JasonR: "I have other friends that back me up about not be a misogynist, BUT YOU CHOSE TO BE A GIRL ABOUT IT" Probably should have chosen a different phrase, if he doesn't want to be labeled as misogynistic.
Bruh he’s done this so many times too lol other VODs he’s calling females bitches and shit directly during a convo about the matter. I’m like bruh u gotta be smarter
Tarik is a giant W for standing his ground and his beliefs regardless of the fact JasonL is or was his friend. Witness of character means nothing if the allegations still stands, too much evidence of the contrary. Jason wants Tarik to ignore the experiences of these women had with Jason because Tarik is his friend but that doesnt delete their experiences with Jason. Maybe he should admit his wrongs and just do better
for real at the end of the day, tarik is a funny ass streamer but what makes him so good is that we all know and he shows that he is a genuinely smart and good guy
"Character whitness" means nothing if what you do is clearly contradicting what you do IRL. That makes me think what you do "nice things" IRL is jsut a cover up
Telling my best friends that they’re doing something wrong, personally, is supporting them. Letting them self destruct or agree with something that’s wrong is being an “L friend” I aint gonna support stupid sexist shit from anyone. I’m supporting you for telling you it’s wrong
35:52 is really all that needs to be said. Jason Q&A: 1. Are you dodging women? No. My game and pc crashes all the time. 2. Are you dodging women? Yes. Out of respect for my relationship. 3. Are you dodging women? No, I've played with women before on unrated and customs. 4. Are you sexist or misogynistic? No. But you chose to be a girl about it. 5. How am I an L friend? You are not defending my character. 6. How am I an L friend? I don't want you to defend me but you should've said I met Jason and he's not sexist or misogynistic. 7. How am I an L friend? You met me and my wife. We are not sexist in our in-person interactions so obviously we can't be sexist/miso ever. 8. How am I an L friend? You're neutral and that's fine. But you can't be neutral because you aren't defending me but I don't want you to defend me.
JasonR is basically out of excuses man.... he's literally trying to clean his name off the plates. Even when he said I'm respecting my wife etc....it basically means that its not his fault and that his wife is the one who lets him do it. So yea.... he's a big crybaby who thinks putting fuck in every sentence makes him cool.
Also, what is this stupid idea of some men that they cannot play a goddamn match with a woman in their team to be "faithful to his wife"?? Dude, it is a fucking Valorant match, not a hook-up. This only shows that a few men like Jason only see women in a sexual context, because otherwise there would be absolutely no problem with it.
JasonL's logic makes zero sense. Just because Tariks met him and his wife in real life and Tarik can say based on his limited IRL interactions that JasonL wasn't sexist at the time when they interacted, does that definitively make JasonL not sexist? No, of course not, especially when there's so much evidence that's surfaced to point to the contrary. And to add more to that, Tarik isn't even calling him a sexist, just that he's weird for dodging girls. JasonL is truly the L friend here. Tariks a W.
It's lowkey sad. There's so many holes in JasonR's logic and he just doesn't seem to be able to understand how flawed his own arguments are. Every time Tarik tries to understand and phrase JasonR's logic in a simple way, the latter denies it even when its completely accurate. The irony that he calls Tarik the robot when he's the one being close-minded.
The analogy was perfect to be honest, idk why jasonr is not getting it. It doesnt fucking matter what character of him tarik witnessed when he met him and his wife, to the character that he showed on the clips they were mentioning. He couldve been not a sexist in the past and still a sexist based on the clips. IdK man this whole argument is dumb af
Jason is just talking to talk at this point. He is trying to defend himself by saying the same things and hoping that something sticks with people who agree with him, and hoping that more people agree with him than people who realize what he is doing is clearly wrong.
everyone knows and understand what jasonr does is wrong.. Listen to what he says in this video... His point is there are people that dont know him that are saying he is this, that or some other derogatory character defaming thing. What he wanted was someone that knew him IRL to say "look i dont agree with his ingame behaviour of dodging females but i have met him with his wife and other females and i dont get the sense that he is those things you are saying he is". Its really that simple. What i dont udnerstand are u guys that are sitting here going "yep its only tarik here making a point" and completely ignoring jasons side of the argument which he made obviously clear. He isnt asking people to ignore his dodging females accusations. Hes asking a friend with a huge platform to protect his character.
@@Leeacademy2024 and Im gonna tell you to watch the video. Tarik believes that what jasonr is wrong and his stream personality is different from his irl life. How is someone supposed to defend a friend that one is clearly in the wrong, two he doesnt support the friends actions, three is playing victim and making himself look more guilty, four kinda being a asshole to tarik, five looping the convo in circles because he has bad point and cant back it, six starting drama and yelling about something he hasnt asked about. Seven he could have just asked tarik off stream “ hey man I am in a bad place rn, Could you tell your chat about me irl, then respected tariks decision yes or no because thats what friends do! They ask! Not bitch and expect something.
@@Leeacademy2024 realistically jasonr side doesnt fucking matter, he is bitching and blaming his tarik and at the same time demanding for him to take jasonr’s side. So its up to tarik to pick a side or stay neutral, so jasons side on tariks opinion of jasons streaming personality is unneeded and jasonr by making a big deal out of nothing might have just turned a neutral bystander to a full non supporter and most importantly severed a friendship
@@Leeacademy2024 it doesn't matter if jasonr was fine in real life. what he does online is still his responsibility. tarik saw clips of jasonrs sexist behavior it doesn't matter what jasonr did back then because of what he did now. if your best friend suddenly called you up and said "i just killed somebody the cops are going to talk to you tell them im a good person" no matter how this person was to you, you cannot in good conscience defend them. jasonr wants tarik to say that he's a good person but it's OBVIOUS tarik doesn't actually think jasonr is a good person because of how he has been behaving recently and tarik isn't going to lie to himself and his viewers about what he thinks
@@junocchi7 Lol if my friend told me to tell people he's a good person after killing someone, I'd obviously not, that's super sus. However, if I find out own my own that my friend killed someone without a shadow of a doubt, I'd definitely still defend him by saying "that's crazy, I'd never expect that since normally he's such a good guy."
20:20 "You chose to be a fucking girl about it" How can you say that's not sexist? There is irrefutable evidence of him dodging when girls are on and Tarik is completely right in not defending him. If tarik doesn't agree with Jason's standpoint, then why would he defend him. This whole argument is stupid because we have evidence of Jason's actions.
"I play with girls in unrated" is the equivalent of "I have black friends" of sexism, Jason should just admit he's not comfortable playing with girls because his wife is insecure Lol
@@henrygreen2096 Different as is the situation was not the same, he didn't get random girls in fortnite lobbies that he then dodged. Ninja also played a lot of Valorant like a year ago, and afaik he never dodged any girls on his team.
@@henrygreen2096 Pretty sure all Ninja said was the he doesn't stream with women out of respect for his wife. Twitch culture of shipping people and such. Very different imo lol
A friend isn't just supposed to defend you when you're getting backlash. They should be the ones to hold you accountable. Otherwise, you aren't going to understand your actions. And by Tarik not associating himself with Jason, he's trying to send a message that Jason's actions aren't okay. He even says he doesn't agree with Jason's actions, yet Jason expects him to defend him? How can one defend another's actions if they don't agree with it in the first place? The worst logic ever. And the fact Jason STILL never really addressed the dodges until NOW, shows his ignorance. Not to even mention his racist words to Wardell. That was something from left field, and he never even APOLOGIZED for it. Jason is really something else.
IKR! And the fact that he tries to paint the narrative that Tarik is "neutral" because he's not actively calling out Jason and he's not defending him either. The fact that Tarik doesn't queue with him and that he's actively said on stream that he doesn't like the behavior is already enough to show that Tarik is not neutral.
I agree. Jason was asking Tarik to be a character witness yet not defend him. A character witness is literally a person who defends one by stating your morals and that you wouldn't do the crime. How is tarik supposed to be that person when he disagrees with Jason's actions? Tarik not taking Jason's side is just showing that Jason is in the wrong and until he changes something, tarik is not gonna associate with them
I can see where JasonR is coming from. Have a open mind and listen to him. Hes saying that tarik has hung out with him in real life. Seen his relationship with his wife and multiple other females so he should say in public with his big audience that jasonr does not hate women which is the backlash he is getting. What Jason is saying is that the issue with him dodging females has no correlation to him hating women. What he wanted out of tarik is just what he said. A character witness from someone who knew him in real life. On the other hand i can also understand tariks point of view. He knows how strong cancel culture is and with his recent blowup he dosent want to jeopardise it with unnecessary drama that he dosent have to be involved in. At the end of the day it should have been jasonr who should have come out and fully explained his behavior isntead of relying others to come "defend" him knowing full well that would put others in the crosshairs aimed at him. Just my take
i agree but i think he worded his point very badly. i think he wanted tarik to just shoot down the misogynist/sexist aspect of what he does rather than the actual action. All in all, his reasoning still sucks and he is wrong to hold tarik accountable for something like this without actually discussing it beforehand.
17:07 JasonR admits its "for his wife" which proves hes 1. been lying about crashes (and hes defended this several times so it shows he trying to hide it) 2. that its a personal problem i know im a fucking loser for commenting so much but idc this is gold when jasonr says theyre not talking about the same thing, its because jasonr doesnt understand that the two things are related - jasonr wants to tarik to defend him for not being sexist - tarik doesnt want to defend his "actions" - but the problem is tarik cant say he isnt sexist because its a personal fucking problem, its not his piece to say. - and that would again, be defending him, idk why jasonr says otherwise
-Jason wants Tarik speak to his character of not being sexist since he knows them personally. -Act of queue dodging lobbies with girls being sexist is highly debatable. -Tarik's piece to say if you are actually a true friend. -So yes if you are a friend you defend them. There is a difference between being wrong and being controversial. This is more so controversial. -You never had real friends and are an L friend and yes you are a loser lmao
@@kingfranniee I agree, Tarik should have said he wasnt sexist, that was his mistake. But i understand why Tarik didn't. He believed it was a personal problem and that he shouldn't talk about it. You can't call people "true friends", you can't expect people to be perfect. there's always miscommunication in friendships, here is one of them. And yeah, I'm a loser eating food being bored. Sorry for that 😀
@@xnafu If you cant speak to persons character, you are not their friend. It is that simple. You will understand when you get older and have had friendships that have come and gone.
i've known and followed tarik ever since his CS days on C9, but damn did my respect for him go up after watching this. i can't believe dude has the patience to pretty much talk to a brick wall for 45 minutes straight. and not only that, he is respectful throughout it all, never going down to the level of personal insults and even emphasizing that he has nothing against jason, he just doesn't want to associate himself with jason when jason acts like he does. huge respect to tarik for standing his ground and not falling for what is basically gaslighting at this point
man i was eating while watching the VOD. The amount of contradictions that JasonR made was crazy. I can't even see how he is gonna prove himself as innocent. I've always been watching Tarik streams. Imo, his stance is right. You can't just jump in to help a "friend" when he fucks up. He is trying to brainwash him into defending him. he's telling tarik what to do. Finish what you started. That's all i gotta say.
That’s cuz he can’t probe himself innocent. What he SHOULD do is take accountability, apologize, and say he will improve in the future (and actually improve).
