I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. I have never met you but I see you here every morning. God bless you for keeping up the struggle. May God bless you with strength to endure.
Hi Brother! How about that. It's marvelous! Thank You for making the Blible clear in this subject. Very well done; and it's definitly true. God bless you, and as well the Ligonier Ministries.
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"For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee." Titus 2:11-15
What a simplistic answer! Why not speak of the intra-conversation at Dort between those calvinists like James Usher and John Davenant who believed that the atonement is also unlimited in a sense? Wouldn’t that help the Arminians a bit? This is why short videos like these are both helpful and unhelpful.
Here's how I would explain it: We all deserve the wrath of God. On the cross, Jesus propitiated the wrath of God; He satisfied it on our behalf. He took it all. Therefore, for all those He died for, there is no more wrath, for anything. It is finished; it is paid in full. Therefore, for all those He died for, there will be no hell, for hell is the wrath of God. Therefore, if He died for all humanity, then no one would be in hell. That leaves only two options: limited atonement, or universalism.
Well, your logic is faulty and there’s more than 2 options than just universalism or limited atonement. Unlimited atonement is correct. God accepted Jesus’ death as the atonement of all sins for all men for all time. God has no more wrath for man. However, Hod does still require man to accept his grace and mercy. God has no more need to punish man but if man refuses his mercy and tells God that he prefers punishment, man can still have his punishment that he desires.
@@TheRomans9Guy Here is what God still has wrath for: But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for BECAUSE OF THESE THINGS the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. (Ephesians 5:3-6) Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. BECAUSE OF THESE THINGS the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience. (Colossians 3:5-6) Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, to execute JUDGMENT on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their UNGODLY DEEDS which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him. (Jude 14-15) But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who “will render to each one ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS”: eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but OBEY UNRIGHTEOUSNESS - indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who DOES evil … (Romans 2:5-9) And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS, by the things which were written in the books. The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one ACCORDING TO HIS WORKS. (Revelation 20:12-13)
@@Philagape Yep. Al those quotes are true. God has already forgiven everyone for all of this sins, yet if we do not surrender to his mercy, repent and have faith (i.e. reject God and go on sinning just as all those passages warn against) he will not grant us eternal life. You’re proving my point. Thank you!
So then a person doesn't need to believe in order to be saved? What about repentance? Also not required? Or do the elect automatically believe and repent apart from having any will of their own in the matter. If so, exactly how does that glorify God? It no longer becomes about God's love, mercy, and grace, but rather about His election. Problem is, that's not the picture or example we see in scripture.
yes absolutely, you are saved by grace alone through faith alone, faith is a result of God‘s grace, repentance comes through the hearing of the gospel, as faith comes by hearing. If however, you in your unregenerate state have the ability to freely choose God, then it can no longer be said to be of grace, nor can it be a gift.
@Bill Baehr I don't dispute that. Do you believe that still happens today? If not why bring it up? Obviously that was a unique circumstance and not the norm. The new testament is clear on how someone can be saved and God's design for salvation
@Bill Baehr also, there's no reason to believe that Saul didn't repent and believe in Jesus after encountering Him. No reason to believe that he didn't have a choice in the matter. In fact, in light of the entire new testament it's likely that that's exactly what happened
The simple answer is that the doctrine of Limited Atonement ignores what God's own word declares his character to be. Limited atonement claims that God in eternity past showed partiality to the elect, ignoring every single declaration in the Bible that to show partiality is NOT GOOD.
There is an article on a site called got questions titled “Limited atonement-is it biblical?” Which I believe is worth a read if you have questions on this.
I agree that the whole doctrine rests upon how you define “the elect”. To a greater or lesser degree, that will determine how hard or soft you will be in terms of Calvinism.
If it is on us to say Yes or No to Christ's Atonement, then Christ lied when He said, "It is finished," and thus sinned and could not be the Messiah. Praise God that the Messiah was speaking the truth when He declared it finished!
The audacity of so many who would offer the suggestion that Christ lied when he finished His work according to the Father’s plan but not according to the Calvinist understanding of the fathers plan
Should we remove all scriptures such as John 3:16, Romans 10:9-10. Or try to do a convolution work around. Why did Paul add or write “by grace are you saved through faith” if our faith is essentially immaterial. Perhaps Paul misspoke in Romans 1:16 when he said salvation “to everyone who believes” if my belief has already been decided by God. To me, limited atonement is limited love of God.
Sometimes you can swing so far to the right you leave out RESPONSIBILITY. Its easy to say, Limited Atonement (which I agree with BTW), but its hard to explain man's responsibility. God uses the preaching of the WORD to save- "How can they believe unless someone preaches to them.".... This was suppose to be an explanation to an Arminian- Makes me wonder if he engages these folks in daily life? Reinterating limited atonement is only going to stoke the fire, not help the arminian understand.
Stephen Nichols is correct, taking for granted that Cakvinism is the supreme truth. Election saved you before the foundation of the world. Nothing else that has ever happened after that point in eternity past matters. The elect have never been in danger. Limited Atonement? Even better for you calvinists: Unnecesary Atonement. You calvinists were never lost. You were never in danger. Jesus didn't save you. Election saved you. It's great to be a calvinist! Super Special!
