This Supreme Court Case Could Have “Devastating” Consequences for Democracy | Amanpour and Company
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- In the U.S., the House yesterday passed a bill to protect same-sex and interracial marriage. It is legislation that gained momentum after the Supreme Court’s landmark overturning of Roe v. Wade in June. Now the Court is hearing another potentially transformative case -- one that could change the American electoral process. It centers on North Carolina's congressional map, and the authority of the state legislature to control it. Our next guest believes the case could have consequences extending far beyond one state. David Daley is the author of "Unrigged: How Americans Are Battling Back to Save Democracy" and an expert on state election reform. He speaks with Hari Sreenivasan.
Originally aired on December 9, 2022.
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Media needs to be talking about this WAY more than they already are. Most people have no clue this is even going on.
So true! And too many Americans simply have no clue period.
I get your point, but by the time it gets to this point... it's too late. Redmap was in the news enough since it's inception in 2010 that I'd heard about it and it's implications were clear. This was happening at the same time Democrats were focusing resources and power in the DNC instead of the states. Democrats lost a record number of state legislatures and governorships during Obama's two terms. And everyone could tell you the details of every plot twist in "Game of Thrones" but knew NOTHING about this shxt going on.
Yes the media sucks, but the question Hari Sreenivasan should have asked was... what were Democrats doing while Republicans were plotting the the collapse of democracy into authoritarianism. All they did was "act like the adults in the room" or "go high when they go low" instead of exposing and fighting back against the Republican plot. The Democratic party has been sleepwalking for decades. While Republicans were steadily destroying democracy, Democrats were smugly getting ready to coronate Hillary Clinton.
And Democratic voters are just fine with that... and here we are. You can elect as many Democrats as you want from here on out and it's too late. The fascism is a feature of our politics that has been allowed to grow so strong and pervasive, it is never going away. We're done.
Former Atty. General Eric Holder has been working on this for years with his National Democratic Redistricting Committee. He realized the problem with gerrymandering and how states were drawing district maps. To stay up to date on their progress signup for updates on NDRC
What going on? The people are about to get f*****.
No they don't!
The electoral college should be abolished.
Heather Soper: ABSOLUTELY!!! They talk out of one side of their mouth: 1 person , 1 Vote.... and from the other side of their mouth they say : keep the Electoral College. You can't have it both ways... and yet.... we still have the EC... screwing things up royally.
JUST THINK.... if there hadn't been an EC we would have missed the honor of having Trump as our president (/s)
@@macforme And George W. ☹
It apparently worked the last time, so why promote something that outrageous?
Oh, that's right-- you seek *that* kind of democracy.
Electoral College is a Check and Balance to make sure Large states didnt completely control Federal Govt For example...NO REPUBLICAN presidental winner has gotten the popular vote since Ronald Regan. NONE. Bush1 Bush2 Trump all LOST POPULAR VOTE.
That is a good ide but it won't fix the anomaly being discussed here.
The struggle for democracy is on-going.
*ongoing
"democracy" - the legitimacy of leftism and the primacy of the Democratic party. LOL.
Cue Inigo Montoya: "You keep using that word..."
Just another thing to make my head explode.
Ron DeSantis faces a court challenge for usurping the constitutionally (state) mandated right of the Florida state legislature to redraw district maps.
DeSantis vetoed the maps--which favoured Republicans--submitted to him by Republican legislators. After a few rejections, the state legislatirs, wore down and bullied by DeSantis, acquiesced and agreed to let him redraw the maps, And Desantis did so, creating maps that demonstrated such a glaring bias toward Republicans, far more so than the legislature's vetoed maps.
Beyond the usurpation of legislative power, DeSantis consulted with national GOP operatives on how to tilt the redistricting. And a 2010 Florida law prohibits "partisan-driven" redistricting, as well as working with out-of-state consultants to rig the redrawing of maps. No previous Florida governor has committed such egregiously partisan, antidemocratic acts.
Disgusting!!!!
Ron DeSantis , worlds best Governor EVER .
I hope the FL maps are being challenged. DeSantis is NOT the best Governor. He’s a trumper with more polish and a less costly suit! He’s authoritarian… no way he should’ve won the Governorship, again. Banning books. Banning rights of LGBTQ community. His actions are inflammatory and causing hate-filled speech and activities.