@@shirali_ali trying to munipulate someone into questioning their judgements. Jasons saying tarik is an L friend cause he cant back him up cause he blew up, he “knows” hes not sexist IRL and the situation has nothing to do with dodging games with girls cause its about tarik not backing up a friend? This completely dismisses jasons sexist actions and disregards tariks personal stance on jasons actions.
jasonR: "It's not about defending" also jason: "You're supposed to be my friend, why didn't you defend me?" I'd also find it amusing the way he specifically replied when asked if he dodged when there's a girl, "I play with my wife, I play unrated with girls" but the clips where he dodged were in ranked lmao
Tarik is basically saying “I can’t defend your actions even though I’ve hung out with you because there is indisputed proof that you have dodged queues because of girls.” JasonR is saying “You are a L friend because you’re not defending me even though you’ve hung out with me. Tarik shows his opinion, he’s tried to stay neutral by avoiding the topic, Jason is pulling shit out of his for publicity by trying to make Tarik a bad person. He even pulled bullshit by saying “Tarik you said shit like “Thank god Jason isnt here because theres a girl” thats absolute bullshit I have major respect for Tarik cause of this ngl
I disagree and would go as far to say it's irresponsible of you to have this take, although I don't totally blame you because they're both so bad at expressing themselves. Tarik is saying "I can’t defend your actions even though I’ve hung out with you because there is undisputed proof that you have dodged queues because of girls.” (you're right here) JasonR is saying "You know I'm not sexist, why wouldn't you go to bat for me?" Tarik responds "Because it is weird behavior and I don't understand why you would do that, perhaps I didn't know you as well as I thought. I can't promote it on stream and am worried that I will be seen as defending your actions." JasonR then says "The reason for my actions was my respect for my wife. I don't like how twitch chat responds when girls are in the game, and I don't like what I've seen from other creators when they play with people of the opposite sex. I don't want myself to be shipped with anyone else, or for people to make comments about me and a woman other than my wife in a romantic context." They then go in circles because both seem more concerned about whether or not Tarik is an "L-friend" which is unintentionally very funny. I'd like to cap this off for anyone that read this far with this: I do not follow either of these people and don't care if JasonR gets drug through the mud over this. I will say that JasonR's reasoning for dodging queues seems a bit strange, and there are a few possibilities I could see where this is a reasonable thing. One being if JasonR proves somehow that he doesn't dodge queues that contain girls off-stream. The other being JasonR believes that even playing with a girl would disturb his wife in some way, which if it was the case, I imagine he'd keep to himself as I'm sure he knows, it makes his wife look like a very weird person. Without either of those being the case, I would imagine I'd side against JasonR, but maybe there's some third option that I didn't think of. Anyways, that's how I read the conversation. It's totally up to you whether or not find JasonR's reason acceptable or whether or not you'd consider him a sexist.
Jason is asking Tarik to defend him when people are saying and accusing him of being XYZ, since Tarik knows him well in person. He is dodging the queue out of respect for his wife, not because he is sexist, misogynist, etc. THIS IS WHAT TARIK DOES NOT DEFEND. Tarik disagrees with him dodging these games. Now... does Tarik disagree with it because he thinks Jason is being sexist (which isn't the reason why Jason is dodging), Would Tarik change his view if he knew Jason was doing it out of respect for his wife? Or does it not matter to Tarik and he disagrees with it in general? They are arguing about 2 different things. Jason is asking Tarik to defend his personality and to take a stand for him, Tarik thinks Jason is telling him to defend his gaming preference, in which Jason is doing it out of respect for his wife and no other reason. Tarik disagrees with it, regardless of his reason. If everyone listens carefully and not jump to conclusions, you'd understand that they're not on the same page, like Jason was saying. Tarik isn't even taking the time to listen, because Tarik's immediate reaction is Fight or Flight and to defend his image before anything without pausing to think. You guys don't f***ing listen.
But for real though, as a woman, I appreciate this conversation being had and Tarik standing his ground... this makes such big strides in this community, as I have to deal with this jason r type behavior in every 3 matches no cap
I'm done with the years upon years of toxicity and sexism in multiplayer games being normalized. This shitty, apathetic view of 'oh it happens, ignore and move on' is never going to change anything. We can, and should, make efforts to improve our communities. Watching stuff like this makes me so happy. :)
I honestly never heard about this BS before I started playing Valorant. I guess that because in LoL there is no voice chat. Now I understand why many players with clearly femenine names avoid talking as much as possible. As a man, it honestly pisses me off, because these idiots are the reason why men who play videogames are seeing as sexist pigs by default (and can you blame people who say that, if it happens so often?).
@@JackDespero and this is why my gamertag is completely different on almost everything i play than my social media usernames cuz its really "feminine" and id instantly be targeted.
I can just imagine Tarik posting this argument on TH-cam, and then in the middle of the video he says “ What’s up dude, just giving a quick reminder if you haven’t click that subscribe button smash that shit right now”
45 minutes of Jason R putting earplugs in his ears and yelling at Tarik for doing and saying nothing wrong. I honestly wanted all the random internet people attacking Jason to be wrong, and figured he was just doing cringe weird shit bit for content or something. This could still be fake for all I know. But wow. Character witnesses don’t work by the way. Never have. Never will. It’s just a stake to die on for blind loyalty.
super interesting to see the ebb and flow of the argument between the two, and how taric is able to better verbalise his point of view by the end of the video. jason sticks to the same conversational topics that he feels comfortable in defending himself with, but by the end of the video taric poked more holes in it than what jasonr can cover up. the lower the blows, the more jason realizes hes struggling to make a proper argument. by the end he seems more dead set on winning the argument in front of taric’s audience vs making actual progress towards finding common ground. mega respect to taric for standing up for himself in this
16:08 “I feel like I’m talking to someone who has legitimately never had a friend in real life” If Jason was Tarik’s friend he wouldnt say that kinda shit to Tarik. when he said that he lost me in the “character witness” bullshit. Jason was getting frustrated because he wants tarik to clear him but it’s not Tarik’s place to jump in front of the drama. It’s his personal thing to deal with. and then Jason tries to get a dig in on tarik with that comment. That’s fuckin gaslighting, implying if Tarik doesn’t back up Jason’s character, it means he never had irl friends “cause that’s what a real friend would do”. Jason called on the biggest streamer in Val to clear his name and help him, but when Tarik didn’t agree with his behavior jason turned around and called him an L friend over it. It’s really immature. Jason has the rationalization skills of a teenager. Actually Brain dead.
Well, what can we expect from someone who only plays Valorant. FPS games in general. They should take this to Healthygamergg the title would be "Am I a sexist / msygonistic whatever"
31:46 Jason’s silence here is damning. It’s an easy fix and the solution is to play with everyone when you queue, girls included. It’s not Tarik’s job to be Jason’s character witness. His own actions indicate his character. and he can’t answer tariks simple question, and jason comes back with “…..we are getting off topic…” ?? Lol no?? This is the question we’ve all been asking this entire time, Tarik just said what we are all thinking. And jason pivoted away by trying to say that’s off topic when it’s the literal topic. What the actual L
Exactly he seems to not understand that Tarik providing proof of Jason’s character is defending him yet keeps saying he doesnt need Tarik to defend him. Like u understand, its not tariks job to defend smt he believes is completely wrong, yet JasonR wants him to defend him just cuz they hungout irl. Hanging out irl doesn’t mean they know each others full characters and secret. It’s like u never know if the nicest person u ever met is secretly a psycho killer.
With a 30 second clip around this moment would be enough to understand the whole situation: Jason is a sexist player who dodges women just because they are women ( thus the definition of sexism, no matter how he tries to spin it), and he tries to guilt trip his friend into defending his BS, but then gets mad when his friend suggest that he stops being sexist so that people stop calling him that. The other 40+ minutes are just Jason trying to guilt trip Tarik over and over and Tarik showing that he has a spine.
exactly what i was thinking. completely proves what everyone is saying - his chain of thought is insanely childish and wrong, and after 20 minutes talking about this he pulls out "you decided to be a fuckin' girl about it"... wrong af
i cant believe i just sat through this but jason blew my mind every time he opened his mouth as to what an L friend he truly is. tarik was way nicer than jason deserved and it really shows from how he sat through basically the same conversation over and over for 45 minutes
Tldr: jason wants tarik to back up his character while also condemning his choices to dodge queues with women. Tarik doesn't want to defend him at all because it can be seen as a form of support/making excuses. Regardless of how many times jason says he doesnt want tarik to defend him, he does. He just wants a character defense instead of an action defense. My take: its not tariks responsibility to say anything about this and saying he is an L friend is just bozo behavior.
Agreed, though I think Tarik's fear is kinda unfounded. Seems relatively easy to say "I don't condone xyz nor deny that xyz happened, but surprised that my friend would do xyz since he's generally a good guy."
@@ghostmourner Great point! I think that if Tarik had publicly said that he doesn't condone what JasonR is saying but vouched for him in the slightest saying that everything that is being thrown or said to him is not all true instead of being completely neutral, then I think JasonR wouldnt have had an issue. I also think that their definition of friends are different from the 2, with JasonR saying that if the same situation had happened to Tarik, he would have backed him up even if he doesn't necessarily condone it kinda like a "ride or die" type of friendship, whereas Tarik cares more about "not wanting to be associated with that behavior" rather than being there for him. Both sides make valid point.
@@skycrazy1027 Tarik is thinking about his career as a whole. It’s not as though he’s saying that JasonL is a bad guy and he is also not obligated to defend him if he feels it would also affect him negatively and drag him into these issues. JasonR seems to expect Tarik and others to defend him even if they hadnt said anything negative about him. He seems to feel that there’s a deep connection where they should both be defending each other. JasonL shouldn’t have made this behavior in the first place and needs to stop saying “It’s not about you defending me” then saying something along the lines of give proof that im a good person. IMO I think JasonR just needs to not have the behavior in the first place and needs to understand that Tarik announcing he’s a witness of good character is a form of defending JasonL lol
@@donovanchong8246 Thats why I said Tarik makes a valid point, he has more to lose in the situation if he did stand with Jason. But I also think that you could still be a friend to someone even if you don’t condone that person’s behavior. I myself have had situation where a friend has done something that I don’t condone and I held them accountable for it whilst still being their friend. I think that tarik saying that he doesnt wanna be associated with him anymore because of those certain behavior is what Jason was upset about, but at the same time you can’t really blame tarik either because his reputation is on the line.
