of Northern Ireland. Also, your pronunciation of Nial is incorrect.
100% bang on. May as well continue with his education and inform him that the most northern part of the island and Ulster is in Donegal.
Malin Head.
Ulster existed before Ireland, Ireland was 2 islands similar to New Zealand. Read Ingenious Ireland.
And also it wasn't the O'Neill's it was the macneil's the sons of Nial......
Near the source of the Spey there is a hill fort called Dun na Lamh. Pictish or Gael and another Fort discovered recently on the opposite side of the river. Some maps have Fort of the Two Hands.
Wha kens. 😊
Niall was a descendant of the royal line of Judah.the high kings.
Have you heard of the Red Branch?
Great video! I’ve always liked to think that there might be some loose/old association with the Norse god Tyr losing a hand to the wolf, Fenrir.
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No relationship. Irish/Celtic history/folklore is far superior to Norse.
If he had actually completely severed his hand on a boat--HOW WAS THE BLEEDING FROM THE SPROUTING ARTERIES STOPPED BEFORE HE BLEED TO DEATH? There is a very good reason suicides are often the result of severed arteries!
Cover with cloth, and then burn the stump? I'm guessing the finish line is near a settlement. What would people even do today in that situation?
Hey the red hand is on my family crest with a fish and dragon Neeley family
I've never heard this story before, thank you for telling it, it reminds me of Nuada. Interesting parallel, while he lost his kingship because of the loss of his hand sacrifice, O'Neill gain one.
Great story and you're right, the red hand insignia does indeed date back to the pagan kings of Ulster but it certainly hasn't, or at least historically, hadn't anything to do with the O'Neills who are in fact Gaelic and originate from the Iberian Peninsula, modern day Spain. The hand is mentioned in several ancient manuscripts and always in relation to the Cruthin. These native people shared an ancient kinship with Scotland and when medieval writers referred to the Cruthin, it is clear they considered them to inhabit both Ireland and Scotland. The Annals of Tigernach, the Pictish Chronicle, St Berchan, the Albanic Duan, the Book of Deer and John of Fordun plainly show that the name Cruthin was applied to the inhabitants of both Scotland and Ulster. Outside of the annals, the earliest mention of the Red Hand is an early-15th-century poem by Mael Ó hÚigínn named Lámh dhearg Éireann í Eachach, the first line of which is a variation of the title: "Lamh dhearg Éiriond Ibh Eathoch" translated as "The Úí Eachach are the 'Red Hand' of Ireland". The Uí Eachach were one of the Cruthin tribes known as the Dál nAraidi after the 6th century that made up the ancient kingdom of Uladh.
There is no archaeological or anthropological evidence for the cruithin myth. This was created by British Planters who originated from Wales, England, and the West of Scotland during the plantation. The symbol is Gaelic Irish.
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The so called planters were mostly from the Galloway region.
Galloway was Gaelic speaking from the 5th century AD.
The Red Hand was the symbol of the Anglo Norman Earls of Ulster.
After the collapse of the Anglo Norman Kingdom of Ulster , the O'Neills moved into East Ulster, they then appropriated the Red Hand as their own .
The O'Neills have no history in East Ulster before the 14th century.
The old families of East Ulster mostly trace their ancestry to Scotland.
MacGuiness is an Ulster surname of Pictish origin, as are the MacCartans, Rooney's ect.
The Cruthin are well attested to in the historical records.
Eoin MacNiell the Irish Nationalist historian claimed that Ireland was in the distant past Pictish.
This claim has been challenged by modern research.
One thing that is certain, is that Ulster was predominantly Pictish before the arrival of the Gaelic language.
@@MV12379 Impossible to know the language spoken before the arrival of Gaelic in Ireland - given we don't have attestation of any Pictish identity/firm understanding of the language in Scotland, we certainly can't say they were speaking it in Ulster/other parts of Ireland. Also very unreliable to use exonyms to identify shared groups of people: in this case an Irish source using the same name for a group in central Ulster and northern Scotland. Sadly very limited room for discussion on this - any academic credibility it has is tarnished by people using it for political purposes!
