My understanding of the one specific frame of Toga being this monster is totally her own view of herself at that moment. She wants to be cute. She wants to be seen as cute. And she was about to murder the only person that told her she liked her smile. She saw herself as this disgusting monster in front of a person she loves, which made her stop
I legitimately froze when I saw the Toga-Monster hovering over Child-Uraraka, knife raised grin wide. In any other context, it would be horrifying (and it still kinda is), but in the context of what we've just seen... it's just so fucking sad. To see this girl twisted and mishappen into a complete monster just because she was different. And then to see Uraraka NOT FLINCH, and simply extend her arm. I'm never going to emotionally recover from this.
Uraraka definitely has one of the craziest quirk awakenings in the series. Although Bakugo's was cool af, it can just be summed up as his whole body emitting his explosive sweat beads. Uraraka's awakening was on par with shigaraki's, almost exactly how his worked. Makes me wonder if she can just make a zero gravity field just by touching the ground or does it only effect touching loose items, if it's the former then it would be crazy as heck. Also props on her VA this episode, I heard that she cried on set and we can definitely hear it there. Those were real emotions we heard.
iirc it was a case of "each object activates the quirk for every individual object that is in direct contact with it and every individual object has it's own separate weight limit" i haven't checked for a LONG time though
When twice's blood is leaving toga, she is losing the person that she treauserd the most but at that same moment she just found someone who is willing to talk and understand her. Ochaco followings deku's mindset because he is the hero she admires, truly beautiful. But nex week we can talk more about how perfectly executed this subplot is
To think that a number of people when these chapters were coming out were like "uhm this is so ass. Ochako wanting to talk about her feelings with Toga? If she was smart she would have killed her already and spared everyone some trouble".....truly people who understand MHA story.
I KNOW RIGHT, this was so much better than when the chapters were coming out and tbf I really didn't expect the Toga conclusion to be so effective when I was reading it.
Yeah, we're getting into some real classic SOS MHA discussion territory with this one! They hit a full 90 minutes for season 3 episode 11 back in the day.
Something I love from uraraka is the parallel he had with deku this whole fight "I won't pretent I didn't see u smile" "I won't pretent I didn't see u cry" "Gravity is a quirk that doesn't hurt" "OFA is a quirk that doesn't kill" The scene were she shouts for the first time " you have a wonderful smile" Is the same scene of deku of "It's yours, your power not his" were both shoto hide his quirk and toga hide her smile
@@melkerlinderoth2742 thanks, i follow the manga and in there is more obvious cuz the panels, draw and pose are exactly the same when they say those words
@@superpeludo1735 i also just realised that, even if she didnt say the words, this is pretty much the "you looked like you needed saving" moment for Ochaco. So another parallel to the list!
So the thing about Toga looking at "normal" love is that she wanted that and was happy to take part in that, but she's incapable of doing it without involving blood. And because she's been punished repeatedly for trying, she's basically sent the message that she's not allowed to love or be loved at all. Which, again, she has the ability to do things that are genuinely affectionate and good and loving, but nobody was ever willing to explore healthy outlets for her specific issue. But imagine being told you can't love at all. That's what happened to Toga
Toga became a killer not because she likes killing or even violence, it's because no one will ever give her their blood, so she gets blood through murder. In reality, she never needs lethal amount of blood, just sucking splinter is enough, like a light kiss Toga was simply not "human" enough to be accepted, which is tragic because you can also say human express their love through kissing is also weird, consider how dirty mouths are, and how exchanging saliva is gross. If animals can talk, they'll probably treat us like how Toga was treated In some way, showing affection through "sucking blood" isn't that hard to understand. Humans hold hands to feel each other's warmth and feel affection from that, sucking blood allows you to literally taste that warmth, it's just considered taboo because blood is associated with pain. At least it's more comprehensive than sniffing butter or eating flees of someone's head
Some blood types are basically poisonous, even as ingested and that's not to mention how many kinds of diseases you can get - there's definitely good reason to have blood-sucking socially stapled "that shit's weird don't do that", and no while kissing is hardly sanitary even tongue kissing doesn't even come close to how dangerous ingesting blood is. Probably wouldn't hurt Toga though, so it's poetic that she finally found a friend who willingly said she'd let her have her blood. She just needed to be accepted for who she was, didn't have to turn into a murderer no.
I think this episode (for many reasons) is a great time to remember that “quirk” in the original Japanese is “kosei,” which translates to “individuality” (so “personality quirk” may be a slightly more accurate way to understand it than just “quirk”).
If anyone needs an example: If you replace “quirk” in Toga’s flashback with “individuality,” it even more directly and even more obviously fits as a message for Japanese and global society about how it’s not just about someone having a strong superpower that is hard to manage, it’s about how nails sticking out get hammered down. Toga was too strong of an individual, too unique in personality and behavior. She’s told to hide her individuality, not just her superpower. How is a young kid supposed to understand “stop being yourself” and “stop smiling because it looks weird”? It makes sense that she’d wonder, “Is everyone else just not being themselves then? Do they want others blood, too, but just ignore the desire/urge? Why can they smile, but not me? Why is sharing blood not normal?” Drinking blood is part of who she is, not just her power. It may not make sense to us, but is it truly okay to control something out of fear of the unknown, instead of trying to understand it first?