@@donovanchong8246 I also don’t think that he is defending him by just saying that people are going overboard on him with all the death threats hes been getting. Not wanting to be associated with your friend anymore is one thing but staying neutral in a situation where your supposed friend is getting shit on for things that might not be true is a different thing. At the same time tho I dont think theyre that close, so Idk why JasonR expected tarik to be a ride or die friend
Yes I have no life. I figured since I have nothing better to do atm I might as well break this "discussion" down and by "discussion" I mean some manchild crying for 40 minutes. If it seems like I'm biased, I probably am; Jason has had a similar scandal during his CS:GO days, the evidence is plentiful and damning both then and now. Every word, stance, opinion, perspective, etc that came out of JasonR's mouth was actually disgusting. 1. The way he speaks is crude. His tone is condescending. Inserting fuck/fucken/fucking in between fucken every three fucking words is fucking excessive. I don't understand how he expects anyone to take him seriously when he talks like this nor do I see how taking an aggressive stance/approach to the matter is going to get people, much less Tarik who he seems to desperately want on his side on the matter, to understand where he is coming from. 2. Some quotes I gathered because I felt like they were relevant and some because I'm petty. •"I feel like I'm talking to somebody who has legitimately never had a friend in real life, like on god." (16:06) The way he's able to say something like this and think that it's an okay or fair statement to make is mind-boggling? crazy? Especially after saying "you know us in real life." Yeah... some friend you are... ??? •"... you chose to be a fucking, fucking girl about it..." (20:18) ??? if you're being "painted" as a misogynist and sexist... maybe don't say things like that??? •"I, I know you haven't talked shit about me dude..." (24:06) Earlier Jason claimed that there are clips of Tarik talking shit about him yet when Tarik asks for the clips, Jason doubles down by saying Tarik has talked shit but doesn't provide such clips; exhibit A of a pro-gaslighter- say some bullshit, realize during the conversation that your accusation is wrong then casually/sneakily correct yourself. •"Tarik, Tarik, I-wou-euh- hear me out, we get it, we get it Tarik, you keep telling your chat this, you can keep telling everyone... say it again for the whole fucking crowd." (24:53) First, don't lump us in with you Jason... shit is gross... Second, you don't get it. Third, who do you think you are to take this condescending attitude when you clearly lack common sense and spew bullshit takes??? My bad I get it, you're unimaginably, unfathomably ignorant. •"No. Like I aha tss dude wha- it's like this shits, you're- am I like- I feel like I'm talking to a fucking robot like you're not even a fucking like yuh- ju-" (25:49) You can't be making fun of how people talk when you talk like this... at least Tarik is coherent... •"...it's just about being a fucking friend..." (26:11) The way he uses the word friend is naive. Just because you're friends doesn't mean that the world stops spinning; actions and words still have consequences whether you acknowledge them or not. Fundamentally there is a difference between a character witness and "backing someone up" but the words that come out of a character witness' mouth will ultimately defend or defame the relevant individual. •"... i fucking love this shit" (31:08) This might be inaccurate as his mic/words were muddled but this is along the lines of what he said. This was said in response to Tarik assuming that Jason doesn't want this kind of drama/hate or depiction of Jason's character. mmm ok. Another example of Jason not taking the situation seriously at all. •"you apologized" (33:35) One of the most JasonR character-defining moments, absolutely disgusting. This pathetic sack of shit tries to take the stance of "you apologized so you're admitting that you're wrong." The lack of self-awareness, social skills, and empathy required is astronomical. 3. The way he tried to pilot the situation was ridiculously manipulative. He claims it's not about sides but then whines about Tarik taking a "neutral side." He claims it's not about sides but wants Tarik to ignore the drama and be a "character witness" that says something along the lines of "Jason and his wife are great people; they are not misogynistic." But Jason refuses to acknowledge that if Tarik were to take that kind of stance, people would connect the two and assume that Tarik is taking Jason's side a.k.a condoning that behavior. By refusing to acknowledge that simple logic not only does he gaslight Tarik to the point of mental exhaustion and frustration but he uses that stance as a crutch to make the claim "Tarik is scared of ruining his numbers." The only reason he wanted Tarik to be his "character witness" is because of those numbers, not this bullshit facade of "friends." I put "friends" in quotations because according to Jason they're not friends. It's pathetic that Jason would stoop that low to bash Tarik. "Because what you're doing makes it look like you are ag-, you are 100% against me on all fronts." (24:18) Jason's logic states that "if you do not defend me nor talk shit about me, you are against me." how does this reasoning make any sense? How can he go and accuse Tarik of being an "L friend" for being "neutral" while preaching that kind of logic? Another example of Jason gaslighting Tarik starts around 31:25. A little earlier Jason tries to claim that he has many clips of himself playing with women in response to his past actions but then later tries to claim that he said that in regards to "fixing the situation." Starting from around 39:40 Jason tries to accuse Tarik of going wildly off-topic and tries to remind Tarik that the topic is "why you are an L friend." With all of your expectations Jason, did you expect Tarik to be like "yeah, no you're right 100%. I am an L friend, have a good day." Are you stupid? Of course, any person in that situation will want to give their perspective as to why they are not an "L friend" especially if it's a friend that they c a r e about is calling them an "L friend." 4. The way he expects Tarik to defend him is actually laughable. Jason has a history regarding this exact issue yet he still decided to approach it half-assed; he didn't defend himself, made jokes out of the situation, refused to take the matter seriously, called anyone and everyone that said anything about him crazy and stupid- it's so confusing. You would think one would pause for a moment and reflect. Sure if you saw a hundred people jump off the Empire State Building you would think that's crazy but naturally, I may be completely wrong here but this is how I feel, stop and think for a moment as to why. 5. The way he tries to avoid the whole "racist analogy" comparison is hilarious. It's so funny to me because it's a literal flip representation of Jason's situation; there is nothing wrong with the analogy; misogyny and racism are both social issues and are often brought up together. Granted they are two completely different topics but they both encompass the same issue: prejudice. Jason just doesn't feel comfortable about it because he realized at that moment, that his entire argument against his haters and against Tarik is bullshit. Something he didn't realize however is that it also shows the people that he does not take misogyny as seriously he does racism. 6. The way he hates that Tarik is giving him advice as a friend is also hilarious. What? Jason are you too good for it? The conversation didn't go the way you wanted it to? Are you being self-conscious and afraid of how it makes you look taking advice from another man?!?! Why take that moment to start worrying about your image. It's absolutely, positively pathetic. He then doubles back when Tarik says something along the lines of "Oh so you're mad at me for giving advice as a friend" and says "no, no give advice." Make up your mind... Maybe I'm a snowflake or a sensitive wuss or a weirdo with shit takes, maybe I'm all of them or maybe JasonR really is an insensitive, lying, manipulative, misogynistic, sexist, gaslighting, incoherent, sorry excuse of a friend. Who knows. My analysis was extremely rushed so it's messy and I probably, most definitely missed some things but who cares. Thank you for coming to my TedTalk. For those of you who are curious, this took me just over an hour and ten minutes. It would've been much faster had Jason spoken like a reasonable human being. And again, before anyone says anything, even though I can already see the future so I know reiterating this is futile, remember, that I have acknowledged, that I, have, no, life. (treat each comma like a pause, it was for emphasis). Hope yall have a good rest of your day :)
put this in my background while writing an essay and I have to say, both sides didnt explain their perspectives very well, just kept repeating the same stuff over and over but heres what i got out of it for anyone wanting a summary. Beforehand i would like to say that i have never followed jasonr nor tarik, i just know them from the csgo tournaments i used to watch, everything im about to say is what i gathered from this vod and this vod only. Jasonr side: Jasonr is a very emotional person. He doesnt want tarik to defend him dodging women, he doesnt want tarik to take his side on the matter per say, he just wants tarik to make a statement saying "what jasonr did was fucked up, but he isnt a sexist and he doesnt deserve death threats". He is annoyed at tarik and calling him an "L friend" because despite tarik repeatedly saying he knows it is a private matter and hinting that he doesnt believe jasonr is a sexist, he never outright says it. Jasonr probably thinks this is because tarik doesnt wanna get involved in controversy, which to a certain extent is probably true no matter how much he denies it. I know tarik keeps saying that his image isnt important, and to give him the benefit of doubt, it probably wasnt a primary factor, but it definitely did contribute. Jasonr doesnt think what tarik did was wrong, and i agree. Tarik did everything perfectly right, from an influencer's point of view. What jasonr is saying here is that tarik has failed as a friend since he only considered things from a logical perspective. from around 22:40 tarik says "i didnt put that much thought into it", and notice how jasonr says he knows and even sounds sad, because in jasonr's mind, a true friend would have thought that far. So to be fair, from an emotional person's pov, such as jasonr, tarik was indeed a "bad friend" Tarik's side: Tarik is a very logical person, everything he does goes by what is right or wrong. He argues that he couldnt take Jasonr's side due to the fact that what he did was in fact wrong, which he isnt wrong in saying so. No matter how much Jasonr denies it, he dodged women and lied about it, he even admitted that in this video, it is a said fact. Tarik isnt wrong in not wanting to defend jasonr. He also believed that by not making fun of jasonr's situation, he did what he should as a friend. Tarik feels like jasonr calling him a bad friend is unreasonable since he didnt do anything that would negatively impact jasonr, which is true, he didnt. Tarik argues that he didnt even want to make any statement so as to not have any misunderstandings about his position, and he is right to do so since anything he says can be and will be taken out of context by those shitty clip channels for free views. Tarik also has to consider that he is a HUGE influencer and i mean HUGE. Even someone like me who doesnt follow him knows about his popularity, anyone in the gaming industry probably knows him, so anything he says is very influencial. He doesnt want to accidentally lead his fans, alot of whom are probably young, down the wrong path. he wants to make sure he educates his audience properly on the right thing to do, which he did very well. From a logical standpoint, tarik did everything almost perfectly, thus he doesnt believe that he is a "bad friend". now my take on this: if we are talking about the jasonr controversy here, i believe tarik is in the right. He didnt accept jasonr's actions nor did he constantly meme it for views like some other streamers did. Tarik handled it very professional and logically. However, that is exactly the problem here. Tarik handled it too professionally. In the mind of a logic based person like tarik, theres nothing wrong with it. If jasonr was of the same mindset, he would totally be fine with this. However, jasonr seems to be much more emotional than tarik. He feels betrayed exactly because tarik handled this situation from a professional standpoint, not as a friend. What jasonr said wasnt wrong either, a true friend wouldve definitely tried to help abit, even if he didnt take the side. Jasonr expecting tarik, a supposed long time friend, to make a statement saying "jasonr dont deserve this" isnt expecting too much, in fact if i was in jasonrs shoes i would expect that too. The fact that even that much wasnt given probably made jasonr very disappointed. He constantly mentioned how people like trainwreck and subroza defended him, and he probably brought this up because he had known tarik longer than he had known them(this is just my guess), and he is stating that they did that yet his longer known friend couldnt. Jasonr isnt angry at tarik, jasonr isnt saying what tarik did was wrong since he knows deep down that he fucked up. The main point of this discussion is why jasonr called tarik an "L friend", and to that i believe I would lean towards jasonr. I tried to put myself into both pov's and i just feel like i get what jasonr is trying to say. I tried to imagine my close friends saying " i didnt put that much thought into this because it doesnt involve me to that degree" (22:40) and that just made me sad. I think thats just what it came down to though, a difference in perspective. Overall, i think tarik did the right move as an influencer, but he did fail as a friend here. Friends are meant to give advice , thats right. friends are meant to keep each other in check, that is also right. However, what tarik did here wasnt any of those. He in a way cut jasonr off. Honestly, i dont know how the controversy went down, and i cldnt care to research about it, but if we are ONLY looking at the perspective of friendship here, i feel that tarik destroyed their entire friendship with this incident. He handled everything too matter of fact, offering no emotional support for a "friend" who is going through some shit. In the end, i feel like tarik and jasonr's relationship cant be called " true friendship", its more of like long term acquaintances who are comfortable around each other. Neither side are wrong here, if you look at different povs then you would feel differently. Also on a side note, i feel like most people will take tariks side here and there is a very big reason why, its not because tarik is more popular, its because tarik led the conversation here. Jasonr kept trying to say stuff but tarik is evidently controlling the direction of the argument most of the time, which brings people to see his pov more. Jasonr made a remark that he feels like he is talking to a robot when talking to tarik, and that is probably because tarik is just repeatedly bringing him back to the same point and jasonr isnt getting through. Jasonr wants tarik to understand his emotion, but tarik keeps stiring the conversation to logic, bringing up analogys and stuff.
and yes i somehow found it in my heart to write a full essay about this. what can i say, i enjoy overanalysing and writing essays. Also it might be due to the fact that topics surrounding human relations interest me
His main argument is literally, " _You met me and my gf. I have a gf you know I'm not sexist! How can I be sexist if I have a gf!?_ " Despite ignoring the obvious clips of pure sexism. This isn't even his FIRST time in the spotlight for sexist behavior. He had a scandal few years back where him and his GF were banning girls in his stream if they had a girly name.
27:04 "I'm separating those two (his actions and his character)" I would understand this if the actions were mistakes or accidents but, you can't really separate someone's character from their actions especially if its repeatedly lmfao clown shit 🤡 It's like saying "oh yea look my friend has killed so much people but since i've known him so long he's not a murderer or a serial killer" 🤡
From watching the first 13 minutes: I feel like Jason is trying to say he doesn't dodge women in Valorant games because he is sexist, and wants Tarik to reference how Jason interacted normally(?) with Tarik's GF or other women IRL. It's frustrating because Tarik is insistent Jason is asking to support the dodging, but he is really asking Tarik to tell people Jason isn't a sexist and the dodging is unrelated to hating women. Though it's difficult to understand how it isn't sexist, I feel like it would be easier for him if he could explain why he dodges women. It's a shame because I used to support JR but I don't know if I can anymore.
It’s kind of annoying how JasonR says he doesn’t need Tarik to defend his character, but needs him to provide proof that he is a witness of JasonR’s good character which is a form of defending JasonR. When Tarik said he can just not dodge women, JasonR just goes super silent like he won’t do that even if it wouldve just helped is character from the beginning. Tarik needs to think of career here cuz if he gets dragged in it, he could lose viewers/subscribers and lose money overall. Its crazy how JasonR doesnt think that providing proof of good character irl is a form of defense. Like Tarik says, just cuz he knows and hungout with him irl, doesn’t mean they know each others character fully and this support would destroy his career as well. Ik u already know this as well but im just going on a rant bout JasonR going in stupid circles and not understanding Tarik’s situation
Also, people in games can be completely different that people in real life. I have had friends with whom I would never play a match of LoL or Valorant, because as much as they seem normal outside the game, they are so fucking toxic inside it. You can simultaneously not treat your wife as a second class citizen and be a sexist pig in game. Those two things are not mutually exclusive.