Forgiveness God said many times that He would forgive, and He forgave (past tense), long before Jesus was born. Many texts could be listed. The following are just a few of these: “If my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and WILL FORGIVE their sin.” 2 Chronicles 7:14 “I acknowledged my sin to you, and I did not cover my iniquity; I said, “I will confess my transgressions to the LORD,” and YOU FORGAVE the iniquity of my sin.” Psalm 32:5 “Their heart was not right with him, neither were they steadfast in his covenant. But he, being full of compassion, FORGAVE their iniquity, and destroyed them not: yea, many a time turned he his anger away, and did not stir up all his wrath. For he remembered that they were but flesh.” Psalm 78:37-39 “YOU FORGAVE the iniquity of your people; you covered all their sin.” Psalm 85:2 “LORD our God, you answered them; you were to Israel a FORGIVING God, though you punished their misdeeds.” Psalm 99:8 NIV “Who is a God like you, PARDONING iniquity and passing over transgression for the remnant of his inheritance? He does not retain his anger forever, because he delights in steadfast love.” Micah 7:18 “Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; let him return to the LORD, that he may have compassion on him, and to our God, for he will abundantly PARDON.” Isaiah 55:7 Basic logic tells us that a complete payment cancels forgiveness, and complete forgiveness voids any demand for payment. You cannot forgive a debt that has already been paid, and you do not need to pay a debt that has been forgiven. Forgiveness is granted because a debt has NOT been paid, not after the payment has been made! Forgiveness that can be bought or sold is not true forgiveness. If you think that you or a third party can purchase genuine forgiveness, you do not understand forgiveness! We humans can forgive others when they sin against us. To claim that God could not do a good thing that we can do is to make us more moral than God. PSA’s "infinite justice” claim has God incapable of truly forgiving us without first getting a proxy payment by murder and blood. How can that be genuine forgiveness? If someone says, “I forgive you,” you assume it is done right then, not secretly projecting it into a nebulous future when a payment will eventually be made by someone else. Secretly projecting the act of forgiving into the distant future would be considered deceptive. For a deep dive into this topic, look for the book entitled “Atonement and Reconciliation” by Kevin George
This is only one way of looking at soteriology, this was not a doctrine until the 1500s. You don't have to believe this exact way to be a Christian. This is a debated topic.
you do choose, but holy God first changes your heart and your mind and the faith to believe and thus, the new birth. without the change that only God can do, you will remain dead in your trespasses and unable to choose. if you do choose to live your life through faith for holy Jesus, then you have been born again. because unless you are born again you cannot see the kingdom of God. you will know. the Holy Spirit will reveal this to you, as He will be residing in you.
The apostles told people to repent and believe the gospel, not to choose Jesus. The reformed understanding is that through the preaching of the gospel, the Holy Spirit works in the hearts of the unregenerate elect, and make them willing to accept Christ as Savior, see Acts 2:14-37 Acts 16 13-15 acts 8:17-39
@@1Whipperin Bill, I did not say that the preaching of the gospel is the only means by which the unregenerate are brought to saving faith, please, don’t miss represent me.
Matthew 7: 13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, AND THERE ARE FEW WHO FIND IT. The L in T.U.L.P. Stands for “Limited Atonement” it is a Mistranslation from Dutch to English. Dutch is the original linguist in which the 5 articles of the Contra Remonstrant were written. It was a response on the 5 articles of the remonstrant written in 1610 by the Arminian Uittenbogaard . He wrote the 5 articles that the synod of Dordrecht 1618 - 1619 opposed to. There were 62 Dutch delegates, and 27 foreign delegates representing eight countries. The word which Uittenbogaard used means: “Particular Atonement” and Christ Died particularly for every person of the whole world. Which is borderline to universal redemption. The Synod upheld the Sufficiency of the dead Of Christ for the whole World and if it was for 1000 worlds, but opposed the idea of Particular redemption for every person ever born. At the time that this controversy on the Synod of Dodrecht Calvin had already Died in 1564, and had nothing to do with it. The true meaning of limited attonement is stated in these articles that were written and put together by the delegates of the Synod to explain the Atonement Of Christ. 2-3. This death of the Son of God is the only and perfect sacrifice and satisfaction for sins; of infinite power and dignity, abundantly sufficient to atone for the sins of the whole world. 2-4. And this death is therefore of such great power and dignity, because the person who suffered it is not only a truly and utterly holy man, but also the only begotten Son of God, of one eternal and infinite being with the Father and the Holy Ones. Spirit, such as our Savior must be. Moreover, because his death has been attended with the sense of the wrath of God and of the curse which we have deserved by our sins. 2-5. Furthermore, the promise of the gospel is, that whosoever believeth on Christ crucified shall not perish, but have eternal life; which promise to all nations and men, to whom God, according to his good pleasure, sends his gospel, must be proclaimed and presented indiscriminately, with a commandment of repentance and faith. 2-6. But that many, being called by the gospel, repent not, neither believe in Christ, but perish in unbelief, this is not for want or insufficiency of the sacrifice of Christ offered on the cross, but through their own unbelief. COMMENTARIES OF JOHN CALVIN ON THE BIBLE. “He makes this favor common to all, because it is propounded to all, and not because it is in reality extended to all; for though Christ suffered for the sins of the whole world, and is offered through God’s benignity indiscriminately to all, yet all do not receive him.” [Calvin’s Commentary on Romans 5:18] Nevertheless, forasmuch as it is not in us to discern between the righteous and the sinners that go to destruction, but that Jesus Christ has suffered His death and passion as well for them as for us, therefore it behoves us to labour to bring every man to salvation, that the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ may be available to them ...” [Sermon CXVI on the Book of Job (31:29-32)] “The word many is not put definitely for a fixed number, but for a large number; for he contrasts himself with all others. And in this sense it is used in Romans 5:15, where Paul does not speak of any part of men, but embraces the whole human race.” [Calvin’s Commentary on Matthew 20:28] “For he intended expressly to state [in John 3:16] that, though we appear to have been born to death, undoubted deliverance is offered to us by the faith of Christ; and, therefore, that we ought not to fear death, which otherwise hangs over us. And he has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers. Such is also the import of the term World, which he formerly used; for though nothing will be found in the world that is worthy of the favour of God, YET HE SHOWS HIMSELF TO BE RECONCILED TO THE WHOLE WORLD, when he invites all men without exception to faith in Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life.” (Calvin’s Commentary on the Gospel of John)
