EV Mechanic Interview | Gruber Motors
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- As EV's invade and replace transportation, service delivery lags. Automotive learning institutions are unable to change curriculum quickly enough to train the new technicians/mechanics, and a severe shortage of experienced instructors only compounds the problem.
All the while, EV producers are all trying to outdo the competition, recognizing Tesla's success, and cars are being cranked out much faster than Service Centers can be built.
Our typical interview with the existing mechanic labor pool always ends with the same outcome - no simple hiring solutions, and long learning curves even with seasoned ICE veterans.
The leap from ICE service to EVs is a big gap, and the shortage of EV trained Technician/Mechanic is real and growing.
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I’ve been in HVAC for, gulp, over 50 years. The fact that I’m a ham radio operator enabled me to advance into controls and variable frequency drives. Few technicians know these needed skills.
I am a controls guy, and even in what I do (mostly system integration) is like pulling teeth just to get someone to open a computer.
Dont you guys see a future problem here?
My son has been with Tesla 8 years. He started off in the showroom, doing test drives, then deliveries, did some management of a showroom and then got into what he really wanted-mechanic. He's had a lot of proprietary training. Pretty intense. I'm super proud of him.
Another excellent video, Pete! Your points are extremely well presented and easy to follow along with your train of thought.
Hello Pete, I've been following your excellent channel. I started life playing with Meccano and electronic kits that my dad gave me, then I studied auto mechanic and worked as such for a few years wrenching as a young adult. Next I went back to school and eventually became a computer programmer, just in time for the internet boom of the early 90's. I've had a long and rewarding career coding, specializing in 3D virtual reality networks (relevant to today's HUDs and autonomous driving). I've also learned a few things about PCs circuitry (enough to understand how electronic binary systems actually work). But none of that is exactly easy, burning out is a fact of life. At some point 3+ years ago, I wanted to get out of the office and have a more physical life, so I began building my own little car shop from the ground up, doing all kind of repairs but trying to focus on the electrical aspects of motor vehicles, and especially diagnostics, this, as a stepping stone towards more advanced vehicles. I am as fascinated with EVs as I Ioved classic cars, as I truly believe they will be a big part of the future. There is a charging station not far from my home in South Florida, so I see the Teslas often and I am dreaming of working on them and other EVs some day, God permitting. Please keep up the good work on your channel.
Thanks for this enlightening video, Pete.
I can see you are looking to expand your business. Makes all sense because the whole markets in this industry are expanding and e really need more professional people like Gruber Motor Company to answer all types of demands from those markets - retail EV repair and retail EV conversion. I hope to see your business flourishing steadily and strong.
Looks like an aviation avionics tech would be a good candidate.
I wish I lived close by your shop as I would have applied to work with you part time. I have my masters in electrical engineering and was a mechanic myself in my younger years. It's fascinating how much the EV Revolution is happening and hope you'll get the talent you are looking for. Thanks for the insights on the skills required to transition to the EV repair industry as we will need lots of them.
I would rather repair powerchairs under warranty for free.
It's not like an electrical engineer is expected to remember wiring diagrams for 5,000 models from 400 manufactures in 92 different countries either while the customer is sitting in the waiting lounge.
Elon should be in prison!"Oct 4, 2022 - In July, the hourly labor rate was $175/hour. In August it was $195/hour, and in September it was $239/hour! Has anyone else noticed?"
Not enough technicians or too many criminal car shitbags trying to collect 87% gross profit margins on auto service labor?
Very informative. It seems like I'll have to go to electrical school and take some Weber Auto courses before I can be considered.
My days of being an internal combustion tech are numbered indeed. Time to go back to school.
Only if you're younger than 40
@@robertpsotka3525 Im 36, so, yes!
Interesting. I was active duty Army in an aircraft armament and weaponry systems MOS with expansion training beyond the primary aircraft we worked on day to day. AVIM level with a dash of depot maintenance. Honorable discharge -> college -> Bachelors in Electronics Engineering Technology. Worked for around 6 to 7 years in that field ranging from board level troubleshooting on PLC's (OMRON and Allen Bradley mainly) to installation of a proprietary industrial process monitoring solution in an 80% travel position. Travel at that level was a bit much and an opportunity to move into IT appeared. Since that move I've been a systems engineer and mainly a systems integration engineer. On the hobby side I've built a race car that ran a decent 13s in a quarter mile (decent on a shoestring budget) and designed an Arduino based secondary fuel system for a motorcycle acquittance years ago. Am I unique as far as careers and experience? Seems like a lot of the military aircraft maintenance techs should transfer reasonably well assuming those folks had a natural curiosity and work ethic.