I saw someone else offer the counterpoint to what you're saying in that: the choice of the English word "quirk" for the Japanese "kosei" is actually a PERFECT choice. What is a "quirk" if not a part of us that makes us US? WIth season 7, I truly understand the intentionality behind that localization choice. Good job, English translators!
Horikoshi’s “quirk” allegory has always felt very reminiscent of the X Men franchise (and Marvel at large of course) about “mutations/mutants” and “inhumans” and how society interacts with “the other”. This arc is definitely one of the more overt examples of this. Seeing it all animated was truly something else!!
I found your channel a handful of MHA episodes ago and just subscribed. So many reaction channels are *only* a reaction and minimal discussion; they're little more than content thieves. You guys analyze and discuss at a level that even some scripted podcasters don't even get to. I was a literature major back in the day and really appreciate your insights and discussions. Really good stuff!
As a parent watching this, I couldn't help but think "I'd let my kid drink my blood and talk to them about how to control it", I was so mad at the parents. But this is based on Japanese society, where the eye of society is so heavy. Also that talk about people wearing masks made me think of the Tatemae/Honne concept in Japan, where Tatemae is the person that you show people in order to fit in a very strict society, and Honne is your real personality, which you only show very close people. Toga was living through her Honne, in a society that demands you only show Tatemae. That was a very good concept to show in the anime.
I'm sorry, but I don't agree with the whole “the other league of villains is just coworkers to her, she just loved twice" at all, they're her family, there's a reason why she was having a meltdown about not being able to use their quirks, for example, she used afo blood too, but didn't even think about him in that moment because she doesn't care or love him, and she knows it, so it's whatever, but she was in distress for not being able to use tomura and dabi, there's a reason why she was thinking about touya too, there's a reason why she thought about them all together, ochako saying she can't replace them as a group too, she knows they're important to her, THEM ALL, they're not just coworkers to her, that's her family, that's the people that she cares and the people who she felt safe with and accepted and loved
Uraraka's full evolution for her gravity control, her evolution of HSP to an Empath, and her final evolution of her absolute love of pretty much ALL people, and admitting she loves Izuku Midoriya. It got me SO MUCH and Uraraka is already my 2nd favorite character behind Izuku himself. All to save this girl that has no concept of actual love because its never a love she can receive back for what she's asking for. Toga a girl who was never allowed to smile. Look for love. And its all she wanted. So Uraraka gave hers. Here is what real love is. Here is real understanding. You can be you, and you can do it in this world that has said time and time again it doesn't want you. But compromise, apply, and understand. And after a hard fought war over getting to the bottom of her emotions, Toga gets what she had been begging for for years. What so many in this world all want and need. (Not including those that just...don't.) And she lifts everyone's problems away. I saw NONE OF THIS BUT URARAKA'S QUIRK EVOLUTION COMING. This threw me through EVERY loop. I didn't even think Uraraka could stop Toga because Toga clearly needs familial love not so much romantic despite her obsessions. So I was looking for characters that could possibly be related to Toga, and I thought it was going to be Monoma because Toga is the eldest sibling and I thought Monoma was the changed last name of the Toga family. While Uraraka would go save her man. Story did NOTHING of the sort and just had Uraraka brute force the most advanced levels of empathy and taking it to the limit, and I only discovered in THESE CHAPTERS that HSP can evolve into Empaths. And she found the love Toga needed by empathizing where no one but people like her and Izuku would dare. And I just fell out of my chair because it wasn't even CLOSE to what I thought was possible but made sense, and STILL checked off everything these characters are capable of. And now its one of my favorite fights in the entire show because it did such a great job blind siding me. (God and it only made me like Uraraka around Izuku that much more. Fantastic. They are just made for each other. Only someone of THAT level of compassion, care, and love of others could only ever find their true partner with the same level.)
As with the previous Dabi ED, this time, in epic episodes, there is sometimes a special ED in the end roll. This is a touching scene where Ochako and Togachan communicated with each other in just a few seconds. Thank you staff.
I always was able to like this storyline a bit, but I think this fight is what made me go back and actually reread through all of it to really understand it and it’s just so well done. From the Beginning, Uraraka had a love for Deku that made her want to be like him and emulate him, but because she felt like being a hero would conflict with her feelings, she concealed them and put on a mask, the same way Toga did her whole life. It’s why from the beginning Toga was able to understand and see through Uraraka and considered her “the sad one”, because unlike Uraraka, Toga was now living in her truth of who she was, someone who could openly love anyone and express it after years of repression. When the reporter from My Villian Academia shows up in togas thoughts, it reminds her of the fact that the common world sees Toga as just a help case/tragic story, and pities her way of life. But to Toga, she’s just living normally, she’s not faking. It’s why she couldn’t be twice completely, or the others. She didn’t want to murder people, she just wanted to be with the people who’d be able to make a world she could live in as herself. By Uraraka admitting her whole life story to her, and admiring how toga is able to do the one thing she can’t, express her feelings to the one she loves, she reaches Toga. Just by being someone with empathy. It makes sense because from the beginning, Uraraka’s feelings on life and people haven’t necessarily changed, but have just been reformed because of her experiences. Her wanting to see people happy stemmed from her parents. Her wanting to save the heroes comes from how she saw Deku giving his all even when broken. I even like how she admits that seeing someone bloodied and still doing their best is the coolest thing to her, because that’s what she’s always seen with both her parents and Deku. Hori just does a good job at tying things together and rewarding viewers for being invested.