Thanks for this. I don't fully disagree with this but the passage in Matthew 7 is not about salvation and many Christians make this mistake. Or at least I see it as a big mistake in understanding. Nowhere in the passage is salvation mentioned. In fact, biblically it's more consistent to choose life and death with our mortality, than salvation. There are many, things we do that lead to our destruction but only a few ways to life. Many lies we can tell but only 1 truth. Many ways to be unfaithful but only 1 way to be faithful. Many ways to eat poorly, few ways to eat healthily, etc. It's the "few who find it" part that has always caused issues in connection with salvation. If only a few people find salvation because GOD has predestined it and therefore predestined that most people should go to Hell then all the verses like "For GOD so loved the world..." is a lie. If GOD has predestined a select few and people need Him to regenerate them first then can GOD really say He loves the whole world? I don't. And if salvation is by Free will and only a few people find Jesus and most go to Hell then is GOD incompetent? 2 Peter 3: 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. If GOD knows everything and where everyone is going and there are only a few who find Jesus for salvation then either GOD does not love the whole world if He's predestined the "elect" or He's incompetent by seeming to act slowly "not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." With the result being that only a few choose to be saved through Jesus and most people will choose Hell. I also think that many Christians have a poor understanding of Hell and life after death that we don't see GOD's saving power but we see man's limiting perspective that puts GOD in a box. Based on this writing I would ask Calvin "When" -YET HE SHOWS HIMSELF TO BE RECONCILED TO THE WHOLE WORLD, when he invites all men without exception to faith in Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life.” By when does GOD invite all men without exception to faith in Christ? Many if not most Christians today believe that when you die mortally without Jesus then you are immediately sent to an eternal Hell. This belief is not biblical. It isn't in the OT and it's not in the NT. Eternal Hell is mentioned in the NT in regard to Judgment Day in the future, not when people die Rev 20. And this belief causes a lot of internal contradictions. For example, the almost 4000 years before Jesus billions if not trillions of people died so did GOD by not sending Jesus until almost 4000 years after Adam cause most of humanity to go to Hell? How about Romans 11 where the LORD has blinded the Jewish people to the knowledge of who the Messiah is for almost 2000 years. Where the LORD says the son is not going to be punished for the sins of the father. If the Jews rejected or sinned against the LORD in the first century then why has the blindness lasted 2000 years? Did GOD by withholding the knowledge of Jesus from the Jewish people choose to send them all to hell for eternity? See problematic. In my opinion, Christians (including myself at times) make the bible way too complicated sometimes and believe so many things that end up creating internal conflicts. The problem is we don't really question these doctrines. I think we are afraid. I think for many they'd rather believe a false answer than no answer. Take care.
@@mbfrommb3699 The chapter is about salvation Matth, 7: 21 Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth my Father’s will which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not by thy Name prophesied, and by thy name cast out devils? and by thy name done many great works?
@@mbfrommb3699 It is clear in Luke 13: 23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that shall be saved? And he said unto them, 24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. Read the Chapter.
@@MariusVanWoerden Ok. However, the passage we are talking about contradicts the Biblical narrative. This is why I specifically talked about the "few will find it" Romans 11, Revelation 7 (which is preceded by the events of Ezekiel 38:23 where the LORD reveals Himself to the world, and Revelation 14 all speak of massive global or national salvation. These references are not of few people being saved. I don't disagree with the passage you referenced being about salvation although I'd argue it too contradicts limited atonement.
I hold on to classical Sufficient for all, Efficient for the Elect. I also don't deny that Christ died to save the elect. At the same time I also say that Christ died for everyone though not everyone will be saved
I agree with you. Those who are not saved chose not to be saved. All humanity has free will. God calls us to Him and we have the choice as to whether we want to come to Him or not. He is not pushy, He leaves the choice up to each person separately. The answer is yes or no. We as individuals decide where our eternal home will be. Choose Jesus, live an eternity in heaven with God, choose to say no t Jesus' calling, we spend eternity in hell.
It is not your interpretation. Only scripture can interpret scripture. Rom.8:30 Moreover whom HE predestined, these HE also called; whom HE called, these HE also justified, and whom HE justified, these HE also glorified...2 Tim. 1:9 God, who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, NOT according to our works, but according to HIS own purpose and grace which was given to us in CHRIST JESUS before time began,...Ephesians. 1:4 just as HE chose us in HIM before the foundation of the world...
@@joannpoteete5496 I disagree with you on human free will. By nature, due to Adam's sin, our free will is limited to choices of evil. We cannot choose God because we are not inclined to God.
I would teach them: "For God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten Son, that whoever believes..." "Whoever" doesn't mean all of them, does it? Does "whoever" mean only the smart ones? Or the humble ones? or the good looking ones?
The Greek reads.... (all the believing one.)😊 I don't believe that sounds all too bad. They Probably should have left it that way instead of trying to make it sound proper to our ears. I Didn't know if you knew this, Just thought I'd Try to help. God bless.😊
I believe that I'm elect, saved by grace through faith, and that is a gift from God. However, the atonement Christ provided by His death is far above the sins of every man who has ever lived x infinity. That's why Peter wrote; There will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them. 2 Peter 2:1. So atonement is not limited. it's perfect and complete. However, God will save only those He has chosen. If He didn't choose, no one would be saved, and most certainly never an evil guy like me.
The unregenerate will not "choose" eternal life of their own accord. God must awaken them first before they can understand their desperate need of a Saviour.
@@ofaoilleachainif Ephesians 1 has exactly the same meaning to you if you leave out the multiple repetitions of the phrase “in Christ”, then it’s you that hasn’t understood the chapter.
1 John 2:22 “He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world” 1 Timothy 2:4-6 "Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man Corinthians 5:14-15 “For Christ's love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died. And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again.” John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. Romans 5:18 “Therefore as by the offense of one judgment came on all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came on all men to justification of life.” 1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. With all of these verses and others it seems clear that Jesus died for everyone. This man didn't quote scripture until the video was almost over and he only quoted a selected prooftext that doesn't even mention limited atonement. There is no verse in the Bible that teaches limited atonement but many that teach against it. Stephen started the video stating all his presuppositions about election and then tries to use the Bible to explain it. No wonder he is wrong.
Christ did not atone (pay the penalty for sin and appease the righteous wrath of God) for ALL people in the World. Otherwise no one would be going to Hell! He paid the price for sin only for His elect. And all those who come to Him in saving faith are those who are elect. Because the Holy Spirit has regenerated their heart to believe the Good News of the Gospel.
