This is bad news and all, but I'm sorry Jose your choice of thumbnail for this video of you absolutely beaming while holding up the phone losing WhatsApp is so funny 😂💀
Not a single person I know has ever used WhatsApp. The only reason many people know about it around me is scammers contacting them asking to message there.
KaiOS had potential, but without communication apps makes it difficult. I don't mind for whatsapp, even if it's very popular on my region. A new Telegram client is in the works and will soon be available, I'm hoping for it.
I needed this video :( last week i bought an Ipro K2 with KaiOs. I was so happy to have a featured phone but i didn't run whastapp. I look for information in every place of internet but i couldn't found any certain answer. I return the phone and asked for my money back thinking that there was a problem with this particular device. Thanks for the info! greetings from Chile
I wonder if this will be the nail in the coffin for KaiOS and finally convince the handset manufacturers to stop releasing new KaiOS devices? Appreciate the PSA by the way! I wasn't previously aware of this and it will affect some people I know.
That's hard. I tried the Nokia 6300 4G and on last friday it isn't really work and it's not available in the kai os store. So welp, I need to look after another dumbphone with a key, which isn't expensive. Thank you Jose for the Video on this :)
That's so sad :( Thanks for the news and thanks for the dumbphone finder website which is awesome ! I'll have to consider a transition from my Nokia 6300... hope to find nice alternatives in Europe !
Question: Which feature phones run Android 14 and will get upgrades in the future? I don't really need Whatsapp, but I would like to have a good mp3 player with folder play and m3u playlist possibilities so I can run my music library from the Sd-card. There's probably more such music players around for Android than there is for KaiOs and S30+...
There are no android phones that have promised updates sadly. The best you can do is the TIQ Mini M5 with the latest OS. If you want support and updates, dumbing down a smartphone would be the best option
@@JoseBriones The TIQ Mini M5 looks great, but not available in Europe, I think. I have tried to dumb down my Samsung A14, but I miss a physical keyboard. Thanks for your advice anyway, maybe I might stumble on a TIQ M5 here in Europe, I will keep an eye for it.
The problem isn t what's will not work on kaios, is kaios that in europe is not going to release any software update. Around the world version 3.0 is already available since a couple of years or something. I would love to see a serious flip or dumb phone sold for 250-300€ with a good hardware, nice built quality, right memory and display.
Just received a KaiOS device to day. I have tried workarounds to try get WhatsApp going and not succeeding. The phone is useless to me now. I bought it on a trip to Aus. Returning it will be too difficult.
Sin el WhatsApp, no tendría caso usar el WiFi, solo te queda la opción de mensajería convencional y llamadas. Recién perdí perdí la opción en mi kaios de usar WhatsApp 🥲😕
Thanks for the warning. I don't use WhatsApp except to call home from Scotland. I have a Nokia 6300 for work that has no camera. It is otherwise a good phone.
i never really saw the point of KaiOS. if you want an open-source linux-based phone operating system, you can just install Android. With all the optimisations google has made it will probably have better battery life and offer more hackability and updateability. i think there is however space in the market for a lighter operating system, like nokia's S30+.
Al parecer no es tan bien visto por las grandes empresas el auge que estan teniendo los feature phones. Quitarles WhatsApp es hacer que varios poseedores de estos teléfonos terminen regresando a un smartphone con scroll infinito. Ojalá los SMS volvieran a ser la forma principal de comunicarse usando texto.
Almost there tbh. We will have to see over the next few months if they are able to gather traction on other apps or convincing WhatsApp to come to KaiOS 3.0
I don't need WhatsApp and I don't care. I installed WhatsApp a few months ago just for curiosity and I didn't use it even once. What matters for me is working web browser, working Google Maps, contacts and calendar sync and nice modern looking UI. I use phone for SMS messages and plain calls. Not USA; Central Europe, Poland. What would be nice for me - working Facebook Messenger, with notifications about new messages. Notifications never worked and Messenger is not there in KaiOS after Meta introduced encryption. But it's not big deal for me, it's just small inconvenience only.