Toga found a place in the League where she could be herself, but she couldn't talk to any of them about her struggles. It felt like trying to fix a leak with shoddy patchwork - a temporary solution that didn't address the real issue. She felt ostracized for being different and forced to conform to society because of her Quirk, similar to trying to fit a block into the wrong-shaped hole. She couldn't express her feelings to anyone in the League because not one of them had overcome their own challenges from society or personal issues. Then, Uraraka came along and became the person Toga could confide in. Toga didn't just want a place to belong, she wanted someone to truly understand her, and Uraraka became that person for her.
I started watching MHA right at the beginning of the pandemic (up until season 4) and Toga has been one of my top favorite characters since then. I had been waiting for some depth for her character so when I started reading the manga and the MVA arc came up and I was glad for the character backstory and whatnot, but I knew there had to be more. Even more so when it's during that arc that Toga is confirmed queer by saying she loves Uraraka, and then the gears started turning in my head to realize Toga is literally a prime example of the queer experience. Being born "different", not understanding why nobody acts like she does, the counseling, her parents calling her a "deviant", the supression and the mask. At this point Horikoshi had put up some very cool drawings of Toga and Uraraka and I began to notice the conection he was trying to convey in later chapters, so much that I even started to like the pair as a crackship, the type of ship that only existed and made sense in my headcanons and stuff. When I tell you that I remember exactly where I was when this manga chapter dropped it's because it was monumental for me. I was out of town in a long distance friend's house, it was around 10pm when I got to read the chapter and my jaw was on the damn floor. I couldn't believe my eyes, I feel like I was in an alternate dimension where Hori was a shojo manga creator. Twitter was in shambles that day and I was insufferably smug because I have been riding the togachako train since 2021. I'm so glad the adaption came out so well and that you enjoyed the episode. There's info going around that the voice actresses where bawling their eyes out during the recording and could barely see the script and it totally shows in the amount of emotion put into the lines. The music was also great, and the animation did so much justice to the manga panels. I also loved the discussion, I listened to the whole thing at work and I was smiling the whole time. I've actually been watching your videos and been suscribed since 2020 around the same time I started MHA and your reactions are my favorite since then. Waiting for your reactions to any show is kind of part of my routine now, I even watched some shows that you had already covered so that I could watch your reactions after because I love your commentary so much. :) I hope you enjoy the next episode as well.❤ TLDR; I'm so glad you enjoyed this episode and I loved the discussion, this truly was our yuri academia.
His dad got a LOT of explaining to do, considering how little he seems to be a part of his family's life. One would think that whatever working trip is less important than your child fighting for survival.
35:25 That's a really interesting thought! I always wondered why people like Monoma weren't just killed instantly by the Twice clones. Instead he got pinned down, but the Twice clones didn't seem to want to kill him. Before now I always thought of it as a minor plothole, I like your way of looking at it better
I want to encourage you and other anime onlies to please look for the manga panel of the Toga monster. It's legit one of my favorite things Horikoshi has ever drawn
that panel still haunts me: it’s so chillingly beautiful, Horikoshi’s art really improved a lot over the years and is genuinely some of my favourite in manga.
The reason why Shigaraki hates All Might so much, it's because the peace he brought was created by "removing villains", he didn't actually changed or saved anything, like Twice said, heroes only saved good people That's why Deku was so important, that's why Deku refused to kill Shigaraki, because treating villains as monsters that must be eradicated won't change anything, you can only stop them by understanding where they came from, and the first step will always be acknowledging they're human, and connect to their humanity Like Shigaraki said, heroes only covered up the wounds in society, eventually the maggots crawl out, what people like Deku and Uraraka are trying to do is to heal that wound, even if the patients will be kicking and screaming the entire time because the wound has already festered
*Toga finally got the love and validation that she needed and deserved all this time. If I’m being honest, despite everything she’s done, I do feel incredibly sorry for Toga. She was unfairly ostracized for how she expressed her love, but now, she’s finally met someone who accepts her.* *Uraraka is amazing.*
The bar was very low as well. Her parents were monsters and yet she was still trying to hold back even though her entire society was judging her and not explaining to her what she was truly doing wrong
I don't know if anyone noticed, but there were a lot of Spider-man references in this one. With the way that the Twice transformation kept covering and uncovering Toga, it was a lot like Venom with Eddie Brock. Then, there was how her obsession with another allowed Toga to mimick their abilities - first with Uraraka, and now with Twice. Although it wasn't necessarily web-slinging, Uraraka kept pulling and swinging about with her cable. And finally, Toga's unnatural interest and enjoyment of blood - specifically bloodshed - she's a lot like Carnage, another symbiote, Spider-man villain, and offspring or off-shoot of Venom - kind of how this version of Toga was. There was even the imagery of her morphing into a twisted, black, oozy form, like she was a symbiote herself from Spider-man. Interestingly, with this, Uraraka has become as much a tragic love interest of Toga's as she is for Deku. I've heard people who dislike that Uraraka is a love interest, but they never come at it from this angle and how there's always been this unspoken "interest" between her and Toga, as much, if not more, than with Deku.