If Jesus died for EVERYONE why do people wind up in Hell? If People who have gone to Hell cannot have choose Christ bc his spirit wasn’t in them. It means if Jesus died for everyone who doesn’t have a chance to accept Christ without his spirit due to total deprivation then Hell just doesn’t exist because everyone would then go to heaven. Which obviously is false
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: John 10:27 KJV How do we become Jesus' sheep? Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24 KJV Calvinism and Arminianism are both not Biblical. I encourage everyone to read the Bible for themselves. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV
False doctrine with no support from the scripture. You think there is support because you do not study the scripture hard enough. Here I give you an example: many use Matthew 1:21 as proof verse for Limited Atonement. They said Jesus Christ died only for His people. They interpreted “his people” to be the church. Have you asked these questions below? If not that is the prove that you have not being diligent in your studies of the Bible! 1. Why is the interpretation “his people” to be the church? Anyone do not know that Israel is God’s people in the Old Testament? Therefore, there are two groups of people who fits “his people”. 2. Why did Jesus Christ primarily minister to the Jews only, after His resurrection then the commission to evangelize the world? 3. So is this time (when the angel proclaim the gospel in Matthew 1:21) in the New Testament or Old Testament? When you find out the questions above, you will have no doubt the atonement is unlimited!
Calvinists do not believe in Total Depravity though they claim to believe in TULIP and build their own doctrines around this basic doctrine. This is the proof: if they truly believe in man’s total depravity how could they fall into the most fundamental of what is good and evil? It is the evil of man to want fellow men to be in hell!
4:00 Well, BIBLICALLY, the mission was to make us all forgiven. Which he did. Romans 5:18. Important to be accurate here or you could end up with hideous, blasphemous teaching like Calvinism.
Calvinism versus Arminianism, versus ... This sort of manmade competition is divisive. Folks, fellow believers, Christ taught neither. So let's follow Christ, the Bible and the Holy Spirit.
Saying you’re aligned with a certain theological belief system doesn’t mean you’re saying “I am on Calvin”! or “I am of Arminius”. It just helps people who are curious to understand what you believe. And theology does matter.. what you believe about God and His works matters to Him. Might I point out that by saying “Christ taught neither, let’s follow Christ, the Bible and the Holy Spirit” you are both taking a theological stance opposed to these two viewpoints, and you make it sound like someone such as Stephen Nichols in this video is not seeking to follow Christ, the Bible, and the Holy Spirit. Did Nichols not say in the video, that what he believes about the word of God with regard to Christ’s saving work is represented by this particular theological view?
So the next question that comes from an Armenian's mouth is this, then why does he send the "unelected" to hell? I always use the Potter vs. clay analogy here, is their a better argument to use?
Because all have sinned, we deserve hell, it's as simple as that. If God saves someone, it's mercy, if God sends someone to hell for sinning against Him, it's justice.
This is a philosophy, or worldview, far removed from Scripture. I’m shocked by the false logic used… that if I have to do something such as believe or accept, then Jesus’ work was incomplete and He left His mission undone, and that I have to finish it. This is false teaching, not in line with the true gospel. Paul said that any other gospel than the one he’d taught is false. The illustration Jesus gave of the serpent on the pole is clear. God told Moses to set it up so that any of the people could just look at it and be delivered. God provided a way of salvation and made it so simple for them. The assertion being made by the speaker here is that if the people needed to look at it, then Moses failed to do what God said. It’s flawed thinking and false teaching.
No sense talking to them. They have Moses and the Prophets. If they do not believe them they will not believe even if one rises from the dead. Stop.falling into their self righteous cult trap of making it up to humans to save people. It's up to God.
Thank you, Stephen Nichols, for your clear exposition of the doctrine of limited atonement. 🙂
I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.
I have never met you but I see you here every morning. God bless you for keeping up the struggle. May God bless you with strength to endure.
No matter what you are going through right now, God will get you through it. We are praying for everyone reading this! ✝️
Only if your chosen….🤷🏼♂️
Wonderful. It is always refreshing and calls for shouts of gratitude every time I hear these truths.
Hi Brother! How about that. It's marvelous! Thank You for making the Blible clear in this subject. Very well done; and it's definitly true. God bless you, and as well the Ligonier Ministries.
If they are meant to be saved; they will be. If they're not meant to be saved; they won't be.
thank you for the insight and clarity!
Hawayu Ligonier Ministries *& I Appreciate Pst. Stephen Nicols 4 Answering This Powerful, Blessful, Deep Question on "How Would Yu Explain The Doctrine of Limited Atonement 2 An Arminian ?"4 I Would Tell The Arminian That God Commandeth His Love Toward Us That While We Were Yet Still Sinners, Christ Died 4 Us Where Our Great LORD Jesus Christ Did Not Come 2 Condemn The World; But The World Thru Him Might Be Saved 4 My Sheep Know My Voice & I Know Them & They Follow Me Written In Romans 5:8, John 3:17 & John 10:27 Where What Pst. Stephen Nicols Has Explained Is Veryyyyyy, Veryyyyyy Ryt One 💯%* & May Our Great Almighty God Bless Yu Ligonier Ministries & Pst. Stephen Nicols So Veryyyyyy, Veryyyyyy Much.🙏🙏🕊️🕊️🕊️
I catch myself trying to call it "The Remonstrous." Thank you for the simple explanation.
Amen brother!!!🙏❤️.
"For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee." Titus 2:11-15
"Jesus did not come to make us savable, he came to save us" awesome. (Is "savable" a word?)
Truly spoken.
What a simplistic answer! Why not speak of the intra-conversation at Dort between those calvinists like James Usher and John Davenant who believed that the atonement is also unlimited in a sense? Wouldn’t that help the Arminians a bit? This is why short videos like these are both helpful and unhelpful.
How would you explain the doctrine of limited atonement to Saint Polycarp, student of Saint John the Beloved or Saint Ireneaus?