Hi i have a cat22 flip but in the Netherlands it keeps stopping the connection to my provider and keep saying no service, stores say its because of 3g, i still can’t find solutions but i have given up and now i realy still want a dumbphone but work and fam use whatsapp unfortunately maybe you could help me with finding a phone in Europe. You mentioned the tt phone, help me out :) thank you for the video :)
@@JoseBriones thank you for your fast reply, I’m very sad that the cat s22 stopped having service for me cause its been the best i had so far, i have a question though maybe you could test it. When i had to go somewhere i hanged the cat 22 on my backpack and as i was skating or biking i could just listen to the voice instructions without having to look at the screen. Does the ttfone support maps, it does not need to have accurate gps full function but direction indications do you think it could support something like that? Would love to keep that way of commuting around, otherwise i would go for a bike gps but that’s more money haha, maybe you could stresstest maps a moment on the tt970 Thanks again for doing these videos, very informative :).
Hi jose. i am new to the channel. thanks for the information. can u please help me by telling mek which keypad phone has whatsapp now as i want a dumb phone with whatsapp only. Sad i got my hands on nokia 2720 one day back lol and i didnt know about this. would be returning soon
We just have to learn to transition ourselves away from time-sucking, data-mining apps in general. I know it's not easy but remember that most of what people sent on WhatsApp was inconsequential and forgettable.
yeah, i think it would be great if the EU mandated fall-back to RCS for messenger apps (or even SMS). then we'd all have a way to communicate securely with an understandable financing model.
Hi Jose, I bought a nokia 2720 but it doesn't have a functional SIM in yet. The device does have whatsapp installed. Does this mean I won't be able to use it, as I haven't already logged in to whatsapp? 😪
hello i have ordered the palm phone from ebay i want to ask that can i do gaming on it ? 2nd question : does it laggs 3rd question: can i use the palm phone as my personal use ? 😊😊😊
Idk. I never tried gaming on it. I don't think the phone is made for that. Does it lag? It depends on the apps you use. You can use the palm phone whichever way you want!
Saw you after buying one, These fkers big techs will never let me shift to dumb phones. Migrated WhatsApp to my laptop Bluestacks as I don't use Whatsapp that much.
No way 😭 I wanted a flip phone with WhatsApp but accidentally ordered a Nokia 2780 flip without WhatsApp. I just ordered the Nokia 2720 flip to have WhatsApp. Now I can send that back aswell 😭
KaiOS esta en declive y Meta no quiere mantener la aplicacion. Es una lastima, pero la plataforma no ha avanzado lo necesario durante los ultimos meses/años.
İts meaningless to have a dumbphone with features like whatsup, hotspot. Because you cannot use them effectively. Your battery drains like hell. You cannot even get half day in heavy use of these features
It’s most likely due to technical details, like encryption. It needs frequent updates, processing power, key infrastructure, etc… I was wondering how they got Whatsapp on there in the first place, as it claims to have strong end-to-end encryption for years now.
KaiOS didn't provide enough reason for Meta to update or support KaiOS on the long term. That's the simple answer, but it's composed of many other issues.
This is bad news and all, but I'm sorry Jose your choice of thumbnail for this video of you absolutely beaming while holding up the phone losing WhatsApp is so funny 😂💀
I wanted to provide some humor :)
which you did, I suppose :-)
This is the end of KaiOS.
No. More the end of WhatsApp...
Not a single person I know has ever used WhatsApp. The only reason many people know about it around me is scammers contacting them asking to message there.
@@looking_33 And in some countries everyone is using Whatsapp.
@@looking_33 What are the people around you using? sms?
@@chosenArchitec iMessage most prominently and sms otherwise, they are also compatible/integrated with sms limitations of course.
KaiOS had potential, but without communication apps makes it difficult. I don't mind for whatsapp, even if it's very popular on my region. A new Telegram client is in the works and will soon be available, I'm hoping for it.
I have not heard anything about this Telegram client. I would love to load that into my Nokia banana phone. Do share more if you can.