Did not like this somewhat. To love a serial killer is crazy and they better not make that some excuse for what she did. But I have some sympathy for her and it's extremely sad, but doesn't excuse the worst stuff. She even killed the yellow hero Ururaka saw smiling in her special memory. Can even relatable because I'm autistic for example, but it couldn't reach my heart. Would have loved it and could have cried a lot if some things were different.
@@adyaflatuconsina6302 Yes but they aren't mutually exclusive. And if it was a move on her part to stop her then it's still a good thing but would be messed up if not true.
Ridiculous, embarrassing, incoherent, illogical, but it looks good! Ah yes, truly peak MHA. I hope the author never picks up a pen again. There is a limit to the suspension of disbelief, beyond which the story becomes too implausible to accept, let alone enjoy. That limit is reached when characters behave in ways that just don’t make sense. I’m more inclined to believe that somewhere in our world, there’s a glowing baby, than to accept that two people who have only spoken three times in a few months would have a conversation like the one those characters had in this episode. God, it truly isn’t given to everyone-the ability to write characters that behave like real social beings and make decisions that make sense. Add to that the fact that these two shallow characters, despite being on the show since season 1, have had so little development that even after 158 episodes, their personalities can be summarized in one sentence-and I’m being generous. Also, let’s not pretend that Toga wasn’t originally meant to be a disposable character. The author saw her popularity and decided to keep her alive, trying (not very hard) to make use of her. 158 episodes… This story has been going on for 158 episodes, and at the end-game, what does it offer us? Two shallow characters with meaningless ideologies spouting nonsensical words at each other while floating in the air. Yay.
Toga was definitely never a disposable character. There's a reason she and Dabi were introduced to the league before the rest of the new recruits. Characters such as Twice and Spinner are ones I could see getting bigger roles than Horikoshi was originally planning on, but for Toga and Dabi it's clear they were always going to be key players.
The author's on record saying Toga was written as a foil to Uraraka, and that's fairly obvious from their first interaction. I know this is bait, but it might help the believability if you could at least get that right lol.
My god, you know they absolutely loved an episode when you see a 1 hour+ long discussion
Hour long discussion? Now you're speaking my language.
Didn’t expect to see you here. Keep up the great work. 👍
@lollostlife2068 SoS has been my favorite reaction channel since I was a freshman in highschool
Yeah I know
I remember the consistent hour long discussions they would have season 2-3
@@sotoo actually it was long for season 3 not really season 2
My understanding of the one specific frame of Toga being this monster is totally her own view of herself at that moment. She wants to be cute. She wants to be seen as cute. And she was about to murder the only person that told her she liked her smile. She saw herself as this disgusting monster in front of a person she loves, which made her stop
EXACTLY. I'd go further and say that the grotesque, Bloodborne-esque monster form was what society MADE Toga see herself as her whole life.
I legitimately froze when I saw the Toga-Monster hovering over Child-Uraraka, knife raised grin wide. In any other context, it would be horrifying (and it still kinda is), but in the context of what we've just seen... it's just so fucking sad. To see this girl twisted and mishappen into a complete monster just because she was different.
And then to see Uraraka NOT FLINCH, and simply extend her arm. I'm never going to emotionally recover from this.
BEST SCENE. THAT was how society taught Himiko to see herself. Ochako saw through it.
Uraraka definitely has one of the craziest quirk awakenings in the series. Although Bakugo's was cool af, it can just be summed up as his whole body emitting his explosive sweat beads. Uraraka's awakening was on par with shigaraki's, almost exactly how his worked. Makes me wonder if she can just make a zero gravity field just by touching the ground or does it only effect touching loose items, if it's the former then it would be crazy as heck. Also props on her VA this episode, I heard that she cried on set and we can definitely hear it there. Those were real emotions we heard.
iirc it was a case of "each object activates the quirk for every individual object that is in direct contact with it and every individual object has it's own separate weight limit" i haven't checked for a LONG time though
The voice acting in this episode was so amazing. 2 bangers in a row!!!
When twice's blood is leaving toga, she is losing the person that she treauserd the most but at that same moment she just found someone who is willing to talk and understand her. Ochaco followings deku's mindset because he is the hero she admires, truly beautiful. But nex week we can talk more about how perfectly executed this subplot is
To think that a number of people when these chapters were coming out were like "uhm this is so ass. Ochako wanting to talk about her feelings with Toga? If she was smart she would have killed her already and spared everyone some trouble".....truly people who understand MHA story.
