Should cities expand into the sea?

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  • @CityBeautiful
    @CityBeautiful  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1853

    Apologies to the Dutch: I did a video on land reclamation without mentioning your expertise!

    • @MrNemjit
      @MrNemjit 4 ปีที่แล้ว +344

      Oh well, nobody's perfect. Except of course Dutch bicycle infrastructure

    • @shaidzaman5671
      @shaidzaman5671 4 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      Please make a video about third world cities

    • @GeographyWorld
      @GeographyWorld 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      I guess that the Netherlands is a country, not just one city. (ok there is Randstad Holland)

    • @Brabour
      @Brabour 4 ปีที่แล้ว +72

      You can make up for it with a video solely dedicated to the country :p

    • @Silvarret
      @Silvarret 4 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      @@MrNemjit Dutch bicycle infrastructure is far from perfect. Our country is riddled with unseparated bike lanes along busy roads, outdated intersections, and not to mention the absolutely ridiculous idea to allow high-speed mopeds on bike lanes.
      I think many Dutch people should less boastfully spread the word about their infrastructure and actually take a look at how other countries are rapidly improving their cycling infrastructure. They might actually learn a thing or two if they were a bit less egocentric and arrogant.

  • @PracticalEngineeringChannel
    @PracticalEngineeringChannel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +915

    Thanks for having me on the channel. It was fun!

    • @CityBeautiful
      @CityBeautiful  4 ปีที่แล้ว +62

      Thank you for doing it!

    • @chunkmuncher1715
      @chunkmuncher1715 4 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      This is the collab we needed in this trying time❤️

    • @emudeko
      @emudeko 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Great explanation from both. Should do another video.

    • @K1989L
      @K1989L 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Two of my favorite channels in the same video!

    • @imcarlosjr4898
      @imcarlosjr4898 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nice

  • @Sorenzo
    @Sorenzo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +576

    "It's very complex, so I'll let Grady explain..."
    "Well, you put soil in the water. Then you add some more. It's heavy, though."

    • @stephenpowstinger733
      @stephenpowstinger733 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Yes, how about at least one differential calculus explanation? :,-)

    • @christafranken9170
      @christafranken9170 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It's not how land was reclaimed in the Netherlands, that would have made for a far more interesting explaination

    • @jasonLJ
      @jasonLJ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@stephenpowstinger733 as opposed to a non-calculus differential equation

    • @TheCrazyCrewNL
      @TheCrazyCrewNL 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@christafranken9170 Except for the Maasflakte

  • @sneeuwbox1278
    @sneeuwbox1278 4 ปีที่แล้ว +793

    Too be honest, I was more inpressed that you managed to talk 13 minuts about land reclamation without mentioning the Netherlands. Hats off to you for another great video!

    • @Churros1616
      @Churros1616 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      People don’t really care about this small country called the Netherlands.

    • @aoaoaaoaoao889
      @aoaoaaoaoao889 4 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      C Will it has millions of people

    • @joelgerhardt7097
      @joelgerhardt7097 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      @@Churros1616 Talk for yourself.

    • @sneeuwbox1278
      @sneeuwbox1278 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@talachastu816 yes haha

    • @carlosandleon
      @carlosandleon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Land Reclamation is disgustingly environmentally destructive.

  • @frislander4299
    @frislander4299 4 ปีที่แล้ว +631

    A 13-minute video on land-reclamation with no mention of Flevoland? Impressive.

    • @Huntracony
      @Huntracony 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      Hey! I live there!

    • @CityBeautiful
      @CityBeautiful  4 ปีที่แล้ว +265

      I've already braced myself for angry Dutch commenters. I decided to focus on Asia for this video.

    • @burkiwa
      @burkiwa 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      @@CityBeautiful I guess you should have specified that in the beginning. As an American-Dutch Flevolander,I am disappointed. How could you skip the largest manmade 'island'. (I put island in quotes, as we're mostly below sea level.0
      I'll check out your thoughts on Nebula.

    • @Wiejeben
      @Wiejeben 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@CityBeautiful Nah we aren't angry, just felt a little bit left out. But! Today I learned the Netherlands isn't the only one doing land reclamation at large, so this was pretty informative.

    • @sirBrouwer
      @sirBrouwer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@Wiejeben the joke is out side of the Netherlands it still is mostly Dutch dredging companies doing the reclamation work. (BosKalis or Van Oort)

  • @albertovillaescusarico9456
    @albertovillaescusarico9456 4 ปีที่แล้ว +344

    "The argument that land reclamation projects can protect cities from sea level rise doesn't always hold water."
    I see what you did there...