@@JackDespero hell yea dude. Ik my cousin and his friends are cool irl but they can get hella toxic and tilted in game. I just wonder why and i get wanted to rank up but its not like we’re getting paid for it like these streamers are. Anyway last part was off topic, but just like u said, u can act one way in one situation but be shitty in another. Its just like how u never know if the friendliest person yk is actually a murderer with 15 charges
I commented this already, but i have the feeling JR cheated or something where he is trying to earn back the trust of his wife. I truly dont think hes sexist, so it must be something else that hes trying to keep from getting out. I think tarik may know as well, bc hes practically begging tarik to understand and help him out.
Honestly it’s up to JasonR to backup his own name, he shouldn’t rely on Tarik to do so because then that would hurt his reputation. I enjoy both of them and they just need to hash it out privately. Hopefully we can get past this because it’s honestly such a stupid situation to argue about.
An L friend is exactly what jasonR wants ie a friend that just f ing backs you up even though he's clearly in the wrong. A W friend tells you when you're wrong and helps you admit and move on together as friends. Thats how a true friend is. Thats what Tarik is. Proud of Tarik. He truly is a W friend.
jason showing off an absolute masterclass in gaslighting, i don’t understand the thought process behind calling out tarik when he’s not involved in the situation at all LOL
jason doesn’t realize that if tarik said that he hung out with jason and his wife, that would make it sound like tarik is trying to defend him. tarik doesn’t say that because he doesn’t agree with what jason is doing and therefore doesn’t want to defend him but somehow jason is either to dumb or stubborn to realize that
Jason: I don't play with woman because i respect my relationship. Also him: I've played with many woman before. Jason: I don't want you to back me up. Also him: I just want you to say i'm not a misogynist. Seriously, this guy is just proving that he is a manipulative, arrogant, liar. Not to mention the many times Jason said Tarik is weird, friendless, robotic and unable to understand things. Jason is just showing more and more why he should be punched in the face and not proving he isn't misogynist, wtf.
jason just want his friends to stand by his sexist behavior against girls in ranked, that makes no sense bruh, behave, don't act like that and you wouldn't be in that predicament.
I think by the end JasonR realizes he’s in the wrong but his pride won’t let him admit he’s wrong in front of everyone. Reminds me of how I used to act when arguing with my parents when I was clearly in the wrong
I feel like if Jason just came out that he dodges women in respect for his relationship and didn't lie about dodging, this situation wouldn't be as deep lmao
@@JrKdM Its a toxic relationship, but how would that make him sexist? He is dumb enough to marry the girl, but he is just doing what is demanded from his wife?
@@felixsiswanto8561 The actions are certainly demonstrably sexist, but yes the motivations aren't as clearcut. Either way, his actions were deplorable and he should've just come clean about it. Instead he tried to bullshit his way out by saying his PC crashed. How can he possibly expect Tarik to defend him when he hasn't even made any effort to defend himself? His literal official response that's still up on his channel is now confirmed to be a boldfaced lie. Man's a clown.
JASONR is not making sense. If my friend was in prison for shoplifting and there is solid cctv evidence, why the fuck would I tell everyone he is not a thief (even if I have never seen him steal anything before).
@@NathanRFMuir I mean respect on him for keeping it calm, not trying to attack him but stay defending his side. It shows a lot more maturity rather than just attacking him when he is still a "friend"
JasonR being an L friend for real... trying to force Tarik to defend him is just weird. Tarik can't defend him when there is literally proof of vods everywhere of him dodging and disconnecting... JasonR personality when meeting Tarik has nothing to do with what JasonR does in his stream cause he kept using that excuse for Tarik to support him. JasonR is the one being an L friend.
TLDW Jason want's Tarik to defend his character, not his actions. Tarik says I don't agree with your actions, so I wont defend your character. I honestly doubt that Jason dodging girls stems from sexism. It almost certainly stems from trust issues in his relationship.
You're right...Tarik is saying "I don't agree with your actions, so i won't defend your character.... So does Tarik know that Jason is doing it out of respect for his wife? And not because of what everyone is accusing him of? Or does Tarik know and still disagrees with it in general? This is what Jason meant when they were talking about 2 different things and weren't on the same page.
Lets just be real here, JasonR probably isn't sexist nor does he likely hate women. He needs to be straight up though that he was unintentionally exhibiting slightly sexist behavior and then excusing it saying it was to respect his wife and their relationship so that there would be no false talk of them supposedly being more than people playing the same game. This happened with ninja years ago and in his position, that argument made more sense since it was involving him reaching out to women and playing with them. In Jason's situation, he almost obviously dodges women because he thinks more often than not, they're not very good. Just admit that you have/had a skewed perception of girls and gaming and that you being the overly competetive player that you are wanted no disadvantage you thought you could control, you say that and then say you understand how that came off as sexist and apologize, oh and apologize for it because whether you want to win or not, and whether most or half or all girls are bad, you probably wouldn't appreciate it if it were you being dodged because "men are not good at this at all" then being memed for it. Grow up brother, you can make a mistake and then try to rectify it, don't lose your career and status over an ego, holy.
I was looking for this thought in words, I totally agree! I watched ludwigs mogul mail video on this situation though, seems like he also bans women from this chat and other stuff, so seems like he truly is actually sexist. I have no idea what his reasoning for all that is then. It seems like he only sees his weird stance as absolute and near the end of the video he even says he doesn't want advice just backup...
I think that what JasonR's trying to say is that, even though Tarik knows that JasonR's real personality is not what he displays on stream(dodging girls on queue) , he(Tarik) does not tell others that what JasonR's real personality is, and i think that what JasonR's trying to say
It doesn’t matter. People can hang out for forever and not show certain sides of their personality. Just because the few times that Tarik has hung out with Jason he wasn’t sexist, it doesn’t mean that he can defend him not being a sexist when there is evidence that Jason is potentially sexist when it comes to women in the game.
His point is stupid. You can know people and be friends with them and never know they're scumbags when you're not around. There's evidence Jason is a sexist, Tarik doesn't agree with it so he doesn't defend it. JasonR is just a straight moron.
but thats not the point. tarik does not want to queue with jason because of the premise that comes in doing so. if he queues with jason then it would seem like he supports jasons actions, which he does not. jason’s personality on stream or irl has no point in this matter. the fact of the matter is that jason has done sexist actions. doesn’t mean that he himself is sexist, but rather what he did were sexist actions and he needs to own up to that and make a formal statement. but now jason is bashing on tarik for not telling the world that jason is not sexist, as if it is tariks obligation as a friend when there is evidence of jason dodging girls on queue. tarik did the best thing imo. he said his stance, didnt diss his friend, and then banned the topic from chat so as to stop or lessen any hate on jason.
@@crim9089 yeah but imagine your Jasonr in this situation, you firmly believe your not a sexist, and thousands of people are memeing you online, you don’t know what else to tell them, anything you say at this point that isn’t what they want to hear will hurt you. So you look around and see fps streamer of the year Tarik, a friend you have gamed with for seven years, who has met both you and your wife in person multiple times, and knows your not the person there trying to make you out to be, but, when you turn and look at him he doesn’t back you up, he slightly memes on you too and stays neutral, I know if that was me it would at the very least feel like a betrayal, so I can get why Jasonr feels this way in this situation, one of the few people with the influence and position who can actually clear his name, and knows that he isn’t like this won’t say anything, that’s got to hurt at least a bit
@@crim9089 however, the evidence is pretty obvious that Jasonr dodges girls in valorant, even in this video he tells Tarik to not be such a girl about it… the evidence is overwhelming I don’t blame Tarik for not saying anything.
There it is. And no one is saying anything about him, even if he was playing with a woman. Like if he was randomly cute with a female, he doesn't need to dodge, and he has the ability not to choose to party with a female. Jason and his wife are genuinely just taking an L in the scenario. It's apparent that they're insecure about their relationship and have horrible core values for each other. And Tarik sums it up; there's no beating around the bush. Jason Dodges Qs with women because he doesn't want his wife or the community to think poorly of his relationships. However, that is not valid because why would you be dodging something against someone's sexual orientation that's sexist. Just be normal, respectful, and play the game no matter what their sexual orientation is.
the fact also that jasonr is talking down to tarik while he is wanting his support is crazy to me. have a friend that does the same thing. hurts mentally
this is better than vct
Facts LMAO
LMFAO
i mean guard carving cloud9 was pretty fun but yeah this takes the cake XD
@@agastyawarrior0 yeah that match was lit
This is why NA Valorant > any other Region
JasonR: "I have other friends that back me up about not be a misogynist, BUT YOU CHOSE TO BE A GIRL ABOUT IT"
Probably should have chosen a different phrase, if he doesn't want to be labeled as misogynistic.
EXACTLY MY THOUGHTS
My man's self reporting himself LMAO
I didn’t even catch that, that’s hilarious
he was gonna say BITCH😂 then paused and said GIRL
Bruh he’s done this so many times too lol other VODs he’s calling females bitches and shit directly during a convo about the matter. I’m like bruh u gotta be smarter
jasonr: i get why you're neutral
jasonr: why the fuck arent you defending me
jasonr: bro i didn't ask you to defend me.
@@sahilsmohanty2663 Jason: you an L friend for not defending me. i dont want you to back me up tho.
"but i dont want or need you to defend me, but you saw me and my girlfriend like how could u not"
Tarik is a giant W for standing his ground and his beliefs regardless of the fact JasonL is or was his friend. Witness of character means nothing if the allegations still stands, too much evidence of the contrary. Jason wants Tarik to ignore the experiences of these women had with Jason because Tarik is his friend but that doesnt delete their experiences with Jason. Maybe he should admit his wrongs and just do better
for real at the end of the day, tarik is a funny ass streamer but what makes him so good is that we all know and he shows that he is a genuinely smart and good guy
JASONL HAHAHA
JasonL HAHAHAHA
@@h91yama56 we heckin love tarik
"Character whitness" means nothing if what you do is clearly contradicting what you do IRL. That makes me think what you do "nice things" IRL is jsut a cover up
My guy denies being a sexist, then says "why are you being a girl about it" LMAO
Like what’s wrong with him lmaoo
Jasonr are can not be helped
all fairness this is a phrase used regularly used in speech.. Even tho its ironic its still not really indicative of anything.
@@Kartekid2233 exactly
@@Kartekid2233 just because its a common phrase (which its really not) doesn't make it not sexist
Telling my best friends that they’re doing something wrong, personally, is supporting them. Letting them self destruct or agree with something that’s wrong is being an “L friend” I aint gonna support stupid sexist shit from anyone. I’m supporting you for telling you it’s wrong
based
facts
what does L mean?
@@llight4231 I don’t even know LOL
@@llight4231 "loser friend"
35:52 is really all that needs to be said.
Jason Q&A:
1. Are you dodging women?
No. My game and pc crashes all the time.
2. Are you dodging women?
Yes. Out of respect for my relationship.
3. Are you dodging women?
No, I've played with women before on unrated and customs.
4. Are you sexist or misogynistic?
No. But you chose to be a girl about it.
5. How am I an L friend?
You are not defending my character.
6. How am I an L friend?
I don't want you to defend me but you should've said I met Jason and he's not sexist or misogynistic.
7. How am I an L friend?
You met me and my wife. We are not sexist in our in-person interactions so obviously we can't be sexist/miso ever.
8. How am I an L friend?
You're neutral and that's fine. But you can't be neutral because you aren't defending me but I don't want you to defend me.
thank you ♥
JasonR is basically out of excuses man.... he's literally trying to clean his name off the plates. Even when he said I'm respecting my wife etc....it basically means that its not his fault and that his wife is the one who lets him do it. So yea.... he's a big crybaby who thinks putting fuck in every sentence makes him cool.
i lost my mind just watching this i feel bad for tarik
Also, what is this stupid idea of some men that they cannot play a goddamn match with a woman in their team to be "faithful to his wife"?? Dude, it is a fucking Valorant match, not a hook-up. This only shows that a few men like Jason only see women in a sexual context, because otherwise there would be absolutely no problem with it.
Well... It seems like he's contradicting himself.
JasonL's logic makes zero sense. Just because Tariks met him and his wife in real life and Tarik can say based on his limited IRL interactions that JasonL wasn't sexist at the time when they interacted, does that definitively make JasonL not sexist? No, of course not, especially when there's so much evidence that's surfaced to point to the contrary. And to add more to that, Tarik isn't even calling him a sexist, just that he's weird for dodging girls. JasonL is truly the L friend here. Tariks a W.