@macmort. Nice bit of politically inspired pseudo history there. Anybody who starts giving chapter and verse on pre (recorded) history, you don’t just take it with a pinch of salt, you run a mile.
I had heard of another alternative origin story for the Red Hand that involved breach birth during which a Red Hand emerged, to be tied then to a cord, subsequently used to affect the birth of the child, who became the founder of a great bloodline. To this end, the Red Hand should be rightly displayed surrounded by a cord lariat. I received this story in traditional Celtic fashion, orally at a Celtic Festival, 30 years ago. Sketchy, I know. Apparently there was some additional connection to the use of the Star of David in Irish symbolism. Has anyone heard of this alternative story?
The Royal Twins of Judah
The red hand symbolises the blood red hand of Zerah.
Yes, it's the Biblical story of Judah's Twins. The cord was used to identify which twin emerged first, and thus the heir.
Someone flipped it into the Red Hand narrative, but it doesn't belong, there was no twin to identify.
Exactly.
@@johnoneal1234 Thanks for this clarification. There you have it then... it doesn't belong. That conflating "someone" may have been the man who told me the story. .I regard all references linking Eire to the Levant or Mediterranean to be suspect at best, save for speculations about Atlantic commerce with the Phoenicians..
@@Tipi_Dan The Phoenecians, some of whom who of the Tribe of Dan of the House of Isreal, who travelled further than many knew, leaving some dozin or so boars in the new promised land where they sourced their copper from the only known source of Bronze Age copper--upper Michigan on Lake Superior. People got around in those days. It is thought that there is a strong possibility that the many stone henge-type earthworks on the continants bordering the Atlantic may not be about religion after all, but about the peoples in those areas using them to judge when it was safe to travel the Atlantic. It is thought that Mulek (there are other spellings of this title, meaning "king" or "prince"), the son of Zedekiah travelled to Ireland then on to the area near the Michigan copper mines, and that the prophet Jeremiah may have accompanied him as far as Ireland--this is only a possibility as far as us known. They weren't discovered by others in the area around the Great lakes for some time, but when meeting up by chance, he identified himself as the son of King Zedekiah. It sounds like Ireland was a land if refuge like the new promised land was, which in my belief, is the heartland of the USA, and for good reasons too detailed to go into here. They could have travelled much farther west from there, too. They spread quite far out. The red hand myth told here is one thing, but the story of the twins of Judah with the red string seems typical of the thinking of royals and rights, so I'm inclined to guess it might have started there, who knows. Just saying, people travel, and stories travel, and some history parts stick with truth, and others get swept into hiding, lost, embellished, romanticized, turning myth ir legend, when certain elements originated in true history. Here in the US, the Smithsonian has swept a dozen phoenecian ships, and skeletons of giants under the rug.
Using the term "Northern" Ireland.....the named region didn't exist until 1921!! And the "Northern" Ireland flag became obsolete and defunct in the early 1970's.....i.e no such thing anymore. The symbol is Irish Gaelic.
I'm Ulster born and bred, my surname was a Danish viking name. great video thank you
What is your surname?
@@cooldaddy2877 CLINT
You completely left out the Scarlett thread and the hand of Zarah, Judah's SON ... Who's line eventually produced Eochaid Heremmon son of Milesius and who married Queen Tea Tephi daughter of Zedekiah of the line of Pharez.
Except Tea Tephu is not Hebrew, but us claimed to be an Irish Royal title, which is uncertain but it definitely is not Hebrew and that's not the only part of the story that doesn't add up.
@@johnoneal1234Obviously need to do a little more research on who's who and who's
Yes. And they were whyte like the the israelites in ancient israel mosaics
@@NacerDeArriba Crayon colors ... LOL ... the scriptures and the anthropological primary sources say otherwise ....
@@KurimeoAhau ancient dna is whyte.
The true fable, two kings of ireland. Cane to an agreement , the first to touch shore would be king of all ireland, O'Neil cut his hand off and threw it on the shore, the left red hand is our fanily crest , the other person on the boat, O'Neil cheated us,
Yah I don't buy this as Chieftans were taken out of office if they had a physical defect as they couldn't be king anymore.