If you have a problem finding qualified people try starting a tech school and train them
Texas Institute of Technology Sciences comes to mind.
@@bongobrandy6297 lol
@@bongobrandy6297 T.I.T.S ?
Agreed - Business opportunities abound in this sea of disruption.
The faculty of delft university in Holland ( they run a basic course on EV) were saying the same thing. Basically, traditional automotive engineering courses do not train EV engineers. Because many institutes do not have skilled and hands on electrical and electronic professors. It is easier for electronic and software engineers to fix the car than for traditional ICE mechanics. When my spectrometer died in the chemical laboratory the service engineer came , replaced a module and left. It was easier to replace the module to be fixed at the center by experts that to do it on site. The second time it happened. I took the faulty module and posted it. I wonder if EV manufacturers acknowledge the lack of skills and go for a modular assembly / reassembly with minimum fuss.
I've taken to fixing my own tesla issues. they are actually quite easy to fix yourself, with a wide array of well done youtube tutorials, and mostly basic tools (sockets, trim removal tools, and some oddball hex screwdrivwrs) not too crazy. I think many will take to learning to fix their own while service centers struggle to keep up with manufacture rates
Really need to be fair. How long did it take ICE oems to scale up for ice vehicle service. Granted there were very few ice vehicles in the beginning.
You should look at posting a step-by-step video guide on how/where to obtain the education and skills to secure a job at a place like Gruber.
My professions was in cars and later in automation. Good combo for handling EV.s. No need to mystificate this vehicle sector.
Shop owner: what can you do?
Mechanic: I can rebuild you engine.
Shop owner: Good to hear, but Teslas don't have an engine.
Mechanic: 🤯
Peter, it would be neat to hear about your first Roadster battery pack recovery and how you ended up in a situation where you decided to try it for the first time.
Anyone who has the skill you require will just open their own shop. In my case, was able to come into possession of a complete set of systems from the model 3/X. Built a test stand on the cheap. Why? just for fun'zies. The downside is that most of these systems are unique to the block/model. This would tend to enforce the reality that maintenance/repair isn't anticipated during the design phase. While I appreciate Tesla that would not extend to me being a fanboy. The parts should become really cheap for study in the next 36-48 months as more and more of these devices end up on blocks in junkyards. When you source the bits and pieces don't pay very much. As 90+-% will never make it into a vehicle again. But will be good for learning/hacking the ecosystem known as Tesla.
It sounds like you should start your own, new version of, an automotive training school. Make new mechanics the clients.
I was a circuit board bench tech for 8 years, know how to solder and us a scope, know software, and wrench on my own cars. I have a EET (electrical engineering Technology) degree from Washington U in St. Louis. I take laptops apart and fix them for fun. Hire me if you ever come to St. Louis.
The Tesla Service Centers are only interested in replacing large, extremely expensive components that may cost thousands of dollars. They are not interested in doing the types of diagnostic testing that Gruber Motors is doing.
Driving computers need electronics technicians who have basic knowledge of hardware and software (-;
Wondering if you have thought of reaching out to TV/Radio broadcast technician recruiters for help finding talent. I'm retired, but worked in that industry for 40+ years. We troubleshoot and do component level repair on electronic circuits every day. Most of us have some software skills. And those of us who did mobile television production and/or transmitter maintenance have the wrenching skills and also know how to safely troubleshoot in high power environments. Broadcasting as a whole is consolidating and putting a lot of technicians out of work. Most of them would love the challenge of applying their skills in the EV automotive space.
We run adds 24x7. None of these guys are showing up. Retired?
@@grubermotorcompany Interesting. I'll put some thought provoking posts in the broadcast engineering FB groups that I follow to see if there is any interest. If I wasn't retired and loving it, I'd certainly consider going into EV repair. There is going to be explosive growth in that area over the next decade.
So in other words, when your Tesla does break down, the highly trained tech it requires to fix it is going to cost you a bundle in repair costs.