Exactly plus people act different when you meet or when you chat and stuff, people legit do that.
this is LITERALLY "I can't be racist, I have black friends!" cannot understand how people are buying Jason's shit.
It's lowkey sad. There's so many holes in JasonR's logic and he just doesn't seem to be able to understand how flawed his own arguments are. Every time Tarik tries to understand and phrase JasonR's logic in a simple way, the latter denies it even when its completely accurate. The irony that he calls Tarik the robot when he's the one being close-minded.
The analogy was perfect to be honest, idk why jasonr is not getting it. It doesnt fucking matter what character of him tarik witnessed when he met him and his wife, to the character that he showed on the clips they were mentioning. He couldve been not a sexist in the past and still a sexist based on the clips. IdK man this whole argument is dumb af
Jason could’ve just gave the same argument as ninja
Jason is just talking to talk at this point. He is trying to defend himself by saying the same things and hoping that something sticks with people who agree with him, and hoping that more people agree with him than people who realize what he is doing is clearly wrong.
everyone knows and understand what jasonr does is wrong.. Listen to what he says in this video... His point is there are people that dont know him that are saying he is this, that or some other derogatory character defaming thing. What he wanted was someone that knew him IRL to say "look i dont agree with his ingame behaviour of dodging females but i have met him with his wife and other females and i dont get the sense that he is those things you are saying he is". Its really that simple. What i dont udnerstand are u guys that are sitting here going "yep its only tarik here making a point" and completely ignoring jasons side of the argument which he made obviously clear. He isnt asking people to ignore his dodging females accusations. Hes asking a friend with a huge platform to protect his character.
@@Leeacademy2024 and Im gonna tell you to watch the video. Tarik believes that what jasonr is wrong and his stream personality is different from his irl life. How is someone supposed to defend a friend that one is clearly in the wrong, two he doesnt support the friends actions, three is playing victim and making himself look more guilty, four kinda being a asshole to tarik, five looping the convo in circles because he has bad point and cant back it, six starting drama and yelling about something he hasnt asked about. Seven he could have just asked tarik off stream “ hey man I am in a bad place rn, Could you tell your chat about me irl, then respected tariks decision yes or no because thats what friends do! They ask! Not bitch and expect something.
@@Leeacademy2024 realistically jasonr side doesnt fucking matter, he is bitching and blaming his tarik and at the same time demanding for him to take jasonr’s side. So its up to tarik to pick a side or stay neutral, so jasons side on tariks opinion of jasons streaming personality is unneeded and jasonr by making a big deal out of nothing might have just turned a neutral bystander to a full non supporter and most importantly severed a friendship
@@Leeacademy2024 it doesn't matter if jasonr was fine in real life. what he does online is still his responsibility. tarik saw clips of jasonrs sexist behavior it doesn't matter what jasonr did back then because of what he did now.
if your best friend suddenly called you up and said "i just killed somebody the cops are going to talk to you tell them im a good person" no matter how this person was to you, you cannot in good conscience defend them. jasonr wants tarik to say that he's a good person but it's OBVIOUS tarik doesn't actually think jasonr is a good person because of how he has been behaving recently and tarik isn't going to lie to himself and his viewers about what he thinks
@@junocchi7 Lol if my friend told me to tell people he's a good person after killing someone, I'd obviously not, that's super sus. However, if I find out own my own that my friend killed someone without a shadow of a doubt, I'd definitely still defend him by saying "that's crazy, I'd never expect that since normally he's such a good guy."
20:20 "You chose to be a fucking girl about it" How can you say that's not sexist? There is irrefutable evidence of him dodging when girls are on and Tarik is completely right in not defending him. If tarik doesn't agree with Jason's standpoint, then why would he defend him. This whole argument is stupid because we have evidence of Jason's actions.
he was going to say pussy but you can't say that on twitch
“Acting like a girl” or “manning up” is not sexist. You’re reaching
@@martianfn2012 these are sexist...
@@itachiuchiha6940 man people like you gotta stop act like a girl man...
Idk man theres other damning stuff idk why people are getting stuck up over this lil saying.
"I play with girls in unrated" is the equivalent of "I have black friends" of sexism, Jason should just admit he's not comfortable playing with girls because his wife is insecure Lol
He already did. People are so dramatic about it. Ninja didn’t get this much when he did the same thing
@@martianfn2012 Big difference, use your head
@@mobwow6833 so I don’t watch jasonR or ninja… but if Ninja does this too how is it different?
@@henrygreen2096 Different as is the situation was not the same, he didn't get random girls in fortnite lobbies that he then dodged.
Ninja also played a lot of Valorant like a year ago, and afaik he never dodged any girls on his team.
@@henrygreen2096 Pretty sure all Ninja said was the he doesn't stream with women out of respect for his wife. Twitch culture of shipping people and such. Very different imo lol
A friend isn't just supposed to defend you when you're getting backlash. They should be the ones to hold you accountable. Otherwise, you aren't going to understand your actions. And by Tarik not associating himself with Jason, he's trying to send a message that Jason's actions aren't okay. He even says he doesn't agree with Jason's actions, yet Jason expects him to defend him? How can one defend another's actions if they don't agree with it in the first place? The worst logic ever. And the fact Jason STILL never really addressed the dodges until NOW, shows his ignorance. Not to even mention his racist words to Wardell. That was something from left field, and he never even APOLOGIZED for it. Jason is really something else.
IKR! And the fact that he tries to paint the narrative that Tarik is "neutral" because he's not actively calling out Jason and he's not defending him either. The fact that Tarik doesn't queue with him and that he's actively said on stream that he doesn't like the behavior is already enough to show that Tarik is not neutral.
I agree. Jason was asking Tarik to be a character witness yet not defend him. A character witness is literally a person who defends one by stating your morals and that you wouldn't do the crime. How is tarik supposed to be that person when he disagrees with Jason's actions? Tarik not taking Jason's side is just showing that Jason is in the wrong and until he changes something, tarik is not gonna associate with them
i like this, Jason just make everything even worse...
I can see where JasonR is coming from. Have a open mind and listen to him. Hes saying that tarik has hung out with him in real life. Seen his relationship with his wife and multiple other females so he should say in public with his big audience that jasonr does not hate women which is the backlash he is getting. What Jason is saying is that the issue with him dodging females has no correlation to him hating women. What he wanted out of tarik is just what he said. A character witness from someone who knew him in real life. On the other hand i can also understand tariks point of view. He knows how strong cancel culture is and with his recent blowup he dosent want to jeopardise it with unnecessary drama that he dosent have to be involved in. At the end of the day it should have been jasonr who should have come out and fully explained his behavior isntead of relying others to come "defend" him knowing full well that would put others in the crosshairs aimed at him. Just my take
i agree but i think he worded his point very badly. i think he wanted tarik to just shoot down the misogynist/sexist aspect of what he does rather than the actual action. All in all, his reasoning still sucks and he is wrong to hold tarik accountable for something like this without actually discussing it beforehand.
17:07
JasonR admits its "for his wife"
which proves hes
1. been lying about crashes (and hes defended this several times so it shows he trying to hide it)
2. that its a personal problem
i know im a fucking loser for commenting so much but idc this is gold
when jasonr says theyre not talking about the same thing, its because jasonr doesnt understand that the two things are related
- jasonr wants to tarik to defend him for not being sexist
- tarik doesnt want to defend his "actions"
- but the problem is tarik cant say he isnt sexist because its a personal fucking problem, its not his piece to say.
- and that would again, be defending him, idk why jasonr says otherwise
dang
-Jason wants Tarik speak to his character of not being sexist since he knows them personally.
-Act of queue dodging lobbies with girls being sexist is highly debatable.
-Tarik's piece to say if you are actually a true friend.
-So yes if you are a friend you defend them. There is a difference between being wrong and being controversial. This is more so controversial.
-You never had real friends and are an L friend and yes you are a loser lmao
@@kingfranniee I agree, Tarik should have said he wasnt sexist, that was his mistake. But i understand why Tarik didn't. He believed it was a personal problem and that he shouldn't talk about it. You can't call people "true friends", you can't expect people to be perfect. there's always miscommunication in friendships, here is one of them. And yeah, I'm a loser eating food being bored. Sorry for that 😀
@@xnafu If you cant speak to persons character, you are not their friend. It is that simple. You will understand when you get older and have had friendships that have come and gone.
@@kingfranniee get off the burner account JasonL, we know its you
"Be a fucking girl about it" JasonR really not helping himself here lmao
yeah.. it comes out when you're LYING and making up crap to victimize yourself even more.
i've known and followed tarik ever since his CS days on C9, but damn did my respect for him go up after watching this. i can't believe dude has the patience to pretty much talk to a brick wall for 45 minutes straight. and not only that, he is respectful throughout it all, never going down to the level of personal insults and even emphasizing that he has nothing against jason, he just doesn't want to associate himself with jason when jason acts like he does.
huge respect to tarik for standing his ground and not falling for what is basically gaslighting at this point
man i was eating while watching the VOD. The amount of contradictions that JasonR made was crazy. I can't even see how he is gonna prove himself as innocent. I've always been watching Tarik streams. Imo, his stance is right. You can't just jump in to help a "friend" when he fucks up. He is trying to brainwash him into defending him. he's telling tarik what to do. Finish what you started. That's all i gotta say.
That’s cuz he can’t probe himself innocent. What he SHOULD do is take accountability, apologize, and say he will improve in the future (and actually improve).
Imagine being in a relation with jason. Straight up gaslighting as his own defense. That shit is so toxic
@@pandathug6806 what is gaslighting and gatekeeping exactly?
@@shirali_ali trying to munipulate someone into questioning their judgements. Jasons saying tarik is an L friend cause he cant back him up cause he blew up, he “knows” hes not sexist IRL and the situation has nothing to do with dodging games with girls cause its about tarik not backing up a friend? This completely dismisses jasons sexist actions and disregards tariks personal stance on jasons actions.
@@pandathug6806 Fr though
jasonR: "It's not about defending"
also jason: "You're supposed to be my friend, why didn't you defend me?"
I'd also find it amusing the way he specifically replied when asked if he dodged when there's a girl, "I play with my wife, I play unrated with girls" but the clips where he dodged were in ranked lmao
shout out tarik he def became my favorite streamer recently i love this guy
Tarik is basically saying “I can’t defend your actions even though I’ve hung out with you because there is indisputed proof that you have dodged queues because of girls.”
JasonR is saying “You are a L friend because you’re not defending me even though you’ve hung out with me.
Tarik shows his opinion, he’s tried to stay neutral by avoiding the topic, Jason is pulling shit out of his for publicity by trying to make Tarik a bad person. He even pulled bullshit by saying “Tarik you said shit like “Thank god Jason isnt here because theres a girl” thats absolute bullshit I have major respect for Tarik cause of this ngl
And the stupidest part of JasonR’s arguments is he keeps then saying he’s not asking Tarik to defend him like tf?
No Jason’s point was that Tarik didn’t do enough to defend his character, not his actions
I disagree and would go as far to say it's irresponsible of you to have this take, although I don't totally blame you because they're both so bad at expressing themselves.
Tarik is saying "I can’t defend your actions even though I’ve hung out with you because there is undisputed proof that you have dodged queues because of girls.” (you're right here)
JasonR is saying "You know I'm not sexist, why wouldn't you go to bat for me?"
Tarik responds "Because it is weird behavior and I don't understand why you would do that, perhaps I didn't know you as well as I thought. I can't promote it on stream and am worried that I will be seen as defending your actions."
JasonR then says "The reason for my actions was my respect for my wife. I don't like how twitch chat responds when girls are in the game, and I don't like what I've seen from other creators when they play with people of the opposite sex. I don't want myself to be shipped with anyone else, or for people to make comments about me and a woman other than my wife in a romantic context."
They then go in circles because both seem more concerned about whether or not Tarik is an "L-friend" which is unintentionally very funny. I'd like to cap this off for anyone that read this far with this: I do not follow either of these people and don't care if JasonR gets drug through the mud over this. I will say that JasonR's reasoning for dodging queues seems a bit strange, and there are a few possibilities I could see where this is a reasonable thing. One being if JasonR proves somehow that he doesn't dodge queues that contain girls off-stream. The other being JasonR believes that even playing with a girl would disturb his wife in some way, which if it was the case, I imagine he'd keep to himself as I'm sure he knows, it makes his wife look like a very weird person. Without either of those being the case, I would imagine I'd side against JasonR, but maybe there's some third option that I didn't think of. Anyways, that's how I read the conversation. It's totally up to you whether or not find JasonR's reason acceptable or whether or not you'd consider him a sexist.
