SSBU Guide to Doc and Mario
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2024
- This is a two-in-one guide on Dr. Mario and Mario. It is not just another video just about the differences between the two, but a guide to playing each and for when to pick one over the other.
Timestamps:
1:30 General info
2:02 Jab
2:44 Tilts
3:35 Dash Attack
4:21 Smashes
5:09 Aerials
7:36 Grabs/throws
10:02 Specials
12:22 Strategy/counterplay
14:30 Matchups
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Really learned from this guide since I'm playing both characters. And so I thank Dr.Jay
Another good video, Dr. Jay. I like the lounge house music going on. I like to play Dr. Mario all the time. Honestly more fun of a character with his down spike. It’s extremely satisfying.
Haha, thanks man! I make all of the music in my videos so i appreciate that lol. Doc is the coolest character imo, he dunks on everyone with up throw fair and if you wanna see satisfying check out some Shroomed doc combos from melee. Never thought I’d love a character more than melee doc, but ultimate doc is definitely up there with his new changes to down b and down air. PS: just wrote a banger for the samus vid coming in a day or two, unashamedly proud of this next song so if you like this kinda music you’ll love this next one lol
You make the music too? Good on you man!
It definitely had me head bobbing.
Thanks so much! They’re all clips of full songs I’ve made in between long sessions of labbing each character. Once I get enough footage, I plan on making songs for specific characters in combo videos for the swag value. I love old melee combo montages and I’ve always wanted to make my own from scratch. Just need to get better at editing video first lol
Timestamps - Working Version
General Info: 1:30
Jabs: 2:02
Tilts: 2:44
Dash Attacks: 3:35
Smash Attacks 4:21
Aerials: 5:09
Grabs & Throws: 7:36
Special Moves: 10:02
Stradegy & counterplay: 12:22
Matchups: 14:30
Maybe if doc removed his equipment he'd go faster
Its because of all the extra muscle he has it slows him down
I personally find Mario's fireballs to be quite useful. It can force your opponent to approach and I sometimes use it as a small combo tool where I full jump fireball to jab or N-air at lower percents, or up air at lower or higher percents. One downside of it is that the opponent can easily shield and punish you but I still it useful in some situations
@E-MAN While I certainly agree that Mario’s fireballs are useful (didn’t mean to give off the impression that they weren’t) they just aren’t the focus of Mario’s game plan, which revolves around combos. Doc kinda needs pills or a hard read to start a combo, but Mario not only doesn’t need fireballs as much but they also aren’t as useful as pills in terms of trajectory, damage, and most importantly hitstun. I definitely think they’re good for forcing an approach on some characters, but against top tiers (imo this includes peach/daisy, young link, yoshi, the marth clones, etc) they just don’t do much because the opponent is either a better zoner or just too fast. Of course every match and every player is different, so there are always going to be a lot of times where a fireball or two will come in handy, but they won’t be used very often in top level tournament play imo. Cheers!
Doc's down-b is stupid...
and that's why I main him :). Thanks for the video btw it helped.
How come?
:)
Its like smash 4 luigi's down b
Could you turn down the instrumental next time?
just a lil hard to hear
Very informative but I feel like the video should have gone with the commentary better. Like during the throws section it would play footage of down throw while you were talking about back throw. Other than that, good video.
I’ve been watching a lot of vids like this and your production/ tone is brilliant. Well done. I hit subscribe.
The shoutout :O sick vid
Yooo thanks! The Smashboards version has a general shout-out to the doc discord cuz y’all are homies lol
I love using doc over mario tbh, his moves are satisfying to land
A few more tips for Dr. Mario: His Airdodge goes a nice horizontal distance and is a lot more generous for sweetspotting the ledge than Up B. The distance on Up B is normally terrible but for some reason he can go a lot further if you ride up a wall. Aerial Down B doesn't get much distance if you have no momentum. It's better to use an airdodge or jump before the down b.
You can also instantly grab the ledge with his Cape which has a pretty big hitbox in ultimate.