@@mdsju2mia Well put. DeSantis is, indeed, a dangerous, beguiling (to some) totalitarian who would wreak greater havoc upon American democracy if elected to the presidency.
Cheers
@@mdsju2mia Then I wonder why a lot of people from CA and NY are moving to FL.
I live in North Carolina, and the republikkkans have gerry-mandered the legislative districts over and over and over again. They have also manipulated the maps so we consistently have a republikkkan majority in the state government. Our Governor and Lt. Governor do not run on the same ticket, so we frequently have a Governor from one party, and a Lt. Governor from the opposite party who runs for Governor for all 4 years AND stirs the pot against everything the governor tries to accomplish. We have a very successful Governor who is a Democrat, a republikkkan majority in both houses of the state legislature AND a republikkkan Lt. Governor, so very little gets done that benefits the people of NC! The Lt. Governor is an ex official member of the State Board of Education, but he controls it like a bull in a China shop. This will be VERY destructive to the people of North Carolina AND the entire USA if the SCOTUS rules in favor of Moore instead of North Carolina! If that happens, the current SCOTUS demonstrates they lack professional integrity and personal character, and they need to offer their resignations effective immediately!!
Changes must be made to prevent this. In NC just like WI, legislators take steps to restrict the power of the democratically elected governors. This is NOT democracy. Let's hope this new case Moore v Harper does not see the light of day, if it does kiss democracy goodbye for a very, very long time.
Marxist
Please. The Democratic Party held on to power in the state with few exceptions from 1898 until 2010--112 years!--and wrote the playbook on gerrymandering districts. Indeed, one of the reasons why the Democrats lost so badly in 2010 was because of the gerrymandering they did in 2000. Gerrymandered districts tend to fall all together like dominos in a wave election, which is what 2010 was. The answer to this is simple: Democrats have to start winning elections again. But how can they, with nothing to offer voters except slogans and calls for outrage.
@@SmilingSynic They win elections by cranking out additional mail-in ballots, then work with corrupt news sites like Amanpour/PBS to hide their dirty deeds so that there's no public taste for a full vote audit, which would prove how far removed from the one-person-one-vote fantasy land that they claim to support.
I grew up when the American middle class governed USA. Banks borrowed at 3% and loaned at 6% mostly for business and mortgage loans. An average middle class family could pay cash for a 2 bedroom home with an unfinished basement for growing families. I watched. Laws would not let super rich buy legislation bribing Capitol Hill. Capital gains taxes got lowered and that began a siphoning of wealth out of the middle class around the 70s and 80s. It seems like the 90s and Citizens United turned power over from the working class to the wealthy people and corporations who could now buy votes. Now they buy judges. Look how trump sold out to the Federalists and that got us 3 GOP owned Supreme Court justices. It was already bad enough. Whitehouse calls it a captured Court with dark money funded Federalist Society pulling the strings on the conservative majority except for Ginny Thomas controlled Clarence Thomas. Disgusting.
Huh? I just got a mortgage last year not a 6%, but under 3. Things have been BETTER for most of the last two decades than it was when you were "growing up." Unfortunately, due to mismanagement of the economy by, in large part, the Democratic Party, the days of low mortgage rates may well be over.
@@SmilingSynic You're wrong - the Republicans mismanage and the Democrats have to spend time picking up the pieces once they get in. Obama explained that very clearly in front of a public question and answer session. It's on TH-cam.
Honytonkified - Yes you right. Dark money has been doing exactly that. The other person who has researched and written about how that happened as well as Senator Sheldon Whitehouse is Jane Meyer. They have done joint presentations of their books together.
@@franc9111 lLet's bring up the PRESENT, and not the past. Obama is no longer president. Biden is, and if anything, the term "mismanagement" is actually generous. And this court case is about the NC GA. The state of North Carolina is a lot better off now that it was back in 2010, when the GOP took over. Btw, I am an independent who largely voted Democratic for most of the last thirty years, until the Democrats lost their minds.
TERRIFYING
Excellent interviewing with well thought out questions. Mr. Daly was great with his responses. Thank you for the information.