I was thinking the same
You beat me to it! Yes, this was mentioned a good number of times in Old Irish literature. Any deformity -- even that caused by the caustic nature of a poet's satire -- would cast a King from the throne. It sounds less like a reference to Norse Tyr and more like an echo of Nuadu Airgetlam ("Nuadu of the Silver Hand", who lost his hand in a battle and it was replaced with an ingenious prosthetic).
Thr Right Red Hand is referenced in Peaky Blinders a lot as well
Im an O'Neill. We have this on our crest. I had heard the boat race story and another that one of the high kings (an O'Neill) would send his mercenaries to collect the hand of his enemies as proof ofntheir death.
you have an excellent story telling voice! you should read audiobooks
This is great I am a flaherty and also a Devine we have the red hand and Egyptian boat one of our crests I also believe our bloodline goes back to Japheth in the bible ✌🏼
You also left out the part where osullivan held out his right hand and said (our family moto) the hand of friendship remains firm☘️❤️🔥
Irregardless, true or not, what a great story. And you’re a great storyteller!
If I studied the history of, say Spain for example, and got the pronunciations wrong....I would be laughed at. Therefore.....
Thank you I absolutely loved that. I am a modern Druid. No we're not connected to the Drued's of old. It's a modern movement. Very environmental. But I love hearing legends of druids of old aunt know that there were Druid's in Scotland.
Modern Druid? Hahahahahaha.
Excellent presentation. Beautifully produced and narrated. And, thank you for the book recommendations.
Also Phebe Hand who was mother of cornelius Vanderbilt.Phebe is distant cousin of me.I have done lineage.Heres what article says.The Hands of today have won fame in many lines of endeavor,but the most colorful of all the Hands was Phebe Hand.who married into the then poor and rundown vanderbilt family of staten island,for it was Phebe Hand who spurred her son,Cornelius,on making millions.The Vanderbilts never had a coat of arms,why they have not assumed arms of Phebe Hand is something of a mystery,certainly they are entitled to bear the arms of their most distinguished ancesters.
Im just here because my 23 and me DNA results haplogroup R-M269 traces me back to Uí Néill Dynasty, and I want to learn more. What's even more interesting is that I am hispanic 😅. Im just tracing back those Spanish and Irish roots?
The red hand is the tribe of Zarah of Judah who is conquering the world as the Scarlet Beast.
The story of the scarlet thread hand is in the Bible as Judah's 5th born son who's sons are the ancestors of every U.S. President, Netanyahu and all the Kings of Europe, the UK and almost all nations except Gog and Magog which is basically the entire continent of Asia.
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Northern Ireland..... Seriously 😱 a political state constructed by the English and it's Loyalists irish Allies just over 100 year's ago... If you want to talk geographics... His hand landed in the north East of Ireland
Grow up pal 🤦♂️
Lam Dearg Abu ! Ancient Clan O'Neill World wide
Have you joined the Association of O'Neill Clans?.
If not,just search it, and register for full access to the site, no charge, lots of, history.
And it's also important to join the DNA group, the more DNA to compare against known paper genealogy, the closer we get to having everyone connected with their proper branch and eventually detailed line of descent.
So far, I am a Clanaboy, likely a direct descendant of Murtagh Dulenach but more paper genealogy and more DNA is needed to nail it down.
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Sounds fun
My father's mother's name was O'neill
I can tell U the truth of the Red Hand of Ulster it goes back the Zara the son of Judah who at birth stuck his blood covered hand out first but pulled it back in but the midwife tied a Red thread around it & "said this Breach be up on U " ZARA later did not go down in2 Egypt with the tribe of Jacob but went on 2 found the city of Troy then later fled 2 Ireland at its fall all this story can B found in the Bible & ancient history
The Red hand was long before the split of Ireland, o' Neill was not from what you say Northern Ireland but it was Ireland at this time.
What a great story!!!!!! I wished I were an O'Neill!!
When myth & legend go hand in hand.