Being a Pit\Dark Pit main, this guide shows that Doc also fits the Bait-&-Punush playstyle. He's one of my best characters and the coolest for sure!
Tho, thinking about it...are they separate people? Cousins?
been a dr mario main since melee. love the the doc got harder hits
You can also angle the F smash with both
First of all Dr. Mario does not dunk with his forward air, and his pills are not bad at high percents, they confirm into DownB and UpB. Doc also has a much better up air compared to Mario’s, it can combo into itself at low percents and and has brutal kill power. You didn’t even mention the sweet spot on Dr. Mario’s UpB you even said he was a blast to play, his sweet spot UpB is one of his flashiest moves. As a Dr. Mario main, I’m very offended.
This was a fantastic video!
Pills are also much better when is comes to kill confirms. A single pill at around 100-125% can guarantee an up b, down b, fair, bair, or uair
I will always prefer Dr.Mario as i grew up with SSB64 i prefer the classic Mario moveset over FLUDD. Ironic as i loved FLUDD in Sunshine
Sharon Loy in melee marios down b was cyclone
@@sdpr_5 yes i know. I was saying the old moveset was better. I hated fludd in brawl and onward
Sharon Loy i know i wasnt saying you didnt say that
Thanks for the tips bro!!
I can't help but think that Dr Mario should be listed as an echo fighter.
nousername191 dr Mario is Mario already. U can’t put him as an echo fighter. It’s like normal Mario and another stronger version super saiyan Mario (dr Mario)
Good video. I think, while Mario has been nerfed, the new mechanics made is edge guard game so much stronger and that kind of makes up for it. I think he is definitely one of the 5 Gimp Kings of Ultimate (who are the other 4? Idk. I just made it up. Who do you think deserves to be one of the 5 Gimp Kings in Smash Ultimate?).
LOL yeah I def think he’s a great edgeguarder now that edgeguarding is more viable. Idk who’d be the gimp king, I feel like young link or the pits have to gimp to ko early cuz no knockout power. But idk, marth was the edgeguard king in melee so I feel like fast characters with long hitboxes are the best at edgeguarding, but it’s too early in the meta to really know how things will work out. Projectiles are king rn, so idk lol
@@Dr.Jay.Hey, what are some edgeguarding options for mario? I've been maining him in smash 4, and now I got ultimate. I'd love to know some options particularly against luigi as well, since my bro is really good at luigi. I can't seem to edgeguard luigi because the missile comes out so fast, I always get hit by it if I try. Any other tips for Mario would be greatly appreciated, like some combos against luigi, because luigi's nair breaks out of everything when I try to d-throw him. You did say u-throw was better for this game, so I can try that. Again, any combos particularly against luigi would be amazing. Thanks!
@DrDalek hey buddy, so for edgeguarding Luigi you have tons of options. His recovery is honestly really bad at higher level play especially now that he can’t mash down b for height. For Mario, stand right on the edge face towards the center of the stage so you can easily back air him. time a forward tilt, back air (very reliable) or fsmash to catch his side b if he try’s to go straight at you. Rinse and repeat until he learns his lesson. If he recovers from below, you can drop down on him with a nair if you’re fast for just back away and wait for him to get off the ledge and counter his get up with a dash attack, or his ledge jump with an up air bair or nair.
@DrDalek as for combos, try to understand that very few characters have true reliable down throw follow ups in this game unlike smash 4. You basically have to slow for just a split second after any throw with Mario to read where he goes then chase him and punish whatever he does after getting out of hitstun. Weej is easily juggled by up air and really can be easily edgeguarded, but to avoid his nair between combos just do a quick one-two and back away, wait for the nair, then go back in and keep going
Jay thank you very much for the advice, I'll try to implement these in my mario :)
At mid percents, Mario can get a SH Up air and land another up air, nair, or if you reverse the up air you can get a bair.
