@@ChuckCookeverytime after the turn it asks for the reason of disengagement, because you just turned the wheel or braked. Wouldn't it be better to disengage with stalk / scroll-wheel? Then it treats it as turning off the system rather than disengaging due to some wrong action od the system.
@@ChuckCookwhat if you pulled up the stop sign… and then hit the brakes? Until you saw the amount of traffic you wanted? Then you could test in more scenarios.
@@AlexD-eu2wh Soon he'll just wake up in the morning, talk into his watch and say "Oh! New version! Go test yourself; left turn; 30 minutes; wake me up when you're back."
Pretty sure we are getting close to the end of unprotected left videos. It’s been a pleasure watching these past 4? years! Maybe the next thing is Optimus beekeeping videos!
Chuck, while its not going across urgently, its also giving a good sign to the oncoming from the right that its not going to pull out. There is a balance between the body language of your car to those on the left to those on the right. I haven't seen anything here that is dangerous or needing an intervention. Dare I say this was perfect!
I came to make the same comment. chuck spoke at length about how it felt sluggish getting out of the way of cars approaching from the left. but being too quick would be very uncomfortable for cars approaching from the right. I think it's doing exactly what is skilled human driver would do - time it by crossing as slow as possible, while not getting hit from the left, as to not make drivers from the right panic.
@@dalenorman2005 Its such a fine balance and from Chucks point of view the goal posts have been moving. He is still very concerned with the car getting into the median correctly, which makes sense since over the years it has been hanging out. It has now progressed where we are now concerned about the other side. This is unreal progress and I'm sure with more and more interactions, Chuck will trust the slower drive to the median, knowing what it is doing. I think Chuck does a superb job at conveying what it feels I the car. I have noticed on his longer videos how relaxed he is looking when its driving now. The vast majority of driving is Chuck in chill mode. We are getting so much closer to completion!
I remember when it would struggle just going down a straight road in like version 10, then i forgot about it for a few years, got recommended a video for 12.5, i was absolutely blown away by good it was lol
Chuck, you have helped advance Tesla’s FSD team while keeping fans informed, from the very first iteration of FSD to fully autonomous driving. You’ve been an integral part of this journey. Truly impressive!
An unusually good run, very good sign for v13. Usually major releases are terrible at first and improve quickly. This one is starting out amazingly well.
Well said. The only question is whether they maybe over-trained a little on this specific UPL, i.e. whether it handles other tough situations too. We know the Tesla drivers are an extended part of Chuck's family at this point :)
Exactly! It slowed down as it was crossing the road before the median as there was a) no oncoming traffic from the left and b) there was one oncoming vehicle from the right that it could avoid stopping for if it just slowed down to let it pass first, which is exactly what it did, *before* reaching the median.
Wow, that's like a solid 95% comfort and 100% on safety. Like you said, it's getting pretty nit-picky on preferences rather than anything objectively wrong with the driving. I think there still is a NHTSA stop but it's being allowed to creep in situations where it just needs a few inches to see the road... just like a good human driver would do rather than robotically stopping within inches of the sign and then creeping.
Thanks, Chuck. After watching you and all the others from the sidelines for years, it's my turn to join the revolution. Picking up our first Tesla (a Model Y) tomorrow at Tesla Kennesaw (GA). Anybody need a 2015 Nissan Leaf?
@@1519Spring Congrats! I bet you will enjoy the new Tesla. I Even with my refreshed MS, I feel envious of people who are getting MY with AI4 HW that runs newer FSD SW.
I like the consistent speed. As I approach a vehicle crossing, my preference is that the crossing car has a consistent speed slow or fast. I think they need to pick the middle of fast or slow. To fast will freak vehicle coming from the right and obviously to slow is not good for vehicle from the left. Just one point about 1st world driving mentality. In 3rd world countries with less rules and crappy roads, people comprise their driving self entitlement. “It their fault, I was in my lane and he was going to slow”. That kind of mind set causes vehicle to fall off of as cliff on a 1 1/2 vehicle wide road. We have the widest roads and a ton of rules and still we have head on collisions because the car coming up to a passing car does not move over two feet to avoid an accident. Self driving cars will do what is necessary to avoid an accidental not like us. (I hope so😅) Your videos are always great. Thanks.
I remember watching these and it did it like 1 out of 20...I was worried that progress would stall just below what would be needed for full autonomy, but this fear seems unfounded now! Thanks for your continuous coverage, Chuck!
Chuck, the drone view you have setup is super awesome, it's a nice extra touch for seeing what's going on (better than car mounted cameras by a long shot).
That's great. It feels like we are at the point that it is nearly flawless and we are down to personal driver preference. That personal driver preference will never be the same with every driver so some drivers will always have micro-preferences that are not necessarily better/worse; just different. Good job testing!
First time I watched this completely relaxed. It was always nerve wrecking before. Not just because the car didn't always behave well, but because I'm not seeing to the right, and blindly turning into high-speed traffic is very uncomfortable. But now FSD projects so much confidence that I just trust it.