@@halfey Not an official client. It's being built by an independent developer. Should launch in a few days, will work for 2.5 and 3. It's on reddit
Makes sense as its front end is foss.
final nail in the coffin for kaios
"Kai OS is loosing WhatsApp support"
Jose: 😊 🚫
wow this is a dealbreaker. i feel like they had such a strong trajectory a few years ago, too
I needed this video :( last week i bought an Ipro K2 with KaiOs. I was so happy to have a featured phone but i didn't run whastapp. I look for information in every place of internet but i couldn't found any certain answer. I return the phone and asked for my money back thinking that there was a problem with this particular device. Thanks for the info! greetings from Chile
I wonder if this will be the nail in the coffin for KaiOS and finally convince the handset manufacturers to stop releasing new KaiOS devices?
Appreciate the PSA by the way! I wasn't previously aware of this and it will affect some people I know.
Should be if they are unable to secure other messaging platforms.
Good update. You mentioned the CAT S22 as an alternative. But the manufacturer of Cat Phones, Bullitt, has gone out of business earlier this year.
True. Still will support WhatsApp for longer, but that’s a good point.
The sign of the end for Kai OS .
Thanks for the update lad.
That's hard. I tried the Nokia 6300 4G and on last friday it isn't really work and it's not available in the kai os store. So welp, I need to look after another dumbphone with a key, which isn't expensive.
Thank you Jose for the Video on this :)
this happened to me exactly one week ago in Chile :(
Why don’t more low end OEMs use Android Go? You get all the essential apps with Android Go and none of the clutter.
It's not profitable either. They are more interested in selling the hardware than providing support to a device.
I really need a phone with basic call function and whatsapp. only these 2 are enough for me. any suggestions
That's so sad :( Thanks for the news and thanks for the dumbphone finder website which is awesome ! I'll have to consider a transition from my Nokia 6300... hope to find nice alternatives in Europe !
KaiOS had so much potential. Whatsapp is necessity nowadays so dumphone with it must exist
Question: Which feature phones run Android 14 and will get upgrades in the future?
I don't really need Whatsapp, but I would like to have a good mp3 player with folder play and m3u playlist possibilities so I can run my music library from the Sd-card. There's probably more such music players around for Android than there is for KaiOs and S30+...
There are no android phones that have promised updates sadly. The best you can do is the TIQ Mini M5 with the latest OS. If you want support and updates, dumbing down a smartphone would be the best option
@@JoseBriones The TIQ Mini M5 looks great, but not available in Europe, I think. I have tried to dumb down my Samsung A14, but I miss a physical keyboard. Thanks for your advice anyway, maybe I might stumble on a TIQ M5 here in Europe, I will keep an eye for it.
Aaargh, just ordered one yesterday
Such a putty… I loved my energizer E241S…
I am Japanese.
Today, Orbic released the Orbic JOURNEY Pro 4G, the first cell phone with KaiOS in Japan. WhatsApp is not very popular in Japan.
Dude.... luckily i am not buying this phone yet. Maybe i'm longing for the f22 pro then. Thankyouu for the info
I think they should follow what japan is doing and release android based keypad phones. Then you can sideload Whatsapp APK
The problem isn t what's will not work on kaios, is kaios that in europe is not going to release any software update. Around the world version 3.0 is already available since a couple of years or something. I would love to see a serious flip or dumb phone sold for 250-300€ with a good hardware, nice built quality, right memory and display.
Just received a KaiOS device to day. I have tried workarounds to try get WhatsApp going and not succeeding. The phone is useless to me now. I bought it on a trip to Aus. Returning it will be too difficult.
Sin el WhatsApp, no tendría caso usar el WiFi, solo te queda la opción de mensajería convencional y llamadas.
Recién perdí perdí la opción en mi kaios de usar WhatsApp 🥲😕
Thanks for the warning. I don't use WhatsApp except to call home from Scotland. I have a Nokia 6300 for work that has no camera. It is otherwise a good phone.
I'm getting the vibe that WhatsApp is a very big deal, but only outside the US?