    • @8bitorgy
      @8bitorgy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Now if he only used half the effort to make this video he'd realize there is no global sea level rise, and wouldn't waste our time giving us a tablespoon of BS.

    • @albertovillaescusarico9456
      @albertovillaescusarico9456 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      @@8bitorgy Which GOP stooge on Fox News told you that?

    • @caleb1031
      @caleb1031 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ouch

    • @awesomeautomotives1567
      @awesomeautomotives1567 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      F TP Conspiracy Theorist much?

    • @BonaparteBardithion
      @BonaparteBardithion 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He's talking about local water displaced by the reclaimed land, so general rising sea levels are besides the point anyway.

  • @luis_zuniga
    @luis_zuniga 4 ปีที่แล้ว +361

    The Dutch are THE experts on land reclamation.

    • @LCTesla
      @LCTesla 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      that's a very different thing from "expanding cities into the sea". I know of only one project where we did that and it was near one of the most densely industrialized harbor areas of Rotterdam (Maasvlakte). it would really not make much sense to go through the trouble in any other spot. what the Dutch mostly do is drain the water from lakes, which is an order of magnitude easier.

    • @juanjuri6127
      @juanjuri6127 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Aztecs have left the chat

    • @kc_1018
      @kc_1018 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Screw land reclamation. Just live on the water like Southeast Asians have for centuries. Go to Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, and Indonesia, and you will see floating villages with schools, shops, clinics, and restaurants.

    • @Bob_Lob_Law
      @Bob_Lob_Law 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@8LegoVogel8 That's not how colonization works.
      Also, a loophole is a way to bend the rules, there are no rules, and a way to continue the same activity, these things are not the same.

    • @Bob_Lob_Law
      @Bob_Lob_Law 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@8LegoVogel8 ?_?

  • @risannd
    @risannd 4 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    Last time I did that in Cities Skylines, my whole city flooded.

    • @olivierdomingue6312
      @olivierdomingue6312 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In good old sim city (on the snes, 1991) land reclamation was mandatory

  • @kevincgrabb
    @kevincgrabb 4 ปีที่แล้ว +236

    "200 years ago, when Macao was only 10km squared."
    Come on, show usssssss.
    "Of course, we didn't have aerial photography back then."
    I AM AN IDIOT.

    • @KarolaTea
      @KarolaTea 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      I was hoping for at least some lines drawn on the photo. There must've been maps back then, right?

    • @dxelson
      @dxelson 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Yeah... I was disappointed there are maps and records of it...

    • @dutchman7623
      @dutchman7623 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@ericolens3
      May I point out to you that on 21st of November in the year 1783 the French had their first balloon flight of more than eight kilometers?
      And that the first modern photo was taken in 1826, also in France and by French.
      That many church towers, build in the Middle Ages, are higher than 100 meters, like the tower of Utrecht (NL) with 115 m.
      And that you can walk up the dome of St.Peter in Rome on 138 meters height, build in 1600.
      That camera obscura was already used by Johannes Vermeer in 1630.
      All in all your comment shows alot about YOU, and the quality of your education.

  • @wweweqws
    @wweweqws 4 ปีที่แล้ว +235

    >talk about land reclamation
    >'typically common in Asia'
    >Holland be like 'am I a joke to you'
    Literally 80% of the projects mentioned here have ties to Dutch companies or engineering since the Dutch have perfected this process for years. Moreover, the option to fill the land isn't necessary if you just build big seawall and accept that reclaimed land is below sealevel.

    • @Quintinohthree
      @Quintinohthree 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Years? You mean centuries.

    • @matthewcollins4764
      @matthewcollins4764 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      He apologized for not including the Dutch an hour before you made this comment

    • @wweweqws
      @wweweqws 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@matthewcollins4764 so that means he's now exempted from constructive criticism?

    • @wweweqws
      @wweweqws 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Quintinohthree true

    • @chongjunxiang3002
      @chongjunxiang3002 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Do today's Dutch still reclaim land...like the size of Singapore every year?

  • @catriona_drummond
    @catriona_drummond 4 ปีที่แล้ว +76

    The Dutch: Why do I feel like an Elephant in a small room?

  • @LaDeXi
    @LaDeXi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +87

    "True demand and no viable alternatives". If only. My home city (Tampere, Finland) has ample amounts of land all around yet city officials keep filling the lakes.

    • @Menstral
      @Menstral 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      My home city (Tampa, Florida) has ample coastal land and we have and could reclaim some more land.

    • @paxundpeace9970
      @paxundpeace9970 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Filling the lakes keeps the bugs away.

    • @LaDeXi
      @LaDeXi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@paxundpeace9970 Dude what? Finland isn't Florida and I'm talking about 2,962.29 sq mi and 46.95 sq mi lakes.