Amen, brother!
"It is accomplished!"
Amen
Last words of Jesus on the cross tetelestai....It is Finished!
This video should have more views.
Here's how I would explain it:
We all deserve the wrath of God. On the cross, Jesus propitiated the wrath of God; He satisfied it on our behalf. He took it all.
Therefore, for all those He died for, there is no more wrath, for anything. It is finished; it is paid in full.
Therefore, for all those He died for, there will be no hell, for hell is the wrath of God.
Therefore, if He died for all humanity, then no one would be in hell.
That leaves only two options: limited atonement, or universalism.
Well, your logic is faulty and there’s more than 2 options than just universalism or limited atonement. Unlimited atonement is correct. God accepted Jesus’ death as the atonement of all sins for all men for all time. God has no more wrath for man. However, Hod does still require man to accept his grace and mercy. God has no more need to punish man but if man refuses his mercy and tells God that he prefers punishment, man can still have his punishment that he desires.
@@TheRomans9Guy Here is what God still has wrath for:
But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for BECAUSE OF THESE THINGS the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. (Ephesians 5:3-6)
Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. BECAUSE OF THESE THINGS the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience.
(Colossians 3:5-6)
Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, to execute JUDGMENT on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their UNGODLY DEEDS which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him. (Jude 14-15)
But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who “will render to each one ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS”: eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but OBEY UNRIGHTEOUSNESS - indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who DOES evil … (Romans 2:5-9)
And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS, by the things which were written in the books. The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one ACCORDING TO HIS WORKS. (Revelation 20:12-13)
@@Philagape Yep. Al those quotes are true. God has already forgiven everyone for all of this sins, yet if we do not surrender to his mercy, repent and have faith (i.e. reject God and go on sinning just as all those passages warn against) he will not grant us eternal life. You’re proving my point. Thank you!
So then a person doesn't need to believe in order to be saved? What about repentance? Also not required? Or do the elect automatically believe and repent apart from having any will of their own in the matter. If so, exactly how does that glorify God? It no longer becomes about God's love, mercy, and grace, but rather about His election. Problem is, that's not the picture or example we see in scripture.
yes absolutely, you are saved by grace alone through faith alone, faith is a result of God‘s grace, repentance comes through the hearing of the gospel, as faith comes by hearing. If however, you in your unregenerate state have the ability to freely choose God, then it can no longer be said to be of grace, nor can it be a gift.
@E.T.H. So no one ever needs to be instructed or told to repent and believe. Correct?
@Bill Baehr Jesus confronted Saul on the road to Damascus, and Saul wisely surrendered His life to Christ. I don't see your point. Respectfully
@Bill Baehr I don't dispute that. Do you believe that still happens today? If not why bring it up? Obviously that was a unique circumstance and not the norm. The new testament is clear on how someone can be saved and God's design for salvation
@Bill Baehr also, there's no reason to believe that Saul didn't repent and believe in Jesus after encountering Him. No reason to believe that he didn't have a choice in the matter. In fact, in light of the entire new testament it's likely that that's exactly what happened
The simple answer is that the doctrine of Limited Atonement ignores what God's own word declares his character to be. Limited atonement claims that God in eternity past showed partiality to the elect, ignoring every single declaration in the Bible that to show partiality is NOT GOOD.
There is an article on a site called got questions titled “Limited atonement-is it biblical?” Which I believe is worth a read if you have questions on this.
I agree that the whole doctrine rests upon how you define “the elect”. To a greater or lesser degree, that will determine how hard or soft you will be in terms of Calvinism.
If it is on us to say Yes or No to Christ's Atonement, then Christ lied when He said, "It is finished," and thus sinned and could not be the Messiah. Praise God that the Messiah was speaking the truth when He declared it finished!
The audacity of so many who would offer the suggestion that Christ lied when he finished His work according to the Father’s plan but not according to the Calvinist understanding of the fathers plan
Should we remove all scriptures such as John 3:16, Romans 10:9-10. Or try to do a convolution work around. Why did Paul add or write “by grace are you saved through faith” if our faith is essentially immaterial. Perhaps Paul misspoke in Romans 1:16 when he said salvation “to everyone who believes” if my belief has already been decided by God. To me, limited atonement is limited love of God.
Sometimes you can swing so far to the right you leave out RESPONSIBILITY. Its easy to say, Limited Atonement (which I agree with BTW), but its hard to explain man's responsibility. God uses the preaching of the WORD to save- "How can they believe unless someone preaches to them.".... This was suppose to be an explanation to an Arminian- Makes me wonder if he engages these folks in daily life? Reinterating limited atonement is only going to stoke the fire, not help the arminian understand.
Exactly
Yeah he’s preaching to the Calvinist choir, not Arminians
How would you explain the doctrine of limited atonement to Saint Athanasius?
Stephen Nichols is correct, taking for granted that Cakvinism is the supreme truth. Election saved you before the foundation of the world. Nothing else that has ever happened after that point in eternity past matters. The elect have never been in danger. Limited Atonement? Even better for you calvinists: Unnecesary Atonement. You calvinists were never lost. You were never in danger. Jesus didn't save you. Election saved you. It's great to be a calvinist! Super Special!
Forgiveness
God said many times that He would forgive, and He forgave (past tense), long before Jesus was born. Many texts could be listed. The following are just a few of these:
“If my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and WILL FORGIVE their sin.” 2 Chronicles 7:14
“I acknowledged my sin to you, and I did not cover my iniquity; I said, “I will confess my transgressions to the LORD,” and YOU FORGAVE the iniquity of my sin.” Psalm 32:5
“Their heart was not right with him, neither were they steadfast in his covenant. But he, being full of compassion, FORGAVE their iniquity, and destroyed them not: yea, many a time turned he his anger away, and did not stir up all his wrath. For he remembered that they were but flesh.” Psalm 78:37-39
“YOU FORGAVE the iniquity of your people; you covered all their sin.” Psalm 85:2
“LORD our God, you answered them; you were to Israel a FORGIVING God, though you punished their misdeeds.” Psalm 99:8 NIV
“Who is a God like you, PARDONING iniquity and passing over transgression for the remnant of his inheritance? He does not retain his anger forever, because he delights in steadfast love.” Micah 7:18
“Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; let him return to the LORD, that he may have compassion on him, and to our God, for he will abundantly PARDON.” Isaiah 55:7
Basic logic tells us that a complete payment cancels forgiveness, and complete forgiveness voids any demand for payment. You cannot forgive a debt that has already been paid, and you do not need to pay a debt that has been forgiven. Forgiveness is granted because a debt has NOT been paid, not after the payment has been made!