Also I call Doc up throw the “Pizza Toss”
Another informative video :) good work
Mario is SOOO much fun when you are on your game and you can score hard reads with Cape into F Smashes and D throws into spiking Fairs off stage.
Very useful video! Doc is so good in Ultimate!
Thank you for this, Doc is my dude
Shawn Bonnett bro sameee Dr. Mario all the way
Thanks, this really helped
Wah!
Oh yeah yeah
Great video, the only problem would be the moments where your mic got cut, but I did really like the guide.
Thanks! Really glad you appreciated the info. Yeah sorry for the sound quality, just started making vids a week ago so I’ve got no equipment and very little editing experience lol. Now that I’ve kinda tested the waters with it I’m planning on upping the actual video quality for the next vids tho!
With Doc Mario, I always Down throw and then jump really fast and do an up air which hots 90% of the time, or try to land a special after the down throw
You sir.... Deserve way more subs. This is incredible production value for such a small channel. Earned a sub from me
Thanks man! Very little video editing/recording experience so I’m really glad you thought the production value was good. Was hoping the info would make up for the actual video/sound quality, but I guess I didn’t have to worry about it that much lol. Thanks again, cheers and happy new year!
I almost main the Doc in melee, but Luigi just stole my heart. Then they changed Luigi in brawl and I hated that, so Ike became my new main.
Now I am thinking about maining the Doc again. I just can't decide between Ganon, Doc, Bowser or Ike. For some reason Yoshi is quickly becoming part of the choice now. I like the way he plays in Ultimate now.
Do you know if doc was nerfed? Seeing some week old footage like this showing certain moves doing more damage than they currently do. For example, this video shows doc's down tilt doing 10.3 damage. Doc's down tilt currently only does 9.8 damage with stale moves off.
@Erik No, there has been no doc nerf. I literally just checked d-tilt against a bunch of different characters, and it did exactly 10.3% each time I used the strong hit box of it (there is a strong and weak hitbox to d-tilt, I found the strong hitboxes hits more reliably at closer range). The only time where I get a value of 9.8% with the strong hit is in training mode, but that is simply because of the lack of damage multiplier. In ultimate 1v1’s with no items on has a different damage multiplier. Honestly training mode is not as reliable for getting accurate data as a normal 1v1 vs a cpu or empty controller. The combo counter is 100% whack and the damage difference changes slight things about anything you practice in training mode. It’s nice and all to be able to reset positions and stuff, but do not try and get any hard data from training mode. It’s been the downfall of many theory crafters on forums and stuff already and has caused hours of confusion for people lol. Kudos on having such a sharp eye though, got me real worried for a sec that my boi got nerfed lolol. Hope I cleared it up, cheers!
WOW I didn't know that about training mode! That is where i was getting my info as it's where I work on new combos. Crazy that they do that. thanks for the response and info!
@@aintfalco7968 training mode gets accurate data, you just have to turn staling on
that would make a move weaker as I use it, not stronger
Great video but the music is too loud
It's all fun and games until you fight a Doctor mario on quickplay named "Prof CBT"
I hope both Marios will still be great enough to fight the top tier fighters
@Danny Furrison I absolutely believe they will. Will most likely not be top tier themselves, but this seems to me (I know we may still find something broken and there’s dlc) that ultimate is the most balanced smash yet in terms of character viability. Looking at early tournament results, there are a lot of high tier characters and very few truly low tiers
You can combo out of mario’s down throw
this is great. not enough guides about this character on YT for smash ultimate. thx.
you make fantastic videos, can’t wait until u cover snake!
would u happen to have a twitter?
@noloAF thanks bud! Sorry for the late response. Snake is probably third on my list atm, but I’m really liking him. Played him in pm a lot and fooled around with him in brawl. I do but I don’t currently use it at all, I’ve been procrastinating setting it up lol. I’ll have it up and running tomorrow though and will let everyone know about it (new vid coming tomorrow).
Docs down throw isnt true into docnado, it's super easy to DI out of
Dr. Mario would be SO much better if his uptilt actually worked. That move has the most inconsistent hitbox, it's fine right above him but it just whiffs on grounded opponents too much.