The North Sea, is that an ancient name for what is now called the Irish sea? The sea between the east coast of Great Britain and Scandinavia is Called the North Sea. It is where the ancient land of Dogger land was, that joined the British Isles to Europe and Scandinavia back in prehistoric times.
The North Channel between East Northern Ireland and West Scotland used to be called The North Sea back in the day. They renamed it the North Channel when they realised there was a bigger North Sea
It's unlikely Ireland had a land-bridge to Britain as the Irish Sea is too deep to drop that far down even during the Ice Age. It's only Britain that was part of Europe via Doggerland.
@@ULYSSES-31 Ireland and Britain were connected by an icebridge before 14,000 bc. But yes there was never a land bridge
Yes There is or was, its called the giants causeway and on the other side in scotlands is called something else they both made by the same exact type of rock and formations they both tourist spots to!!...its a folklore legend it goes like there was a ancient giant from the Irish isles fighting a ancient giant from the British/scots isles and they was trying to chuck boulders at each other across the sea, and where those boulders landed created the giants causeway..which can be contentious with rebulicans, as the story could be used in two ways and help or hinder in propaganda, its probably why they dont go down that rabbit hole and keep it obscure in using it as such...
@@wor53lg50 There is an island called Staffa with a feature called Fingal's Cave (Fionn mac Cumhaill in Irish) with a similar basalt feature as the Giant's causeway but they have never been connected. Look on a map of their locations and you'll see why.
Awesome story!
The Red Hand was first recorded on the flag of the Earl of Ulster who was Anglo Norman.
the Red Hand is part of my family crest :)
Mine too
Dunleavy was the Ulster Royal line before O'Neill.
It's part of the heraldry of all Baronets, too.
Its part of my wifes also i always thought it meant what province you were from Ulster Munster so on
Part of my family Crest also, as the O'Quinlans descend from one of Niall's sons, Leary at HILL OF TARA, COUNTY MEATH IRELAND
My grandma hails from the O’Neal clan. Are we the same as the O’Neills?
very captivating and such a unique symbol
There is a very cute little horse barn near where I live with a sign on it that says Red Hand Stable and there is a red hand in 3-D on it. I painted a picture of it, but did not clearly write that name on it since it looked kind of...bloody. I was telling a 94 year old man about it and he told me the story of the red hand! However he said it was two Viking ships heading for some land, but the rest he has accurately. How interesting!
The story cutting off the hand ,is similair to that of the Scottish MacLeod of MacLeod Clan
well done, and Thank You for doing it.
As someone from Northern Ireland I always tell people about this myth an they all love it!
The red hand of ulster is actually biblical the red hand of zarah
I heard a similar story from my grandfather (McNeils of Barra). I'll try to keep this short but it was set sometime in the 700s? The Norse were doing their annual sacking route across the Scottish isles and there was a great sea battle. One warrior, Orm was engaged in combat on one of the ships and had his leg hacked off at the knee, he lunged at the Scot and crushed his back with a bear-hug and was bandaged up, the day was won. The sea king told his men, "The first man to set foot on the shore of the mainland will become lord of it" (I don't know if there were lords, caretaker? I don't know). The men raced ashore, but Orm was clever and threw his dismembered leg far ahead of the other man and it landed on the shore, so he was awarded the title. He stayed and settled the town of Ormskirk and built their first church.
The red leg of Ulster doesn't have the same ring to it. 😂
As a first timer hearing both stories, un-stained by the pull of familiarity and tradition, I hate to say, but the leg story is the one I pick. There are good sacrifices, and not so good of sacrifices, and in the leg story, he was downright resourceful. In the hand story, it came off to me as power-hungry to an ill extent...sorry to tamper with tradition, but hey. You gotta look at motives.
Heremon used a battle axe cutting his left hand off to throw.
You lost me at calling O'Neils battle as being for Northern Ireland.... This name 😂 😂 😂 is an English loyalists title only 100 year's old... Oniell was fighting for Ireland... Don't sop to English troupes please
O-Neills have no claim to the North unless we're talking about a medieval colonisation. They were never part of the Ulaidh i.e. Ulster (The tribal confederacy from which the red hand or Craeob Ruadh originates )
Ah yes, the real world House Glover.