    • @largeymargey5651
      @largeymargey5651 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LaDeXi Florida has a lot of water in the form of marshes finland has it in the form of lakes there for florida is obviously just warm finland or vice versa

    • @LaDeXi
      @LaDeXi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@largeymargey5651 ...what?

  • @NorthPoleSun
    @NorthPoleSun 4 ปีที่แล้ว +163

    1:29 I remember during history class we used to look at maps of Boston and surrounding areas to understand the American Revolutionary War. I always wondered why the maps back then looked so different to the one on google maps. I figured that the people back then must have just made bad maps of Boston. I never really realized that it was a result of land reclamation because I hadn't heard of land reclamation in Boston before today.

    • @Ethan5I5
      @Ethan5I5 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Kiero Kiero Bad maps from older times only really happened when the map in question covered a huge area (eg. continent)

    • @shigemorif1066
      @shigemorif1066 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      One sign of the reclamation in Boston is the Back Bay neighborhood and how perfectly laid out its streets are in a perpendicular pattern compared to other parts of Boston.

  • @ArchOfWinter
    @ArchOfWinter 4 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    I hate the term 'reclaim.' To reclaim something imply getting back something that was yours. So the land, shouldn't be' reclaim,' since there was never land there in the first place. Shouldn't it just be 'claiming' land from the sea/body of water? 'Reclaim' should only apply to land that was flooded or eroded away.

    • @RenegadeShepard69
      @RenegadeShepard69 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Exactly. This is more like colonizing the sea and exterminating the wetlands' fauna. Jokes aside what's even the big deal with using the term land expansion? Why would it need an incorrect and confusing term, as reclaimation implies what you said, doesn't sound like "building into the sea".

    • @davidjames4915
      @davidjames4915 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      "Enclaim" might work better still as a verb, with "enclamation" as the general term in place of "reclamation".

    • @greasher926
      @greasher926 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      There was land there though, you would just have to go back more than 6,000 years. Sea levels are not static, we have just been very lucky they have been fairly stable for the past 6,000 years

    • @crayon_logic444
      @crayon_logic444 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Doesn’t matter, that’s a dumb reason to get mad.

    • @MasonGreenWeed
      @MasonGreenWeed 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      If they're not land then why they stand on continental shield, curious

  • @Katthewm
    @Katthewm 4 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    Monaco is another good example, they only way they can expand is into the sea.(unless they invade France)
    What the dutch are doing is similar, but not the same. The dutch mostly drain and wall off land which is different than using tons of sand to build up new land.

    • @Quintinohthree
      @Quintinohthree 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      The Dutch sorta stopped doing that. The most recent land reclamations have been of filling with sand type. Of course, Dutch sand is perfect for this purpose.

    • @rogerwilco2
      @rogerwilco2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      The Dutch do both. We also have the Maasvlakte, Zeeburg and such.

    • @CC-hx8gj
      @CC-hx8gj 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      monaco annexation of france when??? 🇲🇨🇲🇨🇲🇨

    • @kyh148
      @kyh148 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CC-hx8gj Y e s .

    • @moladiver6817
      @moladiver6817 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's called inpoldering, the process of creating a polder. A polder is exactly what you described: a walled in and then drained sea bed. And the reason for that is mostly agriculture. A polder is not the best place for urban development because of the extremely soft soil. Some cities such as Gouda expanded into polder areas. Houses are all on stilts standing on a firm layer of sand well below the land surface. But everything around (gardens, infrastructure) is experiencing heavy subsidence. These areas are infamous in The Netherlands for their yearly sand requirements to raise everything back to normal level. Gardens tend to sink half a meter of more in a matter of years. Never build in polders. 😉
      The Maasvlakte in Rotterdam was reclaimed and then raised to 5 m above sea level. This was planned specifically for new industry and port expansion so is an entirely different beast.
      This new coastline is also very popular for watersports and other activities. It's a rather odd but otherwise perfectly working combination between heavy industry and recreation. This way many people benefit from such developments.
      Mixed use areas are another specialty in The Netherlands and are in stark contrast with the strict zoning that exists in North America where it's very normal to see miles and miles of homes without ever even encountering a local minimarket or bakery. The Canadian channel Not Just Bikes covers this topic quite extensively in several interesting videos.

  • @uripesachstuff2409
    @uripesachstuff2409 4 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Land reclamation has been the most prominent in Asia
    "Laughs in Dutch"

    • @dutchman7623
      @dutchman7623 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      'Made by the Netherlands' is stamped all over those projects.

    • @OntarioTrafficMan
      @OntarioTrafficMan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      "Lacht"
      You're welcome.