Both of their down tilts also feel really awkward to use. It's one of those combo moves that has oddly high ending lag but you need to dash out of it for followups.. I always miss my dash input and end up just whiffing.
Do you think you could make a video doing Dr. Mario and Mario combos. With the c stick being tilt and with the c stick being smash attack? I'm having better luck getting punishes using the smash c stick as mario but I know tilt allows for a lot more combo extension
@Fusion sorry man, I’m a bit too swamped especially since the video I’m working on rn is a much bigger one (not on a single character). Honestly tilt stick should not help you with combos, it really just helps with tilting out of dash. It doesn’t make it any faster or better, it’s just easier for some people so you don’t accidentally smash when you mean to tilt. Like your control set up does not change what your character can do, it’s 100% just what you are comfortable with. I promise that showing combos with tilt stick compared to smash stick would look absolutely totally identical and wouldn’t help at all (especially since i don’t have a button cam or anything atm). I’m guessing that you (like me with doc) are so used to smash stick that you need to retrain your hands and brain if you want to switch to tilt stick which can only be achieved through a lot of practice with the new control setup. It’s the same with any game- it’s really up to you if you think the time you need to spend re-learning controls is worth it. I’ve played tons of competitive games and it’s always the same: some people waste time desperately try to find the optimal control set up rather than practicing what they’re comfortable with. Ask 10 streetfighter or DBFZ players what the best controller style, controller parts, or button layout is and you will get 10 unique answers. I play most smash characters with clawgrip (right index finger on the y button and middle finger on r) because it helped me act out of sh with doc faster in melee by freeing up my thumb for the c stick. Now that I can just change a shoulder button to jump, I still play this way just because I’m used to it and there’s no real advantage to relearning jump on shoulder button. I’ve seen severely physically handicapped players that can barely use their hands destroy other people in fighting games because they’re just so used to the way they play, even if it wouldn’t make sense for an abled person to play the same way. As long as you can do the attack, it does not matter what finger or button you use to perform it. Anyway sorry I couldn’t help more with this, but control setups are kinda tough to give advice on and there’s no way for me to help you get used to a new one. Good luck with the jumpman though, keep me posted on progress and feel free to ask any questions- even if I can’t make a vid on it I’ll do my best to respond. Peace!
Can you put Dr. Mario in Mario's Echo Fighter or Mario's Color?
I don’t get crouch canceling. By the time you can crouch you could have already shielded or parried, and you can’t crouch cancel in the air. When would you use it?
@Sal J. So it’s not as good in this game due to the changes to jabs and grabs, and also shield stun makes shielding better. Crouch cancelling is best used while you’re at low percent against a jab or similar light attack as it lets you act faster than if you had shielded. Also putting your shield up and releasing it takes longer now than in other games. A parry against a fast jab will often not be that helpful as they can just follow with another fast jab, so shielding the full jab or cc’ing into a jab or tilt of your own is the move
So Dr.Jay whose better Mario or Doctor.Mario, I think Doctor.Mario for him being able to take out the current meta match-ups, and also his fair being better (Due to the fact it can kill early and D-throw to fair is true depending on percent).
@Minticate 100% doc imo, he punishes so much harder than Mario, pills are amazing, down b and the new stomp help him from above a bit but more importantly do massive damage, and honestly his combo game seems almost equal to Mario once you get the hang of it. You have to win less neutral interactions with doc and he ko’s much easier
Which Mario? Hehe I know what you mean I main Mario because of the fludd pack and his speed I also play dr Mario but I don’t really love his speed or his end lag on his down b so I enjoy Mario more. Plus I can’t seem to be in the dr Mario pill to hit all the time because it bounces over that’s why I enjoy Mario fireball because it hit stuns the opponent for a split second giving you a free up smash or grab or kill off edge.