Bumping this comment. Love it.
These voting situations are very concerning. I hope a government committee is created to study and fix this problem. That losers in presidential campaigns have won popular vote and lost election because of electors is enormously concerning and unacceptable.
Or lost the popular vote and were still elected into office.....
It is beyond the control of the federal government. It is up to the States, and their constitutions and electoral laws. And that is exactly what this case is about
But I guess Federal law requiems electors. I believe there is uniformity among UNITED STATES that make it one country managed by a central government. I understand states rights can differ. Right the muddling begins. I believe a search/study committee could work to resolve issues in a way to smoothe out this thing, voting, in an acceptable way. Does not ring difficult to me. Everyone gets a vote. No cheating.
I wish the United States would take a look how modern civilized societies handle these things. It's getting rather frustrating to watch how in a country with only two major parties the party of the wicked seems to get a carte blanche to break any law, rule and norm without any consequences. Now they are, of course, in the process of dismantling what little remains of guard rails and self-correcting mechanisms, the checks and balances that stand in the way of their unfettered tyranny by a minority.
why should a less populated state be less represented than a more poilated state? The electoral system is needed to be fair.
What's the most unfortunate part is, to me, is the evil of politicians picking voters, not voters selecting their politicians.
Basically once in power, power for life. That's NOT Democracy.
What a shocking mess
Three or four of the current SCOTUS at this point are illegitimate, trump's picks and Thomas
LOL. It's almost like you want a one-party state that you call "Democracy". In fact, that's EXACTLY what you want.
You do realize, don't you, that the very nature of SCOTUS justices being appointees is party why we aren't a direct democracy. We don't vote for justices. We use the republic strategy of assigning that role to the executive (to appoint) and legislative (to approve).
Do you realize this? Course you don't. Either that, or you don't care. Ideology first.
End lifetime appointments to justices!
Thank you Hari! You are the rare commentator that provides adequate background before reporting on a case in session.
Hari is a lightweight. The OBVIOUS question he should have asked was... what were the Democrats doing in response to the Republicans launching Redmap in 2010 besides breaking their arm patting themselves on the back for electing Obama (a record number of governorships and state legislatures lost during his two terms) and getting ready to coronate Hillary Clinton.
Shouldn’t we just let corporations control politics? Oh wait…
🎉 funny person!
Republicans have NOT thought this through.
Why did I listen to this? 😳
Why on Earth doesn't the US (and each of its constituent states) have an independent, non-partisan Electoral Boundaries Commission, staffed by career civil servants (and even a similar Voter Registration Commission)? All but one of the 24 EU nations have them, as do the UK, Japan, Australia, Norway, New Zealand, Canada, Switzerland, as do economically emerging nations, such as Kenya, RSA, and India.
Many states do. It is accomplished by a state wide ballot initiative to amend the state constitution.
And none of these democracies have an Electoral College. Get rid of it!
Based upon Census data. Current Census data.
There are so many things we could learn from other countries. To steal a line from Lewis Black "There might be countries out there giving shit away for free. . . Like Canada. You know what they give a way? HEALTH CARE!!!" We should stop trying to reinvent the wheel and look outside to find the best practices. . .
There's no such thing as "independent, non-partisan". Technically most federal agencies--CIA, IRS--are supposed to be non-partisan but we all know how that turns out.
Such a commission will still put its thumb on the scale based on either localized political pressure (whichever party is more dominant) or in response to kickbacks/donations.
There's no perfect solution. But there are ways to minimize corruption. Among the best is to only allow mail-in voting for the extreme few who cannot make it to the polls due either to distance (serving overseas) or infirmity (too sick to go in person). But the establishment class that actually takes a little-watched program like Amanpour and Company seriously wouldn't have that.
Shivers up the spine. What is going on. Terrible, suppressive, blatantly mean ideas. That Hawley creature with his raised fist remains their symbol for me.; forget the elephant.
They won't even try because they can't. I left the party and will never return. It's dead.
Problem lies in outdated Constitution..not just two political parties. Gerimandering every 10 years census with population changes. Big problem for all different interest groups...no one will agree
*Gerrymandering
This is bigger than gerrymandering.