Yes, along with FSD's improvements Chuck's technology has come a long way. He's got it down now. What a great presentation, I really love watching all the details. Good job!
This was the BEST UPL Video so far. It nailed every single one of them. You mentioned a few times it jumped in front of a car, in the drone view it looked fine however probably because the car behind slowed down.
1:29 if you're not happy with a scenario, I recommend disengaging and sending it in. At this stage, hard disengagements getting less and less, but there's still room for improvement. But they need now more training data than ever for those edge cases.
That was the most impressive handling by FSD I've seen so far. FSD is demonstrating more and more confidence in its handling of difficult situations and making really good choices. Hats off to the Tesla FSD team.
13:47 I wonder if the reason it's jumping out in front of fast moving traffic and causing them a small inconvenience is because you're in Hurry mode? If you were a passenger in a cab you'd want the taxi driver to put pedal to the metal and tuck into those small gaps. It looks like all it's missing is the harsher acceleration, so maybe they're limiting acceleration in software with hard-coded rules at the moment.
13:19 The head lights off vehicle appears to be rendered much later, and the car with the light on morphs out of it appearing in the center lane. Good Catch!
So good to see how it handled those turns. The car is certainly computing timing and distance better than it ever has before. Amazing improvements in the last few months.
11:45 yeah you can see it’s “intent” by looking at that helpful Torque figure that you have displayed. It clearly shows it’s coasting till the other cars pass. I like the way you anthropomorphise the AI decisions because that gives a sense of what the experience seems like to the occupants. Well done and thanks.
@@andrasbiro3007 Do you have experience driving in the winter? Doesn't seem possible based on that comment. I have extensive experience living in New England. The advice people that know best how to drive in snowy/icy conditions is to drive like you have an egg under your foot. I probably would turn right and do a U-turn a quarter mile away if it was snowing. That is what many local residents do in dry conditions at this unprotected left turn.
@@andrasbiro3007 Doubtful but when I get V13.2.x I'll give it a try. Driving in the snow is so different, somewhat of an art form. I can't tell you how many times I've made it to my destination while others have gotten stuck. FSD also will need to find alternate routes that avoid steep hills which is very different then finding regular alternate routes. It will be ok with me if v13.2.x does everything but snowy conditions. And by snowy I mean actively snowing with several inches on the road.
@@edhill8568 It already drives in snow. Not really deep snow, of course. That should be plowed anyway. And AWD helps a lot in snow, and the electric powertrain too. Steep hills should be no problem if you have both of those and good winter tires.
Great video , I was happy with everyone of those upl’s . Even when it pulled out in front of a car I didn’t see that car slow at all. I have had thousands of human drivers pull out on me over the years., this looked far better than all of them. Absolutely amazed at how good it is.
FSD drives as a continuous train of step by step driving decisions that are linked end-to-end. It appears that decisions are slower (less frequent) as the driving conditions and routings become more complex. Having a faster AI processor really helps until you get close to the maximum allowed time between decisions. Then the hesitations return. Can't wait to see how the CT performs. I predict more hesitancy and persistant gitter on high complexity maneuvors (U- turns and complex unprotected left turns) compared to the AI4 Y. If AI4 is having issues, I wonder how AI3 will do. Matrix compression may not be the issue. Some V13 solutions may not be possible on AI3 due to the time required to reach a valid solution on the slower, memory starved AI3 processor. The video limitations of HW3 won't help. At least we are working with the best real-world AI team. A big thanks to Tesla and to the ever growing team of FSD "supervisors".
HUGE improvement! Two things: 1) Another youtuber remarked that HURRY mode really makes a difference in this version. 2) The first left turn looked a bit suspect to me, like I wonder if FSD recognized the single headlight car coming as a car, or thought it was a UAP.
I like Hurry. I think that's why it goes in front of another distant car, as long as it doesn't make it slow down much etc. Can try with different modes so we learn the intricacies over time. Great videos
Thanks, CHuck. Can't wait for 13. I have a 2023 Model S with 12.5.6.3 and have noticed the rendom slowdowns and stops. Sometimes it seems that it sees road repair and it must think it's a break or bump. Also occasionally it's a shadow across the road.
8:42 Notice how the light to your right was red here, so even though the gap was small, it also expected that the oncoming cars needed to slow down anyway (Though the light does end up turning green just before it goes out of our camera view)
At 3:12 as you crept sloooly to the median, the car’s visual mapping showed (incorrectly as compared to the overhead camera) the car that was coming behind it, having to change lanes from the fast lane to the middle lane. To rephrase, the overhead showed that that oncoming car actually was already in the middle lane. 😊😅
I think you need to find another intersection to do this testing on so we can make sure it's not just optimised for this intersection and actually doing this good any where.