Ah, the usual manga murderhobos.
Unironically this is better than the Shiggy fight imo
that isnt what they said, they had a point with what they are actually saying
@@vnmememan8657what were they actually saying?
I KNOW RIGHT, this was so much better than when the chapters were coming out and tbf I really didn't expect the Toga conclusion to be so effective when I was reading it.
Hour long discussion is nuts, I had to double check they didn't accidentally upload the full length reaction
Yeah, we're getting into some real classic SOS MHA discussion territory with this one!
They hit a full 90 minutes for season 3 episode 11 back in the day.
@@DWargsthat was still long
@@DWargsthat was still long
@@DWargsthat was still long
Yeah my first time watching a long reaction from them
It's rare that I cry two weeks in a row watching an anime
Watch banana fish if you havent
Uraraka perfectly shows how being a hero is not just beating vilains, but helping people ❤
Something I love from uraraka is the parallel he had with deku this whole fight
"I won't pretent I didn't see u smile"
"I won't pretent I didn't see u cry"
"Gravity is a quirk that doesn't hurt"
"OFA is a quirk that doesn't kill"
The scene were she shouts for the first time " you have a wonderful smile"
Is the same scene of deku of
"It's yours, your power not his" were both shoto hide his quirk and toga hide her smile
She is following the hero she admires the most😊
Nice catch
@@melkerlinderoth2742 thanks, i follow the manga and in there is more obvious cuz the panels, draw and pose are exactly the same when they say those words
@@lucumpepvp6689 yeah and soon she will know that she is also his hero
@@superpeludo1735 i also just realised that, even if she didnt say the words, this is pretty much the "you looked like you needed saving" moment for Ochaco. So another parallel to the list!
The panel of Toga twisted into a Dead-Hand like monster, while young Ochako is still offering her blood.
Damn, it's powerful.
So the thing about Toga looking at "normal" love is that she wanted that and was happy to take part in that, but she's incapable of doing it without involving blood. And because she's been punished repeatedly for trying, she's basically sent the message that she's not allowed to love or be loved at all. Which, again, she has the ability to do things that are genuinely affectionate and good and loving, but nobody was ever willing to explore healthy outlets for her specific issue.
But imagine being told you can't love at all. That's what happened to Toga
Holy shit I can already tell that they loved the episode based on the hour long discussion
I'm worried that Jacob's beard will start burning like Endeavor after watching next week's episode.
Toga became a killer not because she likes killing or even violence, it's because no one will ever give her their blood, so she gets blood through murder. In reality, she never needs lethal amount of blood, just sucking splinter is enough, like a light kiss
Toga was simply not "human" enough to be accepted, which is tragic because you can also say human express their love through kissing is also weird, consider how dirty mouths are, and how exchanging saliva is gross. If animals can talk, they'll probably treat us like how Toga was treated
In some way, showing affection through "sucking blood" isn't that hard to understand. Humans hold hands to feel each other's warmth and feel affection from that, sucking blood allows you to literally taste that warmth, it's just considered taboo because blood is associated with pain. At least it's more comprehensive than sniffing butter or eating flees of someone's head
Some blood types are basically poisonous, even as ingested and that's not to mention how many kinds of diseases you can get - there's definitely good reason to have blood-sucking socially stapled "that shit's weird don't do that", and no while kissing is hardly sanitary even tongue kissing doesn't even come close to how dangerous ingesting blood is. Probably wouldn't hurt Toga though, so it's poetic that she finally found a friend who willingly said she'd let her have her blood. She just needed to be accepted for who she was, didn't have to turn into a murderer no.
I think this episode (for many reasons) is a great time to remember that “quirk” in the original Japanese is “kosei,” which translates to “individuality” (so “personality quirk” may be a slightly more accurate way to understand it than just “quirk”).
If anyone needs an example: If you replace “quirk” in Toga’s flashback with “individuality,” it even more directly and even more obviously fits as a message for Japanese and global society about how it’s not just about someone having a strong superpower that is hard to manage, it’s about how nails sticking out get hammered down. Toga was too strong of an individual, too unique in personality and behavior. She’s told to hide her individuality, not just her superpower. How is a young kid supposed to understand “stop being yourself” and “stop smiling because it looks weird”? It makes sense that she’d wonder, “Is everyone else just not being themselves then? Do they want others blood, too, but just ignore the desire/urge? Why can they smile, but not me? Why is sharing blood not normal?” Drinking blood is part of who she is, not just her power. It may not make sense to us, but is it truly okay to control something out of fear of the unknown, instead of trying to understand it first?
I saw someone else offer the counterpoint to what you're saying in that: the choice of the English word "quirk" for the Japanese "kosei" is actually a PERFECT choice. What is a "quirk" if not a part of us that makes us US? WIth season 7, I truly understand the intentionality behind that localization choice. Good job, English translators!
Horikoshi’s “quirk” allegory has always felt very reminiscent of the X Men franchise (and Marvel at large of course) about “mutations/mutants” and “inhumans” and how society interacts with “the other”. This arc is definitely one of the more overt examples of this. Seeing it all animated was truly something else!!
