it ain't stupid you don't know his full story of why he's doing all of this to not hurt his wife, all you people judge & act like he hates women on the regular. unreal.
@@strandedstranger6602 he not actively flirting w other girls right? the point is communication in the game he’s just trying to find a. dumb ass excuse
@@strandedstranger6602 why would he do it? Serious question could it be cause his wife doesn’t want him to play with girls or??? What other reason could it be? He just doesn’t support it so why would he defend anything
@@strandedstranger6602 how would having a female in a game hurt his wife? the only way it hurts his wife is if she knows he sees every single woman as a sexual object. Can't he see a woman playing without automatically creaming his pants? A woman exiting and minding her own business shouldn't affect him at all. A woman saying "they're mid" shouldn't affect him personally at all unless he automatically sexualizes her.
He's saying don't defend him on the side of being a weirdo for dodging girls in que. But defend his honor and his name after being called a misogynistic sexist for it cause Tarik knows him well and knows its not true. At least is what I understand and could get behind, but also this drama is absolutely retarded. Like everything not just Tarik in Jason
To me it really seemed like he wanted to call Tarik names got called out on it and when Tarik tried to defend himself Jasonr just went no that's not supposed to happen i was supposed to call you names and you weren't supposed to do anything
This whole conversation is just a loop of these 3 things: JasonR: asks ridiculous question Tarik: gives reasonable answer JasonR: IT’S NOT ABOUT THAT, YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT I’M SAYING
Basically Jason is arguing about it isn't about him queue dodging women. But that people have now painted him as a woman hater which is what makes him feel like it's being taken to far. But Tarik thinks the argument is about not defending him about queue dodging women. So I noticed many people not understanding this subtlety. Which is Jason thinks Tarik should've came out to say something along the lines of "He isn't a women hater, but I think what he did with queue dodging women isn't right, and that I've hung out with him and his wife and they seem like nice people who don't hate women". Just translating what's going on since everyone is seems so lost. I don't agree with Jason, but I think you misunderstood what he was saying.
@@freddie4682 jason isn't making any argument, he is calling tarik a L friend tarik gives a reason why he is not then jason says nuh uh. tarik gives a perfect analogy if i say he is not a sexist becuase he has female friends doesn't change the fact what he is doing is a sexist action, if he said no guys tarik isn't racist he has black friends while tarik is saying the n word on stream doesn't make him not a racist, he even said train and moe defended him did it stop the death threats? no saying oh i know the guy he isn't sexist when i met him doesn't do anything
Females aren't as good at video games which is why jasonr dodges them, its just a fact. no esports teams have females and never will. (not being sexist)
35:23 is all that needs to be said. Jason Q&A: 1. Are you dodging women? No. My game and pc crashes all the time. 2. Are you dodging women? Yes. Out of respect for my relationship. 3. Are you dodging women? No, I've played with women before on unrated and customs. 4. Are you sexist or misogynistic? No. But you chose to be a girl about it. 5. How am I an L friend? You are not defending my character. 6. How am I an L friend? I don't want you to defend me but you should've said I met Jason and he's not sexist or misogynistic. 7. How am I an L friend? You met me and my wife. We are not sexist in our in-person interactions so obviously we can't be sexist/miso ever. 8. How am I an L friend? You're neutral and that's fine. But you can't be neutral because you aren't defending me but I don't want you to defend me.
@Something Nice and all boys stuck in plat and diamond are objectively worse than the girls that carried themselves to IMM where they can play with JasonR. Yes there are probably more guys that are way better than women in valorant by just looking at the pro scene, but collectively dodging and muting ONLY FEMALES when they're in your games cause "women are just nowhere near as good as men" is am OBJECTIVELY sexist/mysogynistic way at looking at things. If you complain about every girl in your game inting you then think about every guy in your game that has inted you.
Dawg you’d be suprised while this has been happening I’ve seen so many girls say they’d drops their pants for Jason and I’m just like cmon ya’ll cmon 🤦 Edit: since people think I’m taking up for Jason I’m not, I think what he’s doing is completely unnecessary that being said I’m simply stating my expiriences with girls talking about Jason on Twitter, if you guys want some proof I can probably provide. Ty
Tarik - Disagrees with Jason's "personal choices" but he clearly knows Jason is not a "bad" person and is normal, so he remains in a neutral stance avoiding shit talking or backing up Jason and getting involved in general. JasonR - Feels like Tarik betrayed him because he doesn't back him up, but then goes on to say it isn't about backing him up even though he clearly wants him to. Jason needs to fight his own battles bro instead of trying to drag down others with him and results in him ruining relationships like with Tarik that could've been completely avoided.
They're good friends, jason doesn't want him to back him up, he wants a percentage of the people (Tarik's audience) to stop provoking him assuming he's a misogynist. Tarik knows the truth but he allows those in his audience to go off with this misogynistic narrative. Jason doesn't need full backing up, he just needs tarik to clarify why he's dodging queues since most of the degenerates that assume Jason's sexist are of Tarik's audience.
@@1prodliko He literally said he bans people for talking about Jason. Tarik didn't even know why Jason dodges his queues up until now so there's really no way of him "clarifying" why he dodged them in the first place
@@1prodliko its more like Jason does want Tarik to back him up. He literally asks Tarik to back up his character, which is backing him up like what. Also, Tarik can't control his audience man what. Also, which fucking friend would back up someone if he doesnt agree with what hes doing? jason is really not in the right position here
The moment he called tarik "L friend" and not "defending him" because of increased fame/viewership is the moment their friendship broke, maybe idk. Tarik was very understanding of Jason's reason why he dodges, offered suggestions on how to fix the mess, but Jason just didn't care and said "I wanted you to be a bear witness" bs. Dude messed up, just admit it. Personal reason why he dodges, but bruh it's not like you'll cheat on her immediately when there's a girl in the lobby. Pretty sure they're all decent human beings who can respect when someone has a partner in life.
Nah its just an excuse for avoiding women. He should just end up admitting doesn't like playing with women cause they can't compete with men in valorant the end. He should just be honest and continue avoiding women as long as he don't harass them. Its up to the public to criticize him whatever he wants and at the end of the day everyone moves on from it
lets not forget its not like a girl playing valorant is gonna go flurting or what ever they get harast most of the games anyways its just a bad excuse why dosent he just admit the he dosent play with girls cause he cares about winning too mutch
I do find it odd he dodges women but what are people so offended by? It’s his choice who he plays with. It’s not hurting anyone. People are acting like he’s a fuckin criminal lmao
Dude I don't know how Tarik is so patient i would literally loose my sht. That shows how Tarik is as a person. Never watched his stream before. And I know for a fact that a true friend would never let his friend do stuff that is wrong and support him. Isn't it obvious that Jason doesn't want to accept that he is wrong. Tarik was so clear but because he is friend of Jason he puts himself in a situation where Jason is literally messing with his mind. I would be so rude if I was called a L friend after all this time. Even doing the right thing. Man I just feel bad for tarik
@@ashieladeh Jason was dodging matches whenever there was a female in his team. Some were calling him misogynist and sexist. He was dodging females maybe because I am not sure Maybe because females can't play that well that's what he thinks. Dude is confused himself he's giving different reasons everytime. In this he said because of his wife. He wants to be honest with her.
JasonR realises that if he solo queues with a female it will effect his rank since 90% of females are trash at comp games based Chad. BEFORE you say im sexis I really don't care it's a fact thats why I said 90% AHAHAAHAHAH
@@pokimanesexbf6982 yeah a sexist one. It’s not an actual phrase or saying that is accepted. It’s literally just sexism, the whole thing he’s trying to say he’s not.
@@woodmm2 i think Tarik is a 100% right. But that sentence was pretty normal, he was using it as a stereotypical sentence. Because women are statistically more emotional than men.
Exactly, Tarik talked loudly and was super emotional through the whole thing and people got surprised about him calling Tarik a girl. People are so dumb. Not only that, but it seems like this "we love everyone and we're perfect group" cares more about somebody being called a girl than someone getting death threats, that's all you have to know about them.@@statings7671
Dude jason is the L friend. Imagine trying to drag others down with you when you’re supposed to be “friends”. His argument is so unrealistic and pathetic. Also just because someone met your wife and you’ve hung out with other peoples wife’s, doesn’t mean you’re not misogynistic. That’s like saying i’m not racist, I hung out with black people before. There’s no proof or relevance for the proof he tried to provide.
it's like saying "I haven't been outwardly racist in front of you so you know I'm not racist and you should tell that to the whole world even thoug there's obvious proof that I am indeed racist"
I'm so glad Tarik eventually did bring up his analogy about not being overtly racist while hanging out with you in person but exhibiting racist behavior on stream because it's a perfect analogy and it was so stupid that Jason's immediate response was just "don't use that analogy" because WHY NOT? Why can't he use that analogy? It's a perfect comparison. His in-person experiences with Jason do not refute the behaviors Jason shows on stream. Hanging out with some girls and having a wife doesn't make you not sexist. It's the same as the "I have black friends" argument. That's why it wouldn't make any sense for Tarik to have come forward about that because it doesn't change the nature of the situation at all, he can't prove that Jason isn't sexist. And furthermore, saying "he doesn't deserve death threats" is completely meaningless because nobody who would send death threats would be deterred by that statement.