It's interesting at about 8:51 how far off it's representing the traffic that's coming from the left as far as what lane they are in, it's showing them both over a full lane from where they are and corrects as they are right about to pass you. As always great video, my only Tesla channel I still follow.
Thanks for the videos Chuck! Multiple times, FSD is forcing cross traffic to slow which is dangerous behavior. Also, we still need to see more videos with other cars in the median because that is where FSD almost consistently gets confused and fails - but I realize, of course, that may be rare to come across.
Fantastic video as always. Don’t have FSD on my Model Y so have to enjoy it vicariously through your videos. Would like to see it automatically take that U-turn you take as part of the circuit. It might provide more insight on gap prediction, distance of oncoming, speed of oncoming estimations. Double the fun! Great job!
The only thing I would ask for is to wait for a larger gap in high speed oncoming traffic when in Chill mode. That would make supervisors and passengers that are not in a hurry feel more safe and comfortable.
Some of the concerns are more due to personal anxiety than the car's actual opportunity selection. This version looks great. Can't wait to stress it in Puerto Rico.
Definitely decisively better. This is the first version where you might think it knows what it's doing. It doesn't quite ensure all margins but much better
Great video! I can’t wait for V13 to drop on my Cybertruck. My wife hates FSD and I am limited to using it while flying solo. The current version is pretty damn good, but it looks like V13 may just be enough to reach my wife’s comfort factor. I’m asking a lot of her because we got involved in a high speed t-bone a year ago (the other person ran a red light and nailed our Jeep on my B pillar). Luckily nobody sustained any serious injuries, but my wife hates being in a car at all. In fact, when she sat in a CT for the first time at a Tesla showroom, she informed me we were putting in the order for it as soon as we got home. I hated plunking down a premium for the Foundation model, but in hindsight, it was worth every Penney. She feels like she is in a tank and it removed most of her car anxieties. I just have to work on her and FSD. Can’t wait until V13 arrives and I get the stink eye when the blue planned path pops up on the screen the first time. 🙂🙂🙂
Chuck and others say that the current FSD 12.X on the CT is NOT as good as the same 12.X on the 3/Y. You'll probably need to wait until CT FSD is as good as 13.2 is on Chuck's MY now (or, after seeing 13:46, maybe even a bit better).
I can understand her fear But you should have convinced her instead of listening to her that the cybertruck is one of the most unsafe vehicles because other vehicles crumble and absorb the damage, while the cyber struck stays the same and the meat bags in the car are the ones that get broken
@@1519Spring I agree. My current version is really good, but I still intervene due to some minor cornering issues and abrupt breaking. It probably isn’t safety related issues more than my own comfort level with the behavior.
Thanks Chuck, awesome display of FSD handling your unprotected left. Interesting, you are noticeably more relaxed and confident in v13 than earlier versions.
It looks so good! Hopefully you are testing the CyberTruck this week! I think the slower roll into the median is intentional for passenger comfort. If it drove to the median to stage but really got on it you would think it was going to go and most likely disengage. They have to walk a very fine line, fast enough to get there but not so fast it scares everyone into thinking the car is not going to stop and stage.
one huge regression I notice is the other car trajectories are all over the place drifting across the median when your car (or the road) is moving. It's like the cars are not actually anchored to the ground when the ground moves around you. Seems like a significant physics road/car object/world coordinate bug.
Watching this as a German is funny. I don't think we have these unprotected left turns anywhere, but I'm surprised about your classification of a "small" gap 😁 We merge into roads where people travel at highway speeds with way tighter gaps - just gotta step on it afterwards!
13:16 actually, they weren’t both being visualized! (Or not all 3 cars, that is) 13:23 notice here, 2 cars enter the visualization from the top, but there are actually 3 oncoming cars next to each other. At 13:24 one of the cars on the screen splits into 2 cars! (Once it realizes the car on the far right didn’t have its headlights on) Essentially, it thought the middle car was in the far right lane, potentially because it was seeing part of the far right car as well. But then it realized that the car with headlights was actually in the middle lane, and that the car parts it was seeing on the far right were actually from a third car!
Thanks Chuck., it’s really looking good. I don’t think NHTSA stops can go away until NHTSA officially ends it. I asked Ashok on X if HW3 will be closer to another month or another year but I’m a relative nobody there so of course got no response. I’m wondering if someone like yourself were to ask, if we could get even a ballpark estimate.
I would imagine HW3 is likely a few months away. I recall reading somewhere that they will simulate v13 to HW3 (so a dumbed down version) for as long as they can.
@@bassdrumflextime1253 That’s definitely true, but you’d be surprised how many humans (civilians and law enforcement alike) run stop signs daily. Hardly anyone comes to a full stop at a stop sign, or if they do, they often go slightly past it.
1:22 & 8:42: Yeah, those were slightly uncomfortable. Think they had to brake a bit in both cases. But HOLY hell that was an impressive showing overall!