  • @Thukad
    @Thukad 4 ปีที่แล้ว +90

    It makes me wonder if we can, instead of reclaiming land, create new seas. We know that sea levels are going to rise. We know desertification is a serious issue. Why not cut channels into Northern Africa or Australia that bring that water into the center of the continent? You could then desalinate it by creating wetlands. The cost would be astronomical but I don't think it's outside our abilities as engineers. And like I said, sea level rise is already going to happen, so why not take advantage of it?

    • @andreatommasi3287
      @andreatommasi3287 4 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      1 - the quantity of water that would be "flooded in" would be very very very minimal compared to the water in the oceans, it would not change anything
      2 - you can convey it somewhere if you have a hugely large depression which doesn't serve any purpose (there's nothing like that on Earth). You can't bring oceans up 100m high
      3 - you can't just desalinate that much water. You don't have the capability nor the place to store the salt nor the money
      4 - It would simply last thousands of years for the water to flow in sufficient amount to that hypotetical place
      5 - No, we don't have the technology
      6 - It would basically be purposeless and it would cost an insane amount of money
      Soooo :D

    • @deanlemckeevans
      @deanlemckeevans 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      You could instead just dig channels from the sea to places already below sea level like Lake Eyre in Australia, or the Salton Sea in USA, or the Qattara Depression in Egypt etc and let gravity do most of the work for you

    • @landewell6862
      @landewell6862 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I like straws

    • @wernerrietveld
      @wernerrietveld 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @@andreatommasi3287 The Qattara depression (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qattara_Depression) is indeed interesting. digging a 80km canal from the medeteranian would be a great opportunity to get electricity from hydropower, and the massive evaporation it causes would create some clouds wich could help a little bit against global warming (clouds reflect solar energy back out of the atmosphere) and could also cause a bit more rain, which could yield a bit more agricultural production. I don't know how significant the last two effects would be, but for sure the first one is very usefull.

    • @sirBrouwer
      @sirBrouwer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      here in the Netherlands we are actually in the process to give reclaimed land back to the sea. with the aim to give space for marine biodiversity to get better.

  • @2009heyhow
    @2009heyhow 4 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    A video about Dutch history without mentioning Dutch history.

    • @2009heyhow
      @2009heyhow 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @Michal Nazareth Nobody is saying exclusively. But this map shows how it changed 1/3 of the entire country since the 14th century.
      i.pinimg.com/originals/7d/fa/78/7dfa78f00d903f29459283115e2f249a.jpg
      Such a transformation did not happen anywhere else. Only some cities.

    • @2009heyhow
      @2009heyhow 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Michal Nazareth I get your point, although the Maasvlakte is quite new. Its an extention of the Rotterdam harbor into the sea.

    • @overbeb
      @overbeb 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Everybody already knows about the Dutch and their incessant dredging and filling to make more land.

  • @DiegoSaulReyna
    @DiegoSaulReyna 4 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    you are severely under subscribed bro, !!!

    • @CityBeautiful
      @CityBeautiful  4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Subscribers is a vanity metric anyway. :D

  • @wesleyleigh4063
    @wesleyleigh4063 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    In our city of Perth, Australia they did the opposite - removed a chunk of the CBD to create an inlet that could be developed around. This not only brought the river closer to the inner city, but it bolstered the attraction and I suppose bent the coastline to the will of the planners.

    • @KeitieKalopsia
      @KeitieKalopsia 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's really interesting. There's another comment about taking advantage of the rising sea levels by creating new seas in desert areas to convert them into thriving ecosystems or habitable places. Your comment gives evidence that it could work to some extent.

  • @AndyGneiss
    @AndyGneiss 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When I was an Engineer In Training, I got to witness a project that put a lot of effort into pre-consolidating the soils we were going to build on top of. As mentioned by Grady (3:44), "ground improvement methods like vibratory compaction and even temporarily overfilling the land" were used, but also wick drains. The wick drains removed water from the soil, letting the solid particles get even closer together, which makes the soil denser. It was neat stuff.

  • @AverytheCubanAmerican
    @AverytheCubanAmerican 4 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    Ocean Man, take me by the hand! Take me to the land, that you understand

    • @newsaxonyproductions7871
      @newsaxonyproductions7871 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Finally a video I actually asked for.

    • @silvercoulter
      @silvercoulter 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nice Ween reference.

    • @Googledeservestodie
      @Googledeservestodie 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      OCEAN MAN
      VOYAGE TO THE CORNERS OF THE GLOBE IS A REAL TRIP

    • @adamsilverman2
      @adamsilverman2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ocean man, the crust of a tan man imbibed by the sand
      Soaking up the thirst of the land

    • @jairv.t.4346
      @jairv.t.4346 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ocean man, can you see through the wonder of amazement at the oberman

  • @10cabe
    @10cabe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You and Grady are my two favorite You Tube experts, so it was a wonderful surprise to see you both on this intriguing analysis.