What do you know of the Mulholland Clan?? and are there any recourses you know of to learn more about them? Thanks.
They worked for Clan O'Neill and DNA testing shows many of them are descendants of the Chiefly line of O'Neill.
Big Conn O'Neil, the chieftain of County Down at the turn of the 15/16th century as Elizabeth was busy subjugating Ireland, was captured and was being held in the prison at Carrickfergus. When James VI of Scotland ascended to the throne of England in 1603 as James I, he wanted to make Northern Ireland (Ulster) less Irish, and declared that the lands thereof would be given to Scots and English, who had to agree to build manor houses, and subdue and replace the Irish locals. Hugh Montgomery of Ayrshire helped O'Neil escape, in promise of receiving half of O'Neil's land.
Meanwhile, others in London had discovered the plan, and sought legal title to the same lands from James. When he granted same, the whole area was divided and subdivided, with Montgomery being essentially frozen out of his share by the London plotters. Confusing as it may be, the result was that over the next few years Ulster became Scottish in nature, as the locals were driven out. (See Native Americans, Treaties With) for similar situations.
Are you Celtic? Separatist? Related Pilgrim's?
It was James I, VI of Scotland. Charles was not on the throne.
@@johnoneal1234 You are absolutely correct. I keep getting my Jims and Chucks mixed up - namewise. I have since corrected the error. Thak you.
Red hand to victory. 🇬🇧
IE Irish symbol
Heremon cut his left hand off with his battle axe and threw it onto the beach.
I'M FROM ULADH, IF YOU KNOW YOU KNOW, ERIN ABU
...... And that's how the stop sign was created
The O'Reilly clan has that on their flag
Of course they do its an irish symbol not just ulster and certainly not just the 6 counties
It is part of the crest of the Cavan GAA. Their county jerseys always includes the Red Hand.
O'Neill took part in a boat race?....but there was no such surname at that time....in fact there were NO SURNAMES. I love when Americans try and tell Irish stuff to the world....just makes our job all the more difficult.
What's your version of the myth?
@@ian-flanagan That version is as good as any other. It's just that there were no surnames then.
The Clan crest of Clan Lamont (my Clan) has the right hand, similar to the Red Hand of Ulster, though not red. A family legend accounts for this by saying that Clan Lamont of Scotland was originally founded by people from Ulster in Ireland but there is no documented proof.
Are you Celtic? Angle Saxon ? Separatist?
@@gigigiseleworld My father's family is from County Kildare, Ireland and my mother's family is from Dunoon, Scotland.
@@richardwhite3924 Hello... I'm trying to determine about the group called Celtic... Would they have been apart of the Pilgrims 🦃 that filed Great Britian in the 1600's? Afterwards because of religious... Persecution it's been said. Ulster protestant ... ?
@@gigigiseleworld There are basically 4 groups of Celts, all of which date back to the early tribes that lived in those areas - the Irish, the Scots, the Welsh and the Galicians of Northern Spain. They all can trace their linage back before the birth of Christ (before 1 AD).
@@richardwhite3924 Are any of the Southern Caucasians who live here in the USA that have Family ties in United Kingdom.. date's back to the Founders of America 🇺🇲... Celtics... Protestant's..
Red hand of Zerah ( Judah ) - biblical lost tribes settled in Ireland
Right us Europeans are the real Israelites but blacks and Khazars are stealing our identity.
It will be interesting.Its embraced by both sides of the political and religious divide divide in Northern ireland for different reasons
Very true despite being one of the oldest Gaelic symbols it is first a symbol of Ulster
Very good show.
@@jessemills3845 It was very well done indeed
@@poundlandbandit6124 Are you Celtic ? Separatist? Breton ?