Nice test of multiple perfect UPLs, Chuck. I noticed you did all these tests in Hurry mode. Have to ask you to run another in CHILL and in Standard to see if there is any difference, please. Mostly I drive city traffic in CHILL in my AI-4 Model S to avoid aggressive lane changing that tends to trigger road rage. I now use Standard and Hurry for highway driving.
I haven’t read all the comments, but my thought on the roll vs full stop is once the sun was high enough, it was not able to see headlights as well. Strangely, moving headlights may be better for judging approach speed.
FSD is now so far ahead of what we have on HW/AI3. The highway stack specifically is what is sorely lacking, but now so is the level of confidence as evident in FSD 13.2. I predict we won't get any new updates until April (for HW/AI3).
Would you consider testing an unprotected left turn without a median to pause in? It would be an even more challenging scenario, and I'm curious to see how FSD would handle it. Thank you for considering this!
Nice test. It appeared to me that as the car approached the main road if there weren’t any cross vehicles visible, then it would pass the stop bar to the second bar where it could get a better view. In all the other tests as it approached the stop bar there were cross vehicles in plain view and in that case it did the NHTSA stop. At least that’s what it looked like. To confirm you would need to do the test when the cross traffic is pretty light.
I think this is the best 1st release. I don't remember the last critical mistake in this UPL, maybe it doesn't make a critical mistake since the beginning of v12. Do you remember, Chuck? Thank you as always.
Overall this is much better an more consistent. Best version yet. I don't like its bias to leave its butt right on the edge of lane behind it when it has _plenty_ of room in front to be be centered in the median. Seems like it is more worried about the comfort of the cars from the right than the cars from the left. But then again many human drivers are worse at this kind of maneuver, or they just avoid altogether.
It would be interesting to repeat that first test with someone pre arranged with no headlights on to test the ability of the cameras to pick up a careless driver coming from the right (or left). They’ll be out there for FSD to have to deal with.
Don't get your hopes up too much for HW3. Off all the places where the higher resolution HW4 cameras are useful I'd expect it to be high speed cross traffic like this.
I actually like how it lets cars from the middle go and only then gets on the left lane. Because last second a car in the middle lane could go to the left lane... Safer
The interesting thing here, and most of 12+ releases, is a lack of regression. I think we’re seeing improvements with each release that skips the “whack-a-mole” bug fixing. I would guess the difference is probably how machine learning inherently propagates logic from one place to across the model and that the ML stack handles all the integration of systems.
Thanks!
Thank you for the support! Pinned!
At some point, these videos are just going to be of Chuck asleep in his car as it drives a couple of hundred miles :) Thanks for the fun.
Thanks for the comment.
@@ChuckCookeverytime after the turn it asks for the reason of disengagement, because you just turned the wheel or braked. Wouldn't it be better to disengage with stalk / scroll-wheel? Then it treats it as turning off the system rather than disengaging due to some wrong action od the system.
@@ChuckCookwhat if you pulled up the stop sign… and then hit the brakes? Until you saw the amount of traffic you wanted? Then you could test in more scenarios.
At some point, Chuck will be replaced by Optimus
@@AlexD-eu2wh Soon he'll just wake up in the morning, talk into his watch and say "Oh! New version! Go test yourself; left turn; 30 minutes; wake me up when you're back."
Pretty sure we are getting close to the end of unprotected left videos. It’s been a pleasure watching these past 4? years! Maybe the next thing is Optimus beekeeping videos!
Chuck, while its not going across urgently, its also giving a good sign to the oncoming from the right that its not going to pull out. There is a balance between the body language of your car to those on the left to those on the right.
I haven't seen anything here that is dangerous or needing an intervention. Dare I say this was perfect!
I came to make the same comment. chuck spoke at length about how it felt sluggish getting out of the way of cars approaching from the left. but being too quick would be very uncomfortable for cars approaching from the right. I think it's doing exactly what is skilled human driver would do - time it by crossing as slow as possible, while not getting hit from the left, as to not make drivers from the right panic.
@@dalenorman2005 Its such a fine balance and from Chucks point of view the goal posts have been moving. He is still very concerned with the car getting into the median correctly, which makes sense since over the years it has been hanging out.
It has now progressed where we are now concerned about the other side. This is unreal progress and I'm sure with more and more interactions, Chuck will trust the slower drive to the median, knowing what it is doing.
I think Chuck does a superb job at conveying what it feels I the car. I have noticed on his longer videos how relaxed he is looking when its driving now. The vast majority of driving is Chuck in chill mode.
We are getting so much closer to completion!
That is the best it has ever looked. The ability of it to decide if it is a single step of two step maneuver is really impressive.
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Can we just appreciate how far FSD has come?
Yes!
Yes, it has most of the basics pretty consistent now.
Long time users marvel at how far it has come. For those of us who only use it with the free trials, we see how far it has yet to go.