  • @michaelwalsh6276
    @michaelwalsh6276 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Random fact: bull island in Dublin was created accidentally when the north bull wall was built to stop sand from drifting into the mouth of the Liffey and blocking large ships in Dublin port.

  • @nkrat1093
    @nkrat1093 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Forget the Avengers, City Beautiful and Practical Engineering coming together is the best crossover of all time!

  • @AnthonC
    @AnthonC 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    2:47 My beautiful hometown, Georgetown, Penang.

    • @yisengang3194
      @yisengang3194 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes I am so familiar (as a Penang Lang) with this area also, eii Gurney Paragon here in video? Cannot wait for Girney Wharf to be completed in circa 2022.

  • @Lillith.
    @Lillith. 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm impressed. This has to be the only video I have ever seen about land reclamation without mentioning the Netherlands. I wonder how many there are.

  • @danmcclaren5436
    @danmcclaren5436 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The reason Dubai failed at land reclamation is because it wasn't a necessity. China and South Korea did it for airports, universities, and housing. While in Dubai it was just for luxury developments that wanted proximity to the water.

  • @ShakilAhmed-kf5nd
    @ShakilAhmed-kf5nd 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It was cool to see Practical Engineering on this! My two favourite channels in one!

  • @scifience8297
    @scifience8297 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    can you do a video on the impact that vertical farming will have on urban-planning?

    • @user-gu9yq5sj7c
      @user-gu9yq5sj7c ปีที่แล้ว

      Watch Alan Fisher on farming. He said the problem with vertical farming is that plants will grow through the buildings and cause buildings to be too moist. And that transporting a lot of it via elevator would be difficult. He recommended more trains to transport produce with outdoor farms or greenhouses.

  • @bdaMatt
    @bdaMatt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I see a CityBeautiful vid pop up and I put everything else aside to watch it asap. Thank for the great content!

  • @attalan8732
    @attalan8732 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Sea: Encroaches into land.
    Land: *Uno reverse card.*

  • @yyy222y2
    @yyy222y2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Great video highlighting both sides of the argument! However, I'm slightly disappointed that you didn't mention Japan. Tokyo and Osaka have reclaimed tonnes of land over the industrial and post-industrial eras, and places such as the plains of Okayama are a result of centuries of large-scale land reclamation projects, the earliest starting in the 16th century. Also, I feel you missed out on how the reclaimed land is marketed and used. In Tokyo there is a parcel of reclaimed land named "Dream Island", and the reclaimed islands of Tokyo bay (such as Odaiba) are developed in an auto-oriented way, with large roads, sprawling developments and lack of high-level transit.

  • @rafique10ce30
    @rafique10ce30 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Why it's called reclamation ?
    How can you reclaim a thing which was never yours.
    It's sea colonization

  • @hosank
    @hosank 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "China protects its arable land, that's why it grows into the sea"... That's the line they should use when trying to explain why they're placing Air-to-Air missiles on artificial islands in the South China Sea

  • @austinheath9739
    @austinheath9739 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As soon as I see a new City Beautiful video, I gotta watch. What a fascinating topic, great job!

  • @KrishnaDasLessons
    @KrishnaDasLessons 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Land reclamation, in my opinion, shouldn't really be done as much in today's world since they have huge implications for the environment. Land reclamation affects reefs and ecosystems in the ocean, and can even cause future erosion, and land reclamation through the draining of wetlands, as stated in the video, are a huge problem especially in the United States and Asian nations. Also, reclaimed land should be used properly, you shouldn't manage reclaimed land like Dubai where a lot of the land is just abandoned due to economic complications. Also, fun fact, Mumbai before land reclamation was 4 islands, so most of the city is living on reclaimed land!

  • @mcmeyer1785
    @mcmeyer1785 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The Netherlands: *has an entire province that land reclaimed from the sea with two big cities on it that happens to be largest land reclaimed area in the world*
    This video about land reclamation: *no mention*

  • @dkranda
    @dkranda 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great to see a practical engineering cameo!

  • @saptarshichatterjee36
    @saptarshichatterjee36 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mumbai is built on reclaimed land. It used to be 7 islands before the surrounding land was reclaimed to form the whole city. I wonder if that's why flooding is so severe here!

  • @metrofilmer8894
    @metrofilmer8894 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great job on the content. Always look forward to when you upload. Keep Up The Great Work Dave and Stay Safe.

  • @patrickjspoon
    @patrickjspoon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Don't know what you got 'til it's gone, I knew *something* was missing in my life and it was a new City Beautiful video!