I thought the same thing about the analogy at first. But it depends on what Tarik was doing to be racist. Using racial slurs against someone would be pretty hard to defend him as a person let alone the action. If in the analogy Tarik had said mildly racist jokes (I can't think of anything but let's assume something like this exists.) Then his action may or may not be defended, this depends on what the consumer depicts as humor but his character can still be defended. I.E. Tarik isn't racist that joke/clips is kinda F*cked though.
Jason is still a terrible friend though. He lied on some occasions to try and get Tarik to admit he was a bad friend, my assumption to get more "Character Witnesses." This would allow him to keep his behavior without any consequence as he would have people will with large followings implying "Jason, nah he just dodges woman he's not a woman hater" But later he could change the dodges woman part to other things.
@@ryuruben that's pretty fair. I think what he's trying to say is that, similar to if someone were making racist jokes on stream, it creates enough reasonable uncertainty that he personally wouldn't feel comfortable defending the person, especially if they continued to do it after being confronted. Also more generally you could interpret it as something like "how you act around your friends isn't necessarily proof of your character" which is probably why he didn't think it would make sense to give the "character witness" Jason wanted. I agree that ironically the "L friend" is definitely Jason for saying Tarik sounds like a robot who's never had a friend before, expects his friends to defend him and never be critical or give advice(that part was crazy to me) even when they disagree with their actions, accuses him of caring more about his viewer numbers than his friends, etc.
Analogy doesn’t make sense. You’re assuming dodging women is bc he’s sexist when he’s said (and Tarik agreed) it’s for personal reasons, his chats reaction, his relationship with his wife, whatever; however weird and twisted it is to do that doesn’t matter. So why can’t tarik say my friend isn’t sexist even if his behavior is weird and indefensible? That’s what a friend would do and all Jason was asking
I know this is from a year ago but your fucking wrong dawg. It’s a bad analogy because there is the intent/reason behind it. I’m black and if a mf didn’t fuck with black people because of some crazy shit happen and the person or reason why it happen was because of a black person I would understand where they are coming from and act like a human being. I’m not gonna hold that against them the same way you can hold someone being racist for no reason or because they truly have hate for that race. Someone saying i have black friends is them literally trying to tell you to your thick skull it’s not that I don’t like (using black for the example) black people but I may not like you as a person or whatever their circumstances are. It literally sounds like from what I knew from the situation that was blown up out of proportion is he tries to be respectful as he can be by not playing with them due to his wife. Say whatever you want about her and how dumb her reason is SURE but he is being a respectful husband and it makes sense he would be mad if people that knew him wouldn’t at least say something like “Jason interacts with women in the presence of his wife so it’s situational and this isn’t a situational they are comfortable with”. Something like that which is plain and simple and all people need to know. From that point on leave the dude alone
Jason just needs to make concrete proofs that he's not xyz instead of expecting someone else to cool his shits down, it's his problem in the first place and HE needs to do something about so to move on or so proving that it was never a thing
The fact that every time Tarik spoke about "the weird shit" he does Jason never responded with "I don't do that weird shit" or "those were lies" speaks volumes about the issue. Basically he is admitting to doing the weird shit he just wants someone to defend his character in spite doing the weird shit.
@@PuzzleBox83 He is even admiting to the fact that his "mah wife" excuse is bullshit. Since apparently playing with women in unranked or hanging with "countless women" is okay, but the line gets suddenly drawn when it's ranked Valorant.
Yeah, he should of said: I'm sorry everyone. I did it for shits and giggles, but this is escalated now and whole situation is getting out of control. I want to make a statement that I have no issues playing with anyone including females. I apologize for my previous action. End of story.
@@PuzzleBox83 I guess by that logic I could molest you and it wouldn't count so long as I said "oh no I didn't bitch". I'm not impartial to that train of thought actually.
A "real friend" doesn't just back you up and be a yes man whenever you majorly fuck up. A real friend will let you know that you've fucked up. Tarik is a W friend. Jason is saying some crazy shit.. How is he trying to separate backing someone up with giving an eye witness account???? they are one in the same. You can't give an eye witness account and simultaneously disagree w what he is doing. Jason is trying to claw himself out of the hole he dug himself into and it's embarrassing tbh.
For those who don’t know why tarik started the conversation by asking JasonR why he’s an L friend, it’s because tarik and Zellsis were queued in a ranked game. tarik was tilted because he was losing a few of his games and accused jasonr of queue sniping. Then JasonR said tarik is an L friend and they had an argument during the beginning of the game, and jasonr said to talk about it after the game, hence this whole conversation. Hope this makes sense!
Jason is clearly trying to attack tariks character by calling him a bad friend. sounds like he feels trapped in a corner and is panic deflecting blame to tarik for not "helping".
Jasonr cant understand that what he wants from Tarik is the same thing as to defend him and its so frustrating to watch. Its not tarik’s responsibility to defend him or be a character witness. You reap what you sow
If jason truly believes hes innocent, he doesnt need close friends to back him up. Bringing your close friends to support your controversial problems is already bad enough, let alone shitting on them for not backing you up. Say if i was caught using a racial slur. The last thing i would do is drag my friends along with me in the mud. You know when i would drag them to back me up? If i know i actually fcked up and i desperately need them to justify how im innocent. Jason is the L friend for putting that pressure and responsibility on Tarik
Agreed. But I do believe they are arguing 2 different points -- which Jason has conflated during the conversation. Point 1: JasonR is a woman hater Point 2: JasonR dodges queues with females on his team (which obviously mutually exclusive to point 1) - this is what Jason is trying to argue. No one would support a friend if they were outed to be a woman hater (just as you mentioned about being racist) -- because no one would agree with this perspective. But it sounds like Jason wants his friends to openly dispute point 1 while justifying point 2. Then Jason uses the Ninja excuse as to why he doesn't queue with females. The one point of contention that is a bit weird for me is that Tarik uses the position of agreement to decide whether a person is a friend or not. I have plenty of friends who I have disagreements with. So its weird that Tarik would say -- I disagree with your stance that you won't queue with women to honor your relationship with your wife -- therefore I won't play video games with you. I think they are both being kind of weird about this situation. Tarik called him out. Jason gave the reason. And it was more circle talking.
@@3xpression296 Right but Jason supposedly won't play with female steamers. By playing with him whilst knowing that, you are in turn supporting him while he is actively doing that.
@@hobbes296 That's exactly what the issue is. No one is willing to actually SAY what it is. If this was your friend, and you knew him. You'd either have to call him a woman hater and thus end your friendship with him, or, say its a personal matter between him and his wife and online females. Are you saying that if I take the stance that I don't want to play with 12 year olds, that I thus hate kids, and by me hating kids, you wouldnt be able to play games with me cause then youll support my kid-hating opinion? Lol. Its all stupid.
@@Icxelol Okay here is the difference. The problem people have with him is that he isn't playing with women right? That's also the problem Tarik has. You are actively involving yourself in that spcific situation the moment you play with him. I better analogy is that people have a problem with an artists song/lyrics and you still listen and buy those songs.. Why would you if you've just said you don't support that?
19:48 "You chose to be a girl about it." Great choice of words there, Jason! Honestly, I don't know what made me so bored to listen to 50 minutes of this "argument". I think 90% of the time was spent just trying to figure out what they were even arguing about. To sum up what was never concisely or fully said, JasonR thinks Tarik is an L friend because he remained neutral and never defended Jason's character as not being a misogynist despite him and his girlfriend having met and interacted with Jason and his wife, while Tarik says he did not defend Jason because he doesn't agree with him dodging women and (while only once briefly stated and hinted at by him throughout) thinks there is evidence of Jason being a misogynist due to his actions and doesn't believe his brief meeting(s) with him IRL give him the knowledge to say with certainty that he doesn't hate women. I think the funniest thing about this whole exchange is that the meaning of an L friend itself was never actually debated. If we're being real here, an L friend is someone not someone who supports their friends doing something they disagree with and lies to others about it, but someone who let's their friends know they don't agree with how they are acting/thinking and helps them to improve themselves. But Jason was adamant in the latter half that he has no interest in any advice whatsoever from Tarik, so there's that. Hope this saved you 50 minutes.
Tarik: why am I an L friend? Jason: you're not trying to help my character image. Tarik: *gives advice to help his character image* Jason: why are you helping me.
@@kodachifps This is an informal fallacy. We’re talking about JasonR exhibiting misogynistic behavior and you’re grasping at straws on a matter that isn’t even pertinent to this discussion.
Yup, and the fact that this whole situation could've been avoided if JR from the beginning admitted that he dodges women because of personal relationship reasons. JR still doesnt get that the general public are mad at him because he BLATANTLY lied, because deep down we all know he dodges women because his personal relationship reasons.
So what Jason is doing to Tarik? A friend is supposed to communicate and ask if the reasons are true before announcing a side. A friend is supposed to talk first and gather information before assuming shit. Tarik L friend.
100% and all people who defend Jason and call Tarık “L friend” are all showing their true colours and how garbage they are with interpersonal relationships.
Imagine if Jason just reacted to this drama initially like "yeah you know what, I saw the clips. I dodged some games and I admit what I did was kinda messed up. Sorry about that. I won't do it anymore." This whole drama would've lasted maybe 2 days instead of potentially damaging his career/reputation permanently. Makes no sense to die on this hill.
The most toxic part of this conversation is that Jason expects friendship to equal unconditional support. Just because Tarik is his friend doesn’t mean that he will defend him when he’s wrong or doing something wrong
3 mins and 21 seconds in and it's clear that Jason wants, consciously or unconsciously, manipulate Tarik into supporting him on the basis of "knowing him as a friend" while totally disregarding the facts at hand. Jason didn't try to explain why he doesn't want to play with women. Maybe because he doesn't have to. Just like Tarik doesn't have to support a position of someone, friend or not, if he doesn't understand or agree with that position. Tarik is totally right.