Jason is asking Tarik to defend him when people are saying and accusing him of being XYZ, since Tarik knows him well in person.
He is dodging the queue out of respect for his wife, not because he is sexist, misogynist, etc. THIS IS WHAT TARIK DOES NOT DEFEND.
Tarik disagrees with him dodging these games. Now... does Tarik disagree with it because he thinks Jason is being sexist (which isn't the reason why Jason is dodging),
Would Tarik change his view if he knew Jason was doing it out of respect for his wife? Or does it not matter to Tarik and he disagrees with it in general?
They are arguing about 2 different things. Jason is asking Tarik to defend his personality and to take a stand for him, Tarik thinks Jason is telling him to defend his gaming preference, in which Jason is doing it out of respect for his wife and no other reason. Tarik disagrees with it, regardless of his reason. If everyone listens carefully and not jump to conclusions, you'd understand that they're not on the same page, like Jason was saying. Tarik isn't even taking the time to listen, because Tarik's immediate reaction is Fight or Flight and to defend his image before anything without pausing to think. You guys don't f***ing listen.
JasonR: “I don’t want you to defend me”
Also JasonR: “I’m mad you didn’t defend me”
But for real though, as a woman, I appreciate this conversation being had and Tarik standing his ground... this makes such big strides in this community, as I have to deal with this jason r type behavior in every 3 matches no cap
I'm done with the years upon years of toxicity and sexism in multiplayer games being normalized. This shitty, apathetic view of 'oh it happens, ignore and move on' is never going to change anything. We can, and should, make efforts to improve our communities. Watching stuff like this makes me so happy. :)
I honestly never heard about this BS before I started playing Valorant. I guess that because in LoL there is no voice chat. Now I understand why many players with clearly femenine names avoid talking as much as possible. As a man, it honestly pisses me off, because these idiots are the reason why men who play videogames are seeing as sexist pigs by default (and can you blame people who say that, if it happens so often?).
@@JackDespero and this is why my gamertag is completely different on almost everything i play than my social media usernames cuz its really "feminine" and id instantly be targeted.
I can just imagine Tarik posting this argument on TH-cam, and then in the middle of the video he says “ What’s up dude, just giving a quick reminder if you haven’t click that subscribe button smash that shit right now”
45 minutes of Jason R putting earplugs in his ears and yelling at Tarik for doing and saying nothing wrong.
I honestly wanted all the random internet people attacking Jason to be wrong, and figured he was just doing cringe weird shit bit for content or something. This could still be fake for all I know. But wow. Character witnesses don’t work by the way. Never have. Never will. It’s just a stake to die on for blind loyalty.
super interesting to see the ebb and flow of the argument between the two, and how taric is able to better verbalise his point of view by the end of the video. jason sticks to the same conversational topics that he feels comfortable in defending himself with, but by the end of the video taric poked more holes in it than what jasonr can cover up. the lower the blows, the more jason realizes hes struggling to make a proper argument. by the end he seems more dead set on winning the argument in front of taric’s audience vs making actual progress towards finding common ground. mega respect to taric for standing up for himself in this
16:08
“I feel like I’m talking to someone who has legitimately never had a friend in real life”
If Jason was Tarik’s friend he wouldnt say that kinda shit to Tarik. when he said that he lost me in the “character witness” bullshit. Jason was getting frustrated because he wants tarik to clear him but it’s not Tarik’s place to jump in front of the drama. It’s his personal thing to deal with. and then Jason tries to get a dig in on tarik with that comment. That’s fuckin gaslighting, implying if Tarik doesn’t back up Jason’s character, it means he never had irl friends “cause that’s what a real friend would do”. Jason called on the biggest streamer in Val to clear his name and help him, but when Tarik didn’t agree with his behavior jason turned around and called him an L friend over it. It’s really immature. Jason has the rationalization skills of a teenager. Actually Brain dead.
pro gamers dont really socialize like normal working people or in public.. so its not surprising his mindset is stuck at teen
Well, what can we expect from someone who only plays Valorant. FPS games in general. They should take this to Healthygamergg the title would be "Am I a sexist / msygonistic whatever"
the algorithm is gonna hit hard on this one
LMAO bro right place and time AHAHA
31:46
Jason’s silence here is damning. It’s an easy fix and the solution is to play with everyone when you queue, girls included. It’s not Tarik’s job to be Jason’s character witness. His own actions indicate his character. and he can’t answer tariks simple question, and jason comes back with “…..we are getting off topic…” ?? Lol no?? This is the question we’ve all been asking this entire time, Tarik just said what we are all thinking. And jason pivoted away by trying to say that’s off topic when it’s the literal topic. What the actual L
Exactly he seems to not understand that Tarik providing proof of Jason’s character is defending him yet keeps saying he doesnt need Tarik to defend him. Like u understand, its not tariks job to defend smt he believes is completely wrong, yet JasonR wants him to defend him just cuz they hungout irl. Hanging out irl doesn’t mean they know each others full characters and secret. It’s like u never know if the nicest person u ever met is secretly a psycho killer.
With a 30 second clip around this moment would be enough to understand the whole situation: Jason is a sexist player who dodges women just because they are women ( thus the definition of sexism, no matter how he tries to spin it), and he tries to guilt trip his friend into defending his BS, but then gets mad when his friend suggest that he stops being sexist so that people stop calling him that.
The other 40+ minutes are just Jason trying to guilt trip Tarik over and over and Tarik showing that he has a spine.
Meanwhile Zellsis:
Eats popcorn while being in the middle of everything
He was caster bro... We need awarded zellsis with best caster from this amazing match
And now he is chilling in ranked
then poki arrives at the end and say she'll jumpscare jasonr LMAOO
Zellsis mute the mic, smoke a big joint and tears out of laugh xD
jasonr trying to gaslight tarik holy i can’t imagine what arguments between him and his wife are like
jasonr be like “i have a wife therefore i can’t be sexist” lmfaoo
LITERALLY "I can't be racist, I have black friends!" xD
most of sexist ppl have a wife
My man has the emotional intelligence of a high schooler. Tarik on the other hand is a W for the way he handled this.
Jasonr is just gaslighting tarik lol
He’s gaslighting everyone lol
*trying to gaslight tarik*
“I don’t want you to defend me but DEFEND ME”
"you decided to be a fuckin' girl about it" -jasonr 20:21
exactly what i was thinking. completely proves what everyone is saying - his chain of thought is insanely childish and wrong, and after 20 minutes talking about this he pulls out "you decided to be a fuckin' girl about it"... wrong af
i cant believe i just sat through this but jason blew my mind every time he opened his mouth as to what an L friend he truly is. tarik was way nicer than jason deserved and it really shows from how he sat through basically the same conversation over and over for 45 minutes
Zellsis is the most calm, part toxic, neutral guy I have ever seen in a conversation. Big W for that
Zellsis got the front row seat😂
Tldr: jason wants tarik to back up his character while also condemning his choices to dodge queues with women. Tarik doesn't want to defend him at all because it can be seen as a form of support/making excuses. Regardless of how many times jason says he doesnt want tarik to defend him, he does. He just wants a character defense instead of an action defense. My take: its not tariks responsibility to say anything about this and saying he is an L friend is just bozo behavior.
Agreed, though I think Tarik's fear is kinda unfounded. Seems relatively easy to say "I don't condone xyz nor deny that xyz happened, but surprised that my friend would do xyz since he's generally a good guy."
@@ghostmourner Great point! I think that if Tarik had publicly said that he doesn't condone what JasonR is saying but vouched for him in the slightest saying that everything that is being thrown or said to him is not all true instead of being completely neutral, then I think JasonR wouldnt have had an issue. I also think that their definition of friends are different from the 2, with JasonR saying that if the same situation had happened to Tarik, he would have backed him up even if he doesn't necessarily condone it kinda like a "ride or die" type of friendship, whereas Tarik cares more about "not wanting to be associated with that behavior" rather than being there for him. Both sides make valid point.
@@skycrazy1027 Tarik is thinking about his career as a whole. It’s not as though he’s saying that JasonL is a bad guy and he is also not obligated to defend him if he feels it would also affect him negatively and drag him into these issues. JasonR seems to expect Tarik and others to defend him even if they hadnt said anything negative about him. He seems to feel that there’s a deep connection where they should both be defending each other. JasonL shouldn’t have made this behavior in the first place and needs to stop saying “It’s not about you defending me” then saying something along the lines of give proof that im a good person. IMO I think JasonR just needs to not have the behavior in the first place and needs to understand that Tarik announcing he’s a witness of good character is a form of defending JasonL lol
@@donovanchong8246 Thats why I said Tarik makes a valid point, he has more to lose in the situation if he did stand with Jason. But I also think that you could still be a friend to someone even if you don’t condone that person’s behavior. I myself have had situation where a friend has done something that I don’t condone and I held them accountable for it whilst still being their friend. I think that tarik saying that he doesnt wanna be associated with him anymore because of those certain behavior is what Jason was upset about, but at the same time you can’t really blame tarik either because his reputation is on the line.
@@donovanchong8246 I also don’t think that he is defending him by just saying that people are going overboard on him with all the death threats hes been getting. Not wanting to be associated with your friend anymore is one thing but staying neutral in a situation where your supposed friend is getting shit on for things that might not be true is a different thing. At the same time tho I dont think theyre that close, so Idk why JasonR expected tarik to be a ride or die friend
Yes I have no life. I figured since I have nothing better to do atm I might as well break this "discussion" down and by "discussion" I mean some manchild crying for 40 minutes. If it seems like I'm biased, I probably am; Jason has had a similar scandal during his CS:GO days, the evidence is plentiful and damning both then and now.
Every word, stance, opinion, perspective, etc that came out of JasonR's mouth was actually disgusting.
1. The way he speaks is crude. His tone is condescending. Inserting fuck/fucken/fucking in between fucken every three fucking words is fucking excessive. I don't understand how he expects anyone to take him seriously when he talks like this nor do I see how taking an aggressive stance/approach to the matter is going to get people, much less Tarik who he seems to desperately want on his side on the matter, to understand where he is coming from.
2. Some quotes I gathered because I felt like they were relevant and some because I'm petty.
•"I feel like I'm talking to somebody who has legitimately never had a friend in real life, like on god." (16:06) The way he's able to say something like this and think that it's an okay or fair statement to make is mind-boggling? crazy? Especially after saying "you know us in real life." Yeah... some friend you are... ???
•"... you chose to be a fucking, fucking girl about it..." (20:18) ??? if you're being "painted" as a misogynist and sexist... maybe don't say things like that???
•"I, I know you haven't talked shit about me dude..." (24:06) Earlier Jason claimed that there are clips of Tarik talking shit about him yet when Tarik asks for the clips, Jason doubles down by saying Tarik has talked shit but doesn't provide such clips; exhibit A of a pro-gaslighter- say some bullshit, realize during the conversation that your accusation is wrong then casually/sneakily correct yourself.
•"Tarik, Tarik, I-wou-euh- hear me out, we get it, we get it Tarik, you keep telling your chat this, you can keep telling everyone... say it again for the whole fucking crowd." (24:53) First, don't lump us in with you Jason... shit is gross... Second, you don't get it. Third, who do you think you are to take this condescending attitude when you clearly lack common sense and spew bullshit takes??? My bad I get it, you're unimaginably, unfathomably ignorant.
•"No. Like I aha tss dude wha- it's like this shits, you're- am I like- I feel like I'm talking to a fucking robot like you're not even a fucking like yuh- ju-" (25:49) You can't be making fun of how people talk when you talk like this... at least Tarik is coherent...
•"...it's just about being a fucking friend..." (26:11) The way he uses the word friend is naive. Just because you're friends doesn't mean that the world stops spinning; actions and words still have consequences whether you acknowledge them or not. Fundamentally there is a difference between a character witness and "backing someone up" but the words that come out of a character witness' mouth will ultimately defend or defame the relevant individual.
•"... i fucking love this shit" (31:08) This might be inaccurate as his mic/words were muddled but this is along the lines of what he said. This was said in response to Tarik assuming that Jason doesn't want this kind of drama/hate or depiction of Jason's character. mmm ok. Another example of Jason not taking the situation seriously at all.