  • @g0d5m15t4k3
    @g0d5m15t4k3 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was really interesting for me because I just got back from Cancún for the first time and wondered how the man made beaches there were created. Thank you!

  • @danrobrish3664
    @danrobrish3664 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I thought reclamation was the process of changing chowder back into clams.

    • @jwaj
      @jwaj 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have a new least favorite person

  • @AlecMuller
    @AlecMuller 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Floating city elements (another thing the Dutch have experience with) are a related alternative to land reclamation. Depending on the water depth, they can be cheaper than land reclamation. Also, they needn't completely wipe out marine life underneath them.

  • @christinosim
    @christinosim 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    "The new land is currently full of casinos"
    I'm not surprised

  • @stephenpowstinger733
    @stephenpowstinger733 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for helping me see the world from my armchair. People sometimes boast “I have traveled the world and know it” but so much can be learned indirectly.

  • @endrawes0
    @endrawes0 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yay! Two of my favorite channels are doing a collab!

  • @iansanchez966
    @iansanchez966 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    In Rio de Janeiro, they destroyed a mountain (Morro do Castelo) to use the land for reclamation. A large marsh near the city center was also filled in, leaving that area (Praça da Bandeira) infamously vulnerable to flooding.

  • @sutertakacs6987
    @sutertakacs6987 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Definitely, I love land reclamation projects. Its so satisfying

    • @cauliaw1566
      @cauliaw1566 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      So you just call environmet destruction project as satisfying? You greedy

    • @sutertakacs6987
      @sutertakacs6987 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cauliaw1566 Yeah i know, but ecology is all about trade offs between peoples comfort now versus later.

  • @serbansaredwood
    @serbansaredwood 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Leslie Street Spit is a land reclamation project in Toronto that is an urban park and is being filled with marshes to increase biodiversity and protect endangered species.

  • @Zeyev
    @Zeyev 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Subsidence is possibly more of a problem in the Central Valley where it's measured in feet not inches. And you didn't mention the risk of liquefaction in seismic areas. That was a huge problem in both Anchorage and San Francisco.

    • @RenegadeShepard69
      @RenegadeShepard69 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly what I was interested in. Because it all sounds very risky at first glance, but he never addresses those dangers.

  • @Forlfir
    @Forlfir 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just love cities so much, I swear this channel and the B1M are my favorite ones

  • @MrT3a
    @MrT3a 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mad idea here : land reclamation to grow coastal/flood marshes/swamps/wetlands/mangroves ?
    Keep doing it to create a buffer, then build on it while you keep expending the buffer out at sea ?

  • @juliansenfr
    @juliansenfr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Me:
    ~was just about to comment on how he made a video about land reclamation without a single mention to the top gun Netherlands
    ~look into the comments
    That's about right.

  • @amcalabrese1
    @amcalabrese1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I live in Chicago and much of the Downtown area is reclaimed from Lake Michigan (Michigan Avenue was the old lake front, everything east of Michigan Avenue downtown is pretty much reclaimed land).
    According to legend, the area reclaimed started as just places where people dumped their rubbish, eventually creating the reclaimed land. Then after the Great Fire, the smoldering rubble was tossed into the lake, making more reclaimed land.
    Then in the 1880s, steamboat Captain George Streeter ran aground on a sandbar formed due to the land reclamation. He claimed this was not technically part of the city and claimed it as a new Territory. He fought in the courts for about 30 years but eventually lost. The area is still called Streeterville.
    Which leads to another story. There is one high rise east of Lake Shore Drive, Lake Point Tower. It is on the lakefront by Navy Pier. Under the city's land use rules, the lake front is supposed to be for public use. So while some things are built east of Lake Shore Drive, they are supposed to be only for public use -- Solider Field, Navy Pier, the Field Museum, etc.. So how did Lake Point Tower get built? The story goes that the developer said the land use rules only applied to LAND east of Lake Shore Drive, the Tower was built on pilings into LANDFILL. They won in court, at which point the city changed its land use rules. Or so we tell the tourists -- I have no idea how true this story really is.

  • @Superchickenman159
    @Superchickenman159 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I would love it if you talked about the "Leslie Spit/Tommy Thompson Park" in Toronto and the effect it has on the Toronto Islands!

  • @hirokoai3013
    @hirokoai3013 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Actually, there is an other way to expand cities over sea : to buid real overwater structures, foating and pile buildings, platforms, and so on and so on. San Francisco is for example known for it's over water housing, it's even a part of the "West coast" images we can imagine elsewhere. Netherlands wants also to control rising seas in their lands by allowing flooding in other parts, so there are big projects for houses adapted to flooding. I think, it's probaby a cheaper and less environmentally impacting (but not completely clean) way to expand a city over seas than land reclamation. Do you think it's viable ? Are some cities planning oversees expensions ?