@Something Nice you do know there are women that play at high levels of games and do really well against their male counterparts. Geguri, UYU YUYU, Barcode, just to name a few off the dome. These women play against and have beaten males many times before. Stop spreading this BS when there are plenty of women that are more than capable at playing at a high level. shit is mad cringe.
@Something Nice I literally gave you examples of high level women that you chose to ignore by the way AND you failed to realize that only an incredibly small percentage of men actually play at a high level and the reason you don't see a lot of women at that high level is because of sheer numbers. Theres a lot more men in fps than women. It's not complicated to think about. When more women start playing and practicing then you'll start to see more at a higher level. Nothing to do with women not being capable.
I started watching Jason 6 months ago and even when the drama started I still watched him because I didn’t feel there was a strong proof but after him “trying” to clear up his name he just gets worst and worst literally he is digging his own grave. It’s truly sad and his chat is full of misogyny which makes it 100x worst. Now I rather watch Anyone else
He literally could've just stayed quiet and people would've stopped caring about him but he keeps bringing it back up. All he's gonna get out of this is more death threats and less friends
Its because he is guilty and he knows it, he is using this as a way to try and push the blame off to someone else with a bigger audience so they can squash it for him. But Tarik has a functioning brain and wont let him drag him under the bus. Jason is being a terrible "friend". Tarik should honestly drop this idiot and move on with his life.
@@woozy2171 bruh, ur dumb as bricks. When jason said that he didn't want tarik to defend his honor while asking him to be a witness to his character is the same thing. Jasonr is the L friend and you have an L brain.
his argument of basically "it's about my character I hang out with you and your girl and I'm not sexist" has the same energy as "I have a black friend so I can't be racist."
Jasonr makes zero sense. How could you possibly ask Tarik to talk about Jason’s character when there’s literally video evidence that would contradict Tarik and make it look like he supports the behavior or that he at least thinks it’s not that big of a deal. I just don’t get how you could possibly sit there and say you don’t want Tarik to defend him when he’s bringing up other people backing him up and he’s literally asking Tarik to take up for him based on his personal experience with Jason about his character.
Dude literally wants to get rid of all the death threats but instead of giving evidence and telling the real reason why he dodges, he attacks his own friend????
19:53 "YOU chose to be a fucking girl about it" - probably shouldn't be sexist while you're yelling at your friend for not defending you being a sexist. Having a wife doesn't mean you're not sexist.
Goddamn they ain’t even discuss the fact that their is literally screenshotted logs of his wife hating on other women and former mods who came out and said that Jason had them ban people who’s names are feminine or the fact that he banned a female mod when he found out she was female. Shit crazy. Jason need to stop the cap bro just doin more damage to himself at this point, there was literally nothing to gain from this conversation with Tarik and everything to lose.
If you notice he never denies doing any of those things. He just responds with "I have played with Women before." Like that takes away the other bad shit he did.
@@PuzzleBox83 He even specifies that he played with women in unranked. Dude is telling on himself basically, he dodges ranked games with women because in his mind they will drag his team down.
Hey Guy, reread my comment and tell me if I said he was sexist for not wanting a female on his team? I literally listed the reasons as to why he is seen as sexist and a misogynist. Stop trying to defend this shit, its pretty sickening to see people like you ngl
@@PuzzleBox83 Exactllyyy, I personally could care less about the dodging, though it is wrong, it doesn't bother me AS much. Its how he has treated females over the years that bothers me. It bothers me that none of his friends acknowledge his history with how he has treated females either and only keep talking about him dodging like thats the only wrong thing he has done. Tarik is the only one so far that has sort of acknowledged it.
Tarik was a walking W in this whole situation. JasonR was out of line in so many things and giving so many backhanded comments to tarik, and tarik still sits there, being the fucking legend he is. Big ups big bro! Fuck yeah
Jason: "Just make a statement of this "fact" you know about me that I'm not what people are saying I am, ok bud?" Also Jason: "Tarik... It's not about... I don't want you to defend me...just be a good friend??" Holy gaslighting.
@Something Nice how are you even trying to defend someone who contradicts themselves. I don't even care anymore what happened happened, but the attack on tarik was really dumb.
@Something Nice I mean the history of how his girlfriend acted around women in his chat kind of goes against that theory. I was literally a fan of him during this time and was there live. 2017 I think? But listen I don't wanna argue with ya. He can do what he wants tbh
Bruh this is so frustrating to watch. Literally watching jason struggle to understand what tarik is saying. Tarik is trying so hard to keep himself from getting mad
@@lionlewfuul Jason keeps saying hes innocent because he has vods and history of him playing games with women. If he truly believes hes innocent, he would simply provide those vods. But instead, he keeps saying "i dont have time to look it up". And on top of that, desperately wants tarik to back him up
There’s no evidence you could have of not being sexist what is he gonna do jus post a pic of him with some women HOWEVER lol there is so much evidence to say that he is sexist
@@franqueee What is odd is whenever Tarik talks about the "Weird shit" Jason has done Jason never responds with "I never did any of that weird shit" he deflects and says "I have played games with Women before."
he just wants someone to vouch for him cuz he cant himself n cant provide ANY proof...yeah he said he plays with girls in unrated/etc, but all the solid evidence is in comp...its kind of disgusting how hes persistent in pushing tarik to jus go out into his stream to vouch for him. if he didnt do any of these things he'd jus simply come out wit a tweet lmao
I don't get why he is in such a huff over Tarik. Sure if the dude was actively talking shit about you, sure. But the dude seems like he is just trying to stay out of it. He doesn't agree with Jasons whole thing and doesn't want to support it.
Exactly. But I’d call it dodging a bullet tbh. If a “friend” is acting like that, trying to drag me down because they messed _their_ shit up; that “friendship” is ending. This Jason guy is clearly in the wrong and wants Tarık to defend his sorry ass. Tarık would do good staying away from this guy.
Jason wants Tarik to say he's not a misogynist but if Tarik says that, he's defending dodging women, which isn't something he agrees with. I don't think Jason has the mental capacity to understand this.
honestly he digging his own grave, all he had to do was just apologize, explain why he does what he did, take a break from online for a while let everything blow over people would forget about it after like a week, but he made it way worse, I understand why he does it, while I think it's not a good reason to do it, we have to understand his point of view, it's his life it's either you accept it and keep watching his streams and supportong him, or you don't simple
@@user-vp6cq4sv3d i mean he wouldnt be apologizing to twitter, it would be to women lol. if it was trolling, i wouldnt have a problem with it, but it would be hella weird. but my guy is tryna die on this hill. also as im watching this, this man hella contradictory. "i know youre not talking shit" he says after saying "youre taking shit about me " 15 mins before
@@sad3624 I've noticed his screw ups too. But not buckling under the weight of a bunch of people gives me a personal bias where I feel inclined to respect the courage. Also I just think him deliberately muting women means absolutely nothing because it doesn't harm anyone. It's discriminatory but as I say no harm no foul.
Im only 23 minutes into this discussion, but from what I’ve gathered so far Jason is asking too much of Tarik. The only thing Tarik needs to say to be a good friend in my opinion is “Jason doesnt deserve to receive death threats for his actions” and I’m pretty sure he has said that in the past. Jason’s point of view for those that dont understand is he wants Tarik to put his foot down and NOT be neutral. Jason wants Tarik to say “I’ve met Jason and his wife in real life! They’re just regular people and dont deserve all the hate they’re getting, he’s my friend” They just have 2 different definitions of the word friend. Tarik is being true to himself and is clearly in the right here but Jason also isnt ‘wrong’ for his pov on friendship it’s just different and they dont understand why the other doesnt see their point of view. I think if Jason was in Tarik’s position he would stand up for him. And I also believe that if Tarik was in Jason’s position he wouldn’t want people to defend hm just because of friendship. (Also by definition sexism includes discrimination, so technically Jason is sexist for not playing with women even though I dont think he hates women at all)
Whole clip is jasonr asking Tarik questions and when Tarik replies Jasonr saying it's not about that. Like whu aren't you defending me and when Tarik tells him the reason he is like but it's not about defending. Thats all it is all 53 minutes
@@binkthepidgeon7 well that’s true he said that he could play unrated with them and not comp, so it’s maybe not just his toxic relationship but he also thinks girls are inherently bad at games. Otherwise he would have said I’ve played comp games with girls before not specify unrated games
No idea. He did mention and admit in this argument that he dodges games with girls because he respects his relationship with his wife enough because I guess people freak out that he's playing with girls..? It genuinely doesn't make any sense.
@@dambrew4419 i dont think so. i think hes just super inconsistent with his argument, theres clearly something that he needs to fix within his relationship.