I remember when it would struggle just going down a straight road in like version 10, then i forgot about it for a few years, got recommended a video for 12.5, i was absolutely blown away by good it was lol
@@bassdrumflextime1253 Man, I've been following every single release for the last 3 years.
Chuck, you have helped advance Tesla’s FSD team while keeping fans informed, from the very first iteration of FSD to fully autonomous driving. You’ve been an integral part of this journey. Truly impressive!
Hear hear!
Not yet autonomous yet. Hopefully a few more months.
Looks like it'll definitely be ready in time for cybercabs to start rolling out in a little more than a year.
🎉🎉🎉
An unusually good run, very good sign for v13. Usually major releases are terrible at first and improve quickly. This one is starting out amazingly well.
It is 13.2, so 3rd v13 iteration. First out to public users, but in private testing for many months.
@ Yeah that’s how every release is? I’m talking about initial public rollout…
I think it's the best 1st release. But I don't remember the last mistake in this UPL... Maybe it doesn't make a mistake since the beginning of v12?
Well said. The only question is whether they maybe over-trained a little on this specific UPL, i.e. whether it handles other tough situations too. We know the Tesla drivers are an extended part of Chuck's family at this point :)
@@peter.g6 u got a point.😆
11:15 was mind blowing. There is so much nuance in this system. Thanks for sharing Chuck!
Exactly! It slowed down as it was crossing the road before the median as there was a) no oncoming traffic from the left and b) there was one oncoming vehicle from the right that it could avoid stopping for if it just slowed down to let it pass first, which is exactly what it did, *before* reaching the median.
Wow, that's like a solid 95% comfort and 100% on safety. Like you said, it's getting pretty nit-picky on preferences rather than anything objectively wrong with the driving. I think there still is a NHTSA stop but it's being allowed to creep in situations where it just needs a few inches to see the road... just like a good human driver would do rather than robotically stopping within inches of the sign and then creeping.
Thanks Chuck. Your engaging narration makes the 30 minute video go very quickly.
I try to keep it interesting!
Thanks, Chuck. After watching you and all the others from the sidelines for years, it's my turn to join the revolution. Picking up our first Tesla (a Model Y) tomorrow at Tesla Kennesaw (GA). Anybody need a 2015 Nissan Leaf?
@@1519Spring Congrats! I bet you will enjoy the new Tesla.
I Even with my refreshed MS, I feel envious of people who are getting MY with AI4 HW that runs newer FSD SW.
@@robkeshav800 Yeah it only felt like 17 minutes to me
I like the consistent speed. As I approach a vehicle crossing, my preference is that the crossing car has a consistent speed slow or fast.
I think they need to pick the middle of fast or slow. To fast will freak vehicle coming from the right and obviously to slow is not good for vehicle from the left.
Just one point about 1st world driving mentality. In 3rd world countries with less rules and crappy roads, people comprise their driving self entitlement. “It their fault, I was in my lane and he was going to slow”. That kind of mind set causes vehicle to fall off of as cliff on a 1 1/2 vehicle wide road.
We have the widest roads and a ton of rules and still we have head on collisions because the car coming up to a passing car does not move over two feet to avoid an accident.
Self driving cars will do what is necessary to avoid an accidental not like us. (I hope so😅)
Your videos are always great. Thanks.
I remember watching these and it did it like 1 out of 20...I was worried that progress would stall just below what would be needed for full autonomy, but this fear seems unfounded now! Thanks for your continuous coverage, Chuck!
Amazing video, particularly when you compare it to say 12 or 18 months ago !
Chuck, the drone view you have setup is super awesome, it's a nice extra touch for seeing what's going on (better than car mounted cameras by a long shot).
That's great. It feels like we are at the point that it is nearly flawless and we are down to personal driver preference. That personal driver preference will never be the same with every driver so some drivers will always have micro-preferences that are not necessarily better/worse; just different. Good job testing!
Great Chuck. Did you ever think that "Chuck's Unprotected Lefts" would be this boring. lol.
Yes, I knew they would. (And I'm glad to see that reality is catching up with my idiotic optimism.)
Love your videos! I don't like to watch long videos (~30 Min) on TH-cam except your videos. Appreciate your work!
thank you!
First time I watched this completely relaxed. It was always nerve wrecking before. Not just because the car didn't always behave well, but because I'm not seeing to the right, and blindly turning into high-speed traffic is very uncomfortable. But now FSD projects so much confidence that I just trust it.
Thanks Chuck!!! The various views, especially the aerial view is SO helpful! ❤️ excited for v13!
Yes, along with FSD's improvements Chuck's technology has come a long way. He's got it down now. What a great presentation, I really love watching all the details. Good job!
This was the BEST UPL Video so far. It nailed every single one of them. You mentioned a few times it jumped in front of a car, in the drone view it looked fine however probably because the car behind slowed down.