Im currently studying for a vocational degree in Hybrid and Electric vehicles however where I live there's little to no EV service shops. Where should I start out to start training the necessary skills?
It was much easier before we ushered in the throwaway society.
The old TV, Radio, Phonograph, Tape Recorder, Audio amp repair guys are long gone, but had an easy transition into our new EV component level repair. They understood what every component dis, how to measure faults, and use test equipment.
Todays module swappers are a sorry replacement.
I would love to open one of your Branches in the SoCal area. Start a mentorship program for people coming into the EV tech market. However, easier said than done. Currently, I run a few outreach programs with cybersecurity which enables students and Veterans a few options other than overpriced and low value college degrees. So, the question is, How do I get involved while still having time for my other ventures
So basically you need:
-A computer science degree
-An electricians apprenticeship
-To be strong enough to torque off the locks
Thats about eight years of education plus being in decent shape.
The pay better be close to two hundred thousand per year because thats basically a doctor’s education length.
I see major problems ahead for the electric vehicle industry.
Sir , what do you mean by major problem ahead in ev industry here?
Tesla couldnt Hire me 😅😅😅 They got mad when I ask. What percentage raise you guys give? And Yearly raise?
They didnt have no answer.
Im a Master Honda Tech. Got my ASEs and Electrician/Welder on the side. I deal with 480volts 240volts. But the Railroad is WAYYYY better. Railroad pension, 457, 401a, and a lot of OT. 100k plus and No stress. Barely work. My job is 10% work and 90% no work. A lot of downtime. Lol
This guy acts like ICE mechanics don't fix CAN problems, electronics repair and software. These EV's still need suspension/brake work, cabin filters, etc.. You can't hire a Linux Dev to do those jobs. As a shop owner that works on ICE vehicles I'm a little offended at the assumption that someone who works on ICE vehicles can't be a good EV tech. Knowledge of software flashing, CAN diagnostics, etc.. are all part of what I do. Watching guys like Rich Rebuilds peaked my interest but we are not all alike (ICE mechanics). The good ones that have the knowledge you seek are good enough to have their own shops making money.
EV Cars will always have mechaincal and electrical components like an ICE car. Why repair a used module when a new module cost less . EV cars are like IPHONE. After warranty is out, its worthless to fix it. I will not go into the field since EV are very reliable and no maintenance. How can a shop pays the skilled mechanics/engineer ?
@@deweyl.3714 From my experience new modules on cars in general are not less than used ones. Plenty of companies out there reflashing used modules on BMW's and making a fortune doing so. I don't see that changing especially with companies like Tesla trying to stop aftermarket from repairing their cars.
That will be one very expensive mechanic to hire. $500,000 a year at least. If I have the skill of a software and electrical engineer I will be working for a very large Tech company. No way you can train an average ICE mechanic to understand software programs.
Will you consider older workers? Should a well-qualified person over 50 or 55 years of age even bother to apply? Or do you only consider people under ~35 years of age like most other tech companies?
@@AdrianMcDaid - That is the point. But more often than not, many people will not even be considered for the job, regardless of qualifications.
I'm sure if you walk the walk not just talk the talk you'll be fine. If you're really interested you can find breakdowns of quite a few evs. Also, if you don't believe in the performance of the product it shows you don't know it.
@@joebachmeier6747 - It sounds like you don't work in IT or some other tech segment (I have for the last 30 years). There is blatant, almost proudly-stated bias against older workers. The companies want to be known as young, hip and fun. They want workers that will work 80 hours per week. That will make the company their family so that the company comes first. I checked the Gruber website, they make a point of saying that their open position is a "cool job". Anyone with experience in the field knows that any company that tells you how cool/great/whatever the job is is hiding the reality in store for the future employee. Great companies don't have to convince people to come to work for them by telling them how awesome the company/jobs is, they have more candidates than they can ever use.
I guess it might be area specific. In my area electric guys are few and far between. People don't understand computer basics, like before doing any kind of serious investigation into a software glitch, maybe any control related issue you should be first doing a hard reset.
We are color blind, age blind, and sexual preference blind when it comes to hiring. Skills are the only thing that matters. In todays market, anyone indulging in any kind of prejudices quickly drives themselves out of business.