"It's not about defending me" but I need you to defend me and be a witness of character, you are my friend you should defend me but again its not about defending me
There is some things I have caught up that makes this conversation never stop going in circles. 1. Jasons perspective: Wants Tarik to be a friend, and by that stating the fact that Jason is a really good person from their fellow experience and moments togheter. 2. Tariks perspective: Wants Jason to explain why he is dodging girls because he think it is weird and says he is not trashing him in any sort of way but can’t defend that matter cause he doesn’t support it. Jason is only saying to Tarik that he should defend him. He is then looking at his situation as an kind of personal situation that tarik should not have spoken about at all OR just said good things based on their irl friendship.(which Tarik could have done, but apologised for not taking that into account) What Jason is doing there is he wants Tarik to just support him and then he doesn’t respect that Tarik has a voice and values that he wants comment about. So we get one apology from Tarik but he is still a bad friend according to Jason. Then we might have to look at what is a good friend really like? Should a friend be supportive with not stating his opinion and say good thing about Jason. Or can Tarik say that he wants to help him by saying that this “dodging matter” is affecting him and he should figure it out with his wife. That could be a bit sensitive for Jason to hear an clear, constructive advice coming at him but that is something he should take in my opinion. If Tarik said supporting things only and not spoke about his values and opinion regarding Jason’s weird behaviour then I think he would be a more neutral and quite friend that just joins the pack of sheep friends that only talks about Jason’s character but not the specific weird behaviour. Sorry for long comment.
Tarik is not responsible for other people’s interpretations of what someone else did. He’s trying to hold a friend accountable, not attack them. That’s not being an “L friend.” That’s just called being a friend. A friend that stands up for them in the worst times, but also hold them accountable for their actions. The reason why Tarik probably didn’t bring it up is because he didn’t want to make it seem that he was making excuses for JASONR. JASONR keeps digging himself a hole and Tarik is throwing him the rope, but instead of just taking the rope, he burns that shit and keeps digging.
A friend is supposed to ask the other friend and investigate first, gather evidence, before assuming shit out loud to the public, and immediately saying "I don't condone it" before even asking the other friend if there's more to the story. L friend.
An innocent person would not say "you know what, that's fair" after 2:20 to 3:05. If I didn't do it I would refute the evidence, not say "that's fair." He definitely dodged girls, for whatever reason he had.
If Jason wasn’t guilty, people would’ve been witnesses to his character; the fact that people aren’t means that he is a character of misogyny and sexism; point blank.
The analogy does work in this situation. If Jason replaced the words "being racist" to "being sexist/misogynistic" then it relates exactly to his situation but he just doesn't process it because he is stuck in that mentality of avoiding women in his games
If he feel like a random girl in a random lobby can affect him and his relationship with his wife then that's a very shaky relationship. If anything that's on him if he thinks this random girl can affect their relationship. Or his wife is that controlling of who he hangout with which still paints their relationship in a bad way. Jason isn't on a find a partner site he's playing valorant. Ranked valorant where the object isnt to find partners. If he's just making it up because he thinks girls aren't good to play with him then he's gotta realize that the girls he's playing with our immortal and above. If anything the game literally has a mute system If it's that big of a deal just mute the girl unless his wife thinks just playing a game with a girl even when the girl is not interacting with her is cheating. I don't think he's dumb but having this argument isn't really painting him in a good light.
i feel so bad for tarik. he doesn’t want to get put in a situation where he puts HIS reputation at risk just to defend his friend who is CLEARLY in the wrong. he obviously doesn’t want any jasonr to get these death threats but he also doesn’t want to associate himself with someone who is known for being sexist. tarik is a walking W and made his points VERY clear. jason needs to learn from his mistakes and just own up to what he did.
Holy fucking shit. If I was in Tarik's shoes right here after giving Jason advice on how to make things better for the future, and he responds to me in that condescending manner I'm kicking him out the fucking lobby and unfriending him instantly.
Tarik is a W friend, true friends call each other out when one makes a stupid decision not blindly defending them
it ain't stupid you don't know his full story of why he's doing all of this to not hurt his wife, all you people judge & act like he hates women on the regular.
unreal.
@@strandedstranger6602 he not actively flirting w other girls right? the point is communication in the game he’s just trying to find a. dumb ass excuse
@@strandedstranger6602 why would he do it? Serious question could it be cause his wife doesn’t want him to play with girls or??? What other reason could it be? He just doesn’t support it so why would he defend anything
@@strandedstranger6602 Still doesn’t take away the fact he said something along the lines of “Dont be a girl about it.”
@@strandedstranger6602 how would having a female in a game hurt his wife? the only way it hurts his wife is if she knows he sees every single woman as a sexual object. Can't he see a woman playing without automatically creaming his pants? A woman exiting and minding her own business shouldn't affect him at all. A woman saying "they're mid" shouldn't affect him personally at all unless he automatically sexualizes her.
“its not about defending me . its about being a witness to my character” translation= its not about defending me, its about defending me
His character also includes the sexist side as well, so tarik cant defend it
thats what confuse me. hes saying its not about defending him but questioning why tarik doesnt back him up. im like : ?
He's saying don't defend him on the side of being a weirdo for dodging girls in que. But defend his honor and his name after being called a misogynistic sexist for it cause Tarik knows him well and knows its not true. At least is what I understand and could get behind, but also this drama is absolutely retarded. Like everything not just Tarik in Jason
I think he wanted people to say he wasn't sexist, whether or not they support the dodging
@@m0rk18 yeah thats what i got from this too
"You're not understanding me. You're not understanding me. You're not understanding me."
- JasonR, when he clearly didn't understand Tarik
Dude's literally trolling
To me it really seemed like he wanted to call Tarik names got called out on it and when Tarik tried to defend himself Jasonr just went no that's not supposed to happen i was supposed to call you names and you weren't supposed to do anything
@@jacobrosenbaum817 nice try.
This whole conversation is just a loop of these 3 things:
JasonR: asks ridiculous question
Tarik: gives reasonable answer
JasonR: IT’S NOT ABOUT THAT, YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT I’M SAYING
Basically Jason is arguing about it isn't about him queue dodging women. But that people have now painted him as a woman hater which is what makes him feel like it's being taken to far. But Tarik thinks the argument is about not defending him about queue dodging women. So I noticed many people not understanding this subtlety. Which is Jason thinks Tarik should've came out to say something along the lines of "He isn't a women hater, but I think what he did with queue dodging women isn't right, and that I've hung out with him and his wife and they seem like nice people who don't hate women". Just translating what's going on since everyone is seems so lost. I don't agree with Jason, but I think you misunderstood what he was saying.
@@freddie4682No, tarik’s point is literally just that it’s not his responsibility to defend him.
@@hugodl9073 Okay bud
@@freddie4682 jason isn't making any argument, he is calling tarik a L friend tarik gives a reason why he is not then jason says nuh uh. tarik gives a perfect analogy if i say he is not a sexist becuase he has female friends doesn't change the fact what he is doing is a sexist action, if he said no guys tarik isn't racist he has black friends while tarik is saying the n word on stream doesn't make him not a racist, he even said train and moe defended him did it stop the death threats? no saying oh i know the guy he isn't sexist when i met him doesn't do anything
Females aren't as good at video games which is why jasonr dodges them, its just a fact. no esports teams have females and never will. (not being sexist)
35:23 is all that needs to be said.
Jason Q&A:
1. Are you dodging women?
No. My game and pc crashes all the time.
2. Are you dodging women?
Yes. Out of respect for my relationship.
3. Are you dodging women?
No, I've played with women before on unrated and customs.
4. Are you sexist or misogynistic?
No. But you chose to be a girl about it.
5. How am I an L friend?
You are not defending my character.
6. How am I an L friend?
I don't want you to defend me but you should've said I met Jason and he's not sexist or misogynistic.
7. How am I an L friend?
You met me and my wife. We are not sexist in our in-person interactions so obviously we can't be sexist/miso ever.
8. How am I an L friend?
You're neutral and that's fine. But you can't be neutral because you aren't defending me but I don't want you to defend me.
Thank you
@Something Nice and all boys stuck in plat and diamond are objectively worse than the girls that carried themselves to IMM where they can play with JasonR. Yes there are probably more guys that are way better than women in valorant by just looking at the pro scene, but collectively dodging and muting ONLY FEMALES when they're in your games cause "women are just nowhere near as good as men" is am OBJECTIVELY sexist/mysogynistic way at looking at things. If you complain about every girl in your game inting you then think about every guy in your game that has inted you.
@Something Nice No bitches?🥺
This makes too much sense for what bullshit he was trying to pull
@Something Nice ?
i find it so funny that jason dodges for his wife as if any girl would start willingly flirting with him while playing games lmao
Dawg you’d be suprised while this has been happening I’ve seen so many girls say they’d drops their pants for Jason and I’m just like cmon ya’ll cmon 🤦
Edit: since people think I’m taking up for Jason I’m not, I think what he’s doing is completely unnecessary that being said I’m simply stating my expiriences with girls talking about Jason on Twitter, if you guys want some proof I can probably provide. Ty
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@@1donnie yea sureeee
Just let him do what he wishes to do its his choice why dont u all just mind ur business and carry on with ur lives
Pathetic
Tarik - Disagrees with Jason's "personal choices" but he clearly knows Jason is not a "bad" person and is normal, so he remains in a neutral stance avoiding shit talking or backing up Jason and getting involved in general.
JasonR - Feels like Tarik betrayed him because he doesn't back him up, but then goes on to say it isn't about backing him up even though he clearly wants him to.
Jason needs to fight his own battles bro instead of trying to drag down others with him and results in him ruining relationships like with Tarik that could've been completely avoided.
perfect take and recap 👍
They're good friends, jason doesn't want him to back him up, he wants a percentage of the people (Tarik's audience) to stop provoking him assuming he's a misogynist. Tarik knows the truth but he allows those in his audience to go off with this misogynistic narrative. Jason doesn't need full backing up, he just needs tarik to clarify why he's dodging queues since most of the degenerates that assume Jason's sexist are of Tarik's audience.