Just like a real human in hurry mode; you creep out a bit to spook them so they'll slow down. 😁
1:29 if you're not happy with a scenario, I recommend disengaging and sending it in. At this stage, hard disengagements getting less and less, but there's still room for improvement. But they need now more training data than ever for those edge cases.
That was the most impressive handling by FSD I've seen so far. FSD is demonstrating more and more confidence in its handling of difficult situations and making really good choices. Hats off to the Tesla FSD team.
13:47 I wonder if the reason it's jumping out in front of fast moving traffic and causing them a small inconvenience is because you're in Hurry mode? If you were a passenger in a cab you'd want the taxi driver to put pedal to the metal and tuck into those small gaps. It looks like all it's missing is the harsher acceleration, so maybe they're limiting acceleration in software with hard-coded rules at the moment.
The trail cam top down view is great really like watching it in that perspective !
13:19 The head lights off vehicle appears to be rendered much later, and the car with the light on morphs out of it appearing in the center lane. Good Catch!
Definitely think V13 will be the equal to/better than human version- thanks so much Chuck!❤🎉
Wow. Perfect!!! Amazing progress tesla!
I'm always glad to see these videos being uploaded, because it shows 2 things, the progress of FSD, and that you survived 😂
So good to see how it handled those turns. The car is certainly computing timing and distance better than it ever has before. Amazing improvements in the last few months.
🤗THANKS CHUCK,FOR SHARING THE CONFIDENCE OF 13.1 💯🍯
13.2
As another upstanding citizen said, I'm a simple man, i see a new Chuck's video, I watch it
11:45 yeah you can see it’s “intent” by looking at that helpful Torque figure that you have displayed. It clearly shows it’s coasting till the other cars pass. I like the way you anthropomorphise the AI decisions because that gives a sense of what the experience seems like to the occupants. Well done and thanks.
Great testing, analysis, and commentary. I always enjoy your videos.
That is surely the best it has ever done. A fantastic sign for the future of self driving.
Amazing how chuck can still provide commentary of such a mundane thing after the 500th attempt 😂
Smooth! Hopefully it shoots to the median quicker in future releases
Imagine trying to do this type of intersection on a snowy road-:) FSD in that case should just turn right. I love Chuck's videos.
Driving this calmly? It could do it on ice.
@@andrasbiro3007 Do you have experience driving in the winter? Doesn't seem possible based on that comment. I have extensive experience living in New England. The advice people that know best how to drive in snowy/icy conditions is to drive like you have an egg under your foot. I probably would turn right and do a U-turn a quarter mile away if it was snowing. That is what many local residents do in dry conditions at this unprotected left turn.
@@edhill8568
So you agree that FSD can do it easily.
"drive like you have an egg under your foot" - that's FSD v13.2.
@@andrasbiro3007 Doubtful but when I get V13.2.x I'll give it a try. Driving in the snow is so different, somewhat of an art form. I can't tell you how many times I've made it to my destination while others have gotten stuck. FSD also will need to find alternate routes that avoid steep hills which is very different then finding regular alternate routes. It will be ok with me if v13.2.x does everything but snowy conditions. And by snowy I mean actively snowing with several inches on the road.
@@edhill8568
It already drives in snow. Not really deep snow, of course. That should be plowed anyway.
And AWD helps a lot in snow, and the electric powertrain too. Steep hills should be no problem if you have both of those and good winter tires.
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Great video , I was happy with everyone of those upl’s .
Even when it pulled out in front of a car I didn’t see that car slow at all.
I have had thousands of human drivers pull out on me over the years., this looked far better than all of them.
Absolutely amazed at how good it is.
FSD drives as a continuous train of step by step driving decisions that are linked end-to-end. It appears that decisions are slower (less frequent) as the driving conditions and routings become more complex. Having a faster AI processor really helps until you get close to the maximum allowed time between decisions. Then the hesitations return.
Can't wait to see how the CT performs. I predict more hesitancy and persistant gitter on high complexity maneuvors (U- turns and complex unprotected left turns) compared to the AI4 Y. If AI4 is having issues, I wonder how AI3 will do. Matrix compression may not be the issue. Some V13 solutions may not be possible on AI3 due to the time required to reach a valid solution on the slower, memory starved AI3 processor. The video limitations of HW3 won't help. At least we are working with the best real-world AI team. A big thanks to Tesla and to the ever growing team of FSD "supervisors".
It better be! My Tesla uploads 8 to 10 gb daily, and I don't even have a FSD subscription currently!
HUGE improvement! Two things: 1) Another youtuber remarked that HURRY mode really makes a difference in this version. 2) The first left turn looked a bit suspect to me, like I wonder if FSD recognized the single headlight car coming as a car, or thought it was a UAP.
Interesting test. Thanks
I like Hurry. I think that's why it goes in front of another distant car, as long as it doesn't make it slow down much etc.
Can try with different modes so we learn the intricacies over time.