- You think I’m cute?
- Domain expansion
- You think I’m cute?
- Release
Man, those were some crazy weeks, weren’t they?
I found your channel a handful of MHA episodes ago and just subscribed. So many reaction channels are *only* a reaction and minimal discussion; they're little more than content thieves. You guys analyze and discuss at a level that even some scripted podcasters don't even get to. I was a literature major back in the day and really appreciate your insights and discussions. Really good stuff!
As a parent watching this, I couldn't help but think "I'd let my kid drink my blood and talk to them about how to control it", I was so mad at the parents.
But this is based on Japanese society, where the eye of society is so heavy. Also that talk about people wearing masks made me think of the Tatemae/Honne concept in Japan, where Tatemae is the person that you show people in order to fit in a very strict society, and Honne is your real personality, which you only show very close people. Toga was living through her Honne, in a society that demands you only show Tatemae. That was a very good concept to show in the anime.
I'm sorry, but I don't agree with the whole “the other league of villains is just coworkers to her, she just loved twice" at all, they're her family, there's a reason why she was having a meltdown about not being able to use their quirks, for example, she used afo blood too, but didn't even think about him in that moment because she doesn't care or love him, and she knows it, so it's whatever, but she was in distress for not being able to use tomura and dabi, there's a reason why she was thinking about touya too, there's a reason why she thought about them all together, ochako saying she can't replace them as a group too, she knows they're important to her, THEM ALL, they're not just coworkers to her, that's her family, that's the people that she cares and the people who she felt safe with and accepted and loved
Uraraka's full evolution for her gravity control, her evolution of HSP to an Empath, and her final evolution of her absolute love of pretty much ALL people, and admitting she loves Izuku Midoriya. It got me SO MUCH and Uraraka is already my 2nd favorite character behind Izuku himself. All to save this girl that has no concept of actual love because its never a love she can receive back for what she's asking for. Toga a girl who was never allowed to smile. Look for love. And its all she wanted. So Uraraka gave hers. Here is what real love is. Here is real understanding. You can be you, and you can do it in this world that has said time and time again it doesn't want you. But compromise, apply, and understand. And after a hard fought war over getting to the bottom of her emotions, Toga gets what she had been begging for for years. What so many in this world all want and need. (Not including those that just...don't.) And she lifts everyone's problems away. I saw NONE OF THIS BUT URARAKA'S QUIRK EVOLUTION COMING. This threw me through EVERY loop. I didn't even think Uraraka could stop Toga because Toga clearly needs familial love not so much romantic despite her obsessions. So I was looking for characters that could possibly be related to Toga, and I thought it was going to be Monoma because Toga is the eldest sibling and I thought Monoma was the changed last name of the Toga family. While Uraraka would go save her man. Story did NOTHING of the sort and just had Uraraka brute force the most advanced levels of empathy and taking it to the limit, and I only discovered in THESE CHAPTERS that HSP can evolve into Empaths. And she found the love Toga needed by empathizing where no one but people like her and Izuku would dare. And I just fell out of my chair because it wasn't even CLOSE to what I thought was possible but made sense, and STILL checked off everything these characters are capable of. And now its one of my favorite fights in the entire show because it did such a great job blind siding me. (God and it only made me like Uraraka around Izuku that much more. Fantastic. They are just made for each other. Only someone of THAT level of compassion, care, and love of others could only ever find their true partner with the same level.)
This was outrageously gorgeous, and more than paid off for the airtime Toga has gotten all season. Bravo!
They are killing it were these discussions and predictions. Love it!
As with the previous Dabi ED, this time, in epic episodes, there is sometimes a special ED in the end roll. This is a touching scene where Ochako and Togachan communicated with each other in just a few seconds. Thank you staff.
Is it me or Jacob is looking like an old greek philosopher????
I always was able to like this storyline a bit, but I think this fight is what made me go back and actually reread through all of it to really understand it and it’s just so well done. From the Beginning, Uraraka had a love for Deku that made her want to be like him and emulate him, but because she felt like being a hero would conflict with her feelings, she concealed them and put on a mask, the same way Toga did her whole life. It’s why from the beginning Toga was able to understand and see through Uraraka and considered her “the sad one”, because unlike Uraraka, Toga was now living in her truth of who she was, someone who could openly love anyone and express it after years of repression.
When the reporter from My Villian Academia shows up in togas thoughts, it reminds her of the fact that the common world sees Toga as just a help case/tragic story, and pities her way of life. But to Toga, she’s just living normally, she’s not faking.
It’s why she couldn’t be twice completely, or the others. She didn’t want to murder people, she just wanted to be with the people who’d be able to make a world she could live in as herself. By Uraraka admitting her whole life story to her, and admiring how toga is able to do the one thing she can’t, express her feelings to the one she loves, she reaches Toga. Just by being someone with empathy.