@@1prodliko He literally said he bans people for talking about Jason. Tarik didn't even know why Jason dodges his queues up until now so there's really no way of him "clarifying" why he dodged them in the first place
If you lot think Tarik is being anything other than a bowcat in this argument you lot are delusional.
@@1prodliko its more like Jason does want Tarik to back him up. He literally asks Tarik to back up his character, which is backing him up like what. Also, Tarik can't control his audience man what. Also, which fucking friend would back up someone if he doesnt agree with what hes doing? jason is really not in the right position here
"You're acting like a girl" he says as he's trying to explain that he's not sexist and misogynistic
💀💀no way bro
looking for this comment
not the exact words but he says it around 19:30 :)
Stop being butthurt its not that personal. He just meant stop being soft
@@flexgaming6840 then he should ve said "SOFT" and not "Girl" ffs..this is sexist. google the fking word if you don't understand it ffs.
The moment he called tarik "L friend" and not "defending him" because of increased fame/viewership is the moment their friendship broke, maybe idk. Tarik was very understanding of Jason's reason why he dodges, offered suggestions on how to fix the mess, but Jason just didn't care and said "I wanted you to be a bear witness" bs. Dude messed up, just admit it. Personal reason why he dodges, but bruh it's not like you'll cheat on her immediately when there's a girl in the lobby. Pretty sure they're all decent human beings who can respect when someone has a partner in life.
they know eachother for 7 years i dont think this will break their friendship. theyll get over it fast.
@@froglifes6829
Bro, broken trust and betrayal kills relationships. Can't feel they'll have your back when they'll attack you.
Nah its just an excuse for avoiding women. He should just end up admitting doesn't like playing with women cause they can't compete with men in valorant the end. He should just be honest and continue avoiding women as long as he don't harass them. Its up to the public to criticize him whatever he wants and at the end of the day everyone moves on from it
lets not forget its not like a girl playing valorant is gonna go flurting or what ever they get harast most of the games anyways its just a bad excuse why dosent he just admit the he dosent play with girls cause he cares about winning too mutch
@@jolong66 at least his avoiding them rather than harassing.
Tarik is a fucking legend. Need more people like him who stand behind their words.
Jason wants Tarik to vouch for him but claims he doesn't need to defend him, then proceeds to bring up how Roza and others back him up. SMH jason
Clown shit from Jason
He literally contradicts himself so much the entire time that I don't know how he still thinks he's correct in any fucking way HAHAHAH
Roza didn’t back him up lol, Roza on his own stream backed Tarik 😂
@@ark90 lmao yikes
I do find it odd he dodges women but what are people so offended by? It’s his choice who he plays with. It’s not hurting anyone. People are acting like he’s a fuckin criminal lmao
Dude I don't know how Tarik is so patient i would literally loose my sht. That shows how Tarik is as a person. Never watched his stream before. And I know for a fact that a true friend would never let his friend do stuff that is wrong and support him. Isn't it obvious that Jason doesn't want to accept that he is wrong. Tarik was so clear but because he is friend of Jason he puts himself in a situation where Jason is literally messing with his mind. I would be so rude if I was called a L friend after all this time. Even doing the right thing. Man I just feel bad for tarik
Can u pls tell what's jason doing and tarik doesnt support ?
@@ashieladeh Jason was dodging matches whenever there was a female in his team. Some were calling him misogynist and sexist. He was dodging females maybe because I am not sure Maybe because females can't play that well that's what he thinks. Dude is confused himself he's giving different reasons everytime. In this he said because of his wife. He wants to be honest with her.
It shows how he's grown too as he used to get angry easily back in the day
JasonR realises that if he solo queues with a female it will effect his rank since 90% of females are trash at comp games based Chad. BEFORE you say im sexis I really don't care it's a fact thats why I said 90% AHAHAAHAHAH
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"You're being a girl about it" how to invalidate your 20 minute argument with one sentence.
Its a euphemism
@@pokimanesexbf6982 yeah a sexist one. It’s not an actual phrase or saying that is accepted. It’s literally just sexism, the whole thing he’s trying to say he’s not.
@@woodmm2 It's not sexist at all. You just being a girl about it.
@@woodmm2 i think Tarik is a 100% right. But that sentence was pretty normal, he was using it as a stereotypical sentence. Because women are statistically more emotional than men.
Exactly, Tarik talked loudly and was super emotional through the whole thing and people got surprised about him calling Tarik a girl. People are so dumb. Not only that, but it seems like this "we love everyone and we're perfect group" cares more about somebody being called a girl than someone getting death threats, that's all you have to know about them.@@statings7671
Dude jason is the L friend. Imagine trying to drag others down with you when you’re supposed to be “friends”. His argument is so unrealistic and pathetic.
Also just because someone met your wife and you’ve hung out with other peoples wife’s, doesn’t mean you’re not misogynistic.
That’s like saying i’m not racist, I hung out with black people before. There’s no proof or relevance for the proof he tried to provide.
man i dont know what they are arguing about but it does sound bad to have "hung out with other peoples wives" 🤣🤣
@@big_2361 jason mutes girls instantly and dodges games when he hears them
Buddy, the HANGING OUT with women is meant to imply "you've seen me interact with women enough to know the sexism allegations are BS."
it's like saying "I haven't been outwardly racist in front of you so you know I'm not racist and you should tell that to the whole world even thoug there's obvious proof that I am indeed racist"
@@goblin3val this behavior happened even when he still playing csgo 💀💀💀
I'm so glad Tarik eventually did bring up his analogy about not being overtly racist while hanging out with you in person but exhibiting racist behavior on stream because it's a perfect analogy and it was so stupid that Jason's immediate response was just "don't use that analogy" because WHY NOT? Why can't he use that analogy? It's a perfect comparison. His in-person experiences with Jason do not refute the behaviors Jason shows on stream. Hanging out with some girls and having a wife doesn't make you not sexist. It's the same as the "I have black friends" argument. That's why it wouldn't make any sense for Tarik to have come forward about that because it doesn't change the nature of the situation at all, he can't prove that Jason isn't sexist. And furthermore, saying "he doesn't deserve death threats" is completely meaningless because nobody who would send death threats would be deterred by that statement.
I thought the same thing about the analogy at first. But it depends on what Tarik was doing to be racist. Using racial slurs against someone would be pretty hard to defend him as a person let alone the action. If in the analogy Tarik had said mildly racist jokes (I can't think of anything but let's assume something like this exists.) Then his action may or may not be defended, this depends on what the consumer depicts as humor but his character can still be defended. I.E. Tarik isn't racist that joke/clips is kinda F*cked though.
Jason is still a terrible friend though. He lied on some occasions to try and get Tarik to admit he was a bad friend, my assumption to get more "Character Witnesses." This would allow him to keep his behavior without any consequence as he would have people will with large followings implying "Jason, nah he just dodges woman he's not a woman hater" But later he could change the dodges woman part to other things.
@@ryuruben that's pretty fair. I think what he's trying to say is that, similar to if someone were making racist jokes on stream, it creates enough reasonable uncertainty that he personally wouldn't feel comfortable defending the person, especially if they continued to do it after being confronted. Also more generally you could interpret it as something like "how you act around your friends isn't necessarily proof of your character" which is probably why he didn't think it would make sense to give the "character witness" Jason wanted.
I agree that ironically the "L friend" is definitely Jason for saying Tarik sounds like a robot who's never had a friend before, expects his friends to defend him and never be critical or give advice(that part was crazy to me) even when they disagree with their actions, accuses him of caring more about his viewer numbers than his friends, etc.
Analogy doesn’t make sense. You’re assuming dodging women is bc he’s sexist when he’s said (and Tarik agreed) it’s for personal reasons, his chats reaction, his relationship with his wife, whatever; however weird and twisted it is to do that doesn’t matter. So why can’t tarik say my friend isn’t sexist even if his behavior is weird and indefensible? That’s what a friend would do and all Jason was asking
I know this is from a year ago but your fucking wrong dawg. It’s a bad analogy because there is the intent/reason behind it. I’m black and if a mf didn’t fuck with black people because of some crazy shit happen and the person or reason why it happen was because of a black person I would understand where they are coming from and act like a human being. I’m not gonna hold that against them the same way you can hold someone being racist for no reason or because they truly have hate for that race.
Someone saying i have black friends is them literally trying to tell you to your thick skull it’s not that I don’t like (using black for the example) black people but I may not like you as a person or whatever their circumstances are.
It literally sounds like from what I knew from the situation that was blown up out of proportion is he tries to be respectful as he can be by not playing with them due to his wife. Say whatever you want about her and how dumb her reason is SURE but he is being a respectful husband and it makes sense he would be mad if people that knew him wouldn’t at least say something like “Jason interacts with women in the presence of his wife so it’s situational and this isn’t a situational they are comfortable with”. Something like that which is plain and simple and all people need to know. From that point on leave the dude alone
Jason just needs to make concrete proofs that he's not xyz instead of expecting someone else to cool his shits down, it's his problem in the first place and HE needs to do something about so to move on or so proving that it was never a thing
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The fact that every time Tarik spoke about "the weird shit" he does Jason never responded with "I don't do that weird shit" or "those were lies" speaks volumes about the issue. Basically he is admitting to doing the weird shit he just wants someone to defend his character in spite doing the weird shit.