Forgiveness that can be bought or sold is not true forgiveness. If you think that you or a third party can purchase genuine forgiveness, you do not understand forgiveness!
We humans can forgive others when they sin against us. To claim that God could not do a good thing that we can do is to make us more moral than God.
PSA’s "infinite justice” claim has God incapable of truly forgiving us without first getting a proxy payment by murder and blood. How can that be genuine forgiveness?
If someone says, “I forgive you,” you assume it is done right then, not secretly projecting it into a nebulous future when a payment will eventually be made by someone else. Secretly projecting the act of forgiving into the distant future would be considered deceptive.
For a deep dive into this topic, look for the book entitled “Atonement and Reconciliation” by Kevin George
Then why do we have to choose to place our faith in Christ? I'm confused.
This is only one way of looking at soteriology, this was not a doctrine until the 1500s. You don't have to believe this exact way to be a Christian. This is a debated topic.
The point is that what is expected of you in your salvific relationship with God is that you are faithful.
you do choose, but holy God first changes your heart and your mind and the faith to believe and thus, the new birth.
without the change that only God can do, you will remain dead in your trespasses and unable to choose.
if you do choose to live your life through faith for holy Jesus, then you have been born again.
because unless you are born again you cannot see the kingdom of God.
you will know. the Holy Spirit will reveal this to you, as He will be residing in you.
The apostles told people to repent and believe the gospel, not to choose Jesus. The reformed understanding is that through the preaching of the gospel, the Holy Spirit works in the hearts of the unregenerate elect, and make them willing to accept Christ as Savior, see Acts 2:14-37
Acts 16 13-15
acts 8:17-39
@@1Whipperin Bill, I did not say that the preaching of the gospel is the only means by which the unregenerate are brought to saving faith, please, don’t miss represent me.
Matthew 7: 13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, AND THERE ARE FEW WHO FIND IT.
The L in T.U.L.P. Stands for “Limited Atonement” it is a Mistranslation from Dutch to English. Dutch is the original linguist in which the 5 articles of the Contra Remonstrant were written. It was a response on the 5 articles of the remonstrant written in 1610 by the Arminian Uittenbogaard . He wrote the 5 articles that the synod of Dordrecht 1618 - 1619 opposed to. There were 62 Dutch delegates, and 27 foreign delegates representing eight countries.
The word which Uittenbogaard used means: “Particular Atonement” and Christ Died particularly for every person of the whole world. Which is borderline to universal redemption. The Synod upheld the Sufficiency of the dead Of Christ for the whole World and if it was for 1000 worlds, but opposed the idea of Particular redemption for every person ever born. At the time that this controversy on the Synod of Dodrecht Calvin had already Died in 1564, and had nothing to do with it.
The true meaning of limited attonement is stated in these articles that were written and put together by the delegates of the Synod to explain the Atonement Of Christ.
2-3. This death of the Son of God is the only and perfect sacrifice and satisfaction for sins; of infinite power and dignity, abundantly sufficient to atone for the sins of the whole world.
2-4. And this death is therefore of such great power and dignity, because the person who suffered it is not only a truly and utterly holy man, but also the only begotten Son of God, of one eternal and infinite being with the Father and the Holy Ones. Spirit, such as our Savior must be. Moreover, because his death has been attended with the sense of the wrath of God and of the curse which we have deserved by our sins.
2-5. Furthermore, the promise of the gospel is, that whosoever believeth on Christ crucified shall not perish, but have eternal life; which promise to all nations and men, to whom God, according to his good pleasure, sends his gospel, must be proclaimed and presented indiscriminately, with a commandment of repentance and faith.
2-6. But that many, being called by the gospel, repent not, neither believe in Christ, but perish in unbelief, this is not for want or insufficiency of the sacrifice of Christ offered on the cross, but through their own unbelief.
COMMENTARIES OF JOHN CALVIN ON THE BIBLE.
“He makes this favor common to all, because it is propounded to all, and not because it is in reality extended to all; for though Christ suffered for the sins of the whole world, and is offered through God’s benignity indiscriminately to all, yet all do not receive him.” [Calvin’s Commentary on Romans 5:18]
Nevertheless, forasmuch as it is not in us to discern between the righteous and the sinners that go to destruction, but that Jesus Christ has suffered His death and passion as well for them as for us, therefore it behoves us to labour to bring every man to salvation, that the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ may be available to them ...” [Sermon CXVI on the Book of Job (31:29-32)]
“The word many is not put definitely for a fixed number, but for a large number; for he contrasts himself with all others. And in this sense it is used in Romans 5:15, where Paul does not speak of any part of men, but embraces the whole human race.” [Calvin’s Commentary on Matthew 20:28]
“For he intended expressly to state [in John 3:16] that, though we appear to have been born to death, undoubted deliverance is offered to us by the faith of Christ; and, therefore, that we ought not to fear death, which otherwise hangs over us. And he has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers. Such is also the import of the term World, which he formerly used; for though nothing will be found in the world that is worthy of the favour of God, YET HE SHOWS HIMSELF TO BE RECONCILED TO THE WHOLE WORLD, when he invites all men without exception to faith in Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life.” (Calvin’s Commentary on the Gospel of John)
Thanks for this. I don't fully disagree with this but the passage in Matthew 7 is not about salvation and many Christians make this mistake. Or at least I see it as a big mistake in understanding. Nowhere in the passage is salvation mentioned. In fact, biblically it's more consistent to choose life and death with our mortality, than salvation.