It makes sense because from the beginning, Uraraka’s feelings on life and people haven’t necessarily changed, but have just been reformed because of her experiences. Her wanting to see people happy stemmed from her parents. Her wanting to save the heroes comes from how she saw Deku giving his all even when broken. I even like how she admits that seeing someone bloodied and still doing their best is the coolest thing to her, because that’s what she’s always seen with both her parents and Deku.
Hori just does a good job at tying things together and rewarding viewers for being invested.
This is the best analysis I've seen re: this bit of the story, I never made some of these connections before but it makes sense!
Fun fact, horikoshi actually did say that he wrote toga specifically for ochako 🥰
Toga found a place in the League where she could be herself, but she couldn't talk to any of them about her struggles. It felt like trying to fix a leak with shoddy patchwork - a temporary solution that didn't address the real issue. She felt ostracized for being different and forced to conform to society because of her Quirk, similar to trying to fit a block into the wrong-shaped hole. She couldn't express her feelings to anyone in the League because not one of them had overcome their own challenges from society or personal issues. Then, Uraraka came along and became the person Toga could confide in. Toga didn't just want a place to belong, she wanted someone to truly understand her, and Uraraka became that person for her.
MHA is a masterclass at tearing your heart out 😭❤️
I started watching MHA right at the beginning of the pandemic (up until season 4) and Toga has been one of my top favorite characters since then. I had been waiting for some depth for her character so when I started reading the manga and the MVA arc came up and I was glad for the character backstory and whatnot, but I knew there had to be more.
Even more so when it's during that arc that Toga is confirmed queer by saying she loves Uraraka, and then the gears started turning in my head to realize Toga is literally a prime example of the queer experience. Being born "different", not understanding why nobody acts like she does, the counseling, her parents calling her a "deviant", the supression and the mask.
At this point Horikoshi had put up some very cool drawings of Toga and Uraraka and I began to notice the conection he was trying to convey in later chapters, so much that I even started to like the pair as a crackship, the type of ship that only existed and made sense in my headcanons and stuff.
When I tell you that I remember exactly where I was when this manga chapter dropped it's because it was monumental for me. I was out of town in a long distance friend's house, it was around 10pm when I got to read the chapter and my jaw was on the damn floor. I couldn't believe my eyes, I feel like I was in an alternate dimension where Hori was a shojo manga creator. Twitter was in shambles that day and I was insufferably smug because I have been riding the togachako train since 2021.
I'm so glad the adaption came out so well and that you enjoyed the episode. There's info going around that the voice actresses where bawling their eyes out during the recording and could barely see the script and it totally shows in the amount of emotion put into the lines. The music was also great, and the animation did so much justice to the manga panels.
I also loved the discussion, I listened to the whole thing at work and I was smiling the whole time. I've actually been watching your videos and been suscribed since 2020 around the same time I started MHA and your reactions are my favorite since then. Waiting for your reactions to any show is kind of part of my routine now, I even watched some shows that you had already covered so that I could watch your reactions after because I love your commentary so much. :) I hope you enjoy the next episode as well.❤
TLDR; I'm so glad you enjoyed this episode and I loved the discussion, this truly was our yuri academia.
It is really uncanny how much her crush looks exactly like Deku. His dad got some explaining to do lol
Also Ochako quirk awakening was so damn good
His dad got a LOT of explaining to do, considering how little he seems to be a part of his family's life.
One would think that whatever working trip is less important than your child fighting for survival.
11:53 Damn this moment... The build-up for it, the music. I think it may just be up there as one of my favorite moments of all anime 😄
Jacob is trying to morph into anime Socrates with these hairstyle and a beard😂
35:25 That's a really interesting thought! I always wondered why people like Monoma weren't just killed instantly by the Twice clones. Instead he got pinned down, but the Twice clones didn't seem to want to kill him. Before now I always thought of it as a minor plothole, I like your way of looking at it better
I want to encourage you and other anime onlies to please look for the manga panel of the Toga monster. It's legit one of my favorite things Horikoshi has ever drawn
that panel still haunts me: it’s so chillingly beautiful, Horikoshi’s art really improved a lot over the years and is genuinely some of my favourite in manga.
The reason why Shigaraki hates All Might so much, it's because the peace he brought was created by "removing villains", he didn't actually changed or saved anything, like Twice said, heroes only saved good people
That's why Deku was so important, that's why Deku refused to kill Shigaraki, because treating villains as monsters that must be eradicated won't change anything, you can only stop them by understanding where they came from, and the first step will always be acknowledging they're human, and connect to their humanity
Like Shigaraki said, heroes only covered up the wounds in society, eventually the maggots crawl out, what people like Deku and Uraraka are trying to do is to heal that wound, even if the patients will be kicking and screaming the entire time because the wound has already festered
over an hour!!! been waiting to see this animated ever since the chapter came out and it delivered on every front
Yeah
Im here after the 1 hour discussion
*Toga finally got the love and validation that she needed and deserved all this time. If I’m being honest, despite everything she’s done, I do feel incredibly sorry for Toga. She was unfairly ostracized for how she expressed her love, but now, she’s finally met someone who accepts her.* *Uraraka is amazing.*
The bar was very low as well. Her parents were monsters and yet she was still trying to hold back even though her entire society was judging her and not explaining to her what she was truly doing wrong
@@DetroitSmash she better go to jail for life
I don't know if anyone noticed, but there were a lot of Spider-man references in this one. With the way that the Twice transformation kept covering and uncovering Toga, it was a lot like Venom with Eddie Brock. Then, there was how her obsession with another allowed Toga to mimick their abilities - first with Uraraka, and now with Twice. Although it wasn't necessarily web-slinging, Uraraka kept pulling and swinging about with her cable. And finally, Toga's unnatural interest and enjoyment of blood - specifically bloodshed - she's a lot like Carnage, another symbiote, Spider-man villain, and offspring or off-shoot of Venom - kind of how this version of Toga was. There was even the imagery of her morphing into a twisted, black, oozy form, like she was a symbiote herself from Spider-man.