This is the same story my dad told me, that his mother told him. My grandmother was a Gillen and her mother or grandmother was an O’Neil. All the stories we have were passed down by word of mouth. Before my dad died he was doing research on our family history of the O’Neil. I’ve done some digging too, but I am drawn more towards the folklore and mythical side of things. Such as the O’Neil having our own named banshee. (Who also burned down Shane’s Castle out of anger)
Its hard to know whether those stories are true or not,but it can't be denied that it has become a potent symbol of defiance in ireland not just the north for example the irish citizen army used it in 1916 and both unionist and nationalist use it today.Basically these are our beliefs and we are prepared to cut off our hand for them whether its just for ulster ,unionism ,irish republicanism and socialism whatever those beliefs are the red hand is a very useful symbolic tool which can be used by any and every ideology.
And the UVF YCV UDA UFF etc .
@@youwantshumshun.2867 Tyrone GAA
Proud ONeill!
Let's all remember Ireland was only ever truly united under British rule
As a Ulster Scot. I call Bull
@krishurlburt7375 what's bull look at the facts. Also did you know the so called Irish concentrated in South West Ireland with swarthy skin and black hair are from Basque descent. Facts are so wonderful not like Irish myths
@@iandonaldson6729 bull
@@krishurlburt7375 do your homework
@@iandonaldson6729 My degree in middle age western European history doesn't count as homework?
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Interesting
You are really gonna copy a MacDonald legend.... We were around 4,000 years before you.
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Whatever it was for me it just reminds me of orange men. Cant shake it out of my head ..
2.10 ‘According to Legend the rulership of NI was in question’ FFS!! only confusing 2,000 years of history there, as NI never existed until 100 years ago 🙄
If you expect everyone on the planet to even know what Ulster means, you expect too much.
The author was right to presume anyone who cares already knows that.
It's not news to Irish people, but likely it is new to a lot of people on You Tube from all over the world.
Debuts March 4th!?! I hope you don't forget that you posted this that soon!
Clan MacNeil of Barra is a direct descendant of Clan O'Neill. And the red hand used to be on our family's crest.
Except DNA says it isn't true. DNA shows them to be Vikings.
The present chief sure doesn't look like an O'Neill, but the little fellow doesn't look much like a Viking, either.
His half oriental son even less.
@@johnoneal1234 well sorry to burst your bubble but the macneils were sons and the O'Neill's where grandsons.........
Nonsense. It's a fake story, McNeil is totally separate ,no relation at all.
I'm a straight shot from all the high kings/tara
this story is damn cool
I must insist with my red fist
So do you think the right hand is still used today ? As a wave to others 😉🥴
It's heavily used all over Ulster.
The red hand had nothing to do with the Ui Neill clan, as the Ui Neill did not originate in Ulaidh. The red hand solely belonged to the Craeob Ruadh or the population group within the ancient Ulaidh that provided many kings of Ulster at Emain Macha. Craeob Ruadh means red branch and just as a brach extends out from a tree proving shade and cover, the Craeob Ruadh branch of warriors were the extending red arm that protected their ancient territory. Great video though
ur knowledge is amazing
It’s not knowledge, it’s nothing more than speculation and conjecture, pseudo history in other words, gleaned from myths and legends from pre history. On the other hand, we do know from recorded history that the red hand was the symbol of the O’Neills.
No one knows from where and when the Red Hand/Red Branch truly originates. The earliest written reference is the name Lúgaid Lamderg (Red Hand) in the Book of Leinster compiled in the 12th Century. A legendary king who ruled the southern half of Ireland in the 5th Century.
Lugaid Lamderg rodas lá
for Illaind mac Fergusa.
I Sléib Uillend imbid glend
ro bíth Furbaide Fer Bend
Lugaid Riab nDerg rod bí and.
i ndigail Cruachna Clothrand.
@@ULYSSES-31 Actually we do know where it originates. It is a symbol of the Ulaidh, otherwise known as Ulster (Not the Ui Neill) It was a symbolic representation of the Ulaid's warrior aristocracy the Craeon Ruadh (Red Branch) There was even a debate by bards which settled on the idea it belongs to those of Ulster.
Diarmaid Mac an Bhaird, one of the last fully trained Irish bardic poets, denies the claim of the O'Neills to the Red Hand, arguing that it rightly belongs to the Magennises, who should be allowed to keep it.He supports his statement citing several medieval texts attributing it to Conall Cernach, the legendary ancestor of the Uí Eachach Cobo
@@AncientArchaeology369
The earliest written reference is the name Lúgaid Lamderg (Red Hand) in the Book of Leinster compiled in the 12th Century. A legendary king who ruled the southern half of Ireland in the 5th Century.