  • @Litt13F00t
    @Litt13F00t ปีที่แล้ว

    Dave: Before we can understand the costs and benefits of land reclamation, I think it's helpful to understand the process itself.
    Me: Oh yeah, absolutely- I know just the guy for this
    *opens up new tab*
    *starts typing "Practical Engineering: Land Reclama-"*
    Dave: So we're consulting an actual expert; here's Grady from Practical Engineering.
    Me: O.O

  • @Peizxcv
    @Peizxcv 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There is no choice most of the time. Just have to make sure the reclaimed area is used for meaningful development instead of luxury homes

  • @shacau1739
    @shacau1739 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Seattle is built on reclaimed land. the entire industrial district used to be part of the puget sound. The dirt they used came from a mountain that used to sit in the middle of downtown Seattle where Denny currently is. Making the topography of Seattle’s land man made.
    The history of Seattle can be found here on TH-cam.

  • @garrisonchristian3198
    @garrisonchristian3198 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great videos man

  • @moodbeast
    @moodbeast 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Sometimes I feel like Mother Nature is silently waiting for the opportunity to inflict damage on these engineered intrusions to the sea.

  • @jeffreymyles38
    @jeffreymyles38 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's cool when 2 channels I watch collaborate

  • @iaghosh04
    @iaghosh04 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Ooh look, a new upload!!!

    • @CityBeautiful
      @CityBeautiful  4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Took me long enough!

    • @AshrZ
      @AshrZ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      :o

  • @aaronmiller2020
    @aaronmiller2020 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Land reclamation is most common in Asia"
    The Netherlands: Am I a joke to you?

    • @fr0iler578
      @fr0iler578 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Netherlands is tiny though

    • @aaronmiller2020
      @aaronmiller2020 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@fr0iler578 They reclaimed an entire province called flevoland

    • @aaronmiller2020
      @aaronmiller2020 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      and some of zeeland

  • @GeographyWorld
    @GeographyWorld 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Great video but no mention of the Netherlands.

  • @400800D
    @400800D 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    9:48 it’s not a tidal flood, it’s “USSR engendered” rainwater sewers. It seems like a post soviet country, based on cars and buildings.

  • @stephenpowstinger733
    @stephenpowstinger733 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good overview of a widespread complicated problem. Commentators should look first before making the same repetitive complaints.

  • @TigerofRobare
    @TigerofRobare 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    One potential issue with land relamation is that sometimes the soil excavated from remediation projects, such as a lot where there used to be a factory so the ground is contaminated with heavy metals and toxic organic compounds, ends up as the fill. It's supposed to be taken to special land fills or even processed if it's really nasty, but sometimes it disappears on the way.

  • @qwertycomp9618
    @qwertycomp9618 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You should look up the project called Bluthton! It was another large-scale attempt to make more land on the ocean, but was unfortunately ultimately scrapped as well. Still a really interesting concept and definitely worth the look!

  • @emigrandaTV
    @emigrandaTV 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    More videos about the urbanisation around the world, please!

  • @Nojaru
    @Nojaru ปีที่แล้ว

    @10:16 Ottawa River flooding a few years ago due to unusually high volume of snow melt in the spring. I lived near the river at the time and that was the second time I'd ever seen a 100 year flood after the other one just a few years earlier.

  • @diegonbianco
    @diegonbianco 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I live in Buenos Aires, where land reclamation is a thing since the XVIII century. At the end of the city financial center there is a pronouced slope that used to be the original coast of the massive River Plate. From there to the actual shore there are 2km of reclaimed land.
    BTW loved the crossover!

  • @domesticcat1725
    @domesticcat1725 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Resr of the world: "hmm, should we really build artificial islands? Sounds kinda risky"
    The Netherlands: *raises a whole new province out of the sea just to diversify the gene pool in Urk*

  • @jfungsf882
    @jfungsf882 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    City Beautiful & Practical Engineering, both channels that I'm subscribed to, in one video = Two for the Price of One😀😉👍💯

  • @0fficialdregs
    @0fficialdregs 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    im using this tactic in my novel series by using an existing small island and dredging to the point an entire island is made and a country born

  • @cauliaw1566
    @cauliaw1566 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    You forgot to mention singapore land reclamation project caused destruction in many indonesian islands. Singapore used much illegal sand that they stole from many islands in indonesia.

    • @paxundpeace9970
      @paxundpeace9970 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree this a big problem

    • @chronyx685
      @chronyx685 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cahya A.W. That sand was bought and paid for legally, it is not the Singaporean Government’s responsibility that the Indonesian Government was willing to sell its sand at the cost of its environment.