•"you apologized" (33:35) One of the most JasonR character-defining moments, absolutely disgusting. This pathetic sack of shit tries to take the stance of "you apologized so you're admitting that you're wrong." The lack of self-awareness, social skills, and empathy required is astronomical.
3. The way he tried to pilot the situation was ridiculously manipulative. He claims it's not about sides but then whines about Tarik taking a "neutral side." He claims it's not about sides but wants Tarik to ignore the drama and be a "character witness" that says something along the lines of "Jason and his wife are great people; they are not misogynistic." But Jason refuses to acknowledge that if Tarik were to take that kind of stance, people would connect the two and assume that Tarik is taking Jason's side a.k.a condoning that behavior. By refusing to acknowledge that simple logic not only does he gaslight Tarik to the point of mental exhaustion and frustration but he uses that stance as a crutch to make the claim "Tarik is scared of ruining his numbers." The only reason he wanted Tarik to be his "character witness" is because of those numbers, not this bullshit facade of "friends." I put "friends" in quotations because according to Jason they're not friends. It's pathetic that Jason would stoop that low to bash Tarik. "Because what you're doing makes it look like you are ag-, you are 100% against me on all fronts." (24:18) Jason's logic states that "if you do not defend me nor talk shit about me, you are against me." how does this reasoning make any sense? How can he go and accuse Tarik of being an "L friend" for being "neutral" while preaching that kind of logic? Another example of Jason gaslighting Tarik starts around 31:25. A little earlier Jason tries to claim that he has many clips of himself playing with women in response to his past actions but then later tries to claim that he said that in regards to "fixing the situation." Starting from around 39:40 Jason tries to accuse Tarik of going wildly off-topic and tries to remind Tarik that the topic is "why you are an L friend." With all of your expectations Jason, did you expect Tarik to be like "yeah, no you're right 100%. I am an L friend, have a good day." Are you stupid? Of course, any person in that situation will want to give their perspective as to why they are not an "L friend" especially if it's a friend that they c a r e about is calling them an "L friend."
4. The way he expects Tarik to defend him is actually laughable. Jason has a history regarding this exact issue yet he still decided to approach it half-assed; he didn't defend himself, made jokes out of the situation, refused to take the matter seriously, called anyone and everyone that said anything about him crazy and stupid- it's so confusing. You would think one would pause for a moment and reflect. Sure if you saw a hundred people jump off the Empire State Building you would think that's crazy but naturally, I may be completely wrong here but this is how I feel, stop and think for a moment as to why.
5. The way he tries to avoid the whole "racist analogy" comparison is hilarious. It's so funny to me because it's a literal flip representation of Jason's situation; there is nothing wrong with the analogy; misogyny and racism are both social issues and are often brought up together. Granted they are two completely different topics but they both encompass the same issue: prejudice. Jason just doesn't feel comfortable about it because he realized at that moment, that his entire argument against his haters and against Tarik is bullshit. Something he didn't realize however is that it also shows the people that he does not take misogyny as seriously he does racism.
6. The way he hates that Tarik is giving him advice as a friend is also hilarious. What? Jason are you too good for it? The conversation didn't go the way you wanted it to? Are you being self-conscious and afraid of how it makes you look taking advice from another man?!?! Why take that moment to start worrying about your image. It's absolutely, positively pathetic. He then doubles back when Tarik says something along the lines of "Oh so you're mad at me for giving advice as a friend" and says "no, no give advice." Make up your mind...
Maybe I'm a snowflake or a sensitive wuss or a weirdo with shit takes, maybe I'm all of them or maybe JasonR really is an insensitive, lying, manipulative, misogynistic, sexist, gaslighting, incoherent, sorry excuse of a friend. Who knows. My analysis was extremely rushed so it's messy and I probably, most definitely missed some things but who cares. Thank you for coming to my TedTalk.
For those of you who are curious, this took me just over an hour and ten minutes. It would've been much faster had Jason spoken like a reasonable human being. And again, before anyone says anything, even though I can already see the future so I know reiterating this is futile, remember, that I have acknowledged, that I, have, no, life. (treat each comma like a pause, it was for emphasis). Hope yall have a good rest of your day :)
damn
put this in my background while writing an essay and I have to say, both sides didnt explain their perspectives very well, just kept repeating the same stuff over and over but heres what i got out of it for anyone wanting a summary. Beforehand i would like to say that i have never followed jasonr nor tarik, i just know them from the csgo tournaments i used to watch, everything im about to say is what i gathered from this vod and this vod only.
Jasonr side:
Jasonr is a very emotional person. He doesnt want tarik to defend him dodging women, he doesnt want tarik to take his side on the matter per say, he just wants tarik to make a statement saying "what jasonr did was fucked up, but he isnt a sexist and he doesnt deserve death threats". He is annoyed at tarik and calling him an "L friend" because despite tarik repeatedly saying he knows it is a private matter and hinting that he doesnt believe jasonr is a sexist, he never outright says it. Jasonr probably thinks this is because tarik doesnt wanna get involved in controversy, which to a certain extent is probably true no matter how much he denies it. I know tarik keeps saying that his image isnt important, and to give him the benefit of doubt, it probably wasnt a primary factor, but it definitely did contribute. Jasonr doesnt think what tarik did was wrong, and i agree. Tarik did everything perfectly right, from an influencer's point of view. What jasonr is saying here is that tarik has failed as a friend since he only considered things from a logical perspective. from around 22:40 tarik says "i didnt put that much thought into it", and notice how jasonr says he knows and even sounds sad, because in jasonr's mind, a true friend would have thought that far. So to be fair, from an emotional person's pov, such as jasonr, tarik was indeed a "bad friend"
Tarik's side:
Tarik is a very logical person, everything he does goes by what is right or wrong. He argues that he couldnt take Jasonr's side due to the fact that what he did was in fact wrong, which he isnt wrong in saying so. No matter how much Jasonr denies it, he dodged women and lied about it, he even admitted that in this video, it is a said fact. Tarik isnt wrong in not wanting to defend jasonr. He also believed that by not making fun of jasonr's situation, he did what he should as a friend. Tarik feels like jasonr calling him a bad friend is unreasonable since he didnt do anything that would negatively impact jasonr, which is true, he didnt. Tarik argues that he didnt even want to make any statement so as to not have any misunderstandings about his position, and he is right to do so since anything he says can be and will be taken out of context by those shitty clip channels for free views. Tarik also has to consider that he is a HUGE influencer and i mean HUGE. Even someone like me who doesnt follow him knows about his popularity, anyone in the gaming industry probably knows him, so anything he says is very influencial. He doesnt want to accidentally lead his fans, alot of whom are probably young, down the wrong path. he wants to make sure he educates his audience properly on the right thing to do, which he did very well. From a logical standpoint, tarik did everything almost perfectly, thus he doesnt believe that he is a "bad friend".
now my take on this:
if we are talking about the jasonr controversy here, i believe tarik is in the right. He didnt accept jasonr's actions nor did he constantly meme it for views like some other streamers did. Tarik handled it very professional and logically. However, that is exactly the problem here. Tarik handled it too professionally. In the mind of a logic based person like tarik, theres nothing wrong with it. If jasonr was of the same mindset, he would totally be fine with this. However, jasonr seems to be much more emotional than tarik. He feels betrayed exactly because tarik handled this situation from a professional standpoint, not as a friend. What jasonr said wasnt wrong either, a true friend wouldve definitely tried to help abit, even if he didnt take the side. Jasonr expecting tarik, a supposed long time friend, to make a statement saying "jasonr dont deserve this" isnt expecting too much, in fact if i was in jasonrs shoes i would expect that too. The fact that even that much wasnt given probably made jasonr very disappointed. He constantly mentioned how people like trainwreck and subroza defended him, and he probably brought this up because he had known tarik longer than he had known them(this is just my guess), and he is stating that they did that yet his longer known friend couldnt. Jasonr isnt angry at tarik, jasonr isnt saying what tarik did was wrong since he knows deep down that he fucked up. The main point of this discussion is why jasonr called tarik an "L friend", and to that i believe I would lean towards jasonr. I tried to put myself into both pov's and i just feel like i get what jasonr is trying to say. I tried to imagine my close friends saying " i didnt put that much thought into this because it doesnt involve me to that degree" (22:40) and that just made me sad. I think thats just what it came down to though, a difference in perspective.
Overall, i think tarik did the right move as an influencer, but he did fail as a friend here. Friends are meant to give advice , thats right. friends are meant to keep each other in check, that is also right. However, what tarik did here wasnt any of those. He in a way cut jasonr off. Honestly, i dont know how the controversy went down, and i cldnt care to research about it, but if we are ONLY looking at the perspective of friendship here, i feel that tarik destroyed their entire friendship with this incident. He handled everything too matter of fact, offering no emotional support for a "friend" who is going through some shit. In the end, i feel like tarik and jasonr's relationship cant be called " true friendship", its more of like long term acquaintances who are comfortable around each other. Neither side are wrong here, if you look at different povs then you would feel differently.
Also on a side note, i feel like most people will take tariks side here and there is a very big reason why, its not because tarik is more popular, its because tarik led the conversation here. Jasonr kept trying to say stuff but tarik is evidently controlling the direction of the argument most of the time, which brings people to see his pov more. Jasonr made a remark that he feels like he is talking to a robot when talking to tarik, and that is probably because tarik is just repeatedly bringing him back to the same point and jasonr isnt getting through. Jasonr wants tarik to understand his emotion, but tarik keeps stiring the conversation to logic, bringing up analogys and stuff.
and yes i somehow found it in my heart to write a full essay about this. what can i say, i enjoy overanalysing and writing essays. Also it might be due to the fact that topics surrounding human relations interest me
Thanks for writing this. I actually totally agree.
Tarik is being a good friend for just shutting his mouth when he doesn't even support JasonR behavior
+ JasonR is actually dumb
His main argument is literally, " _You met me and my gf. I have a gf you know I'm not sexist! How can I be sexist if I have a gf!?_ " Despite ignoring the obvious clips of pure sexism. This isn't even his FIRST time in the spotlight for sexist behavior. He had a scandal few years back where him and his GF were banning girls in his stream if they had a girly name.
Jason is legit just repeating the same thing over and over again and trying to make an argument from one thing that Tarik is shutting down every time
27:04 "I'm separating those two (his actions and his character)" I would understand this if the actions were mistakes or accidents but, you can't really separate someone's character from their actions especially if its repeatedly lmfao clown shit 🤡 It's like saying "oh yea look my friend has killed so much people but since i've known him so long he's not a murderer or a serial killer" 🤡
From watching the first 13 minutes: I feel like Jason is trying to say he doesn't dodge women in Valorant games because he is sexist, and wants Tarik to reference how Jason interacted normally(?) with Tarik's GF or other women IRL. It's frustrating because Tarik is insistent Jason is asking to support the dodging, but he is really asking Tarik to tell people Jason isn't a sexist and the dodging is unrelated to hating women. Though it's difficult to understand how it isn't sexist, I feel like it would be easier for him if he could explain why he dodges women. It's a shame because I used to support JR but I don't know if I can anymore.
I agree this is JasonR’s view vs Tarik’s view. This makes the most sense
It’s kind of annoying how JasonR says he doesn’t need Tarik to defend his character, but needs him to provide proof that he is a witness of JasonR’s good character which is a form of defending JasonR. When Tarik said he can just not dodge women, JasonR just goes super silent like he won’t do that even if it wouldve just helped is character from the beginning. Tarik needs to think of career here cuz if he gets dragged in it, he could lose viewers/subscribers and lose money overall. Its crazy how JasonR doesnt think that providing proof of good character irl is a form of defense. Like Tarik says, just cuz he knows and hungout with him irl, doesn’t mean they know each others character fully and this support would destroy his career as well. Ik u already know this as well but im just going on a rant bout JasonR going in stupid circles and not understanding Tarik’s situation
Also, people in games can be completely different that people in real life. I have had friends with whom I would never play a match of LoL or Valorant, because as much as they seem normal outside the game, they are so fucking toxic inside it.
You can simultaneously not treat your wife as a second class citizen and be a sexist pig in game. Those two things are not mutually exclusive.