If House districts had about 7 Reps and voters could split their vote between as many as they wanted, then gerrymandering would be impossible. This would also throw the door open for minor parties to get seats in the House, because their voters could vote for just 1 candidate. This can be done with a simple Federal law. We should also double the size of the House.
I wonder which was the first state to begin gerrymandering their districts to favor their party. After them the domino effect toke place and every state started doing the same thing.
*took (different meaning and pronunciation)
"Toke" rhymes with "spoke" and has to do with drug usage.
I live in NY State. If ISL becomes legal it wouldnt take much to COMPLETELY redistrict the State to ELIMINATE Republican Party representation at the State and Federal level...AND most County level offices. GOOD TIMES!!
That’s funny. 🙂
🤔 I’m not sure that’s enough to protect individual states.
@@l.w.4701 I don't think that was asserted.
I hope that the states keep control to change gerrymandered districts. Without it, the main party in thst state will keep control.
they start out saying this is a state legislature vs state supreme court issue, but then tell us that the consequences are national and will overturn future elections. How does that work?
Omg! Arnold Schwarzenegger needs to see this! I mean, everyone needs to see this!
State supreme courts should just rewrite laws because they feel like it?
Not
The election results in Michigan were also certified by the governor of Michigan and electors sent from Michigan only with regard to the opinion of the governor of Michigan. The State laws allowed the governor to send electors without regard to the ballots and in the last election all of the governors agreed to this exercise in state laws. The electoral college met without the States finishing the counting of absentee ballots. The representative from California explained how the electoral college met without the States finishing the counting of absentee ballots and we were waiting for questions... When they turned off the microphone and sent the camera outside. We watched the people on the steps react to the sound of the shot while the reporter described what happened on the floor . Yes someone has been shot and they are wrapping her neck in a flag and carried her to the ambulance but she died on the way to the hospital. Two more women were shot during the riot for very little reason and the rep from California was forgotten .
Because election trends are going against them, the GQP will try anything no matter how anti-democratic to try and remain in power. If a state wants to have representation in the federal government, they should be forced to play by federal rules and that includes such things as how congressional districts are drawn and how they conduct elections. Any state that subverts the electoral process, affects every other state in the union because state representatives set federal laws and policies. We have so many defects in our democracy that make it undemocratic it might be time for another constitutional convention to rewrite the whole thing. Many other democracy's have good examples of what works.
Sorry meant to add the CNAs to below. Great ladies.
Moore v. Harper is supposed to be heard this week, 2022-12-12.
gotta get that book over the shoulder
Someone needs to read the constitution. I love it when people talk with such firmness albeit totally partison
What part of the constitution do they need to read?
@NomadCat like the powers that are with the state legislatures. The legislatures were meant to have the power
*Someone (obviously just a typo)
*partisan.
There is case 22-380 up for a hearing by the Supreme Court.
You might as well work on what your rethoric will be ahead of time. It's not going to be easy,
If original intent is the standard then, clearly the fact that the Founders wrote state constitutions that had checks on the state legislatures indicates their understanding and so intent here. This is beyond doubt. Also, this has been ruled on and decided a few times going way back and as recently as about 2021.This theory is crazy.
This guy is so partisan
This doesn’t happen in the UK, The US president should have the last say, or why is he president??
State-Chattel are accustomed to awareness when it is "too late"
I'm living in a dystopian nightmare.
separation of powers. We dont have one federal election we have 50 state elections but this is still wrong
If he is a Republican the precedent is set to act with full powers. If he is a Democrat is a facilitator saviour of the right by neutralizing the people.
@@Ed_Gein Shouldn't we say the power of the people in Congress is a divided mechanism of the people's will while the other two branches act as a corrupted system to neutralize the resistance to the power of the wealthy class? The division of powers is a perverted system in the USA. Without true democracy there is no true way to stop the wealthy class.
Ugly possibilities😢
Or if defeated, it may further on, be a step to get rid of the electoral college. One person, one vote doesn't exist.
Is he saying the legislature means the legislature? So confusing 🙄
I just wanna hear him say 'gerrymandering'
everything that comes out of there is described in terms of division...