    • @chronyx685
      @chronyx685 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cahya A.W. Look, Singapore paid for the sand, it is not Singapore’s fault the Indonesian government cannot follow its own laws.

    • @paxundpeace9970
      @paxundpeace9970 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@chronyx685 Still Singapore violated the laws.

    • @chronyx685
      @chronyx685 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      pax und peace Singapore has no laws against buying sand, the Indonesian government broke its own laws, not Singapore. Just like how Indonesians are not forced to obey Singapore’s Laws when in Indonesia, Singapore is not bound by Indonesia’s Laws. The only one that broke Indonesian Laws is the Indonesian government that sold the sand.

  • @christophermccoy4473
    @christophermccoy4473 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Omg my two favorite TH-cam channels working together. That was nice to see.

  • @repairdrive
    @repairdrive 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Two of my favorite channels coming together!! 👍

  • @tvdan1043
    @tvdan1043 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    3:34 Hey, I live there! Always fun when HRVA randomly shows up in someone's video.

  • @aaronschannel373
    @aaronschannel373 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You guys should collab more often, Great video!

  • @busbus5682
    @busbus5682 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd love it if you took Istanbul for a video idea. Great content as always btw!

  • @dannyrauh8
    @dannyrauh8 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    A video about land reclamation starting with Incheon Airport. This man is a genius.

  • @LC-pv9xh
    @LC-pv9xh 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    OK, I'm not done watching this at the time of writing but bit KUDOS for showing Town Point Park in my hometown of Norfolk, VA at 3:33 in the film as an example!

  • @JP-1990
    @JP-1990 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for not having cliched chill-hop beats in the background.

  • @juanjuri6127
    @juanjuri6127 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    it boggles the mind that places such as Venice and Tenochtitlan were built **entirely** like this

  • @simonsoogmail
    @simonsoogmail 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a citizen of Hong Kong, I maybe believe that land reclamation is nesscarry, or we will just build a floating city

  • @SuperFlamethrower
    @SuperFlamethrower 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    They did it in Boston, that's the Back Bay area. In fact, most of Boston is a filled in coastal area. It looked very different during the time of the revolutionary war.

  • @hymjets
    @hymjets 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    At 4:20, I think you are referring to the Hangzhou bay, where land reclamation did took place. It’s about 80 miles away from Hangzhou, the city, an inland city where I’m pretty sure no large scale land reclamation project happened.

  • @8083-t2h
    @8083-t2h 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    10:16 is that Chaudière falls & bridge (Ottawa River) in Ottawa, Canada when you're talking about flooding? Wasn't expecting to see that in a video on land reclaimation...

    • @martinlortie
      @martinlortie 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah I also recognized it right away!

  • @filetovictory
    @filetovictory 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm surprised there's no mention of Lagos Nigeria, large swathes of the city are currently being built on reclaimed land

    • @CityBeautiful
      @CityBeautiful  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I kept the discussion to Asia, but Lagos is a good example in Africa!

  • @karliebellatrixyoung6359
    @karliebellatrixyoung6359 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can we talk about how most constructed land is not in fact reclaimed from the sea but rather just claimed? Sure there is the occasional sinking coastline, but when you just expand into the sea, that was water before, and was not land before, in what sense is it RE-claimed?

  • @UncompressedWAVmusic
    @UncompressedWAVmusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Looks like land reclamation is a double edged sword as it has risks.

  • @ManosTheOne
    @ManosTheOne 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I was expecting to hear at least a mention of the word the "Netherlands".

  • @kilroy987
    @kilroy987 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would be 100% nervous about building out to sea, unless some protection was put in place against tsunamis and rising waters.

  • @jabekens
    @jabekens 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love the content, I learned a lot. But a small pet peeve - "zh" in Chinese sounds like a "j" so Zhuhai would sound like "Jew, hi." Looking forward to the next video!

    • @alexandernikolo4631
      @alexandernikolo4631 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've pretty much accepted that Chinese phonology is difficult and people without Chinese education will not pronounce them correctly. Especially j q x zh ch sh r z c s ü and the tones.

  • @Snowshowslow
    @Snowshowslow 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have to say, I was not prepared for a full video about land reclamation that does not even have a throwaway line about the Netherlands. But I guess I already knew about that, so maybe it made it video more interesting to me :-)

  • @HDJoltTV
    @HDJoltTV 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wait i think this is a really good idea for collaboration for these types of channels

  • @pongop
    @pongop 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a very cool and interesting video! I would also love to see videos on floating cities and seasteading! That would be really cool!