There are many, things we do that lead to our destruction but only a few ways to life. Many lies we can tell but only 1 truth. Many ways to be unfaithful but only 1 way to be faithful. Many ways to eat poorly, few ways to eat healthily, etc.
It's the "few who find it" part that has always caused issues in connection with salvation.
If only a few people find salvation because GOD has predestined it and therefore predestined that most people should go to Hell then all the verses like "For GOD so loved the world..." is a lie.
If GOD has predestined a select few and people need Him to regenerate them first then can GOD really say He loves the whole world? I don't.
And if salvation is by Free will and only a few people find Jesus and most go to Hell then is GOD incompetent?
2 Peter 3: 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
If GOD knows everything and where everyone is going and there are only a few who find Jesus for salvation then either GOD does not love the whole world if He's predestined the "elect" or He's incompetent by seeming to act slowly "not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." With the result being that only a few choose to be saved through Jesus and most people will choose Hell.
I also think that many Christians have a poor understanding of Hell and life after death that we don't see GOD's saving power but we see man's limiting perspective that puts GOD in a box.
Based on this writing I would ask Calvin "When" -YET HE SHOWS HIMSELF TO BE RECONCILED TO THE WHOLE WORLD, when he invites all men without exception to faith in Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life.”
By when does GOD invite all men without exception to faith in Christ?
Many if not most Christians today believe that when you die mortally without Jesus then you are immediately sent to an eternal Hell.
This belief is not biblical. It isn't in the OT and it's not in the NT. Eternal Hell is mentioned in the NT in regard to Judgment Day in the future, not when people die Rev 20.
And this belief causes a lot of internal contradictions. For example, the almost 4000 years before Jesus billions if not trillions of people died so did GOD by not sending Jesus until almost 4000 years after Adam cause most of humanity to go to Hell? How about Romans 11 where the LORD has blinded the Jewish people to the knowledge of who the Messiah is for almost 2000 years. Where the LORD says the son is not going to be punished for the sins of the father. If the Jews rejected or sinned against the LORD in the first century then why has the blindness lasted 2000 years? Did GOD by withholding the knowledge of Jesus from the Jewish people choose to send them all to hell for eternity?
See problematic. In my opinion, Christians (including myself at times) make the bible way too complicated sometimes and believe so many things that end up creating internal conflicts. The problem is we don't really question these doctrines. I think we are afraid. I think for many they'd rather believe a false answer than no answer. Take care.
@@mbfrommb3699 The chapter is about salvation Matth, 7: 21 Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth my Father’s will which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not by thy Name prophesied, and by thy name cast out devils? and by thy name done many great works?
@@mbfrommb3699 It is clear in Luke 13: 23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that shall be saved? And he said unto them, 24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. Read the Chapter.
@@MariusVanWoerden Ok. However, the passage we are talking about contradicts the Biblical narrative. This is why I specifically talked about the "few will find it"
Romans 11, Revelation 7 (which is preceded by the events of Ezekiel 38:23 where the LORD reveals Himself to the world, and Revelation 14 all speak of massive global or national salvation. These references are not of few people being saved.
I don't disagree with the passage you referenced being about salvation although I'd argue it too contradicts limited atonement.
@@mbfrommb3699 massive global or national salvation. Where?
Nice!
TULIP is an English language memory aid not much use to non English speaking Dutch.
1 Peter 1:2. Talks about G-d’s foreknowledge
It does, foreknowledge is an act of God, not a passive thought.
I hold on to classical Sufficient for all, Efficient for the Elect.
I also don't deny that Christ died to save the elect.
At the same time I also say that Christ died for everyone though not everyone will be saved
I agree with you. Those who are not saved chose not to be saved. All humanity has free will. God calls us to Him and we have the choice as to whether we want to come to Him or not. He is not pushy, He leaves the choice up to each person separately. The answer is yes or no. We as individuals decide where our eternal home will be. Choose Jesus, live an eternity in heaven with God, choose to say no t Jesus' calling, we spend eternity in hell.
It is not your interpretation. Only scripture can interpret scripture. Rom.8:30 Moreover whom HE predestined, these HE also called; whom HE called, these HE also justified, and whom HE justified, these HE also glorified...2 Tim. 1:9 God, who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, NOT according to our works, but according to HIS own purpose and grace which was given to us in CHRIST JESUS before time began,...Ephesians. 1:4 just as HE chose us in HIM before the foundation of the world...
@@joannpoteete5496 I disagree with you on human free will.
By nature, due to Adam's sin, our free will is limited to choices of evil. We cannot choose God because we are not inclined to God.
I would teach them God so loved the world that he sent his son to die for some of them
I would teach them: "For God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten Son, that whoever believes..." "Whoever" doesn't mean all of them, does it? Does "whoever" mean only the smart ones? Or the humble ones? or the good looking ones?
The Greek reads....
(all the believing one.)😊
I don't believe that sounds all too bad. They Probably should have left it that way instead of trying to make it sound proper to our ears. I Didn't know if you knew this, Just thought I'd Try to help. God bless.😊
@@tjhoss6729 It does help. Thank you.
It means the elect ones.
I believe that I'm elect, saved by grace through faith, and that is a gift from God.
However, the atonement Christ provided by His death is far above the sins of every man who has ever lived x infinity.
That's why Peter wrote;
There will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them. 2 Peter 2:1.
So atonement is not limited. it's perfect and complete. However, God will save only those He has chosen. If He didn't choose, no one would be saved, and most certainly never an evil guy like me.
Couldn’t Jesus complete the mission of opening the gates of heaven to those who choose to accept, by faith, his work?
So our salvation depends on a choice we make? I don't see that in Scripture. Read Ephesians 1 and 2
The unregenerate will not "choose" eternal life of their own accord. God must awaken them first before they can understand their desperate need of a Saviour.
@@ofaoilleachainif Ephesians 1 has exactly the same meaning to you if you leave out the multiple repetitions of the phrase “in Christ”, then it’s you that hasn’t understood the chapter.