Constitution preventing needed changes re population representation by congressional districts Census every 10 yrs
Can’t wait to hear how this case is resolved!!
Civil wae is on the horizon.
Lock him up! Lock him up!!
What's really at stake here is absolute democracy versus representative democracy. The Republic was designed by the Founding Fathers to be the latter, in which the vote is restricted to those with a vested interest in the future of the country. Gerrymandering (by both parties) is an attempt to rig the system to favor one side. There are two practical solutions. One, we could reform the voting laws to restrict the right to vote to those over twenty-one who pay taxes and\or own property. This would effectively restore the Republic and make gerrymandering unnecessary. Or, two, we could grant statehood to every city with a population greater than 1 million voters and return all social programs and related taxes (redistribution of wealth) to the states, to be managed as their legislatures choose. In effect, each state would be limited to its own tax revenues in funding social programs -- leaving the federal government to manage issues of defense, foreign relationships, and the regulation of interstate commerce.
Ben Franklin foresaw from the beginning that the desire to expand the rolls of eligible voters would inevitably push the country toward absolute democracy, creating the absolute chaos we now see in Washington that reflects the same division among voters. Those who want Big Government and the socialist welfare state want absolute democracy, since they are not paying the bills. Those who do pay the bills want representative democracy. The two are philosophically incompatible, but they are distinguishable, since those who are dependent on government are largely urban and Democrats and those who pay the bills are largely suburban and Republican. Either solution above would resolve the dilemma short of civil war.
You’ve narrowed the concept of democratic representation to economics (taxes and property). And economics already inappropriately (violently) narrows the world into quantifiable abstractions called money and prices. Democracy concerns membership in a political community, that is, citizens self-governing through collective decision-making. It is the political community that holds the authority to make laws such as property and contract that make market possible. The constitution reflects this, citizenship precedes other rights. Wealth creation is specialized, but it is still a shared enterprise. Public infrastructure, a healthy and educated population, conditions of stability are necessary preconditions for functioning markets and individual wealth. That includes social programs that redistribute wealth across industries, geographies, classes, and crucially across the life course. Education and training is followed by middle life child rearing and labour market participation, and then end of life dependency. In most democracies, most people realize a net economic gain from the state over their lives. However, since economics is reductionist, non-economic factors such as cooperation, social stability, and mutual assistance function to mitigate risk and provide enormous advantage that isn’t visible through taxes and property.
Representative and absolute democracy is a false distinction. Owning property or paying bills denotes only a narrow contribution to shared prosperity, and certainly not an exclusive vested interest over others. However, even if we accepted your interpretation, it is empirically demonstrable that at present, cities are the primary wealth generators, and blue states are net contributors to federal budgets, while red states are net debtors. That is called, redistribution.
Democracy is on the cliff and could disappear sooner than we know!!!!
You are right so lets get rid of all the Democrats .
James Madison is spinning in his grave.
Hari is # 1 from a dedicated Tucker Fox viewer. Excellent interview
Is it much different in than Confederate nullification theory that held that the States held the right to nullify federal mandates? At some point our Republic agreed that in cases at law our Supreme Courts, State and Federal, have the power to rule over Legislative laws. I think the US Constitution may be mute on this point. Someone posted that Judicial Supremacy is a John ç, Marshall construct (not verified by me).
Appreciate Amanpour & Co, very unbiased
This is exactly what happened in FL. Legis drew maps, Gov didn’t like and Gov redrew lines.. no one challenged this action! This activity literally cancelled an entire minority-filled and minority-led district!
How can any state official or body do anything that would impact a Federal election? Never mind the spat between the Legislature and State Supreme Court, but how about federal rules for federal elections?
Make application to the SCOTUS, and you have Congressional and Senate Representation. Arguably, you have more representation at a federal level.
“Could” have. Remember Gogol’s story “The Lottery “? Don’t count your chickens until they hatch.
THIS SCARES THE HECK OUT OF ME. If the SC rules in favour of this, it means the state’s voters have no reason to go vote- they will know that the state legislature will vote any way that will be pnefit the party in power. Very, very concerning.