Great videos
Thanks, CHuck. Can't wait for 13. I have a 2023 Model S with 12.5.6.3 and have noticed the rendom slowdowns and stops. Sometimes it seems that it sees road repair and it must think it's a break or bump. Also occasionally it's a shadow across the road.
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Wow. This is really good. Impressive!
Gorging on Chuck's UPL box of chocolates...
8:42 Notice how the light to your right was red here, so even though the gap was small, it also expected that the oncoming cars needed to slow down anyway
(Though the light does end up turning green just before it goes out of our camera view)
I love both your analysis and commentary on these unprotected left turns! FSD v13.2 is truly "THAT GIRL"!
At 3:12 as you crept sloooly to the median, the car’s visual mapping showed (incorrectly as compared to the overhead camera) the car that was coming behind it, having to change lanes from the fast lane to the middle lane. To rephrase, the overhead showed that that oncoming car actually was already in the middle lane. 😊😅
I think you need to find another intersection to do this testing on so we can make sure it's not just optimised for this intersection and actually doing this good any where.
It's interesting at about 8:51 how far off it's representing the traffic that's coming from the left as far as what lane they are in, it's showing them both over a full lane from where they are and corrects as they are right about to pass you. As always great video, my only Tesla channel I still follow.
Thanks for the videos Chuck! Multiple times, FSD is forcing cross traffic to slow which is dangerous behavior. Also, we still need to see more videos with other cars in the median because that is where FSD almost consistently gets confused and fails - but I realize, of course, that may be rare to come across.
Fantastic video as always. Don’t have FSD on my Model Y so have to enjoy it vicariously through your videos. Would like to see it automatically take that U-turn you take as part of the circuit. It might provide more insight on gap prediction, distance of oncoming, speed of oncoming estimations. Double the fun! Great job!
The only thing I would ask for is to wait for a larger gap in high speed oncoming traffic when in Chill mode. That would make supervisors and passengers that are not in a hurry feel more safe and comfortable.
Some of the concerns are more due to personal anxiety than the car's actual opportunity selection. This version looks great. Can't wait to stress it in Puerto Rico.
Looks spectacular to me.
Another great video Chuck, v13 seems really smooth and confident
Definitely decisively better. This is the first version where you might think it knows what it's doing. It doesn't quite ensure all margins but much better
Great video! I can’t wait for V13 to drop on my Cybertruck. My wife hates FSD and I am limited to using it while flying solo. The current version is pretty damn good, but it looks like V13 may just be enough to reach my wife’s comfort factor. I’m asking a lot of her because we got involved in a high speed t-bone a year ago (the other person ran a red light and nailed our Jeep on my B pillar). Luckily nobody sustained any serious injuries, but my wife hates being in a car at all. In fact, when she sat in a CT for the first time at a Tesla showroom, she informed me we were putting in the order for it as soon as we got home. I hated plunking down a premium for the Foundation model, but in hindsight, it was worth every Penney. She feels like she is in a tank and it removed most of her car anxieties. I just have to work on her and FSD. Can’t wait until V13 arrives and I get the stink eye when the blue planned path pops up on the screen the first time. 🙂🙂🙂
Chuck and others say that the current FSD 12.X on the CT is NOT as good as the same 12.X on the 3/Y. You'll probably need to wait until CT FSD is as good as 13.2 is on Chuck's MY now (or, after seeing 13:46, maybe even a bit better).
Imagine always doing what someone who doesn’t like change says.
I can understand her fear But you should have convinced her instead of listening to her that the cybertruck is one of the most unsafe vehicles because other vehicles crumble and absorb the damage, while the cyber struck stays the same and the meat bags in the car are the ones that get broken
@@1519Spring I agree. My current version is really good, but I still intervene due to some minor cornering issues and abrupt breaking. It probably isn’t safety related issues more than my own comfort level with the behavior.
Thanks Chuck, awesome display of FSD handling your unprotected left. Interesting, you are noticeably more relaxed and confident in v13 than earlier versions.
Bought XAI735x after watching your video, super excited! 💰
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It‘s amazing what progress Tesla has achieved in the last 12 month.
I hope we soon get it in Europe too.
Thanks for everything you do!❤
It looks so good! Hopefully you are testing the CyberTruck this week!
I think the slower roll into the median is intentional for passenger comfort. If it drove to the median to stage but really got on it you would think it was going to go and most likely disengage. They have to walk a very fine line, fast enough to get there but not so fast it scares everyone into thinking the car is not going to stop and stage.
Fun video, Thanks a bunch, Chuck!
one huge regression I notice is the other car trajectories are all over the place drifting across the median when your car (or the road) is moving. It's like the cars are not actually anchored to the ground when the ground moves around you. Seems like a significant physics road/car object/world coordinate bug.
The rendering has some weirdness, for sure. Remember nothing in the visualization is used for driving though. It's just a visualization.
Watching this as a German is funny. I don't think we have these unprotected left turns anywhere, but I'm surprised about your classification of a "small" gap 😁 We merge into roads where people travel at highway speeds with way tighter gaps - just gotta step on it afterwards!