@@PuzzleBox83 He is even admiting to the fact that his "mah wife" excuse is bullshit. Since apparently playing with women in unranked or hanging with "countless women" is okay, but the line gets suddenly drawn when it's ranked Valorant.
Yeah, he should of said: I'm sorry everyone. I did it for shits and giggles, but this is escalated now and whole situation is getting out of control. I want to make a statement that I have no issues playing with anyone including females. I apologize for my previous action. End of story.
@@PuzzleBox83 I guess by that logic I could molest you and it wouldn't count so long as I said "oh no I didn't bitch". I'm not impartial to that train of thought actually.
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An entire gender got shaken up and triggered by a single man. Unbelievable.
@@NutBuster99 tf are you talking about
@@NutBuster99
Holy shit all of the 3.9 billion women in the world all rioted because JasonR is too much of a baby to play valorant with women? Crazy 💀
@@NutBuster99 indian detected opinion rejected (jk)
@@alaaye5237 so women aren't? I wish youtube allowed posting images under comments...I cud show you the twitter tl filled with political correctness 🤣
A "real friend" doesn't just back you up and be a yes man whenever you majorly fuck up. A real friend will let you know that you've fucked up. Tarik is a W friend. Jason is saying some crazy shit.. How is he trying to separate backing someone up with giving an eye witness account???? they are one in the same. You can't give an eye witness account and simultaneously disagree w what he is doing. Jason is trying to claw himself out of the hole he dug himself into and it's embarrassing tbh.
Well said about the real friend
thank you for typing my exact thoughts
Agreeeed. Tarik giving Jason advice is being a W friend
Yea exactly, if it was completely a lie without ANY evidence then a friend can support but there is too much evidence
What is this shit about character witness? Are we in court or something lol?
Jasons argument is the equivalent is "i cant be racist, i have black friends"
For those who don’t know why tarik started the conversation by asking JasonR why he’s an L friend, it’s because tarik and Zellsis were queued in a ranked game. tarik was tilted because he was losing a few of his games and accused jasonr of queue sniping. Then JasonR said tarik is an L friend and they had an argument during the beginning of the game, and jasonr said to talk about it after the game, hence this whole conversation. Hope this makes sense!
Thanks for this
Thanks for the context!
the whispers that tarik got during this whole thing from people in the community (pros, content creators...)really just proves his point
I didn't watch the whole thing but I saw a few lol
Ive never seen tarik angry. And im watching him since 2016
buddy has a good reason to be angry.
i mean i've seen him rage at teammates on val
@@pandiiz7666 bro its for content
poor guy, it really was a sad type of anger, like when a friend just straight up dissapoints you
@@BeEnNLGaming true
Jason is clearly trying to attack tariks character by calling him a bad friend. sounds like he feels trapped in a corner and is panic deflecting blame to tarik for not "helping".
Jasonr cant understand that what he wants from Tarik is the same thing as to defend him and its so frustrating to watch. Its not tarik’s responsibility to defend him or be a character witness. You reap what you sow
yessssss
100 percent
Not really tho! Just sayin that jason and his wife aint like that in person dont have to mean that he supports jasons actions
If jason truly believes hes innocent, he doesnt need close friends to back him up. Bringing your close friends to support your controversial problems is already bad enough, let alone shitting on them for not backing you up.
Say if i was caught using a racial slur. The last thing i would do is drag my friends along with me in the mud. You know when i would drag them to back me up? If i know i actually fcked up and i desperately need them to justify how im innocent.
Jason is the L friend for putting that pressure and responsibility on Tarik
Agreed.
But I do believe they are arguing 2 different points -- which Jason has conflated during the conversation.
Point 1: JasonR is a woman hater
Point 2: JasonR dodges queues with females on his team (which obviously mutually exclusive to point 1) - this is what Jason is trying to argue.
No one would support a friend if they were outed to be a woman hater (just as you mentioned about being racist) -- because no one would agree with this perspective. But it sounds like Jason wants his friends to openly dispute point 1 while justifying point 2.
Then Jason uses the Ninja excuse as to why he doesn't queue with females. The one point of contention that is a bit weird for me is that Tarik uses the position of agreement to decide whether a person is a friend or not.
I have plenty of friends who I have disagreements with. So its weird that Tarik would say -- I disagree with your stance that you won't queue with women to honor your relationship with your wife -- therefore I won't play video games with you.
I think they are both being kind of weird about this situation. Tarik called him out. Jason gave the reason. And it was more circle talking.
@@3xpression296 Right but Jason supposedly won't play with female steamers. By playing with him whilst knowing that, you are in turn supporting him while he is actively doing that.
@@hobbes296 hell no wtf lmao. yall val kids got me crying. so if you listen to an artist that did some shit u support their actions? no
@@hobbes296 That's exactly what the issue is. No one is willing to actually SAY what it is.
If this was your friend, and you knew him. You'd either have to call him a woman hater and thus end your friendship with him, or, say its a personal matter between him and his wife and online females.
Are you saying that if I take the stance that I don't want to play with 12 year olds, that I thus hate kids, and by me hating kids, you wouldnt be able to play games with me cause then youll support my kid-hating opinion? Lol. Its all stupid.
@@Icxelol Okay here is the difference. The problem people have with him is that he isn't playing with women right? That's also the problem Tarik has. You are actively involving yourself in that spcific situation the moment you play with him.
I better analogy is that people have a problem with an artists song/lyrics and you still listen and buy those songs.. Why would you if you've just said you don't support that?
19:48 "You chose to be a girl about it." Great choice of words there, Jason! Honestly, I don't know what made me so bored to listen to 50 minutes of this "argument". I think 90% of the time was spent just trying to figure out what they were even arguing about. To sum up what was never concisely or fully said, JasonR thinks Tarik is an L friend because he remained neutral and never defended Jason's character as not being a misogynist despite him and his girlfriend having met and interacted with Jason and his wife, while Tarik says he did not defend Jason because he doesn't agree with him dodging women and (while only once briefly stated and hinted at by him throughout) thinks there is evidence of Jason being a misogynist due to his actions and doesn't believe his brief meeting(s) with him IRL give him the knowledge to say with certainty that he doesn't hate women. I think the funniest thing about this whole exchange is that the meaning of an L friend itself was never actually debated. If we're being real here, an L friend is someone not someone who supports their friends doing something they disagree with and lies to others about it, but someone who let's their friends know they don't agree with how they are acting/thinking and helps them to improve themselves. But Jason was adamant in the latter half that he has no interest in any advice whatsoever from Tarik, so there's that. Hope this saved you 50 minutes.
Tarik: why am I an L friend?
Jason: you're not trying to help my character image.
Tarik: *gives advice to help his character image*
Jason: why are you helping me.
"Stop acting like a fucking girl. Im not a sexist." - Jasonr
LMFOADJDKSKS
Yup it’s min 19:50
@@kodachifps the sentence did not help his situation at all. The more he talks, the deeper the whole he dug himself into
@@kodachifps it’s, by definition, sexist. he’s stereotyping women and using it as an insult?
@@kodachifps This is an informal fallacy. We’re talking about JasonR exhibiting misogynistic behavior and you’re grasping at straws on a matter that isn’t even pertinent to this discussion.
the patience of this man is insane
Friends hold other friends accountable for thier actions and don't let them get away with uncondonable actions. Tarik good friend, JasonR L friend
Yup, and the fact that this whole situation could've been avoided if JR from the beginning admitted that he dodges women because of personal relationship reasons.
JR still doesnt get that the general public are mad at him because he BLATANTLY lied, because deep down we all know he dodges women because his personal relationship reasons.
So what Jason is doing to Tarik?
A friend is supposed to communicate and ask if the reasons are true before announcing a side. A friend is supposed to talk first and gather information before assuming shit.
Tarik L friend.
@@Un1234l You might be one of the densest people in the entire world
@@Un1234l assuming shit? are you blind or just ignorant? the amount of evidence and you're saying shit like this? what a joke lmao.
100% and all people who defend Jason and call Tarık “L friend” are all showing their true colours and how garbage they are with interpersonal relationships.
i feel like a 15 year old would be better at argumenting and understanding advices than jasonR himself
this guy needs debate classes. you cant make a point that you dont want support, but then go on to say you want your friend to back your character.
it's cuz he never matured past 15.
Imagine if Jason just reacted to this drama initially like "yeah you know what, I saw the clips. I dodged some games and I admit what I did was kinda messed up. Sorry about that. I won't do it anymore." This whole drama would've lasted maybe 2 days instead of potentially damaging his career/reputation permanently. Makes no sense to die on this hill.
The most toxic part of this conversation is that Jason expects friendship to equal unconditional support. Just because Tarik is his friend doesn’t mean that he will defend him when he’s wrong or doing something wrong
its not wrong tho, its a personal matter, which means that no one can tell him he is wrong for respecting his girlfriend
3 mins and 21 seconds in and it's clear that Jason wants, consciously or unconsciously, manipulate Tarik into supporting him on the basis of "knowing him as a friend" while totally disregarding the facts at hand. Jason didn't try to explain why he doesn't want to play with women. Maybe because he doesn't have to. Just like Tarik doesn't have to support a position of someone, friend or not, if he doesn't understand or agree with that position. Tarik is totally right.
@Something Nice shut the fuck up you copy and paste this under every comment
@Something Nice so that’s sexist then.. ty for proving our point.
@Something Nice you do know there are women that play at high levels of games and do really well against their male counterparts. Geguri, UYU YUYU, Barcode, just to name a few off the dome. These women play against and have beaten males many times before. Stop spreading this BS when there are plenty of women that are more than capable at playing at a high level. shit is mad cringe.