There already many young people in North Caroline who feel that way and have felt that way for many years, particularly black people, and more particularly young, black people. Recent elections, Obama’s for one, have begun to move the needle toward their participation in the political process. The demographics of future generations does not favor Republicans, they know this are are doing everything they can to prevent those whom they do not consider ‘their people’ from exercising their franchise-to vote, or at least to have their vote to count as much as much as their own people’s vote. In other words, they are intentionally dividing our nation along ‘culture war’ and racial lines in order to preserve their own hold on power. In my opinion.
Edit: And when they’re not actually doing the dividing, they are trying to take advantage of the divisions which which exist with the same aim: divide and conquer. Where they should be acting in a bipartisan manner to unite and build-up; they are weakening and destroying. As the Bible says, without leaders with vision (beyond their own power grabs), the people perish. In my opinion.
The Gerrymandering to accumulate power in the state legislature was supposed to be stopped by the civil rights act and the voting rights act but these laws were limited to the southeast of the USA. We expected relief nation wide and this normal standard of voting and districts boundaries had not reached the country yet.
In NC the Democratic Party gerrymandered from 1898 untl 2010. Most of the period after the CRA and the Voting Rights Act was one of control by the Democratic Party.
O.K. the USA is following the lead of Hungary.
Please look at AR? Please!
Term limits for all U.S. Senators and Congressmen and women.
This is a complex question that conservative judges like Alito and Clarence Thomas are trying to argue. However, Coney Barrett is a staunch historian on the constitution and she may be the one that stands up for her core beliefs and votes with liberal justices. Neal Katyal is doing a superb job arguing the case as well as the other two lawyers in this matter. If SCOTUS votes in favor of this bill, I believe, it will cause them to be demonized for their partisan positions...Just sayin'
Keeping bue states blue and red states red for decades to come. Gotta move more red people to blue states... But all the reds in Blue states moved to Florida instead. So Texas and Florida are red . And California and new york are deeper blue. Same old gridlock. Ohio went red but they hate "Blue" Michigan anyway
The idea that the Supreme Court would hear a case that has no legal, or historical precedent is most surprising.
The fight against tyranny is on going.
Nonsense. You could see a state all Supreme Court decisions are illegal. They could pass a law making the Democratic party illegal and punishable with a death sentence. It is a call for anarchy.
Perhaps it is time to end these voting district games and make all federal elections be by mail, with a postal address, voter verification and counting done in DC under heavily audited and televised supervision. In other words federal election rules should be 100% under the control of professional, career, non-political staff.
now that would end democracy and make it a gameshow
By the time it gets to this point... it's too late. Redmap was in the news enough since it's inception in 2010 that I'd heard about it and it's implications were clear. This was happening at the same time Democrats were focusing resources and power in the DNC instead of the states. Democrats lost a record number of state legislatures and governorships during Obama's two terms. And everyone could tell you the details of every plot twist in "Game of Thrones" but knew NOTHING about this shxt going on.
Yes the media sucks, but the question Hari Sreenivasan should have asked was... what were Democrats doing while Republicans were plotting the the collapse of democracy into authoritarianism. All they did was "act like the adults in the room" or "go high when they go low" instead of exposing and fighting back against the Republican plot. The Democratic party has been sleepwalking for decades. While Republicans were steadily destroying democracy, Democrats were smugly getting ready to coronate Hillary Clinton.
And Democratic voters are just fine with that... and here we are. You can elect as many Democrats as you want from here on out and it's too late. The fascism is a feature of our politics that has been allowed to grow so strong and pervasive, it is never going away. We're done.
I still don't understand how we got to a point where folks can draw a wacky, block by block zig zag "district" To create a win.
We have been doing that as a nation for over 200 years. The term itself goes back to 1812. The only difference now is that in NC, the GOP is in change, whereas for the previous century plus, the Democratic Party did the gerrymandering. Dems in 2022 complaining about gerrymandering have some nerve, considering that the Democrats wrote the modern playbook in NC on tjhe subject.
I am not familiar with the arguments being used in the hearing, but thinking about it, every legislature is a child of and subordinate to the Constitution which enlivened it. Accordingly it is at least primary face subject to the jurisdiction of the state Supreme court. If they are not co equal there is no separation of powers. Seems to me extremely clear wording in the state constitution would be needed to allow this reading.