@SuperMarioJeremy Lol yeah I feel like the “which one is better” debate will never truly end, and only at the highest level of play would it actually matter who is higher tier anyway. Specific matchups are more important than the tier list in this game. I’m so used to the pill bounce from years of melee practice (and research lmao) and I absolutely love it because of how hard it is to dodge once mastered. I guess the pill/fireball bounce thing is kinda like pit/dpit arrows, where pits arrows should in theory be better because aiming if you CAN aim properly, but if you can’t control arrows pick dark pit. Speed is almost always a more valuable trait than power in smash, so imo if ladder combos weren’t nerfed then Mario would still be the best. Honestly though I’m keeping doc as a pocket main rn in favor of samus and young link anyway, so I don’t plan on using Mario much at all competitively since young link covers the matchups that I would switch to Mario for. I’m currently making a video on why I think you should have 2 mains in this game compared to other smash titles that’ll explain a bit more. Cheers!
Not saying dr Mario is bad I love him i just love that there is two Mario’s for two different strategies but I get into speed more then I am strength.
@SuperMarioJeremy I gotcha, two very different playstyles indeed definitely a preference thing. I usually favor more of a speedy playstyle, but the pillzzzz I could never live without them lolol. In melee the speed/power thing didn’t really matter outside f smash it was basically pills and up b cancel (my favorite thing in all of smash) on doc vs better recovery and a fancy yolo spike on Mario. I guess so much of my time was spent playing against Mario as doc in melee, and my tag is obviously a doc mains, so I could never fully switch to Mario unless he was straight up better like in smash 4 lol
Dr. Jay not to be rude but where does every one figure Mario has gotten worst in ultimate? Mario and dr Mario as I figure as better range then the smash 4 ones as Mario and dr Mario was very good in Wii U but they struggled with sword characters as it seems every time I play dr Mario and Mario I seem to destroy well not destroy but stand a chance against sword characters but please don’t take this the wrong way it’s just as I believe type deal plus I’m fine with your dr Mario in fact I’m inspired by your dr Mario by not me giving up my Mario but inspired to use dr Mario a little more often.
But who is better?
Its good to see dr.mario buffed but they shouldnt nerfed mario that much
I play better with doc than I do with Mario
Same here
Would it be better to make c stick tilt attack or smash attack?
@Fusion So its totally personal preference; however I will say that tilt stick allows for much easier running tilts, and that smash attack out of dash can be used by pressing both a+b simultaneously if the option is turned on which can be just as easy as c-stick. Tilt stick can also be helpful for specific new tech like attack canceling. On the other hand, doc is the one character that I often turn tilt stick off (still deciding which i like more) because I'm so used to melee doc and it just feels like i can get quicker f-smash and d-smash reaction punishes with smash stick (up-smash is unaffected for me because I used standard a-button upsmashes with doc because its easier for me out of shield). Basically in my experience most pro players use tilt stick but its completely optional. In the same line of thought many people map a shoulder/trigger button to jump to make things easier but i use claw grip so it makes no difference to me.
Cheers!
@@Dr.Jay. thanks man I appreciate it!
You need more subs nerd
Dr Mario needs buffs
your wish is granted
Brandon Wilbur I know I am really happy because of my mains Mario and bowser jr somewhat stand a chance we’ll only my bowser jr but dr Mario I was always edge guarded or having trouble killing them.
why do you think dr Mario is not an echo
@Brian Guillemette while I would consider melee doc a clone character (albeit very different at high level play) smash 4 doc was also sorta a clone but less so, SSBU doc is totally different. His special and even aerial moves, base stats (speed, power, etc) and even his combos are different from Mario. This leads to two uniquely different playstyles where mario has a focus on fast movement and combos, while doc has the more patient neutral game with defense and reads. street fighter fans can liken it to Ken and Ryu, with Ryu better at far range (doc) and Ken better at close range (Mario)
make sense
thank you
What's ur smash code
Switch code
There is NO WAY doc is low tier in the game
I’ve never believed that he’s been low tier in any of the 3 games he’s in