Interestingly, with this, Uraraka has become as much a tragic love interest of Toga's as she is for Deku. I've heard people who dislike that Uraraka is a love interest, but they never come at it from this angle and how there's always been this unspoken "interest" between her and Toga, as much, if not more, than with Deku.
HOUR LONG DISCUSSION FTW
The Togachako crowd is still screaming!
And that monster Toga design has big Soul Eater energy.
Just a beautiful episode!
More than one hour??!! Holy fuck
Damn this was a long discussion first time seeing that for my hero academia
Bros discussion on blood type is insane!! 這也能猜到！
Gonna be honest at the time when this was in the manga I never saw uruaka dieing
15:33 I think I can tell which one is your dominate hand judging by the amount of time left in the video XD
Like I saw from the manga this episode was pretty great as always
it's one tear jerker after another!! q_q
They actually had 25 episodes. The first four were recaps. Still better than recaps in between the season
For me I still would see it as 21 episodes honestly
Yeahh I mean the other seasons is 25 but I always see it as 24 cuz the first is always recap@@watchforever1724
Loved this discussion and reaction ❤
for those who read the manga, is this related to the chapter where she is an angel on the cover??
The only cover with an angel i can think of is Uraraka as an angel which isn't for the MHA manga but a spinoff non canon series called team ups.
Absolute cinema 🖐🖐
1:11:03 I personally couldn’t disagree more. Don’t give my boy the Spider-Man treatment.
"They're gay! They're gay!" 😂😂
First watching a long reaction on the channel for this
🖐️C I N E M A🤚
Yeah
1:11:10 man is this a horror show?
SOS BROSS
Jacob, you really let yourself go mate :O
I think,
MHA is ｢Japanese style Political correctness ｣
Still feels undercooked
Did not like this somewhat. To love a serial killer is crazy and they better not make that some excuse for what she did. But I have some sympathy for her and it's extremely sad, but doesn't excuse the worst stuff. She even killed the yellow hero Ururaka saw smiling in her special memory. Can even relatable because I'm autistic for example, but it couldn't reach my heart. Would have loved it and could have cried a lot if some things were different.
Ofc..Ochacho is not throwing that fact away..but putting more fuel and gas to the gone too far psychopath would've been a dumb move😂
@@adyaflatuconsina6302 Yes but they aren't mutually exclusive. And if it was a move on her part to stop her then it's still a good thing but would be messed up if not true.
hola:3
If you guys want a break from all the heartache BNHA has brought down upon all of us, I recommend My New Boss Is Goofy.
I do not like this episode . I went over my head
Ridiculous, embarrassing, incoherent, illogical, but it looks good! Ah yes, truly peak MHA. I hope the author never picks up a pen again.
There is a limit to the suspension of disbelief, beyond which the story becomes too implausible to accept, let alone enjoy. That limit is reached when characters behave in ways that just don’t make sense. I’m more inclined to believe that somewhere in our world, there’s a glowing baby, than to accept that two people who have only spoken three times in a few months would have a conversation like the one those characters had in this episode. God, it truly isn’t given to everyone-the ability to write characters that behave like real social beings and make decisions that make sense.
Add to that the fact that these two shallow characters, despite being on the show since season 1, have had so little development that even after 158 episodes, their personalities can be summarized in one sentence-and I’m being generous. Also, let’s not pretend that Toga wasn’t originally meant to be a disposable character. The author saw her popularity and decided to keep her alive, trying (not very hard) to make use of her.
158 episodes… This story has been going on for 158 episodes, and at the end-game, what does it offer us? Two shallow characters with meaningless ideologies spouting nonsensical words at each other while floating in the air. Yay.
Toga was definitely never a disposable character. There's a reason she and Dabi were introduced to the league before the rest of the new recruits. Characters such as Twice and Spinner are ones I could see getting bigger roles than Horikoshi was originally planning on, but for Toga and Dabi it's clear they were always going to be key players.
The author's on record saying Toga was written as a foil to Uraraka, and that's fairly obvious from their first interaction. I know this is bait, but it might help the believability if you could at least get that right lol.
How can you be this hopelessly wrong and come here to write this without second thoughts?
It doesn't make sense to.people with no depth.
Terrible bait