That reference pre-dates all other later texts, and despite this, it is still speculative as to where the Red Hand came from as these text were written centuries after the events depicted.
would love to hear why you think the Red Hand originates in Tyrone? I have to say you are both correct, while the Cruithne inhabited the territories of Antrim and Down, or Dal Araidh, and Echach Cobha, intermarrying of Conall Cernach in the early pre historic peroid fused the bloodline of the Clanna Rudraige or the Ulaidh with the Cruithne.
Why is the Clanna Rudraige important? The Clanna Rudraige are known as the Craeob Ruadh, Craeob means Branch or Hand, while Ruadh means Red, thus we have the order of the red hand. A tribal dynasty solely active in ancient Ulaidh, which once stretched to the Boyne valley.
After the Ulaidh Cruithne confederacy made up of a Erainn and Cruithne peoples, not Goidils or Gaels, were defeated in the 2nd century, they were forced to retreat beyond the bounds of the Bann rivers, remaining an independent kingdom in Antrim, Down, Louth, East Armagh and part of Coleraine. The Dal Araidh became the Royal Rudrician line after the abandonment of Emain Macha, thus they do have some right to claim the red hand.
The Ui Neill have no right to claim the red hand as they were not of the Ulaid, thus not of the Craeob Ruadh, or the red hand sect which provided all of Ulsters ancient kings, as well as kings of Tara right until the 7th century, as we see with Congal Cáech, king of the Cruithne, the Ulaid and Tara in 637.
What you have presented in that post is basically speculation, mixed with a bit of mythology, also I’d say, quite heavily influenced by a political agenda. What you have presented is actually pseudo history. You have no more idea what actually happened in 2nd century Ireland, than I have.
If nothing else, we have the Right of Conquest.
To the winner go the spoils...
@@johnoneal1234 Now you’re talking. Much more rational than making up history.
The legendary Lugaid Lámderg (Red Hand) ruled Dáil Gais in the southern half of Ireland so the Red Hand is not even exclusively an Ulster legend.
@@davidpryle3935 The ghost of Ian Adamson still projects his politics on to the remote past where it doesn't belong.
Hi there,so maybe someone could figure out where our Hand coats of arms came from.This is what we know.The “Hand” Coat of Arms and Crest was awarded to John Hand, born of Stanstead, County of Kent, England and one of nine original patentees of East Hampton, Long Island in 1648. The Coat of Arms is described as argent with a chevron azure between three (3) gules dexter hands. The Crest is described as a stag trippant. Additional information can be found in the “Matthews American Armoury and Blue Book” published by Heraldic Publishing Co. Inc., NY, 1965.
In the book Gen. of New Jersey it states: According to the records of Southampton, Long Island, the Hand family came originally from Stanstede, county Kent, England, and according to Judge Alfred Hand, of Scranton, Pennsylvania, their arms are:Argent, a chevron azure between three hands gules. Crest: On a wreath argent and a gules a buck trippant.
Quote from the "Hand Sisson Book": "There is a tradition that John Junior was the eldest of 3 brothers" Coat of arms given to John Hand, one of the nine patentees of East Hampton, Long Island, Suffolk Co., New York.
To say the red hand of Ulster is from Northern Ireland is wrong
The Ulster loyalists adopted the red hand of Ulster as they have adopted (stolen) everything else they have
The ancient country culture and people's were Ireland Irish Eire Gaels
There's an Irish tide rising
U mad
I need to find a Celtic ? Separatist? Breton ?
Say your a bigot, without actually saying it. 🥱🥱🥱
@@WeAreThePeople1690 stating facts doesn't make him a bigot..maybe u don't like to hear the truth.
Say you are a Brit,without saying it. ...
The One certain thing we all know, is Ulster is part of Ireland and belonging to the Irish Gaels.
You guys just making stuff up now. 😊
sooo!!!!! you don't actually know!!!