You appear to leap from an objective fact, that a voting district is an arbitrary construct; to your favored analysis, that the issue is about who can make changes: legislature or courts. While the case in question is indeed about who gets to make changes, including and especially voting district boundaries, the point of the constitution’s clauses is that it NOT be arbitrary, but ‘free and fair.’ By trying to assert a non-constitutional character of voting district, you betray the constitution and the people by whom and for whom it was written and show yourself to be an enemy of the people, the constitution, law, order, and Justice. Our nation is being destroyed by people who make arguments such as you are making, all while sitting in smug satisfaction over the chaos they have created and continue to foment. In my opinion.
The system is rigged
It's a Facist movement. Damn Natis
Moving toward civil war?
I do hope the federal court rules that the state Supreme Court does have the responsibility to ensure fair elections in their own states.
This case is a no brainer for the SCOTUS. As per the so-called Elections Clause, Article I, Section 4, the Constitution directs legislatures to regulate congressional elections, which includes drawing district maps. The judicial branch of states--i.e. state courts--aren’t part of the legislative process. The SC of NC should have upheld the map put together by the NC GA. Although state courts can interpret election regulations, they can’t overturn the legislature’s maps unless they directly conflict with the U.S. Constitution or a statute enacted by Congress. Basically, the state court is trying to usurp a power justly held by the legislature. If Democrats don't like the state legislature, they can start winning elections again in NC, which they did for well over a century.
You appear pleased that a state roughly split equally in party choice may legally be governed , and select a president, and through creative gerrymander may select a president, by a vote the is racially biased. Where are your morals? Do your morals accept entrenched white superiority?
@@vvanderer I see your point. You admit that you have absolutely no case from a Constitutional perspective, so you desperately throw in the red herring of race in order to obscure that sad truth. Pathetic. When your side loses, and it will, it will have nothing to do with "white supremacy."
@@vvanderer And as for race, the Democratic Party in NC was essentially a one-party state for over a century, and throughout that time, that Party committed many atrocities against Blacks. It reached out to Blacks in the 1960's only after it became clear that there was no other choice, if it wanted to survive. Funny how the Dems had no problem for over a century with gerrymandering districts in order to hold onto power. Now that the table has turned, they say that the Republicans, who are merely following the longtime Democratic playbook, are violating "democracy," lol. Indeed, the Dems are being anti-democratic, by using the state's judicial branch to cancel out the will of the voters. Hence, this lawsuit. The solution to this is simple: Democrats have to start winning elections again. In order to do that, first they would need to attract voters with their competence, vision, and integrity. Good luck with that, lol.
Go home, Kari lake
The electoral college votes were sent without regard to ballots at all. The governors all behaved like Georgia governor and sent the electors to the electoral college meeting without the absentee ballots being counted. The actual electors sent were based solely on the numbers of the governors. Georgia decided Trump lost by one vote.
abort the court
Hard to believe Supreme CORRUPTION even took this case.
Read the Constitution
It is in it and it is that facts.
Your all Sheeple listening to lies.
State legislators over state Supreme Court. 👎👎
State legislators are corrupt.
stop blaming republicans for your failures and insecurities
This is absurd alarmism to suggest that democracy is threatened. Whether this is a good result is open to legit debate, but cut the drama. The "independent legislature" theory is not a theory. It is based on clear language in the constitution. There are, to be sure, other surrounding law and interpretation, but it is hardly a novel theory to implement directly what the constitution says.
You are mad!! The principle of free and fair elections is a prime directive for the running of ANY democratic elective process. That supersedes the power of partisan legislatures to manipulate voting outcomes, the People's will, no less!! BULLSHIT!
This isn’t a novel theory. It is what the founders wanted. State power. Initially the state legislature selected the senators not the people. Read some history
The founders also codified slavery into the constitution.
You only talk about democracy is not a democracy is a constitutional republic. I know you people probably don’t say the Pledge of Allegiance no more it doesn’t say I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America to the Republic. It doesn’t say to the democracy you people always say that democracy democracy it’s not there.
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ADD A FEW MORE JUDGES...THAT SHOULD DO IT!!!