The Remonstrance
Remonstrants
Isn't the Remonstrance the object Catholics hold the exposed (on display) host/eucharist?
@@Maria_O monstrance
1 John 2:22
“He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world”
1 Timothy 2:4-6
"Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth."
For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,
Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man
Corinthians 5:14-15
“For Christ's love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died. And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again.”
John 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Romans 5:18
“Therefore as by the offense of one judgment came on all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came on all men to justification of
life.”
1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
With all of these verses and others it seems clear that Jesus died for everyone. This man didn't quote scripture until the video was almost over and he only quoted a selected prooftext that doesn't even mention limited atonement. There is no verse in the Bible that teaches limited atonement but many that teach against it. Stephen started the video stating all his presuppositions about election and then tries to use the Bible to explain it. No wonder he is wrong.
Actually that is how you would explain it to a young Calvinist, not an Arminian.
Christ did not atone (pay the penalty for sin and appease the righteous wrath of God) for ALL people in the World. Otherwise no one would be going to Hell! He paid the price for sin only for His elect. And all those who come to Him in saving faith are those who are elect. Because the Holy Spirit has regenerated their heart to believe the Good News of the Gospel.
You are point blank saying that if Christ died for your sins then you are saved (can’t go to hell). Am I understanding you correctly?
If Jesus died for EVERYONE why do people wind up in Hell? If People who have gone to Hell cannot have choose Christ bc his spirit wasn’t in them. It means if Jesus died for everyone who doesn’t have a chance to accept Christ without his spirit due to total deprivation then Hell just doesn’t exist because everyone would then go to heaven. Which obviously is false
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
John 10:27 KJV
How do we become Jesus' sheep?
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
John 5:24 KJV
Calvinism and Arminianism are both not Biblical.
I encourage everyone to read the Bible for themselves.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast.
Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV
False doctrine with no support from the scripture. You think there is support because you do not study the scripture hard enough. Here I give you an example: many use Matthew 1:21 as proof verse for Limited Atonement. They said Jesus Christ died only for His people. They interpreted “his people” to be the church. Have you asked these questions below? If not that is the prove that you have not being diligent in your studies of the Bible!
1. Why is the interpretation “his people” to be the church? Anyone do not know that Israel is God’s people in the Old Testament? Therefore, there are two groups of people who fits “his people”.
2. Why did Jesus Christ primarily minister to the Jews only, after His resurrection then the commission to evangelize the world?
3. So is this time (when the angel proclaim the gospel in Matthew 1:21) in the New Testament or Old Testament?
When you find out the questions above, you will have no doubt the atonement is unlimited!
Calvinists do not believe in Total Depravity though they claim to believe in TULIP and build their own doctrines around this basic doctrine. This is the proof: if they truly believe in man’s total depravity how could they fall into the most fundamental of what is good and evil? It is the evil of man to want fellow men to be in hell!
4:00 Well, BIBLICALLY, the mission was to make us all forgiven. Which he did. Romans 5:18. Important to be accurate here or you could end up with hideous, blasphemous teaching like Calvinism.
That’s easy for a Calvinist, just lie. Let God be God and every man a liar. ☦️🙏🏼📖
Calvinism versus Arminianism, versus ... This sort of manmade competition is divisive.
Folks, fellow believers, Christ taught neither. So let's follow Christ, the Bible and the Holy Spirit.
Amen! Reminds me of Paul exhorting against those saying "I follow Paul! I follow Apollo!" etc.
Of course it’s divisive ? That doesn’t prohibit discussion?
Saying you’re aligned with a certain theological belief system doesn’t mean you’re saying “I am on Calvin”! or “I am of Arminius”. It just helps people who are curious to understand what you believe. And theology does matter.. what you believe about God and His works matters to Him.
Might I point out that by saying “Christ taught neither, let’s follow Christ, the Bible and the Holy Spirit” you are both taking a theological stance opposed to these two viewpoints, and you make it sound like someone such as Stephen Nichols in this video is not seeking to follow Christ, the Bible, and the Holy Spirit. Did Nichols not say in the video, that what he believes about the word of God with regard to Christ’s saving work is represented by this particular theological view?
Wow! This has become just -another cult- that explains the Scriptures away. Romans 1:22
So the next question that comes from an Armenian's mouth is this, then why does he send the "unelected" to hell? I always use the Potter vs. clay analogy here, is their a better argument to use?
Because all have sinned, we deserve hell, it's as simple as that. If God saves someone, it's mercy, if God sends someone to hell for sinning against Him, it's justice.
Just 1 scripture mentioned and that without context. This is a false "doctine".
If atonement is unlimited than you are saying Christ's death wasn't enough to save all those who will go to hell
This is a philosophy, or worldview, far removed from Scripture. I’m shocked by the false logic used… that if I have to do something such as believe or accept, then Jesus’ work was incomplete and He left His mission undone, and that I have to finish it. This is false teaching, not in line with the true gospel. Paul said that any other gospel than the one he’d taught is false. The illustration Jesus gave of the serpent on the pole is clear. God told Moses to set it up so that any of the people could just look at it and be delivered. God provided a way of salvation and made it so simple for them. The assertion being made by the speaker here is that if the people needed to look at it, then Moses failed to do what God said. It’s flawed thinking and false teaching.
Sorry, but no. Jesus did not die just for a "few" but "tasted death for every man(person)".
if so, then everyone's sin has been forgiven and everyone is saved
@@thomasnorton2679 Indeed, now we are listening.
@@cyranodicorvino8308clueless cult rhetoric regurgitator
Typical brianless western revivalist easy believism
You can't explain limited atonement, because there's no such Biblical thing as it.
This is how:
"I am unsaved, blaspheming the Blood of Christ, and on my way to the Devil's Hell."
No sense talking to them. They have Moses and the Prophets. If they do not believe them they will not believe even if one rises from the dead.
Stop.falling into their self righteous cult trap of making it up to humans to save people. It's up to God.