@Something Nice whats the name of the women, link me it.
@Something Nice I literally gave you examples of high level women that you chose to ignore by the way AND you failed to realize that only an incredibly small percentage of men actually play at a high level and the reason you don't see a lot of women at that high level is because of sheer numbers. Theres a lot more men in fps than women. It's not complicated to think about. When more women start playing and practicing then you'll start to see more at a higher level. Nothing to do with women not being capable.
damn tarik jus gained alot of my respect, didn’t know he was like that
i love how JasonR contradicts himself in every way
I know this comment was a while ago but you are so right
"tarik you are my friend, if I go out and kill somebody, you should defend me because you are my fucking friend." JasonR Logic
I started watching Jason 6 months ago and even when the drama started I still watched him because I didn’t feel there was a strong proof but after him “trying” to clear up his name he just gets worst and worst literally he is digging his own grave. It’s truly sad and his chat is full of misogyny which makes it 100x worst. Now I rather watch Anyone else
He literally could've just stayed quiet and people would've stopped caring about him but he keeps bringing it back up. All he's gonna get out of this is more death threats and less friends
Did you not see the clear vod of him dodging a girl?
@@Ali-kg8jh dodging girls is not the same as misogyny. People are so dumb ... Mahn I'm so tired explaining
@@Ali-kg8jh no point bringing that up when OP already knows now
L viewer
honestly, jason's point is as similar as to saying he's not racist because he has a POC friend
I mean if you have a black friend then you're not racist... You do know what a racist is right?
@@darthrevan2957 I hope you’re joking
@@LandoReal__ so you're telling me someone that accepts a black man as a friend can be racist towards blacks?
@@LandoReal__ I'm 100% convinced you don't know what a racist is
@@darthrevan2957 i’m saying jason’s point is similar to what i wrote, as in her can’t be “sexist” if he has a wife
If i was Tarik, I would legit lose my mind. Jason just goes around in circles. He is consciously choosing NOT TO UNDERSTAND Tarik.
Its because he is guilty and he knows it, he is using this as a way to try and push the blame off to someone else with a bigger audience so they can squash it for him. But Tarik has a functioning brain and wont let him drag him under the bus. Jason is being a terrible "friend". Tarik should honestly drop this idiot and move on with his life.
Frustrating to hear JasonR's side and see his fall.
He literally just wants Tarik to magically save him and make his actions go away.
You are just stupid bruh, Tarik is the one who is avoiding the question and making it go in circle. Tarik is an L friend.
@@woozy2171 bruh, ur dumb as bricks. When jason said that he didn't want tarik to defend his honor while asking him to be a witness to his character is the same thing. Jasonr is the L friend and you have an L brain.
@@woozy2171 you keep defending someone who has openly said that he is dodging girls, and if that's not being a misogynist idk what is
in Jason's logic, if the man robs a bank, he expects to be let out scot-free because tarik has "witnessed him being a good person".
his argument of basically "it's about my character I hang out with you and your girl and I'm not sexist" has the same energy as "I have a black friend so I can't be racist."
Watching zellsis' reaction to this was so funny. Just sitting there laughing at tarik and jason, just so done with the situation
“i’ve played valorant with women” same energy as “i have black friends”
playing valo with women is proof of i dont ahte them?
Jasonr: “im not Misogynist or sexist”
Jasonr: instead of defending me you choose to be a fucking girl about it…
Tarik:Talks huge about his point
JasonR: idk man stutters
Jasonr makes zero sense. How could you possibly ask Tarik to talk about Jason’s character when there’s literally video evidence that would contradict Tarik and make it look like he supports the behavior or that he at least thinks it’s not that big of a deal. I just don’t get how you could possibly sit there and say you don’t want Tarik to defend him when he’s bringing up other people backing him up and he’s literally asking Tarik to take up for him based on his personal experience with Jason about his character.
Dude literally wants to get rid of all the death threats but instead of giving evidence and telling the real reason why he dodges, he attacks his own friend????
JasonR is going in circles because he can’t accept that Tarik is right.
19:53 "YOU chose to be a fucking girl about it" - probably shouldn't be sexist while you're yelling at your friend for not defending you being a sexist. Having a wife doesn't mean you're not sexist.
btw jasonR used the "racism" analogy first and when tarik uses the same analogy he was against it. lol
Goddamn they ain’t even discuss the fact that their is literally screenshotted logs of his wife hating on other women and former mods who came out and said that Jason had them ban people who’s names are feminine or the fact that he banned a female mod when he found out she was female. Shit crazy. Jason need to stop the cap bro just doin more damage to himself at this point, there was literally nothing to gain from this conversation with Tarik and everything to lose.
If you notice he never denies doing any of those things. He just responds with "I have played with Women before." Like that takes away the other bad shit he did.
@@PuzzleBox83 He even specifies that he played with women in unranked. Dude is telling on himself basically, he dodges ranked games with women because in his mind they will drag his team down.
Hey Guy, reread my comment and tell me if I said he was sexist for not wanting a female on his team? I literally listed the reasons as to why he is seen as sexist and a misogynist. Stop trying to defend this shit, its pretty sickening to see people like you ngl
@@PuzzleBox83 Exactllyyy, I personally could care less about the dodging, though it is wrong, it doesn't bother me AS much. Its how he has treated females over the years that bothers me. It bothers me that none of his friends acknowledge his history with how he has treated females either and only keep talking about him dodging like thats the only wrong thing he has done. Tarik is the only one so far that has sort of acknowledged it.
Tarik was a walking W in this whole situation. JasonR was out of line in so many things and giving so many backhanded comments to tarik, and tarik still sits there, being the fucking legend he is. Big ups big bro! Fuck yeah
JasonR talks like Talking Ben after Tarik gives goodpoint:
"No"
The way tarik spams the tabs after the argument reveals how stressful that was for him
Jason: "Just make a statement of this "fact" you know about me that I'm not what people are saying I am, ok bud?"
Also Jason: "Tarik... It's not about... I don't want you to defend me...just be a good friend??"
Holy gaslighting.
@Something Nice He already said he avoids women out of respect for his wife, so this is a waste of time saying any of this
I agree lmfao. Like, he’s such an asshole. A literal manchild who is unable to face his wrongdoings and dies on a dumbass hill.
@Something Nice how are you even trying to defend someone who contradicts themselves. I don't even care anymore what happened happened, but the attack on tarik was really dumb.
@Something Nice I mean the history of how his girlfriend acted around women in his chat kind of goes against that theory. I was literally a fan of him during this time and was there live. 2017 I think? But listen I don't wanna argue with ya. He can do what he wants tbh
from this argument what i got was jasonr knows well that he's wrong but continues to argue anyways hoping tarik to somehow admit that jason is right
Bruh this is so frustrating to watch. Literally watching jason struggle to understand what tarik is saying. Tarik is trying so hard to keep himself from getting mad
lmao "i'm not a misogynist" + "you chose to be a girl about it" 💀
39:03 'there's not much to say' 14 minutes left of the video. OH BOY, HERE WE GO!!
This could simply end if he provided evidence. So simple yet jason does not do it
What kind of evidence do you even wants from him? Im just curious
@@lionlewfuul he want an evidence of a vagina that humps the wall instead of going through Jason’s mouth.
@@lionlewfuul Jason keeps saying hes innocent because he has vods and history of him playing games with women. If he truly believes hes innocent, he would simply provide those vods. But instead, he keeps saying "i dont have time to look it up". And on top of that, desperately wants tarik to back him up
There’s no evidence you could have of not being sexist what is he gonna do jus post a pic of him with some women HOWEVER lol there is so much evidence to say that he is sexist
@@franqueee What is odd is whenever Tarik talks about the "Weird shit" Jason has done Jason never responds with "I never did any of that weird shit" he deflects and says "I have played games with Women before."
JasonR: I’m not misogynist
Also JasonR to Tarik: you’re acting like a *girl* about it, not saying shit to me
Ah the irony
he just wants someone to vouch for him cuz he cant himself n cant provide ANY proof...yeah he said he plays with girls in unrated/etc, but all the solid evidence is in comp...its kind of disgusting how hes persistent in pushing tarik to jus go out into his stream to vouch for him. if he didnt do any of these things he'd jus simply come out wit a tweet lmao
He is an L friend tbh
I don't get why he is in such a huff over Tarik. Sure if the dude was actively talking shit about you, sure. But the dude seems like he is just trying to stay out of it. He doesn't agree with Jasons whole thing and doesn't want to support it.
feel super bad for tarik , he doesn't need to fix another mans problems for him. shame a friendship is ending because Jason wont get his shit together
Exactly. But I’d call it dodging a bullet tbh. If a “friend” is acting like that, trying to drag me down because they messed _their_ shit up; that “friendship” is ending. This Jason guy is clearly in the wrong and wants Tarık to defend his sorry ass. Tarık would do good staying away from this guy.
I’ve watched the first 20 mins of this argument and it feels like i’ve been watching it on replay.
Jason wants Tarik to say he's not a misogynist but if Tarik says that, he's defending dodging women, which isn't something he agrees with. I don't think Jason has the mental capacity to understand this.