Yes. Other countries use WhatsApp for calls and texts. That is the main form of communication in a lot of areas of the world.
oh this is the end
i never really saw the point of KaiOS. if you want an open-source linux-based phone operating system, you can just install Android. With all the optimisations google has made it will probably have better battery life and offer more hackability and updateability.
i think there is however space in the market for a lighter operating system, like nokia's S30+.
Because Android will never be nor run well of a $10 to $50 device.
That's so sad. I can't call my mom in other country
the beginning of the end of kaios
Best option is using IRC or webrtc through the browser. Maybe email? Have you ever set up email on KaiOS?
Email is slow, but it works on KaiOS
What’s the best unlocked flip with voice to text
Probably the CAT S22 Flip
While very basic WhatsApp support was there, it was mostly useless since Linked Devices was never supported on KaiOS
I lost whatsapp installed but error message "something went wrong"
Another mobile phone lying in the drawer.
I’m from South Africa what phone could I use that’s like kaios phone with WhatsApp
Its the end of an era
Al parecer no es tan bien visto por las grandes empresas el auge que estan teniendo los feature phones. Quitarles WhatsApp es hacer que varios poseedores de estos teléfonos terminen regresando a un smartphone con scroll infinito. Ojalá los SMS volvieran a ser la forma principal de comunicarse usando texto.
A huge deal breaker
Will come back someday?
Most likely no
Is KaiOS basically dead at 5his point?
Almost there tbh. We will have to see over the next few months if they are able to gather traction on other apps or convincing WhatsApp to come to KaiOS 3.0
@@JoseBrionesi heard some rumor that google assistant can't be used either on kai os. Is it true?
@@Adnardiean True
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Dang I just switched to a Nokia. Guess I’ll use it for the next year and then search for a different Android based one :/
I don't need WhatsApp and I don't care. I installed WhatsApp a few months ago just for curiosity and I didn't use it even once. What matters for me is working web browser, working Google Maps, contacts and calendar sync and nice modern looking UI. I use phone for SMS messages and plain calls. Not USA; Central Europe, Poland.
What would be nice for me - working Facebook Messenger, with notifications about new messages. Notifications never worked and Messenger is not there in KaiOS after Meta introduced encryption. But it's not big deal for me, it's just small inconvenience only.
Hi i have a cat22 flip but in the Netherlands it keeps stopping the connection to my provider and keep saying no service, stores say its because of 3g, i still can’t find solutions but i have given up and now i realy still want a dumbphone but work and fam use whatsapp unfortunately maybe you could help me with finding a phone in Europe. You mentioned the tt phone, help me out :) thank you for the video :)
TTfone 970 should be your best bet for Europe
@@JoseBriones thank you for your fast reply, I’m very sad that the cat s22 stopped having service for me cause its been the best i had so far, i have a question though maybe you could test it. When i had to go somewhere i hanged the cat 22 on my backpack and as i was skating or biking i could just listen to the voice instructions without having to look at the screen. Does the ttfone support maps, it does not need to have accurate gps full function but direction indications do you think it could support something like that? Would love to keep that way of commuting around, otherwise i would go for a bike gps but that’s more money haha, maybe you could stresstest maps a moment on the tt970 Thanks again for doing these videos, very informative :).
That bad so sad
Almost buy kai'os phone for daily Whatsapp only .. need to look new cheap small android phone for future 😅
Hi jose. i am new to the channel. thanks for the information. can u please help me by telling mek which keypad phone has whatsapp now as i want a dumb phone with whatsapp only.
Sad i got my hands on nokia 2720 one day back lol and i didnt know about this. would be returning soon
I've just bought a Nokia 6300 for business, most for WhatsApp... And don't know this... FFFFUUUUUUUCCCCCC
Me too.. Just ordered it yesterday, we are in the same sh*t
Is Emporia my only option in Europe, considering that I currently can't buy a TTfone in my country?