@@JackDespero hell yea dude. Ik my cousin and his friends are cool irl but they can get hella toxic and tilted in game. I just wonder why and i get wanted to rank up but its not like we’re getting paid for it like these streamers are. Anyway last part was off topic, but just like u said, u can act one way in one situation but be shitty in another. Its just like how u never know if the friendliest person yk is actually a murderer with 15 charges
I commented this already, but i have the feeling JR cheated or something where he is trying to earn back the trust of his wife. I truly dont think hes sexist, so it must be something else that hes trying to keep from getting out. I think tarik may know as well, bc hes practically begging tarik to understand and help him out.
JasonR gives off "I can't be racist, I have black friends" energy.
Except it’s “I can’t be sexist or misogynist, I have a wife.”
If I hate black people I'm racist, so why would I have black friends then?
Honestly it’s up to JasonR to backup his own name, he shouldn’t rely on Tarik to do so because then that would hurt his reputation. I enjoy both of them and they just need to hash it out privately. Hopefully we can get past this because it’s honestly such a stupid situation to argue about.
An L friend is exactly what jasonR wants ie a friend that just f ing backs you up even though he's clearly in the wrong. A W friend tells you when you're wrong and helps you admit and move on together as friends. Thats how a true friend is. Thats what Tarik is. Proud of Tarik. He truly is a W friend.
Tarik is jason’s friend
He doesn’t have to wipe his ass every time jason takes shit in his diaper like a baby sitting mother
Jason is just a big baby
20:20 "You chose to be a fucking girl about it" He could've said so many other things to help his argument and then says this...
18:32 "we gotta end this eventually, we're just going circles"
No dude, you're just going circles
jason showing off an absolute masterclass in gaslighting, i don’t understand the thought process behind calling out tarik when he’s not involved in the situation at all LOL
I wrote in jasonr's stream last monday " bro win this for the women and asians "
guess what..
I got banned. lol
14:27
"this is a rhetorical question"
no it isnt
Narrator: "it was not a rhetorical question."
i don’t think he understands what a rhetorical question is
Zellsis looking like the son of arguing parents lol
jason doesn’t realize that if tarik said that he hung out with jason and his wife, that would make it sound like tarik is trying to defend him. tarik doesn’t say that because he doesn’t agree with what jason is doing and therefore doesn’t want to defend him but somehow jason is either to dumb or stubborn to realize that
Jason: I don't play with woman because i respect my relationship.
Also him: I've played with many woman before.
Jason: I don't want you to back me up.
Also him: I just want you to say i'm not a misogynist.
Seriously, this guy is just proving that he is a manipulative, arrogant, liar. Not to mention the many times Jason said Tarik is weird, friendless, robotic and unable to understand things. Jason is just showing more and more why he should be punched in the face and not proving he isn't misogynist, wtf.
“Everyone else’s girl” bruh Jason, they’re literally people outside of the men they’re attached to wtf. The misogyny is in the little things, people.
So true. 20:20 saying he’s acting like a “girl”
I can just imagine zellsis just listening and laughing on stream
go on his twitter there's some clips of him reacting to it funny af
9:10 notice how Jason had no comeback for Tarik saying there’s full evidence. But he won’t admit it
jason just want his friends to stand by his sexist behavior against girls in ranked, that makes no sense bruh, behave, don't act like that and you wouldn't be in that predicament.
I think by the end JasonR realizes he’s in the wrong but his pride won’t let him admit he’s wrong in front of everyone. Reminds me of how I used to act when arguing with my parents when I was clearly in the wrong
I feel like if Jason just came out that he dodges women in respect for his relationship and didn't lie about dodging, this situation wouldn't be as deep lmao
Then why does he play with girls in unrated?
@@JrKdM Its a toxic relationship, but how would that make him sexist? He is dumb enough to marry the girl, but he is just doing what is demanded from his wife?
@@felixsiswanto8561 The actions are certainly demonstrably sexist, but yes the motivations aren't as clearcut. Either way, his actions were deplorable and he should've just come clean about it. Instead he tried to bullshit his way out by saying his PC crashed.
How can he possibly expect Tarik to defend him when he hasn't even made any effort to defend himself? His literal official response that's still up on his channel is now confirmed to be a boldfaced lie. Man's a clown.
@@gracecalis5421 fr. This situation shouldn't be as deep but mf just keeps digging himself deeper lol
@@felixsiswanto8561 it's unreasonable it shouldn't just be accepted his wife is WEIRD for caring
listening to this while studying>> listening to songs while studying
JASONR is not making sense. If my friend was in prison for shoplifting and there is solid cctv evidence, why the fuck would I tell everyone he is not a thief (even if I have never seen him steal anything before).
tarik talking to a brick wall, you hate to see it.
and jasonR doing a whole hour of gaslighting, insanity.
JasonR is the literal definition of gas lighting in this vod, holy
"You're being a fucking girl about it" That literally sums up the whole fucking situation 😂
Kinda pissed Tarik didn't say anything about that
@@NathanRFMuir I mean respect on him for keeping it calm, not trying to attack him but stay defending his side. It shows a lot more maturity rather than just attacking him when he is still a "friend"
bro zellsis there for the impressions
JasonR being an L friend for real... trying to force Tarik to defend him is just weird. Tarik can't defend him when there is literally proof of vods everywhere of him dodging and disconnecting... JasonR personality when meeting Tarik has nothing to do with what JasonR does in his stream cause he kept using that excuse for Tarik to support him. JasonR is the one being an L friend.
Jason literally called Tarik "a girl" 20:20 when defending himself for being called a sexist. irony
LMAO is that Zellsis guy also there listening? Witnessing all of this first hand
Hes just eating popcorn on tje left lol
he really thinks hes not sexist cuz he has a girlfriend lmaooooo, she sounds just as sexist as him acting like he cant play with women
Jason's character really shines here
it's hard watching these 2 players argue especially as a CS player who used to watch them before valorant even came out.
i think tarik is 100% in the right here. Love jason but he dug his own hole and there's nothing that tarik can do for him.
jason is cursing like he just learned to curse LMAO
TLDW
Jason want's Tarik to defend his character, not his actions.
Tarik says I don't agree with your actions, so I wont defend your character.
I honestly doubt that Jason dodging girls stems from sexism. It almost certainly stems from trust issues in his relationship.
doesnt change any facts of his actions
You're right...Tarik is saying "I don't agree with your actions, so i won't defend your character....
So does Tarik know that Jason is doing it out of respect for his wife? And not because of what everyone is accusing him of?
Or does Tarik know and still disagrees with it in general? This is what Jason meant when they were talking about 2 different things and weren't on the same page.
zellsis was really just chilling while all dis shit was happening lmaoo
V1 Zellsis must be having the time of his life.
"I don't want you to defend me, but I don't understand why you don't defend me."-jasonr
Jason is literally insane at this point....
jason sounds like a kid when who just learnt the f word when he gets mad
Lets just be real here, JasonR probably isn't sexist nor does he likely hate women. He needs to be straight up though that he was unintentionally exhibiting slightly sexist behavior and then excusing it saying it was to respect his wife and their relationship so that there would be no false talk of them supposedly being more than people playing the same game. This happened with ninja years ago and in his position, that argument made more sense since it was involving him reaching out to women and playing with them. In Jason's situation, he almost obviously dodges women because he thinks more often than not, they're not very good. Just admit that you have/had a skewed perception of girls and gaming and that you being the overly competetive player that you are wanted no disadvantage you thought you could control, you say that and then say you understand how that came off as sexist and apologize, oh and apologize for it because whether you want to win or not, and whether most or half or all girls are bad, you probably wouldn't appreciate it if it were you being dodged because "men are not good at this at all" then being memed for it. Grow up brother, you can make a mistake and then try to rectify it, don't lose your career and status over an ego, holy.
I was looking for this thought in words, I totally agree! I watched ludwigs mogul mail video on this situation though, seems like he also bans women from this chat and other stuff, so seems like he truly is actually sexist. I have no idea what his reasoning for all that is then. It seems like he only sees his weird stance as absolute and near the end of the video he even says he doesn't want advice just backup...
grab the popcorn rn and watch the drama
He should've just being honest from the first time instead of making excuses
he’s coming up with the reasons in the fly that’s kinda why he’s just now stating them
44:13 “invite me so I can jump scare jasonr” ~ pokimane
Lmfaoo
I'm now a fan on pokimane after that whisper at the end to tarik lmfao
how giving someone advice to better themselves but still considered a "L" friend is mind-blowing
JasonR says something
Tarik: so this is what you're saying?
JasonR: DUDE THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING AT ALL
?_?
Well yes, but no
20:21 ‘You decided to be a girl about it’. He says in an argument trying to defend/claim that he is not sexist or misogynistic. Ok dude.
I think that what JasonR's trying to say is that, even though Tarik knows that JasonR's real personality is not what he displays on stream(dodging girls on queue) , he(Tarik) does not tell others that what JasonR's real personality is, and i think that what JasonR's trying to say
It doesn’t matter. People can hang out for forever and not show certain sides of their personality. Just because the few times that Tarik has hung out with Jason he wasn’t sexist, it doesn’t mean that he can defend him not being a sexist when there is evidence that Jason is potentially sexist when it comes to women in the game.
His point is stupid. You can know people and be friends with them and never know they're scumbags when you're not around. There's evidence Jason is a sexist, Tarik doesn't agree with it so he doesn't defend it. JasonR is just a straight moron.
but thats not the point.
tarik does not want to queue with jason because of the premise that comes in doing so. if he queues with jason then it would seem like he supports jasons actions, which he does not. jason’s personality on stream or irl has no point in this matter. the fact of the matter is that jason has done sexist actions. doesn’t mean that he himself is sexist, but rather what he did were sexist actions and he needs to own up to that and make a formal statement. but now jason is bashing on tarik for not telling the world that jason is not sexist, as if it is tariks obligation as a friend when there is evidence of jason dodging girls on queue. tarik did the best thing imo. he said his stance, didnt diss his friend, and then banned the topic from chat so as to stop or lessen any hate on jason.
@@crim9089 yeah but imagine your Jasonr in this situation, you firmly believe your not a sexist, and thousands of people are memeing you online, you don’t know what else to tell them, anything you say at this point that isn’t what they want to hear will hurt you. So you look around and see fps streamer of the year Tarik, a friend you have gamed with for seven years, who has met both you and your wife in person multiple times, and knows your not the person there trying to make you out to be, but, when you turn and look at him he doesn’t back you up, he slightly memes on you too and stays neutral, I know if that was me it would at the very least feel like a betrayal, so I can get why Jasonr feels this way in this situation, one of the few people with the influence and position who can actually clear his name, and knows that he isn’t like this won’t say anything, that’s got to hurt at least a bit
@@crim9089 however, the evidence is pretty obvious that Jasonr dodges girls in valorant, even in this video he tells Tarik to not be such a girl about it… the evidence is overwhelming I don’t blame Tarik for not saying anything.
If he’s not like that, then why does he do it, wife must be insecure as fuck
the dude just can say "yeah im like that, so what?" and move on
There it is. And no one is saying anything about him, even if he was playing with a woman. Like if he was randomly cute with a female, he doesn't need to dodge, and he has the ability not to choose to party with a female.
Jason and his wife are genuinely just taking an L in the scenario. It's apparent that they're insecure about their relationship and have horrible core values for each other.
And Tarik sums it up; there's no beating around the bush. Jason Dodges Qs with women because he doesn't want his wife or the community to think poorly of his relationships. However, that is not valid because why would you be dodging something against someone's sexual orientation that's sexist.
Just be normal, respectful, and play the game no matter what their sexual orientation is.
Tariks analogy works perfectly
Which one
@@alfredobarcenas2218 i shouldve said analogies but they work.
@@yojelli9612 yeah they do, thought I could fall asleep with this in the back ground but Jasonr had me perplexed
@@yojelli9612 homie was like “ we weren’t talking about race” like bruh
@@alfredobarcenas2218 right? Like he literally doesn't understand what analogies are for
the fact also that jasonr is talking down to tarik while he is wanting his support is crazy to me. have a friend that does the same thing. hurts mentally
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@@magicvalorant8456 w tarik fr
@@maadb7754 Warik
I can see Thor and Hulk. "You bad friend, no you bad friend"
Shoutout to Zellsis and his hair