Not really true
Tarik could say i disagree with what he does and i find it weird BUT i don't think he's a misogynist
tarik could have stuck up for jason tho.....
the reason tarik didnt is bc VIEWERS AND MONEY
tarik even says 100% if it wasnt for viewers and money he would have jasons back LMAOOO listen u fucking dumb idiot +L
@@alexzeghondy2078 Maybe the point is, he does think it kinda is misogynistic or could be. Hence the weird comment.
honestly he digging his own grave, all he had to do was just apologize, explain why he does what he did, take a break from online for a while let everything blow over people would forget about it after like a week, but he made it way worse, I understand why he does it, while I think it's not a good reason to do it, we have to understand his point of view, it's his life it's either you accept it and keep watching his streams and supportong him, or you don't simple
Why apologise to twitter cunts? Most of them aren't even human.
@@user-vp6cq4sv3d i mean he wouldnt be apologizing to twitter, it would be to women lol. if it was trolling, i wouldnt have a problem with it, but it would be hella weird. but my guy is tryna die on this hill.
also as im watching this, this man hella contradictory.
"i know youre not talking shit" he says after saying "youre taking shit about me " 15 mins before
@@sad3624 I've noticed his screw ups too. But not buckling under the weight of a bunch of people gives me a personal bias where I feel inclined to respect the courage. Also I just think him deliberately muting women means absolutely nothing because it doesn't harm anyone. It's discriminatory but as I say no harm no foul.
Im only 23 minutes into this discussion, but from what I’ve gathered so far Jason is asking too much of Tarik. The only thing Tarik needs to say to be a good friend in my opinion is “Jason doesnt deserve to receive death threats for his actions” and I’m pretty sure he has said that in the past.
Jason’s point of view for those that dont understand is he wants Tarik to put his foot down and NOT be neutral. Jason wants Tarik to say “I’ve met Jason and his wife in real life! They’re just regular people and dont deserve all the hate they’re getting, he’s my friend”
They just have 2 different definitions of the word friend. Tarik is being true to himself and is clearly in the right here but Jason also isnt ‘wrong’ for his pov on friendship it’s just different and they dont understand why the other doesnt see their point of view.
I think if Jason was in Tarik’s position he would stand up for him. And I also believe that if Tarik was in Jason’s position he wouldn’t want people to defend hm just because of friendship.
(Also by definition sexism includes discrimination, so technically Jason is sexist for not playing with women even though I dont think he hates women at all)
Well said
best comment I’ve seen
JasonR expects blind loyalty. Tarik expects each person to be think for themselves and stand true to their values.
We all know who's right here.
Whole clip is jasonr asking Tarik questions and when Tarik replies Jasonr saying it's not about that. Like whu aren't you defending me and when Tarik tells him the reason he is like but it's not about defending. Thats all it is all 53 minutes
"I don't want you to defend me tarik, I want you to stand up for me"
yeah ok
JasonR is trying to win the argument, Tarik is trying to understand JasonR
Other way around to me
@@Dmahmoud17then you’re as looney as jasonr
Did anyone else catch the I play unrated with girls, like does that just mean he dodges comp ques because he thinks girls are bad at games?
no pretty sure hes in a toxic relationship where his wife doesnt want him playing with girls
@@binkthepidgeon7 well that’s true he said that he could play unrated with them and not comp, so it’s maybe not just his toxic relationship but he also thinks girls are inherently bad at games. Otherwise he would have said I’ve played comp games with girls before not specify unrated games
No idea. He did mention and admit in this argument that he dodges games with girls because he respects his relationship with his wife enough because I guess people freak out that he's playing with girls..? It genuinely doesn't make any sense.
@@dambrew4419 i dont think so. i think hes just super inconsistent with his argument, theres clearly something that he needs to fix within his relationship.
@@jacob-zz6my The thing is tho, he wouldn't specify unrated if he didn't believe that girls are bad at games and that he can't play with them in comp
JasonR: Im not a SEXIST
19:47 Then proceeds to call Tarik a girl for not defending him lmao
If JasonR thinks he was right, he would have given concrete evidence himself and his friends would automatically backed him up without being asked.
@Something Nice So he admitted he was sexist? got it thank u.
Proving oneself innocent is a lot harder than proving another guilty. That's why the presumption of innocence is a thing.
"It's not about defending me" but I need you to defend me and be a witness of character, you are my friend you should defend me but again its not about defending me
There is some things I have caught up that makes this conversation never stop going in circles.
1. Jasons perspective: Wants Tarik to be a friend, and by that stating the fact that Jason is a really good person from their fellow experience and moments togheter.
2. Tariks perspective: Wants Jason to explain why he is dodging girls because he think it is weird and says he is not trashing him in any sort of way but can’t defend that matter cause he doesn’t support it.
Jason is only saying to Tarik that he should defend him. He is then looking at his situation as an kind of personal situation that tarik should not have spoken about at all OR just said good things based on their irl friendship.(which Tarik could have done, but apologised for not taking that into account) What Jason is doing there is he wants Tarik to just support him and then he doesn’t respect that Tarik has a voice and values that he wants comment about. So we get one apology from Tarik but he is still a bad friend according to Jason. Then we might have to look at what is a good friend really like? Should a friend be supportive with not stating his opinion and say good thing about Jason. Or can Tarik say that he wants to help him by saying that this “dodging matter” is affecting him and he should figure it out with his wife. That could be a bit sensitive for Jason to hear an clear, constructive advice coming at him but that is something he should take in my opinion. If Tarik said supporting things only and not spoke about his values and opinion regarding Jason’s weird behaviour then I think he would be a more neutral and quite friend that just joins the pack of sheep friends that only talks about Jason’s character but not the specific weird behaviour.
Sorry for long comment.
Tarik is not responsible for other people’s interpretations of what someone else did. He’s trying to hold a friend accountable, not attack them. That’s not being an “L friend.” That’s just called being a friend. A friend that stands up for them in the worst times, but also hold them accountable for their actions. The reason why Tarik probably didn’t bring it up is because he didn’t want to make it seem that he was making excuses for JASONR. JASONR keeps digging himself a hole and Tarik is throwing him the rope, but instead of just taking the rope, he burns that shit and keeps digging.
A friend is supposed to ask the other friend and investigate first, gather evidence, before assuming shit out loud to the public, and immediately saying "I don't condone it" before even asking the other friend if there's more to the story.
L friend.
An innocent person would not say "you know what, that's fair" after 2:20 to 3:05. If I didn't do it I would refute the evidence, not say "that's fair." He definitely dodged girls, for whatever reason he had.
i thought there was gonna be more content in this 50 minute argument but it was literally a back and forth of the first 6 minutes, residentsleeper
Tarik and JasonR arguing:
Zellsis: HEYYYY GUYS. . . .
CONCLUSION:
Tarik: Likes to paint
Jason: Likes the alphabet “XYZ”
fr tho tarik is 100% right and what Jason is saying is completely absurd
Jason calls tarik an L friend just because he doesn't support his misogynistic behaviour 💀 wtf Jason??
Tarik could have made his point in Turkish and it still would have made more sense to me than Jason’s entire argument
If Jason wasn’t guilty, people would’ve been witnesses to his character; the fact that people aren’t means that he is a character of misogyny and sexism; point blank.
The analogy does work in this situation. If Jason replaced the words "being racist" to "being sexist/misogynistic" then it relates exactly to his situation but he just doesn't process it because he is stuck in that mentality of avoiding women in his games
All I hear Jason say is “you’ve met both me and wife ” over and over again
Right? As if meeting them cancels out their shitty behaviour lol
If he feel like a random girl in a random lobby can affect him and his relationship with his wife then that's a very shaky relationship. If anything that's on him if he thinks this random girl can affect their relationship. Or his wife is that controlling of who he hangout with which still paints their relationship in a bad way. Jason isn't on a find a partner site he's playing valorant. Ranked valorant where the object isnt to find partners.
If he's just making it up because he thinks girls aren't good to play with him then he's gotta realize that the girls he's playing with our immortal and above. If anything the game literally has a mute system If it's that big of a deal just mute the girl unless his wife thinks just playing a game with a girl even when the girl is not interacting with her is cheating. I don't think he's dumb but having this argument isn't really painting him in a good light.
@Something Nice if this is your only argument and “proof” then lmfao.
I have no idea how Tarik has this much patience. I would have bounced after the first five minutes of this, lol.
If jason is truly innocent he isnt making the situation better for him especially with so much evidence against him
This video is THE UPLOAD of this argument.
This whole time I’m just just staring at jason’s player title “lone wolf” lmao
i feel so bad for tarik. he doesn’t want to get put in a situation where he puts HIS reputation at risk just to defend his friend who is CLEARLY in the wrong. he obviously doesn’t want any jasonr to get these death threats but he also doesn’t want to associate himself with someone who is known for being sexist. tarik is a walking W and made his points VERY clear. jason needs to learn from his mistakes and just own up to what he did.
Holy fucking shit. If I was in Tarik's shoes right here after giving Jason advice on how to make things better for the future, and he responds to me in that condescending manner I'm kicking him out the fucking lobby and unfriending him instantly.
The lone wolf tag is really funny in this situation😂
Used to be part of a friend group that had a toxic dude like JR on there; easiest way is to cut all contact.
Yeah Earth Angels and Lightworkers should not interact unless it is to coexist
lol why youtube bringing me back to this masterpiece after a year again XD
Whenever Tarik brings up a relevant topic/the fact of the matter:
JasonR: *we’re getting off topic*
Jason really shutdown whenever tarik started making good points then proceeds to bring some more bullshit out of nowhere
Jason's argument is so cringe I actually can't.
He's basically saying - "I'm not asking you to defend me, I'm just asking you to defend me."