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
13:16 actually, they weren’t both being visualized! (Or not all 3 cars, that is)
13:23 notice here, 2 cars enter the visualization from the top, but there are actually 3 oncoming cars next to each other. At 13:24 one of the cars on the screen splits into 2 cars! (Once it realizes the car on the far right didn’t have its headlights on)
Essentially, it thought the middle car was in the far right lane, potentially because it was seeing part of the far right car as well. But then it realized that the car with headlights was actually in the middle lane, and that the car parts it was seeing on the far right were actually from a third car!
Thanks Chuck., it’s really looking good. I don’t think NHTSA stops can go away until NHTSA officially ends it. I asked Ashok on X if HW3 will be closer to another month or another year but I’m a relative nobody there so of course got no response. I’m wondering if someone like yourself were to ask, if we could get even a ballpark estimate.
I would imagine HW3 is likely a few months away. I recall reading somewhere that they will simulate v13 to HW3 (so a dumbed down version) for as long as they can.
And not coming to a full stop at the stop line is considered running the stop sign
@@bassdrumflextime1253 That’s definitely true, but you’d be surprised how many humans (civilians and law enforcement alike) run stop signs daily. Hardly anyone comes to a full stop at a stop sign, or if they do, they often go slightly past it.
The video I’ve been waiting for!
Really great this version until now never did something wrong in UPLs so far.
Nice. Would be been good to see how it handled the low sun glaring into it though.
1:22 & 8:42: Yeah, those were slightly uncomfortable. Think they had to brake a bit in both cases.
But HOLY hell that was an impressive showing overall!
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That is true,the blue ute changed into your lane not long after passing you.
V13.2 looks solid.
Thank you!
개 잘하네....인간보다 더 잘한다. 미쳤다.
Nice test of multiple perfect UPLs, Chuck. I noticed you did all these tests in Hurry mode. Have to ask you to run another in CHILL and in Standard to see if there is any difference, please. Mostly I drive city traffic in CHILL in my AI-4 Model S to avoid aggressive lane changing that tends to trigger road rage. I now use Standard and Hurry for highway driving.
another great video Chuck
Thanks for watching
I haven’t read all the comments, but my thought on the roll vs full stop is once the sun was high enough, it was not able to see headlights as well. Strangely, moving headlights may be better for judging approach speed.
FSD is now so far ahead of what we have on HW/AI3. The highway stack specifically is what is sorely lacking, but now so is the level of confidence as evident in FSD 13.2. I predict we won't get any new updates until April (for HW/AI3).
Would you consider testing an unprotected left turn without a median to pause in? It would be an even more challenging scenario, and I'm curious to see how FSD would handle it. Thank you for considering this!
One headlight = possible motorcycle in my head.
Nice test. It appeared to me that as the car approached the main road if there weren’t any cross vehicles visible, then it would pass the stop bar to the second bar where it could get a better view. In all the other tests as it approached the stop bar there were cross vehicles in plain view and in that case it did the NHTSA stop. At least that’s what it looked like. To confirm you would need to do the test when the cross traffic is pretty light.
That’s a great observation and something I’ll keep in mind for future tests.
Interesting how the car with headlights off next to the car with lights on appeared on the screen as 1 car until it got closer. Time 13:21
I think this is the best 1st release. I don't remember the last critical mistake in this UPL, maybe it doesn't make a critical mistake since the beginning of v12. Do you remember, Chuck? Thank you as always.
This is amazing .. getting there - one more year and I guess Tesla would be there
Overall this is much better an more consistent. Best version yet. I don't like its bias to leave its butt right on the edge of lane behind it when it has _plenty_ of room in front to be be centered in the median. Seems like it is more worried about the comfort of the cars from the right than the cars from the left.
But then again many human drivers are worse at this kind of maneuver, or they just avoid altogether.
It would be interesting to repeat that first test with someone pre arranged with no headlights on to test the ability of the cameras to pick up a careless driver coming from the right (or left). They’ll be out there for FSD to have to deal with.
Bought XAI735x after watching your video, super excited!
Awesome!
Starting at 69% battery? ...nice
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I think it’s doing fine, maybe OG people like me with FSD since 2016 will get this. I really can’t afford another car.
Don't get your hopes up too much for HW3. Off all the places where the higher resolution HW4 cameras are useful I'd expect it to be high speed cross traffic like this.
Good vid
I actually like how it lets cars from the middle go and only then gets on the left lane.
Because last second a car in the middle lane could go to the left lane...
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The interesting thing here, and most of 12+ releases, is a lack of regression. I think we’re seeing improvements with each release that skips the “whack-a-mole” bug fixing. I would guess the difference is probably how machine learning inherently propagates logic from one place to across the model and that the ML stack handles all the integration of systems.
Never thought that i'd be having a driverless car for another 20 years. Hail Tesla !!!