Try Amazon or eBay in your area. You may be able to get it that way. Emporia or Doro may be your only options though
Please do a full review video of new unihertz jelly max
I won't. The device is too large now and in my opinion not helpful for digital minimalism
@@JoseBrionesoh okay 😅
And KiaOS didn't l already suck. Damn. RIP KiaOS.
It never worked properly anyway and kaiOS was a buggy, battery draining unfinished mess. Probably better to forget WhatsApp altogether.
We just have to learn to transition ourselves away from time-sucking, data-mining apps in general.
I know it's not easy but remember that most of what people sent on WhatsApp was inconsequential and forgettable.
yeah, i think it would be great if the EU mandated fall-back to RCS for messenger apps (or even SMS). then we'd all have a way to communicate securely with an understandable financing model.
Hi Jose, I bought a nokia 2720 but it doesn't have a functional SIM in yet. The device does have whatsapp installed. Does this mean I won't be able to use it, as I haven't already logged in to whatsapp? 😪
Most likely this is the case. I believe only users who are already signed in before June 25 will be able to remain logged in.
can u plz tell me the battery time of palm phone
It depends on your use. Usually 1-2 days
Doro devices also have WhatsApp.
does the ebay app works in Australia
It should
so unfortunate. Well then Kai OS is kinda have low numbers lately. Damn, here we go the world with only Android and iOS again
KaiOS debería utilizar Telegram
hello i have ordered the palm phone from ebay
i want to ask that can i do gaming on it ?
2nd question : does it laggs
3rd question: can i use the palm phone as my personal use ?
😊😊😊
Idk. I never tried gaming on it. I don't think the phone is made for that. Does it lag? It depends on the apps you use. You can use the palm phone whichever way you want!
bro I don't understand your reply I want to ask that
does it lags or not
may I order it or not
I want the palm phone for my personal use
Saw you after buying one,
These fkers big techs will never let me shift to dumb phones. Migrated WhatsApp to my laptop Bluestacks as I don't use Whatsapp that much.
Wow.
No way 😭 I wanted a flip phone with WhatsApp but accidentally ordered a Nokia 2780 flip without WhatsApp. I just ordered the Nokia 2720 flip to have WhatsApp. Now I can send that back aswell 😭
Me tooo 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢 wanted flip device that support whatsapp. Since i cant buy emporia nor ttfone in my country 😢😢😢😢
No 😮
Jose, sabes porque ha pasado esto?
KaiOS esta en declive y Meta no quiere mantener la aplicacion. Es una lastima, pero la plataforma no ha avanzado lo necesario durante los ultimos meses/años.
@@JoseBriones es una verdadera lastima, KaiOS era una plataforma que empezó con mucha fuerza y prometía mucho...
is Telegram avaliable for KaiOS?
Not yet. There is someone developing the app though
@@JoseBriones cool, because i prefer telegram over WhatsApp
I JUST sold my Nokia 800 Tough.
İts meaningless to have a dumbphone with features like whatsup, hotspot. Because you cannot use them effectively. Your battery drains like hell. You cannot even get half day in heavy use of these features
F for KaiOS
shame on whatsapp ...
It’s most likely due to technical details, like encryption. It needs frequent updates, processing power, key infrastructure, etc…
I was wondering how they got Whatsapp on there in the first place, as it claims to have strong end-to-end encryption for years now.
Mal por Whatsapp 👎
Kaios was a doomed mess to begin with. First Facebook messaging died now WhatsApp... No point buying the crappy phones anymore
I would rather use Viber.
you look cute as always, jose ❤
Bad bad bad news i just sell a new phone nokia kaios
Is there any alternative to use an IP based messenger app on a flip phone? Like Signal or Telegram?
Not at the moment, but some people are working on clients!
Why is this happening? This actually terrible
KaiOS didn't provide enough reason for Meta to update or support KaiOS on the long term. That's the simple answer, but it's composed of many other issues.
@@JoseBriones Thanks for telling me Jose. I appreciate it very much.
Don't really care about Whats App.
So annoyed by this!! Arghhhh!
This is so bad
It is a sad reality tbh. I hope they find a way to bring it back, but not hopeful
KaiOS is trash.